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Friday, 27.05.2011.

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Mladić rejects Hague indictment against him

Hague war crimes indictee Ratko Mladić was today interviewed by a judge at Belgrade's Special Court.

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Peggy

pre 12 godina

Quite different in Serbia, many ex-soldiers or paramilitaries are living on the same streets as their victims. You should know that! Aren't you?
(Boris J, 29 May 2011 00:19)
===========================

So either Serbs went against Serbs or Albanians are living next door to Serbs in Serbia. Funny, I thought that Albanians, Croatians and Bosnian Muslims were scared of Serbs and would not dream of living in a hostile country like Serbia. What are they doing there?

You do know you sound very ridiculous don't you?
Please do prove me wrong. I would love to see your sources.

Boris J

pre 12 godina

Leo, I dont know where you live, but you're completely incorrect about your statements concerning american soldiers who face US Courts over war crimes. Check it out and you'll see that no high ranking officers, generals for example, have been put under arrest for crimes.Many of those who have disnohored the US Army in Iraq or Afghanistan have been prosecuted. Quite different in Serbia, many ex-soldiers or paramilitaries are living on the same streets as their victims. You should know that! Aren't you?

icj1

pre 12 godina

The United States does not turn its leaders and generals over to international tribunals. It occasionally prosecutes a lowly soldier but usually hands out relatively light sentences or acquittals.
(Leo, 28 May 2011 01:53)

Light ? Like this one below who got a life sentence (and risked death penalty). Mladic, at least, can be sure his sentence will not go beyond life in prison, even though what he (allegedly) did is much worse. At this age, life in prison would mean just a few years.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/05/21/us-iraq-usa-assault-idUSTRE54K6TT20090521



The United States has violated every ...every conceivable human rights norm in its endless wars across the globe. The consequences of America's wars are millions of casualties generally in the pursuit of national interests. Although some actions are in self defense, most invasions are clearly not.
(Leo, 28 May 2011 01:53)

Dude, you are a little bit confused. Starting a war, even without reason, is not a violation of the international criminal law or human rights law. And in wars, unfortunately, thousands or millions die. Only if the combatants violate the international humanitarian law during the war, that is punishable for those individuals who do it. For example the destruction of cities during a war is not a war crime. The wanton destruction is. Cynical or not, that’s how it is. International humanitarian law regulates how the war should be conducted, but it recognizes that war means, by definition, destruction and death.



Serbia is as capable and maybe more so of giving Mladic a fair trial on the allegations, especially in the light of the Hague's bias.
(Leo, 28 May 2011 01:53)

Please...! You are comparing a Serb judge with the distinguished jurists who serve as judges at the ICTY…! If 10 are convicted from one side, vs 2 from the other side, that is not bias for the justice. Each case is judged on its own merits, and not with the purpose of achieving arithmetical equality. It would be the greatest injustice to an accused standing trial to be convicted just for equality in statistics.

Boris J

pre 12 godina

Each time I hear someone not recognizing The Hague, it makes me laugh. I wonder if war criminals as Goering, Hess, and others who were judged at Nuremberg recognized the tribunal? Possibly not. Not easy to face a Court to explain why civilians and children were deliberately killed??

Zoran

pre 12 godina

Nonsense, it is becaue of him that Serbia has a blackmark against her. Mladic was a mass murdering psychopath who used his own personal spitefullness to take revenge on a defenceless Bosnian population.
(Janez-Beograd, 28 May 2011 00:36)
--
Janez, who exactly put a black mark against Serbia? If you read non-western press you will see that Serbia in fact has a green tick against her name because we were resisting the empire.

This is an empire where crimes such as those Mladic is accused of have been committed and covered up so the reason we have a black mark in their eyes is solely for the reason of resisting their control. Once they have control over us and we start fighting their wars we can commit whatever crimes are necessary to achieve their objective.

You claim Mladic took revenge against some Bosnian Muslim prisoners so how does that differ from the US taking revenge on Afghani prisoners? The Dasht-i-Leili massacre is described below. Let me quote from http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/sep/14/afghanistan.lukeharding :

The Guardian has obtained harrowing details which suggest that their death was not a tragic accident but a deliberate act of revenge.

"The Physicians for Human Rights group from Boston, which identified the mass grave earlier this year and later sent out a forensic scientist to carry out further tests, suggests that 2,000-3,000 of the 8,000 prisoners taken to Shiberghan died on the way."

"There were 300 of us in my container. By the time we arrived in Shiberghan, only 10 of us were still alive."

Soldiers crammed them into shipping containers. When they protested that they could not breathe, the soldiers told them to duck down, then fired several Kalashnikov rounds into the containers.

"I saw blood coming out of the holes," an eyewitness who refuses to be identified said.
==
Tell me Janez, these people you claim have given Serbia a black mark were involved in their own Srebrenica only a few years later (2001) and you think they have the moral high ground to create a court and lecture Serbians while making sure they are excluded from prosecution? Come on, have some self-respect and defend universal justice or truth and reconciliation but not some fake preachers.

mia

pre 12 godina

Revenger
i think tadic is the serbian people greatest weakest leader if it was not Miladic the serbia you know what not exist neither would serbs in bosnia exist the persecution of serbia is still evident were was the world media when gotovina was found guilty of ethnic cleansing or when naser oric was beheading serbs in bosnia he was set free one man stood and said you can not slaughter us and that man was not Tadic he is an american fool

Leo

pre 12 godina

The United States does not turn its leaders and generals over to international tribunals. It occasionally prosecutes a lowly soldier but usually hands out relatively light sentences or acquittals. The United States has violated every ...every conceivable human rights norm in its endless wars across the globe. The consequences of America's wars are millions of casualties generally in the pursuit of national interests. Although some actions are in self defense, most invasions are clearly not. Serbia is as capable and maybe more so of giving Mladic a fair trial on the allegations, especially in the light of the Hague's bias. If he spent but a day in jail, it would be one more day than monsters like Donald Rumsfeld or George Bush or now Barack Obama or their willing lackeys in NATO. Please spare me the hypocrisy and propaganda about "European" or "Western" values.

Janez-Beograd

pre 12 godina

Very little is said about the fact that because of this guy, Republika Srpska exists today. With his bad acts, he has also some good accomplishments. Tough thing to judge in this context, but they are the facts.
(Dragan, 27 May 2011 15:37)

Nonsense, it is becaue of him that Serbia has a blackmark against her. Mladic was a mass murdering psychopath who used his own personal spitefullness to take revenge on a defenceless Bosnian population. Stop worshipping people like him. You are as bad as the Albanians here who geneflect to Hash and Haradinaj, another bunch of psychopaths.

Different sides of the same coin.

trudsaam

pre 12 godina

All Serbian people should appreciate to Mr.Tadic for his barevery action.Its judgement day for a coward with bloody hands.
(Revenger)
-
you got it the other way around. Funny how such an ignorant perspective can be so abundant globally.

Yet Again

pre 12 godina

"...Others view him as a psychopath who took an over an army with a major advantage in just about every military sense..."


Outnumbered 2:1 ArBiH v. RSA for starters.

montenegrin

pre 12 godina

Mladic the criminal who killed thousands of innocents, hiding like a chicken now will finally face justice.
He should not be given any medical treatment but should be punished the same way he massacred thousands of people so in this way he can feel what he did to others.

Nenad

pre 12 godina

That's one way of viewing him, Dragan.

Others view him as a psychopath who took an over an army with a major advantage in just about every military sense.

He clearly had no trouble leading Serbs to territorial gains in the beginning but what about the end? Some say that Milosevic was begging Washington for mercy by September 1995 and that it was only out of convenience that the West gave the order to Muslims and Croats to halt their joint offensive.

Now you can call that a lie but is it?

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Very little is said about the fact that because of this guy, Republika Srpska exists today. With his bad acts, he has also some good accomplishments. Tough thing to judge in this context, but they are the facts.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Very little is said about the fact that because of this guy, Republika Srpska exists today. With his bad acts, he has also some good accomplishments. Tough thing to judge in this context, but they are the facts.

Nenad

pre 12 godina

That's one way of viewing him, Dragan.

Others view him as a psychopath who took an over an army with a major advantage in just about every military sense.

He clearly had no trouble leading Serbs to territorial gains in the beginning but what about the end? Some say that Milosevic was begging Washington for mercy by September 1995 and that it was only out of convenience that the West gave the order to Muslims and Croats to halt their joint offensive.

Now you can call that a lie but is it?

Boris J

pre 12 godina

Each time I hear someone not recognizing The Hague, it makes me laugh. I wonder if war criminals as Goering, Hess, and others who were judged at Nuremberg recognized the tribunal? Possibly not. Not easy to face a Court to explain why civilians and children were deliberately killed??

trudsaam

pre 12 godina

All Serbian people should appreciate to Mr.Tadic for his barevery action.Its judgement day for a coward with bloody hands.
(Revenger)
-
you got it the other way around. Funny how such an ignorant perspective can be so abundant globally.

Janez-Beograd

pre 12 godina

Very little is said about the fact that because of this guy, Republika Srpska exists today. With his bad acts, he has also some good accomplishments. Tough thing to judge in this context, but they are the facts.
(Dragan, 27 May 2011 15:37)

Nonsense, it is becaue of him that Serbia has a blackmark against her. Mladic was a mass murdering psychopath who used his own personal spitefullness to take revenge on a defenceless Bosnian population. Stop worshipping people like him. You are as bad as the Albanians here who geneflect to Hash and Haradinaj, another bunch of psychopaths.

Different sides of the same coin.

montenegrin

pre 12 godina

Mladic the criminal who killed thousands of innocents, hiding like a chicken now will finally face justice.
He should not be given any medical treatment but should be punished the same way he massacred thousands of people so in this way he can feel what he did to others.

Yet Again

pre 12 godina

"...Others view him as a psychopath who took an over an army with a major advantage in just about every military sense..."


Outnumbered 2:1 ArBiH v. RSA for starters.

Leo

pre 12 godina

The United States does not turn its leaders and generals over to international tribunals. It occasionally prosecutes a lowly soldier but usually hands out relatively light sentences or acquittals. The United States has violated every ...every conceivable human rights norm in its endless wars across the globe. The consequences of America's wars are millions of casualties generally in the pursuit of national interests. Although some actions are in self defense, most invasions are clearly not. Serbia is as capable and maybe more so of giving Mladic a fair trial on the allegations, especially in the light of the Hague's bias. If he spent but a day in jail, it would be one more day than monsters like Donald Rumsfeld or George Bush or now Barack Obama or their willing lackeys in NATO. Please spare me the hypocrisy and propaganda about "European" or "Western" values.

mia

pre 12 godina

Revenger
i think tadic is the serbian people greatest weakest leader if it was not Miladic the serbia you know what not exist neither would serbs in bosnia exist the persecution of serbia is still evident were was the world media when gotovina was found guilty of ethnic cleansing or when naser oric was beheading serbs in bosnia he was set free one man stood and said you can not slaughter us and that man was not Tadic he is an american fool

Zoran

pre 12 godina

Nonsense, it is becaue of him that Serbia has a blackmark against her. Mladic was a mass murdering psychopath who used his own personal spitefullness to take revenge on a defenceless Bosnian population.
(Janez-Beograd, 28 May 2011 00:36)
--
Janez, who exactly put a black mark against Serbia? If you read non-western press you will see that Serbia in fact has a green tick against her name because we were resisting the empire.

This is an empire where crimes such as those Mladic is accused of have been committed and covered up so the reason we have a black mark in their eyes is solely for the reason of resisting their control. Once they have control over us and we start fighting their wars we can commit whatever crimes are necessary to achieve their objective.

You claim Mladic took revenge against some Bosnian Muslim prisoners so how does that differ from the US taking revenge on Afghani prisoners? The Dasht-i-Leili massacre is described below. Let me quote from http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/sep/14/afghanistan.lukeharding :

The Guardian has obtained harrowing details which suggest that their death was not a tragic accident but a deliberate act of revenge.

"The Physicians for Human Rights group from Boston, which identified the mass grave earlier this year and later sent out a forensic scientist to carry out further tests, suggests that 2,000-3,000 of the 8,000 prisoners taken to Shiberghan died on the way."

"There were 300 of us in my container. By the time we arrived in Shiberghan, only 10 of us were still alive."

Soldiers crammed them into shipping containers. When they protested that they could not breathe, the soldiers told them to duck down, then fired several Kalashnikov rounds into the containers.

"I saw blood coming out of the holes," an eyewitness who refuses to be identified said.
==
Tell me Janez, these people you claim have given Serbia a black mark were involved in their own Srebrenica only a few years later (2001) and you think they have the moral high ground to create a court and lecture Serbians while making sure they are excluded from prosecution? Come on, have some self-respect and defend universal justice or truth and reconciliation but not some fake preachers.

icj1

pre 12 godina

The United States does not turn its leaders and generals over to international tribunals. It occasionally prosecutes a lowly soldier but usually hands out relatively light sentences or acquittals.
(Leo, 28 May 2011 01:53)

Light ? Like this one below who got a life sentence (and risked death penalty). Mladic, at least, can be sure his sentence will not go beyond life in prison, even though what he (allegedly) did is much worse. At this age, life in prison would mean just a few years.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/05/21/us-iraq-usa-assault-idUSTRE54K6TT20090521



The United States has violated every ...every conceivable human rights norm in its endless wars across the globe. The consequences of America's wars are millions of casualties generally in the pursuit of national interests. Although some actions are in self defense, most invasions are clearly not.
(Leo, 28 May 2011 01:53)

Dude, you are a little bit confused. Starting a war, even without reason, is not a violation of the international criminal law or human rights law. And in wars, unfortunately, thousands or millions die. Only if the combatants violate the international humanitarian law during the war, that is punishable for those individuals who do it. For example the destruction of cities during a war is not a war crime. The wanton destruction is. Cynical or not, that’s how it is. International humanitarian law regulates how the war should be conducted, but it recognizes that war means, by definition, destruction and death.



Serbia is as capable and maybe more so of giving Mladic a fair trial on the allegations, especially in the light of the Hague's bias.
(Leo, 28 May 2011 01:53)

Please...! You are comparing a Serb judge with the distinguished jurists who serve as judges at the ICTY…! If 10 are convicted from one side, vs 2 from the other side, that is not bias for the justice. Each case is judged on its own merits, and not with the purpose of achieving arithmetical equality. It would be the greatest injustice to an accused standing trial to be convicted just for equality in statistics.

Boris J

pre 12 godina

Leo, I dont know where you live, but you're completely incorrect about your statements concerning american soldiers who face US Courts over war crimes. Check it out and you'll see that no high ranking officers, generals for example, have been put under arrest for crimes.Many of those who have disnohored the US Army in Iraq or Afghanistan have been prosecuted. Quite different in Serbia, many ex-soldiers or paramilitaries are living on the same streets as their victims. You should know that! Aren't you?

Peggy

pre 12 godina

Quite different in Serbia, many ex-soldiers or paramilitaries are living on the same streets as their victims. You should know that! Aren't you?
(Boris J, 29 May 2011 00:19)
===========================

So either Serbs went against Serbs or Albanians are living next door to Serbs in Serbia. Funny, I thought that Albanians, Croatians and Bosnian Muslims were scared of Serbs and would not dream of living in a hostile country like Serbia. What are they doing there?

You do know you sound very ridiculous don't you?
Please do prove me wrong. I would love to see your sources.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Very little is said about the fact that because of this guy, Republika Srpska exists today. With his bad acts, he has also some good accomplishments. Tough thing to judge in this context, but they are the facts.

Nenad

pre 12 godina

That's one way of viewing him, Dragan.

Others view him as a psychopath who took an over an army with a major advantage in just about every military sense.

He clearly had no trouble leading Serbs to territorial gains in the beginning but what about the end? Some say that Milosevic was begging Washington for mercy by September 1995 and that it was only out of convenience that the West gave the order to Muslims and Croats to halt their joint offensive.

Now you can call that a lie but is it?

montenegrin

pre 12 godina

Mladic the criminal who killed thousands of innocents, hiding like a chicken now will finally face justice.
He should not be given any medical treatment but should be punished the same way he massacred thousands of people so in this way he can feel what he did to others.

mia

pre 12 godina

Revenger
i think tadic is the serbian people greatest weakest leader if it was not Miladic the serbia you know what not exist neither would serbs in bosnia exist the persecution of serbia is still evident were was the world media when gotovina was found guilty of ethnic cleansing or when naser oric was beheading serbs in bosnia he was set free one man stood and said you can not slaughter us and that man was not Tadic he is an american fool

Janez-Beograd

pre 12 godina

Very little is said about the fact that because of this guy, Republika Srpska exists today. With his bad acts, he has also some good accomplishments. Tough thing to judge in this context, but they are the facts.
(Dragan, 27 May 2011 15:37)

Nonsense, it is becaue of him that Serbia has a blackmark against her. Mladic was a mass murdering psychopath who used his own personal spitefullness to take revenge on a defenceless Bosnian population. Stop worshipping people like him. You are as bad as the Albanians here who geneflect to Hash and Haradinaj, another bunch of psychopaths.

Different sides of the same coin.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

Nonsense, it is becaue of him that Serbia has a blackmark against her. Mladic was a mass murdering psychopath who used his own personal spitefullness to take revenge on a defenceless Bosnian population.
(Janez-Beograd, 28 May 2011 00:36)
--
Janez, who exactly put a black mark against Serbia? If you read non-western press you will see that Serbia in fact has a green tick against her name because we were resisting the empire.

This is an empire where crimes such as those Mladic is accused of have been committed and covered up so the reason we have a black mark in their eyes is solely for the reason of resisting their control. Once they have control over us and we start fighting their wars we can commit whatever crimes are necessary to achieve their objective.

You claim Mladic took revenge against some Bosnian Muslim prisoners so how does that differ from the US taking revenge on Afghani prisoners? The Dasht-i-Leili massacre is described below. Let me quote from http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/sep/14/afghanistan.lukeharding :

The Guardian has obtained harrowing details which suggest that their death was not a tragic accident but a deliberate act of revenge.

"The Physicians for Human Rights group from Boston, which identified the mass grave earlier this year and later sent out a forensic scientist to carry out further tests, suggests that 2,000-3,000 of the 8,000 prisoners taken to Shiberghan died on the way."

"There were 300 of us in my container. By the time we arrived in Shiberghan, only 10 of us were still alive."

Soldiers crammed them into shipping containers. When they protested that they could not breathe, the soldiers told them to duck down, then fired several Kalashnikov rounds into the containers.

"I saw blood coming out of the holes," an eyewitness who refuses to be identified said.
==
Tell me Janez, these people you claim have given Serbia a black mark were involved in their own Srebrenica only a few years later (2001) and you think they have the moral high ground to create a court and lecture Serbians while making sure they are excluded from prosecution? Come on, have some self-respect and defend universal justice or truth and reconciliation but not some fake preachers.

Leo

pre 12 godina

The United States does not turn its leaders and generals over to international tribunals. It occasionally prosecutes a lowly soldier but usually hands out relatively light sentences or acquittals. The United States has violated every ...every conceivable human rights norm in its endless wars across the globe. The consequences of America's wars are millions of casualties generally in the pursuit of national interests. Although some actions are in self defense, most invasions are clearly not. Serbia is as capable and maybe more so of giving Mladic a fair trial on the allegations, especially in the light of the Hague's bias. If he spent but a day in jail, it would be one more day than monsters like Donald Rumsfeld or George Bush or now Barack Obama or their willing lackeys in NATO. Please spare me the hypocrisy and propaganda about "European" or "Western" values.

Yet Again

pre 12 godina

"...Others view him as a psychopath who took an over an army with a major advantage in just about every military sense..."


Outnumbered 2:1 ArBiH v. RSA for starters.

trudsaam

pre 12 godina

All Serbian people should appreciate to Mr.Tadic for his barevery action.Its judgement day for a coward with bloody hands.
(Revenger)
-
you got it the other way around. Funny how such an ignorant perspective can be so abundant globally.

Boris J

pre 12 godina

Leo, I dont know where you live, but you're completely incorrect about your statements concerning american soldiers who face US Courts over war crimes. Check it out and you'll see that no high ranking officers, generals for example, have been put under arrest for crimes.Many of those who have disnohored the US Army in Iraq or Afghanistan have been prosecuted. Quite different in Serbia, many ex-soldiers or paramilitaries are living on the same streets as their victims. You should know that! Aren't you?

Boris J

pre 12 godina

Each time I hear someone not recognizing The Hague, it makes me laugh. I wonder if war criminals as Goering, Hess, and others who were judged at Nuremberg recognized the tribunal? Possibly not. Not easy to face a Court to explain why civilians and children were deliberately killed??

icj1

pre 12 godina

The United States does not turn its leaders and generals over to international tribunals. It occasionally prosecutes a lowly soldier but usually hands out relatively light sentences or acquittals.
(Leo, 28 May 2011 01:53)

Light ? Like this one below who got a life sentence (and risked death penalty). Mladic, at least, can be sure his sentence will not go beyond life in prison, even though what he (allegedly) did is much worse. At this age, life in prison would mean just a few years.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/05/21/us-iraq-usa-assault-idUSTRE54K6TT20090521



The United States has violated every ...every conceivable human rights norm in its endless wars across the globe. The consequences of America's wars are millions of casualties generally in the pursuit of national interests. Although some actions are in self defense, most invasions are clearly not.
(Leo, 28 May 2011 01:53)

Dude, you are a little bit confused. Starting a war, even without reason, is not a violation of the international criminal law or human rights law. And in wars, unfortunately, thousands or millions die. Only if the combatants violate the international humanitarian law during the war, that is punishable for those individuals who do it. For example the destruction of cities during a war is not a war crime. The wanton destruction is. Cynical or not, that’s how it is. International humanitarian law regulates how the war should be conducted, but it recognizes that war means, by definition, destruction and death.



Serbia is as capable and maybe more so of giving Mladic a fair trial on the allegations, especially in the light of the Hague's bias.
(Leo, 28 May 2011 01:53)

Please...! You are comparing a Serb judge with the distinguished jurists who serve as judges at the ICTY…! If 10 are convicted from one side, vs 2 from the other side, that is not bias for the justice. Each case is judged on its own merits, and not with the purpose of achieving arithmetical equality. It would be the greatest injustice to an accused standing trial to be convicted just for equality in statistics.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

Quite different in Serbia, many ex-soldiers or paramilitaries are living on the same streets as their victims. You should know that! Aren't you?
(Boris J, 29 May 2011 00:19)
===========================

So either Serbs went against Serbs or Albanians are living next door to Serbs in Serbia. Funny, I thought that Albanians, Croatians and Bosnian Muslims were scared of Serbs and would not dream of living in a hostile country like Serbia. What are they doing there?

You do know you sound very ridiculous don't you?
Please do prove me wrong. I would love to see your sources.