Serbian president on Kosovo, Mladić arrest

So Tadic thinks that Mladic is going to get a 'fair trial'? lol Tadic you simpleton you, you pathetic, lying, slavish, yellow traitor. Anyone with half a brain can see that these are political show trials, this is not a real court, this is a NATO court meant to blacken and weaken Serbia, and you are taking part in that process by sending your citizens to their death, and to humiliate your country as NATO has dictated to you.

He added that such serious accusations regarding Srebrenica meant that Mladić “has to be in the Hague Tribunal, to be treated with a fair process, but he has to give some answers”

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Accusations by who? The Western fascists that have been using the same propaganda technique for the last 20 years to destroy Serbia's identity and surrender its sovereignty.They are the same killers that cover their horrendous crimes under their interventionist slogan "crimes against humanity" while engaging in a killing spree from Yugoslavia to Afganistan.They are the lawmakers and the executioners.

But you shouldn't worry Boris.You are the favourite son of the EU now and part of the family.You have gained their respect.With the arrest of Mladic you stuck one more dagger into Serbia as an independent state.The accusations against Mladic have nothing to do with "crimes against humanity".It's everything to do with the Western geopolitical designs in the balkans.

What next?I think Nato membership will come before Serbia's recognition of the drugs cartel that rule kosovo.Eu membership will take some years,if it ever happens.

"He added that such serious accusations regarding Srebrenica meant that Mladić “has to be in the Hague Tribunal, to be treated with a fair process"


Mr Tadic, if you want general Mladic to be given a fair trail the Hague is not the place where he is going to receive that. The Hague is an anti Serb institution, aimed at justifying the theft of Kosovo and NATOs aggression against our country.
General Mladic will be convicted by EU hypocrites but general Mladic will never be forgotten for his bravery and contribution to the Serbian cause.

Agim, Kosovo is not Serbia's neighbour, it is occupied territory thanks to Tito, subsequently followed by the slow and painful terror inflicted on the Serbian population. Kosovo was a far better place economically when ruled by Belgrade, the idiots running Kosovo havn't got a clue how to run a country, probably because most of them are ex-criminals and terrorists. Thanks to this so called independent nation, it is now a centre for criminals, be it drug smuggling or human trafficking. Elections are not even fair there, they are a sham. For now Kosovo will be safe while their American babysitters watch over them, but as the USA does with other places, they will one day loose interest in Kosovo, and for once the K Albanians will have to fight for themselves.

-I love the above line. It just shows that Tadic is fully aware, that the main condition to join EU, is to recognize your neighbors.-

Agim Kelmendi

Fortunately Kosovo is not a neighbour, Kosovo is Serbia.

@Bob!
It is very easy for you to sit there and shout out your abuse at the 66% my dear Bob. Yes, take away 25% of this figure for the extremist boot boys who have no sense of legal direction and you are left with 41%! These are the rational people who have lived through the lies, the betrayals and the back room deals which have all served to undermine ANY ONE of the legitimate arguments of the Serbian people through the last 20 odd years.

Look at the facts dear Bob. The "facts" that we Serbs have had to live with for over 20 years. The "facts" that blind people like you, with no knowledge of the big picture have been educating us with every day.

An analogy for you Bob: Let someone come into your home (country) and repeatedly rape your mother (all you believe in and love) in front of your eyes, and then you tell me that you would have acted differently to many of the situations and I will call you a bloody liar!

“Those who try something like that will fail. But, at the same time, I don’t expect that Serbia can start a new conflict within the European Union


I love the above line. It just shows that Tadic is fully aware, that the main condition to join EU, is to recognize your neighbors.

Mike, all Serbs who are at The Hague had a fair trial.

Goran Jelisic, who killed so many young Bosniaks, at the Brcko Camp, up to 30 before breakfast, had a 40 years sentence.

Dragan Nikolic received a sentence of 23 years for his crime at the Susica Camp, sentence reduced 10 20 in 2005.

Former JNA officer Miroslav Radić, was set free by the Hague court in the Vukovar Three trial.

I really think that most of the Serbs who were sent or went freely to the ICTY received a fair trial and a fair sentence.

Serbia does not need the type of person represented by Mladic and never did. Serbia definitely deserves better than that.

It is abundantly obvious why Serbia does not have to be loyal to Mladic - or to his supporters. Their attitude of allowing and supporting illegal war-crimes has back-fired on them. The international community is sick of them and their policies. They will not be allowed to succeed however much they wallow in their own perverted view of the world.

If only 34% supported the arrest of a war criminal - there is something wrong with the 66% who didn't. No wonder the international community has not been very happy with Serbia.

However, the 34% are the ones who are right. And they are Serbs too.

Accusations by who? The Western fascists that have been using the same propaganda technique for the last 20 years to destroy Serbia's identity and surrender its sovereignty.They are the same killers that cover their horrendous crimes under their interventionist slogan "crimes against humanity" while engaging in a killing spree from Yugoslavia to Afganistan.They are the lawmakers and the executioners.
(Leonidas, 4 June 2011 13:21)

Shshsh Leo. Don't bite the hand that's been feeding you for decades. Without the west, Greece will starve to death. Who is going to work and pay for you then, Russia cuz you for sure are not? Without the West, you will be at Turkey's mercy and we all know how that will end. Everything you have, a state, an army, the good and easy life is a gift to you from the west. Yep, you think you got what you have selling feta cheese, or lemon and oranges? Think again Leo.

One question for you Captain Frisco, is that a picture of you and your albanian gay lover?

Tadic recognize Kosovo and get over it. Kosovo will never become Serbian even the ants knows that. Stop wasting time and energy on somthing out of your reach and look forward insteed. To get EU membership as you want you will have to have good neighbourly relations with Kosovo and all other neighbours so we know what that means. Even your people knows it but they live in denial as allways.


When it comes to Mladic Yes it was To late but better late than never. God the allmighty will judge him so he will get what he deserves. Every human being who belives that he is not guilty is sick. People in srbrenica dident die by them self that's for sure and Mladic army were there at the time.Hallo ??


Haag is not an court wich works against Serbia and only Serbia. It has no reason to because Serbia is not an enemy of the western powers. Serbia is no factor to anybody at all. The court in Haag is a court to sentece warcriminals from F.yugoslav countrys and serbia seem to have most warcriminals. From soldiars to generals to the main Pressidents.

Stop talking nonsens serbs and take responsibilty for your actions.

--“Those who try something like that will fail. But, at the same time, I don’t expect that Serbia can start a new conflict within the European Union." I love the above line. It just shows that Tadic is fully aware, that the main condition to join EU, is to recognize your neighbors.
(Agim Kelmendi, 4 June 2011 12:13)--

I'm really not interested in anything tadic says, but the above line sounds like a bit of a muted threat. "don't expect serbia can start a new conflict..." whereas the blgd regime is actually continuing to perpetuate the conflicts from the 90's, but (supposedly) without arms.

I found a very touching story about one of the survivors from mladic's "brave" strategy: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110604/ap_on_re_us/us_mladic_survivors__stories_bekric

his name is sead bekric, and he was blinded by serb artillery fire, as a teen. fortunately an american woman heard about his plight,and somehow brought him to this country. he's now living in florida, has 2 kids, and is engaged to be married. his is really an amazing and inspiring story. hopefully he -- and many other such survivors -- will be able to go to the hague and testify ag. the mass murderer.

of course it's too little, too late, way too late. but better late than never. the course of justice can be painfully slow indeed, which is why we must always be resolute, redouble our efforts, never give in to the distractions, the historical revisionists, the liars...

and speaking of justice, i am still waiting for an intelligent question/ comment related to the recent war crimes report, Burning Secrets from the Balkans: http://www.bosniaks.net/prilog.php?pid=41966

It's not so difficult to read online, but it is a bit lengthy, hard copy is 23 pages, incl 56 end notes. Basically the report is a kind of historiography of these war crimes, following a chronological path. that means from the first news story way back in may '99, up to the present.

the report is generally divided into 2 separate but related sections, sect 1 -- Trepca; sect 2 -- Mackatica. there is some crossover, in that as reports were surfacing, they sometimes covered one location, sometimes another. but the operations were obviously interrelated and probably involved additional sites in serbia like the Bor facility.

there are numerous sources noted but 2 of the most prominent are the award-winning american radioworks project (2001), which focuses mainly on the specifics of the trepca operation; and natasa kandic's groundbreaking report from late 2004 (on Mackatica), together with follow-up reports and several critical investigations. as a whole, the report mentions dozens of eye-witnesses to the events, as well as some direct participants. the details are VERY specific, which is why it's a report very much worth reading, and carefully.

The other side, of course, is the secondary cover-up, that is, the very intricate cover-up to the entire cover-up operation(s). and that is where you can start to unfold the whole sordid can of worms.

i cannot wait for the day that belgrade's war-crime prosecutor, faced with overwhelming evidence and outside pressure, once again declares: Serbia is ready to face up to its dark past... but he is going to need a nudge or 2 in that direction, that's for sure.

thanks, and thank you to all who have been steadfast in demanding the truth, in demanding justice over the ever-present lies and cover ups.

ciao! tung. roberto frisco

If Mladic is to have a decent trial, at least a decent Lawyers-team should be financed somehow. It hurts the eye just to look at the comic surrogate lawyer. How come a general, standing in the impressive tradition of Serbian generals, is now left without any help ? Not that he stands any chance of not being convicted, but at least a prominent lawyer could get the Serbian soul of the hook or bring the balance back in the description of the role of Yugoslavia in this civil war. Isn't there somewhere a decent US Miljonaire of Serbian descent, without any sympathy for Mladic deeds, who nevertheless wants to invest in a honorable defense in order to prevent murder on the Serbian heritage?
This competent lawyer might also be more convincing in talking Sebia into the Eu. Radiating respect, that some politicians fail to provide as they seem to lack any decency. Saying he is a Bosnian. It reminds me of the joke about the only diplomatic success of Austria: making the world believe that Hitler was a German.

Slobodan, you have to break from the vicious circle. It's been like this for centuries now. Mladic's father, I've heard, that he dad was killed by the Croats in 1943, when he was 2 years old, and, when he became an adult, his objective was to revenge. Now that Mladic has failed in his attempt, who is going to take the sword and continue the war of revenge? A son? a grand son? A great grand son?

Believe me, there is no future when your spirit is turned towwards vengeance and rvenge. Enough of this.

I wouldn't loose any sleep over your Turkish brothers.The wind has already started blowing from Syria to Dayarbakir.
(Leonidas, 4 June 2011 17:50)

It is always so funny to watch when turkish gypsies try to educate the greek.

Shshsh Leo. Don't bite the hand that's been feeding you for decades. Without the west, Greece will starve to death. Who is going to work and pay for you then, Russia cuz you for sure are not? Without the West, you will be at Turkey's mercy and we all know how that will end. Everything you have, a state, an army, the good and easy life is a gift to you from the west. Yep, you think you got what you have selling feta cheese, or lemon and oranges? Think again Leo.
(Denis, 4 June 2011 16:21)

Really? The West feeding us ? How? By spending $billions every year to buy their military hardware and keep their factories working?Why don't you have a look at the trade balances between Greece and Western countries.I know the next thing you're going to say is about the EU transfers which amounts to nothing if you take all factors into consideration.

Now don't you think that $340 billion GDP must account for a lot of oranges,lemons and feta ?If that was the case wouldn't you think all your compatriots would've stayed in Albania and started growing lemon and orange trees instead of staying in greece? I will give you a clue. What about having the biggest commercial shipping fleet in the world, 30% to be exact,that transports nearly 50% of all EU goods across the globe?What about the millions of tourists that spend their holidays every year in Greece?These are the two biggest earners for the Greek economy and not the products you describe in your jibe.

I wouldn't loose any sleep over your Turkish brothers.The wind has already started blowing from Syria to Dayarbakir.

@Slobodan Maric

The betrayals that hurt Serbia most were home-grown. The propaganda, sanctions, corruption, etc., were all caused by selfish politicians and mafiosi - Serbs stealing from Serbs as well as exploiting wars elsewhere.

If you think that the world is against you - think why. If you support war-criminals who murder innocents then you have to be stopped.

I don't know of any facts that would justify the 41% (or 66%) wanting to stop a war-criminal from facing trial - there is more than sufficient evidence available for it to be obvious to anyone that the Mladic accusations need to be processed by a court. I don't see anything wrong with the Hague either - the judges will do a professional legal job and convict on the evidence only if the evidence is presented.

By the way. I was talking quietly and not shouting - unlike you in your tirade. You have resentments (real or imaged) but those are not a good basis for running a country.

You talk of 'facts'. I think the idea of Serbian victimhood is a nonsense - Serbia does not need to wallow in that anymore. It was a propaganda tool built on an ancient Serbian view of history. It is not true, and its time is done.

If your mother was a victim, I am sorry. However, you state it is an analogy, so I assume that it did not actually happen. Are you really using that as a justification for murdering other innocents?

"Tadic you simpleton you, you pathetic, lying, slavish, yellow traitor. Anyone with half a brain can see that these are political show trials, this is not a real court, this is a NATO court meant to blacken and weaken Serbia, and you are taking part in that process by sending your citizens to their death, and to humiliate your country as NATO has dictated to you."
(Dragan, 4 June 2011 16:40)

Bla bla... someone watched too much Seslj and Milosevic propaganda and hate speech on RTS in his youth, it seems. Once you become civilized, you could be a worthy person in a discussion and others maybe would try to think about your arguments.

Serbia does not need the type of person represented by Mladic and never did. Serbia definitely deserves better than that.

It is abundantly obvious why Serbia does not have to be loyal to Mladic - or to his supporters. Their attitude of allowing and supporting illegal war-crimes has back-fired on them. The international community is sick of them and their policies. They will not be allowed to succeed however much they wallow in their own perverted view of the world.

If only 34% supported the arrest of a war criminal - there is something wrong with the 66% who didn't. No wonder the international community has not been very happy with Serbia.

However, the 34% are the ones who are right. And they are Serbs too.
(Bob, 4 June 2011 13:45)

Ok, lets say Winston Churchill was still alive. Go to Britain and have a poll asking how many would extradict him to the Hague on war crimes charges relating to the bombings of Dresden.

More BS from president of a BS country.

I wouldn't loose any sleep over your Turkish brothers.The wind has already started blowing from Syria to Dayarbakir.
(Leonidas, 4 June 2011 17:50)

You should thank westernen countries, including Uncle Sam, otherwise you will be speaking Turkish by now. Greek military is no match for Turks, and Greeks know it.

I read so many reports and comments in the last days referring to Tadic's recent statements. Never read such a huge frequency of negative reports regarding the current Serbian president. He actually "demands" to enter EU, not feeling ashamed a little bit that the extradition of the butcher of Srebrenica was not a bonus but a overdue duty. The EU better draws a line now against this kind of behavior.

Has anyone beside Tadic owned up for the wrong doing in the Balkan wars? A real Serb in my books, one that looks to the future for his people.

Bla bla... someone watched too much Seslj and Milosevic propaganda and hate speech on RTS in his youth, it seems.
(Top, 4 June 2011 20:28)
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And that coming from the BBC and CNN addict who watched a bit too much Madeline Albright and Jamie Shea.

@ Petar Spiridonovic
Maybe "Predrag" can represent him, since he is sure the General is a hero.

(Agim Kelmendi, 4 June 2011 12:13)--

thanks, and thank you to all who have been steadfast in demanding the truth, in demanding justice over the ever-present lies and cover ups.

ciao! tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 4 June 2011 18:14)
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LOL, the Serb hater writing to the sworn Serb enemy about truth and justice. What next? Secret files discovered of Hitler writing to Goebbels about world peace?

Anyway, on a much more serious note, Israeli soldiers have fired on Palestinian protesters in Golan. It looks like they've killed at least 12 protesters. This is a horrible crime that will most likely go unpunished.

it´s simply irrelevant about what others may convince Mr.Tadic. it doesn´t matter, since Serbia´s constitution is what counts.

Mr.Tadic can think a lot, and he has done much harm to Serbia, but there is nothing in regard to KiM he can do, what could not be annulled right away as soon as he is out of office.

but again, the article, if Tadic really used these words, implies that it is of relevance what Mr.Tadic is convinced of.

that is clearly not the case. he has to obey the constitution. he is the servant of the constitution, one could say.

so, it has absolutely no relevance, if some others, foreigners especially, would "convince" him about anything at all.

seems like either the media or himself made a mistake here. being more accurate is indicated here, no matter who made that mistake.

We heard how Her Majesty’s English Ambassador to Serbia, Sir Michael Davenport said that discussing the Partition of Kosovo with Albanians is not constructive.

It is not constructive for those who use the Divide and Rule Tactics to have Belgrade and Pristina dialogue go in any direction other than how they prefer it.

A few days after that Colonial Decree was issued by the England’s Ambassador to Serbia, the Albanians said that Partition was unacceptable, because it would distract attention away from the more important technical issues of concern for the People of Kosovo.

We all know that that All Countries, even the Albanians Voted Unanimously at the United Nations General Assembly that the lives of the People of all Races of People in Serbian and in Kosovo should be improved.

It is just not the best time to Discuss the Partition of Kosovo during the Trial of General Ratko Mladic, because of all the accusations of Ethnic Cleansing, even though the war was mainly between Ethnic Serbs.

This is because Partition has suggestions that Different Races want Racial Purity; whereas, the Truth of the Matter is that they just want a workable Compromise Solution.

We know that the Countries of the entire Balkans are Members of the International Criminal Court, and so the ICTY will not be needed in the future for the Territories of the former Yugoslavia.

We all know that there is at least 6% support among the Serbian Voters who would be in favour of holding a Referendum to seek support for the Redrawing of the Borders of Serbia.

The immediate implications are that a Political Party with that Policy will go over the 5% threshold needed to win Seats at the next Serbian Election.

This does not mean that there will be a Majority in Parliament to allow a Bill to hold a Referendum.

Even if there were that Majority in Parliament that would allow the holding of that Referendum, then this would not guarantee that the Referendum would be successful.

What it does show is if a Serbian Political Party were in favour of Redrawing the Borders of Serbia, then perhaps a small Kosovo Albanian Political Party could gain Seats at their next Elections.

Over time, these Political Parties could gain Majorities, but only after NATO have left Kosovo Completely and Permanently, and this will all take time, but this the best way to approach the situation anyway.

It does not matter that Serbia’s next Parliamentary Election is a year away, because the Serbian President Election is two years away.

This is further complicated by the time that is needed until the Kosovo’s next Parliamentary Election.

There are Serbian Politicians who think that if Kosovo becomes Independent, then the Albanians will be able to gain Territory of FYROM, but only if America leaves Kosovo Completely and Permanently.

It should be noted that the Americans understood this perfectly because most of us, and so there is no Secrets that you can keep from those who are more intelligent.

America knows that if Kosovo becomes Independent, then the Albanians will want some of FYROM if the Americans wish to remain invited to stay at Camp Bondsteel.

How fortunate for everyone that the United Nations General Assembly Voted Unanimously that the lives of the People of Serbia and Kosovo should be improved.

This will take Money, and so just keep the Money coming, It could also require that America investigates if Goran Hadzic is a secret Catholic who was working for Pope John Paul the Second and for the Croats to enlarge Croatia and the Holy Roman Empire in Europe.

I am in favour of Partition of 67% of Kosovo with Total Racial Segregation of Albanians and Non-Albanians, but as long as Camp Bondsteel stays with Serbia.

There are of course things that Kosovo Albanians can do in the next year until after the next Serbian Election, and the ICTY can retry some indictees to see if some of them are Innocent, or if some of them are Secret Catholics and Secret Muslim Janissaries who were working for America.

I think that it would be Good, Proper, and Acceptable if Albania were the First Country to Revoke their support for Kosovo Albanian Unilateral Declaration of Independence, and for the Kosovo Albanians to fully Reintegrate with Serbia.

A Scholar and a Historian said that any time is the Right Time to be Wise, and any time is the Right Time to do the Right Thing.

Sometimes most of you really makes me feel ashamed in front of my western friends, actually always.Shame on you!

There are obviously no room for Serbia in the EU...
(Top, 5 June 2011 07:14)

The feeling is mutual Top, and we are very glad that you and the Ceda Jovanovic crowd dislike us, it means we are saying all the right things. And I agree with you, Serbia should stay out of the EU.

Captain Frisco, that was the first posting from you without any anti-Serb hate speech and propoganda. Amazing. Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed or something?
Cheers!

Sometimes most of you really makes me feel ashamed in front of my western friends, actually always.Shame on you!

There are obviously no room for Serbia in the EU...

--One question for you Captain Frisco, is that a picture of you and your albanian gay lover?
(Dragan, 4 June 2011 19:45)--

Normaly i would never be responding to you Dragan, but you gave me a right good laugh so, why not?

He is a special frnd and long-term work partner, and we've co-authored a number of other articles. and i've met many of his frnds/colleagues and of course family members, with whom i feel quite close, though his parents speak limited english. my own albanian is sadly pitiful.

the story behind the picture is kind of funny -- probably no one can tell, but it was taken somewhere in "RS" enroute to belgrade, about 5 or 6 years ago. the photographer is a (Bosnian Serb) female law student, who like so many gals was quite smitten with him. and he speaks fluent serbo-croatian, as i once learned to call it. it seems that nationalist politics do not prevent inter-ethnic emotions and erotic trysts. au contraire... I am eternally grateful to her, it is one of my favorite fotos.

now dragan, i assume you'd hoped that I'd throw some kind of major fit or god knows what, but you really gave me a good laugh. have a good day!

tung. roberto frisco

ps My frnd is an independent political analyst in his own right.

Yet Another J.S. commented:

am in favour of Partition of 67% of Kosovo with Total Racial Segregation of Albanians and Non-Albanians, but as long as Camp Bondsteel stays with Serbia.

Ahem, J.S, Bondsteel belongs to the USA and is part of NATO, they bombed Serbia. How can they possibly be with Serbia?

The ethnic hate, crippled emotions, handicapped morals and biased beliefs presented here are very concrete factors helping anyone to understand why all what happened in the Balkans actually took place.

By all means not a single factor is an endemic one. We've seen all of them in operation elsewhere, too, not only in the Balkans. So the Balkan people should not be seen as some specific population, not in any way.

Similar factor is the denial of events. On any side of conflicts.

The wise (but not faultless) learn from their mistakes, the fools go on repeating them, and usually to their own harm. The very hated, often most hated, individuals among any ethnic group are those who ask their ethnic sisters and brothers to learn from done mistakes.

I see most of the rhetoric here in comments, "views" or "opinions", as example of writers' fear of losing their mind, even identity, in case they would want to learn. I don't say this to accuse, or to prosecute. I say this to remind about what is good for all of us, each and every man, woman and child.

Now we have Mladic in court. It will be great waist of human resources if we don't use this opportunity to study what really happened, and why it happened. Is this too much asked?

Serbia does not need the type of person represented by Mladic and never did. Serbia definitely deserves better than that.

It is abundantly obvious why Serbia does not have to be loyal to Mladic - or to his supporters. Their attitude of allowing and supporting illegal war-crimes has back-fired on them. The international community is sick of them and their policies. They will not be allowed to succeed however much they wallow in their own perverted view of the world.

If only 34% supported the arrest of a war criminal - there is something wrong with the 66% who didn't. No wonder the international community has not been very happy with Serbia.

However, the 34% are the ones who are right. And they are Serbs too.

“Those who try something like that will fail. But, at the same time, I don’t expect that Serbia can start a new conflict within the European Union


I love the above line. It just shows that Tadic is fully aware, that the main condition to join EU, is to recognize your neighbors.

--“Those who try something like that will fail. But, at the same time, I don’t expect that Serbia can start a new conflict within the European Union." I love the above line. It just shows that Tadic is fully aware, that the main condition to join EU, is to recognize your neighbors.
(Agim Kelmendi, 4 June 2011 12:13)--

I'm really not interested in anything tadic says, but the above line sounds like a bit of a muted threat. "don't expect serbia can start a new conflict..." whereas the blgd regime is actually continuing to perpetuate the conflicts from the 90's, but (supposedly) without arms.

I found a very touching story about one of the survivors from mladic's "brave" strategy: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110604/ap_on_re_us/us_mladic_survivors__stories_bekric

his name is sead bekric, and he was blinded by serb artillery fire, as a teen. fortunately an american woman heard about his plight,and somehow brought him to this country. he's now living in florida, has 2 kids, and is engaged to be married. his is really an amazing and inspiring story. hopefully he -- and many other such survivors -- will be able to go to the hague and testify ag. the mass murderer.

of course it's too little, too late, way too late. but better late than never. the course of justice can be painfully slow indeed, which is why we must always be resolute, redouble our efforts, never give in to the distractions, the historical revisionists, the liars...

and speaking of justice, i am still waiting for an intelligent question/ comment related to the recent war crimes report, Burning Secrets from the Balkans: http://www.bosniaks.net/prilog.php?pid=41966

It's not so difficult to read online, but it is a bit lengthy, hard copy is 23 pages, incl 56 end notes. Basically the report is a kind of historiography of these war crimes, following a chronological path. that means from the first news story way back in may '99, up to the present.

the report is generally divided into 2 separate but related sections, sect 1 -- Trepca; sect 2 -- Mackatica. there is some crossover, in that as reports were surfacing, they sometimes covered one location, sometimes another. but the operations were obviously interrelated and probably involved additional sites in serbia like the Bor facility.

there are numerous sources noted but 2 of the most prominent are the award-winning american radioworks project (2001), which focuses mainly on the specifics of the trepca operation; and natasa kandic's groundbreaking report from late 2004 (on Mackatica), together with follow-up reports and several critical investigations. as a whole, the report mentions dozens of eye-witnesses to the events, as well as some direct participants. the details are VERY specific, which is why it's a report very much worth reading, and carefully.

The other side, of course, is the secondary cover-up, that is, the very intricate cover-up to the entire cover-up operation(s). and that is where you can start to unfold the whole sordid can of worms.

i cannot wait for the day that belgrade's war-crime prosecutor, faced with overwhelming evidence and outside pressure, once again declares: Serbia is ready to face up to its dark past... but he is going to need a nudge or 2 in that direction, that's for sure.

thanks, and thank you to all who have been steadfast in demanding the truth, in demanding justice over the ever-present lies and cover ups.

ciao! tung. roberto frisco

Tadic recognize Kosovo and get over it. Kosovo will never become Serbian even the ants knows that. Stop wasting time and energy on somthing out of your reach and look forward insteed. To get EU membership as you want you will have to have good neighbourly relations with Kosovo and all other neighbours so we know what that means. Even your people knows it but they live in denial as allways.


When it comes to Mladic Yes it was To late but better late than never. God the allmighty will judge him so he will get what he deserves. Every human being who belives that he is not guilty is sick. People in srbrenica dident die by them self that's for sure and Mladic army were there at the time.Hallo ??


Haag is not an court wich works against Serbia and only Serbia. It has no reason to because Serbia is not an enemy of the western powers. Serbia is no factor to anybody at all. The court in Haag is a court to sentece warcriminals from F.yugoslav countrys and serbia seem to have most warcriminals. From soldiars to generals to the main Pressidents.

Stop talking nonsens serbs and take responsibilty for your actions.

Mike, all Serbs who are at The Hague had a fair trial.

Goran Jelisic, who killed so many young Bosniaks, at the Brcko Camp, up to 30 before breakfast, had a 40 years sentence.

Dragan Nikolic received a sentence of 23 years for his crime at the Susica Camp, sentence reduced 10 20 in 2005.

Former JNA officer Miroslav Radić, was set free by the Hague court in the Vukovar Three trial.

I really think that most of the Serbs who were sent or went freely to the ICTY received a fair trial and a fair sentence.

"He added that such serious accusations regarding Srebrenica meant that Mladić “has to be in the Hague Tribunal, to be treated with a fair process"


Mr Tadic, if you want general Mladic to be given a fair trail the Hague is not the place where he is going to receive that. The Hague is an anti Serb institution, aimed at justifying the theft of Kosovo and NATOs aggression against our country.
General Mladic will be convicted by EU hypocrites but general Mladic will never be forgotten for his bravery and contribution to the Serbian cause.

Shshsh Leo. Don't bite the hand that's been feeding you for decades. Without the west, Greece will starve to death. Who is going to work and pay for you then, Russia cuz you for sure are not? Without the West, you will be at Turkey's mercy and we all know how that will end. Everything you have, a state, an army, the good and easy life is a gift to you from the west. Yep, you think you got what you have selling feta cheese, or lemon and oranges? Think again Leo.
(Denis, 4 June 2011 16:21)

Really? The West feeding us ? How? By spending $billions every year to buy their military hardware and keep their factories working?Why don't you have a look at the trade balances between Greece and Western countries.I know the next thing you're going to say is about the EU transfers which amounts to nothing if you take all factors into consideration.

Now don't you think that $340 billion GDP must account for a lot of oranges,lemons and feta ?If that was the case wouldn't you think all your compatriots would've stayed in Albania and started growing lemon and orange trees instead of staying in greece? I will give you a clue. What about having the biggest commercial shipping fleet in the world, 30% to be exact,that transports nearly 50% of all EU goods across the globe?What about the millions of tourists that spend their holidays every year in Greece?These are the two biggest earners for the Greek economy and not the products you describe in your jibe.

I wouldn't loose any sleep over your Turkish brothers.The wind has already started blowing from Syria to Dayarbakir.

Accusations by who? The Western fascists that have been using the same propaganda technique for the last 20 years to destroy Serbia's identity and surrender its sovereignty.They are the same killers that cover their horrendous crimes under their interventionist slogan "crimes against humanity" while engaging in a killing spree from Yugoslavia to Afganistan.They are the lawmakers and the executioners.
(Leonidas, 4 June 2011 13:21)

Shshsh Leo. Don't bite the hand that's been feeding you for decades. Without the west, Greece will starve to death. Who is going to work and pay for you then, Russia cuz you for sure are not? Without the West, you will be at Turkey's mercy and we all know how that will end. Everything you have, a state, an army, the good and easy life is a gift to you from the west. Yep, you think you got what you have selling feta cheese, or lemon and oranges? Think again Leo.

@Slobodan Maric

The betrayals that hurt Serbia most were home-grown. The propaganda, sanctions, corruption, etc., were all caused by selfish politicians and mafiosi - Serbs stealing from Serbs as well as exploiting wars elsewhere.

If you think that the world is against you - think why. If you support war-criminals who murder innocents then you have to be stopped.

I don't know of any facts that would justify the 41% (or 66%) wanting to stop a war-criminal from facing trial - there is more than sufficient evidence available for it to be obvious to anyone that the Mladic accusations need to be processed by a court. I don't see anything wrong with the Hague either - the judges will do a professional legal job and convict on the evidence only if the evidence is presented.

By the way. I was talking quietly and not shouting - unlike you in your tirade. You have resentments (real or imaged) but those are not a good basis for running a country.

You talk of 'facts'. I think the idea of Serbian victimhood is a nonsense - Serbia does not need to wallow in that anymore. It was a propaganda tool built on an ancient Serbian view of history. It is not true, and its time is done.

If your mother was a victim, I am sorry. However, you state it is an analogy, so I assume that it did not actually happen. Are you really using that as a justification for murdering other innocents?

Agim, Kosovo is not Serbia's neighbour, it is occupied territory thanks to Tito, subsequently followed by the slow and painful terror inflicted on the Serbian population. Kosovo was a far better place economically when ruled by Belgrade, the idiots running Kosovo havn't got a clue how to run a country, probably because most of them are ex-criminals and terrorists. Thanks to this so called independent nation, it is now a centre for criminals, be it drug smuggling or human trafficking. Elections are not even fair there, they are a sham. For now Kosovo will be safe while their American babysitters watch over them, but as the USA does with other places, they will one day loose interest in Kosovo, and for once the K Albanians will have to fight for themselves.

He added that such serious accusations regarding Srebrenica meant that Mladić “has to be in the Hague Tribunal, to be treated with a fair process, but he has to give some answers”

B92

Accusations by who? The Western fascists that have been using the same propaganda technique for the last 20 years to destroy Serbia's identity and surrender its sovereignty.They are the same killers that cover their horrendous crimes under their interventionist slogan "crimes against humanity" while engaging in a killing spree from Yugoslavia to Afganistan.They are the lawmakers and the executioners.

But you shouldn't worry Boris.You are the favourite son of the EU now and part of the family.You have gained their respect.With the arrest of Mladic you stuck one more dagger into Serbia as an independent state.The accusations against Mladic have nothing to do with "crimes against humanity".It's everything to do with the Western geopolitical designs in the balkans.

What next?I think Nato membership will come before Serbia's recognition of the drugs cartel that rule kosovo.Eu membership will take some years,if it ever happens.

"Tadic you simpleton you, you pathetic, lying, slavish, yellow traitor. Anyone with half a brain can see that these are political show trials, this is not a real court, this is a NATO court meant to blacken and weaken Serbia, and you are taking part in that process by sending your citizens to their death, and to humiliate your country as NATO has dictated to you."
(Dragan, 4 June 2011 16:40)

Bla bla... someone watched too much Seslj and Milosevic propaganda and hate speech on RTS in his youth, it seems. Once you become civilized, you could be a worthy person in a discussion and others maybe would try to think about your arguments.

More BS from president of a BS country.

@Bob!
It is very easy for you to sit there and shout out your abuse at the 66% my dear Bob. Yes, take away 25% of this figure for the extremist boot boys who have no sense of legal direction and you are left with 41%! These are the rational people who have lived through the lies, the betrayals and the back room deals which have all served to undermine ANY ONE of the legitimate arguments of the Serbian people through the last 20 odd years.

Look at the facts dear Bob. The "facts" that we Serbs have had to live with for over 20 years. The "facts" that blind people like you, with no knowledge of the big picture have been educating us with every day.

An analogy for you Bob: Let someone come into your home (country) and repeatedly rape your mother (all you believe in and love) in front of your eyes, and then you tell me that you would have acted differently to many of the situations and I will call you a bloody liar!

-I love the above line. It just shows that Tadic is fully aware, that the main condition to join EU, is to recognize your neighbors.-

Agim Kelmendi

Fortunately Kosovo is not a neighbour, Kosovo is Serbia.

So Tadic thinks that Mladic is going to get a 'fair trial'? lol Tadic you simpleton you, you pathetic, lying, slavish, yellow traitor. Anyone with half a brain can see that these are political show trials, this is not a real court, this is a NATO court meant to blacken and weaken Serbia, and you are taking part in that process by sending your citizens to their death, and to humiliate your country as NATO has dictated to you.

Slobodan, you have to break from the vicious circle. It's been like this for centuries now. Mladic's father, I've heard, that he dad was killed by the Croats in 1943, when he was 2 years old, and, when he became an adult, his objective was to revenge. Now that Mladic has failed in his attempt, who is going to take the sword and continue the war of revenge? A son? a grand son? A great grand son?

Believe me, there is no future when your spirit is turned towwards vengeance and rvenge. Enough of this.

I wouldn't loose any sleep over your Turkish brothers.The wind has already started blowing from Syria to Dayarbakir.
(Leonidas, 4 June 2011 17:50)

You should thank westernen countries, including Uncle Sam, otherwise you will be speaking Turkish by now. Greek military is no match for Turks, and Greeks know it.

Serbia does not need the type of person represented by Mladic and never did. Serbia definitely deserves better than that.

It is abundantly obvious why Serbia does not have to be loyal to Mladic - or to his supporters. Their attitude of allowing and supporting illegal war-crimes has back-fired on them. The international community is sick of them and their policies. They will not be allowed to succeed however much they wallow in their own perverted view of the world.

If only 34% supported the arrest of a war criminal - there is something wrong with the 66% who didn't. No wonder the international community has not been very happy with Serbia.

However, the 34% are the ones who are right. And they are Serbs too.
(Bob, 4 June 2011 13:45)

Ok, lets say Winston Churchill was still alive. Go to Britain and have a poll asking how many would extradict him to the Hague on war crimes charges relating to the bombings of Dresden.

One question for you Captain Frisco, is that a picture of you and your albanian gay lover?

Has anyone beside Tadic owned up for the wrong doing in the Balkan wars? A real Serb in my books, one that looks to the future for his people.

Sometimes most of you really makes me feel ashamed in front of my western friends, actually always.Shame on you!

There are obviously no room for Serbia in the EU...

If Mladic is to have a decent trial, at least a decent Lawyers-team should be financed somehow. It hurts the eye just to look at the comic surrogate lawyer. How come a general, standing in the impressive tradition of Serbian generals, is now left without any help ? Not that he stands any chance of not being convicted, but at least a prominent lawyer could get the Serbian soul of the hook or bring the balance back in the description of the role of Yugoslavia in this civil war. Isn't there somewhere a decent US Miljonaire of Serbian descent, without any sympathy for Mladic deeds, who nevertheless wants to invest in a honorable defense in order to prevent murder on the Serbian heritage?
This competent lawyer might also be more convincing in talking Sebia into the Eu. Radiating respect, that some politicians fail to provide as they seem to lack any decency. Saying he is a Bosnian. It reminds me of the joke about the only diplomatic success of Austria: making the world believe that Hitler was a German.

--One question for you Captain Frisco, is that a picture of you and your albanian gay lover?
(Dragan, 4 June 2011 19:45)--

Normaly i would never be responding to you Dragan, but you gave me a right good laugh so, why not?

He is a special frnd and long-term work partner, and we've co-authored a number of other articles. and i've met many of his frnds/colleagues and of course family members, with whom i feel quite close, though his parents speak limited english. my own albanian is sadly pitiful.

the story behind the picture is kind of funny -- probably no one can tell, but it was taken somewhere in "RS" enroute to belgrade, about 5 or 6 years ago. the photographer is a (Bosnian Serb) female law student, who like so many gals was quite smitten with him. and he speaks fluent serbo-croatian, as i once learned to call it. it seems that nationalist politics do not prevent inter-ethnic emotions and erotic trysts. au contraire... I am eternally grateful to her, it is one of my favorite fotos.

now dragan, i assume you'd hoped that I'd throw some kind of major fit or god knows what, but you really gave me a good laugh. have a good day!

tung. roberto frisco

ps My frnd is an independent political analyst in his own right.

I wouldn't loose any sleep over your Turkish brothers.The wind has already started blowing from Syria to Dayarbakir.
(Leonidas, 4 June 2011 17:50)

It is always so funny to watch when turkish gypsies try to educate the greek.

@ Petar Spiridonovic
Maybe "Predrag" can represent him, since he is sure the General is a hero.

I read so many reports and comments in the last days referring to Tadic's recent statements. Never read such a huge frequency of negative reports regarding the current Serbian president. He actually "demands" to enter EU, not feeling ashamed a little bit that the extradition of the butcher of Srebrenica was not a bonus but a overdue duty. The EU better draws a line now against this kind of behavior.

The ethnic hate, crippled emotions, handicapped morals and biased beliefs presented here are very concrete factors helping anyone to understand why all what happened in the Balkans actually took place.

By all means not a single factor is an endemic one. We've seen all of them in operation elsewhere, too, not only in the Balkans. So the Balkan people should not be seen as some specific population, not in any way.

Similar factor is the denial of events. On any side of conflicts.

The wise (but not faultless) learn from their mistakes, the fools go on repeating them, and usually to their own harm. The very hated, often most hated, individuals among any ethnic group are those who ask their ethnic sisters and brothers to learn from done mistakes.

I see most of the rhetoric here in comments, "views" or "opinions", as example of writers' fear of losing their mind, even identity, in case they would want to learn. I don't say this to accuse, or to prosecute. I say this to remind about what is good for all of us, each and every man, woman and child.

Now we have Mladic in court. It will be great waist of human resources if we don't use this opportunity to study what really happened, and why it happened. Is this too much asked?

it´s simply irrelevant about what others may convince Mr.Tadic. it doesn´t matter, since Serbia´s constitution is what counts.

Mr.Tadic can think a lot, and he has done much harm to Serbia, but there is nothing in regard to KiM he can do, what could not be annulled right away as soon as he is out of office.

but again, the article, if Tadic really used these words, implies that it is of relevance what Mr.Tadic is convinced of.

that is clearly not the case. he has to obey the constitution. he is the servant of the constitution, one could say.

so, it has absolutely no relevance, if some others, foreigners especially, would "convince" him about anything at all.

seems like either the media or himself made a mistake here. being more accurate is indicated here, no matter who made that mistake.

Bla bla... someone watched too much Seslj and Milosevic propaganda and hate speech on RTS in his youth, it seems.
(Top, 4 June 2011 20:28)
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And that coming from the BBC and CNN addict who watched a bit too much Madeline Albright and Jamie Shea.

(Agim Kelmendi, 4 June 2011 12:13)--

thanks, and thank you to all who have been steadfast in demanding the truth, in demanding justice over the ever-present lies and cover ups.

ciao! tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 4 June 2011 18:14)
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LOL, the Serb hater writing to the sworn Serb enemy about truth and justice. What next? Secret files discovered of Hitler writing to Goebbels about world peace?

Anyway, on a much more serious note, Israeli soldiers have fired on Palestinian protesters in Golan. It looks like they've killed at least 12 protesters. This is a horrible crime that will most likely go unpunished.

We heard how Her Majesty’s English Ambassador to Serbia, Sir Michael Davenport said that discussing the Partition of Kosovo with Albanians is not constructive.

It is not constructive for those who use the Divide and Rule Tactics to have Belgrade and Pristina dialogue go in any direction other than how they prefer it.

A few days after that Colonial Decree was issued by the England’s Ambassador to Serbia, the Albanians said that Partition was unacceptable, because it would distract attention away from the more important technical issues of concern for the People of Kosovo.

We all know that that All Countries, even the Albanians Voted Unanimously at the United Nations General Assembly that the lives of the People of all Races of People in Serbian and in Kosovo should be improved.

It is just not the best time to Discuss the Partition of Kosovo during the Trial of General Ratko Mladic, because of all the accusations of Ethnic Cleansing, even though the war was mainly between Ethnic Serbs.

This is because Partition has suggestions that Different Races want Racial Purity; whereas, the Truth of the Matter is that they just want a workable Compromise Solution.

We know that the Countries of the entire Balkans are Members of the International Criminal Court, and so the ICTY will not be needed in the future for the Territories of the former Yugoslavia.

We all know that there is at least 6% support among the Serbian Voters who would be in favour of holding a Referendum to seek support for the Redrawing of the Borders of Serbia.

The immediate implications are that a Political Party with that Policy will go over the 5% threshold needed to win Seats at the next Serbian Election.

This does not mean that there will be a Majority in Parliament to allow a Bill to hold a Referendum.

Even if there were that Majority in Parliament that would allow the holding of that Referendum, then this would not guarantee that the Referendum would be successful.

What it does show is if a Serbian Political Party were in favour of Redrawing the Borders of Serbia, then perhaps a small Kosovo Albanian Political Party could gain Seats at their next Elections.

Over time, these Political Parties could gain Majorities, but only after NATO have left Kosovo Completely and Permanently, and this will all take time, but this the best way to approach the situation anyway.

It does not matter that Serbia’s next Parliamentary Election is a year away, because the Serbian President Election is two years away.

This is further complicated by the time that is needed until the Kosovo’s next Parliamentary Election.

There are Serbian Politicians who think that if Kosovo becomes Independent, then the Albanians will be able to gain Territory of FYROM, but only if America leaves Kosovo Completely and Permanently.

It should be noted that the Americans understood this perfectly because most of us, and so there is no Secrets that you can keep from those who are more intelligent.

America knows that if Kosovo becomes Independent, then the Albanians will want some of FYROM if the Americans wish to remain invited to stay at Camp Bondsteel.

How fortunate for everyone that the United Nations General Assembly Voted Unanimously that the lives of the People of Serbia and Kosovo should be improved.

This will take Money, and so just keep the Money coming, It could also require that America investigates if Goran Hadzic is a secret Catholic who was working for Pope John Paul the Second and for the Croats to enlarge Croatia and the Holy Roman Empire in Europe.

I am in favour of Partition of 67% of Kosovo with Total Racial Segregation of Albanians and Non-Albanians, but as long as Camp Bondsteel stays with Serbia.

There are of course things that Kosovo Albanians can do in the next year until after the next Serbian Election, and the ICTY can retry some indictees to see if some of them are Innocent, or if some of them are Secret Catholics and Secret Muslim Janissaries who were working for America.

I think that it would be Good, Proper, and Acceptable if Albania were the First Country to Revoke their support for Kosovo Albanian Unilateral Declaration of Independence, and for the Kosovo Albanians to fully Reintegrate with Serbia.

A Scholar and a Historian said that any time is the Right Time to be Wise, and any time is the Right Time to do the Right Thing.

Sometimes most of you really makes me feel ashamed in front of my western friends, actually always.Shame on you!

There are obviously no room for Serbia in the EU...
(Top, 5 June 2011 07:14)

The feeling is mutual Top, and we are very glad that you and the Ceda Jovanovic crowd dislike us, it means we are saying all the right things. And I agree with you, Serbia should stay out of the EU.

Captain Frisco, that was the first posting from you without any anti-Serb hate speech and propoganda. Amazing. Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed or something?
Cheers!

Yet Another J.S. commented:

am in favour of Partition of 67% of Kosovo with Total Racial Segregation of Albanians and Non-Albanians, but as long as Camp Bondsteel stays with Serbia.

Ahem, J.S, Bondsteel belongs to the USA and is part of NATO, they bombed Serbia. How can they possibly be with Serbia?