“Mladić may try to deny everything”

Professor Radoslav Stojanović says he is afraid that Ratko Mladić will deny everything that has exonerated Serbia of responsibility for the 1995 genocide.

B92

There is nothing for Mladic to be exonerated from.His actions were concentrated in defending his homeland unlike all those pseudo humanists and moralists that support their respective homelands which are engaged in real genocides against other countries in pursuit of profits and power.The link below is a good summary of sources stipulating the reasons for Mladic's arrest and certain conviction:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25086

He will, ill or not, most certainly deny the revisioned propaganda version of the victors of the western onslaught, NATO. To question that is equal to be a "holocaust denier" in some parts of the world.

Especially when it comes to Srebrenica (where ultimately 2000 where found dead, not 8000 or 50,000). Even if the western propaganda machine has put the lid on for both the propaganda figures and events as described by NATO some truth will undoubtedly find it´s way trough the media filter. Let´s hope General Mladic will find the strength and live to tell the truth, before he´s "suicided" or worse in the NATO Guantanamo camp of Europe.

I'm afraid that he will now say the opposite, that he had talked to Milošević before deciding,” Stojanović pointed out.

Of course everything was coordinated via Belgrade. So, I hope he will tell the truth, that supply of arms and men were coming from Belgrade with blessing of Serb orthodox church.

Of course he will delay the trial, and deny everything, and claim not to be responsible for anything, and deny that the massacre of Srebrenica has happened at all, and so on. What else do you expect from a person who was hiding for years? Since he will deny everything, it's unlikely he will blame Milosevic for ordering the mass killings, because, in his sick mind and parallel world, they didn't happen at all.

N Z, you can live up to 200 years old, you'll never see President Bush at The Hague! Even though we all know that terribles crimes were perpetrated by American soldiers from day 1 until now. Abu Grhaib is only the peak of the iceberg.

The poor innocent Serbs former Yugoslavia could of split peacefully equitably like the Czechoslovaks and many others. But no the Serbia thought it could dictate the terms at the point of guns it stoled from all the other Republics or anything else they could steal from their unarmed neighbours. ICTY is a farce in so many ways it let Serbia keep its war time involvement records secret because it was guilty like sin. It would of shown how Serbia was involved instigator progenitor in bloody murder destruction and the cause of wars at its own behest to its armpits. It would of definitely bankrupted Serbia in so many ways not just morally and financially. But good news Croatia is taking Serbia to international court it has thousands of hours of bugged conversations of criminal planing intent that showed it self in reality on the ground of its deranged criminal political and military simpletons from 1990 to 1999.

Assuming the trial is fair (which is unlikely) he should get a sentance not dissimilar to Naser Oric or William Calley. There wont be enough evidence to prove that Mladic directly targeted civilians in Sarajevo (because the Muslim forces were firing back at him), meaning it would be near impossible to prove its an atrocity. Regarding Srebrenica, as tragic as the event was, the Genocide charge is likely to fail; due to the fact that it lacked Genocidal intent, nor was it preplanned by the political powers, as a massacre, they would need to prove that Mladic gave a direct order to slaughter civilians, none of which exists, afterall, the only video of the event features a Paramilitary under the command of the RSK, not the VRS. On deportation; i doubt they'll get anywhere as he clearly stated; "Those who want to leave, can leave" meaning they werent forced. With that in mind, assuming he lives to the end of the trial (which; considering his health and the lengthy indictment is not set in stone); Mladic should be found guilty of only the charge of failing to prevent a massacre, which results in sentances of 1-5 years. Then we can put some real war criminals such as Bush on trial (who knowingly and with complete disregard for international law waged aggressive war against Iraq, and condoned the use of torture).

of corse he will - he is a coward.

he was amrmed whan he was arrested. if you carry an arm presumably you carry it becaouse you want and you are ready to use it not because you want to keep a cold steel on your bones as air con. he had not even a courage to do even to take it off.

Mladic has already shifted responsibility, not only to Milosevic, but to "those who voted for him."

Serbia was not found guilty of genocide in previous trials because under a deal with the prosecution (Karla Del Ponte), documents that would negatively affect Serbia's reputation would not be presented in evidence - a deal to get any evidence at all. (A member of the prosecutor's office was tried for breaking Hague rules for simply making the deal public.) As a defendant, Mladic will presumably not be bound by this agreement and will be able to ask Serbia to hand over whatever he thinks will help his case.

The pages in his wartime diaries relating to the period surrounding the Srebrenica massacre were missing when the documents were discovered - he may have destroyed them, or stored them separately, to be used as bargaining chips in case he ever did end up before the judges in the Hague. Or they may have been destroyed after being found, of course.

In any case, he isn't showing any signs of going quietly.

Of course everything was coordinated via Belgrade. So, I hope he will tell the truth, that supply of arms and men were coming from Belgrade with blessing of Serb orthodox church.
(Agim Kelmendi, 5 June 2011 13:29)

All of this is very well known, it is incredible to still read all of the denials, the justifications (we had to save the serbs! bush is guilty too! bla bla bla.)

altho to be precise, let us remember that there was cooperation between milosevic and tudjman in the genocidal attempted break-up of bosnia. and also shared responsibility with the concentration camps set up throughout bosnia -- 100s, w/ omarska only the most notorious. there were similar camps set up by the rebel croats as well, and they were pretty damned horrible. we met a survivor of the one at the heliodrome by Mostar, and conditions there were also miserable! so yes, it was all planned in belgrade and sadly with the support of most the their church and elites, but there was outside help and cooperation. thus izetbegovic's comment about stuck btwn leukemia and a brain tumor.

and there were concentration camps also set up inside serbia. i don't know if any good studies have been done on all of the camps, but it would make for good, if depressing! research.

i want to touch on the issue of the Missing again, since it is always present here. so many of the missing fr bosnia have yet to be found -- over 400 mass graves of varying sizes uncovered, all (to my knowledge) inside "RS", not coincidentally, and discovered/exhumed with no help from serbian or "RS" authorities, thank you very much. over 400, and still 1,000s missing. this is a real and terrible dilemma for those families, whatever their ethnicity, who gives a damn!

our frnd ewa (Dr. Klonowski)is right now helping to ID the remains of victims found at Koricanske stijene, presumably more bosnian victims from prijedor. genocide really is the gift that keeps on giving... the bodies were exhumed in 2009.

these exhumations and identifications have been going on since 1995! altho the procedures have been gradually refined; at the beginning things were absolutely primitive, how bodies were stored... any normal person could just go crazy from such work, but eva and her colleagues have such steely determination not to mention expertise. and yet they are able to show great tenderness and sensitivity in dealing with victims' family members. for me, this is truly god's work.

with Kosova, this whole process has been completely stalled. the marty SMEAR report has been pushed, and promoted, and displayed, ad nauseum, conjured up by the gang of 4: moscow, blgd, dick marty, carla. i never got the slightest sense that these parties (or their many boosters) gave a damn about the missing. their main and overriding concern -- to smear Kosova, its leadership, to somehow tie in "organ trafficking" allegations, to relativize all war crimes, and most of all, to strengthen belgrade's bargaining position in the "negotiations." this is also sonia's position (i am paraphrasing), and I completely agree.

BUT, what remains when the dust all settles is the Missing. according to our best #s (from HLC/Red Cross), over 1,000 ethnic albanians, appr 500 serbs, and appr 200 members of other ethnicities remain missing, unaccounted for. but they're all just human beings, of course, beyond the labels we attach. i cannot say that every single one of them was killed during or immediately after the war -- these are estimates. but even if they're ballpark figures, that's a lot of people, and their remains had to go somewhere.

the first place we think of, esp in the balkans, is mass graves, primary, secondary, tertiary. in the 90s that was serbia's main mode. so for non-serb victims, mass graves are our default suspicion.

Sadly, we now suspect that most of the 1,000 (plus) ethnic albanian remains will never be found, because they were burned at such high temperatures, even traces of dna were destroyed. that doesn't mean you stop searching for additional mass graves -- we have to demand that belgrade come clean with what they know. but it is to the elaborate cover-up(s) of the industrialized burnings that attention needs to shift. as those cover-ups unravel, the truth will begin to emerge into the open. but ONLY with the pressure from outside, exactly in the same vein as the ongoing demands to arrest and extradite mladic. force the blgd regime to finally come clean.

and there must be investigations in kosova as well. this is why while we've called the marty report by its real name (SMEAR report) we agree with an appropriate investigation about the missing. not by russia and that wack-job del ponte, but by normal and trusted men and women. whether that is eulex or not is another question -- i personally do not hold a great deal of faith in them, in general.

just remember -- we have to keep demanding the truth. never let them silence you, intimidate you with stupid personal attacks, ethnic slurs, etc. the truth is stronger than all of their hate and lies, and we shall, in the end, prevail. justice shall prevail.

thank you. tung. roberto frisco

I would like to propose an experiment to you Zoran :) (smiley face). When you write sentences with Serbia as the subject followed by verbs that usually are actions of people, like "Serbia decides". Or when you put adjectives related to people together with Serbia, like "servile state". That is basically wrong and you do this often. Serbia cannot decide, Serbia is an abstract concept that has a lot of things inside(trees, hills, buildings, history, people, sheep, etc etc etc), it cannot "decide" because it is not a person. It is people who decide, government, parliament, for everybody else. Associating human characteristics to objects or abstract concepts is called "fetish". Having fetishes is not usually healthy because it does not correspond to reality. So, my experiment and friendly advice for you Zoran is to put the people in your sentences :). Your writing will be much more precise and powerful. For example, you should put the sell-outs in Belgrade in your sentence about the servile state, it is they who will be servile, not Serbia. They are not Serbia. Mladic is not Serbia either. If you really want to put Serbia in your sentences, at least define previously what do you mean by "Serbia" because it is very confusing.

because, in his sick mind and parallel world, they didn't happen at all.
(Top, 5 June 2011 14:25)
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Lots of things didn't happen that you believe happened. That's the result of being a CNN and BBC junkie. Check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xox7TR11evI

Now that's something you won't see on BBC and CNN.

Regarding Srebrenica, as tragic as the event was, the Genocide charge is likely to fail; due to the fact that it lacked Genocidal intent, nor was it preplanned by the political powers, as a massacre, they would need to prove that Mladic gave a direct order to slaughter civilians, none of which exists, afterall, the only video of the event features a Paramilitary under the command of the RSK, not the VRS.
(New Zealander, 5 June 2011 13:02)
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He has already been made guilty. This isn't a court of justice, it is the NATO court so normal logic does not apply. Oric was released so the excuse for Srebrenica can be hidden. If people knew what he had done to the villages around Srebrenica while being protected by the UN "Safe area" then some would justify that as revenge against soldiers, and not a massacre against men and boys.

The point here (as the Guardian was jumping the gun when bganon posted that link) is to show command responsibility leading to Milosevic and therefore Serbia. So this then links the state to genocide (the new definition of it). In this way the machine can control a Serbia that decides to function within its system. Some would call this a "normal" state but it is really a servile state.

Mladic denys everything, and quite rightly so. There is no guilt in his face because he knows he did nothing wrong, he is proud of his excellent military expertise and so he should be, he saved so many Serbian people which otherwise would have been slaughtered.

We know that Muslims do not agree with the payment of Interest, and the Bosnia Muslims want Serbia to be held Responsible, because they want to Compensation Money under false pretences.

This is because they want Serbia to Default on all of its Loans, because they consider the payment of Interest to be Un-Islamic.

At the same time they might try to blackmail the Serb Republic not to hold a Referendum on the Office of the High Representative, or Colonial Governor.

The Historian Srdja Trifkovic, a primary source in this instance, wrote that Mladic went to Military Schools and was groomed in the Titoist Tradition of trans-national Yugoslavism.

The Historian said that Mladic rediscovered his Serb Heritage in late middle age, when he was set in charge of the crumbling Yugoslav Army units in Dalmatia, and then in Bosnia.

I wonder if Tito groomed this man who never met his father, and we know that the childhood years are the formative years, and that Tito was a Traitor to the Serbian People.

We know that some Politicians in Bosnia and Herzegovina may want Serbia to Default on all Loans, because it will help the Balkans Regions.

I think what people are trying to tell you, Zoran, is that you don't get to define what "Serbia" is and what "Serbia" wants.

their hate and lies, and we shall, in the end, prevail. justice shall prevail.

thank you. tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 5 June 2011 18:18)

You the one who spreads the hate. Keep your past with Dragana separately. I did not hold the candle to both of you but unless that was an arranged deal - I can fully understand her motives for divorce.

http://www.lahontanvalleynews.com/article/20061010/COMMUNITY/110100020

I mean the divorce announcement #14.

If that's the root cause of your anti-Serbian/anti-Russian paranoia, make it clear and it has nothing to do with Mladic or any other crap you write all over the internet.

You know about skunks, visibility and other things. Now you may tell that Dragana was who did hide Mladic.

Serbs out in force, yet again, to justify and deny massacres. What else is new? With this attitude, you have a long way before your country becomes anything resembling normality.
Mladic will never dare admit the obvious: that it was Serbia itself who armed, lead and directed Croatian Serbs and Bosnian Serb to kill.He known his family will suffer terribly if he did so.
Serbia's involvement in Bosnia and Croatia is the least kept secrete. There is a reason the world negotiated with Milosevic to end both wars.

The BS that Serbia was not involved only sells in Serbia, nowhere else.
As Mladic, your hero, said " You all are responsible. You elected Milosevic, not me".

Now that's something you won't see on BBC and CNN.
(Zoran, 5 June 2011 16:20)

Right. Those things you can find on emperor's clothes website are usually not published on serious and renowned media :-)

So, my experiment and friendly advice for you Zoran is to put the people in your sentences :).
(KU, 5 June 2011 17:47)
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Well thanks for your advice KU. So I should use people in my sentences? People like this farmer and his opinion of the DS? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps6rxrrYpL4

I'm afraid that he will now say the opposite, that he had talked to Milošević before deciding,” Stojanović pointed out.

Of course everything was coordinated via Belgrade. So, I hope he will tell the truth, that supply of arms and men were coming from Belgrade with blessing of Serb orthodox church.
(Agim Kelmendi, 5 June 2011 13:29)

Thats not true, Milosevic boycotted both the Krajina and Bosnian Serbs from 1994 onwards, he was also furious when he heard about Srebrenica.
Why do you still post your BS to this site? the best way to acheive reconciliation is truth, and yet you continue to use 90s rhetoric.

Right. Those things you can find on emperor's clothes website are usually not published on serious and renowned media :-)
(Top, 6 June 2011 09:42)
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You mean like the truth? I was hoping you'd attempt to disprove that video but instead you keep your head in the sand. The lie was clearly exposed. Do you like being in denial?

I mean the divorce announcement #14.

If that's the root cause of your anti-Serbian/anti-Russian paranoia, make it clear and it has nothing to do with Mladic or any other crap you write all over the internet.

You know about skunks, visibility and other things. Now you may tell that Dragana was who did hide Mladic.
(Ataman, 5 June 2011 23:06)

Brilliant! That's a bit of proper investigative journalism to add to B92's roll of honour, and they didn't even do it. Finally, some explanation as to why a bloke in California should be more poisonous and hate-filled about Balkan politics than the Balkan folks (and sign off all his emails "tung", haha). He's getting back at the ex-wife! How brilliantly, transcendentally pathetic is that? (hope Dragana got the house, Bobby)

Ataman - I salute you!

Tung! :-)

You know about skunks, visibility and other things. Now you may tell that Dragana was who did hide Mladic.
(Ataman, 5 June 2011 23:06)
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Nice discovery Ataman. It's a shame he has to use his personal matters to poison a whole nation. I suppose he must still love Dragana even after she left him otherwise he wouldn't be so bitter about Serbians. Time to move on roberto and time to make peace.

I suppose he must still love Dragana even after she left him otherwise he wouldn't be so bitter about Serbians. Time to move on roberto and time to make peace.
(Zoran, 6 June 2011 15:51)

Zoran,

Don't overlook that it happened in a Nevada county where marriages and divorces are done like 1-2-3, without extra bureaucratic hassle. Frequently, pre-arranged marriages of convenience and divorces of convenience. I am thinking - how much a "Green Card" can be worth?

So it could be more (or less) behind what you see. In particular if someone makes all efforts to be visible in the LGBT community... what a marriage is worth than?

Who cares if Mladic denies or doesnt deny anything. He's just another war criminal thug thats going to rot behind bars and die behind bars. Thats justice served. Now its time to capture the rest of the roaches, lock them up and throw away the keys. This is also definitly great news for Kosova. Now, Mladic cant be an excuse for not being able to join the EU. Kosovo is the last item on the list thats keeping Serbia away from Europe.... Just as the Serbs caved in and gave up their HERO, they will eventually cave in and give up Kosova. Kosovars have all the time in the world....they actually live there.

How brilliantly, transcendentally pathetic is that? (hope Dragana got the house, Bobby)

Ataman - I salute you!

Tung! :-)
(The Brit, 6 June 2011 11:51)

Yes it seems Dragana got the house.In most pictures I saw about Mr Rope he wears the same K-Mart style faded blue shirt .This indicates that the guy is not in the best financial situation now that hardworking wife does not bring the money home.

Roberto says: « ...still 1,000s missing.» And I don't think that they will ever be found for the simple reason that Milosevic had ordered: «Leave no trace». When the killers could, no trace were left but, im most of the cases, victims were burried in mass graves. Too many to erase all traces.

KU,
By making such a comment to Zoran you do nothing but try and make him look stupid for the sake of it, it seems you cant come up with a good enough counter argument ;)

I don't care any more.

Not worth the bother.

Bye bye on this matter - I have more interesting things to do.

High commissioned officers, generals should exercise special ethics.If they are military defeated, they never surrender, they should commit suicide as an act of dignity. Mladic used to repeat that he would rather commit suicide instead of surrendering to the Hague Tribunal. If he failed to do it under the pretext of being a Christian,he must know that Christians are always ready to forgive ,they never kill others. When he said that he was born on the first fasting Monday( čisti ponedeljak), given that it is the beginning if Easter fasting,all Orthodox Christians know that Easter is a moveable feast,so the first Monday is moveable.

Is Professor Stojanovic a professor of law if the answer is yes were did you study law in Mars, Why in god's name would you want Mladic to plead anything else but not guilty any other plea if false does exonerate any thing a flase plea negates the dual and lawful process

@ NZ:

Unfortunately, the trial won't be fair - and the sentence is most likely going to be a life sentence.

First of all, because the accused has already been convicted by the ICTY in the Krstic Case, through the JCE mode of imputing criminal responsibility (officially, Joint Criminal Enterprise; officiously nicknamed in the international criminal law community, Just Convict Everyone).

For being found guilty under this new mode of criminal liability, you do not need to have committed or ordered any criminal act, nor to have the intention to do so; it is enough to be part of a 'group' of people with a common purpose (say, defend your own side in the war), that other members of same group (aka any soldier in the VRS or allied forces, or even SR or RS politicians) commit crimes, and that you could have imagined that it might eventually happen! I am not even exagerating - the case files and decisions are all on public display on the internet page of the ICTY (the key decision being the 1999 judgement in the Tadic Case)...

Now, Krstic was condemned of crimes against humanity, for the Srebrenica massacre, as part of a JCE - whose other members include Mladic. So, according to another judgement of the same kangaroo tribunal he is now facing, he has already been judged guilty. Let's figure how they will square that with the presumption of innocence, which a fundamental human right of all accused...

PS: I totally agree on Bush, but that won't happen any time soon, i'm afraid. And, incidentally, Oric was acquitted by the Appeals Chamber.

M-la-maudite

@ B92.

You have sunken to a low, only the BBC can be held responsible for, correct?

Professor Radoslav Stojanović says he is afraid that Ratko Mladić will deny everything that has exonerated Serbia of responsibility for the 1995 genocide.

B92

There is nothing for Mladic to be exonerated from.His actions were concentrated in defending his homeland unlike all those pseudo humanists and moralists that support their respective homelands which are engaged in real genocides against other countries in pursuit of profits and power.The link below is a good summary of sources stipulating the reasons for Mladic's arrest and certain conviction:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25086

The poor innocent Serbs former Yugoslavia could of split peacefully equitably like the Czechoslovaks and many others. But no the Serbia thought it could dictate the terms at the point of guns it stoled from all the other Republics or anything else they could steal from their unarmed neighbours. ICTY is a farce in so many ways it let Serbia keep its war time involvement records secret because it was guilty like sin. It would of shown how Serbia was involved instigator progenitor in bloody murder destruction and the cause of wars at its own behest to its armpits. It would of definitely bankrupted Serbia in so many ways not just morally and financially. But good news Croatia is taking Serbia to international court it has thousands of hours of bugged conversations of criminal planing intent that showed it self in reality on the ground of its deranged criminal political and military simpletons from 1990 to 1999.

Of course everything was coordinated via Belgrade. So, I hope he will tell the truth, that supply of arms and men were coming from Belgrade with blessing of Serb orthodox church.
(Agim Kelmendi, 5 June 2011 13:29)

All of this is very well known, it is incredible to still read all of the denials, the justifications (we had to save the serbs! bush is guilty too! bla bla bla.)

altho to be precise, let us remember that there was cooperation between milosevic and tudjman in the genocidal attempted break-up of bosnia. and also shared responsibility with the concentration camps set up throughout bosnia -- 100s, w/ omarska only the most notorious. there were similar camps set up by the rebel croats as well, and they were pretty damned horrible. we met a survivor of the one at the heliodrome by Mostar, and conditions there were also miserable! so yes, it was all planned in belgrade and sadly with the support of most the their church and elites, but there was outside help and cooperation. thus izetbegovic's comment about stuck btwn leukemia and a brain tumor.

and there were concentration camps also set up inside serbia. i don't know if any good studies have been done on all of the camps, but it would make for good, if depressing! research.

i want to touch on the issue of the Missing again, since it is always present here. so many of the missing fr bosnia have yet to be found -- over 400 mass graves of varying sizes uncovered, all (to my knowledge) inside "RS", not coincidentally, and discovered/exhumed with no help from serbian or "RS" authorities, thank you very much. over 400, and still 1,000s missing. this is a real and terrible dilemma for those families, whatever their ethnicity, who gives a damn!

our frnd ewa (Dr. Klonowski)is right now helping to ID the remains of victims found at Koricanske stijene, presumably more bosnian victims from prijedor. genocide really is the gift that keeps on giving... the bodies were exhumed in 2009.

these exhumations and identifications have been going on since 1995! altho the procedures have been gradually refined; at the beginning things were absolutely primitive, how bodies were stored... any normal person could just go crazy from such work, but eva and her colleagues have such steely determination not to mention expertise. and yet they are able to show great tenderness and sensitivity in dealing with victims' family members. for me, this is truly god's work.

with Kosova, this whole process has been completely stalled. the marty SMEAR report has been pushed, and promoted, and displayed, ad nauseum, conjured up by the gang of 4: moscow, blgd, dick marty, carla. i never got the slightest sense that these parties (or their many boosters) gave a damn about the missing. their main and overriding concern -- to smear Kosova, its leadership, to somehow tie in "organ trafficking" allegations, to relativize all war crimes, and most of all, to strengthen belgrade's bargaining position in the "negotiations." this is also sonia's position (i am paraphrasing), and I completely agree.

BUT, what remains when the dust all settles is the Missing. according to our best #s (from HLC/Red Cross), over 1,000 ethnic albanians, appr 500 serbs, and appr 200 members of other ethnicities remain missing, unaccounted for. but they're all just human beings, of course, beyond the labels we attach. i cannot say that every single one of them was killed during or immediately after the war -- these are estimates. but even if they're ballpark figures, that's a lot of people, and their remains had to go somewhere.

the first place we think of, esp in the balkans, is mass graves, primary, secondary, tertiary. in the 90s that was serbia's main mode. so for non-serb victims, mass graves are our default suspicion.

Sadly, we now suspect that most of the 1,000 (plus) ethnic albanian remains will never be found, because they were burned at such high temperatures, even traces of dna were destroyed. that doesn't mean you stop searching for additional mass graves -- we have to demand that belgrade come clean with what they know. but it is to the elaborate cover-up(s) of the industrialized burnings that attention needs to shift. as those cover-ups unravel, the truth will begin to emerge into the open. but ONLY with the pressure from outside, exactly in the same vein as the ongoing demands to arrest and extradite mladic. force the blgd regime to finally come clean.

and there must be investigations in kosova as well. this is why while we've called the marty report by its real name (SMEAR report) we agree with an appropriate investigation about the missing. not by russia and that wack-job del ponte, but by normal and trusted men and women. whether that is eulex or not is another question -- i personally do not hold a great deal of faith in them, in general.

just remember -- we have to keep demanding the truth. never let them silence you, intimidate you with stupid personal attacks, ethnic slurs, etc. the truth is stronger than all of their hate and lies, and we shall, in the end, prevail. justice shall prevail.

thank you. tung. roberto frisco

I'm afraid that he will now say the opposite, that he had talked to Milošević before deciding,” Stojanović pointed out.

Of course everything was coordinated via Belgrade. So, I hope he will tell the truth, that supply of arms and men were coming from Belgrade with blessing of Serb orthodox church.

Regarding Srebrenica, as tragic as the event was, the Genocide charge is likely to fail; due to the fact that it lacked Genocidal intent, nor was it preplanned by the political powers, as a massacre, they would need to prove that Mladic gave a direct order to slaughter civilians, none of which exists, afterall, the only video of the event features a Paramilitary under the command of the RSK, not the VRS.
(New Zealander, 5 June 2011 13:02)
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He has already been made guilty. This isn't a court of justice, it is the NATO court so normal logic does not apply. Oric was released so the excuse for Srebrenica can be hidden. If people knew what he had done to the villages around Srebrenica while being protected by the UN "Safe area" then some would justify that as revenge against soldiers, and not a massacre against men and boys.

The point here (as the Guardian was jumping the gun when bganon posted that link) is to show command responsibility leading to Milosevic and therefore Serbia. So this then links the state to genocide (the new definition of it). In this way the machine can control a Serbia that decides to function within its system. Some would call this a "normal" state but it is really a servile state.

Mladic denys everything, and quite rightly so. There is no guilt in his face because he knows he did nothing wrong, he is proud of his excellent military expertise and so he should be, he saved so many Serbian people which otherwise would have been slaughtered.

Assuming the trial is fair (which is unlikely) he should get a sentance not dissimilar to Naser Oric or William Calley. There wont be enough evidence to prove that Mladic directly targeted civilians in Sarajevo (because the Muslim forces were firing back at him), meaning it would be near impossible to prove its an atrocity. Regarding Srebrenica, as tragic as the event was, the Genocide charge is likely to fail; due to the fact that it lacked Genocidal intent, nor was it preplanned by the political powers, as a massacre, they would need to prove that Mladic gave a direct order to slaughter civilians, none of which exists, afterall, the only video of the event features a Paramilitary under the command of the RSK, not the VRS. On deportation; i doubt they'll get anywhere as he clearly stated; "Those who want to leave, can leave" meaning they werent forced. With that in mind, assuming he lives to the end of the trial (which; considering his health and the lengthy indictment is not set in stone); Mladic should be found guilty of only the charge of failing to prevent a massacre, which results in sentances of 1-5 years. Then we can put some real war criminals such as Bush on trial (who knowingly and with complete disregard for international law waged aggressive war against Iraq, and condoned the use of torture).

We know that Muslims do not agree with the payment of Interest, and the Bosnia Muslims want Serbia to be held Responsible, because they want to Compensation Money under false pretences.

This is because they want Serbia to Default on all of its Loans, because they consider the payment of Interest to be Un-Islamic.

At the same time they might try to blackmail the Serb Republic not to hold a Referendum on the Office of the High Representative, or Colonial Governor.

The Historian Srdja Trifkovic, a primary source in this instance, wrote that Mladic went to Military Schools and was groomed in the Titoist Tradition of trans-national Yugoslavism.

The Historian said that Mladic rediscovered his Serb Heritage in late middle age, when he was set in charge of the crumbling Yugoslav Army units in Dalmatia, and then in Bosnia.

I wonder if Tito groomed this man who never met his father, and we know that the childhood years are the formative years, and that Tito was a Traitor to the Serbian People.

We know that some Politicians in Bosnia and Herzegovina may want Serbia to Default on all Loans, because it will help the Balkans Regions.

I would like to propose an experiment to you Zoran :) (smiley face). When you write sentences with Serbia as the subject followed by verbs that usually are actions of people, like "Serbia decides". Or when you put adjectives related to people together with Serbia, like "servile state". That is basically wrong and you do this often. Serbia cannot decide, Serbia is an abstract concept that has a lot of things inside(trees, hills, buildings, history, people, sheep, etc etc etc), it cannot "decide" because it is not a person. It is people who decide, government, parliament, for everybody else. Associating human characteristics to objects or abstract concepts is called "fetish". Having fetishes is not usually healthy because it does not correspond to reality. So, my experiment and friendly advice for you Zoran is to put the people in your sentences :). Your writing will be much more precise and powerful. For example, you should put the sell-outs in Belgrade in your sentence about the servile state, it is they who will be servile, not Serbia. They are not Serbia. Mladic is not Serbia either. If you really want to put Serbia in your sentences, at least define previously what do you mean by "Serbia" because it is very confusing.

Of course he will delay the trial, and deny everything, and claim not to be responsible for anything, and deny that the massacre of Srebrenica has happened at all, and so on. What else do you expect from a person who was hiding for years? Since he will deny everything, it's unlikely he will blame Milosevic for ordering the mass killings, because, in his sick mind and parallel world, they didn't happen at all.

of corse he will - he is a coward.

he was amrmed whan he was arrested. if you carry an arm presumably you carry it becaouse you want and you are ready to use it not because you want to keep a cold steel on your bones as air con. he had not even a courage to do even to take it off.

He will, ill or not, most certainly deny the revisioned propaganda version of the victors of the western onslaught, NATO. To question that is equal to be a "holocaust denier" in some parts of the world.

Especially when it comes to Srebrenica (where ultimately 2000 where found dead, not 8000 or 50,000). Even if the western propaganda machine has put the lid on for both the propaganda figures and events as described by NATO some truth will undoubtedly find it´s way trough the media filter. Let´s hope General Mladic will find the strength and live to tell the truth, before he´s "suicided" or worse in the NATO Guantanamo camp of Europe.

because, in his sick mind and parallel world, they didn't happen at all.
(Top, 5 June 2011 14:25)
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Lots of things didn't happen that you believe happened. That's the result of being a CNN and BBC junkie. Check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xox7TR11evI

Now that's something you won't see on BBC and CNN.

N Z, you can live up to 200 years old, you'll never see President Bush at The Hague! Even though we all know that terribles crimes were perpetrated by American soldiers from day 1 until now. Abu Grhaib is only the peak of the iceberg.

Mladic has already shifted responsibility, not only to Milosevic, but to "those who voted for him."

Serbia was not found guilty of genocide in previous trials because under a deal with the prosecution (Karla Del Ponte), documents that would negatively affect Serbia's reputation would not be presented in evidence - a deal to get any evidence at all. (A member of the prosecutor's office was tried for breaking Hague rules for simply making the deal public.) As a defendant, Mladic will presumably not be bound by this agreement and will be able to ask Serbia to hand over whatever he thinks will help his case.

The pages in his wartime diaries relating to the period surrounding the Srebrenica massacre were missing when the documents were discovered - he may have destroyed them, or stored them separately, to be used as bargaining chips in case he ever did end up before the judges in the Hague. Or they may have been destroyed after being found, of course.

In any case, he isn't showing any signs of going quietly.

Now that's something you won't see on BBC and CNN.
(Zoran, 5 June 2011 16:20)

Right. Those things you can find on emperor's clothes website are usually not published on serious and renowned media :-)

Right. Those things you can find on emperor's clothes website are usually not published on serious and renowned media :-)
(Top, 6 June 2011 09:42)
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You mean like the truth? I was hoping you'd attempt to disprove that video but instead you keep your head in the sand. The lie was clearly exposed. Do you like being in denial?

I mean the divorce announcement #14.

If that's the root cause of your anti-Serbian/anti-Russian paranoia, make it clear and it has nothing to do with Mladic or any other crap you write all over the internet.

You know about skunks, visibility and other things. Now you may tell that Dragana was who did hide Mladic.
(Ataman, 5 June 2011 23:06)

Brilliant! That's a bit of proper investigative journalism to add to B92's roll of honour, and they didn't even do it. Finally, some explanation as to why a bloke in California should be more poisonous and hate-filled about Balkan politics than the Balkan folks (and sign off all his emails "tung", haha). He's getting back at the ex-wife! How brilliantly, transcendentally pathetic is that? (hope Dragana got the house, Bobby)

Ataman - I salute you!

Tung! :-)

Roberto says: « ...still 1,000s missing.» And I don't think that they will ever be found for the simple reason that Milosevic had ordered: «Leave no trace». When the killers could, no trace were left but, im most of the cases, victims were burried in mass graves. Too many to erase all traces.

I suppose he must still love Dragana even after she left him otherwise he wouldn't be so bitter about Serbians. Time to move on roberto and time to make peace.
(Zoran, 6 June 2011 15:51)

Zoran,

Don't overlook that it happened in a Nevada county where marriages and divorces are done like 1-2-3, without extra bureaucratic hassle. Frequently, pre-arranged marriages of convenience and divorces of convenience. I am thinking - how much a "Green Card" can be worth?

So it could be more (or less) behind what you see. In particular if someone makes all efforts to be visible in the LGBT community... what a marriage is worth than?

I'm afraid that he will now say the opposite, that he had talked to Milošević before deciding,” Stojanović pointed out.

Of course everything was coordinated via Belgrade. So, I hope he will tell the truth, that supply of arms and men were coming from Belgrade with blessing of Serb orthodox church.
(Agim Kelmendi, 5 June 2011 13:29)

Thats not true, Milosevic boycotted both the Krajina and Bosnian Serbs from 1994 onwards, he was also furious when he heard about Srebrenica.
Why do you still post your BS to this site? the best way to acheive reconciliation is truth, and yet you continue to use 90s rhetoric.

I don't care any more.

Not worth the bother.

Bye bye on this matter - I have more interesting things to do.

How brilliantly, transcendentally pathetic is that? (hope Dragana got the house, Bobby)

Ataman - I salute you!

Tung! :-)
(The Brit, 6 June 2011 11:51)

Yes it seems Dragana got the house.In most pictures I saw about Mr Rope he wears the same K-Mart style faded blue shirt .This indicates that the guy is not in the best financial situation now that hardworking wife does not bring the money home.

I think what people are trying to tell you, Zoran, is that you don't get to define what "Serbia" is and what "Serbia" wants.

Serbs out in force, yet again, to justify and deny massacres. What else is new? With this attitude, you have a long way before your country becomes anything resembling normality.
Mladic will never dare admit the obvious: that it was Serbia itself who armed, lead and directed Croatian Serbs and Bosnian Serb to kill.He known his family will suffer terribly if he did so.
Serbia's involvement in Bosnia and Croatia is the least kept secrete. There is a reason the world negotiated with Milosevic to end both wars.

The BS that Serbia was not involved only sells in Serbia, nowhere else.
As Mladic, your hero, said " You all are responsible. You elected Milosevic, not me".

So, my experiment and friendly advice for you Zoran is to put the people in your sentences :).
(KU, 5 June 2011 17:47)
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Well thanks for your advice KU. So I should use people in my sentences? People like this farmer and his opinion of the DS? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps6rxrrYpL4

High commissioned officers, generals should exercise special ethics.If they are military defeated, they never surrender, they should commit suicide as an act of dignity. Mladic used to repeat that he would rather commit suicide instead of surrendering to the Hague Tribunal. If he failed to do it under the pretext of being a Christian,he must know that Christians are always ready to forgive ,they never kill others. When he said that he was born on the first fasting Monday( čisti ponedeljak), given that it is the beginning if Easter fasting,all Orthodox Christians know that Easter is a moveable feast,so the first Monday is moveable.

@ B92.

You have sunken to a low, only the BBC can be held responsible for, correct?

their hate and lies, and we shall, in the end, prevail. justice shall prevail.

thank you. tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 5 June 2011 18:18)

You the one who spreads the hate. Keep your past with Dragana separately. I did not hold the candle to both of you but unless that was an arranged deal - I can fully understand her motives for divorce.

http://www.lahontanvalleynews.com/article/20061010/COMMUNITY/110100020

I mean the divorce announcement #14.

If that's the root cause of your anti-Serbian/anti-Russian paranoia, make it clear and it has nothing to do with Mladic or any other crap you write all over the internet.

You know about skunks, visibility and other things. Now you may tell that Dragana was who did hide Mladic.

You know about skunks, visibility and other things. Now you may tell that Dragana was who did hide Mladic.
(Ataman, 5 June 2011 23:06)
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Nice discovery Ataman. It's a shame he has to use his personal matters to poison a whole nation. I suppose he must still love Dragana even after she left him otherwise he wouldn't be so bitter about Serbians. Time to move on roberto and time to make peace.

Is Professor Stojanovic a professor of law if the answer is yes were did you study law in Mars, Why in god's name would you want Mladic to plead anything else but not guilty any other plea if false does exonerate any thing a flase plea negates the dual and lawful process

@ NZ:

Unfortunately, the trial won't be fair - and the sentence is most likely going to be a life sentence.

First of all, because the accused has already been convicted by the ICTY in the Krstic Case, through the JCE mode of imputing criminal responsibility (officially, Joint Criminal Enterprise; officiously nicknamed in the international criminal law community, Just Convict Everyone).

For being found guilty under this new mode of criminal liability, you do not need to have committed or ordered any criminal act, nor to have the intention to do so; it is enough to be part of a 'group' of people with a common purpose (say, defend your own side in the war), that other members of same group (aka any soldier in the VRS or allied forces, or even SR or RS politicians) commit crimes, and that you could have imagined that it might eventually happen! I am not even exagerating - the case files and decisions are all on public display on the internet page of the ICTY (the key decision being the 1999 judgement in the Tadic Case)...

Now, Krstic was condemned of crimes against humanity, for the Srebrenica massacre, as part of a JCE - whose other members include Mladic. So, according to another judgement of the same kangaroo tribunal he is now facing, he has already been judged guilty. Let's figure how they will square that with the presumption of innocence, which a fundamental human right of all accused...

PS: I totally agree on Bush, but that won't happen any time soon, i'm afraid. And, incidentally, Oric was acquitted by the Appeals Chamber.

M-la-maudite

KU,
By making such a comment to Zoran you do nothing but try and make him look stupid for the sake of it, it seems you cant come up with a good enough counter argument ;)

Who cares if Mladic denies or doesnt deny anything. He's just another war criminal thug thats going to rot behind bars and die behind bars. Thats justice served. Now its time to capture the rest of the roaches, lock them up and throw away the keys. This is also definitly great news for Kosova. Now, Mladic cant be an excuse for not being able to join the EU. Kosovo is the last item on the list thats keeping Serbia away from Europe.... Just as the Serbs caved in and gave up their HERO, they will eventually cave in and give up Kosova. Kosovars have all the time in the world....they actually live there.