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Friday, 27.05.2011.

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Serbian, Romanian presidents boycott Warsaw summit

Heads of states from a number countries of central and eastern European countries have gathered for a summit in Warsaw, Poland.

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eric

pre 12 godina

To the albanians who have commented and who will comment here about ROMANIA:
ROMANIA is the 7th (seventh) EU country as size and population, as well as one of the leading NATO members in Europe.. Especially we in Central and Eastern European countries, we understand well the message of the Pope JOHN PAUL "DON'T be afraid". Because at our skin has experienced a communist system killer, who deny CHRIST .For example, Romania has never had a Republican tradition, republic was imposed at Yalta in 1945 and as well as by Soviet tanks; on December 30, 1947 King Michael was forced to abdicate “in exchange” with life of 1000 Romanian students who supported the monarchy in the front of Royal Palace from Bucharest. Royal Romania was a respected and prosperous country and the Romanian state regressed with the Bolshevik Red Plague,terror imposed by stalin and as well as Roosevelt and Churchill's acceptance, in all countries of Central and Eastern Europe. Michael I, the last king of Romania, should be respected because that is the last leader alive during WW2.As well as Romania was Poland , Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia etc.What is little Albania in the history of the Europe, except so-called Illyrian descent?Is mafia, drugs, intolerance… and destruction of Orthodox monasteries in Kosovo.Kosovo is Serbia .
PS.Before WW2 Romania, former Yugoslavia and former Czechoslovakia allied to the "Little Entente" and so will always be.Now it is ROMANIA, SERBIA and SLOVAKIA.
(Romanian Warrior, 27 May 2011 14:46)

.....A gypsy from romania is talking about history, it cracks me up lol whats up with ur capital bukurresht?? hahahaha nvm you don't want to talk about lol

icj1

pre 12 godina

I am right to assume that you have no proof at all.

Serbs have all the proof of having Kosovo. Look around Kosovo and you will see it but we need a bit more than your word about what you say because there is nothing to see so we do need a map of some sort. Maps are easily obtained now so get to it.
(Peggy, 29 May 2011 06:25)

Well, today, the large majority of the population in Kosovo is Albanian. Some say that the Albanians stole it from the Serbs who have been in Kosovo for 1000+ years. Let's assume it is so. The question I'm asking is how did Serbs get Kosovo before the Albanians? Where are the land deeds that prior owners gave to the Serbs 1000 years ago ? Nobody has showed them !

MikeC

pre 12 godina

Lenard

Lenard you are the nr 1 hypocrite at this forum. You say Serbia has an ambision to create a greater Serbia. While you were at it why didn't you mention that other countries in the region have similar ideas? I'll tell you why: Because you are a hypocrite.

Greater Hungary:
"Greater Hungary, an imminent danger"
http://www.presseurop.eu/en/content/article/257021-greater-hungary-imminent-danger
http://euobserver.com/9/31629

Greater Albania:
"We [Albanians from south Serbia] are preparing to realise the idea of a greater Albania to be formed by 2013 or 2015 at the latest," Rexhepi, the vice president of the Presevo assembly, said on Tuesday."
http://mondediplo.com/2006/07/14albania
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/greater-albania-to-be-formed-by-2013-south-serbia-leader-say

Greater Croatia:
"an alleged plan to ethnically cleanse parts of Bosnia in order to later join them to a Greater Croatia."
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/court-hears-details-greater-croatia-plan
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v15/n09/mark-thompson/greater-croatia

Lenard you are so easy to prove wrong! How old are you? 13? It's because of Croats like yourself that there was war in the Balkans. You are the main istigator to the horrors of the Balkans.

Long live Republika Srpska!

Peggy

pre 12 godina

1. Can we see a map showing us this revelation? There must be something you have that can prove what you are saying.
(Peggy, 28 May 2011 05:20)

What evidence you need ? Something similar to the deeds that Serbs have for the Kosovo land from whoever owned that land before them ?
(icj1, 28 May 2011 22:58)
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I am right to assume that you have no proof at all.

Serbs have all the proof of having Kosovo. Look around Kosovo and you will see it but we need a bit more than your word about what you say because there is nothing to see so we do need a map of some sort. Maps are easily obtained now so get to it.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Can we see a map showing us this revelation? There must be something you have that can prove what you are saying.
(Peggy, 28 May 2011 05:20)

What evidence you need ? Something similar to the deeds that Serbs have for the Kosovo land from whoever owned that land before them ?

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

I don't how B92 keeps claiming that Kosovo was not represented as country in this summit. I saw Kosovo flag hanging with flags of other countries on the building where summit was taking place. Kosovo flag was not in the room, however there were no other flags either.

Mendo

pre 12 godina

Guys forget Romenia no one really cares about Romania and to be honest I thing Europe would love to take Romenia out of EU. What matters is that Kosova was represented as a state without a doubt, if you see pictures on our media Kosovos flag was among other flags, so spear me the no flags no names joke.

Rote

pre 12 godina

SOFT TOY WARRIOR

1/ ABOUT THE LOST SOUL. I only have a couple of tools to help you. One is opening your eyes for what really happened in the past. So that you can try to estimate your current stance. Second is settling love in your broken heart. Today I can see only hatred there based on complex of inferiority. Something tells me last year you had some other NIC on this forum. But your reputation was so bad that you became a long tongue warrior.

2/ ABOUT THE UKRAINE. I am grateful to the Romanians for that process ! Finally our brothers started to understand than MALOROSSIA was quite a safe place while the UKRAINE is a target for the Hungarians , the Romanians and the Turks. As you know all the internationally acknowledged treaties concerning the borders were signed by the USSR and Russia. So now the Ukraine became a free hunt zone. You are welcome ! None of the them could open it’s dirty mouth in case the Ukraine were inside Mother Russia. But losing the island started to open their eyes and now we have another elite there. Thank you ! Romania’s tribute was noticeable !

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

rote kapelle, take a look to the your comments rating for your "lesson and truth"and after that return at the madhouse from you escaped...and don't forget your good medicaments.I may recommend a Romanian psychiatrist to your Romanophobia.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

@kapelle,I repeat:
Guys like you just do not realize that foolish and no one believes these lies?You have no clue. Read real history first, and then post. You learned history at the sovietic school, illiterate ukrainian with Romanophobia who want to be scientist.We talk here about ROMANIA and SERBIA and as well as Kosovo it is the ancient Christian heart of Serbia, Bessarabia and part of Bukovina stolen by your ancestors are Romanian lands." I’ll save this one lost soul."You don't have a little SHAME?The soul of the CHRISTIANS will be save just by OUR SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST.Go at the island of the snakes in the Black Sea and away your arrogance, based on sand castles. only you believe in that soviet tales, academic world will not put in mind the enormity of sustained without historical documents.Or have you forgotten soon the process won by ROMANIA at Hague against ukraine in 2009,with delimitation of the the Black Sea continental shelf ?Usually, The media loves to cover the atrocities committed by the Germans during the war, but rarely do you hear about the millions who died by the hands of the Soviets!

Rote Kapelle

pre 12 godina

Well WARRIOR I have a day out to educate you. But I won’t teach you good manners cause it must be too late. Yet you should know that there’s another stance at all the items to trouble you :

1/ CONCERNING POLAND. Please do not interfere this sphere ! I know 200 times more about these relations and trust me it’s a long talk. Katyn you mentioned is just one and rather small chain in our tragic history. It was initiated by Dr. Goebbels and later by the US with only one aim to further spoil our relations. But we are on our way to reconciliation and I am not going to let you provoke me. I am ready to discuss things only with ethnical Poles. By the way out of 250 000 of Polish prisoners of war 22 000 were killed in Katyn and as you know it is not the territory of Russia. In 6 camps on our soil there were no killings cause there was no threat of seizing them by Wermacht. Russia armed some 130 000 of Anders’ Corps and let it flee from the battle field during Stalingrad. They went tourism and were back to Europe in 1944. Later we created 1st Army of Voisko Polskoe ( 90 000 ) which fought as good as it was allowed to storm Berlin. Of course in Wermacht we had 500 000 of Poles but it was the tragedy of many European nations.

2/ CONCERNING MOLDOVA. This you have the right to know. So I explain that your stubborn dogmas have several weak places. First is that the brother people you are talking about prefers to be a separate nation instead of being a second rate Romanians. So they are Moldovans and so they sustain from joining you despite the severe pressure you render. Second is that Western Bukovina was a part of Romania only for 21 years because of your beloved communists and their October Revolution. Before that for 200 years they enjoyed Russian citizenship. So in 1941 we just returned what had belonged to us according to all the international treaties. And this is why most of them fought against the Romanian invaders in 1941-44. Third are the repressions all Soviets suffered. The Moldovans were part of ours and thus they also travelled to raise Syberian economy. Thanks to them we supply EU with gas and oil. Forth are the atrocities on both sides. After murdering 1 000 000 of our civilians you are not in a position to blame us of killing 2000 Soviets even if such a tragedy really took place.

3/ CONCERNING YALTA. Romania was imposed not only the current borders and republic constitution but also it had to pay us contributions though with a big discount. After the casualties we suffered from you (10 civillians for every killed Roman !) we had much more moral rights to punish you as you deserved it. But we didn’t. We forgave you and sustained from your eliminating. And don’t tell me stories about setting free the Romanian lands cause the 4-th Romanian Army is buried 2000 km away from those lands. The place is known as Stalingrad though if you decide to find your Grandpa you should search for Volgograd now.

4/ Listen warrior I cannot afford teaching you the whole history of the mankind so don’t talk of everything you have no idea of ! Put me short and direct questions and I’ll save this one lost soul. But please don tell me about NKVD crimes in prewar Europe , Polish prisoners of war murdered outside Katyn and other things which occur to you.

Je¿ albañski, rumuñski i faszystski

pre 12 godina

Yes, we are very familiar with "pula" - like in the phrase: "pula bozgor calului din gura matii".
As far as Ukraine being "Romanian" - not sooner, than red-white-green all over that non-existing "Transylvania", pardon me, Erdély. I know a pathetic country which never ever won a single war, just cleverly expanded it's territory.

Wait, there are actually TWO such countries. Wait, their people are related. Wait, they spell "hedgehog" nearly the same way: "arici" versus "iriqi". Yes, that's hedgehog's fault.

But you should see your brothers of "Kosova" and compare that "Daco-Romanian" crap with "Albano-Illyrian". Clearly, одного поля ягодицы

Peggy

pre 12 godina

If you dig deep enough, you will also notice that our languages (Albanian and Romanian) have many similarities - showing that Albanians and Romanians were nighbors, before the Slavic invasions. Not a big deal, but just an interesting fact.
(Numele meu, 27 May 2011 15:38)
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Can we see a map showing us this revelation? There must be something you have that can prove what you are saying.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

Yes, Romania has made its stance on the Kosovo issue perfectly clear and I hope this will lead to growing relations between us and Serbia, but take a pill and stop the messianic ramblings. I'm sure there are plenty of Romanian forums for that.
(Dacul, 27 May 2011 19:47)
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Seeing how Romanian warrior has a fascination to Dracula, could he possibly be from Transylvania?
That would explain the hatred for Russia and fascination for Dracula (Vlad the impaler).

Rote Kapelle

pre 12 godina

Pablo RO, 27 May

I am sorry if I hurt you cause I really didn’t mean to ! I have no phobias against any people but I had to stop the ROMANIAN WARRIOR’S complex of superiority. If I were him I would not touch items where there’s nothing to write home about. But every s*** is always busy with building a Heaps Pyramid … The entire history of mankind is full of wars and that of Romania’s made no exception. The hordes I mentioned went to and fro this territory meeting little resistance.

And it was not the guilt but the bad luck of the people here. They just had to accept their fate cause nothing really could be done. Maybe I am ignorant to insist that Romanians can be proud only with some episodes of resistance against the Turks but nothing else comes to my mind. Romania today is our brother Orthodox state which in many cases behaves much braver and honest than some of their Orthodox Slavs. So I wish you every success and prosperity. And if a Romanian starts to spread nonsense next time please stop him by yourself. Thank you !

Njeri

pre 12 godina

I guess people missed the flag of Kosovo in the yard among all other country flags. In the table no country had its flag.Only names of the presidents. Slovakia did everything not miss the important meeting. I guess Romania wasen't so smart but I guess Russia pointed their claws at Romania not to go. Poor country together with Serbia.

Serbia say hello to the new state wich is respected as an equal state in Europe. Time to accept the reality folks!!

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

@rotte kapelle , I'm sorry I have not posted since the beginning, especially to Soviet like you, who may have had the nerve to open their mouth after the atrocities committed by their forefathers, against the Poles at Katyn, 1940 and against Romanians at FANTANA ALBA, 1st of April 1941.Thieves OF EARTHS charged that is not yours.All educated people know that ukraine is an artificial state, leaven by stalin with lands stolen from Romania, Poland and former Czechoslovakia.Guys like you just do not realize that foolish and no one believes these lies?You have no clue. That "chunk of Ukraine" is today's Moldavia-Bessarabia and was always a Romanian territory. Most people who lived there are Romanians and they speak Romanian. Moldavia was taken by force by Russia during WW2. This is why the Romanian Marshall Antonescu declared war to Russia - to recover a Romanian territory. Read real history first, and then post. You learned history at the sovietic school.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

Romanian Warrior simpleton dont you know Serbians want parts of Romania for their age old retarded quest of a Grater Serbia http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Greater_Serbia/ .

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

@rote kappele, SHUT DOWN!!!
EXAMPLE of soviet MASSACRE in Romania :FANTANA ALBA, 1941
I'm sorry I have not posted since the beginning, especially to Soviet russians and ukrainians who may have had the nerve to open their mouth after the atrocities committed by their forefathers, against the Poles at Katyn and against Romanians at FANTANA ALBA, 1st of April 1941:"Fântâna Albã massacre:The Fântâna Albã massacre took place April 1, 1941, in Northern Bukovina when a large number of people (2,000) were killed by gunfire from Soviet troops while attempting to cross the border from the Soviet Union to Romania, near the village of Fântâna Albã (Romanian: "White Fountain"; Ukrainian: Bila Krynytsia), now in Chernivtsi Oblast, Ukraine.In June 1940, Romania was forced to withdraw from a territory inhabited by 3.76 million people, submitting to an ultimatum by the Soviet Union. The Romanian administration and military were evacuated, and the Red Army and NKVD quickly occupied the land. Many families were caught by surprise by the rapid unfolding of events, and had members on both sides of the new border. Therefore, many tried to cross the border, with or without official permission. According to official Soviet data, during[specify], in the area patrolled by the 97th Unit of Soviet Border Guards, 471 people had crossed the border illegally from the districts of Hlyboka, Hertsa, Putila, and Storozhynets. The zone assigned to this unit extended from the border to about 7.5 km south of Chernivtsi.On April 1, 1941, approximately 2,500–3,000 unarmed people from several villages (Pãtrãuþii-de-Sus, Pãtrãuþii-de-Jos, Cupca, Corceºti, Suceveni), carrying a white flag and religious symbols, walked together towards the new Soviet-Romanian border. There were rumors circulating that the Soviets would now permit crossing to Romania. At the border they were warned by the Soviet troops to stop After the group ignored the warning, the border guards began to shoot. According to lists compiled later[citation needed], casualty figures from just six Bukovina villages amounted to 44 people (17 from Pãtrãuþii-de-Jos, 12 from Trestiana, 5 each from Cupca and Suceveni, 3 from Pãtrãuþii-de-Sus, 2 from Opriºeni). A partial listing of those victims which were later identified.

Aftermath and larger context

During 1940-1941, between 12,000 and 13,000 Bukovinians (mostly, but not only ethnic Romanians) were deported to Siberia and the Gulag. Together with emigration and killings, during the same period, out of 250,000 Romanians in Chernivtsi Oblast, only 192,000 were left.[citation needed] It has been claimed that these persecutions were part of a program of deliberate extermination, planned and executed by the Soviet regime."
Nothing to comment more.
Romania has never had a Republican tradition, republic was imposed at Yalta in 1945 and as well as by Soviet tanks; on December 30, 1947 King Michael was forced to abdicate “in exchange” with life of 1000 Romanian students who supported the monarchy in the front of Royal Palace from Bucharest. Royal Romania was a respected and prosperous country and the Romanian state regressed with the Bolshevik Red Plague,terror imposed by stalin and as well as Roosevelt and Churchill's acceptance, in all countries of Central and Eastern Europe. Michael I, the last king of Romania, should be respected because that is the last leader alive during WW2.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

EXAMPLE of soviet MASSACRE in Poland : KATYN, 1940
“During the years 1939–41, nearly 1.5 million inhabitants of the Soviet-controlled areas of former eastern Poland were deported, of whom 63.1% were Poles or other nationalities and 7.4% were Jews. Only a small number of these deportees survived the war. According to American professor Carroll Quigley, at least one third of the 320,000 Polish prisoners of war captured by the Red Army in 1939 were murdered. The Katyn massacre, also known as the Katyn Forest massacre (Polish: zbrodnia katyñska, mord katyñski, 'Katyñ crime'; Russian: Катынский расстрел), was a mass execution of Polish nationals carried out by the Soviet secret police NKVD in April–May 1940. It was based on Lavrentiy Beria's proposal to execute all members of the Polish Officer Corps, dated 5 March 1940. This official document was approved and signed by the Soviet Politburo, including its leader, Joseph Stalin. The term "Katyn massacre" originally referred specifically to the massacre at Katyn Forest, near the villages of Katyn and Gnezdovo (ca. 19 kilometres (12 mi) west of Smolensk, Russia), of Polish military officers in the Kozelsk prisoner-of-war camp. This was the largest of several simultaneous executions of prisoners of war. Nazi Germany announced the discovery of mass graves in the Katyn Forest in 1943. The revelation led to the end of diplomatic relations between Moscow and the London-based Polish government-in-exile. The Soviet Union continued to deny responsibility for the massacres until 1990, when it officially acknowledged and condemned the perpetration of the killings by the NKVD. An investigation conducted by the Prosecutor General's Office of the Soviet Union (1990–1991) and the Russian Federation (1991–2004), has confirmed Soviet responsibility for the massacres. It was able to confirm the deaths of 1,803 Polish citizens but refused to classify this action as a war crime or an act of genocide. The investigation was closed on grounds that the perpetrators of the massacre were already dead, and since the Russian government would not classify the dead as victims of Stalinist repression, formal posthumous rehabilitation was ruled out. The human rights society Memorial issued a statement which declared "this termination of investigation is inadmissible" and that their confirmation of only 1,803 people killed "requires explanation because it is common knowledge that more than 14,500 prisoners were killed." In November 2010, the Russian State Duma approved a declaration blaming Stalin and other Soviet officials for having personally ordered the massacre.”
PS.I remember and “the accident” from 2010 near Smolensk, when almost all of Poland's political and military elite, led by President Lech Kacinski, were victims of a suspicious plane crash when they went to commemorate the victims of Katyn.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

@Kapelle
Nazi, Germany etc,etc,etc.BUT WHEN about stalin and soviet crimes????But why USUALLY mass-media hide to the public War crimes perpetrated by the armed forces of Soviet Russia and the Soviet Union from 1919 till 1991, who include acts committed by the regular army—the Red Army (later called the Soviet Army)—as well as the NKVD, including the NKVD's Internal Troops. “Many of these incidents occurred in Northern and Eastern Europe before and during World War II, and involved summary executions and mass murder of prisoners of war (such as Katyn massacre in POLAND , 1940 as well as FANTANA ALBA in ROMANIA, 1st of April 1941) and mistreatment of civilians in Soviet occupied territories. Although there are numerous documented cases of such incidents. In September 1939, the Red Army invaded eastern Poland and occupied it in accordance with the secret protocols of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Later, the Soviets forcefully occupied the Baltic States and parts of Romania, including Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina, as well.
Soviet policy in all of these areas was harsh towards the people under its control, showing strong elements of ethnic cleansing. NKVD task forces followed the Red Army to remove "Soviet-hostile elements" from the conquered territories.”

Pablo RO

pre 12 godina

@ Rote Kapelle
Would my country exist still if it had lost all its wars? We speak a latin language yet we are far away from the other latin countries. And about the crimes of war... Yes it's sad they had ever existed. And they were committed by many dictators. And many systems... Including by the communists or the nazis who were not a Romanian invention.
I suppose you are a Russian. There's no problem with that. Pushkin, Tolstoi and many others wrote great things (greater than Russia itself).

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Kosovo might be invited as equally, but won't be presented as a state - which matches the reality.
(Top, 27 May 2011 20:04)
And Kosovo will be inside the summit and being heard, Serbia will be outside being ignored. That is the reality. Do you really think all the participants are sitting in the room saying "I really, really wish Serbia was here, then it would be worth it"? The Serbian antics may have changed some of the formats of these gatherings but they have not caused anyone to say Kosovo you cannot come so that Serbia will be here.
Of course Serbs and Romanians can now sit around the campfire singing "kumbaya"

Rote Kapelle

pre 12 godina

The main though not declared aim of this forum is to build a buffer zone between the Western Europe where have many influential friends and Russia. But in no way something connected with Kosovo and Metohija. As for Tadic after the treason this man cannot afford leaving Serbia.

Top

pre 12 godina

"I like that Kosovo was invited as equally among other countries."
(Mendo, 27 May 2011 13:31)

Kosovo might be invited as equally, but won't be presented as a state - which matches the reality.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

@Fluid
I suppose you've heard even about Vlad the Impaler -VLAD TEPES, Prince of Wallachia (1431–1476)best known for his resistance against the Ottoman Empire and its expansion and for the impaling of enemies muslims, example:impaled Hamza Pasha, the Bey of Nicopolis brought with him 1,000 cavalry( who have inspired "educated" Western the association of his name to that of the vampire Count Dracula in Bram Stoker's 1897 novel Dracula).Just like our PRINCE VLAD I do with you, I will impaled you with my PULA, albanian fluid.No, it isn't the city Pula from Istria, Croatia.It is my GREAT ROMANIAN PULA.In this way did in Middle Age Romanian Princes with the muslim turks, in Walachia, Moldavia and Transylvania.

Rote Kapelle

pre 12 godina

WARRIOR : Eternal Glory to my country ROMANIA and all our ancestors, who defended Central and Eastern EUROPE against barbarian hordes as well as against the Ottoman Empire …

ROMANIAN WARRIOR sounds as strange as JEWISH WAFFEN SS or MONGOLIAN COMPUTER. Which of the hordes you mean ? Sarmatian , Alanian , Hones , Barbarians , Vandals , Mongolians , Russians ? All of them destroyed Dakia and Romania as a part of the big Empire. You lost all the wars you were involved in and you must have all those boods in your vessels.

The only place you had a success was when you murdered 1 million of Soviet civilians in the Ukraine and the North Caucasus. On the battle field we saw only your back sides. I have no Romanophobia but please do not lie. In Romanian history you have nothing to be proud of. At least during the past Millenium.

JohnBoy

pre 12 godina

How humiliating it must be for these heads of state to have to rush to obama's poodle party. At least tadic and the Romanian president have some self-respect. You can forget about us missiles in Romania, obama already announced re-negotiation with Russia.

Pablo RO

pre 12 godina

All my respects to the Serbian people who fought bravely for their country. I hope you will join EU soon. Kosovo is a part of Serbia.

Dacul

pre 12 godina

@RomanianWarrior

Dude, I'm from Romania, but I have to wonder why you hijack this Serbian forum with your nutty nationalistic ravings?

Yes, Romania has made its stance on the Kosovo issue perfectly clear and I hope this will lead to growing relations between us and Serbia, but take a pill and stop the messianic ramblings. I'm sure there are plenty of Romanian forums for that.

iliri

pre 12 godina

Romanian warrior...dacians were assimilated by the Romans (latins)...you are nothing more nothing less than a cocktail of romanized dacians, latins and slavs, even your orthodoxy comes from bulgarians...while Albanians resisted the romanisation, christianisation and muslimanisation, someone might say albanians are muslims catholics and orthodox or what ever, still our blood stayed Albania, our priests and imams still follow the pagan rites, and they keep they mouth shut about politics, they even admit the fact that the rites are pagan, only little we are left but that is enough, we compromised with religions of our invaders and took ruling positions but we never forgot our blood while you became romans and embraced the slavic orthodoxy, your identity is latin orthodoxy, weird mixture,..., actually Roman empire was not an invader in our lands, they did not try to assimilate us or anything, illyrians even became generals in the roman army, even though romans did not approve other than romans to become emperors, illyrians took the ruling positins by force and caused many civil wars among the empire but we faught the barbarians as well, illyrians were the last to fight the slavic and other barbarian hordes which destroyed the empire..when we gave to roman 11 emperors, and ruled the roman empire for one century, dacians couldn't even stop the huns, slavs and other barbarians, ...fought the ottomans? wasn't the hungarians who led the romanians back then? We like it or not, Serbs, Albanians, Romanians, Greeks, Bulgarians failed to stop the ottomans, the ones who stopped were the hungarians, polish lithuanians, austrians, croats etc...back then when Hunyad was fighting, serbs were helping the ottomans, many serbs took refugge in vojvodina, how does serbia return the favour? annex that hungarian land...If Kosovo is serbian land, then, serbia, to show common sense first should return vojvodina to hungary, belgrade and nisch to Bulgaria, then they shall come to us and ask kosovo back...but if Serbia is willing to keep vojvodina, Belgrade and Nisch and ask for Kosovo, no sir, no double standarts please. Also, Romania should return Transilvania back to Hungary. In such case, Montenegro should return to ALbania, considering the 1444 league of lezha, you want medieval borders? These are medieval borders...also,anything that was under despotate of epirus should return to Albania...yet this is unrealistic, the best way to deal with problems, is that ancient people of balkans, Albanians, Greeks and Romanians should unite, roman empire was not that bad afterall, and opose the slavic influence in the balkans, simple as that, like in the ancient times, civilised world against the barbarians...and one last thing, how can a dacian/or a roman be proud of beig christian orthodox, as long as Roman empire was a pagan empire it prospered and invaded the known world, once it got crisitianised, it broke down....see ? If you really are a romanian, you would hate slavs more than i do...weren't the russians that executed 100 000 romanian soldiers even though Romania surrendered to red army and joined the communists? Weren't the slavs that took Besarabia from you? If you love serbs so much you surely have some slavic origins, it is your blood you can not neglet the blood afterall.

Fluid

pre 12 godina

Romanian Warrior,

Since it appears that you are representing a "heavenly nation" and have a special relationship with God, could you please tell me when will the world end? There was an incorrect prediction last week, but I am sure you have better sources.

Oh, also, in addition, if you could, please send us the lottery numbers... we're tired of working for our living, therefore some lottery money would help.

Peace

Mike

pre 12 godina

A bad move for Serbia and Romania considering that a compromise was reached to strip Kosovo of any state symbols and voting power, making them little more than an observer. This was a compromise reached to get Slovakia to join and I see no reason why Serbia and Romania couldn't have followed suit since previous arrangements like this were called for by Belgrade and no protests were coming from Pristina this time.

Additionally, Tadic could have been hailed as the man of the hour at the meeting. Obama got Osama and Tadic got Mladic. In my opinion, a big opportunity amid a scaled-down representation for Kosovo was missed. Luckily for him he can claim to now be too busy arranging Mladic's extradition.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

Eternal Glory to my country ROMANIA and all our ancestors, who defended Central and Eastern EUROPE against barbarian hordes as well as against the Ottoman Empire in the Middle Ages.OUR SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST bless ROMANIA , named by Pope JOHN PAUL the 2nd" SAINT VIRGIN garden", in the first visit of a bishop of Rome in a majority Orthodox country in the last 1000 years!That was in 1999, when worthy of remembering Pope JOHN PAUL the 2nd and Patriarch TEOCTIST of Romanian Orthodox church celebrated in Bucharest together the Divine Liturgy, in the cheers of two million Orthodox believers and Catholics who shouted "UNITY". That it is unforgettable. I'm glad, as a Christian Orthodox, the date of Easter this year was the same for all of Christianity.My hope is the FATHER, my refuge is the SON, my protection is the HOLY SPIRIT, HOLY TRINITY Glory to you.Amen. Our Saviour JESUS CHRIST will protect all Christians, whatever of denomination.
PS .to miri and fluid:Transylvania is a region from ROMANIA, with 80% ROMANIANS and 14% hungarians(read the official statistic)-and that was the same from the Middle Age till now and all the future;as well as, Kosovo is Serbia.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

@FLUID"Well, with 1.43 million Hungarians in Romania, and half a million Hungarians in Slovakia, they are nervous. "
what????official, we are 22,3 milion, 89% ROMANIANS white and neolatins, 5% hungarians-YES, The largest ethnic minorities ; 2,5% gypsies;3,5%others,including as well here Serbs and Albanians.I REMIND YOU Romanian Royal Army occupied Hungary and Budapest twice, in 1919 and 1944.Funny fluid!!!!

@miri" 1. Romanian warrior, you have nothing to do with Kosova and Serbia, it's none of your business. But if you insist, be aware that you're looking to thrust a knife in the heart of your own country.

Did you know that "Trasylvania is the sacred land of Hungary"?"
WHAT???In their dreams can!!!So I tell you as well that DACIA kingdom led by Burebista stretched from Albania to Ukraine from today.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 12 godina

FLUID

I am picking up what you are puting down.

It's kind of like when the USA bombed Belgrade so that they could kick out 200,000 Serbs from Kosovo; ultimately handing over Kosovo to the Albanians.

It's too bad that Mladic wasn't down in Kosovo keeping the peace between Albanians and Serbians!!

Numele meu

pre 12 godina

Romanian Warrior wrote "... and Kosovo; muslims want to destroy all traces of Christians."

Romanian Warrior - hate to interrupt your crusade...

Smack in the middle of Pristina, Kosovo's capital, you have the newest Catholic Church in the Balkans (still under construction - final touch-ups in progress). Last time I checked, Catholics were Christians too.

There are statues of Mother Theresa (yes, she was Albanian and a Christian). Additionally, don't forget that Albanians belong to three different religions, including Eastern Orthodox and they were opressed by Communists just like you were by Nicolae Ceaușescu.

If you dig deep enough, you will also notice that our languages (Albanian and Romanian) have many similarities - showing that Albanians and Romanians were nighbors, before the Slavic invasions. Not a big deal, but just an interesting fact.

Luigi

pre 12 godina

I was almost right in my previous predictions...Kosovo will attend as a shadow-state..Slowakia is in with a quick ready change of stance..but Romania...well i must admit that i believed that Traian B. would have said yes to Obama's phone call immediatly BUT INSTEAD HE STOOD firm on his feet and... accept all the missiles that Barack will deploy near Bucharest...

miri

pre 12 godina

Romanian warrior, you have nothing to do with Kosova and Serbia, it's none of your business. But if you insist, be aware that you're looking to thrust a knife in the heart of your own country.

Did you know that "Trasylvania is the sacred land of Hungary"?

Fluid

pre 12 godina

Well, with 1.43 million Hungarians in Romania, and half a million Hungarians in Slovakia, they are nervous.

These Hungarians live in territories given to those countries by "Treaty of Trianon", after the defeat of Austro-Hungaria in the beginning of the 20th century. Same story with Vojvodina in Serbia.

There is always fear that these regions will want to join the motherland, thus the refusal.

Fluid

pre 12 godina

"ROMANIA is the 7th (seventh) EU country as size and population, as well as one of the leading NATO members in Europe.. Especially we in Central and Eastern European countries, we understand well the message of the Pope JOHN PAUL "DON'T be afraid"."

Romanian Warrior - was that a threat? You quote the Pope yet you threaten? That says a lot.

Regardless, I am happy that Romania is doing well. It is good that you have enough food to eat, and can even afford the internet.

Let me not forget to mention that there are tons of Romanian working girls in Kosovo as well (where I live) - which is a great thing since they are contributing to the Romanian economy by sending their Euros back home.

Finally, I also adore the Romanian adult stars. They are doing really well in the States and EU.

Keep it up! Enjoy democracy, but remember, democracy has its limits as well - threats are punishable by law.

Dariusz Strondecki

pre 12 godina

--Polish foreign minister Radoslaw Sikorski meanwhile urged Serbia to "show it has overcome its past demons".

"Kosovo, so far I'm aware, is currently recognized by 75 countries, including Poland and most EU members. So there's no reason not to invite Kosovo's representative," he said.--

Ahh Radek, Radek..., so you see my friends, who call the shots in our beloved Poland ! I'm

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

In the EU Lisbon Treaty were not mentioned Europe's Christian roots???!!!, in the name of "positive discrimination" and not to "disturb" packs of immigrants and especially of their "sensitivity" .It is time for us Europeans and especially political leaders of the 27 EU countries aware of the danger of muslim intolerance.And we know well this, because we have in Europe a little muslim majority state named Albania =who is as well as member NATO!!!!! and 2 two former Yugoslav provinces,Bosnia with one-third of the inhabitants muslim and Kosovo; muslims want to destroy all traces of Christians . Radical islam is the fact :intolerance, terror, revenge....especially against Christianity. That saw all in Egypt earlier this year, when 30 Coptic Christians were killed in Alexandria
- Honor to the EU countries who have not recognized Kosovo muslim sting:CYPRUS, GREECE, ROMANIA, SLOVAKIA and SPAIN.
Kosovo is Serbia, Serbian Christian heart, with so many Orthodox monasteries in UNESCO heritage...many of whom escaped because and Romanian gendarmes present there ,unfortunately many were destroyed by the Albanians.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

To the albanians who have commented and who will comment here about ROMANIA:
ROMANIA is the 7th (seventh) EU country as size and population, as well as one of the leading NATO members in Europe.. Especially we in Central and Eastern European countries, we understand well the message of the Pope JOHN PAUL "DON'T be afraid". Because at our skin has experienced a communist system killer, who deny CHRIST .For example, Romania has never had a Republican tradition, republic was imposed at Yalta in 1945 and as well as by Soviet tanks; on December 30, 1947 King Michael was forced to abdicate “in exchange” with life of 1000 Romanian students who supported the monarchy in the front of Royal Palace from Bucharest. Royal Romania was a respected and prosperous country and the Romanian state regressed with the Bolshevik Red Plague,terror imposed by stalin and as well as Roosevelt and Churchill's acceptance, in all countries of Central and Eastern Europe. Michael I, the last king of Romania, should be respected because that is the last leader alive during WW2.As well as Romania was Poland , Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia etc.What is little Albania in the history of the Europe, except so-called Illyrian descent?Is mafia, drugs, intolerance… and destruction of Orthodox monasteries in Kosovo.Kosovo is Serbia .
PS.Before WW2 Romania, former Yugoslavia and former Czechoslovakia allied to the "Little Entente" and so will always be.Now it is ROMANIA, SERBIA and SLOVAKIA.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

He reversed his initial plan to boycott the summit after Polish organizers agreed not to display "state symbols or the name" of Kosovo as an independent state.
Gašparovič was also granted his wish that no joint declaration should be signed that would include Kosovo's Atifete Jahjaga.
--
Well done Kosova.
Well done Ms Jahjaga.
Tung
(FREEDOM, 27 May 2011 12:46)
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Considering "Kosova" will be a non-entity and a non-signatory to the declaration at this summit and since you are still happy about that then hey, I'm happy also. We are finally getting somewhere.

I am glad you guys are finally coming around and accepting reality. Hopefully we will achieve peace and reconciliation soon.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

It is one of the few occasions when I agree with President of my country ROMANIA, Traian Basescu:"As the organisers decided to invite an entity that is not recognised as a state by our country, the president of Romania, Traian Basescu, will not participate in the event," said a presidential spokesman to Romanian press agencies."Honor to the EU countries who have not recognized Kosovo muslim sting:CYPRUS, GREECE, ROMANIA, SLOVAKIA and SPAIN.To the Serbs I would recommend them to treat well Romanians in Serbia- I mean in religious terms. in Romania all have a good treatment for minorities.Do not forget that have never been your enemies, example when Germany called on Marshal Antonescu in 1941 to take a piece of Yugoslavia, he refused.DA, Kosovo was the heart of Serbia from Middle Age till now and Kosovo is Serbia.

Jovan

pre 12 godina

well done??? even if Touchy, the criminal in Pristina, turned out to be a serb secret agent or the US let you down, you would make something positive out of that here, right? come on kids, don´t be silly. two REAL states won´t attend and that is clearly shadowing this summit.

this is certainly no success for "kosovaaahhh" =)

it´s a nice try, but it failed.


and interpreting that boycott as somehow connected to the Mladic-arrest, is so out of this world... you are really sitting in a hole down there in Pristina. it is not Serbia being isolated, I´d say...

Obilic

pre 12 godina

Hey traitor Tadic, you're not fooling anyone. Why are you pretending to care about Srbija after your treasonous actions yesterday? Don't worry, after the next elections you will hopefully be forgotten, but the real hero Mladic will not! Save Srbija now and resign from office!

Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

But the decision of organizers to invite Kosovo as an independent state prompted presidents of Serbia and Romania, Boris Tadić and Traian Basescu, to snub the meeting.


I am sure Tadic would have gone to Poland, but he allready had scheduled Mladic's arrest, so this was just an excuse.than he asked 2-3 country not to take part.Lucky he got just one.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

To the albanians who have commented and who will comment here about ROMANIA:
ROMANIA is the 7th (seventh) EU country as size and population, as well as one of the leading NATO members in Europe.. Especially we in Central and Eastern European countries, we understand well the message of the Pope JOHN PAUL "DON'T be afraid". Because at our skin has experienced a communist system killer, who deny CHRIST .For example, Romania has never had a Republican tradition, republic was imposed at Yalta in 1945 and as well as by Soviet tanks; on December 30, 1947 King Michael was forced to abdicate “in exchange” with life of 1000 Romanian students who supported the monarchy in the front of Royal Palace from Bucharest. Royal Romania was a respected and prosperous country and the Romanian state regressed with the Bolshevik Red Plague,terror imposed by stalin and as well as Roosevelt and Churchill's acceptance, in all countries of Central and Eastern Europe. Michael I, the last king of Romania, should be respected because that is the last leader alive during WW2.As well as Romania was Poland , Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia etc.What is little Albania in the history of the Europe, except so-called Illyrian descent?Is mafia, drugs, intolerance… and destruction of Orthodox monasteries in Kosovo.Kosovo is Serbia .
PS.Before WW2 Romania, former Yugoslavia and former Czechoslovakia allied to the "Little Entente" and so will always be.Now it is ROMANIA, SERBIA and SLOVAKIA.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

In the EU Lisbon Treaty were not mentioned Europe's Christian roots???!!!, in the name of "positive discrimination" and not to "disturb" packs of immigrants and especially of their "sensitivity" .It is time for us Europeans and especially political leaders of the 27 EU countries aware of the danger of muslim intolerance.And we know well this, because we have in Europe a little muslim majority state named Albania =who is as well as member NATO!!!!! and 2 two former Yugoslav provinces,Bosnia with one-third of the inhabitants muslim and Kosovo; muslims want to destroy all traces of Christians . Radical islam is the fact :intolerance, terror, revenge....especially against Christianity. That saw all in Egypt earlier this year, when 30 Coptic Christians were killed in Alexandria
- Honor to the EU countries who have not recognized Kosovo muslim sting:CYPRUS, GREECE, ROMANIA, SLOVAKIA and SPAIN.
Kosovo is Serbia, Serbian Christian heart, with so many Orthodox monasteries in UNESCO heritage...many of whom escaped because and Romanian gendarmes present there ,unfortunately many were destroyed by the Albanians.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

It is one of the few occasions when I agree with President of my country ROMANIA, Traian Basescu:"As the organisers decided to invite an entity that is not recognised as a state by our country, the president of Romania, Traian Basescu, will not participate in the event," said a presidential spokesman to Romanian press agencies."Honor to the EU countries who have not recognized Kosovo muslim sting:CYPRUS, GREECE, ROMANIA, SLOVAKIA and SPAIN.To the Serbs I would recommend them to treat well Romanians in Serbia- I mean in religious terms. in Romania all have a good treatment for minorities.Do not forget that have never been your enemies, example when Germany called on Marshal Antonescu in 1941 to take a piece of Yugoslavia, he refused.DA, Kosovo was the heart of Serbia from Middle Age till now and Kosovo is Serbia.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

@FLUID"Well, with 1.43 million Hungarians in Romania, and half a million Hungarians in Slovakia, they are nervous. "
what????official, we are 22,3 milion, 89% ROMANIANS white and neolatins, 5% hungarians-YES, The largest ethnic minorities ; 2,5% gypsies;3,5%others,including as well here Serbs and Albanians.I REMIND YOU Romanian Royal Army occupied Hungary and Budapest twice, in 1919 and 1944.Funny fluid!!!!

@miri" 1. Romanian warrior, you have nothing to do with Kosova and Serbia, it's none of your business. But if you insist, be aware that you're looking to thrust a knife in the heart of your own country.

Did you know that "Trasylvania is the sacred land of Hungary"?"
WHAT???In their dreams can!!!So I tell you as well that DACIA kingdom led by Burebista stretched from Albania to Ukraine from today.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

Eternal Glory to my country ROMANIA and all our ancestors, who defended Central and Eastern EUROPE against barbarian hordes as well as against the Ottoman Empire in the Middle Ages.OUR SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST bless ROMANIA , named by Pope JOHN PAUL the 2nd" SAINT VIRGIN garden", in the first visit of a bishop of Rome in a majority Orthodox country in the last 1000 years!That was in 1999, when worthy of remembering Pope JOHN PAUL the 2nd and Patriarch TEOCTIST of Romanian Orthodox church celebrated in Bucharest together the Divine Liturgy, in the cheers of two million Orthodox believers and Catholics who shouted "UNITY". That it is unforgettable. I'm glad, as a Christian Orthodox, the date of Easter this year was the same for all of Christianity.My hope is the FATHER, my refuge is the SON, my protection is the HOLY SPIRIT, HOLY TRINITY Glory to you.Amen. Our Saviour JESUS CHRIST will protect all Christians, whatever of denomination.
PS .to miri and fluid:Transylvania is a region from ROMANIA, with 80% ROMANIANS and 14% hungarians(read the official statistic)-and that was the same from the Middle Age till now and all the future;as well as, Kosovo is Serbia.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

@Fluid
I suppose you've heard even about Vlad the Impaler -VLAD TEPES, Prince of Wallachia (1431–1476)best known for his resistance against the Ottoman Empire and its expansion and for the impaling of enemies muslims, example:impaled Hamza Pasha, the Bey of Nicopolis brought with him 1,000 cavalry( who have inspired "educated" Western the association of his name to that of the vampire Count Dracula in Bram Stoker's 1897 novel Dracula).Just like our PRINCE VLAD I do with you, I will impaled you with my PULA, albanian fluid.No, it isn't the city Pula from Istria, Croatia.It is my GREAT ROMANIAN PULA.In this way did in Middle Age Romanian Princes with the muslim turks, in Walachia, Moldavia and Transylvania.

Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

But the decision of organizers to invite Kosovo as an independent state prompted presidents of Serbia and Romania, Boris Tadić and Traian Basescu, to snub the meeting.


I am sure Tadic would have gone to Poland, but he allready had scheduled Mladic's arrest, so this was just an excuse.than he asked 2-3 country not to take part.Lucky he got just one.

Obilic

pre 12 godina

Hey traitor Tadic, you're not fooling anyone. Why are you pretending to care about Srbija after your treasonous actions yesterday? Don't worry, after the next elections you will hopefully be forgotten, but the real hero Mladic will not! Save Srbija now and resign from office!

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

@kapelle,I repeat:
Guys like you just do not realize that foolish and no one believes these lies?You have no clue. Read real history first, and then post. You learned history at the sovietic school, illiterate ukrainian with Romanophobia who want to be scientist.We talk here about ROMANIA and SERBIA and as well as Kosovo it is the ancient Christian heart of Serbia, Bessarabia and part of Bukovina stolen by your ancestors are Romanian lands." I’ll save this one lost soul."You don't have a little SHAME?The soul of the CHRISTIANS will be save just by OUR SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST.Go at the island of the snakes in the Black Sea and away your arrogance, based on sand castles. only you believe in that soviet tales, academic world will not put in mind the enormity of sustained without historical documents.Or have you forgotten soon the process won by ROMANIA at Hague against ukraine in 2009,with delimitation of the the Black Sea continental shelf ?Usually, The media loves to cover the atrocities committed by the Germans during the war, but rarely do you hear about the millions who died by the hands of the Soviets!

Jovan

pre 12 godina

well done??? even if Touchy, the criminal in Pristina, turned out to be a serb secret agent or the US let you down, you would make something positive out of that here, right? come on kids, don´t be silly. two REAL states won´t attend and that is clearly shadowing this summit.

this is certainly no success for "kosovaaahhh" =)

it´s a nice try, but it failed.


and interpreting that boycott as somehow connected to the Mladic-arrest, is so out of this world... you are really sitting in a hole down there in Pristina. it is not Serbia being isolated, I´d say...

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

rote kapelle, take a look to the your comments rating for your "lesson and truth"and after that return at the madhouse from you escaped...and don't forget your good medicaments.I may recommend a Romanian psychiatrist to your Romanophobia.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

@rotte kapelle , I'm sorry I have not posted since the beginning, especially to Soviet like you, who may have had the nerve to open their mouth after the atrocities committed by their forefathers, against the Poles at Katyn, 1940 and against Romanians at FANTANA ALBA, 1st of April 1941.Thieves OF EARTHS charged that is not yours.All educated people know that ukraine is an artificial state, leaven by stalin with lands stolen from Romania, Poland and former Czechoslovakia.Guys like you just do not realize that foolish and no one believes these lies?You have no clue. That "chunk of Ukraine" is today's Moldavia-Bessarabia and was always a Romanian territory. Most people who lived there are Romanians and they speak Romanian. Moldavia was taken by force by Russia during WW2. This is why the Romanian Marshall Antonescu declared war to Russia - to recover a Romanian territory. Read real history first, and then post. You learned history at the sovietic school.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

He reversed his initial plan to boycott the summit after Polish organizers agreed not to display "state symbols or the name" of Kosovo as an independent state.
Gašparovič was also granted his wish that no joint declaration should be signed that would include Kosovo's Atifete Jahjaga.
--
Well done Kosova.
Well done Ms Jahjaga.
Tung
(FREEDOM, 27 May 2011 12:46)
--
Considering "Kosova" will be a non-entity and a non-signatory to the declaration at this summit and since you are still happy about that then hey, I'm happy also. We are finally getting somewhere.

I am glad you guys are finally coming around and accepting reality. Hopefully we will achieve peace and reconciliation soon.

miri

pre 12 godina

Romanian warrior, you have nothing to do with Kosova and Serbia, it's none of your business. But if you insist, be aware that you're looking to thrust a knife in the heart of your own country.

Did you know that "Trasylvania is the sacred land of Hungary"?

Pablo RO

pre 12 godina

@ Rote Kapelle
Would my country exist still if it had lost all its wars? We speak a latin language yet we are far away from the other latin countries. And about the crimes of war... Yes it's sad they had ever existed. And they were committed by many dictators. And many systems... Including by the communists or the nazis who were not a Romanian invention.
I suppose you are a Russian. There's no problem with that. Pushkin, Tolstoi and many others wrote great things (greater than Russia itself).

iliri

pre 12 godina

Romanian warrior...dacians were assimilated by the Romans (latins)...you are nothing more nothing less than a cocktail of romanized dacians, latins and slavs, even your orthodoxy comes from bulgarians...while Albanians resisted the romanisation, christianisation and muslimanisation, someone might say albanians are muslims catholics and orthodox or what ever, still our blood stayed Albania, our priests and imams still follow the pagan rites, and they keep they mouth shut about politics, they even admit the fact that the rites are pagan, only little we are left but that is enough, we compromised with religions of our invaders and took ruling positions but we never forgot our blood while you became romans and embraced the slavic orthodoxy, your identity is latin orthodoxy, weird mixture,..., actually Roman empire was not an invader in our lands, they did not try to assimilate us or anything, illyrians even became generals in the roman army, even though romans did not approve other than romans to become emperors, illyrians took the ruling positins by force and caused many civil wars among the empire but we faught the barbarians as well, illyrians were the last to fight the slavic and other barbarian hordes which destroyed the empire..when we gave to roman 11 emperors, and ruled the roman empire for one century, dacians couldn't even stop the huns, slavs and other barbarians, ...fought the ottomans? wasn't the hungarians who led the romanians back then? We like it or not, Serbs, Albanians, Romanians, Greeks, Bulgarians failed to stop the ottomans, the ones who stopped were the hungarians, polish lithuanians, austrians, croats etc...back then when Hunyad was fighting, serbs were helping the ottomans, many serbs took refugge in vojvodina, how does serbia return the favour? annex that hungarian land...If Kosovo is serbian land, then, serbia, to show common sense first should return vojvodina to hungary, belgrade and nisch to Bulgaria, then they shall come to us and ask kosovo back...but if Serbia is willing to keep vojvodina, Belgrade and Nisch and ask for Kosovo, no sir, no double standarts please. Also, Romania should return Transilvania back to Hungary. In such case, Montenegro should return to ALbania, considering the 1444 league of lezha, you want medieval borders? These are medieval borders...also,anything that was under despotate of epirus should return to Albania...yet this is unrealistic, the best way to deal with problems, is that ancient people of balkans, Albanians, Greeks and Romanians should unite, roman empire was not that bad afterall, and opose the slavic influence in the balkans, simple as that, like in the ancient times, civilised world against the barbarians...and one last thing, how can a dacian/or a roman be proud of beig christian orthodox, as long as Roman empire was a pagan empire it prospered and invaded the known world, once it got crisitianised, it broke down....see ? If you really are a romanian, you would hate slavs more than i do...weren't the russians that executed 100 000 romanian soldiers even though Romania surrendered to red army and joined the communists? Weren't the slavs that took Besarabia from you? If you love serbs so much you surely have some slavic origins, it is your blood you can not neglet the blood afterall.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

@rote kappele, SHUT DOWN!!!
EXAMPLE of soviet MASSACRE in Romania :FANTANA ALBA, 1941
I'm sorry I have not posted since the beginning, especially to Soviet russians and ukrainians who may have had the nerve to open their mouth after the atrocities committed by their forefathers, against the Poles at Katyn and against Romanians at FANTANA ALBA, 1st of April 1941:"Fântâna Albã massacre:The Fântâna Albã massacre took place April 1, 1941, in Northern Bukovina when a large number of people (2,000) were killed by gunfire from Soviet troops while attempting to cross the border from the Soviet Union to Romania, near the village of Fântâna Albã (Romanian: "White Fountain"; Ukrainian: Bila Krynytsia), now in Chernivtsi Oblast, Ukraine.In June 1940, Romania was forced to withdraw from a territory inhabited by 3.76 million people, submitting to an ultimatum by the Soviet Union. The Romanian administration and military were evacuated, and the Red Army and NKVD quickly occupied the land. Many families were caught by surprise by the rapid unfolding of events, and had members on both sides of the new border. Therefore, many tried to cross the border, with or without official permission. According to official Soviet data, during[specify], in the area patrolled by the 97th Unit of Soviet Border Guards, 471 people had crossed the border illegally from the districts of Hlyboka, Hertsa, Putila, and Storozhynets. The zone assigned to this unit extended from the border to about 7.5 km south of Chernivtsi.On April 1, 1941, approximately 2,500–3,000 unarmed people from several villages (Pãtrãuþii-de-Sus, Pãtrãuþii-de-Jos, Cupca, Corceºti, Suceveni), carrying a white flag and religious symbols, walked together towards the new Soviet-Romanian border. There were rumors circulating that the Soviets would now permit crossing to Romania. At the border they were warned by the Soviet troops to stop After the group ignored the warning, the border guards began to shoot. According to lists compiled later[citation needed], casualty figures from just six Bukovina villages amounted to 44 people (17 from Pãtrãuþii-de-Jos, 12 from Trestiana, 5 each from Cupca and Suceveni, 3 from Pãtrãuþii-de-Sus, 2 from Opriºeni). A partial listing of those victims which were later identified.

Aftermath and larger context

During 1940-1941, between 12,000 and 13,000 Bukovinians (mostly, but not only ethnic Romanians) were deported to Siberia and the Gulag. Together with emigration and killings, during the same period, out of 250,000 Romanians in Chernivtsi Oblast, only 192,000 were left.[citation needed] It has been claimed that these persecutions were part of a program of deliberate extermination, planned and executed by the Soviet regime."
Nothing to comment more.
Romania has never had a Republican tradition, republic was imposed at Yalta in 1945 and as well as by Soviet tanks; on December 30, 1947 King Michael was forced to abdicate “in exchange” with life of 1000 Romanian students who supported the monarchy in the front of Royal Palace from Bucharest. Royal Romania was a respected and prosperous country and the Romanian state regressed with the Bolshevik Red Plague,terror imposed by stalin and as well as Roosevelt and Churchill's acceptance, in all countries of Central and Eastern Europe. Michael I, the last king of Romania, should be respected because that is the last leader alive during WW2.

Fluid

pre 12 godina

Well, with 1.43 million Hungarians in Romania, and half a million Hungarians in Slovakia, they are nervous.

These Hungarians live in territories given to those countries by "Treaty of Trianon", after the defeat of Austro-Hungaria in the beginning of the 20th century. Same story with Vojvodina in Serbia.

There is always fear that these regions will want to join the motherland, thus the refusal.

Pablo RO

pre 12 godina

All my respects to the Serbian people who fought bravely for their country. I hope you will join EU soon. Kosovo is a part of Serbia.

Numele meu

pre 12 godina

Romanian Warrior wrote "... and Kosovo; muslims want to destroy all traces of Christians."

Romanian Warrior - hate to interrupt your crusade...

Smack in the middle of Pristina, Kosovo's capital, you have the newest Catholic Church in the Balkans (still under construction - final touch-ups in progress). Last time I checked, Catholics were Christians too.

There are statues of Mother Theresa (yes, she was Albanian and a Christian). Additionally, don't forget that Albanians belong to three different religions, including Eastern Orthodox and they were opressed by Communists just like you were by Nicolae Ceaușescu.

If you dig deep enough, you will also notice that our languages (Albanian and Romanian) have many similarities - showing that Albanians and Romanians were nighbors, before the Slavic invasions. Not a big deal, but just an interesting fact.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 12 godina

FLUID

I am picking up what you are puting down.

It's kind of like when the USA bombed Belgrade so that they could kick out 200,000 Serbs from Kosovo; ultimately handing over Kosovo to the Albanians.

It's too bad that Mladic wasn't down in Kosovo keeping the peace between Albanians and Serbians!!

Dacul

pre 12 godina

@RomanianWarrior

Dude, I'm from Romania, but I have to wonder why you hijack this Serbian forum with your nutty nationalistic ravings?

Yes, Romania has made its stance on the Kosovo issue perfectly clear and I hope this will lead to growing relations between us and Serbia, but take a pill and stop the messianic ramblings. I'm sure there are plenty of Romanian forums for that.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

@Kapelle
Nazi, Germany etc,etc,etc.BUT WHEN about stalin and soviet crimes????But why USUALLY mass-media hide to the public War crimes perpetrated by the armed forces of Soviet Russia and the Soviet Union from 1919 till 1991, who include acts committed by the regular army—the Red Army (later called the Soviet Army)—as well as the NKVD, including the NKVD's Internal Troops. “Many of these incidents occurred in Northern and Eastern Europe before and during World War II, and involved summary executions and mass murder of prisoners of war (such as Katyn massacre in POLAND , 1940 as well as FANTANA ALBA in ROMANIA, 1st of April 1941) and mistreatment of civilians in Soviet occupied territories. Although there are numerous documented cases of such incidents. In September 1939, the Red Army invaded eastern Poland and occupied it in accordance with the secret protocols of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Later, the Soviets forcefully occupied the Baltic States and parts of Romania, including Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina, as well.
Soviet policy in all of these areas was harsh towards the people under its control, showing strong elements of ethnic cleansing. NKVD task forces followed the Red Army to remove "Soviet-hostile elements" from the conquered territories.”

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

EXAMPLE of soviet MASSACRE in Poland : KATYN, 1940
“During the years 1939–41, nearly 1.5 million inhabitants of the Soviet-controlled areas of former eastern Poland were deported, of whom 63.1% were Poles or other nationalities and 7.4% were Jews. Only a small number of these deportees survived the war. According to American professor Carroll Quigley, at least one third of the 320,000 Polish prisoners of war captured by the Red Army in 1939 were murdered. The Katyn massacre, also known as the Katyn Forest massacre (Polish: zbrodnia katyñska, mord katyñski, 'Katyñ crime'; Russian: Катынский расстрел), was a mass execution of Polish nationals carried out by the Soviet secret police NKVD in April–May 1940. It was based on Lavrentiy Beria's proposal to execute all members of the Polish Officer Corps, dated 5 March 1940. This official document was approved and signed by the Soviet Politburo, including its leader, Joseph Stalin. The term "Katyn massacre" originally referred specifically to the massacre at Katyn Forest, near the villages of Katyn and Gnezdovo (ca. 19 kilometres (12 mi) west of Smolensk, Russia), of Polish military officers in the Kozelsk prisoner-of-war camp. This was the largest of several simultaneous executions of prisoners of war. Nazi Germany announced the discovery of mass graves in the Katyn Forest in 1943. The revelation led to the end of diplomatic relations between Moscow and the London-based Polish government-in-exile. The Soviet Union continued to deny responsibility for the massacres until 1990, when it officially acknowledged and condemned the perpetration of the killings by the NKVD. An investigation conducted by the Prosecutor General's Office of the Soviet Union (1990–1991) and the Russian Federation (1991–2004), has confirmed Soviet responsibility for the massacres. It was able to confirm the deaths of 1,803 Polish citizens but refused to classify this action as a war crime or an act of genocide. The investigation was closed on grounds that the perpetrators of the massacre were already dead, and since the Russian government would not classify the dead as victims of Stalinist repression, formal posthumous rehabilitation was ruled out. The human rights society Memorial issued a statement which declared "this termination of investigation is inadmissible" and that their confirmation of only 1,803 people killed "requires explanation because it is common knowledge that more than 14,500 prisoners were killed." In November 2010, the Russian State Duma approved a declaration blaming Stalin and other Soviet officials for having personally ordered the massacre.”
PS.I remember and “the accident” from 2010 near Smolensk, when almost all of Poland's political and military elite, led by President Lech Kacinski, were victims of a suspicious plane crash when they went to commemorate the victims of Katyn.

Dariusz Strondecki

pre 12 godina

--Polish foreign minister Radoslaw Sikorski meanwhile urged Serbia to "show it has overcome its past demons".

"Kosovo, so far I'm aware, is currently recognized by 75 countries, including Poland and most EU members. So there's no reason not to invite Kosovo's representative," he said.--

Ahh Radek, Radek..., so you see my friends, who call the shots in our beloved Poland ! I'm

Fluid

pre 12 godina

"ROMANIA is the 7th (seventh) EU country as size and population, as well as one of the leading NATO members in Europe.. Especially we in Central and Eastern European countries, we understand well the message of the Pope JOHN PAUL "DON'T be afraid"."

Romanian Warrior - was that a threat? You quote the Pope yet you threaten? That says a lot.

Regardless, I am happy that Romania is doing well. It is good that you have enough food to eat, and can even afford the internet.

Let me not forget to mention that there are tons of Romanian working girls in Kosovo as well (where I live) - which is a great thing since they are contributing to the Romanian economy by sending their Euros back home.

Finally, I also adore the Romanian adult stars. They are doing really well in the States and EU.

Keep it up! Enjoy democracy, but remember, democracy has its limits as well - threats are punishable by law.

Rote Kapelle

pre 12 godina

WARRIOR : Eternal Glory to my country ROMANIA and all our ancestors, who defended Central and Eastern EUROPE against barbarian hordes as well as against the Ottoman Empire …

ROMANIAN WARRIOR sounds as strange as JEWISH WAFFEN SS or MONGOLIAN COMPUTER. Which of the hordes you mean ? Sarmatian , Alanian , Hones , Barbarians , Vandals , Mongolians , Russians ? All of them destroyed Dakia and Romania as a part of the big Empire. You lost all the wars you were involved in and you must have all those boods in your vessels.

The only place you had a success was when you murdered 1 million of Soviet civilians in the Ukraine and the North Caucasus. On the battle field we saw only your back sides. I have no Romanophobia but please do not lie. In Romanian history you have nothing to be proud of. At least during the past Millenium.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

Romanian Warrior simpleton dont you know Serbians want parts of Romania for their age old retarded quest of a Grater Serbia http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Greater_Serbia/ .

Mendo

pre 12 godina

Guys forget Romenia no one really cares about Romania and to be honest I thing Europe would love to take Romenia out of EU. What matters is that Kosova was represented as a state without a doubt, if you see pictures on our media Kosovos flag was among other flags, so spear me the no flags no names joke.

Fluid

pre 12 godina

Romanian Warrior,

Since it appears that you are representing a "heavenly nation" and have a special relationship with God, could you please tell me when will the world end? There was an incorrect prediction last week, but I am sure you have better sources.

Oh, also, in addition, if you could, please send us the lottery numbers... we're tired of working for our living, therefore some lottery money would help.

Peace

JohnBoy

pre 12 godina

How humiliating it must be for these heads of state to have to rush to obama's poodle party. At least tadic and the Romanian president have some self-respect. You can forget about us missiles in Romania, obama already announced re-negotiation with Russia.

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

I don't how B92 keeps claiming that Kosovo was not represented as country in this summit. I saw Kosovo flag hanging with flags of other countries on the building where summit was taking place. Kosovo flag was not in the room, however there were no other flags either.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

Lenard

Lenard you are the nr 1 hypocrite at this forum. You say Serbia has an ambision to create a greater Serbia. While you were at it why didn't you mention that other countries in the region have similar ideas? I'll tell you why: Because you are a hypocrite.

Greater Hungary:
"Greater Hungary, an imminent danger"
http://www.presseurop.eu/en/content/article/257021-greater-hungary-imminent-danger
http://euobserver.com/9/31629

Greater Albania:
"We [Albanians from south Serbia] are preparing to realise the idea of a greater Albania to be formed by 2013 or 2015 at the latest," Rexhepi, the vice president of the Presevo assembly, said on Tuesday."
http://mondediplo.com/2006/07/14albania
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/greater-albania-to-be-formed-by-2013-south-serbia-leader-say

Greater Croatia:
"an alleged plan to ethnically cleanse parts of Bosnia in order to later join them to a Greater Croatia."
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/court-hears-details-greater-croatia-plan
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v15/n09/mark-thompson/greater-croatia

Lenard you are so easy to prove wrong! How old are you? 13? It's because of Croats like yourself that there was war in the Balkans. You are the main istigator to the horrors of the Balkans.

Long live Republika Srpska!

Njeri

pre 12 godina

I guess people missed the flag of Kosovo in the yard among all other country flags. In the table no country had its flag.Only names of the presidents. Slovakia did everything not miss the important meeting. I guess Romania wasen't so smart but I guess Russia pointed their claws at Romania not to go. Poor country together with Serbia.

Serbia say hello to the new state wich is respected as an equal state in Europe. Time to accept the reality folks!!

icj1

pre 12 godina

Can we see a map showing us this revelation? There must be something you have that can prove what you are saying.
(Peggy, 28 May 2011 05:20)

What evidence you need ? Something similar to the deeds that Serbs have for the Kosovo land from whoever owned that land before them ?

Luigi

pre 12 godina

I was almost right in my previous predictions...Kosovo will attend as a shadow-state..Slowakia is in with a quick ready change of stance..but Romania...well i must admit that i believed that Traian B. would have said yes to Obama's phone call immediatly BUT INSTEAD HE STOOD firm on his feet and... accept all the missiles that Barack will deploy near Bucharest...

Mike

pre 12 godina

A bad move for Serbia and Romania considering that a compromise was reached to strip Kosovo of any state symbols and voting power, making them little more than an observer. This was a compromise reached to get Slovakia to join and I see no reason why Serbia and Romania couldn't have followed suit since previous arrangements like this were called for by Belgrade and no protests were coming from Pristina this time.

Additionally, Tadic could have been hailed as the man of the hour at the meeting. Obama got Osama and Tadic got Mladic. In my opinion, a big opportunity amid a scaled-down representation for Kosovo was missed. Luckily for him he can claim to now be too busy arranging Mladic's extradition.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Kosovo might be invited as equally, but won't be presented as a state - which matches the reality.
(Top, 27 May 2011 20:04)
And Kosovo will be inside the summit and being heard, Serbia will be outside being ignored. That is the reality. Do you really think all the participants are sitting in the room saying "I really, really wish Serbia was here, then it would be worth it"? The Serbian antics may have changed some of the formats of these gatherings but they have not caused anyone to say Kosovo you cannot come so that Serbia will be here.
Of course Serbs and Romanians can now sit around the campfire singing "kumbaya"

Top

pre 12 godina

"I like that Kosovo was invited as equally among other countries."
(Mendo, 27 May 2011 13:31)

Kosovo might be invited as equally, but won't be presented as a state - which matches the reality.

Rote Kapelle

pre 12 godina

The main though not declared aim of this forum is to build a buffer zone between the Western Europe where have many influential friends and Russia. But in no way something connected with Kosovo and Metohija. As for Tadic after the treason this man cannot afford leaving Serbia.

Rote Kapelle

pre 12 godina

Well WARRIOR I have a day out to educate you. But I won’t teach you good manners cause it must be too late. Yet you should know that there’s another stance at all the items to trouble you :

1/ CONCERNING POLAND. Please do not interfere this sphere ! I know 200 times more about these relations and trust me it’s a long talk. Katyn you mentioned is just one and rather small chain in our tragic history. It was initiated by Dr. Goebbels and later by the US with only one aim to further spoil our relations. But we are on our way to reconciliation and I am not going to let you provoke me. I am ready to discuss things only with ethnical Poles. By the way out of 250 000 of Polish prisoners of war 22 000 were killed in Katyn and as you know it is not the territory of Russia. In 6 camps on our soil there were no killings cause there was no threat of seizing them by Wermacht. Russia armed some 130 000 of Anders’ Corps and let it flee from the battle field during Stalingrad. They went tourism and were back to Europe in 1944. Later we created 1st Army of Voisko Polskoe ( 90 000 ) which fought as good as it was allowed to storm Berlin. Of course in Wermacht we had 500 000 of Poles but it was the tragedy of many European nations.

2/ CONCERNING MOLDOVA. This you have the right to know. So I explain that your stubborn dogmas have several weak places. First is that the brother people you are talking about prefers to be a separate nation instead of being a second rate Romanians. So they are Moldovans and so they sustain from joining you despite the severe pressure you render. Second is that Western Bukovina was a part of Romania only for 21 years because of your beloved communists and their October Revolution. Before that for 200 years they enjoyed Russian citizenship. So in 1941 we just returned what had belonged to us according to all the international treaties. And this is why most of them fought against the Romanian invaders in 1941-44. Third are the repressions all Soviets suffered. The Moldovans were part of ours and thus they also travelled to raise Syberian economy. Thanks to them we supply EU with gas and oil. Forth are the atrocities on both sides. After murdering 1 000 000 of our civilians you are not in a position to blame us of killing 2000 Soviets even if such a tragedy really took place.

3/ CONCERNING YALTA. Romania was imposed not only the current borders and republic constitution but also it had to pay us contributions though with a big discount. After the casualties we suffered from you (10 civillians for every killed Roman !) we had much more moral rights to punish you as you deserved it. But we didn’t. We forgave you and sustained from your eliminating. And don’t tell me stories about setting free the Romanian lands cause the 4-th Romanian Army is buried 2000 km away from those lands. The place is known as Stalingrad though if you decide to find your Grandpa you should search for Volgograd now.

4/ Listen warrior I cannot afford teaching you the whole history of the mankind so don’t talk of everything you have no idea of ! Put me short and direct questions and I’ll save this one lost soul. But please don tell me about NKVD crimes in prewar Europe , Polish prisoners of war murdered outside Katyn and other things which occur to you.

icj1

pre 12 godina

I am right to assume that you have no proof at all.

Serbs have all the proof of having Kosovo. Look around Kosovo and you will see it but we need a bit more than your word about what you say because there is nothing to see so we do need a map of some sort. Maps are easily obtained now so get to it.
(Peggy, 29 May 2011 06:25)

Well, today, the large majority of the population in Kosovo is Albanian. Some say that the Albanians stole it from the Serbs who have been in Kosovo for 1000+ years. Let's assume it is so. The question I'm asking is how did Serbs get Kosovo before the Albanians? Where are the land deeds that prior owners gave to the Serbs 1000 years ago ? Nobody has showed them !

Peggy

pre 12 godina

If you dig deep enough, you will also notice that our languages (Albanian and Romanian) have many similarities - showing that Albanians and Romanians were nighbors, before the Slavic invasions. Not a big deal, but just an interesting fact.
(Numele meu, 27 May 2011 15:38)
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Can we see a map showing us this revelation? There must be something you have that can prove what you are saying.

eric

pre 12 godina

To the albanians who have commented and who will comment here about ROMANIA:
ROMANIA is the 7th (seventh) EU country as size and population, as well as one of the leading NATO members in Europe.. Especially we in Central and Eastern European countries, we understand well the message of the Pope JOHN PAUL "DON'T be afraid". Because at our skin has experienced a communist system killer, who deny CHRIST .For example, Romania has never had a Republican tradition, republic was imposed at Yalta in 1945 and as well as by Soviet tanks; on December 30, 1947 King Michael was forced to abdicate “in exchange” with life of 1000 Romanian students who supported the monarchy in the front of Royal Palace from Bucharest. Royal Romania was a respected and prosperous country and the Romanian state regressed with the Bolshevik Red Plague,terror imposed by stalin and as well as Roosevelt and Churchill's acceptance, in all countries of Central and Eastern Europe. Michael I, the last king of Romania, should be respected because that is the last leader alive during WW2.As well as Romania was Poland , Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia etc.What is little Albania in the history of the Europe, except so-called Illyrian descent?Is mafia, drugs, intolerance… and destruction of Orthodox monasteries in Kosovo.Kosovo is Serbia .
PS.Before WW2 Romania, former Yugoslavia and former Czechoslovakia allied to the "Little Entente" and so will always be.Now it is ROMANIA, SERBIA and SLOVAKIA.
(Romanian Warrior, 27 May 2011 14:46)

.....A gypsy from romania is talking about history, it cracks me up lol whats up with ur capital bukurresht?? hahahaha nvm you don't want to talk about lol

Peggy

pre 12 godina

Yes, Romania has made its stance on the Kosovo issue perfectly clear and I hope this will lead to growing relations between us and Serbia, but take a pill and stop the messianic ramblings. I'm sure there are plenty of Romanian forums for that.
(Dacul, 27 May 2011 19:47)
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Seeing how Romanian warrior has a fascination to Dracula, could he possibly be from Transylvania?
That would explain the hatred for Russia and fascination for Dracula (Vlad the impaler).

Rote

pre 12 godina

SOFT TOY WARRIOR

1/ ABOUT THE LOST SOUL. I only have a couple of tools to help you. One is opening your eyes for what really happened in the past. So that you can try to estimate your current stance. Second is settling love in your broken heart. Today I can see only hatred there based on complex of inferiority. Something tells me last year you had some other NIC on this forum. But your reputation was so bad that you became a long tongue warrior.

2/ ABOUT THE UKRAINE. I am grateful to the Romanians for that process ! Finally our brothers started to understand than MALOROSSIA was quite a safe place while the UKRAINE is a target for the Hungarians , the Romanians and the Turks. As you know all the internationally acknowledged treaties concerning the borders were signed by the USSR and Russia. So now the Ukraine became a free hunt zone. You are welcome ! None of the them could open it’s dirty mouth in case the Ukraine were inside Mother Russia. But losing the island started to open their eyes and now we have another elite there. Thank you ! Romania’s tribute was noticeable !

Rote Kapelle

pre 12 godina

Pablo RO, 27 May

I am sorry if I hurt you cause I really didn’t mean to ! I have no phobias against any people but I had to stop the ROMANIAN WARRIOR’S complex of superiority. If I were him I would not touch items where there’s nothing to write home about. But every s*** is always busy with building a Heaps Pyramid … The entire history of mankind is full of wars and that of Romania’s made no exception. The hordes I mentioned went to and fro this territory meeting little resistance.

And it was not the guilt but the bad luck of the people here. They just had to accept their fate cause nothing really could be done. Maybe I am ignorant to insist that Romanians can be proud only with some episodes of resistance against the Turks but nothing else comes to my mind. Romania today is our brother Orthodox state which in many cases behaves much braver and honest than some of their Orthodox Slavs. So I wish you every success and prosperity. And if a Romanian starts to spread nonsense next time please stop him by yourself. Thank you !

Peggy

pre 12 godina

1. Can we see a map showing us this revelation? There must be something you have that can prove what you are saying.
(Peggy, 28 May 2011 05:20)

What evidence you need ? Something similar to the deeds that Serbs have for the Kosovo land from whoever owned that land before them ?
(icj1, 28 May 2011 22:58)
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I am right to assume that you have no proof at all.

Serbs have all the proof of having Kosovo. Look around Kosovo and you will see it but we need a bit more than your word about what you say because there is nothing to see so we do need a map of some sort. Maps are easily obtained now so get to it.

Je¿ albañski, rumuñski i faszystski

pre 12 godina

Yes, we are very familiar with "pula" - like in the phrase: "pula bozgor calului din gura matii".
As far as Ukraine being "Romanian" - not sooner, than red-white-green all over that non-existing "Transylvania", pardon me, Erdély. I know a pathetic country which never ever won a single war, just cleverly expanded it's territory.

Wait, there are actually TWO such countries. Wait, their people are related. Wait, they spell "hedgehog" nearly the same way: "arici" versus "iriqi". Yes, that's hedgehog's fault.

But you should see your brothers of "Kosova" and compare that "Daco-Romanian" crap with "Albano-Illyrian". Clearly, одного поля ягодицы

Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

But the decision of organizers to invite Kosovo as an independent state prompted presidents of Serbia and Romania, Boris Tadić and Traian Basescu, to snub the meeting.


I am sure Tadic would have gone to Poland, but he allready had scheduled Mladic's arrest, so this was just an excuse.than he asked 2-3 country not to take part.Lucky he got just one.

Rote Kapelle

pre 12 godina

WARRIOR : Eternal Glory to my country ROMANIA and all our ancestors, who defended Central and Eastern EUROPE against barbarian hordes as well as against the Ottoman Empire …

ROMANIAN WARRIOR sounds as strange as JEWISH WAFFEN SS or MONGOLIAN COMPUTER. Which of the hordes you mean ? Sarmatian , Alanian , Hones , Barbarians , Vandals , Mongolians , Russians ? All of them destroyed Dakia and Romania as a part of the big Empire. You lost all the wars you were involved in and you must have all those boods in your vessels.

The only place you had a success was when you murdered 1 million of Soviet civilians in the Ukraine and the North Caucasus. On the battle field we saw only your back sides. I have no Romanophobia but please do not lie. In Romanian history you have nothing to be proud of. At least during the past Millenium.

Rote Kapelle

pre 12 godina

Well WARRIOR I have a day out to educate you. But I won’t teach you good manners cause it must be too late. Yet you should know that there’s another stance at all the items to trouble you :

1/ CONCERNING POLAND. Please do not interfere this sphere ! I know 200 times more about these relations and trust me it’s a long talk. Katyn you mentioned is just one and rather small chain in our tragic history. It was initiated by Dr. Goebbels and later by the US with only one aim to further spoil our relations. But we are on our way to reconciliation and I am not going to let you provoke me. I am ready to discuss things only with ethnical Poles. By the way out of 250 000 of Polish prisoners of war 22 000 were killed in Katyn and as you know it is not the territory of Russia. In 6 camps on our soil there were no killings cause there was no threat of seizing them by Wermacht. Russia armed some 130 000 of Anders’ Corps and let it flee from the battle field during Stalingrad. They went tourism and were back to Europe in 1944. Later we created 1st Army of Voisko Polskoe ( 90 000 ) which fought as good as it was allowed to storm Berlin. Of course in Wermacht we had 500 000 of Poles but it was the tragedy of many European nations.

2/ CONCERNING MOLDOVA. This you have the right to know. So I explain that your stubborn dogmas have several weak places. First is that the brother people you are talking about prefers to be a separate nation instead of being a second rate Romanians. So they are Moldovans and so they sustain from joining you despite the severe pressure you render. Second is that Western Bukovina was a part of Romania only for 21 years because of your beloved communists and their October Revolution. Before that for 200 years they enjoyed Russian citizenship. So in 1941 we just returned what had belonged to us according to all the international treaties. And this is why most of them fought against the Romanian invaders in 1941-44. Third are the repressions all Soviets suffered. The Moldovans were part of ours and thus they also travelled to raise Syberian economy. Thanks to them we supply EU with gas and oil. Forth are the atrocities on both sides. After murdering 1 000 000 of our civilians you are not in a position to blame us of killing 2000 Soviets even if such a tragedy really took place.

3/ CONCERNING YALTA. Romania was imposed not only the current borders and republic constitution but also it had to pay us contributions though with a big discount. After the casualties we suffered from you (10 civillians for every killed Roman !) we had much more moral rights to punish you as you deserved it. But we didn’t. We forgave you and sustained from your eliminating. And don’t tell me stories about setting free the Romanian lands cause the 4-th Romanian Army is buried 2000 km away from those lands. The place is known as Stalingrad though if you decide to find your Grandpa you should search for Volgograd now.

4/ Listen warrior I cannot afford teaching you the whole history of the mankind so don’t talk of everything you have no idea of ! Put me short and direct questions and I’ll save this one lost soul. But please don tell me about NKVD crimes in prewar Europe , Polish prisoners of war murdered outside Katyn and other things which occur to you.

Obilic

pre 12 godina

Hey traitor Tadic, you're not fooling anyone. Why are you pretending to care about Srbija after your treasonous actions yesterday? Don't worry, after the next elections you will hopefully be forgotten, but the real hero Mladic will not! Save Srbija now and resign from office!

Fluid

pre 12 godina

"ROMANIA is the 7th (seventh) EU country as size and population, as well as one of the leading NATO members in Europe.. Especially we in Central and Eastern European countries, we understand well the message of the Pope JOHN PAUL "DON'T be afraid"."

Romanian Warrior - was that a threat? You quote the Pope yet you threaten? That says a lot.

Regardless, I am happy that Romania is doing well. It is good that you have enough food to eat, and can even afford the internet.

Let me not forget to mention that there are tons of Romanian working girls in Kosovo as well (where I live) - which is a great thing since they are contributing to the Romanian economy by sending their Euros back home.

Finally, I also adore the Romanian adult stars. They are doing really well in the States and EU.

Keep it up! Enjoy democracy, but remember, democracy has its limits as well - threats are punishable by law.

Dacul

pre 12 godina

@RomanianWarrior

Dude, I'm from Romania, but I have to wonder why you hijack this Serbian forum with your nutty nationalistic ravings?

Yes, Romania has made its stance on the Kosovo issue perfectly clear and I hope this will lead to growing relations between us and Serbia, but take a pill and stop the messianic ramblings. I'm sure there are plenty of Romanian forums for that.

miri

pre 12 godina

Romanian warrior, you have nothing to do with Kosova and Serbia, it's none of your business. But if you insist, be aware that you're looking to thrust a knife in the heart of your own country.

Did you know that "Trasylvania is the sacred land of Hungary"?

Mike

pre 12 godina

A bad move for Serbia and Romania considering that a compromise was reached to strip Kosovo of any state symbols and voting power, making them little more than an observer. This was a compromise reached to get Slovakia to join and I see no reason why Serbia and Romania couldn't have followed suit since previous arrangements like this were called for by Belgrade and no protests were coming from Pristina this time.

Additionally, Tadic could have been hailed as the man of the hour at the meeting. Obama got Osama and Tadic got Mladic. In my opinion, a big opportunity amid a scaled-down representation for Kosovo was missed. Luckily for him he can claim to now be too busy arranging Mladic's extradition.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

He reversed his initial plan to boycott the summit after Polish organizers agreed not to display "state symbols or the name" of Kosovo as an independent state.
Gašparovič was also granted his wish that no joint declaration should be signed that would include Kosovo's Atifete Jahjaga.
--
Well done Kosova.
Well done Ms Jahjaga.
Tung
(FREEDOM, 27 May 2011 12:46)
--
Considering "Kosova" will be a non-entity and a non-signatory to the declaration at this summit and since you are still happy about that then hey, I'm happy also. We are finally getting somewhere.

I am glad you guys are finally coming around and accepting reality. Hopefully we will achieve peace and reconciliation soon.

Rote Kapelle

pre 12 godina

Pablo RO, 27 May

I am sorry if I hurt you cause I really didn’t mean to ! I have no phobias against any people but I had to stop the ROMANIAN WARRIOR’S complex of superiority. If I were him I would not touch items where there’s nothing to write home about. But every s*** is always busy with building a Heaps Pyramid … The entire history of mankind is full of wars and that of Romania’s made no exception. The hordes I mentioned went to and fro this territory meeting little resistance.

And it was not the guilt but the bad luck of the people here. They just had to accept their fate cause nothing really could be done. Maybe I am ignorant to insist that Romanians can be proud only with some episodes of resistance against the Turks but nothing else comes to my mind. Romania today is our brother Orthodox state which in many cases behaves much braver and honest than some of their Orthodox Slavs. So I wish you every success and prosperity. And if a Romanian starts to spread nonsense next time please stop him by yourself. Thank you !

Rote

pre 12 godina

SOFT TOY WARRIOR

1/ ABOUT THE LOST SOUL. I only have a couple of tools to help you. One is opening your eyes for what really happened in the past. So that you can try to estimate your current stance. Second is settling love in your broken heart. Today I can see only hatred there based on complex of inferiority. Something tells me last year you had some other NIC on this forum. But your reputation was so bad that you became a long tongue warrior.

2/ ABOUT THE UKRAINE. I am grateful to the Romanians for that process ! Finally our brothers started to understand than MALOROSSIA was quite a safe place while the UKRAINE is a target for the Hungarians , the Romanians and the Turks. As you know all the internationally acknowledged treaties concerning the borders were signed by the USSR and Russia. So now the Ukraine became a free hunt zone. You are welcome ! None of the them could open it’s dirty mouth in case the Ukraine were inside Mother Russia. But losing the island started to open their eyes and now we have another elite there. Thank you ! Romania’s tribute was noticeable !

Mendo

pre 12 godina

Guys forget Romenia no one really cares about Romania and to be honest I thing Europe would love to take Romenia out of EU. What matters is that Kosova was represented as a state without a doubt, if you see pictures on our media Kosovos flag was among other flags, so spear me the no flags no names joke.

Jovan

pre 12 godina

well done??? even if Touchy, the criminal in Pristina, turned out to be a serb secret agent or the US let you down, you would make something positive out of that here, right? come on kids, don´t be silly. two REAL states won´t attend and that is clearly shadowing this summit.

this is certainly no success for "kosovaaahhh" =)

it´s a nice try, but it failed.


and interpreting that boycott as somehow connected to the Mladic-arrest, is so out of this world... you are really sitting in a hole down there in Pristina. it is not Serbia being isolated, I´d say...

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

To the albanians who have commented and who will comment here about ROMANIA:
ROMANIA is the 7th (seventh) EU country as size and population, as well as one of the leading NATO members in Europe.. Especially we in Central and Eastern European countries, we understand well the message of the Pope JOHN PAUL "DON'T be afraid". Because at our skin has experienced a communist system killer, who deny CHRIST .For example, Romania has never had a Republican tradition, republic was imposed at Yalta in 1945 and as well as by Soviet tanks; on December 30, 1947 King Michael was forced to abdicate “in exchange” with life of 1000 Romanian students who supported the monarchy in the front of Royal Palace from Bucharest. Royal Romania was a respected and prosperous country and the Romanian state regressed with the Bolshevik Red Plague,terror imposed by stalin and as well as Roosevelt and Churchill's acceptance, in all countries of Central and Eastern Europe. Michael I, the last king of Romania, should be respected because that is the last leader alive during WW2.As well as Romania was Poland , Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia etc.What is little Albania in the history of the Europe, except so-called Illyrian descent?Is mafia, drugs, intolerance… and destruction of Orthodox monasteries in Kosovo.Kosovo is Serbia .
PS.Before WW2 Romania, former Yugoslavia and former Czechoslovakia allied to the "Little Entente" and so will always be.Now it is ROMANIA, SERBIA and SLOVAKIA.

Fluid

pre 12 godina

Well, with 1.43 million Hungarians in Romania, and half a million Hungarians in Slovakia, they are nervous.

These Hungarians live in territories given to those countries by "Treaty of Trianon", after the defeat of Austro-Hungaria in the beginning of the 20th century. Same story with Vojvodina in Serbia.

There is always fear that these regions will want to join the motherland, thus the refusal.

Numele meu

pre 12 godina

Romanian Warrior wrote "... and Kosovo; muslims want to destroy all traces of Christians."

Romanian Warrior - hate to interrupt your crusade...

Smack in the middle of Pristina, Kosovo's capital, you have the newest Catholic Church in the Balkans (still under construction - final touch-ups in progress). Last time I checked, Catholics were Christians too.

There are statues of Mother Theresa (yes, she was Albanian and a Christian). Additionally, don't forget that Albanians belong to three different religions, including Eastern Orthodox and they were opressed by Communists just like you were by Nicolae Ceaușescu.

If you dig deep enough, you will also notice that our languages (Albanian and Romanian) have many similarities - showing that Albanians and Romanians were nighbors, before the Slavic invasions. Not a big deal, but just an interesting fact.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

Eternal Glory to my country ROMANIA and all our ancestors, who defended Central and Eastern EUROPE against barbarian hordes as well as against the Ottoman Empire in the Middle Ages.OUR SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST bless ROMANIA , named by Pope JOHN PAUL the 2nd" SAINT VIRGIN garden", in the first visit of a bishop of Rome in a majority Orthodox country in the last 1000 years!That was in 1999, when worthy of remembering Pope JOHN PAUL the 2nd and Patriarch TEOCTIST of Romanian Orthodox church celebrated in Bucharest together the Divine Liturgy, in the cheers of two million Orthodox believers and Catholics who shouted "UNITY". That it is unforgettable. I'm glad, as a Christian Orthodox, the date of Easter this year was the same for all of Christianity.My hope is the FATHER, my refuge is the SON, my protection is the HOLY SPIRIT, HOLY TRINITY Glory to you.Amen. Our Saviour JESUS CHRIST will protect all Christians, whatever of denomination.
PS .to miri and fluid:Transylvania is a region from ROMANIA, with 80% ROMANIANS and 14% hungarians(read the official statistic)-and that was the same from the Middle Age till now and all the future;as well as, Kosovo is Serbia.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

It is one of the few occasions when I agree with President of my country ROMANIA, Traian Basescu:"As the organisers decided to invite an entity that is not recognised as a state by our country, the president of Romania, Traian Basescu, will not participate in the event," said a presidential spokesman to Romanian press agencies."Honor to the EU countries who have not recognized Kosovo muslim sting:CYPRUS, GREECE, ROMANIA, SLOVAKIA and SPAIN.To the Serbs I would recommend them to treat well Romanians in Serbia- I mean in religious terms. in Romania all have a good treatment for minorities.Do not forget that have never been your enemies, example when Germany called on Marshal Antonescu in 1941 to take a piece of Yugoslavia, he refused.DA, Kosovo was the heart of Serbia from Middle Age till now and Kosovo is Serbia.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

@FLUID"Well, with 1.43 million Hungarians in Romania, and half a million Hungarians in Slovakia, they are nervous. "
what????official, we are 22,3 milion, 89% ROMANIANS white and neolatins, 5% hungarians-YES, The largest ethnic minorities ; 2,5% gypsies;3,5%others,including as well here Serbs and Albanians.I REMIND YOU Romanian Royal Army occupied Hungary and Budapest twice, in 1919 and 1944.Funny fluid!!!!

@miri" 1. Romanian warrior, you have nothing to do with Kosova and Serbia, it's none of your business. But if you insist, be aware that you're looking to thrust a knife in the heart of your own country.

Did you know that "Trasylvania is the sacred land of Hungary"?"
WHAT???In their dreams can!!!So I tell you as well that DACIA kingdom led by Burebista stretched from Albania to Ukraine from today.

iliri

pre 12 godina

Romanian warrior...dacians were assimilated by the Romans (latins)...you are nothing more nothing less than a cocktail of romanized dacians, latins and slavs, even your orthodoxy comes from bulgarians...while Albanians resisted the romanisation, christianisation and muslimanisation, someone might say albanians are muslims catholics and orthodox or what ever, still our blood stayed Albania, our priests and imams still follow the pagan rites, and they keep they mouth shut about politics, they even admit the fact that the rites are pagan, only little we are left but that is enough, we compromised with religions of our invaders and took ruling positions but we never forgot our blood while you became romans and embraced the slavic orthodoxy, your identity is latin orthodoxy, weird mixture,..., actually Roman empire was not an invader in our lands, they did not try to assimilate us or anything, illyrians even became generals in the roman army, even though romans did not approve other than romans to become emperors, illyrians took the ruling positins by force and caused many civil wars among the empire but we faught the barbarians as well, illyrians were the last to fight the slavic and other barbarian hordes which destroyed the empire..when we gave to roman 11 emperors, and ruled the roman empire for one century, dacians couldn't even stop the huns, slavs and other barbarians, ...fought the ottomans? wasn't the hungarians who led the romanians back then? We like it or not, Serbs, Albanians, Romanians, Greeks, Bulgarians failed to stop the ottomans, the ones who stopped were the hungarians, polish lithuanians, austrians, croats etc...back then when Hunyad was fighting, serbs were helping the ottomans, many serbs took refugge in vojvodina, how does serbia return the favour? annex that hungarian land...If Kosovo is serbian land, then, serbia, to show common sense first should return vojvodina to hungary, belgrade and nisch to Bulgaria, then they shall come to us and ask kosovo back...but if Serbia is willing to keep vojvodina, Belgrade and Nisch and ask for Kosovo, no sir, no double standarts please. Also, Romania should return Transilvania back to Hungary. In such case, Montenegro should return to ALbania, considering the 1444 league of lezha, you want medieval borders? These are medieval borders...also,anything that was under despotate of epirus should return to Albania...yet this is unrealistic, the best way to deal with problems, is that ancient people of balkans, Albanians, Greeks and Romanians should unite, roman empire was not that bad afterall, and opose the slavic influence in the balkans, simple as that, like in the ancient times, civilised world against the barbarians...and one last thing, how can a dacian/or a roman be proud of beig christian orthodox, as long as Roman empire was a pagan empire it prospered and invaded the known world, once it got crisitianised, it broke down....see ? If you really are a romanian, you would hate slavs more than i do...weren't the russians that executed 100 000 romanian soldiers even though Romania surrendered to red army and joined the communists? Weren't the slavs that took Besarabia from you? If you love serbs so much you surely have some slavic origins, it is your blood you can not neglet the blood afterall.

Pablo RO

pre 12 godina

All my respects to the Serbian people who fought bravely for their country. I hope you will join EU soon. Kosovo is a part of Serbia.

eric

pre 12 godina

To the albanians who have commented and who will comment here about ROMANIA:
ROMANIA is the 7th (seventh) EU country as size and population, as well as one of the leading NATO members in Europe.. Especially we in Central and Eastern European countries, we understand well the message of the Pope JOHN PAUL "DON'T be afraid". Because at our skin has experienced a communist system killer, who deny CHRIST .For example, Romania has never had a Republican tradition, republic was imposed at Yalta in 1945 and as well as by Soviet tanks; on December 30, 1947 King Michael was forced to abdicate “in exchange” with life of 1000 Romanian students who supported the monarchy in the front of Royal Palace from Bucharest. Royal Romania was a respected and prosperous country and the Romanian state regressed with the Bolshevik Red Plague,terror imposed by stalin and as well as Roosevelt and Churchill's acceptance, in all countries of Central and Eastern Europe. Michael I, the last king of Romania, should be respected because that is the last leader alive during WW2.As well as Romania was Poland , Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia etc.What is little Albania in the history of the Europe, except so-called Illyrian descent?Is mafia, drugs, intolerance… and destruction of Orthodox monasteries in Kosovo.Kosovo is Serbia .
PS.Before WW2 Romania, former Yugoslavia and former Czechoslovakia allied to the "Little Entente" and so will always be.Now it is ROMANIA, SERBIA and SLOVAKIA.
(Romanian Warrior, 27 May 2011 14:46)

.....A gypsy from romania is talking about history, it cracks me up lol whats up with ur capital bukurresht?? hahahaha nvm you don't want to talk about lol

Another Canadian Serb

pre 12 godina

FLUID

I am picking up what you are puting down.

It's kind of like when the USA bombed Belgrade so that they could kick out 200,000 Serbs from Kosovo; ultimately handing over Kosovo to the Albanians.

It's too bad that Mladic wasn't down in Kosovo keeping the peace between Albanians and Serbians!!

Je¿ albañski, rumuñski i faszystski

pre 12 godina

Yes, we are very familiar with "pula" - like in the phrase: "pula bozgor calului din gura matii".
As far as Ukraine being "Romanian" - not sooner, than red-white-green all over that non-existing "Transylvania", pardon me, Erdély. I know a pathetic country which never ever won a single war, just cleverly expanded it's territory.

Wait, there are actually TWO such countries. Wait, their people are related. Wait, they spell "hedgehog" nearly the same way: "arici" versus "iriqi". Yes, that's hedgehog's fault.

But you should see your brothers of "Kosova" and compare that "Daco-Romanian" crap with "Albano-Illyrian". Clearly, одного поля ягодицы

Luigi

pre 12 godina

I was almost right in my previous predictions...Kosovo will attend as a shadow-state..Slowakia is in with a quick ready change of stance..but Romania...well i must admit that i believed that Traian B. would have said yes to Obama's phone call immediatly BUT INSTEAD HE STOOD firm on his feet and... accept all the missiles that Barack will deploy near Bucharest...

JohnBoy

pre 12 godina

How humiliating it must be for these heads of state to have to rush to obama's poodle party. At least tadic and the Romanian president have some self-respect. You can forget about us missiles in Romania, obama already announced re-negotiation with Russia.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

In the EU Lisbon Treaty were not mentioned Europe's Christian roots???!!!, in the name of "positive discrimination" and not to "disturb" packs of immigrants and especially of their "sensitivity" .It is time for us Europeans and especially political leaders of the 27 EU countries aware of the danger of muslim intolerance.And we know well this, because we have in Europe a little muslim majority state named Albania =who is as well as member NATO!!!!! and 2 two former Yugoslav provinces,Bosnia with one-third of the inhabitants muslim and Kosovo; muslims want to destroy all traces of Christians . Radical islam is the fact :intolerance, terror, revenge....especially against Christianity. That saw all in Egypt earlier this year, when 30 Coptic Christians were killed in Alexandria
- Honor to the EU countries who have not recognized Kosovo muslim sting:CYPRUS, GREECE, ROMANIA, SLOVAKIA and SPAIN.
Kosovo is Serbia, Serbian Christian heart, with so many Orthodox monasteries in UNESCO heritage...many of whom escaped because and Romanian gendarmes present there ,unfortunately many were destroyed by the Albanians.

Fluid

pre 12 godina

Romanian Warrior,

Since it appears that you are representing a "heavenly nation" and have a special relationship with God, could you please tell me when will the world end? There was an incorrect prediction last week, but I am sure you have better sources.

Oh, also, in addition, if you could, please send us the lottery numbers... we're tired of working for our living, therefore some lottery money would help.

Peace

Dariusz Strondecki

pre 12 godina

--Polish foreign minister Radoslaw Sikorski meanwhile urged Serbia to "show it has overcome its past demons".

"Kosovo, so far I'm aware, is currently recognized by 75 countries, including Poland and most EU members. So there's no reason not to invite Kosovo's representative," he said.--

Ahh Radek, Radek..., so you see my friends, who call the shots in our beloved Poland ! I'm

Rote Kapelle

pre 12 godina

The main though not declared aim of this forum is to build a buffer zone between the Western Europe where have many influential friends and Russia. But in no way something connected with Kosovo and Metohija. As for Tadic after the treason this man cannot afford leaving Serbia.

Njeri

pre 12 godina

I guess people missed the flag of Kosovo in the yard among all other country flags. In the table no country had its flag.Only names of the presidents. Slovakia did everything not miss the important meeting. I guess Romania wasen't so smart but I guess Russia pointed their claws at Romania not to go. Poor country together with Serbia.

Serbia say hello to the new state wich is respected as an equal state in Europe. Time to accept the reality folks!!

Peggy

pre 12 godina

Yes, Romania has made its stance on the Kosovo issue perfectly clear and I hope this will lead to growing relations between us and Serbia, but take a pill and stop the messianic ramblings. I'm sure there are plenty of Romanian forums for that.
(Dacul, 27 May 2011 19:47)
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Seeing how Romanian warrior has a fascination to Dracula, could he possibly be from Transylvania?
That would explain the hatred for Russia and fascination for Dracula (Vlad the impaler).

Peggy

pre 12 godina

If you dig deep enough, you will also notice that our languages (Albanian and Romanian) have many similarities - showing that Albanians and Romanians were nighbors, before the Slavic invasions. Not a big deal, but just an interesting fact.
(Numele meu, 27 May 2011 15:38)
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Can we see a map showing us this revelation? There must be something you have that can prove what you are saying.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Kosovo might be invited as equally, but won't be presented as a state - which matches the reality.
(Top, 27 May 2011 20:04)
And Kosovo will be inside the summit and being heard, Serbia will be outside being ignored. That is the reality. Do you really think all the participants are sitting in the room saying "I really, really wish Serbia was here, then it would be worth it"? The Serbian antics may have changed some of the formats of these gatherings but they have not caused anyone to say Kosovo you cannot come so that Serbia will be here.
Of course Serbs and Romanians can now sit around the campfire singing "kumbaya"

Lenard

pre 12 godina

Romanian Warrior simpleton dont you know Serbians want parts of Romania for their age old retarded quest of a Grater Serbia http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Greater_Serbia/ .

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

@Fluid
I suppose you've heard even about Vlad the Impaler -VLAD TEPES, Prince of Wallachia (1431–1476)best known for his resistance against the Ottoman Empire and its expansion and for the impaling of enemies muslims, example:impaled Hamza Pasha, the Bey of Nicopolis brought with him 1,000 cavalry( who have inspired "educated" Western the association of his name to that of the vampire Count Dracula in Bram Stoker's 1897 novel Dracula).Just like our PRINCE VLAD I do with you, I will impaled you with my PULA, albanian fluid.No, it isn't the city Pula from Istria, Croatia.It is my GREAT ROMANIAN PULA.In this way did in Middle Age Romanian Princes with the muslim turks, in Walachia, Moldavia and Transylvania.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

@kapelle,I repeat:
Guys like you just do not realize that foolish and no one believes these lies?You have no clue. Read real history first, and then post. You learned history at the sovietic school, illiterate ukrainian with Romanophobia who want to be scientist.We talk here about ROMANIA and SERBIA and as well as Kosovo it is the ancient Christian heart of Serbia, Bessarabia and part of Bukovina stolen by your ancestors are Romanian lands." I’ll save this one lost soul."You don't have a little SHAME?The soul of the CHRISTIANS will be save just by OUR SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST.Go at the island of the snakes in the Black Sea and away your arrogance, based on sand castles. only you believe in that soviet tales, academic world will not put in mind the enormity of sustained without historical documents.Or have you forgotten soon the process won by ROMANIA at Hague against ukraine in 2009,with delimitation of the the Black Sea continental shelf ?Usually, The media loves to cover the atrocities committed by the Germans during the war, but rarely do you hear about the millions who died by the hands of the Soviets!

Peggy

pre 12 godina

1. Can we see a map showing us this revelation? There must be something you have that can prove what you are saying.
(Peggy, 28 May 2011 05:20)

What evidence you need ? Something similar to the deeds that Serbs have for the Kosovo land from whoever owned that land before them ?
(icj1, 28 May 2011 22:58)
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I am right to assume that you have no proof at all.

Serbs have all the proof of having Kosovo. Look around Kosovo and you will see it but we need a bit more than your word about what you say because there is nothing to see so we do need a map of some sort. Maps are easily obtained now so get to it.

Top

pre 12 godina

"I like that Kosovo was invited as equally among other countries."
(Mendo, 27 May 2011 13:31)

Kosovo might be invited as equally, but won't be presented as a state - which matches the reality.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

rote kapelle, take a look to the your comments rating for your "lesson and truth"and after that return at the madhouse from you escaped...and don't forget your good medicaments.I may recommend a Romanian psychiatrist to your Romanophobia.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

Lenard

Lenard you are the nr 1 hypocrite at this forum. You say Serbia has an ambision to create a greater Serbia. While you were at it why didn't you mention that other countries in the region have similar ideas? I'll tell you why: Because you are a hypocrite.

Greater Hungary:
"Greater Hungary, an imminent danger"
http://www.presseurop.eu/en/content/article/257021-greater-hungary-imminent-danger
http://euobserver.com/9/31629

Greater Albania:
"We [Albanians from south Serbia] are preparing to realise the idea of a greater Albania to be formed by 2013 or 2015 at the latest," Rexhepi, the vice president of the Presevo assembly, said on Tuesday."
http://mondediplo.com/2006/07/14albania
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/greater-albania-to-be-formed-by-2013-south-serbia-leader-say

Greater Croatia:
"an alleged plan to ethnically cleanse parts of Bosnia in order to later join them to a Greater Croatia."
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/court-hears-details-greater-croatia-plan
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v15/n09/mark-thompson/greater-croatia

Lenard you are so easy to prove wrong! How old are you? 13? It's because of Croats like yourself that there was war in the Balkans. You are the main istigator to the horrors of the Balkans.

Long live Republika Srpska!

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

@rote kappele, SHUT DOWN!!!
EXAMPLE of soviet MASSACRE in Romania :FANTANA ALBA, 1941
I'm sorry I have not posted since the beginning, especially to Soviet russians and ukrainians who may have had the nerve to open their mouth after the atrocities committed by their forefathers, against the Poles at Katyn and against Romanians at FANTANA ALBA, 1st of April 1941:"Fântâna Albã massacre:The Fântâna Albã massacre took place April 1, 1941, in Northern Bukovina when a large number of people (2,000) were killed by gunfire from Soviet troops while attempting to cross the border from the Soviet Union to Romania, near the village of Fântâna Albã (Romanian: "White Fountain"; Ukrainian: Bila Krynytsia), now in Chernivtsi Oblast, Ukraine.In June 1940, Romania was forced to withdraw from a territory inhabited by 3.76 million people, submitting to an ultimatum by the Soviet Union. The Romanian administration and military were evacuated, and the Red Army and NKVD quickly occupied the land. Many families were caught by surprise by the rapid unfolding of events, and had members on both sides of the new border. Therefore, many tried to cross the border, with or without official permission. According to official Soviet data, during[specify], in the area patrolled by the 97th Unit of Soviet Border Guards, 471 people had crossed the border illegally from the districts of Hlyboka, Hertsa, Putila, and Storozhynets. The zone assigned to this unit extended from the border to about 7.5 km south of Chernivtsi.On April 1, 1941, approximately 2,500–3,000 unarmed people from several villages (Pãtrãuþii-de-Sus, Pãtrãuþii-de-Jos, Cupca, Corceºti, Suceveni), carrying a white flag and religious symbols, walked together towards the new Soviet-Romanian border. There were rumors circulating that the Soviets would now permit crossing to Romania. At the border they were warned by the Soviet troops to stop After the group ignored the warning, the border guards began to shoot. According to lists compiled later[citation needed], casualty figures from just six Bukovina villages amounted to 44 people (17 from Pãtrãuþii-de-Jos, 12 from Trestiana, 5 each from Cupca and Suceveni, 3 from Pãtrãuþii-de-Sus, 2 from Opriºeni). A partial listing of those victims which were later identified.

Aftermath and larger context

During 1940-1941, between 12,000 and 13,000 Bukovinians (mostly, but not only ethnic Romanians) were deported to Siberia and the Gulag. Together with emigration and killings, during the same period, out of 250,000 Romanians in Chernivtsi Oblast, only 192,000 were left.[citation needed] It has been claimed that these persecutions were part of a program of deliberate extermination, planned and executed by the Soviet regime."
Nothing to comment more.
Romania has never had a Republican tradition, republic was imposed at Yalta in 1945 and as well as by Soviet tanks; on December 30, 1947 King Michael was forced to abdicate “in exchange” with life of 1000 Romanian students who supported the monarchy in the front of Royal Palace from Bucharest. Royal Romania was a respected and prosperous country and the Romanian state regressed with the Bolshevik Red Plague,terror imposed by stalin and as well as Roosevelt and Churchill's acceptance, in all countries of Central and Eastern Europe. Michael I, the last king of Romania, should be respected because that is the last leader alive during WW2.

Pablo RO

pre 12 godina

@ Rote Kapelle
Would my country exist still if it had lost all its wars? We speak a latin language yet we are far away from the other latin countries. And about the crimes of war... Yes it's sad they had ever existed. And they were committed by many dictators. And many systems... Including by the communists or the nazis who were not a Romanian invention.
I suppose you are a Russian. There's no problem with that. Pushkin, Tolstoi and many others wrote great things (greater than Russia itself).

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

EXAMPLE of soviet MASSACRE in Poland : KATYN, 1940
“During the years 1939–41, nearly 1.5 million inhabitants of the Soviet-controlled areas of former eastern Poland were deported, of whom 63.1% were Poles or other nationalities and 7.4% were Jews. Only a small number of these deportees survived the war. According to American professor Carroll Quigley, at least one third of the 320,000 Polish prisoners of war captured by the Red Army in 1939 were murdered. The Katyn massacre, also known as the Katyn Forest massacre (Polish: zbrodnia katyñska, mord katyñski, 'Katyñ crime'; Russian: Катынский расстрел), was a mass execution of Polish nationals carried out by the Soviet secret police NKVD in April–May 1940. It was based on Lavrentiy Beria's proposal to execute all members of the Polish Officer Corps, dated 5 March 1940. This official document was approved and signed by the Soviet Politburo, including its leader, Joseph Stalin. The term "Katyn massacre" originally referred specifically to the massacre at Katyn Forest, near the villages of Katyn and Gnezdovo (ca. 19 kilometres (12 mi) west of Smolensk, Russia), of Polish military officers in the Kozelsk prisoner-of-war camp. This was the largest of several simultaneous executions of prisoners of war. Nazi Germany announced the discovery of mass graves in the Katyn Forest in 1943. The revelation led to the end of diplomatic relations between Moscow and the London-based Polish government-in-exile. The Soviet Union continued to deny responsibility for the massacres until 1990, when it officially acknowledged and condemned the perpetration of the killings by the NKVD. An investigation conducted by the Prosecutor General's Office of the Soviet Union (1990–1991) and the Russian Federation (1991–2004), has confirmed Soviet responsibility for the massacres. It was able to confirm the deaths of 1,803 Polish citizens but refused to classify this action as a war crime or an act of genocide. The investigation was closed on grounds that the perpetrators of the massacre were already dead, and since the Russian government would not classify the dead as victims of Stalinist repression, formal posthumous rehabilitation was ruled out. The human rights society Memorial issued a statement which declared "this termination of investigation is inadmissible" and that their confirmation of only 1,803 people killed "requires explanation because it is common knowledge that more than 14,500 prisoners were killed." In November 2010, the Russian State Duma approved a declaration blaming Stalin and other Soviet officials for having personally ordered the massacre.”
PS.I remember and “the accident” from 2010 near Smolensk, when almost all of Poland's political and military elite, led by President Lech Kacinski, were victims of a suspicious plane crash when they went to commemorate the victims of Katyn.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

@rotte kapelle , I'm sorry I have not posted since the beginning, especially to Soviet like you, who may have had the nerve to open their mouth after the atrocities committed by their forefathers, against the Poles at Katyn, 1940 and against Romanians at FANTANA ALBA, 1st of April 1941.Thieves OF EARTHS charged that is not yours.All educated people know that ukraine is an artificial state, leaven by stalin with lands stolen from Romania, Poland and former Czechoslovakia.Guys like you just do not realize that foolish and no one believes these lies?You have no clue. That "chunk of Ukraine" is today's Moldavia-Bessarabia and was always a Romanian territory. Most people who lived there are Romanians and they speak Romanian. Moldavia was taken by force by Russia during WW2. This is why the Romanian Marshall Antonescu declared war to Russia - to recover a Romanian territory. Read real history first, and then post. You learned history at the sovietic school.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Can we see a map showing us this revelation? There must be something you have that can prove what you are saying.
(Peggy, 28 May 2011 05:20)

What evidence you need ? Something similar to the deeds that Serbs have for the Kosovo land from whoever owned that land before them ?

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

@Kapelle
Nazi, Germany etc,etc,etc.BUT WHEN about stalin and soviet crimes????But why USUALLY mass-media hide to the public War crimes perpetrated by the armed forces of Soviet Russia and the Soviet Union from 1919 till 1991, who include acts committed by the regular army—the Red Army (later called the Soviet Army)—as well as the NKVD, including the NKVD's Internal Troops. “Many of these incidents occurred in Northern and Eastern Europe before and during World War II, and involved summary executions and mass murder of prisoners of war (such as Katyn massacre in POLAND , 1940 as well as FANTANA ALBA in ROMANIA, 1st of April 1941) and mistreatment of civilians in Soviet occupied territories. Although there are numerous documented cases of such incidents. In September 1939, the Red Army invaded eastern Poland and occupied it in accordance with the secret protocols of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Later, the Soviets forcefully occupied the Baltic States and parts of Romania, including Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina, as well.
Soviet policy in all of these areas was harsh towards the people under its control, showing strong elements of ethnic cleansing. NKVD task forces followed the Red Army to remove "Soviet-hostile elements" from the conquered territories.”

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

I don't how B92 keeps claiming that Kosovo was not represented as country in this summit. I saw Kosovo flag hanging with flags of other countries on the building where summit was taking place. Kosovo flag was not in the room, however there were no other flags either.

icj1

pre 12 godina

I am right to assume that you have no proof at all.

Serbs have all the proof of having Kosovo. Look around Kosovo and you will see it but we need a bit more than your word about what you say because there is nothing to see so we do need a map of some sort. Maps are easily obtained now so get to it.
(Peggy, 29 May 2011 06:25)

Well, today, the large majority of the population in Kosovo is Albanian. Some say that the Albanians stole it from the Serbs who have been in Kosovo for 1000+ years. Let's assume it is so. The question I'm asking is how did Serbs get Kosovo before the Albanians? Where are the land deeds that prior owners gave to the Serbs 1000 years ago ? Nobody has showed them !