Minister's newest partition idea involves Albania

Mr Tadic,

No need to partition Kosova between Serbia and Albania.

With Kosova as an independent state we (the Albanians) have 2 votes in the region.

I am rather in favour of a partitioning of Serbia:

1. Vojvodina back to Hungary (Mayarian)
2. Sandsjak between Serbia, Bosnia & Kosova
3. Preseve Valley (back) to Kosova

Tung

First he implies that Kosovars are Albanians then he says we are the "minorities" of Albania; an implication in itself that is contrary to his original statement. Just listening to this baboon can make an educated brain go numb.

Kosovo should be under Albania's pre-1912 border....of course I'm a realist and understand that the world will not accept such a thing --- same goes for Bosnia's secessionist serb entity.

Just a word of advice, Kosovo is doing just fine......say hello to the embargo June 20th, 2011 (20.06.2011).



Thanks,

As for the ongoing Belgrade-Priština dialogue, the minister said the essential issue regarding Kosovo would remain unsolved because of the stance of the EU and the U.S., and said the most the talks could achieve was "some kind of special autonomy for Serbs in north".

You are right on this one partially. Why special autonomy,why not just autonomy with ultimate authority coming from Prishtina? This is the only solution, and in return Serbia and Kosova will establish diplomatic relations,and open embassies +counsulate in north Mitro for Serbia and counsulate in Preshevo for Kosova.

Dacic must be wrong in the head to make such a suggestion.

So it went from kosovo is serbia to kosovo is albania/serbia?
That a government person even suggest this is treason, It should be noted that those who fought for serbia is in the hague and those against is free to rule. Sad for all serbia give up your teretory,your freedom, your currency everything in order to jump on a sinking ship (the eu) witch many of its countries already stand in economic collapse and the rest has to bail them out.

I look forwards to comments which suggest other crazy ideas about re-shaping the boarders of Europe. "If X gets to have this lands then Y should have this land." Bosnia is going to get destroyed in these comments. I bet Croatia, Macedonia and Montenegro get dragged into this also.

Such a movement would destabilize Albania as well as Serbia and would throw back them for decades, if not centuries (let alone Bosnia, Montenegro and Macedonia, which would cease to exist, anyway not so peacefully as sb. could wish). It's a well-known fact that national minorities in countries affected by nationalism incline towards the reactionary, populist, backward-forces in their (supposed) mother-states. History has always proved it.
That's perfectly the case of both Serbia and Albania. Just check the electoral preferences of Kosovo-Albanians, Bosnian Serbs and Kosovo-Serbs in their supposed mother-states. Such a move would most probably block permanently any kind of political evolution towards European values and would yield instead a kind of Erdogan/Putin-like political system in the Balcan (which in that case wouldn't remain limited to Serbia and Albania).
Poprosing such a solution means the de jure and de facto separation of the Balcan from European values and bringing it back to its past. Who has to benefit from it?

Well Dacic can you suggest to Macedonian that 25% albanians living in the western part of the country should separate and join Albania to ?? And Also Preshevo valley,Medvedgja and Bujanovc should they also unite Albania ?? Are you suggesting to Montenegro that it's southern part with majority albanians should join Albania ?


And what about Sandzak Dacic ? Should it be separated between Bosnia and Kosovo ??


You are opening to many questions Dacic and it will spark some kind of pandoras box. Somthing would go wrong on the way and it will start an war. I think the current borders are doing just well and Balkan haven't been as stable as it is right now. Kosovo is an independent and joining Albania or Serbia is out of the question.


If you want to talk about Kosovo then you will have to talk with the goverment of Kosovo in Prishtina. Not the goverment of Albania in Tirana wich cannot force anything on Kosovo or it's multi ethnic people there. Just as the goverment of Serbia cannot force anything on the people of Kosovo.

Kosovo is independent so just respect it and go on you will not win any territory more!!

Wow...I'm actually speechless. Looking forward to reading comments on this topic.

Good idea, but 100 years late.
Now Kosovo has its own state,parlaiment and gonverment.
Talk to them not to Albania.
Secondly,why do you care if Kosovo survives or not?
We albanians want to survive,but if it doesn't Kosovo can join Albania.Is up to albanians in Kosova and Albania and not up to Belgrade.
Beware of Sandjak and Vojvodina because Kosova is gone.

Another potential solution to Kosovo to be discussed, but this one also has the mischevous potential for splitting Albanian opinion and causing political conflicts in Pristina and Tirana.

This idea rather sweeps away the claim that Kos Albanians have compromised on Kosovo by agreeing not to become a part of Albania. This idea says 'ok, become part of Albania, but if the independent state of Kosovo was a compromise and now we have given you what you really wanted, you owe us something in return'.

Of course in reality an independent Kosovo was not a compromise at all for Kosovo Albanians, it was victory.

To take my Serbian cap off, I do think its time that Kos Albanian politicians / analysts come forward with possible compromise solutions of their own. Its not ideal for Kos Albanians that Serbia is setting the agenda for political discourse on Kosovo, even though Belgrade has little day to day control over it.

You think Kosovo is doing well? The Guardian is saying "Kosovo heads for ruin while its watchdog looks on"
(Swede, 1 June 2011 13:23)

It's not the Guardian saying that, rather it's Andrea Capussela, a parasite who worked as Head of the Economic and Fiscal Affairs Unit of the International Civilian Office for almost 3 years, taking a salary in thousands of euros a month and now starts spewing crap on the same institution (among others) he was part of til was kicked out. If he was such a good person he would have talked while he was still working and receiving his thouands of euros per month wage.

I think the current borders are doing just well and Balkan haven't been as stable as it is right now.(Demi, 1 June 2011 12:30)

You think Kosovo is doing well? The Guardian is saying "Kosovo heads for ruin while its watchdog looks on"

Everything is preparing for another war in the Balkans...2015 ?

prime minister Thaci said today that, if Serbia insists to open this subject we will, but Serbia is not going to win. WW1 the Kosovo boarder was in Nis NOW we know where it is! you have Presevo and Medvegje valleys which are all Albanian (if you lose that you lose the southern part of Serbia (corridor 6). I know Belgrade is trying their last resort to try and salvage some part of Kosovo, but unfortunately that is 12,000 people too late!

Maybe this issue would have been relevant in the early 90s or late 80s when Ibrahim Rugova was requesting Kosovo to become a republic under former Yugoslavia, but then and until recently Belgrade's stance was that Kosovo was the cradle of Serbia and now you want to take the top of the cradle and go to sleep! doesn't work like that!

by the way this isnt coming from Dacic this is coming from the Serbian Government, even President Tadic fell short of saying that Serbia will accept any Partition solution, therfore they are happy to close the issue but want to save their face as they all pledged to never give up Kosovo, they want a little bit of it now not all. lol

you're starting to sound like highduke.
(Gustave, 1 June 2011 13:30)


Glad you mentioned highduke. I wonder where he is and what does he think about all this?
Ops, maybe he has not finished reading his fairy tail book yet,in order to make a comment.

Dacic you can try to manipulate us but you will never get Northern part of Kosovo. We know what you want!

Have Tadic ordered you to test the waters before Serbia goes on and recognize Kosovo? Somthing Serbia must do to get candidate status for EU. So now you want to get whatever you can get and that is Northern Kosovo. It's a failed mission!

Don't forget that the only legitimate representatives of Kosovo are in Prishtina and you know the adress. Ask Stefanovic what flag and policy they have at the table. They will tell you where the red line goes. As for your read lines it seem's that you cannot keep them.


Independent Kosovo will not stop to exist. Kosovo now works as a state. Just ask Tadic how he cannot go to important meetings because Kosovo President have advantage.


What happend to the serbian heart and soul and cradle to serbian civilazation ? Is it for sale now ?

It's typical! First they tried to expel the indigenous Albanian population from Kosova from their homes.... that didn't work... and now it 'dawned' on them that maybe they should’ve spoken to Tirana about the ‘problem’ in the first place!! And this is all coming from an SPS member who until very recently had a portrait of comrade Milosevic in his living room, probably still does!

When Dacic was working for Milosevic he didn't want to talk to Kosovo Albanians, let alone Albania. Milosevic is turning in his grave.

Zorane,

How about dividing Serbia between Albania, Hungary, Croatia, and Bosnia?

Maybe you forgot to mention this alternative.

Not the goverment of Albania in Tirana wich cannot force anything on Kosovo or it's multi ethnic people there.
(Demi, 1 June 2011 12:30)

Huh? Where did you read that Tirana wants to force something on Kosovo? Take a deep breath and control your emotions, you're starting to sound like highduke.

It's not fair to burden Albania with the mess of Kosovo. The Albanian state doesn't deserve to be destabilized by corrupt clans. The best would be: No more financial support, no more donor money for Kosovo and the corrupt government (just like the IMF proposed, see another article from today here) and simply wait what will happen to Kosovo.

seems like Mr.Dacic is repeatedly trying to signal towards the USofA " readiness " to settle the problem, before the US totaly lose grip and the Tadic-Regime leaves office for another, rather patriotic one.

I think, there is nothing to be partitioned, it´s all serbian territory. so much for any phantasies about illyrian descent and similar absurdities.

furthermore, I really hope the USofA stay arrogant as they are in the last two decades, and do not comply with these pro-western ideas in the Tadic-regime. Serbia is on the way to become the motor of the region, we all know that, okay, except some k-albanian kiddies here, who still believe to be a "state" and the fairy tales they are reading in the k-albanian yellow-press.

the US are on the decline, it could be seen again a few days ago, when Mr.Obama visited Poland, just a week or two after Poland declared itself the leader of the new Visegrad-group, what is a direct devitalization of US-american power within NATO.

it could be seen also in the little fact that Lech Walesa did not attend to meet with Mr.Obama, and with allegedly having said, that he does not intend to meet him that there is no need to meet with Mr.Obama.

well, quite another discrete slap in the face of the " one and only global superpower " as one rather naive k-albanian kid here once has called the USofA.

given that the US will continue to lose authority and political power in the future, this conduct by the current regime in Belgrade can only be seen as attempted high treason.

I really hope, the Tadic-regime will not get away with that.

finally,Serbia will prevail, and every phoney business that these figures in the Tadic-regime try to make, is invalid and illegal.

Serbia´s constitution is to be respected. and time works for Serbia, so, as long as no one from within is worsening the situation, we have all reason to be optimistic.

Just a word of advice, Kosovo is doing just fine......say hello to the embargo June 20th, 2011 (20.06.2011)...Koso

Wrong, my friend. "Kosova" is doing horribly. Just read the story about money being cut off to Pristina on this site today, and then re-evalute your statement.

Why give away parts of kosovo when it's criminal government will fall apart by the end of this year? The IMF has just banned them from any more loans. HAHAHAHA

--It's typical! First they tried to expel the indigenous Albanian population from Kosova from their homes.... that didn't work... and now it 'dawned' on them that maybe they should’ve spoken to Tirana about the ‘problem’ in the first place!! And this is all coming from an SPS member who until very recently had a portrait of comrade Milosevic in his living room, probably still does!(adrian kola, 1 June)--

Comrade Milosevic, indeed! It is NOT up to dacic, tadic or anyone else in the blgd regime to decide what will happen in kosova. your country has caused enough misery already -- who is talking about that? who is taking about the 10 - 12,000 kosovar albanians that you (under milosevic) mass murdered? who is talking about the destruction of 100's of thousands of people's residences? of the rapes of girls and women by serbian forces? of the mass graves on SERBIAN soil? of the industrialized mass burnings of albanian men, women and children by serbian terror forces?? Link:

http://www.bosniaks.net/prilog.php?pid=41966

somehow, these "difficult" issues are NEVER brought up by our not-so-highly esteemed members of the blgd regime, i wonder why.

i have said it before -- this promotion of unending partitioning, in my opinion, is not the answer. there will always be ethnic minorities within any given country, and that country needs to learn an effective and democratic way to deal with them, to deal with ALL of its citizens. that means Kosova, that means albania, that means serbia, that means bosnia, that means macedonia... you can partition forever, and never get it quite "clean." you can try to FORCE partition forever after, and continue never ending warfare. especially in the balkans.

i don't know if dacic speaks from his "heart" or is just a cheap sounding-board for the belgd regime. either way, we are not impressed.

the people of kosova will determine the future of kosova, thank you very much for your "help."

tung.
roberto frisco

open your third card mr dacic we have 2 votes this is to late this is albanian plan for 2 states in europe like germany and austria this is why we that for great albania to have 2 states u lost the war and u lost all 1999

progresso..... Serbia is going to ask for 1,000,000,000 EUR loan from IMF.

Don't forget Kosovo is about to place a 10% tariff on Serbian imports.......that's going to affect at least 200mn EUR in trade. Things are about to get a whole lot worse for you people.


Thanks,

Mr. Roberto, you say that partition is not the answer, but you won't admit that is exactly what Kosovo "independence" is -- the partitioning of Serbia along ethnic lines -- Kosovo is the most "ethnically pure" region in Europe @ 98%...care to discuss further?

"Its not ideal for Kos Albanians that Serbia is setting the agenda for political discourse on Kosovo"

lol,

The Belgrade clown cough governemment has gone from

"Kosovo is forever our Holy Jerusalem, indivisible, inalienable territory of Serbia"

to

"Let's partition Kosovo"

to

"Partition is not in the government platform"

to

"Serbia should not have recognized any other negotiator from the other side except Albania," wondered the minister.

Yet, according to you, these clowns are setting the agenda on Kosovo when they come everyday dismissing what they themselves said the day before.

ROFl, you just made my day.

How funny is this? Just a few months ago we heard from our Albanian friends here how KiM and Albania will unite into one country but now, as soon as a Serbian mentions it they are completely against it! It's like playing with a bunch of children.

Personally, I don't have an issue with partition but I've always maintained that it should be applied across all of the former YU. We can't just divide KiM and think that all will be solved. The Albanians in FYROM will start to get funny ideas and so will Serbians in CG, BiH and Croatia. Well, then so will Bosnian Muslims in Sandzak and Croatians in BiH.

So the way I see it, OK, lets divide KiM between Serbians and Albanians. Lets divide FYROM between Albanians and FYROMians. Lets divide Croatia between Serbians and Croatian and then Bosnia between Serbians, Croatians and the Muslims. Finally parts of Sandzak will go to the Bosnian Muslims.

Now net gainers are Albanians and Serbians. Croatia probably ends up with the same area while Montenegrins, Bosnian Muslims and FYROMians end up with less and will become unsustainable entities. In that case the three entities should unite with Serbia to create a sustainable state.

But this won't happen because the US and UK keep meddling into other people's affairs.

Wow Serbia's politicians must really be getting desperate to talk about partitioning Kosovo between Albania and Serbia. This idea is a non-starter. First of all Kosovo has been recognized as an independent state by 75 countries including the US most EU members. It has set up state institutions which define it as an independent and sovereign state. The world community has made it clear that there will be no border changes to include minority groups living in other countries since this would lead to an endless amount of wars and frozen conflict all around the world which would paralyze the way our international order has been set up. Basically Kosovo will never be joined with Albania despite the fact that some Serbs and Albanians might wish for that to happen.

Now that Serbia increasingly is seen to have capitulated its claim to Kosovo and shown that it is desperate to resolve the "Kosovo problem" they really only have one choice and that is to recognize and independent Kosovo that has enhanced protection for the tiny Serbian minority. Once Serbia recognizes Kosovo both would be able to move forward on their path to development and Euro-Atlantic integration.

You can say what you want, but at least Dacic dares to speak the unspeakable unlike his fellow colleagues.

Nevertheless, the question to partition Kosovo and distribute it to Serbia and Albania comes definitely to late. Belgrade should have come with this before the declaration of independence. Now, it wouldn't make sense because the political process such as recognition by dozens of countries is completed and by more ongoing. Giving Serbs special minority rights, as well as the assurance that Kosovo will not have an army. This is a compromise @bganon...

Now he suggests something new again. But without an explanation of who gets how much territory plus with Marty and with EULEX pursuing the organ-trafficking investigation and as long as Dacic isn't even involved negotiations - his statements amount to organized trolling for foreign consumption to give the appearance of disunity on our part to give false hope to Albanians.

Vojvodina, being approx. 75% Serbian inhabited, has little chance of becoming Hungarian, my dear Albanian posters. Better you concentrate on your Kosova project. Looks like Thaci is going to have to step up his drug cartel, since the IMF is cutting his . . . 's off.

While the idea of separation sounds good to all parties. It will never work. Dacic can forget about talking to Tirana about seperation. The Serb govermnent was told many times that the correct address is Prishtina. Will Albanians ever agree to splitting Kosovo in return for nothing. Absolutely not. Would Albanians ever agree to split Kosovo in return for Presheva, Medvegje and Bujanovc perhpahs yes ....but will the main sponsor the US and will Serbia agree to it. I doubt that very much.

So you are back at the stalemate until one day US runs out of patience and orders the goverment of Kosovo to take the north by force. I hate to say this bluntly but please remember Knin. When all else fails unfortunately its the mighty force that seems to win the argument. Then all of sudden its fate accompli. Albanians are in total control of the entire Kosovo. Yes Serbia will complain and jump up and down but that is all that it can do. Attacking Kosovo with thousands of NATO troops stationed there is not an option.

So, Dacic knows this very well and is offering these solutions not out of the goodness of the heart but because simply there are no other better offers that Serbia can extract out of Kosovar side.

Nothing is impossible.

Isn't it nice to see that Dacic has managed to unite Serbian and Albanian posters?
Both sides are unitedly opposing his ideas. If he goes on like this he will create a new era of eternal peace... well as long as his next move isn't to proclaim Albania is Serbia (K-Albanians= according to Serbia Serbian citizens, Kosovo united with Albania= Serbian citizens living in Albania, wherever a Serb lives is Serbia etc. etc.)

Vojvodina has traditionally (for generatoins) been a multi-ethnic society and province of Serbia. Why not Kosovo?

Dacic:"And are there different Albanians living in Priština and Tirana?" Once upon a time you supported idea that in Tirana "Albanians" are living, while in Prishtina "Arnauti" even "Arbanasi".

Although I believe that Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia, I do believe that parition would also be a good idea. However it baffles me when Albanians on this websites commentary say that Vojvodina and Sandzak will secede from Serbia if talk of partition is brought up. Do you Albanians know that Vojvodina is 65% Serbian and that the other 35% is divided between 10 different minorities who do not make a significant part of the population at all? Hungarians make up only 12% of Vojvodina! Did you also know that Sandzak is half Serbian and half Bosnian? So I dont see how Vojvodina and Sandzak will ever secede being that Vojvodina has an absolute Serbian majority and Sandzak a relative Serbian majority. Back to partition of Kosovo however. I believe Kosovo should be partitioned, however the partition should not be limited to north of the Ibar River. Serbs should be given 5 enclaves in Kosovo that will remain a part of Serbia and the rest of Kosovo will become independent.

These enclaves should be:

1. Northern Kosovo (This would include Leposavic, Zubin Potok, Zvecan, Northern Mitrovica)

2. Sar Planina (This would include Strpce, the south-eastern part of the Prizren municipality, the Serbian quarter of prizren, and the town of korisa)

3. Gracanica (This would include Gracanica, Laplje Selo, Suvi Do, Caglavica, the Gazimestan battlefield, the southern part of Kosovo Polje, and northern Lipljan.)

4. Metohija (This would include the area west and south of the city of Pec, Gorzadevac, and the area north and west of the town of Decani.)

5. Novo Brdo (This would include Novo Brdo, the northern part of the Gnjilane municipality, Ranilug, and western Kamenica.

This is a good plan becaue the Serbs would keep all of their major enclaves and all of their major cultural sites such as Gracanica Monastery, Decani Monastery, Pec Partiarchate, Bogordica ljeviska, and the Gazimestan battlefield. The Albanians would also recieve land in southern Serbia. They would recieve the entire Presevo municipality, half of Bujanovac, and the part of Medvedja where Albanians live. These lands would join an indepepdent Kosovo. Serbia would give Kosovo unlimited recognition as a sovereign and independent state. Serbia would also pay reparations to the Kosovo Albanians whose family members died in the 99' war in exchange for Albanians rebuilding the 150 Monasteries burnt down and launching a reliable investigation into the organ trade.

This is a good plan because it would help put the issue of Kosovo behind and give both the Serbs and Albanians what they want. The Serbs would keep their most important cultural sites and major enclaves. The Albanians would get land in the Presevo valley and Indepedence recognized by Serbia. The partition must not however be limited to the Ibar River as I mentioned before since a majority of Serbs live south of the river and most of the cultural sites are south of the river as well. The Serbian refugee population mut also be taken into consideration, as there are 205,000 Serbs from Kosovo waiting to move back. These Serbs need a home and therefore would be moved to the new enclaves in Kosovo which would remain a part of Serbia. This is why partition can not be limited to north of the Ibar. Although Kosovo would recieve full indepedence recognized by Serbia, in the plan they would be allowed to hold a referendum to decide if they wanted to join Albania which would be accepted by the international community as long as it was accepted in the referendum.

This is an excellent plan for peace in Kosovo and i sth eonly foreeable solution to the issue.

The facts are that Partition has now been mentioned a few times by Serbia’s Deputy Prime Minister Ivica Dacic, and yes, there is more than 6% of Serbia Voters who want Partition and this will guarantee that the SPS remains in Parliament after the next Serbian Election.

Even the Ex-Yugoslav President Dobrica Cosic has assessed that the centuries long antagonism between the Serbs and the Albanians in Kosovo could only be Solved with a Permanent Partition.

It needs to be understood that there will be no way to please everyone, no matter what the proposal, and therefore, the SPS should not even try to please everyone.

At the moment, Serbia only has to Negotiate over Kosovo’s Final Status, but if the rest of the former Yugoslavia want to change their Borders by Agreement, then they are Legally Entitled to discuss it.

If we look at History, then we will say that all the Races of the former Yugoslavia have been losers, because after Tito, there should have been a Negotiated Settlement on the Borders.

I appears that several Races of the former Yugoslavia will continue to be losers if they do not Negotiate Border Changes; however, UNSCR 1244 speaks of the need to Negotiate a Final Status for Kosovo.

I do not want to hear that Kosovo is Independent, because otherwise the trolls here would not need to keep repeating it in order to deceive themselves.

Kosovo is legally Serbian Land, and anyone who disputes this should not even be listen to.

It needs to be fully understood by Everyone, that this is Only my Approximate Suggestions on what Partition of Kosovo Could look like, and that it is only one of several Possible Models.

My suggestions should in no way reflect on the Official Serbian Government Position, and also the Position of the Overwhelming Majority of Serbian Voters who may be wiling only Recognize an Independent 67% Kosovo, under certain conditions.

Perhaps an Opinion Poll should be Conducted to find what the True Level of Support there is among the Kosovo Albanians to the notion of Partition, rather than listening to the few Albanians who write comments on this Website.

The Offer of Partition for Serbia’s Albanians will allow the Albanians to move on, and the Albanians should not try to be too clever by half, by trying to suggest that the Serbian People are the ones that are Racist by proposing Partition as an Option.

Honesty among all the Serbian People and the Albanian People is essential if the Negotiations are to be successful.

Serbia should by all means default on all of its Loans to the IMF, the World Bank, and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, and borrowing the Money from Other Sources, because this is Compensation for Serbia.

The main Obstacle is that America and their other Politically Correct European Union Crowd are against the Partition of Kosovo because of Ideological Reasons.

It will require a United Effort by the Serbs and the Albanians to tell the World that we do not care what the World thinks, and that this is our land, and that Foreigners are only here to Exploit the People, and that they should Immediately Go Home.

Serbia would want the area where the Battle of Kosovo was fought centuries ago, and there would be other places that would be connected to Serbia by a thick enough land corridor and the Serbs will want Camp Bondsteel for a Tourist Luxury Motel Complex.

The Funds for conducting this would be by Serbia defaulting on all of its Loans to the IMF, the World Bank, and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, and borrowing the Money from Other Sources.

Even if it is decided by the Albanians that Reintegration with Serbia is what is Desired, then Serbia will need the Funds for this, and Defaulting on All existing Loans is what will be needed.

This means that whatever the future may hold, it is the Proper Policy for Serbia to Default on all of its current Loans, because It Is Just The Right Thing To Do Under Any Future Circumstances.

The Entire United Nation General Assembly Voted that the lives of People of Serbia and Kosovo should be improved.

This can only be done by a Negotiated Settlement, and Regardless of What that Might Be, it will need to be funded with Defaults on all of Serbia’s current Loans.

"Serbia should by all means default on all of its Loans to the IMF, the World Bank, and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, and borrowing the Money from Other Sources, because this is Compensation for Serbia."

..................................
"The Funds for conducting this would be by Serbia defaulting on all of its Loans to the IMF, the World Bank, and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, and borrowing the Money from Other Sources."

"Even if it is decided by the Albanians that Reintegration with Serbia is what is Desired, then Serbia will need the Funds for this, and Defaulting on All existing Loans is what will be needed."

"This means that whatever the future may hold, it is the Proper Policy for Serbia to Default on all of its current Loans, because It Is Just The Right Thing To Do Under Any Future Circumstances. "


:):):):).
I suspect you are an Albanian writing first grade sarcasm. Right?
If not, it's even funnier when you think that you are serious about the above statements.

Do not bring Albania into this. They are an independent country that is in NATO and on its way to eu. But o do I agree with the idea of negotiations. Negotiate with prishtina over the annex of preshove valley to Kosova. It is much better and smarter and easier to do it now then to face the humiliation of losing whole of Kosov now only to have to deal with losing the preshove in a few years. Then the statement will be. Well back in 2011 we should have discussed preshove with Kosova, if we knew then what we know now.....

God Bless All

NewYorkObserver - the last time the US tacitly encouraged a side to retake territory by force, Georgia lost Abkhazia and South Ossetia. If Pristina were to try to resolve the matter by force, Serbia would have no choice but to step in. This would certainly lead to the permanent partition of Kosovo. If Pristina starts this, don't expect NATO to bail it out this time. The myth of the 'good war' in Kosovo has now been exposed for the nonsense that it always was. There is no great sympathy for the Kosovo Albanians any more. Public opinion will not be on your side if you decide to start another war.

Also, don't forget that the majority of the world does not recognise Kosovo. Under these circumstances, whereby the KAs had tried to create a fait accompli by military means, any hopes of further recognitions would be severely limited. Kosovo would not only be divided, in itself no bad thing, it would also remain a protectorate for a very long time. (In this case, your only way out would be to join Albania.)

Really, it would be a monumentally stupid move.

Lets not lose focus on the tasks at hand. We still have more roaches on the run like Goran Hadzic! He too will be brought to justice! One by one they all fall down with Serbias cooperation or not. Serbia can sit around and play hot potato with the topic of Kosova as much as they want. All the Serbs do is find a new face like Dacic to mention some new nonsense to confuse their own citizens and make them feel as if they are getting somewhere. Serbia has no coherent plan, because if they did they would let the Serbian citizens know how this will all pan out in the end. You know Serbia is boxed into a corner when they have to begin giving up their national hero's like Mladic. Even the mentioning of "partition" is a sign of weakness on Serbia's part. They would have NEVER mentioned it before. Time to recognize Kosova sooner rather than later.

I think that Serbia and Albania should start talking and agree to divide between them Hungary.Since Serbia is closer it can get bigger part of it ,like 60%, and Albania 40%.After Hungary they can divide Romania and Bulgaria,and if so far so good,why not divide Kosova and maybe Macedonia.
I think the biggest disagreement will be when Serbia will bring up the slicing of Montenegro.What do you think?

"So you are back at the stalemate until one day US runs out of patience ..."
(NewYorkobserver, 1 June 2011 17:16)

Yes, probably one day EU, US and all other donors will run out of patience and demand that Kosovo will finally become 'independent', which means not depending on donor money any more, to clean itself from the corrupt and cleptocratic government, figh the organized crime (where, usually, Kosovarian politicians or their clan buddies are involved) and finally adapt to European democratic values instead of ancient clan loyality.

This man needs to get his head examined or taken off. Serbia is in a sad state of affairs if this man can make such statements and sit as deputy prime minister, he should be charged with treason for this.

--It's typical! First they tried to expel the indigenous Albanian population from Kosova from their homes.... that didn't work... and now it 'dawned' on them that maybe they should’ve spoken to Tirana about the ‘problem’ in the first place!! And this is all coming from an SPS member who until very recently had a portrait of comrade Milosevic in his living room, probably still does!(adrian kola, 1 June)--

Comrade Milosevic, indeed! It is NOT up to dacic, tadic or anyone else in the blgd regime to decide what will happen in kosova. your country has caused enough misery already -- who is talking about that? who is taking about the 10 - 12,000 kosovar albanians that you (under milosevic) mass murdered? who is talking about the destruction of 100's of thousands of people's residences? of the rapes of girls and women by serbian forces? of the mass graves on SERBIAN soil? of the industrialized mass burnings of albanian men, women and children by serbian terror forces?? Link:

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somehow, these "difficult" issues are NEVER brought up by our not-so-highly esteemed members of the blgd regime, i wonder why.

i have said it before -- this promotion of unending partitioning, in my opinion, is not the answer. there will always be ethnic minorities within any given country, and that country needs to learn an effective and democratic way to deal with them, to deal with ALL of its citizens. that means Kosova, that means albania, that means serbia, that means bosnia, that means macedonia... you can partition forever, and never get it quite "clean." you can try to FORCE partition forever after, and continue never ending warfare. especially in the balkans.

i don't know if dacic speaks from his "heart" or is just a cheap sounding-board for the belgd regime. either way, we are not impressed.

the people of kosova will determine the future of kosova, thank you very much for your "help."

tung.
roberto frisco
(roberto, 1 June 2011 18:34)

The Kosova People are a Kenyan tribe, It is only right that they get local autonomy from the government.

In Kosovo however, Thanks to the sheer amount of lies you've stated, I dont think you deserve anything. Milosevic was charged with the deaths of not 10,000-12,000 K-Albs, but instead 730. The 10,000 Number includes all deaths resulting from that war, and is split at about 50% Albanian 50% non Albanian. The Mass Burnings was proven wrong long ago http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jun2002/trep-j28.shtml

Tell me, Why do the Albanians have a right to Kosovo considering they're crimes far outweighed that of the Serbs? and Why Do the Albanians South Determination; But The Serbs/Roma/Gorani ect do not?

''Now net gainers are Albanians and Serbians. Croatia probably ends up with the same area while Montenegrins, Bosnian Muslims and FYROMians end up with less and will become unsustainable entities. In that case the three entities should unite with Serbia to create a sustainable state.

But this won't happen because the US and UK keep meddling into other people's affairs.
(Zoran, 1 June 2011 19:05) ''

Zoran i like your idea, but you forget Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria...they have some belongings in Serbia that they would like to have back...as for the rest, Albania and Serbia should have made this deal back in 1990s, after the 1999 war there is no chance in at least 100 years that serbs and albanians agree on anything, as crazy as a it is, a scenario where Serbs and Albanians are allies would have screwed muslims and croats very badly, milosevic could have used the war machine at full against croats and bosnians instead of keeping part of the army on alert in Kosovo. At the same time, Albanians couldn't care less about issues between slavs.

Hey Zoran, why give Sandjak to the Bosnians? They are Albanians. Basicly, any region that sorrounds the Alps or what we call as the Albanian Apls, have Albanian blood, even though they might speak a funny accent of slavic ,and by blood , the people around those areas, are more Albanian than any other Albanian speaking in other regions.

I bet Croatia, Macedonia and Montenegro get dragged into this also.
(Ian, UK, 1 June 2011 12:06)

That's true Ian, but also we can't forget that it won't end there. You've got almost million Albanians in Maceodnia. Greece will definately make their move into Southern Macedonia, Bulgaria into Eastern Serbia and Turkey won't be watching either. They(Dacic and co) are trying to destabilize NATO countries in the region.

JIM "Also, don't forget that the majority of the world does not recognise Kosovo. Under these circumstances, whereby the KAs had tried to create a fait accompli by military means, any hopes of further recognitions would be severely limited. Kosovo would not only be divided, in itself no bad thing, it would also remain a protectorate for a very long time. (In this case, your only way out would be to join Albania.)

Really, it would be a monumentally stupid move".

Jim, You can never be certain of any outcome once the shooting starts. I recall right before Croatia attacked Krajina, so much noise was being made that Serbia was coming to the rescue and will have two states at war. Those claims never materialized and Knin was lost forever.

I sincerely hope it never comes to that in the North of Kosovo however with thousands of NATO troops stationed in Kosovo and with the large American base in Gjilane I sincerely doubt that Serbia would try to intervene militarily as it will face a total annihaliton by the American and NATO forces. Also the government in Prishtina would never on its own send a force without the tacit blessing of Washington. Kosovo is recognized by the most powerfull nations in the face of the earth. As such Kosovo has a right to control its borders. Georgia and Kosovo are two different animals and you know that.

We both could be right and wrong at the same time as we are both speculating on future events however it is a scenario that politicians in Belgrade must take into account. The status quo can not remain as is and the American & European patience is wearing thin with Serbia's inability to provide any sense of stability in the Balkans. The world is tired of hearing the line Kosovo is Serbia. Now is the time to come up with concrete proposals. When it comes to dealing with Kosovo nothing has changed in Serbia it is simply put an extensions of Milosevic era policies. The rest of the world knows that Milosevic mentality still prevails all over Serbia unfortunately when it comes to dealing with its neighbors. Somthing has to give in. In this case Serbia has to give in like or not.

I have an idea. why don't albanians STAY in ALBANIA! thats a country, right?

JC - spot on! This is always the simple answer to those who now sing the praises of multiethnic states in the Balkans. If you are so keen on this, then why partition Serbia? (The argument that the conflict made continued Serb rule impossible is rubbish. Does the US apply this same logic to South Ossetia and Abkhazia?) But I wouldn't wait around too long for an answer from Roberto. Fortunately for him, unswerving bigotry does not require a capacity for rational thought.

All Serbia has to do is maintain its current political and economic strangulation of Kosovo. Patience, and no partition. Emigration is certain. Kosovo is Serbia.

Fred, it totally sounds like you work for the U.S. State Department. Just sayin'...

We finally managed to convert some of the Serbian political elite to the "Greater Albania" project. I knew that our presence in B92 site would start showing results soon, but I wouldn't have imagined we'd get the deputy PM. Love it!

I agree with Dacic, Kosova should be united with Albania, but in its entirety. If Serbia has an interest in N Kosova we can swap Leposavic for Presheva valley. Why do you want Presheva valley anyway? In Leposavic you have lots and lots of minerals, all Presheva has is the farmer's market.

"I sincerely hope it never comes to that in the North of Kosovo however with thousands of NATO troops stationed in Kosovo and with the large American base in Gjilane I sincerely doubt that Serbia would try to intervene militarily as it will face a total annihaliton by the American and NATO forces."

New York Observer,

Are you some CIA rookie or a summer intern? You must take great pride that your bully country, that only dares to attack small and military weak countries, dreams itself in a situation that if Serbs in Northern Kosovo would be attacked by the new KLA and the Serb army would come to their rescue that you and your NATO thugs will again bomb Serbia and destroy its entire military capability. You can be sure if Tadic would prevent the Serb army from intervening that the Serb army would get rid of your puppet Tadic in no time. Why don't you spread you rubbish and spin imagination on a site that is more appropriate.

Zoran i like your idea, but you forget Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria...they have some belongings in Serbia that they would like to have back...
(iliri, 1 June 2011 23:52)
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And that is the problem with division along ethnic lines. If Hungary is involved then you get Slovakia and Romania involved as they have large Hungarian minorities. It is the precedent this can of worms creates and that is the reason independence of KiM has been rejected by so much of the world.

When it comes to Vojvodina we can forget about Romania as they have small pockets while there are also pockets of Serbians in Romania. As for Hungarians there are some areas but they have been leaving in large numbers since Hungary joined the EU. This is the ethnic composition in 2002 and since then many Hungarians have left -> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Vojvodina_ethnic2002.jpg

As for Sandzak, this has a majority Serbian/Montenegrin composition with a tiny Albanian area (see brown bit at bottom). The Muslims have a reasonable area http://www.rastko.rs/istorija/srbi-balkan/img/raska1b.jpg but it's not connected to BiH.

As you can see by the ethnic composition in the former YU http://www.trajkovic.rs/Engleski/comments/slike/karta_v_en.jpg only Slovenia was clean. It was inevitable that war would start during the forced breakup of the former YU without negotiations. Germany forced the issue and is largely responsible.

As for hate spreaders like roberto who deal in hypocrisy, offer nothing but division amongst our people. He is an American Jew with major issues in his homeland of Israel, such as genocide, but comes over to the Balkans to stir trouble. The sooner people like him leave us alone the sooner we can come to an agreement amongst ourselves.

Hell why not. Serbia can stand on its own two feet, where Kosovo has an international crutch keeping thiet head just above the water line. The only true multiethnic country in the Balkans is Serbia. Where as all the other countries are almost ethnically pure and divided along major ethnic lines .

Like so many things Dacic’s proposal could be classified as “too little, too late”. The tragedy of Serbia comes from the double standards it adopted in 1990 with the vain hope that the International community will give its support. Remember when Serbia insisted that “The internationally recognized borders were sacred, while the borders between the Yugo Republics were only administrative once.” So Albanians, Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, etc living “on the territory of Serbia” had no to accept this as their fate, but the Serbs living in “significant numbers” on the territory of Croatia and BiH had a legitimate right to “remain in Yugoslavia”, should those republics secede. The belief that both the “right” and the “might” are on their side, Serbs provoked a series of wars and lost them all. Giving most of Kosovo to Albania in the early 90s in return for Albanian support for Krajna… could have worked. Now the only thing Sebia could negotiate is some “special interests” in Kosovo, perhaps the exchange of Presevo for Mitrovica. The Obama formula for the Middle East – the borders of 1967 to serve as a basis, corrected with mutually agreed exchanges is applicable.
As for Vojvodina, a transfer of a quarter of the province to Hungary, while incorporating the remaining three quarters as integral part of Serbia is today probably a practical solution. Add to this a small transfer to Macedonia (the Prohor Pchinski monastery) and to Bulgaria – the Pagan Monastery… and Serbia may end up with a regional alliance supporting RS’s right of self determination. But most probably Serbia will reach such a conclusion when it is too late. And it could be again: ”could’ve would’ve should’ve, but I didn’t”

Well, it´s said that the distance between 2 points is a straight line but the human being continues testing this axiom, so is comprehensible the speech of Dacic like more a test for the road map for the final truth (perhaps a curve line can works he thinks). Serbia is fat of neighbor´s lands and demonstrated unable of hold it in a multi ethnic society, the medieval landlord is the only politic view understood by the Serbian elite, Tadic had the last chance with the European path for abandon the terrible past of the “great Serbia” on build a Balkan web of states capable of live together and collaborate with the others on a pan European perspective but Jeremic soon convinced him that the “diplomatic weapon” was very weapon for create the “milosevic´s dream” of a Serbian owning the Balkans lost on battlefield, now mladics, organ traffic, Tibet and so on is only the twisted line for reach the final point and it is devolution of the Vojvodina to Hungary, Slavonia to Croatia, Kosova, Presevo Valley to Albania, acceptance of Bosnia, Macedonia and Montenegro like a real state with no possibility of Serbian minorities stall its and devolution of Bulgarian and Romania lands for its owners and the stopping of Serbian minority in Slovakia and Romania trying destabilize these countries, Serbians living abroad need live respecting the law of the hosting countries or move back to Serbia.
The Balkan´s future is a region fully integrated on Europe constituted by sovereign states able to make politic cultural and economic ties with others, NOT a collection of semi-states with minorities´ mobs permitting only Serbia functioning and trying win the control of entire region by selling “stability”, the idea that impose the the actual countries like political reality is negate the multicultural society environment is a misunderstanding, different races and religions can live together but no country can exist being defied by a racial minority can want turn it on a possession of their original country.
The Balkans free of “Serbian Stabilization” started, the path will be fully of Serbian cries but the final point will be reached, there are no option.

This position appears to be designed to split the Alb community and to gain some Alb acceptance to the idea of partition.

Wow Serbia's politicians must really be getting desperate to talk about partitioning Kosovo between Albania and Serbia. This idea is a non-starter. First of all Kosovo has been recognized as independent by 75 countries including the US most EU members. It has set up state institutions which define it as independent . The world community has made it clear that there will be no border changes to include minority groups living in other countries since this would lead to an endless amount of wars and frozen conflict all around the world which would paralyze the way our international order has been set up. Basically Kosovo will never be joined with Albania despite the fact that some Serbs and Albanians might wish for that to happen.

Now that Serbia increasingly is seen to have capitulated its claim to Kosovo and shown that it is desperate to resolve the "Kosovo problem" they really only have one choice and that is to recognize and independent Kosovo that has enhanced protection for the tiny Serbian minority. Once Serbia recognizes Kosovo both would be able to move forward on their path to development and Euro-Atlantic integration.
(Fred, 1 June 2011 21:03)
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Recommend (+6)Poor comment (-13)What's thisWhy give away parts of kosovo when it's criminal government will fall apart by the end of this year? The IMF has just banned them from any more loans. HAHAHAHA
(JohnBoy, 1 June 2011 20:37)
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Recommend (+10)Poor comment (-5)What's thisseems like Mr.Dacic is repeatedly trying to signal towards the USofA " readiness " to settle the problem, before the US totaly lose grip and the Tadic-Regime leaves office for another, rather patriotic one.

I think, there is nothing to be partitioned, it´s all serbian territory. so much for any phantasies about illyrian descent and similar absurdities.

furthermore, I really hope the USofA stay arrogant as they are in the last two decades, and do not comply with these pro-western ideas in the Tadic-regime. Serbia is on the way to become the motor of the region, we all know that, okay, except some k-albanian kiddies here, who still believe to be a "state" and the fairy tales they are reading in the k-albanian yellow-press.

the US are on the decline, it could be seen again a few days ago, when Mr.Obama visited Poland, just a week or two after Poland declared itself the leader of the new Visegrad-group, what is a direct devitalization of US-american power within NATO.

it could be seen also in the little fact that Lech Walesa did not attend to meet with Mr.Obama, and with allegedly having said, that he does not intend to meet him that there is no need to meet with Mr.Obama.

well, quite another discrete slap in the face of the " one and only global superpower " as one rather naive k-albanian kid here once has called the USofA.

given that the US will continue to lose authority and political power in the future, this conduct by the current regime in Belgrade can only be seen as attempted high treason.

I really hope, the Tadic-regime will not get away with that.

finally,Serbia will prevail, and every phoney business that these figures in the Tadic-regime try to make, is invalid and illegal.

Serbia´s constitution is to be respected. and time works for Serbia, so, as long as no one from within is worsening the situation, we have all reason to be optimistic.
(Jovan, 1 June 2011 20:21)
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Recommend (+10)Poor comment (-3)What's thisMr. Roberto, you say that partition is not the answer, but you won't admit that is exactly what Kosovo "independence" is -- the partitioning of Serbia along ethnic lines -- Kosovo is the most "ethnically pure" region in Europe @ 98%...care to discuss further?
(JC, 1 June 2011 20:06)
The exact makeup is hard to determine since Serbia advised Serbs to not cooperate with the recent census. However 2009 estimates are 88& Albanian while Serbia is 83% Serbian. Not exactly a big enough gap for discussion!

This guy is a little confused and very contradictory in what he says.First he says that Albanians in Pristina are not different from those in Tirana and then says that ethnic Albanians of Kosovo are Albania's national minority.If we are the same people how can we be each others minority?Only Kosovo Albanians can negotiate for themselves and their fate, they are the ones that went through hell.The biggest mistake that Dacic makes is that he ignores that Kosovo Albanians exist. Big mistake.

Marko comes late to Kosovo. Again.

And as for the Vishegrad Four - their purpose is to establish a special bond with the Americans, since they have doubts about Old Europe's resolution when it comes to Russia. This was a Havel initiative, and he certainly wasn't one to turn his back on the Americans. Obama promised them F-16's and C-130's (not stationing them in Poland, yet, but regular training exercises. Why do you think Gasparic had to find some way to be there?

I think that Serbia and Albania should start talking and agree to divide between them Hungary.Since Serbia is closer it can get bigger part of it ,like 60%, and Albania 40%.After Hungary they can divide Romania and Bulgaria,and if so far so good,why not divide Kosova and maybe Macedonia.
I think the biggest disagreement will be when Serbia will bring up the slicing of Montenegro.What do you think?
(delon, 2 June 2011 00:31)


I just wanted to thank you for this humor. Is by far the best I have heard in years. ...
I mean it.
Thank you!

@Amer:

I am afraid you are wrong.

the socalled Visegrad group, or the Visegrad four, how you put it, and indeed some do it call that way too, was aimed at supporting and enhancing further european integrations back in 1991, respectively 1993 after the dissolution of Czechoslovakia.

so, what you have written, that their purpose is to establish a special bond to the USofA, well, you may go on believing that, but the mere fact that Poland is taking over the leadership of that socalled Battlegroup, which is not foreseen by NATO-command-structures, speaks for a clearly different development than you might wish to realize it.

>>" This was a Havel initiative, and he certainly wasn't one to turn his back on the Americans."

you might be wrong here, too. but that´s not that important, actually.

the mere fact, that they agreed to form a battlegroup under polish leadership, is a very interesting development, since it shows that they do not trust the USofA in terms of staying their close ally against Russia in the future and in regard to possible changes, geopolitical changes between the US and Russia.

they, my dear Amer, are much smarter than the average k-albanian kiddie in here, who is not getting tired of repeating the rather naive mantra of "friendship" between the USofA and "kosovaaah".

given that the USofA have let down a lot of their "friends" before, for instance the Shah in Persia, or the Mossadegh-Regime in the latter Iran or even Saddam Hussein in Iraq, you should rather be concerned calling the US your "friends", I guess.


that the ministers of the V4 agreed to hold military execises under the "auspices of NATO Response Force" how it is written in the wikipedia-article about the Visegrad Group is more of kinda "make up" to let it look like everything is fine.

but actually, NATO is weakended by this move, since the Battlegroup-idea is not in the interest of the USofA for obvious reasons. what they want and what NATO is based on is a central command. well, and there we have the loss of authority of the USofA. I hope you understand what I am telling you, without jumping around and rejecting the use of your own brains...

furthermore, there is something else, I would call a good development:

german chancellor Mrs.Merkel, who in the wake of the japanese fukushima-disaster has now chosen to abandon nuclear power in Germany by 2022, has paved the way for a much more profound change in europe than many do realize today. that means a clear shift in energy politics and a further opening to renewable energies and at the same time an opening towards energy deliveries from the east, and I think I do not have to explain to you, who that might be that is sitting on enormous energy-resources.

and since the development in Germany might be interesting for other european countries too, whose populations do not wish to extend nuclear energy in their countries, (if the exit from nuclear power in Germany proves to be feasible, and for now, there is no reason to believe it´s not) that could lead to a much better situation in terms of international security than NATO is currently offering.

my dear friend Amer, you´re not only wrong in regard to the Visegrad four, you also do not see that things are developing, and I do not see that the USofA will be the eternal "friend" of Germany when it comes to the question of the own energy supply.

I´ll cut it short now: the Visegrad Group´s military reasserting is certainly not a glamourous victory for the USofA. and, wow, they are offering some F-16 jets? well then, everything will be fine, right?

you wish.

Look at the message, not at the messenger. Attacks ad hominem on Dacic are useless and not helpful to this question. It does not matter what he was saying before, or when he was with Milosevic, people's positions change. It matters what he is saying now and what that could mean for the future. Oh wait, the policy of the Serbian government is for agreements but for verbal agreements. Tadic is bound by a constitution Kostunica changed in a second, and Serbian parliament voted in a majority. Now that is in writing (still) and it has signatures on it. As a sign of good faith, I would ask the Serbian parliament to change the constitution.

Mr Tadic,

No need to partition Kosova between Serbia and Albania.

With Kosova as an independent state we (the Albanians) have 2 votes in the region.

I am rather in favour of a partitioning of Serbia:

1. Vojvodina back to Hungary (Mayarian)
2. Sandsjak between Serbia, Bosnia & Kosova
3. Preseve Valley (back) to Kosova

Tung

First he implies that Kosovars are Albanians then he says we are the "minorities" of Albania; an implication in itself that is contrary to his original statement. Just listening to this baboon can make an educated brain go numb.

Kosovo should be under Albania's pre-1912 border....of course I'm a realist and understand that the world will not accept such a thing --- same goes for Bosnia's secessionist serb entity.

Just a word of advice, Kosovo is doing just fine......say hello to the embargo June 20th, 2011 (20.06.2011).



Thanks,

As for the ongoing Belgrade-Priština dialogue, the minister said the essential issue regarding Kosovo would remain unsolved because of the stance of the EU and the U.S., and said the most the talks could achieve was "some kind of special autonomy for Serbs in north".

You are right on this one partially. Why special autonomy,why not just autonomy with ultimate authority coming from Prishtina? This is the only solution, and in return Serbia and Kosova will establish diplomatic relations,and open embassies +counsulate in north Mitro for Serbia and counsulate in Preshevo for Kosova.

Well Dacic can you suggest to Macedonian that 25% albanians living in the western part of the country should separate and join Albania to ?? And Also Preshevo valley,Medvedgja and Bujanovc should they also unite Albania ?? Are you suggesting to Montenegro that it's southern part with majority albanians should join Albania ?


And what about Sandzak Dacic ? Should it be separated between Bosnia and Kosovo ??


You are opening to many questions Dacic and it will spark some kind of pandoras box. Somthing would go wrong on the way and it will start an war. I think the current borders are doing just well and Balkan haven't been as stable as it is right now. Kosovo is an independent and joining Albania or Serbia is out of the question.


If you want to talk about Kosovo then you will have to talk with the goverment of Kosovo in Prishtina. Not the goverment of Albania in Tirana wich cannot force anything on Kosovo or it's multi ethnic people there. Just as the goverment of Serbia cannot force anything on the people of Kosovo.

Kosovo is independent so just respect it and go on you will not win any territory more!!

"Its not ideal for Kos Albanians that Serbia is setting the agenda for political discourse on Kosovo"

lol,

The Belgrade clown cough governemment has gone from

"Kosovo is forever our Holy Jerusalem, indivisible, inalienable territory of Serbia"

to

"Let's partition Kosovo"

to

"Partition is not in the government platform"

to

"Serbia should not have recognized any other negotiator from the other side except Albania," wondered the minister.

Yet, according to you, these clowns are setting the agenda on Kosovo when they come everyday dismissing what they themselves said the day before.

ROFl, you just made my day.

--It's typical! First they tried to expel the indigenous Albanian population from Kosova from their homes.... that didn't work... and now it 'dawned' on them that maybe they should’ve spoken to Tirana about the ‘problem’ in the first place!! And this is all coming from an SPS member who until very recently had a portrait of comrade Milosevic in his living room, probably still does!(adrian kola, 1 June)--

Comrade Milosevic, indeed! It is NOT up to dacic, tadic or anyone else in the blgd regime to decide what will happen in kosova. your country has caused enough misery already -- who is talking about that? who is taking about the 10 - 12,000 kosovar albanians that you (under milosevic) mass murdered? who is talking about the destruction of 100's of thousands of people's residences? of the rapes of girls and women by serbian forces? of the mass graves on SERBIAN soil? of the industrialized mass burnings of albanian men, women and children by serbian terror forces?? Link:

http://www.bosniaks.net/prilog.php?pid=41966

somehow, these "difficult" issues are NEVER brought up by our not-so-highly esteemed members of the blgd regime, i wonder why.

i have said it before -- this promotion of unending partitioning, in my opinion, is not the answer. there will always be ethnic minorities within any given country, and that country needs to learn an effective and democratic way to deal with them, to deal with ALL of its citizens. that means Kosova, that means albania, that means serbia, that means bosnia, that means macedonia... you can partition forever, and never get it quite "clean." you can try to FORCE partition forever after, and continue never ending warfare. especially in the balkans.

i don't know if dacic speaks from his "heart" or is just a cheap sounding-board for the belgd regime. either way, we are not impressed.

the people of kosova will determine the future of kosova, thank you very much for your "help."

tung.
roberto frisco

I think the current borders are doing just well and Balkan haven't been as stable as it is right now.(Demi, 1 June 2011 12:30)

You think Kosovo is doing well? The Guardian is saying "Kosovo heads for ruin while its watchdog looks on"

open your third card mr dacic we have 2 votes this is to late this is albanian plan for 2 states in europe like germany and austria this is why we that for great albania to have 2 states u lost the war and u lost all 1999

You think Kosovo is doing well? The Guardian is saying "Kosovo heads for ruin while its watchdog looks on"
(Swede, 1 June 2011 13:23)

It's not the Guardian saying that, rather it's Andrea Capussela, a parasite who worked as Head of the Economic and Fiscal Affairs Unit of the International Civilian Office for almost 3 years, taking a salary in thousands of euros a month and now starts spewing crap on the same institution (among others) he was part of til was kicked out. If he was such a good person he would have talked while he was still working and receiving his thouands of euros per month wage.

Wow Serbia's politicians must really be getting desperate to talk about partitioning Kosovo between Albania and Serbia. This idea is a non-starter. First of all Kosovo has been recognized as an independent state by 75 countries including the US most EU members. It has set up state institutions which define it as an independent and sovereign state. The world community has made it clear that there will be no border changes to include minority groups living in other countries since this would lead to an endless amount of wars and frozen conflict all around the world which would paralyze the way our international order has been set up. Basically Kosovo will never be joined with Albania despite the fact that some Serbs and Albanians might wish for that to happen.

Now that Serbia increasingly is seen to have capitulated its claim to Kosovo and shown that it is desperate to resolve the "Kosovo problem" they really only have one choice and that is to recognize and independent Kosovo that has enhanced protection for the tiny Serbian minority. Once Serbia recognizes Kosovo both would be able to move forward on their path to development and Euro-Atlantic integration.

Another potential solution to Kosovo to be discussed, but this one also has the mischevous potential for splitting Albanian opinion and causing political conflicts in Pristina and Tirana.

This idea rather sweeps away the claim that Kos Albanians have compromised on Kosovo by agreeing not to become a part of Albania. This idea says 'ok, become part of Albania, but if the independent state of Kosovo was a compromise and now we have given you what you really wanted, you owe us something in return'.

Of course in reality an independent Kosovo was not a compromise at all for Kosovo Albanians, it was victory.

To take my Serbian cap off, I do think its time that Kos Albanian politicians / analysts come forward with possible compromise solutions of their own. Its not ideal for Kos Albanians that Serbia is setting the agenda for political discourse on Kosovo, even though Belgrade has little day to day control over it.

--It's typical! First they tried to expel the indigenous Albanian population from Kosova from their homes.... that didn't work... and now it 'dawned' on them that maybe they should’ve spoken to Tirana about the ‘problem’ in the first place!! And this is all coming from an SPS member who until very recently had a portrait of comrade Milosevic in his living room, probably still does!(adrian kola, 1 June)--

Comrade Milosevic, indeed! It is NOT up to dacic, tadic or anyone else in the blgd regime to decide what will happen in kosova. your country has caused enough misery already -- who is talking about that? who is taking about the 10 - 12,000 kosovar albanians that you (under milosevic) mass murdered? who is talking about the destruction of 100's of thousands of people's residences? of the rapes of girls and women by serbian forces? of the mass graves on SERBIAN soil? of the industrialized mass burnings of albanian men, women and children by serbian terror forces?? Link:

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somehow, these "difficult" issues are NEVER brought up by our not-so-highly esteemed members of the blgd regime, i wonder why.

i have said it before -- this promotion of unending partitioning, in my opinion, is not the answer. there will always be ethnic minorities within any given country, and that country needs to learn an effective and democratic way to deal with them, to deal with ALL of its citizens. that means Kosova, that means albania, that means serbia, that means bosnia, that means macedonia... you can partition forever, and never get it quite "clean." you can try to FORCE partition forever after, and continue never ending warfare. especially in the balkans.

i don't know if dacic speaks from his "heart" or is just a cheap sounding-board for the belgd regime. either way, we are not impressed.

the people of kosova will determine the future of kosova, thank you very much for your "help."

tung.
roberto frisco
(roberto, 1 June 2011 18:34)

The Kosova People are a Kenyan tribe, It is only right that they get local autonomy from the government.

In Kosovo however, Thanks to the sheer amount of lies you've stated, I dont think you deserve anything. Milosevic was charged with the deaths of not 10,000-12,000 K-Albs, but instead 730. The 10,000 Number includes all deaths resulting from that war, and is split at about 50% Albanian 50% non Albanian. The Mass Burnings was proven wrong long ago http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jun2002/trep-j28.shtml

Tell me, Why do the Albanians have a right to Kosovo considering they're crimes far outweighed that of the Serbs? and Why Do the Albanians South Determination; But The Serbs/Roma/Gorani ect do not?

Everything is preparing for another war in the Balkans...2015 ?

Now he suggests something new again. But without an explanation of who gets how much territory plus with Marty and with EULEX pursuing the organ-trafficking investigation and as long as Dacic isn't even involved negotiations - his statements amount to organized trolling for foreign consumption to give the appearance of disunity on our part to give false hope to Albanians.

Dacic you can try to manipulate us but you will never get Northern part of Kosovo. We know what you want!

Have Tadic ordered you to test the waters before Serbia goes on and recognize Kosovo? Somthing Serbia must do to get candidate status for EU. So now you want to get whatever you can get and that is Northern Kosovo. It's a failed mission!

Don't forget that the only legitimate representatives of Kosovo are in Prishtina and you know the adress. Ask Stefanovic what flag and policy they have at the table. They will tell you where the red line goes. As for your read lines it seem's that you cannot keep them.


Independent Kosovo will not stop to exist. Kosovo now works as a state. Just ask Tadic how he cannot go to important meetings because Kosovo President have advantage.


What happend to the serbian heart and soul and cradle to serbian civilazation ? Is it for sale now ?

You can say what you want, but at least Dacic dares to speak the unspeakable unlike his fellow colleagues.

Nevertheless, the question to partition Kosovo and distribute it to Serbia and Albania comes definitely to late. Belgrade should have come with this before the declaration of independence. Now, it wouldn't make sense because the political process such as recognition by dozens of countries is completed and by more ongoing. Giving Serbs special minority rights, as well as the assurance that Kosovo will not have an army. This is a compromise @bganon...

Vojvodina, being approx. 75% Serbian inhabited, has little chance of becoming Hungarian, my dear Albanian posters. Better you concentrate on your Kosova project. Looks like Thaci is going to have to step up his drug cartel, since the IMF is cutting his . . . 's off.

progresso..... Serbia is going to ask for 1,000,000,000 EUR loan from IMF.

Don't forget Kosovo is about to place a 10% tariff on Serbian imports.......that's going to affect at least 200mn EUR in trade. Things are about to get a whole lot worse for you people.


Thanks,

Do not bring Albania into this. They are an independent country that is in NATO and on its way to eu. But o do I agree with the idea of negotiations. Negotiate with prishtina over the annex of preshove valley to Kosova. It is much better and smarter and easier to do it now then to face the humiliation of losing whole of Kosov now only to have to deal with losing the preshove in a few years. Then the statement will be. Well back in 2011 we should have discussed preshove with Kosova, if we knew then what we know now.....

God Bless All

Why give away parts of kosovo when it's criminal government will fall apart by the end of this year? The IMF has just banned them from any more loans. HAHAHAHA

Dacic must be wrong in the head to make such a suggestion.

So it went from kosovo is serbia to kosovo is albania/serbia?
That a government person even suggest this is treason, It should be noted that those who fought for serbia is in the hague and those against is free to rule. Sad for all serbia give up your teretory,your freedom, your currency everything in order to jump on a sinking ship (the eu) witch many of its countries already stand in economic collapse and the rest has to bail them out.

Good idea, but 100 years late.
Now Kosovo has its own state,parlaiment and gonverment.
Talk to them not to Albania.
Secondly,why do you care if Kosovo survives or not?
We albanians want to survive,but if it doesn't Kosovo can join Albania.Is up to albanians in Kosova and Albania and not up to Belgrade.
Beware of Sandjak and Vojvodina because Kosova is gone.

you're starting to sound like highduke.
(Gustave, 1 June 2011 13:30)


Glad you mentioned highduke. I wonder where he is and what does he think about all this?
Ops, maybe he has not finished reading his fairy tail book yet,in order to make a comment.

The facts are that Partition has now been mentioned a few times by Serbia’s Deputy Prime Minister Ivica Dacic, and yes, there is more than 6% of Serbia Voters who want Partition and this will guarantee that the SPS remains in Parliament after the next Serbian Election.

Even the Ex-Yugoslav President Dobrica Cosic has assessed that the centuries long antagonism between the Serbs and the Albanians in Kosovo could only be Solved with a Permanent Partition.

It needs to be understood that there will be no way to please everyone, no matter what the proposal, and therefore, the SPS should not even try to please everyone.

At the moment, Serbia only has to Negotiate over Kosovo’s Final Status, but if the rest of the former Yugoslavia want to change their Borders by Agreement, then they are Legally Entitled to discuss it.

If we look at History, then we will say that all the Races of the former Yugoslavia have been losers, because after Tito, there should have been a Negotiated Settlement on the Borders.

I appears that several Races of the former Yugoslavia will continue to be losers if they do not Negotiate Border Changes; however, UNSCR 1244 speaks of the need to Negotiate a Final Status for Kosovo.

I do not want to hear that Kosovo is Independent, because otherwise the trolls here would not need to keep repeating it in order to deceive themselves.

Kosovo is legally Serbian Land, and anyone who disputes this should not even be listen to.

It needs to be fully understood by Everyone, that this is Only my Approximate Suggestions on what Partition of Kosovo Could look like, and that it is only one of several Possible Models.

My suggestions should in no way reflect on the Official Serbian Government Position, and also the Position of the Overwhelming Majority of Serbian Voters who may be wiling only Recognize an Independent 67% Kosovo, under certain conditions.

Perhaps an Opinion Poll should be Conducted to find what the True Level of Support there is among the Kosovo Albanians to the notion of Partition, rather than listening to the few Albanians who write comments on this Website.

The Offer of Partition for Serbia’s Albanians will allow the Albanians to move on, and the Albanians should not try to be too clever by half, by trying to suggest that the Serbian People are the ones that are Racist by proposing Partition as an Option.

Honesty among all the Serbian People and the Albanian People is essential if the Negotiations are to be successful.

Serbia should by all means default on all of its Loans to the IMF, the World Bank, and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, and borrowing the Money from Other Sources, because this is Compensation for Serbia.

The main Obstacle is that America and their other Politically Correct European Union Crowd are against the Partition of Kosovo because of Ideological Reasons.

It will require a United Effort by the Serbs and the Albanians to tell the World that we do not care what the World thinks, and that this is our land, and that Foreigners are only here to Exploit the People, and that they should Immediately Go Home.

Serbia would want the area where the Battle of Kosovo was fought centuries ago, and there would be other places that would be connected to Serbia by a thick enough land corridor and the Serbs will want Camp Bondsteel for a Tourist Luxury Motel Complex.

The Funds for conducting this would be by Serbia defaulting on all of its Loans to the IMF, the World Bank, and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, and borrowing the Money from Other Sources.

Even if it is decided by the Albanians that Reintegration with Serbia is what is Desired, then Serbia will need the Funds for this, and Defaulting on All existing Loans is what will be needed.

This means that whatever the future may hold, it is the Proper Policy for Serbia to Default on all of its current Loans, because It Is Just The Right Thing To Do Under Any Future Circumstances.

The Entire United Nation General Assembly Voted that the lives of People of Serbia and Kosovo should be improved.

This can only be done by a Negotiated Settlement, and Regardless of What that Might Be, it will need to be funded with Defaults on all of Serbia’s current Loans.

prime minister Thaci said today that, if Serbia insists to open this subject we will, but Serbia is not going to win. WW1 the Kosovo boarder was in Nis NOW we know where it is! you have Presevo and Medvegje valleys which are all Albanian (if you lose that you lose the southern part of Serbia (corridor 6). I know Belgrade is trying their last resort to try and salvage some part of Kosovo, but unfortunately that is 12,000 people too late!

Maybe this issue would have been relevant in the early 90s or late 80s when Ibrahim Rugova was requesting Kosovo to become a republic under former Yugoslavia, but then and until recently Belgrade's stance was that Kosovo was the cradle of Serbia and now you want to take the top of the cradle and go to sleep! doesn't work like that!

by the way this isnt coming from Dacic this is coming from the Serbian Government, even President Tadic fell short of saying that Serbia will accept any Partition solution, therfore they are happy to close the issue but want to save their face as they all pledged to never give up Kosovo, they want a little bit of it now not all. lol

Although I believe that Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia, I do believe that parition would also be a good idea. However it baffles me when Albanians on this websites commentary say that Vojvodina and Sandzak will secede from Serbia if talk of partition is brought up. Do you Albanians know that Vojvodina is 65% Serbian and that the other 35% is divided between 10 different minorities who do not make a significant part of the population at all? Hungarians make up only 12% of Vojvodina! Did you also know that Sandzak is half Serbian and half Bosnian? So I dont see how Vojvodina and Sandzak will ever secede being that Vojvodina has an absolute Serbian majority and Sandzak a relative Serbian majority. Back to partition of Kosovo however. I believe Kosovo should be partitioned, however the partition should not be limited to north of the Ibar River. Serbs should be given 5 enclaves in Kosovo that will remain a part of Serbia and the rest of Kosovo will become independent.

These enclaves should be:

1. Northern Kosovo (This would include Leposavic, Zubin Potok, Zvecan, Northern Mitrovica)

2. Sar Planina (This would include Strpce, the south-eastern part of the Prizren municipality, the Serbian quarter of prizren, and the town of korisa)

3. Gracanica (This would include Gracanica, Laplje Selo, Suvi Do, Caglavica, the Gazimestan battlefield, the southern part of Kosovo Polje, and northern Lipljan.)

4. Metohija (This would include the area west and south of the city of Pec, Gorzadevac, and the area north and west of the town of Decani.)

5. Novo Brdo (This would include Novo Brdo, the northern part of the Gnjilane municipality, Ranilug, and western Kamenica.

This is a good plan becaue the Serbs would keep all of their major enclaves and all of their major cultural sites such as Gracanica Monastery, Decani Monastery, Pec Partiarchate, Bogordica ljeviska, and the Gazimestan battlefield. The Albanians would also recieve land in southern Serbia. They would recieve the entire Presevo municipality, half of Bujanovac, and the part of Medvedja where Albanians live. These lands would join an indepepdent Kosovo. Serbia would give Kosovo unlimited recognition as a sovereign and independent state. Serbia would also pay reparations to the Kosovo Albanians whose family members died in the 99' war in exchange for Albanians rebuilding the 150 Monasteries burnt down and launching a reliable investigation into the organ trade.

This is a good plan because it would help put the issue of Kosovo behind and give both the Serbs and Albanians what they want. The Serbs would keep their most important cultural sites and major enclaves. The Albanians would get land in the Presevo valley and Indepedence recognized by Serbia. The partition must not however be limited to the Ibar River as I mentioned before since a majority of Serbs live south of the river and most of the cultural sites are south of the river as well. The Serbian refugee population mut also be taken into consideration, as there are 205,000 Serbs from Kosovo waiting to move back. These Serbs need a home and therefore would be moved to the new enclaves in Kosovo which would remain a part of Serbia. This is why partition can not be limited to north of the Ibar. Although Kosovo would recieve full indepedence recognized by Serbia, in the plan they would be allowed to hold a referendum to decide if they wanted to join Albania which would be accepted by the international community as long as it was accepted in the referendum.

This is an excellent plan for peace in Kosovo and i sth eonly foreeable solution to the issue.

Just a word of advice, Kosovo is doing just fine......say hello to the embargo June 20th, 2011 (20.06.2011)...Koso

Wrong, my friend. "Kosova" is doing horribly. Just read the story about money being cut off to Pristina on this site today, and then re-evalute your statement.

I have an idea. why don't albanians STAY in ALBANIA! thats a country, right?

Such a movement would destabilize Albania as well as Serbia and would throw back them for decades, if not centuries (let alone Bosnia, Montenegro and Macedonia, which would cease to exist, anyway not so peacefully as sb. could wish). It's a well-known fact that national minorities in countries affected by nationalism incline towards the reactionary, populist, backward-forces in their (supposed) mother-states. History has always proved it.
That's perfectly the case of both Serbia and Albania. Just check the electoral preferences of Kosovo-Albanians, Bosnian Serbs and Kosovo-Serbs in their supposed mother-states. Such a move would most probably block permanently any kind of political evolution towards European values and would yield instead a kind of Erdogan/Putin-like political system in the Balcan (which in that case wouldn't remain limited to Serbia and Albania).
Poprosing such a solution means the de jure and de facto separation of the Balcan from European values and bringing it back to its past. Who has to benefit from it?

Well, it´s said that the distance between 2 points is a straight line but the human being continues testing this axiom, so is comprehensible the speech of Dacic like more a test for the road map for the final truth (perhaps a curve line can works he thinks). Serbia is fat of neighbor´s lands and demonstrated unable of hold it in a multi ethnic society, the medieval landlord is the only politic view understood by the Serbian elite, Tadic had the last chance with the European path for abandon the terrible past of the “great Serbia” on build a Balkan web of states capable of live together and collaborate with the others on a pan European perspective but Jeremic soon convinced him that the “diplomatic weapon” was very weapon for create the “milosevic´s dream” of a Serbian owning the Balkans lost on battlefield, now mladics, organ traffic, Tibet and so on is only the twisted line for reach the final point and it is devolution of the Vojvodina to Hungary, Slavonia to Croatia, Kosova, Presevo Valley to Albania, acceptance of Bosnia, Macedonia and Montenegro like a real state with no possibility of Serbian minorities stall its and devolution of Bulgarian and Romania lands for its owners and the stopping of Serbian minority in Slovakia and Romania trying destabilize these countries, Serbians living abroad need live respecting the law of the hosting countries or move back to Serbia.
The Balkan´s future is a region fully integrated on Europe constituted by sovereign states able to make politic cultural and economic ties with others, NOT a collection of semi-states with minorities´ mobs permitting only Serbia functioning and trying win the control of entire region by selling “stability”, the idea that impose the the actual countries like political reality is negate the multicultural society environment is a misunderstanding, different races and religions can live together but no country can exist being defied by a racial minority can want turn it on a possession of their original country.
The Balkans free of “Serbian Stabilization” started, the path will be fully of Serbian cries but the final point will be reached, there are no option.

NewYorkObserver - the last time the US tacitly encouraged a side to retake territory by force, Georgia lost Abkhazia and South Ossetia. If Pristina were to try to resolve the matter by force, Serbia would have no choice but to step in. This would certainly lead to the permanent partition of Kosovo. If Pristina starts this, don't expect NATO to bail it out this time. The myth of the 'good war' in Kosovo has now been exposed for the nonsense that it always was. There is no great sympathy for the Kosovo Albanians any more. Public opinion will not be on your side if you decide to start another war.

Also, don't forget that the majority of the world does not recognise Kosovo. Under these circumstances, whereby the KAs had tried to create a fait accompli by military means, any hopes of further recognitions would be severely limited. Kosovo would not only be divided, in itself no bad thing, it would also remain a protectorate for a very long time. (In this case, your only way out would be to join Albania.)

Really, it would be a monumentally stupid move.

Not the goverment of Albania in Tirana wich cannot force anything on Kosovo or it's multi ethnic people there.
(Demi, 1 June 2011 12:30)

Huh? Where did you read that Tirana wants to force something on Kosovo? Take a deep breath and control your emotions, you're starting to sound like highduke.

I think that Serbia and Albania should start talking and agree to divide between them Hungary.Since Serbia is closer it can get bigger part of it ,like 60%, and Albania 40%.After Hungary they can divide Romania and Bulgaria,and if so far so good,why not divide Kosova and maybe Macedonia.
I think the biggest disagreement will be when Serbia will bring up the slicing of Montenegro.What do you think?

I look forwards to comments which suggest other crazy ideas about re-shaping the boarders of Europe. "If X gets to have this lands then Y should have this land." Bosnia is going to get destroyed in these comments. I bet Croatia, Macedonia and Montenegro get dragged into this also.

Lets not lose focus on the tasks at hand. We still have more roaches on the run like Goran Hadzic! He too will be brought to justice! One by one they all fall down with Serbias cooperation or not. Serbia can sit around and play hot potato with the topic of Kosova as much as they want. All the Serbs do is find a new face like Dacic to mention some new nonsense to confuse their own citizens and make them feel as if they are getting somewhere. Serbia has no coherent plan, because if they did they would let the Serbian citizens know how this will all pan out in the end. You know Serbia is boxed into a corner when they have to begin giving up their national hero's like Mladic. Even the mentioning of "partition" is a sign of weakness on Serbia's part. They would have NEVER mentioned it before. Time to recognize Kosova sooner rather than later.

seems like Mr.Dacic is repeatedly trying to signal towards the USofA " readiness " to settle the problem, before the US totaly lose grip and the Tadic-Regime leaves office for another, rather patriotic one.

I think, there is nothing to be partitioned, it´s all serbian territory. so much for any phantasies about illyrian descent and similar absurdities.

furthermore, I really hope the USofA stay arrogant as they are in the last two decades, and do not comply with these pro-western ideas in the Tadic-regime. Serbia is on the way to become the motor of the region, we all know that, okay, except some k-albanian kiddies here, who still believe to be a "state" and the fairy tales they are reading in the k-albanian yellow-press.

the US are on the decline, it could be seen again a few days ago, when Mr.Obama visited Poland, just a week or two after Poland declared itself the leader of the new Visegrad-group, what is a direct devitalization of US-american power within NATO.

it could be seen also in the little fact that Lech Walesa did not attend to meet with Mr.Obama, and with allegedly having said, that he does not intend to meet him that there is no need to meet with Mr.Obama.

well, quite another discrete slap in the face of the " one and only global superpower " as one rather naive k-albanian kid here once has called the USofA.

given that the US will continue to lose authority and political power in the future, this conduct by the current regime in Belgrade can only be seen as attempted high treason.

I really hope, the Tadic-regime will not get away with that.

finally,Serbia will prevail, and every phoney business that these figures in the Tadic-regime try to make, is invalid and illegal.

Serbia´s constitution is to be respected. and time works for Serbia, so, as long as no one from within is worsening the situation, we have all reason to be optimistic.

All Serbia has to do is maintain its current political and economic strangulation of Kosovo. Patience, and no partition. Emigration is certain. Kosovo is Serbia.

Dacic:"And are there different Albanians living in Priština and Tirana?" Once upon a time you supported idea that in Tirana "Albanians" are living, while in Prishtina "Arnauti" even "Arbanasi".

We finally managed to convert some of the Serbian political elite to the "Greater Albania" project. I knew that our presence in B92 site would start showing results soon, but I wouldn't have imagined we'd get the deputy PM. Love it!

I agree with Dacic, Kosova should be united with Albania, but in its entirety. If Serbia has an interest in N Kosova we can swap Leposavic for Presheva valley. Why do you want Presheva valley anyway? In Leposavic you have lots and lots of minerals, all Presheva has is the farmer's market.

While the idea of separation sounds good to all parties. It will never work. Dacic can forget about talking to Tirana about seperation. The Serb govermnent was told many times that the correct address is Prishtina. Will Albanians ever agree to splitting Kosovo in return for nothing. Absolutely not. Would Albanians ever agree to split Kosovo in return for Presheva, Medvegje and Bujanovc perhpahs yes ....but will the main sponsor the US and will Serbia agree to it. I doubt that very much.

So you are back at the stalemate until one day US runs out of patience and orders the goverment of Kosovo to take the north by force. I hate to say this bluntly but please remember Knin. When all else fails unfortunately its the mighty force that seems to win the argument. Then all of sudden its fate accompli. Albanians are in total control of the entire Kosovo. Yes Serbia will complain and jump up and down but that is all that it can do. Attacking Kosovo with thousands of NATO troops stationed there is not an option.

So, Dacic knows this very well and is offering these solutions not out of the goodness of the heart but because simply there are no other better offers that Serbia can extract out of Kosovar side.

Nothing is impossible.

How funny is this? Just a few months ago we heard from our Albanian friends here how KiM and Albania will unite into one country but now, as soon as a Serbian mentions it they are completely against it! It's like playing with a bunch of children.

Personally, I don't have an issue with partition but I've always maintained that it should be applied across all of the former YU. We can't just divide KiM and think that all will be solved. The Albanians in FYROM will start to get funny ideas and so will Serbians in CG, BiH and Croatia. Well, then so will Bosnian Muslims in Sandzak and Croatians in BiH.

So the way I see it, OK, lets divide KiM between Serbians and Albanians. Lets divide FYROM between Albanians and FYROMians. Lets divide Croatia between Serbians and Croatian and then Bosnia between Serbians, Croatians and the Muslims. Finally parts of Sandzak will go to the Bosnian Muslims.

Now net gainers are Albanians and Serbians. Croatia probably ends up with the same area while Montenegrins, Bosnian Muslims and FYROMians end up with less and will become unsustainable entities. In that case the three entities should unite with Serbia to create a sustainable state.

But this won't happen because the US and UK keep meddling into other people's affairs.

''Now net gainers are Albanians and Serbians. Croatia probably ends up with the same area while Montenegrins, Bosnian Muslims and FYROMians end up with less and will become unsustainable entities. In that case the three entities should unite with Serbia to create a sustainable state.

But this won't happen because the US and UK keep meddling into other people's affairs.
(Zoran, 1 June 2011 19:05) ''

Zoran i like your idea, but you forget Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria...they have some belongings in Serbia that they would like to have back...as for the rest, Albania and Serbia should have made this deal back in 1990s, after the 1999 war there is no chance in at least 100 years that serbs and albanians agree on anything, as crazy as a it is, a scenario where Serbs and Albanians are allies would have screwed muslims and croats very badly, milosevic could have used the war machine at full against croats and bosnians instead of keeping part of the army on alert in Kosovo. At the same time, Albanians couldn't care less about issues between slavs.

Hey Zoran, why give Sandjak to the Bosnians? They are Albanians. Basicly, any region that sorrounds the Alps or what we call as the Albanian Apls, have Albanian blood, even though they might speak a funny accent of slavic ,and by blood , the people around those areas, are more Albanian than any other Albanian speaking in other regions.

When Dacic was working for Milosevic he didn't want to talk to Kosovo Albanians, let alone Albania. Milosevic is turning in his grave.

It's typical! First they tried to expel the indigenous Albanian population from Kosova from their homes.... that didn't work... and now it 'dawned' on them that maybe they should’ve spoken to Tirana about the ‘problem’ in the first place!! And this is all coming from an SPS member who until very recently had a portrait of comrade Milosevic in his living room, probably still does!

It's not fair to burden Albania with the mess of Kosovo. The Albanian state doesn't deserve to be destabilized by corrupt clans. The best would be: No more financial support, no more donor money for Kosovo and the corrupt government (just like the IMF proposed, see another article from today here) and simply wait what will happen to Kosovo.

Mr. Roberto, you say that partition is not the answer, but you won't admit that is exactly what Kosovo "independence" is -- the partitioning of Serbia along ethnic lines -- Kosovo is the most "ethnically pure" region in Europe @ 98%...care to discuss further?

"Serbia should by all means default on all of its Loans to the IMF, the World Bank, and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, and borrowing the Money from Other Sources, because this is Compensation for Serbia."

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"The Funds for conducting this would be by Serbia defaulting on all of its Loans to the IMF, the World Bank, and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, and borrowing the Money from Other Sources."

"Even if it is decided by the Albanians that Reintegration with Serbia is what is Desired, then Serbia will need the Funds for this, and Defaulting on All existing Loans is what will be needed."

"This means that whatever the future may hold, it is the Proper Policy for Serbia to Default on all of its current Loans, because It Is Just The Right Thing To Do Under Any Future Circumstances. "


:):):):).
I suspect you are an Albanian writing first grade sarcasm. Right?
If not, it's even funnier when you think that you are serious about the above statements.

Vojvodina has traditionally (for generatoins) been a multi-ethnic society and province of Serbia. Why not Kosovo?

"So you are back at the stalemate until one day US runs out of patience ..."
(NewYorkobserver, 1 June 2011 17:16)

Yes, probably one day EU, US and all other donors will run out of patience and demand that Kosovo will finally become 'independent', which means not depending on donor money any more, to clean itself from the corrupt and cleptocratic government, figh the organized crime (where, usually, Kosovarian politicians or their clan buddies are involved) and finally adapt to European democratic values instead of ancient clan loyality.

Wow...I'm actually speechless. Looking forward to reading comments on this topic.

Isn't it nice to see that Dacic has managed to unite Serbian and Albanian posters?
Both sides are unitedly opposing his ideas. If he goes on like this he will create a new era of eternal peace... well as long as his next move isn't to proclaim Albania is Serbia (K-Albanians= according to Serbia Serbian citizens, Kosovo united with Albania= Serbian citizens living in Albania, wherever a Serb lives is Serbia etc. etc.)

"I sincerely hope it never comes to that in the North of Kosovo however with thousands of NATO troops stationed in Kosovo and with the large American base in Gjilane I sincerely doubt that Serbia would try to intervene militarily as it will face a total annihaliton by the American and NATO forces."

New York Observer,

Are you some CIA rookie or a summer intern? You must take great pride that your bully country, that only dares to attack small and military weak countries, dreams itself in a situation that if Serbs in Northern Kosovo would be attacked by the new KLA and the Serb army would come to their rescue that you and your NATO thugs will again bomb Serbia and destroy its entire military capability. You can be sure if Tadic would prevent the Serb army from intervening that the Serb army would get rid of your puppet Tadic in no time. Why don't you spread you rubbish and spin imagination on a site that is more appropriate.

This position appears to be designed to split the Alb community and to gain some Alb acceptance to the idea of partition.

Marko comes late to Kosovo. Again.

And as for the Vishegrad Four - their purpose is to establish a special bond with the Americans, since they have doubts about Old Europe's resolution when it comes to Russia. This was a Havel initiative, and he certainly wasn't one to turn his back on the Americans. Obama promised them F-16's and C-130's (not stationing them in Poland, yet, but regular training exercises. Why do you think Gasparic had to find some way to be there?

Zorane,

How about dividing Serbia between Albania, Hungary, Croatia, and Bosnia?

Maybe you forgot to mention this alternative.

JIM "Also, don't forget that the majority of the world does not recognise Kosovo. Under these circumstances, whereby the KAs had tried to create a fait accompli by military means, any hopes of further recognitions would be severely limited. Kosovo would not only be divided, in itself no bad thing, it would also remain a protectorate for a very long time. (In this case, your only way out would be to join Albania.)

Really, it would be a monumentally stupid move".

Jim, You can never be certain of any outcome once the shooting starts. I recall right before Croatia attacked Krajina, so much noise was being made that Serbia was coming to the rescue and will have two states at war. Those claims never materialized and Knin was lost forever.

I sincerely hope it never comes to that in the North of Kosovo however with thousands of NATO troops stationed in Kosovo and with the large American base in Gjilane I sincerely doubt that Serbia would try to intervene militarily as it will face a total annihaliton by the American and NATO forces. Also the government in Prishtina would never on its own send a force without the tacit blessing of Washington. Kosovo is recognized by the most powerfull nations in the face of the earth. As such Kosovo has a right to control its borders. Georgia and Kosovo are two different animals and you know that.

We both could be right and wrong at the same time as we are both speculating on future events however it is a scenario that politicians in Belgrade must take into account. The status quo can not remain as is and the American & European patience is wearing thin with Serbia's inability to provide any sense of stability in the Balkans. The world is tired of hearing the line Kosovo is Serbia. Now is the time to come up with concrete proposals. When it comes to dealing with Kosovo nothing has changed in Serbia it is simply put an extensions of Milosevic era policies. The rest of the world knows that Milosevic mentality still prevails all over Serbia unfortunately when it comes to dealing with its neighbors. Somthing has to give in. In this case Serbia has to give in like or not.

Wow Serbia's politicians must really be getting desperate to talk about partitioning Kosovo between Albania and Serbia. This idea is a non-starter. First of all Kosovo has been recognized as independent by 75 countries including the US most EU members. It has set up state institutions which define it as independent . The world community has made it clear that there will be no border changes to include minority groups living in other countries since this would lead to an endless amount of wars and frozen conflict all around the world which would paralyze the way our international order has been set up. Basically Kosovo will never be joined with Albania despite the fact that some Serbs and Albanians might wish for that to happen.

Now that Serbia increasingly is seen to have capitulated its claim to Kosovo and shown that it is desperate to resolve the "Kosovo problem" they really only have one choice and that is to recognize and independent Kosovo that has enhanced protection for the tiny Serbian minority. Once Serbia recognizes Kosovo both would be able to move forward on their path to development and Euro-Atlantic integration.
(Fred, 1 June 2011 21:03)
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Recommend (+6)Poor comment (-13)What's thisWhy give away parts of kosovo when it's criminal government will fall apart by the end of this year? The IMF has just banned them from any more loans. HAHAHAHA
(JohnBoy, 1 June 2011 20:37)
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Recommend (+10)Poor comment (-5)What's thisseems like Mr.Dacic is repeatedly trying to signal towards the USofA " readiness " to settle the problem, before the US totaly lose grip and the Tadic-Regime leaves office for another, rather patriotic one.

I think, there is nothing to be partitioned, it´s all serbian territory. so much for any phantasies about illyrian descent and similar absurdities.

furthermore, I really hope the USofA stay arrogant as they are in the last two decades, and do not comply with these pro-western ideas in the Tadic-regime. Serbia is on the way to become the motor of the region, we all know that, okay, except some k-albanian kiddies here, who still believe to be a "state" and the fairy tales they are reading in the k-albanian yellow-press.

the US are on the decline, it could be seen again a few days ago, when Mr.Obama visited Poland, just a week or two after Poland declared itself the leader of the new Visegrad-group, what is a direct devitalization of US-american power within NATO.

it could be seen also in the little fact that Lech Walesa did not attend to meet with Mr.Obama, and with allegedly having said, that he does not intend to meet him that there is no need to meet with Mr.Obama.

well, quite another discrete slap in the face of the " one and only global superpower " as one rather naive k-albanian kid here once has called the USofA.

given that the US will continue to lose authority and political power in the future, this conduct by the current regime in Belgrade can only be seen as attempted high treason.

I really hope, the Tadic-regime will not get away with that.

finally,Serbia will prevail, and every phoney business that these figures in the Tadic-regime try to make, is invalid and illegal.

Serbia´s constitution is to be respected. and time works for Serbia, so, as long as no one from within is worsening the situation, we have all reason to be optimistic.
(Jovan, 1 June 2011 20:21)
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Recommend (+10)Poor comment (-3)What's thisMr. Roberto, you say that partition is not the answer, but you won't admit that is exactly what Kosovo "independence" is -- the partitioning of Serbia along ethnic lines -- Kosovo is the most "ethnically pure" region in Europe @ 98%...care to discuss further?
(JC, 1 June 2011 20:06)
The exact makeup is hard to determine since Serbia advised Serbs to not cooperate with the recent census. However 2009 estimates are 88& Albanian while Serbia is 83% Serbian. Not exactly a big enough gap for discussion!

This man needs to get his head examined or taken off. Serbia is in a sad state of affairs if this man can make such statements and sit as deputy prime minister, he should be charged with treason for this.

I bet Croatia, Macedonia and Montenegro get dragged into this also.
(Ian, UK, 1 June 2011 12:06)

That's true Ian, but also we can't forget that it won't end there. You've got almost million Albanians in Maceodnia. Greece will definately make their move into Southern Macedonia, Bulgaria into Eastern Serbia and Turkey won't be watching either. They(Dacic and co) are trying to destabilize NATO countries in the region.

This guy is a little confused and very contradictory in what he says.First he says that Albanians in Pristina are not different from those in Tirana and then says that ethnic Albanians of Kosovo are Albania's national minority.If we are the same people how can we be each others minority?Only Kosovo Albanians can negotiate for themselves and their fate, they are the ones that went through hell.The biggest mistake that Dacic makes is that he ignores that Kosovo Albanians exist. Big mistake.

I think that Serbia and Albania should start talking and agree to divide between them Hungary.Since Serbia is closer it can get bigger part of it ,like 60%, and Albania 40%.After Hungary they can divide Romania and Bulgaria,and if so far so good,why not divide Kosova and maybe Macedonia.
I think the biggest disagreement will be when Serbia will bring up the slicing of Montenegro.What do you think?
(delon, 2 June 2011 00:31)


I just wanted to thank you for this humor. Is by far the best I have heard in years. ...
I mean it.
Thank you!

Like so many things Dacic’s proposal could be classified as “too little, too late”. The tragedy of Serbia comes from the double standards it adopted in 1990 with the vain hope that the International community will give its support. Remember when Serbia insisted that “The internationally recognized borders were sacred, while the borders between the Yugo Republics were only administrative once.” So Albanians, Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, etc living “on the territory of Serbia” had no to accept this as their fate, but the Serbs living in “significant numbers” on the territory of Croatia and BiH had a legitimate right to “remain in Yugoslavia”, should those republics secede. The belief that both the “right” and the “might” are on their side, Serbs provoked a series of wars and lost them all. Giving most of Kosovo to Albania in the early 90s in return for Albanian support for Krajna… could have worked. Now the only thing Sebia could negotiate is some “special interests” in Kosovo, perhaps the exchange of Presevo for Mitrovica. The Obama formula for the Middle East – the borders of 1967 to serve as a basis, corrected with mutually agreed exchanges is applicable.
As for Vojvodina, a transfer of a quarter of the province to Hungary, while incorporating the remaining three quarters as integral part of Serbia is today probably a practical solution. Add to this a small transfer to Macedonia (the Prohor Pchinski monastery) and to Bulgaria – the Pagan Monastery… and Serbia may end up with a regional alliance supporting RS’s right of self determination. But most probably Serbia will reach such a conclusion when it is too late. And it could be again: ”could’ve would’ve should’ve, but I didn’t”

Zoran i like your idea, but you forget Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria...they have some belongings in Serbia that they would like to have back...
(iliri, 1 June 2011 23:52)
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And that is the problem with division along ethnic lines. If Hungary is involved then you get Slovakia and Romania involved as they have large Hungarian minorities. It is the precedent this can of worms creates and that is the reason independence of KiM has been rejected by so much of the world.

When it comes to Vojvodina we can forget about Romania as they have small pockets while there are also pockets of Serbians in Romania. As for Hungarians there are some areas but they have been leaving in large numbers since Hungary joined the EU. This is the ethnic composition in 2002 and since then many Hungarians have left -> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Vojvodina_ethnic2002.jpg

As for Sandzak, this has a majority Serbian/Montenegrin composition with a tiny Albanian area (see brown bit at bottom). The Muslims have a reasonable area http://www.rastko.rs/istorija/srbi-balkan/img/raska1b.jpg but it's not connected to BiH.

As you can see by the ethnic composition in the former YU http://www.trajkovic.rs/Engleski/comments/slike/karta_v_en.jpg only Slovenia was clean. It was inevitable that war would start during the forced breakup of the former YU without negotiations. Germany forced the issue and is largely responsible.

As for hate spreaders like roberto who deal in hypocrisy, offer nothing but division amongst our people. He is an American Jew with major issues in his homeland of Israel, such as genocide, but comes over to the Balkans to stir trouble. The sooner people like him leave us alone the sooner we can come to an agreement amongst ourselves.

JC - spot on! This is always the simple answer to those who now sing the praises of multiethnic states in the Balkans. If you are so keen on this, then why partition Serbia? (The argument that the conflict made continued Serb rule impossible is rubbish. Does the US apply this same logic to South Ossetia and Abkhazia?) But I wouldn't wait around too long for an answer from Roberto. Fortunately for him, unswerving bigotry does not require a capacity for rational thought.

Fred, it totally sounds like you work for the U.S. State Department. Just sayin'...

Hell why not. Serbia can stand on its own two feet, where Kosovo has an international crutch keeping thiet head just above the water line. The only true multiethnic country in the Balkans is Serbia. Where as all the other countries are almost ethnically pure and divided along major ethnic lines .

Look at the message, not at the messenger. Attacks ad hominem on Dacic are useless and not helpful to this question. It does not matter what he was saying before, or when he was with Milosevic, people's positions change. It matters what he is saying now and what that could mean for the future. Oh wait, the policy of the Serbian government is for agreements but for verbal agreements. Tadic is bound by a constitution Kostunica changed in a second, and Serbian parliament voted in a majority. Now that is in writing (still) and it has signatures on it. As a sign of good faith, I would ask the Serbian parliament to change the constitution.

@Amer:

I am afraid you are wrong.

the socalled Visegrad group, or the Visegrad four, how you put it, and indeed some do it call that way too, was aimed at supporting and enhancing further european integrations back in 1991, respectively 1993 after the dissolution of Czechoslovakia.

so, what you have written, that their purpose is to establish a special bond to the USofA, well, you may go on believing that, but the mere fact that Poland is taking over the leadership of that socalled Battlegroup, which is not foreseen by NATO-command-structures, speaks for a clearly different development than you might wish to realize it.

>>" This was a Havel initiative, and he certainly wasn't one to turn his back on the Americans."

you might be wrong here, too. but that´s not that important, actually.

the mere fact, that they agreed to form a battlegroup under polish leadership, is a very interesting development, since it shows that they do not trust the USofA in terms of staying their close ally against Russia in the future and in regard to possible changes, geopolitical changes between the US and Russia.

they, my dear Amer, are much smarter than the average k-albanian kiddie in here, who is not getting tired of repeating the rather naive mantra of "friendship" between the USofA and "kosovaaah".

given that the USofA have let down a lot of their "friends" before, for instance the Shah in Persia, or the Mossadegh-Regime in the latter Iran or even Saddam Hussein in Iraq, you should rather be concerned calling the US your "friends", I guess.


that the ministers of the V4 agreed to hold military execises under the "auspices of NATO Response Force" how it is written in the wikipedia-article about the Visegrad Group is more of kinda "make up" to let it look like everything is fine.

but actually, NATO is weakended by this move, since the Battlegroup-idea is not in the interest of the USofA for obvious reasons. what they want and what NATO is based on is a central command. well, and there we have the loss of authority of the USofA. I hope you understand what I am telling you, without jumping around and rejecting the use of your own brains...

furthermore, there is something else, I would call a good development:

german chancellor Mrs.Merkel, who in the wake of the japanese fukushima-disaster has now chosen to abandon nuclear power in Germany by 2022, has paved the way for a much more profound change in europe than many do realize today. that means a clear shift in energy politics and a further opening to renewable energies and at the same time an opening towards energy deliveries from the east, and I think I do not have to explain to you, who that might be that is sitting on enormous energy-resources.

and since the development in Germany might be interesting for other european countries too, whose populations do not wish to extend nuclear energy in their countries, (if the exit from nuclear power in Germany proves to be feasible, and for now, there is no reason to believe it´s not) that could lead to a much better situation in terms of international security than NATO is currently offering.

my dear friend Amer, you´re not only wrong in regard to the Visegrad four, you also do not see that things are developing, and I do not see that the USofA will be the eternal "friend" of Germany when it comes to the question of the own energy supply.

I´ll cut it short now: the Visegrad Group´s military reasserting is certainly not a glamourous victory for the USofA. and, wow, they are offering some F-16 jets? well then, everything will be fine, right?

you wish.