Ratko Mladić extradited to Hague Tribunal

OK, Let me see if I get this straight, Mladic is accused of murdering 8000 muslim CIVILIANS in Bosnia during a CIVIL war - rules of the game are: kill or be killed? RIGHT ?

OK, gee whizz I am confused, can anyone please give me a list of
at least 3 generals from the US/UK who were put on trial
over INTENTIONAL "bombing" of hundreds of thousands of muslims in Afganistan/Pakistan etc in the name "of finding" a former CIA agent named Binney L? I am only listing RECENT bombings of muslims, I have a list of many more countries!!

Death penalty is too little for this monster.

Even his daughter could not believe what a criminal father she had. The BBC reported today that:

"Ana Mladic committed suicide in 1994 aged 23, reportedly shooting herself with her father's favourite pistol after she read about his alleged crimes in a magazine."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13598590

Sad that these types of people become Serbian heroes!

And thats it as far as the Serbian political context of Ratko Mladic goes.

Now he returns to the pages of the world media and will cause one last gathering of journalists at the Hague.

I've just awoken from a Serbian style siesta having fallen asleep to a repeat of Utisak Nedelje that was on the Mladic issue so missed the extradiction circus.

And I think that most Serbians will be as apathetic to his extradiction as I was.

Thats Mladic, now all we need is to strike a deal on Kosovo and we are done.

Scary prospect becoming a boring, normal country and even though we will be more interesting than most, but it will happen.

"Sad that these types of people become Serbian heroes!
(Creative Rationality, 31 May 2011 13:59)"

Not a Serbian hero, a Nationalist hero. There is a big difference.

Too bad ;)

"Every country's hero is another country's war criminal. Think about it."
(Daniel, 31 May 2011 15:03)

It might be like that in the Balkans. What about Ghandi in India?

"Ana Mladic committed suicide in 1994 aged 23, reportedly shooting herself with her father's favourite pistol after she read about his alleged crimes in a magazine."

Sad that these types of people become Serbian heroes!
(Creative Rationality, 31 May 2011 13:59)
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How do they know she committed suicide after reading about his alleged crimes? Did they interview her?

Also, who are the Albanian heroes? Organ snatchers, drug traffickers, people smugglers and terrorists?

Matthew 7.1-5

Judge not, that you not be judged. For with the judgment that you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, "Let me take the speck out of your eye," when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

So the last hours of which Mladic spent in Serbia for the rest of his lifetime, at the grave of his daughter who couldn't stand a life in which she realized that her father was a savage butcher.

The proper end of an dishonorable man and stigma to a nation which calls this pathetic wreck a "hero".

The idea that his daughter committed suicide because she read of her father's "war crimes" really is absolutely abusrd, she suffered from psychological problems including severe depression, yet another example of the BBC twisting the truth, it really is disgraceful, unfortunately so many people will blindly believe this.

Sad that these types of people become Serbian heroes!
(Creative Rationality, 31 May 2011 13:59)
Every country's hero is another country's war criminal. Think about it.

It might be like that in the Balkans. What about Ghandi in India?
(Top, 31 May 2011 15:30)

You what? Gandhi was an appalling character, all that wandering round with no trousers on to try to convince the British that India was too much of a backwards dump to ever civilise properly. It worked too, more's the pity, since we almost managed to civilise Ireland over 800 years so India ought to have been relatively easy task with a bit more time.

@ Patrik:
Not a Serbian hero, a Nationalist hero. There is a big difference.
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Ok, ok .. So what do you call all the people opening bottles of champagne and celebrating the killing of thousands of muslims in the US lead Afganistan bombings after 9/11...I am just mentioning one country in a sea of more? Are these happy party people nationalist, patriotist, hero's, or just having fun? ALWAYS take a good look in the mirrow bewfore going outside!

Every country's hero is another country's war criminal. Think about it.
(Daniel, 31 May 2011 15:03)

So you are okay with someone in Germany saying Hitler was a German hero for exterminating 6,000,000 Jews?

It's really disturbing that so many of the current ultranationalists showing support for him in the streets are mere teenagers. They are proud of him for blatant genocide. And this is the generation that is the future of Serbs?

Finally the chicken who was hiding for 16 years ( at the same time this chicken in Serbia is portrayed as a serb hero) is going where he should be for the rest of his life.
It is sad to see how serbs portray a monster as their hero. But what is the most interesting thing is that this so called hero was hiding like a chicken under fake identity.
Is this how serb heroes are?

Images all the generals who were NOT fighting a civil war, and who were NOT put on trial:
List of countries bombed by the USA and its allies from WWII-present:

China 1945-46 Korea 1950-53 China 1950-53 Guatemala 1954 Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60 Guatemala 1960 Belgian Congo 1964 Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66 Peru 1965 Laos 1964-73 Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70 Guatemala 1967-69 Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84 Libya 1986 El Salvador 1981-92 Nicaragua 1981-90
Libya 1986 Iran 1987-88 Libya 1989 Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991 Kuwait 1991 Somalia 1992-94 Croatia 1994 (of Serbs at Krajina)
Bosnia 1995 Iran 1998 (airliner) Sudan 1998 Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999 Afghanistan 2001 Libya 2011-


Not including military recklessness like Italy 1998 "20 killed by US warplane in cable car" or China 2001 "Chinese military pilot killed by spy plane collision" and not including 'proxy' bombings of Iraq by Israel in 1981 using sixteen US made F15 bombers and brand new F16 fighter bombers
"Why The U.S.A. Dropped The A-Bomb on Japan"

Amazing but true Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President

NEW "a smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud" - Bush

--Death penalty is too little for this monster. Even his daughter could not believe what a criminal father she had. The BBC reported today that:
"Ana Mladic committed suicide in 1994 aged 23, reportedly shooting herself with her father's favourite pistol after she read about his alleged crimes in a magazine." Sad that these types of people become Serbian heroes!
(Creative Rationality, 31 May 2011 13:59)

Isn't it amazing -- we've been pleading for the arrest and extradition of this mass murderer for at least the last decade, and some for the last 16 years. at least for the last decade mladic was followed and harbored by successive belgrade regimes. but when push came to shove ("carrots and STICK") it took tadic a few days! and no f--ing around, get him on that plane and off to the hague. for anyone not folowing closely, or even if you did, it could make yr head spin.

i am so very pleased, or let's say satisfied somehow, for all of this monster's victims and their families. and for all those who never stopped pushing -- thank you. it seemed like an impossible dream just a few weeks ago. you never know what is possible. never give up when you are fighting for the truth, for justice.

as for his poor daughter, i read about her story years ago. it is not new, nor is it "bbc propaganda." she was a sensitive yng woman, with a monster for a father. when she realized it, it literally killed her.

on the other hand, the wife and all of the other relatives didn't and don't seem too very bothered. and what happens to all of those who have harbored him, in democratic serbia? so sad...

and yes, this monster was and is a hero to many thousands of people in serbia and in "republika srpska." not just a few hooligans, believe me. either they know the truth and don't care, or the brainwashing is so intense they can never know the truth. and the media has its part to play, believe me.

i just spoke to one of the senior serbian journalists re our report about Burning Secrets of the Balkans. He is an independent voice, i guess you would say "liberal" by our western terminology, and writes for vreme. i had to contact him since he is mentioned as one of the many sources of our information. he was quite nice, frndly, and open, and supportive of our report and work. and he reinforced that there is widespread denial in the society, about war crimes and war criminals. not ONLY in serbia. but in serbia, it is the worst.

so i will repeat: despite the sad state of the serbian media, there are some individual journalists that stand out for their courage and their integrity. and for telling the truth. god bless them.

roberto
frisco

Oh good. I'm glad we got that out of the way.

Now it's back to normal issues - like the standard of driving, the fighting corruption, and the economy.

These things are much more important!

There is a mistake in the article "At uncle's country house" by Biljana Srbljanovic, but the Send your comment button is malfunctioning so I couldn't post this correction there. Her article says that the little blonde boy that Mladic patted on the head at Srebrenica (that famous image) was found dead, but he is in fact alive. His name is Izudin Alic and the AP just released a story on him. I'm not at all taking sides or making a political statement here. I'm just reporting that your journalist made an error. Thank you.

(Quote) OK, Let me see if I get this straight, Mladic is accused of murdering 8000 muslim CIVILIANS in Bosnia during a CIVIL war - rules of the game are: kill or be killed? RIGHT ? (Unquote)

No, your not getting it straight. First of all, there was no Civil war in Srebrenica going on. The International Court of Justice ruled in 2007 that atrocities committed in Srebrenica constitute GENOCIDE committed by members of the Army of Republika Srpska.
Secondly, there is no such thing as 'kill or get killed' in modern war legislature. The Geneva Convention forbids any atrocities committed on civilians during any kind of war. So your logic 'civil war = it's okay to kill civilians' is plain stupid.
Get your facts straight!

On Topic: As someone living in Sarajevo, I am glad that Mladic is finally in the court, however I don't think that anybody need to celebrate about this, especially regarding people in Bosnia since nothing substantial will change - people who are dead are dead, people who lost someone will suffer over that death as long as they live, and justice won't be really served. In my opinion, there are much more important things we need to focus on that we have now as a legacy of Mladic's times such as nationalism, segregation, the inability to live together in actual peace in one country. Of course that Mladic's trial will be one step on the path of reconciliation, but certainly not the most important one and certainly not the hardest.

Maldic is accused of ordering the killing of 8,000 odd 'men and boys', NOT 'killing 8,000 civilians'. So if they are not 'civilians', then what are they? Don't ask the media!

(Zoran, 31 May 2011 15:57)
My assumption is that the judge not preachings are for those that tend to judge Serbians and not Serbians who judge others as in
"Also, who are the Albanian heroes? Organ snatchers, drug traffickers, people smugglers and terrorists?"
I also find your liberal use of the word "hypocrit" especially amusing. Note the definition of the word;
: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

Talk about a step in the right direction being made with respect to Mladic's extradition to the Hague. Since I'm still visiting the U.S. Midwestern state of Minnesota may I ask what is the reaction of the Bosnian community in Minnesota with regards to Mladic's arrest & extradition? The truth is whenever I view local news broadcasting on Minneapolis/St Paul t.v. networks I've so far heard no local reaction to Mladic's capture,also, I'm uncertain for now if there's coverage of local reaction in Minnesota's newspaper called the State Tribune. Finally if it's necessary to point out I'm under the impression that the Bosnian community tend to reside in Minneapolis/St Paul area and in another city called Rochester.

He got what he deserved.

if Mr.Mladic´s daughter committed suicide because of his allegedly committed crimes, ...

well then a lot of K-albanians would have to commit suicide, given the scale of crimes they have committed.

once again, our entertainter " creative rationality " is amusing us...

@ miri

Yes, to some Hitler was a hero. He revitalized the economy and gave Germans jobs. I don't agree that he was a hero, but the statement that was made about being a war criminal to some and a war hero to others is true.
Without Mladic, there might not be a large Serbian population in Bosnia, and people would be without their homes. Does that mean that he was right to kill all those people? No, it doesn't. But some people say without Mladic, I would have no home. So to them, yes he is a war hero. to others he is a butcher.
You don't have to agree with other people, but they have their reasons for being wrong. ;)

Like many of Mladic's victims I hope he's still alive so that he can face trial for war crimes charges that have been filed against him and still be alive if or when the Tribunal reaches a verdict (guilty verdict of course if the prosecution has incriminating evidence against him.) I also want to mention to anti-Mladic b92 viewers and Mladic's victims that it sucks Mladic has tremendous amount of sympathizers or supporters.

You what? Gandhi was an appalling character, all that wandering round with no trousers on to try to convince the British that India was too much of a backwards dump to ever civilise properly. It worked too, more's the pity, since we almost managed to civilise Ireland over 800 years so India ought to have been relatively easy task with a bit more time.
(The Brit, 31 May 2011 18:18)

What are you on? Gandhi was a man of recognised world standing who rightly and successfully sought to rid his country of the presence of British imperialism. As for civilising Ireland, she had the misfortune to have an aggressive expansionist state beside her who cast greedy eyes her way and in an imperialist campaign proceeded to take control and in the process caused untold havoc and hardship for millions of Irish over the centuries. You should be hanging your head in shame about Britain's involvment in India and Ireland not boasting about your so-called "civilising" influences.

As for General Mladic, let's see whether or not he gets a fair trial in the Hague. If he is as sick as his lawyer is suggesting, it may be that he is not fit to stand trial at all. Will the Hague allow appropriate independent doctors to examine him and determine his medical condition? I hope so. No disrespect to the Serbian courts but they are not noted for their independence when it comes to making decisions on politically sensitive issues. Let's see if the Hague is any better.

Every country's hero is another country's war criminal. Think about it.
(Daniel, 31 May 2011 15:03)


You definately need to visit doctor ASAP. I can't believe what I just read.

Every country's hero is another country's war criminal. Think about it.
(Daniel, 31 May 2011 15:03)

So you are okay with someone in Germany saying Hitler was a German hero for exterminating 6,000,000 Jews?
(miri, 31 May 2011 19:25)

Not Hitler, He truly was a nutter. But with Churchill (Hamburg, Dresden and Pforzheim) and Truman (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) its a different story.

We don't have to wait and see. It has already proven to be a NATO court biased against the Serbs. A very expensive court at that and one that have proven not to convince Serbians of providing any kind of fair justice.

If so many people are concerned about justice, why did the US (Holbrooke) grant Mladic and Karadzic immunity, which turned out to be empty words?
(Zoran, 1 June 2011 08:44)
NATO court? I really tire of hearing that phrase. The Hague was extablished by the same entity that YOU insist investigate the organ harvesting claims--the UN, it receives its mandate from the UNSC, and its funding is from the UN. Of course the majority of the funds come from NATO allied states as does the entire UN budget and every other project by the UN.
The ICTY was set up to investigate and prosecute war crimes throughout Yugoslavia during the wars which were Serbs vs Slovenes, Serbs vs Croats, Serbs vs Bosniaks, Serbs vs Albanians, and so on. It is very simple to see who the agressive force is here, otherwise the others would have banded together and eradicated the Serbian force.
I know it is hard to be associated with the most guilt through the wars but that is the reality and you might as well get use to it.
As far as the immunity claims go, no one has been able to produce any proof that it happened, and even if it did, it is very well established that he did not have any authority to do so and any such guarantee would not be binding on the court as it is not an extension of NATO.

Not sure who had to be put on trial for what ? Bombing another country is not a crime under international law. It may be a violation of some international law but not something that involves a criminal individual responsability for which somebody can be tried. You need to put some qualifications to the "bombing" to make it a crime.
(icj1, 1 June 2011 03:35)


A unilateral attack by one state party on another (without a UN mandate) is considered a war crime (against International Law, crimes aginst the peace), especially if the casus belli is on very flimsy grounds: "humanitarianism", expropriate the other state's resources using very spurious claims like WMDs and/or pursuing either irridentist or geo-political claims/agendas that benefit the offending party(ies).

That puts some past and present world leaders in a very precarious position. Mr Blair should watch where he goes in future.

I think you are very wrong Bganon/Top or maybe desperately trying to convince yourselves it´s the 90´s again, but it ain´t.

Serbia will not become "one among the others", you might wish so and you can go out with the other few remaining Otporistas if a President of Serbias own choosing takes the scene, again banging on pots and pans when NED & Soros call you out. Serbia has hit rock bottom with this latest treason and the only way after that is up again, but that´s not your way..

Images all the generals who were NOT fighting a civil war, and who were NOT put on trial:
List of countries bombed by the USA and its allies from WWII-present:

China 1945-46 Korea 1950-53 China 1950-53 Guatemala 1954 Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60 Guatemala 1960 Belgian Congo 1964 Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66 Peru 1965 Laos 1964-73 Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70 Guatemala 1967-69 Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84 Libya 1986 El Salvador 1981-92 Nicaragua 1981-90
Libya 1986 Iran 1987-88 Libya 1989 Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991 Kuwait 1991 Somalia 1992-94 Croatia 1994 (of Serbs at Krajina)
Bosnia 1995 Iran 1998 (airliner) Sudan 1998 Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999 Afghanistan 2001 Libya 2011-


Not including military recklessness like Italy 1998 "20 killed by US warplane in cable car" or China 2001 "Chinese military pilot killed by spy plane collision" and not including 'proxy' bombings of Iraq by Israel in 1981 using sixteen US made F15 bombers and brand new F16 fighter bombers
"Why The U.S.A. Dropped The A-Bomb on Japan"

Amazing but true Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President

NEW "a smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud" - Bush
(Slap me with MINUSES of the TRUTH, 31 May 2011 20:14)

Not sure who had to be put on trial for what ? Bombing another country is not a crime under international law. It may be a violation of some international law but not something that involves a criminal individual responsability for which somebody can be tried. You need to put some qualifications to the "bombing" to make it a crime.

@The Truth chicago

""And this is the generation that is the future of Serbs?""

Yes, it is the generation of the future of Serbia, but those are not the leaders of that generation.
It is easy to get that impression though because the media does not show interviews of people who are happy to see Mladic gone. It isn't the slant they need for viewership.


@ Yawn If you are implying that the 'men and boys' were soldiers/terrorists/dissidents are another type of human I still don't see your point. Mladic ordered the killing of 8000 people. In war, that is a crime, therefore a war-crime. You take prisoners, but you don't execute the prisoners. If someone days during combat that is different, but these 8000 were not actively engaged at thet time of their killing. They were captured. That is why it is a war-crime. I don't think all 8000 boys and men were combatants though either, but as I said, even if they were, it is still a war-crime.

The hypocrisy of this is horribly transparent...Just like the cowardly Europeans standing around when the 'civilized' Germans rolled over the Czechs & Poles during WWII, this so-called 'trial' is nothing but an EU appeasement for a vindictive German lynch mob...'Civilized' Germans and all their closet allies are simply implementing out a crude act of revenge only a little more sophisticated than Goebbels' WWII show trials...Ask the all the massacred Vietnamese civilians of My Lai if the US is capable of conducting a fair trial ....Lackey Lt. Calley took one for the team & got some months of house arrest ...Meanwhile CIA-trained Nasir Oric who recorded his atrocities literally walked in and out of court without so much as a nod.
Pure & simple,this is a grudge trial against the Bosnian Serbs for destroying a CIA mercenary army that attacked Serbian civilians out of the so-called 'safe-haven' of Srebrenica

He went to never come back. shame on you.

I apologize,I meant to say Star Tribune.As far as I'm concerned there's no such thing called State Tribune

OK, Let me see if I get this straight, Mladic is accused of murdering 8000 muslim CIVILIANS in Bosnia during a CIVIL war - rules of the game are: kill or be killed? RIGHT ?
(Little Johnny, 31 May 2011 18:05)

No, that's not what the "rules of the games" are according to the international humanitarian law which regulates "the game" (aka "civil war"); that's why Mladic and other Serbs, Kroats, Bosniaks and Albanians have gone to The Hague because they probably thought like you. Civil war does not mean civilians can be killed indiscriminately.



OK, gee whizz I am confused, can anyone please give me a list of
at least 3 generals from the US/UK who were put on trial
over INTENTIONAL "bombing" of hundreds of thousands of muslims in Afganistan/Pakistan etc in the name "of finding" a former CIA agent named Binney L? I am only listing RECENT bombings of muslims, I have a list of many more countries!!
(Little Johnny, 31 May 2011 18:05)

Well, slow down, you skipped the preliminaries and jumped directly to the conclusions. The order of things in criminal procedure is:

1. What article(s) of international criminal law are you referring to ?

2. What is/are the act(s) prohibited by those articles; and

3. What is the evidence that the act(s) were actually committed; and

4. Who committed those acts and the related evidence; and

5. What was the intention of those who committed the acts and the related evidence.

Then we can finally answer your question.

House arrest for this old and sick man would have been more honourable from a Serbian perspective. Better than the politically biased kangaroo court.

So in your democratic "constitution" its ok to BOMB a soverign nation,
MURDER its DEMOCRATICALLY elected president, and take over the country, and NOT find weapons of mass destruction...I R A Q

Naser Olic, tortured, killed Serb civilians got out scott free so I assume he's a hero to you? I think Little Johnny II needs to grow up and stop believing in fairy tales....

It´s getting somewhat tiresome to repeat this to all of you parroting "8000 victims & above".

Latest forensic figures about Srebrenica says 2000 at the highest, not 8000, 9000 (or early US figures obviously for American consumption, 50,000) Some 200 of them shot at close range, the others combatants mostly Muslims but also Serbs.

That´s 2000 too many in a civil war but not by any standard "genocide" mind you and not worse than the killing done by NATO´s local clients like Naser Oric in the same area a year prior f.ex.

Let's see if the Hague is any better.
(David Crowley, 31 May 2011 19:13)
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We don't have to wait and see. It has already proven to be a NATO court biased against the Serbs. A very expensive court at that and one that have proven not to convince Serbians of providing any kind of fair justice.

If so many people are concerned about justice, why did the US (Holbrooke) grant Mladic and Karadzic immunity, which turned out to be empty words?

No disrespect to the Serbian courts but they are not noted for their independence when it comes to making decisions on politically sensitive issues. Let's see if the Hague is any better.
(David Crowley, 31 May 2011 19:13)

Indeed, lets see if the Hague can be independant! I would suggest, in my opinion, based on the history of the Hague that it will struggle to be completely independant. Can I suggest to all those who are tempted to label me as some kind of biased commentator who thinks the Hague is not working as a completely balanced and independant institution, to first of all look at the numbers and the sentences (or lack of) that have been given to the various nationalities who have appeared there. Once you have done that, could I then suggest you consider the overwhelming allegations levelled against some countries (a country!) in the Balkans of non cooperation with the Hague. I will not make any comment, just ask that you do your research before you make your comment. Thanks. (if you are then in the mood for some more research you might want to look into the whole Srebrenica story in a little more detail too, you may find some surprises in there if you look hard enough) In all of your research though, try and maintain an objective view as I have tried, I find it helps with your understanding not to be influenced too much by the wieghted opinions or propoganda of either side of the arguement. Thanks

@ijc....Who gave the US the right to BOMB IRAQ and MURDER Saddam Hussein....A SOVERIGN STATE, WITH A DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT who had NO weapons of mass destruction ?
WHO went on trial for those crimes ? INTENTIONALLY killing thousands of civilians and may I add MUSLIMS killed in the name of
"democracy" ...PLEASE smell your own c*** before shooting your mouth !

A unilateral attack by one state party on another (without a UN mandate) is considered a war crime (against International Law, crimes aginst the peace), especially if the casus belli is on very flimsy grounds: "humanitarianism", expropriate the other state's resources using very spurious claims like WMDs and/or pursuing either irridentist or geo-political claims/agendas that benefit the offending party(ies).

That puts some past and present world leaders in a very precarious position. Mr Blair should watch where he goes in future.
(Niall O'Doherty, 1 June 2011 15:07)
Since you have become supreme ruler of the world and dictate which actions are and are not violations of International law, it is nice that you gave Blair fair warning to watch where he goes. I assume in your new position you have issued an indictment against him, because up until now to my knowledge no established organization has done that. Either they are in disagreement or just maybe the whole world does not consider it a crime to not bow to Serbia.

So I guess the HAG "legally" breaks the laws by taking illegal immigrants not holding a valid passport !! Superb ... the world policeman
strike again ! All in good time comes to those who wait!

NATO court? I really tire of hearing that phrase. The Hague was extablished by the same entity that YOU insist investigate the organ harvesting claims--the UN, it receives its mandate from the UNSC, and its funding is from the UN.
(doodah, 1 June 2011 12:48)
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Interesting, it is a UN court but has received private funding from the US, Netherlands and other NATO countries, private companies and NGOs such as the Open Society Institute and the Rockefeller Foundation.

This was done in violation of the Statutes of the Tribunal. Article 32 states that the "the expenses of the International Tribunal shall be borne by the regular budget of the United Nations".

@icj:
Not sure who had to be put on trial for what ? Bombing another country is not a crime under international law.
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DO GLAD YOU JUSTIFIED THAT for everyone.....BECAUSE that's one of the
accusation they had against Milosevic for the bombing of Zagreb and Dubrovnik...and you my friend JUST PROVED TO THE WORLD that they were wrongly accuse.

If so many people are concerned about justice, why did the US (Holbrooke) grant Mladic and Karadzic immunity, which turned out to be empty words?
(Zoran, 1 June 2011 08:44)

The second part of your sentence proves exactly that people are concerned about justice and that's why the immunity (if it ever existed) turned out to be empty words.

If the immunity (if it ever existed) had been real, that would have proved that people don't care about justice.

A unilateral attack by one state party on another (without a UN mandate) is considered a war crime (against International Law, crimes aginst the peace), especially if the casus belli is on very flimsy grounds: "humanitarianism", expropriate the other state's resources using very spurious claims like WMDs and/or pursuing either irridentist or geo-political claims/agendas that benefit the offending party(ies).
(Niall O'Doherty, 1 June 2011 15:07)

No sir, you are dead wrong; what you described is a violation of international law which involves the responsability of the state that commits it and that state than can be "punished" by other states via war, sanctions, blocades, etc. But there is no criminal responsability. ONLY A PERSON COMMITS A CRIME; states cannot commit crimes; by definition. A war crime is a crime committed by PERSON X in violation of the laws of war. But the war itself (being just or unjust) is not a crime. Go and find a single article in international criminal law that makes the start of a war a crime (Geneva Conventions, ICTY or ICTR statuses, etc). If you find a single article that says that if a person starts an unjust war then it is punishable by X years in prison, then I'll admit that you are correct.

@icj:
Not sure who had to be put on trial for what ? Bombing another country is not a crime under international law.
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DO GLAD YOU JUSTIFIED THAT for everyone.....BECAUSE that's one of the
accusation they had against Milosevic for the bombing of Zagreb and Dubrovnik...and you my friend JUST PROVED TO THE WORLD that they were wrongly accuse.
(BUTROS BUTROS GALI, 1 June 2011 17:26)

No sir, because you missed my last sentence in the citation. I said that "bombing" with some qualifications, is a crime. For example, wanton bombing of cities, is a war crime for the person who commits it. Indeed Milosevic was indicted for "wanton desctruction" not for "destruction". Just destruction is not a war crime. War means destruction, by definition.

This was done in violation of the Statutes of the Tribunal. Article 32 states that the "the expenses of the International Tribunal shall be borne by the regular budget of the United Nations".
(Zoran, 1 June 2011 21:39)

That's your opinion (assuming the facts you mention are true), but not that of the Security Council. If the Tribunal were violating its status, the Security Council would have said so.

So in your democratic "constitution" its ok to BOMB a soverign nation,
MURDER its DEMOCRATICALLY elected president, and take over the country, and NOT find weapons of mass destruction...I R A Q
(BIG Johnny, 1 June 2011 18:13)

Let's say no, it's not OK... but it's not a crime. Not everything that is not OK is a crime

"Ana Mladic committed suicide in 1994 aged 23, reportedly shooting herself with her father's favourite pistol after she read about his alleged crimes in a magazine."

Sad that these types of people become Serbian heroes!
(Creative Rationality, 31 May 2011 13:59)
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How do they know she committed suicide after reading about his alleged crimes? Did they interview her?

Also, who are the Albanian heroes? Organ snatchers, drug traffickers, people smugglers and terrorists?

Matthew 7.1-5

Judge not, that you not be judged. For with the judgment that you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, "Let me take the speck out of your eye," when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Sad that these types of people become Serbian heroes!
(Creative Rationality, 31 May 2011 13:59)
Every country's hero is another country's war criminal. Think about it.

It might be like that in the Balkans. What about Ghandi in India?
(Top, 31 May 2011 15:30)

You what? Gandhi was an appalling character, all that wandering round with no trousers on to try to convince the British that India was too much of a backwards dump to ever civilise properly. It worked too, more's the pity, since we almost managed to civilise Ireland over 800 years so India ought to have been relatively easy task with a bit more time.

The idea that his daughter committed suicide because she read of her father's "war crimes" really is absolutely abusrd, she suffered from psychological problems including severe depression, yet another example of the BBC twisting the truth, it really is disgraceful, unfortunately so many people will blindly believe this.

Death penalty is too little for this monster.

Even his daughter could not believe what a criminal father she had. The BBC reported today that:

"Ana Mladic committed suicide in 1994 aged 23, reportedly shooting herself with her father's favourite pistol after she read about his alleged crimes in a magazine."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13598590

Sad that these types of people become Serbian heroes!

OK, Let me see if I get this straight, Mladic is accused of murdering 8000 muslim CIVILIANS in Bosnia during a CIVIL war - rules of the game are: kill or be killed? RIGHT ?

OK, gee whizz I am confused, can anyone please give me a list of
at least 3 generals from the US/UK who were put on trial
over INTENTIONAL "bombing" of hundreds of thousands of muslims in Afganistan/Pakistan etc in the name "of finding" a former CIA agent named Binney L? I am only listing RECENT bombings of muslims, I have a list of many more countries!!

@ Patrik:
Not a Serbian hero, a Nationalist hero. There is a big difference.
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Ok, ok .. So what do you call all the people opening bottles of champagne and celebrating the killing of thousands of muslims in the US lead Afganistan bombings after 9/11...I am just mentioning one country in a sea of more? Are these happy party people nationalist, patriotist, hero's, or just having fun? ALWAYS take a good look in the mirrow bewfore going outside!

Too bad ;)

"Sad that these types of people become Serbian heroes!
(Creative Rationality, 31 May 2011 13:59)"

Not a Serbian hero, a Nationalist hero. There is a big difference.

if Mr.Mladic´s daughter committed suicide because of his allegedly committed crimes, ...

well then a lot of K-albanians would have to commit suicide, given the scale of crimes they have committed.

once again, our entertainter " creative rationality " is amusing us...

Finally the chicken who was hiding for 16 years ( at the same time this chicken in Serbia is portrayed as a serb hero) is going where he should be for the rest of his life.
It is sad to see how serbs portray a monster as their hero. But what is the most interesting thing is that this so called hero was hiding like a chicken under fake identity.
Is this how serb heroes are?

"Every country's hero is another country's war criminal. Think about it."
(Daniel, 31 May 2011 15:03)

It might be like that in the Balkans. What about Ghandi in India?

Images all the generals who were NOT fighting a civil war, and who were NOT put on trial:
List of countries bombed by the USA and its allies from WWII-present:

China 1945-46 Korea 1950-53 China 1950-53 Guatemala 1954 Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60 Guatemala 1960 Belgian Congo 1964 Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66 Peru 1965 Laos 1964-73 Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70 Guatemala 1967-69 Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84 Libya 1986 El Salvador 1981-92 Nicaragua 1981-90
Libya 1986 Iran 1987-88 Libya 1989 Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991 Kuwait 1991 Somalia 1992-94 Croatia 1994 (of Serbs at Krajina)
Bosnia 1995 Iran 1998 (airliner) Sudan 1998 Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999 Afghanistan 2001 Libya 2011-


Not including military recklessness like Italy 1998 "20 killed by US warplane in cable car" or China 2001 "Chinese military pilot killed by spy plane collision" and not including 'proxy' bombings of Iraq by Israel in 1981 using sixteen US made F15 bombers and brand new F16 fighter bombers
"Why The U.S.A. Dropped The A-Bomb on Japan"

Amazing but true Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President

NEW "a smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud" - Bush

I think you are very wrong Bganon/Top or maybe desperately trying to convince yourselves it´s the 90´s again, but it ain´t.

Serbia will not become "one among the others", you might wish so and you can go out with the other few remaining Otporistas if a President of Serbias own choosing takes the scene, again banging on pots and pans when NED & Soros call you out. Serbia has hit rock bottom with this latest treason and the only way after that is up again, but that´s not your way..

And thats it as far as the Serbian political context of Ratko Mladic goes.

Now he returns to the pages of the world media and will cause one last gathering of journalists at the Hague.

I've just awoken from a Serbian style siesta having fallen asleep to a repeat of Utisak Nedelje that was on the Mladic issue so missed the extradiction circus.

And I think that most Serbians will be as apathetic to his extradiction as I was.

Thats Mladic, now all we need is to strike a deal on Kosovo and we are done.

Scary prospect becoming a boring, normal country and even though we will be more interesting than most, but it will happen.

You what? Gandhi was an appalling character, all that wandering round with no trousers on to try to convince the British that India was too much of a backwards dump to ever civilise properly. It worked too, more's the pity, since we almost managed to civilise Ireland over 800 years so India ought to have been relatively easy task with a bit more time.
(The Brit, 31 May 2011 18:18)

What are you on? Gandhi was a man of recognised world standing who rightly and successfully sought to rid his country of the presence of British imperialism. As for civilising Ireland, she had the misfortune to have an aggressive expansionist state beside her who cast greedy eyes her way and in an imperialist campaign proceeded to take control and in the process caused untold havoc and hardship for millions of Irish over the centuries. You should be hanging your head in shame about Britain's involvment in India and Ireland not boasting about your so-called "civilising" influences.

As for General Mladic, let's see whether or not he gets a fair trial in the Hague. If he is as sick as his lawyer is suggesting, it may be that he is not fit to stand trial at all. Will the Hague allow appropriate independent doctors to examine him and determine his medical condition? I hope so. No disrespect to the Serbian courts but they are not noted for their independence when it comes to making decisions on politically sensitive issues. Let's see if the Hague is any better.

He went to never come back. shame on you.

It's really disturbing that so many of the current ultranationalists showing support for him in the streets are mere teenagers. They are proud of him for blatant genocide. And this is the generation that is the future of Serbs?

So the last hours of which Mladic spent in Serbia for the rest of his lifetime, at the grave of his daughter who couldn't stand a life in which she realized that her father was a savage butcher.

The proper end of an dishonorable man and stigma to a nation which calls this pathetic wreck a "hero".

Maldic is accused of ordering the killing of 8,000 odd 'men and boys', NOT 'killing 8,000 civilians'. So if they are not 'civilians', then what are they? Don't ask the media!

It´s getting somewhat tiresome to repeat this to all of you parroting "8000 victims & above".

Latest forensic figures about Srebrenica says 2000 at the highest, not 8000, 9000 (or early US figures obviously for American consumption, 50,000) Some 200 of them shot at close range, the others combatants mostly Muslims but also Serbs.

That´s 2000 too many in a civil war but not by any standard "genocide" mind you and not worse than the killing done by NATO´s local clients like Naser Oric in the same area a year prior f.ex.

Let's see if the Hague is any better.
(David Crowley, 31 May 2011 19:13)
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We don't have to wait and see. It has already proven to be a NATO court biased against the Serbs. A very expensive court at that and one that have proven not to convince Serbians of providing any kind of fair justice.

If so many people are concerned about justice, why did the US (Holbrooke) grant Mladic and Karadzic immunity, which turned out to be empty words?

Not sure who had to be put on trial for what ? Bombing another country is not a crime under international law. It may be a violation of some international law but not something that involves a criminal individual responsability for which somebody can be tried. You need to put some qualifications to the "bombing" to make it a crime.
(icj1, 1 June 2011 03:35)


A unilateral attack by one state party on another (without a UN mandate) is considered a war crime (against International Law, crimes aginst the peace), especially if the casus belli is on very flimsy grounds: "humanitarianism", expropriate the other state's resources using very spurious claims like WMDs and/or pursuing either irridentist or geo-political claims/agendas that benefit the offending party(ies).

That puts some past and present world leaders in a very precarious position. Mr Blair should watch where he goes in future.

--Death penalty is too little for this monster. Even his daughter could not believe what a criminal father she had. The BBC reported today that:
"Ana Mladic committed suicide in 1994 aged 23, reportedly shooting herself with her father's favourite pistol after she read about his alleged crimes in a magazine." Sad that these types of people become Serbian heroes!
(Creative Rationality, 31 May 2011 13:59)

Isn't it amazing -- we've been pleading for the arrest and extradition of this mass murderer for at least the last decade, and some for the last 16 years. at least for the last decade mladic was followed and harbored by successive belgrade regimes. but when push came to shove ("carrots and STICK") it took tadic a few days! and no f--ing around, get him on that plane and off to the hague. for anyone not folowing closely, or even if you did, it could make yr head spin.

i am so very pleased, or let's say satisfied somehow, for all of this monster's victims and their families. and for all those who never stopped pushing -- thank you. it seemed like an impossible dream just a few weeks ago. you never know what is possible. never give up when you are fighting for the truth, for justice.

as for his poor daughter, i read about her story years ago. it is not new, nor is it "bbc propaganda." she was a sensitive yng woman, with a monster for a father. when she realized it, it literally killed her.

on the other hand, the wife and all of the other relatives didn't and don't seem too very bothered. and what happens to all of those who have harbored him, in democratic serbia? so sad...

and yes, this monster was and is a hero to many thousands of people in serbia and in "republika srpska." not just a few hooligans, believe me. either they know the truth and don't care, or the brainwashing is so intense they can never know the truth. and the media has its part to play, believe me.

i just spoke to one of the senior serbian journalists re our report about Burning Secrets of the Balkans. He is an independent voice, i guess you would say "liberal" by our western terminology, and writes for vreme. i had to contact him since he is mentioned as one of the many sources of our information. he was quite nice, frndly, and open, and supportive of our report and work. and he reinforced that there is widespread denial in the society, about war crimes and war criminals. not ONLY in serbia. but in serbia, it is the worst.

so i will repeat: despite the sad state of the serbian media, there are some individual journalists that stand out for their courage and their integrity. and for telling the truth. god bless them.

roberto
frisco

Every country's hero is another country's war criminal. Think about it.
(Daniel, 31 May 2011 15:03)

So you are okay with someone in Germany saying Hitler was a German hero for exterminating 6,000,000 Jews?
(miri, 31 May 2011 19:25)

Not Hitler, He truly was a nutter. But with Churchill (Hamburg, Dresden and Pforzheim) and Truman (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) its a different story.

Every country's hero is another country's war criminal. Think about it.
(Daniel, 31 May 2011 15:03)

So you are okay with someone in Germany saying Hitler was a German hero for exterminating 6,000,000 Jews?

(Quote) OK, Let me see if I get this straight, Mladic is accused of murdering 8000 muslim CIVILIANS in Bosnia during a CIVIL war - rules of the game are: kill or be killed? RIGHT ? (Unquote)

No, your not getting it straight. First of all, there was no Civil war in Srebrenica going on. The International Court of Justice ruled in 2007 that atrocities committed in Srebrenica constitute GENOCIDE committed by members of the Army of Republika Srpska.
Secondly, there is no such thing as 'kill or get killed' in modern war legislature. The Geneva Convention forbids any atrocities committed on civilians during any kind of war. So your logic 'civil war = it's okay to kill civilians' is plain stupid.
Get your facts straight!

On Topic: As someone living in Sarajevo, I am glad that Mladic is finally in the court, however I don't think that anybody need to celebrate about this, especially regarding people in Bosnia since nothing substantial will change - people who are dead are dead, people who lost someone will suffer over that death as long as they live, and justice won't be really served. In my opinion, there are much more important things we need to focus on that we have now as a legacy of Mladic's times such as nationalism, segregation, the inability to live together in actual peace in one country. Of course that Mladic's trial will be one step on the path of reconciliation, but certainly not the most important one and certainly not the hardest.

I apologize,I meant to say Star Tribune.As far as I'm concerned there's no such thing called State Tribune

House arrest for this old and sick man would have been more honourable from a Serbian perspective. Better than the politically biased kangaroo court.

No disrespect to the Serbian courts but they are not noted for their independence when it comes to making decisions on politically sensitive issues. Let's see if the Hague is any better.
(David Crowley, 31 May 2011 19:13)

Indeed, lets see if the Hague can be independant! I would suggest, in my opinion, based on the history of the Hague that it will struggle to be completely independant. Can I suggest to all those who are tempted to label me as some kind of biased commentator who thinks the Hague is not working as a completely balanced and independant institution, to first of all look at the numbers and the sentences (or lack of) that have been given to the various nationalities who have appeared there. Once you have done that, could I then suggest you consider the overwhelming allegations levelled against some countries (a country!) in the Balkans of non cooperation with the Hague. I will not make any comment, just ask that you do your research before you make your comment. Thanks. (if you are then in the mood for some more research you might want to look into the whole Srebrenica story in a little more detail too, you may find some surprises in there if you look hard enough) In all of your research though, try and maintain an objective view as I have tried, I find it helps with your understanding not to be influenced too much by the wieghted opinions or propoganda of either side of the arguement. Thanks

He got what he deserved.

Talk about a step in the right direction being made with respect to Mladic's extradition to the Hague. Since I'm still visiting the U.S. Midwestern state of Minnesota may I ask what is the reaction of the Bosnian community in Minnesota with regards to Mladic's arrest & extradition? The truth is whenever I view local news broadcasting on Minneapolis/St Paul t.v. networks I've so far heard no local reaction to Mladic's capture,also, I'm uncertain for now if there's coverage of local reaction in Minnesota's newspaper called the State Tribune. Finally if it's necessary to point out I'm under the impression that the Bosnian community tend to reside in Minneapolis/St Paul area and in another city called Rochester.

OK, Let me see if I get this straight, Mladic is accused of murdering 8000 muslim CIVILIANS in Bosnia during a CIVIL war - rules of the game are: kill or be killed? RIGHT ?
(Little Johnny, 31 May 2011 18:05)

No, that's not what the "rules of the games" are according to the international humanitarian law which regulates "the game" (aka "civil war"); that's why Mladic and other Serbs, Kroats, Bosniaks and Albanians have gone to The Hague because they probably thought like you. Civil war does not mean civilians can be killed indiscriminately.



OK, gee whizz I am confused, can anyone please give me a list of
at least 3 generals from the US/UK who were put on trial
over INTENTIONAL "bombing" of hundreds of thousands of muslims in Afganistan/Pakistan etc in the name "of finding" a former CIA agent named Binney L? I am only listing RECENT bombings of muslims, I have a list of many more countries!!
(Little Johnny, 31 May 2011 18:05)

Well, slow down, you skipped the preliminaries and jumped directly to the conclusions. The order of things in criminal procedure is:

1. What article(s) of international criminal law are you referring to ?

2. What is/are the act(s) prohibited by those articles; and

3. What is the evidence that the act(s) were actually committed; and

4. Who committed those acts and the related evidence; and

5. What was the intention of those who committed the acts and the related evidence.

Then we can finally answer your question.

The hypocrisy of this is horribly transparent...Just like the cowardly Europeans standing around when the 'civilized' Germans rolled over the Czechs & Poles during WWII, this so-called 'trial' is nothing but an EU appeasement for a vindictive German lynch mob...'Civilized' Germans and all their closet allies are simply implementing out a crude act of revenge only a little more sophisticated than Goebbels' WWII show trials...Ask the all the massacred Vietnamese civilians of My Lai if the US is capable of conducting a fair trial ....Lackey Lt. Calley took one for the team & got some months of house arrest ...Meanwhile CIA-trained Nasir Oric who recorded his atrocities literally walked in and out of court without so much as a nod.
Pure & simple,this is a grudge trial against the Bosnian Serbs for destroying a CIA mercenary army that attacked Serbian civilians out of the so-called 'safe-haven' of Srebrenica

@ miri

Yes, to some Hitler was a hero. He revitalized the economy and gave Germans jobs. I don't agree that he was a hero, but the statement that was made about being a war criminal to some and a war hero to others is true.
Without Mladic, there might not be a large Serbian population in Bosnia, and people would be without their homes. Does that mean that he was right to kill all those people? No, it doesn't. But some people say without Mladic, I would have no home. So to them, yes he is a war hero. to others he is a butcher.
You don't have to agree with other people, but they have their reasons for being wrong. ;)

Oh good. I'm glad we got that out of the way.

Now it's back to normal issues - like the standard of driving, the fighting corruption, and the economy.

These things are much more important!

There is a mistake in the article "At uncle's country house" by Biljana Srbljanovic, but the Send your comment button is malfunctioning so I couldn't post this correction there. Her article says that the little blonde boy that Mladic patted on the head at Srebrenica (that famous image) was found dead, but he is in fact alive. His name is Izudin Alic and the AP just released a story on him. I'm not at all taking sides or making a political statement here. I'm just reporting that your journalist made an error. Thank you.

Images all the generals who were NOT fighting a civil war, and who were NOT put on trial:
List of countries bombed by the USA and its allies from WWII-present:

China 1945-46 Korea 1950-53 China 1950-53 Guatemala 1954 Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60 Guatemala 1960 Belgian Congo 1964 Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66 Peru 1965 Laos 1964-73 Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70 Guatemala 1967-69 Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84 Libya 1986 El Salvador 1981-92 Nicaragua 1981-90
Libya 1986 Iran 1987-88 Libya 1989 Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991 Kuwait 1991 Somalia 1992-94 Croatia 1994 (of Serbs at Krajina)
Bosnia 1995 Iran 1998 (airliner) Sudan 1998 Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999 Afghanistan 2001 Libya 2011-


Not including military recklessness like Italy 1998 "20 killed by US warplane in cable car" or China 2001 "Chinese military pilot killed by spy plane collision" and not including 'proxy' bombings of Iraq by Israel in 1981 using sixteen US made F15 bombers and brand new F16 fighter bombers
"Why The U.S.A. Dropped The A-Bomb on Japan"

Amazing but true Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President

NEW "a smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud" - Bush
(Slap me with MINUSES of the TRUTH, 31 May 2011 20:14)

Not sure who had to be put on trial for what ? Bombing another country is not a crime under international law. It may be a violation of some international law but not something that involves a criminal individual responsability for which somebody can be tried. You need to put some qualifications to the "bombing" to make it a crime.

@ijc....Who gave the US the right to BOMB IRAQ and MURDER Saddam Hussein....A SOVERIGN STATE, WITH A DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT who had NO weapons of mass destruction ?
WHO went on trial for those crimes ? INTENTIONALLY killing thousands of civilians and may I add MUSLIMS killed in the name of
"democracy" ...PLEASE smell your own c*** before shooting your mouth !

Like many of Mladic's victims I hope he's still alive so that he can face trial for war crimes charges that have been filed against him and still be alive if or when the Tribunal reaches a verdict (guilty verdict of course if the prosecution has incriminating evidence against him.) I also want to mention to anti-Mladic b92 viewers and Mladic's victims that it sucks Mladic has tremendous amount of sympathizers or supporters.

Every country's hero is another country's war criminal. Think about it.
(Daniel, 31 May 2011 15:03)


You definately need to visit doctor ASAP. I can't believe what I just read.

NATO court? I really tire of hearing that phrase. The Hague was extablished by the same entity that YOU insist investigate the organ harvesting claims--the UN, it receives its mandate from the UNSC, and its funding is from the UN.
(doodah, 1 June 2011 12:48)
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Interesting, it is a UN court but has received private funding from the US, Netherlands and other NATO countries, private companies and NGOs such as the Open Society Institute and the Rockefeller Foundation.

This was done in violation of the Statutes of the Tribunal. Article 32 states that the "the expenses of the International Tribunal shall be borne by the regular budget of the United Nations".

(Zoran, 31 May 2011 15:57)
My assumption is that the judge not preachings are for those that tend to judge Serbians and not Serbians who judge others as in
"Also, who are the Albanian heroes? Organ snatchers, drug traffickers, people smugglers and terrorists?"
I also find your liberal use of the word "hypocrit" especially amusing. Note the definition of the word;
: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

So I guess the HAG "legally" breaks the laws by taking illegal immigrants not holding a valid passport !! Superb ... the world policeman
strike again ! All in good time comes to those who wait!

@The Truth chicago

""And this is the generation that is the future of Serbs?""

Yes, it is the generation of the future of Serbia, but those are not the leaders of that generation.
It is easy to get that impression though because the media does not show interviews of people who are happy to see Mladic gone. It isn't the slant they need for viewership.


@ Yawn If you are implying that the 'men and boys' were soldiers/terrorists/dissidents are another type of human I still don't see your point. Mladic ordered the killing of 8000 people. In war, that is a crime, therefore a war-crime. You take prisoners, but you don't execute the prisoners. If someone days during combat that is different, but these 8000 were not actively engaged at thet time of their killing. They were captured. That is why it is a war-crime. I don't think all 8000 boys and men were combatants though either, but as I said, even if they were, it is still a war-crime.

So in your democratic "constitution" its ok to BOMB a soverign nation,
MURDER its DEMOCRATICALLY elected president, and take over the country, and NOT find weapons of mass destruction...I R A Q

Naser Olic, tortured, killed Serb civilians got out scott free so I assume he's a hero to you? I think Little Johnny II needs to grow up and stop believing in fairy tales....

We don't have to wait and see. It has already proven to be a NATO court biased against the Serbs. A very expensive court at that and one that have proven not to convince Serbians of providing any kind of fair justice.

If so many people are concerned about justice, why did the US (Holbrooke) grant Mladic and Karadzic immunity, which turned out to be empty words?
(Zoran, 1 June 2011 08:44)
NATO court? I really tire of hearing that phrase. The Hague was extablished by the same entity that YOU insist investigate the organ harvesting claims--the UN, it receives its mandate from the UNSC, and its funding is from the UN. Of course the majority of the funds come from NATO allied states as does the entire UN budget and every other project by the UN.
The ICTY was set up to investigate and prosecute war crimes throughout Yugoslavia during the wars which were Serbs vs Slovenes, Serbs vs Croats, Serbs vs Bosniaks, Serbs vs Albanians, and so on. It is very simple to see who the agressive force is here, otherwise the others would have banded together and eradicated the Serbian force.
I know it is hard to be associated with the most guilt through the wars but that is the reality and you might as well get use to it.
As far as the immunity claims go, no one has been able to produce any proof that it happened, and even if it did, it is very well established that he did not have any authority to do so and any such guarantee would not be binding on the court as it is not an extension of NATO.

@icj:
Not sure who had to be put on trial for what ? Bombing another country is not a crime under international law.
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DO GLAD YOU JUSTIFIED THAT for everyone.....BECAUSE that's one of the
accusation they had against Milosevic for the bombing of Zagreb and Dubrovnik...and you my friend JUST PROVED TO THE WORLD that they were wrongly accuse.

A unilateral attack by one state party on another (without a UN mandate) is considered a war crime (against International Law, crimes aginst the peace), especially if the casus belli is on very flimsy grounds: "humanitarianism", expropriate the other state's resources using very spurious claims like WMDs and/or pursuing either irridentist or geo-political claims/agendas that benefit the offending party(ies).

That puts some past and present world leaders in a very precarious position. Mr Blair should watch where he goes in future.
(Niall O'Doherty, 1 June 2011 15:07)
Since you have become supreme ruler of the world and dictate which actions are and are not violations of International law, it is nice that you gave Blair fair warning to watch where he goes. I assume in your new position you have issued an indictment against him, because up until now to my knowledge no established organization has done that. Either they are in disagreement or just maybe the whole world does not consider it a crime to not bow to Serbia.

If so many people are concerned about justice, why did the US (Holbrooke) grant Mladic and Karadzic immunity, which turned out to be empty words?
(Zoran, 1 June 2011 08:44)

The second part of your sentence proves exactly that people are concerned about justice and that's why the immunity (if it ever existed) turned out to be empty words.

If the immunity (if it ever existed) had been real, that would have proved that people don't care about justice.

A unilateral attack by one state party on another (without a UN mandate) is considered a war crime (against International Law, crimes aginst the peace), especially if the casus belli is on very flimsy grounds: "humanitarianism", expropriate the other state's resources using very spurious claims like WMDs and/or pursuing either irridentist or geo-political claims/agendas that benefit the offending party(ies).
(Niall O'Doherty, 1 June 2011 15:07)

No sir, you are dead wrong; what you described is a violation of international law which involves the responsability of the state that commits it and that state than can be "punished" by other states via war, sanctions, blocades, etc. But there is no criminal responsability. ONLY A PERSON COMMITS A CRIME; states cannot commit crimes; by definition. A war crime is a crime committed by PERSON X in violation of the laws of war. But the war itself (being just or unjust) is not a crime. Go and find a single article in international criminal law that makes the start of a war a crime (Geneva Conventions, ICTY or ICTR statuses, etc). If you find a single article that says that if a person starts an unjust war then it is punishable by X years in prison, then I'll admit that you are correct.

@icj:
Not sure who had to be put on trial for what ? Bombing another country is not a crime under international law.
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DO GLAD YOU JUSTIFIED THAT for everyone.....BECAUSE that's one of the
accusation they had against Milosevic for the bombing of Zagreb and Dubrovnik...and you my friend JUST PROVED TO THE WORLD that they were wrongly accuse.
(BUTROS BUTROS GALI, 1 June 2011 17:26)

No sir, because you missed my last sentence in the citation. I said that "bombing" with some qualifications, is a crime. For example, wanton bombing of cities, is a war crime for the person who commits it. Indeed Milosevic was indicted for "wanton desctruction" not for "destruction". Just destruction is not a war crime. War means destruction, by definition.

This was done in violation of the Statutes of the Tribunal. Article 32 states that the "the expenses of the International Tribunal shall be borne by the regular budget of the United Nations".
(Zoran, 1 June 2011 21:39)

That's your opinion (assuming the facts you mention are true), but not that of the Security Council. If the Tribunal were violating its status, the Security Council would have said so.

So in your democratic "constitution" its ok to BOMB a soverign nation,
MURDER its DEMOCRATICALLY elected president, and take over the country, and NOT find weapons of mass destruction...I R A Q
(BIG Johnny, 1 June 2011 18:13)

Let's say no, it's not OK... but it's not a crime. Not everything that is not OK is a crime