'The Truth Chicago' needs to get their computer taken away from them. its different to post one, two, maybe three comments. but you repeatedly post nonsense, serb bashing, albanian crap. get a life!
That's what was being reported at the time and the State Dept. didn't refute it. They asked that both Mladic and Karadzic disappear out of the public light, which they did, and it was reported they would receive immunity.
There are many reports about this on the internet so search if you please. Check this [link]/
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Mladic and Karadzic continue freely moving throughout BiH. Karadzic is candidate,(1996),for office,(also in violation of Dayton Accords as he is indicted by ICTY). Pursuant to “negotiations” led by Holbrooke,evidence strongly suggests that Karadzic is afforded effective immunity from arrest as long as Karadzic withdraws as candidate,(already a budding embarrassment to US and European states). Mladic is also probably afforded such immunity,as both agree to maintain a lower profile.
(Zoran, 26 May 2011 21:16)
Dude, it does not take a PhD in Law to understand that in order to have immunity from ICTY, that immunity has to be issued by ICTY or by it's parent body, the Security Council.
Did ICTY issue an immunity for Karadzic or Mladic ? No
Did the Security Council issue an immunity for Karadzic or Mladic ? No
Then, not sure what we are discussing about. Let assume it is true: US did give immunity to Karadzic or Mladic. The latter must have been very ignorant to not ask Holbrook whether ICTY or the Security Council authorized him to give them immunity :)
Why do some Serbs still consider this guy a hero, I never know.
(Janez-Beograd, 27 May 2011 12:11)
I think its because of the hundreds of thousands he saved in Operation Korridor; the majority of Mladic supporters consider him no different to winston churchill, also a mass murderer (dresden bombings), but he's saved so many; so I see where they're coming from (that combined with the political nature of the hague) .
So, are not the many enlisted men in rank and order all responsible, up to the general, then? Mladic didnt single handedly execute thousands of people, drive all the trucks loaded with the bodies, dig the numerous mass graves, and dump them in and cover the bodies with dirt. Serbian society as a whole has lots of blood on their hands. There are people all over Serbia that participated in some way in these horrific killings.
Please Serbs from Serbia,WAKE UP for heavens sake,quit with your anationalist Yugoloving mentality,quit of pacifism and start behaving like honourous people,not like scoundrels looking to sell each and everything from the household!
This kind of behaviour WILL NOT BRING YOU ANY PROSPERITY!
Zivio General Ratko Mladic
(CG, 26 May 2011 18:38)
Why do some Serbs still consider this guy a hero, I never know. He was an evil man, one of the many evil warlords who inflicted death, misery and destruction on the Yugoslav people (I include Thaci, Izetbegovic, Tudjman, Karadzic and Slobo) . He held Serbia back and will now face a judge to answer for his crimes. However I would not send him to the Hague. I would try him in a neutral country and invite all those who suffered because of him to come to the court and give their testimony.
One thing for sure, when the dust settles, Hash and Oric are next.
The extreme nationalists here (Serb, Albanian, Croat) are all as bad as each other. What we need now is peace and reconciliation. With Mladic caught, I hope we can all finally acknowledge our past sins and move on. Enough is enough.
How many supporters Mladic (had) has, one can see this from the posters in this forum.
Therefore, I consider my self right when I say: THERE IS A LOT TO BE DONE, before the peace would come.
Serbia, it's obvious, could not effort good medical care for his "hero" and therefore they agreed to send him to Hague, at least he will have (unfortunately) excellent medical care.
And the time was right, in 2 weeks tribunal will read his report (negative report on Serbia cooperation with the tribunal), so arrest of Mladic can have positive affect in this report.
There are continues attempts for Serbia to join EU and this might assist Serbia on this path.
What is wrong in here:
Serbia was claiming, Mladic is not in Serbia, he is well protected by his own military personnel, riots will happen etc etc.
As we see, ALL OF THIS WAS NOTHING BUT LIE...
And, what is surprising me mostly, we see now notes "Mladic is hero"...
My god!!!...
But knowing the past and considering above, I should NOT be surprised.
For some, he will be considered so, for the others NO. For me NOOOOO...
If he will be considered hero, one should explain to me, what should the history book say about him and how should this be perceived by the family of victims?!!!
And also, how to live together if some will consider this sick killer as a hero?!!!
He can avoid the justice, he can hide but ONE HE CAN NOT:
The justice of GOD he will have to meet.
And if you take good look of him, you will see, this justice has already started.
For this, I am praying every day and night and I will continue doing that until I die...
Finally, Today a man who killed over 800,000 In the Rwandan Genocide was also arrested, but he has been mostly Ignored. He killed 100x more then Mladic is alledged to have killed, outside the Balkans at least should'nt he be the headline maker?
(New Zealander, 27 May 2011 09:22)
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Well, you know that US ally General Rashid Dostum is still free and part of the US sponsored Afghan government? He was, along with US and UK military personnel, responsible for the US Srebrenica where thousands of Afghani prisoners were murdered in the Dasht-i-Leili desert. It is interesting to note that the Western media coverage has generally remained mute but there is a trickle of articles out there. Here is another one -> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/sep/14/afghanistan.lukeharding
No one here holds the moral high ground as all parties have committed crimes when engaged in conflict, be it the US, UK, Albanians, Israelis, Serbians, Bosnian Muslims, Croatians and so on. Everyone is guilty but all justify their position.
For those watching/reading non-Western media, such as RT (Russia Today), you can see Serbia being painted in a positive light and that the West is rightfully blamed for starting the wars in the Balkans. Serbians are well supported in the non-Western world and although the west attempts to paint Serbians in a bad light, the rest of the world knows who the real evil doers are.
Mladic is a sickly man both physically and mentally and I doubt he will live much longer. I expect he will get better treatment for his condition in the Hague if he ever gets there.
What exactly was Mladic "protecting"? BiH seemed pretty peaceful before the Bosnian Serb army started firing their weapons.
Albanians do seem to have something Serbs want otherwise there wouldn't be this whole "Kosovo IS Serbia" rhetoric.
(RSA, 26 May 2011 20:06)
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Peaceful? Who fired the first shot?
You don't seem to know very much.
"Now Serbia just have to capture Goran Hadzic and recognize the independence of Kosovo to get candidae status for EU. Let's see how fast this will happend. I hope not 16 years like with Mladic case."
Did you just return from the other end of the galaxy or what? When was recognizing Kosovo's UDI a condition for EU entry? And I didn't know that the EU (Holland to be more precise) ever stated this Hadzic to be a condition. By the way, I still don't think its wise for Serbia to enter the EU and become another lackey of London, Paris and Berlin.
"But good to see that Serbia is listening to their master EU and US and send their ''hero'' to jail!!
(Demi, 26 May 2011 14:07) "
Gosh, you mean Belgrade actually share the same master as "Kosova"???? My, wonders never cease! Actually you sounded like that classic pot calling the kettle black here!
He was really in Serbia after all ..... I had previously hypothesized that he might be somewhere else or even dead. This guy doesn't seem very smart, or maybe its overconfidence -- would have expected him to be in some disguise. But no, he's quite easily identifiable from that photo of him today.
What will happen if he is found to be medically unfit to stand trial?
I just hope there is a God who can judge him and give him the sentence he deserves when he dies in a few years or even months.
(Demi, 26 May 2011 23:14)
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Demi, the same God is going to judge all of us, including you and your beloved Thaci and his merry men.
As for the part how Serbs are bad people, most of the world would disagree with you on that one.
The world is not stupid and your lot leads the way in bad.
So another serb "hero" hiding under a different name is caught and put in front of justice.
I wonder why him and Karadzic were hiding if they were claiming that they were innocent. If someone is innocent he wouldn't hide but this clearly shows that they are as guilty as they can be.
(Montenegrin, 26 May 2011 19:01)
Probably more to do with the fact that The hague has been proven a corrupted court (see: Rade Markovic testimony at Milosevic Trial).
Finally, Today a man who killed over 800,000 In the Rwandan Genocide was also arrested, but he has been mostly Ignored. He killed 100x more then Mladic is alledged to have killed, outside the Balkans at least should'nt he be the headline maker?
Please Serbs from Serbia,WAKE UP for heavens sake,quit with your anationalist Yugoloving mentality,quit of pacifism and start behaving like honourous people,not like scoundrels looking to sell each and everything from the household!
This kind of behaviour WILL NOT BRING YOU ANY PROSPERITY!
Zivio General Ratko Mladic
(CG, 26 May 2011 18:38)
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I agree with EVERYTHING you wrote.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for those words.
after all the yrs Mladich has dementia. what will they do with him now, he is probably thinking the bosnian muslim ss that killed his family in 1942 has captured him
Mladic heroj! Serbia,Russia with you!
Serbia, Russians are with you! Milosevic and Mladic - heroes of Slavs! Serbs, throw away the NATO yoke!
Kосово - это Сербия!Kosovo - je Serbia!Kosovo - it is Serbia!
For Mladic arrest is a bittersweet news.
He is old and sick now he needs more care and Hague will be able to provide care and secure his safety.Even his family will be able to visit him more often than before,he enjoyed life last 16 years so probably he gave the green light to Boris Tadic to arrest him now since we all know Tadic was protecting him.
What example? A group of US soldiers rape a girl and then go bragging about it? It just goes to show the mentality of these soldiers thinking they can do anything after murdering civilians, torturing prisoners and committing war crimes unhindered.
(Zoran, 26 May 2011 18:19)
Exactly, and he got a life sentence for his "mentality"(and risked death penalty - Mladic is lucky; the max he can get at ICTY is life sentence, even though what he allegedly did is much more sick).
Anyway, what you said that "US soldiers can pretty much murder, torture and commit war crimes knowing they will get away with it" is false as this example and the stats for US showed. Sorry that you can't vent your anger in that direction.
If you want to say the many Serb, Croat, Kosovar, Bosniak, etc, soldiers committed these sick acts and got away with it, you may have a point there. But, at least, the alleged masterminds are not escaping justice.
I'm a serb and I'm proud of that. Reading all this comments shows you how many people different nacions are addicted to hate. This make you worst than Mladic hero or evil only he knows. But beside that I'm not sure but comments telling me that most of commentors didn't read one book in their lifes. Let me give you example and facts for all those uneducated.
Civilazation of humans started with eating food with knife and fork not with a hands and that happend where firs guess Serbia. I do not want to mention Tesla he was also Serb and for all who hate us let us hate more every time when they switch ligts on. We know from where our roots coming from but for rest of commentors I can not say they know. My advice to all who hate us, hate make you worst than Mladic guilty or not. All of you are affected with inferiority complex and you should seek proffesional help.
Oh man this is a disgrace leave the guy alone the west wanting him so could join the EU...The EU is full of corruption and debt ridden..They will suck the nation dry of resource an so on... The Serbs should just wake up to themselves and start trading with non EU members, trust me they need u more than what u need them simple fact of truth.. Do not give into IMF, EU demands its road to hell along with financiers and global bankers...Wake up and rise live with in your means ... Get rid of these political barons who end up being wealthy with blood money
Mladic did not recognize the Hague Tribunal - but he was unable to communicate. ))) Anyway: I'm glad that Mladic is arrested and that Serbia isn't his hostage anymore. I wish him a fair trial and a very long life.
It is amazing how many new commentators have found this site today and how many lies have been repeated to maintain false images of a history that had to written a certain way and that at all costs cannot be changed, but that will be over time. Thank you General Ratko Mladic for saving the lives of many Serbs and many Serbs feel disgusted by your cheap betrayal from a government that will face a certain humiliating defeat. You are a tragic hero who, like all humans, made some mistakes, but who, when the patriotic duty called, took on a huge responsibility and burden.
If those "Butchers" are Christians ,I am not a Christian !!!
First The Nazi Genocide of the Jews and now Genocide of the Muslims !!!
Also I admit Iraq War is a Genocide againts Iraqis !
All of those so called Christians are Disgraces of Humanity
DISGRACES OF HUMANITY.
I live in the country which stopped war in Bosnia,USA.
Judging by the comments of majority,hatred and nationalism still prevail and will be there for years to come.
In my opinion none of the parties should receive any help from USA,not now and never.Serbs,Croats and Muslims should find solutions by themselves.
A sad day for Serbia, A very happy day for the civilized world.
(The Count of Kosova, 26 May 2011 21:39)
Oh Lord of the Dance which is the civilised part? Is it the one that killed 10 000 of your Albanians during the bombardment of Kosovo in 1999 or perhaps the killing of 200 000 Iraqis during the last invasion of that country or perhaps the most recent killings in Libya? What a charming civlised world you uphold, but then you are an Albanian and we expect little better from you.
"It is unbelievable how for example the Serbs in Bosnia,despite that they are just one and half a million people fought and preserved themselves all alone!"
That's actually rather funny. A minority inherit one of the best equipped armies in Europe, and turn it against unarmed elements of the society they live in.
But when the remains of those unarmed elements fight back, the heroic Serbs collapse, requiring Milosevic to go begging to Clinton to save Banja Luka.
(Renko, 26 May 2011 23:27)
How wonderful to see that you were at the negotiating table with Clinton and Milosevic.
If those so called unarmed elements had their way they would have taken all of Bosnia under their control, but you see it was only after agreement that the Serbs withdrew to the lines we have today not because the Bosniaks “fought back”. You guys were too busy killing your Croat allies who stabbed you in the back at your weakest point LOL.
You have to admit that we Serbs are a superior people and stood up to the mightiest of windbags, the US, and now hold 50% of Bosnia and get what we want at the drop of a hat; ask Ashton why she was in Banja Luka recently.
We begged no one, but you Bosnaiks, Croat, Albanians had to hold onto mother’s dress like you did in WW2 – always good at beating someone with their hands tied behind their backs, but this time the Serbs did not give you this advantage and wiped you clean.
This arrest means maybee somthing to stupid people. But it means nothing to me!! Serbian institutions knew all the time where he was and I bet they assisted him when somebody tryed to give him up. I mean, is the serbian security agency so incompetent so they cannot locate an old man in tiny Serbia ? I dont belive that at all!
Now when they know he is about to die they turn him in for the sake of EU membership. Plus they know that in Haag he can live his last days better than in a retirehome in Serbia and get better treatment for his sicknes. He got 16 years for free in freedom. He is not going to be punished because the cell in Haag is better than an apartament in Serbia.
This only reminds me how cold and inhumane serbs can be and that they never deserve trust from me or any human being. They are bad people and it is shown here by the state of Serbia wich let this coward lowlife murder to live free for 16 years.´
I just hope there is a God who can judge him and give him the sentence he deserves when he dies in a few years or even months.
"It is unbelievable how for example the Serbs in Bosnia,despite that they are just one and half a million people fought and preserved themselves all alone!"
That's actually rather funny. A minority inherit one of the best equipped armies in Europe, and turn it against unarmed elements of the society they live in.
But when the remains of those unarmed elements fight back, the heroic Serbs collapse, requiring Milosevic to go begging to Clinton to save Banja Luka.
i am from EU and reckon that for instance i find the albanian or "illyrian" civilisation-culture (extremely egocentric, cruel and nationalistic) is far worse than the serb one - so clarify which civilised world - there are many different of them - muslim, hindu, budhist, christian, secular and many more, plus different currents inside them etc.
I read almost all the comments and I am appalled at what some people have to say regarding this savage criminal. I find absolutely no bravery in his acts of savagery from bombing of Sarajevo to killing all the residents of Srebrenica and Zepa. This individual represents the worst that humanity has to offer. Leading an assault on an unprotected city and thereafter killing all its citizens is an act of barbarian and that is exactly what this savage is... nothing but a ruthless barbarian. To all of you who are calling this monster a hero I encourage you to learn this old saying in Albanian "Shame does not inflict wounds".
I can only imagine how hard it must be for families who lost their loved ones to hear someone call this "lowlife" a hero. May god give strength to his victims as he indeed is the worst that humanity has seen in the recent past.
"Albanians do seem to have something Serbs want otherwise there wouldn't be this whole "Kosovo IS Serbia" rhetoric."
RSA
Kosovo is already Serbian so it not something we want but something we already own. All Serbian churches and monasteries in Kosovo date back to the 13th centurey which is overwhelming proof who Kosovo belong to. So, when I said albanians don't have anything anyone want I ment that.
- How would you know they gave him immunity?
(metrod, 26 May 2011 17:57)
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That's what was being reported at the time and the State Dept. didn't refute it. They asked that both Mladic and Karadzic disappear out of the public light, which they did, and it was reported they would receive immunity.
There are many reports about this on the internet so search if you please. Check this http://europeancourier.org/test/2010/12/10/sacirbey-ratko-mladic-is-in-serbia/
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Mladic and Karadzic continue freely moving throughout BiH. Karadzic is candidate,(1996),for office,(also in violation of Dayton Accords as he is indicted by ICTY). Pursuant to “negotiations” led by Holbrooke,evidence strongly suggests that Karadzic is afforded effective immunity from arrest as long as Karadzic withdraws as candidate,(already a budding embarrassment to US and European states). Mladic is also probably afforded such immunity,as both agree to maintain a lower profile.
The decision came due to the poor condition of the suspect's physical and mental health, said reports.
Mladić's lawyer Miloš Šaljić stated for the media that Dilparić attempted to interview Mladić, but that he failed due to the former general's inability to communicate.
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So it looks like the reports of a stroke are true? How is this going to help his case if he can't stand trial? Based on statements from Tadic and Dodik, it looks like Thaci and his gang plus some war criminals from BiH are next in line. Is the deal that an incapacitated Mladic gets arrested so that Thaci, Atif Dudaković, Naser Orić and other high political officials go on trial also? Lets wait and see.
Evil incarnated. A coward wanted for genocide and crimes against humanity. Maybe a typical Serbian hero .... but not for civilized people of this globe.
First of all, I'm happy that he has been caught before his death. Now he will spend the rest of his life in jail. Nevertheless, I must say that I want to hear more about how he could hide and why has been found just now when it was getting very ugly for Tadic's foreign but also internal policy.
Zoran, in this case you talk semantics-arrested/captured, if it pleases you. The point is what's important.
And if you want to talk official versions: Osama was killed because he was armed and presented danger to US soldiers. It would have been the same with Mladic, if he followed his idea of fighting till the end. Or maybe he mixed his pills that day...it happens
(Bojana, 26 May 2011 18:23)
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No Bojana, the official version is that he was not armed. Check
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8489658/Osama-bin-Laden-was-not-armed-and-did-not-use-wife-as-human-shield.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/03/MNNC1JBH24.DTL
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/03/us-binladen-shootout-idUSTRE7425U020110503
So instead of:
John Stewart: So what, we shouldn't have arrested him?
It should be:
John Stewart: So what, we shouldn't have shot an unarmed person and thrown him into the sea?
And the answer is no, we should have captured him and allowed him to tell the truth to the world just as I hope Mladic will now do.
However, I suspect that certain powers (no prizes for guessing who) will continue to distort the truth and spin things the way they want. No one should be scared of the truth except for those hiding behind it.
What exactly was Mladic "protecting"? BiH seemed pretty peaceful before the Bosnian Serb army started firing their weapons.
Albanians do seem to have something Serbs want otherwise there wouldn't be this whole "Kosovo IS Serbia" rhetoric.
Hard to believer that he could hide in the house of a relative. Shouldn't relatives be the first ones to be checked thoroughly by the police for hiding an alleged criminal?
Horrible day for Serbia: surrender Mladic, surrender Kosovo, then surrender your currency. Neoliberalism and the impoverishment of Serbia is in full swing.
That's something both Serbian and Albanian nationalists didn't want to happen. Well, men and women of yesterday, here we are. You can weep till the end of days.
Hard to believer that he could hide in the house of a relative. Shouldn't relatives be the first ones to be checked thoroughly by the police for hiding an alleged criminal?
(Top, 26 May 2011 20:02)
You always seemed too smart to make a comment such as this. Do you really believe that they have been "thoroughly" searching for him all this time?
Note the timing after the report of the Hague prosecutor is bad and Serbia is notified that in order for candidate status to be granted this year he had to be arrested. Kind of what you call being between a rock and a hard place. Inorder to secure what has been promised the DS had to give him up or lose power.
I would also bet that his health has deteriorated to the point where he will be unable to stand trial, note the witness that said he helped him dress.
How much of a coincidence is this 'sudden' arrest really? Merely two weeks after Washington guns down Bin Laden who also hid in Pakistan's heartland, Serbian authorities also 'happen' find Europe's most appalling and vicious criminal living in a quiet Serbian village hardly 100km from Belgrade! Now please don't tell me that Serbia wasn't an accomplice in making sure that he lead a comfortable and easy life in the last 16 years! Serbia has as many questions to answer about Ratko Mladic just like Pakistan needs to answer for Bin Laden.
His arrest brings no justice whatsoever to those who lost their beloved ones in Bosnia (etc) because the damage has already been done! You cannot return the dead back to life.... unfortunately.
Yet this guy will remain a hero in Serbia and Serbian politicians have made a very calculated move to arrest him at this specific moment! They did this not only to win more backing from Europe about its aspirations to join the EU but also to win sympathy during the negotiations with Kosova.
@ MikeC
Izetbegovic was defending BiH (but he was no angel). Tudjman and Milosevic were attacking them. What would you do? Thaci will has his day in court. It's a pity that the rest didnt make it to stand trial. Almost all Yugoslavs involved in the fighting between 1990 and 2000 did something wrong yet none of them want to claim responsibility for their wrong doing. Why does the Hague have to hunt for these "heroes"?
and until Serbia recognizes Kosovo as an independent state, I dont think that Serbia's reputation will change. Sorry.
(ANTIGONA, 26 May 2011 18:58)
Keep on dreaming,it is NEVER going to happen,not even this traitor Tadic would try something like this,after this action he is finished anyway...
Next year there are elections...
BRANKO/UK said:
"What another bad deal for Serbia give Mladic up and you can join the UK/FRENCH/GERMAN corrupt EU club, thats bust.
Shame on Tadic...…..
(BRANKO/UK, 26 May 2011 16:49)"
Actually, no. Serbia only gave up Mladic to secure "EU candidate status". Actually joining the EU is a whole different story.
In order to join the EU, Serbia will have to recognize Kosovo, arrest Goran Hadzic, dismiss the annexation of the Republika Srpska, clean up their judicial and business laws, etc...
Once all this is taken care of, Serbia will be set to join the EU in 2055.
"truth chicago" wrote this: " love it. Today is going to be a great day for me. Im going to enjoy a nice plate of pancakes and think about how lovely it is that Serbia traded their war hero for EU membership:) Thats loyalty! Thats Serbian "strength" and "honor". Serbs will always turn on themselves as they historically have done. Kisses from Chicago!"
dude, seriously, what is wrong with you? why that animal-like hatred against the Serbs???
I mean, what the heck are you talking about? it was not THE Serbs who have extradited Mr.Mladic to foreign powers, but only a small group of traitors. I personally wouldn´t mind if the serb constitution allowed extradition of serb citizens, actually. but if not, Tadic and his comrades are simply violating the serbian constitution
you may eat your pancake and be happy, but be sure that your happiness is cheap. =)
you know, that cheapish attempt to provoke the Serbs or at least to show your sentiments actually is not of interest here.
as for strength and honor, you should not watch too much american movies, I guess.
better read history books, and you will learn about the glorious serbian history. the reasons why european scholars learned serbian, why the English, German and other elites once were quiet serbophile...
I know, for an Albanian it may be hard to face that, but for your souls sake, you should at least try it! =)
This has to be the sadest day for all Serbian enemies..with this chapter closed sky is the limit for Serbia..
And at the end of his speech Tadic did reminded all-organ snatchers are next..
Well perhaps you can provide us with the list of the thousand upon thousand Serbs wanted for war crimes walking the streets of Belgrade. According to the ICJ the list has 61 names on it. Only one person remains at large, Hadzic.
According to me Mladic is a hero. Republika Srpska and the entire Serbian population will always remember the protector of Serbdom. What you albanians think no one cares. You have nothing we want and you have even less to offer Serbs or the rest of the world, besides crime.
So another serb "hero" hiding under a different name is caught and put in front of justice.
I wonder why him and Karadzic were hiding if they were claiming that they were innocent. If someone is innocent he wouldn't hide but this clearly shows that they are as guilty as they can be.
You need to learn how to read. Most positive comments are from non-Serbs. All I can say, as a Serb, is that this is a sad day for Serbia.
If Mladic is a war criminal then what is Izetbegovic, Tudjman, Naser Oric, Ramus, Thaci and the rest of the albanian pack.
all Muslims and ignorant Dhimmies feel to be in Heaven. by the way, wasn't it a Muslim who spilled first civilian blood of a Serb in Bosnia? what goes around comes around - Islam is a death ideology like Stalinism was - point!
(an european, 26 May 2011 14:02)
The first casualty in Bosnia and Herzegovina is a point of contention between Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs. Bosniaks and Croats consider the first casualties of the war after the independence declaration to be Suada Dilberović and Olga Sučić, who were shot during a peace march by unidentified Serb gunmen on April 5 in a Holiday Inn hotel under the control of the Serbian Democratic Party. Serbs consider Nikola Gardović, a groom's father who was killed at a Serb wedding procession on the second day of the referendum, on March 1, 1992 in Sarajevo's old town Baščaršija, to be the first victim of the war. On September 19, 1991, the Yugoslav People's Army (JNA) moved extra troops to the area around the city of Mostar, which was publicly protested by the local government. On October 13, 1991 future president of Republika Srpska, Radovan Karadžić expressed his view about future of Bosnia and Bosnian Muslims: "In just a couple of days, Sarajevo will be gone and there will be five hundred thousand dead, in one month Muslims will be annihilated in Bosnia and Herzegovina" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/6452035/Karadzic-war-crimes-trial-Phone-conversation-played-out.html .
No Zoran they can't, because the justice system works there even against their own soldiers. See example below:
(icj1, 26 May 2011 17:20)
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What example? A group of US soldiers rape a girl and then go bragging about it? It just goes to show the mentality of these soldiers thinking they can do anything after murdering civilians, torturing prisoners and committing war crimes unhindered. The mistake of this sicko (from his point of view) was not keeping his mouth shut because I'm pretty sure he would have got away with it otherwise. That is how it works with the US army.
So you cut a section of my post and what, you neglected the whole section on the Dasht-i-Leili massacre? Did you watch the documentary and hear how an eye witness counted 8000 prisoners? Did you read how the US was involved in this massacre? Did you read how both George Bush and Barak Obama have decided not to investigate this crime against the advice of International organisation including the Red Cross? Did you read how the mass grave sites have been tampered with and removed? How about the cover-up and how eye witnesses have been killed?
You see, that's the problem with people like you, Roberto and the land snatchers. You turn a blind eye to the very crimes committed by your side, be it in Afghanistan, Palestine, Iraq, KiM, Albania and other places around the world, but somehow try to preach to others about justice. That's why you, Roberto and the land snatchers have absolutely zero credibility.
So tell me, why hasn't the Dasht-i-Leili massacre been investigated? Why isn't anyone facing war crimes charges? Why has it been covered up? The US Srebrenica occurred but you guys turn a blind eye to it? Shameful!
One more Serbian criminal has been catched (although everyone probably knew exactley where he was all the time. Now, hand in all the thousand others that walk freely in the streets of Belgrade. I dont think Mladic killed over 200.000 people on his own. Until all the criminals are handed in and until Serbia recognizes Kosovo as an independent state, I dont think that Serbia's reputation will change. Sorry.
All the negative comments reminded me of a Daily show episode right after Osama's capture: John Stewart: So what, we shouldn't have arrested him?;)
(Bojana, 26 May 2011 15:56)
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According to the official story, Osama wasn't arrested. He was unarmed, shot dead and then thrown into the sea. There is a difference between that and being arrested.
(Zoran, 26 May 2011 16:54)
Zoran, in this case you talk semantics-arrested/captured, if it pleases you. The point is what's important.
And if you want to talk official versions: Osama was killed because he was armed and presented danger to US soldiers. It would have been the same with Mladic, if he followed his idea of fighting till the end. Or maybe he mixed his pills that day...it happens
Thank you very much,Russian brother!
You are 100% right,but this is not the first time Serbians from Serbia are selling out Croatian,Bosnian,Kosovo Serbs...
It is unbelievable how for example the Serbs in Bosnia,despite that they are just one and half a million people fought and preserved themselves all alone!They are staunch nationalists and ready to fight for themselves and that is why they are doing much better economically compared to Serbia !
Serbs from Serbia are mostly Yugonostalgics,brainwashed by 50 years of anational communism and with very low character,they would even sell their mothers for 50 cents!
That is why they sold Kosovo to the Albanians(for big bucks)...
If Serbs in Serbia were the same nationalists and people of character like Bosnian Serbs,belive me,never ever would the Albanians get a grip of Kosovo...
You know that the conscription rate in Belgrade during the war was just 13%?
Please Serbs from Serbia,WAKE UP for heavens sake,quit with your anationalist Yugoloving mentality,quit of pacifism and start behaving like honourous people,not like scoundrels looking to sell each and everything from the household!
This kind of behaviour WILL NOT BRING YOU ANY PROSPERITY!
Tadic speaking as if he represents the Serbian people where we all know here that this is an absolute joke,
(Danijel, 26 May 2011 13:35)
Why, he does not represent the Serbian people ? I thought that Serbia was a great democratic country, much more than, say, Kosovo... !
When are we going to see punishment for Western leaders, be it Cinton, Bush or even Blair, for their disgraceful crimes against people.
(Danijel, 26 May 2011 13:35)
Any proof of the crimes ? In order to have a crime, you first have to indicate the law that prohibits a certain act (for example you have to say that according to article X of Law Y, and bla, bla, bla...). Second, you have to show that the act prohibited by the law was indeed committed as a matter of fact. Third you have to show that it was Cinton, Bush and/or Blair who committed the act. You did not show any of the three things above, so not sure what you were trying to say.
Unfortunately Boris, that is not the world we live in. NATO and US soldiers can pretty much murder, torture and commit war crimes knowing they will get away with it.
(Zoran, 26 May 2011 13:57)
No Zoran they can't, because the justice system works there even against their own soldiers. See example below:
This guy would have been happy to go to the ICTY where he would have been sure to have his life spared. In the US he risked to get the death penalty and the prosecution asked for it. At the end he got a life sentence.
See also at the end of the article "the last U.S. soldier to be executed was hanged in 1961, and 135 people have been executed by the military since 1916". Show me stats from other countries and then we can speak.
Why highduke ? because you are still flying high ?
Serbia arrected an indicted (alleged) criminal based on an arrest warrant issued by the ICTY which was created with the blessing of Russia, China, US, UK, and France for this purpose.
Serbia should know that more than anybody else because we have heard ad nauseam for years how Searbia is a great supporter of Security Council resolutions and international law... Don't you agree that there is nothing to shame about if you're just implementing international law ?
I hope it's less politically-motivated than the last time. It needs to be kept in mind that the media claims about Bosnia turned out to be lies. Did the hundreds of thousands in mass graves ever materialize? To put it in context, the third "mass grave" of civilians ever found, was finally found last year, with less than 200. Very bad, but not worth killing however many thousands of Serbs, was it? No one said "Clinton lied, people died" did they? Milosevic died after 5 years in which the world court couldn't find sufficient evidence to bring him to trial. Habeas corpus is an important thing, isn't it, but it showed the absolute moral bankruptcy and political nature of the world court that they wouldn't release a person when they couldn't find enough evidence to actually bring him to trial. Then the EU wonders why few nations "recognize" the world court. Why would they? Politics is not justice.
"Mladic was having regular meetings with NATO generals in BiH for a while after being indicted. The US gave him immunity just like Karadzic but of course they won't admit it.
Zoran"
Wake up Serbia, the West wont relent with the humiliation!! Maybe you should stop blaming Tadic and have a good look at yourself, you voted for maggots like him and Cedomir, and you're about to do the same for a 'great serbian patriot' the great leader of SNS, Tomislav Nikolic. The man who aspires to lead the country isn’t prepared to tell you his stance on the most important issues. OR maybe you should continue on the path of selling your dignity and culture. Recognize Kosovo, give the Jihadists in Sandzak wider autonomy or maybe even statehood, sever your ties with Banja Luka and hope by 2050 you would be part of EU. The Serbian people and the government they elected to represent them have managed to humiliate themselves more in the last decade than the Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian Empire ever thought possible. Once proud People, today you are ridiculed by the Fascist and Jihadist neighbours that take great pleasure in your demise. Congratulations!!
The US gave him immunity just like Karadzic but of course they won't admit it.
(Zoran, 26 May 2011 14:11)
ICTY has already ruled that US immunity, even if it existed, is nil. Nobody authorized US to issue immunities from international criminal law. Karadzic and Mladic must have had a very low IQ to believe that the immunity (if it existed) had any value...
Thats Serbian "strength" and "honor". Serbs will always turn on themselves as they historically have done. Kisses from Chicago!
(The Truth Chicago, 26 May 2011 14:16)
Unfortunately I have to agree with you!
But there is one other thing:
This hero defended the Serb nation and he succeded in it!
This result will stay and he will go into history as an hero of his people...
History books in 300 years will praise him while Tadic won`t be even mentioned...
This is nothing but good news, and demonstrates again that Serbia is forward thinking and ready to put the interests of its people and future first. This should be no surprise; remember the risks they took in arresting Milosevic?
There are too many folks here getting paid to make obnoxious posts to stoke tension between the Serbs and Albanians. You are selling your souls!
All the negative comments reminded me of a Daily show episode right after Osama's capture: John Stewart: So what, we shouldn't have arrested him?;)
(Bojana, 26 May 2011 15:56)
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According to the official story, Osama wasn't arrested. He was unarmed, shot dead and then thrown into the sea. There is a difference between that and being arrested.
Its funny how Serbians are patting themselves on the back as if they did something special. This guy has been sheltered by Serbia since 1995! This was long overdue.All this nonsense about the "south stream" and Russia and China makes my head hurt. Serbia is realizing that its Europe or nothing.
What another bad deal for Serbia give Mladic up and you can join the UK/FRENCH/GERMAN corrupt EU club, thats bust.
Serbia will have to follow the rule of do what we say, not do what we do.
None of the MEP's couldn't lie straight in bed.
Shame on Tadic............
"Soon Serbia will be welcomed into the club of the most indebted nations and we will have to live up to our side of the deal - by taking out huge loans."
I don't know how the banking system works in Serbia, but up here, no one is pointing a gun at your head and forcing you to take out a loan.
Up here, it seems like the biggest danger to loan takers isn't gun, but mobile phones. People seems unable to resist the urge to send an SMS-text message and 10 minutes later having €200 in their bank account.
Serbia should have arrested Ratko Mladić a long time ago for all the misery, mayhem, destruction and death he has caused. Ratko Mladić will stand trial his victims didn't.
Nearly every day, for the last decade, we have been stating: mladic is "hiding" in serbia. well at the beginning, clearly in plain sight, no hiding about it. at the football games, untouchable. but over the last few years, clearly no public sightings. but harbored by successive belgrade regimes -- hiding in plain sight. we always knew, and always said that when thy wished to nab him, if they were so MOTIVATED, and if there was the appropriate outside pressure, then it would happen. that, or the navy seals.
oh, it must be true, just hearing about it on the bbc.
tadic now claims "we have cleared our name!" but as we have been asking, what do you call the people, the govt, that has been harboring such a criminal (and so many others) over the years. we need to demand an intrntl investigation about the harboring, because that's the secondary story.
mladic is surely one evil piece, and thank god he will never be free again. thank god for the hague -- that's who we should be grateful to. imperfect as it is.
i also want to take this opportunity to thank every single person -- and country (brave little netherlands comes to mind) -- for not allowing this story to be forgotten. so many people on this site (and beyond) tried their hardest to divert our attention -- "he's dead!! he's so sick!! he can't be found, he's in belasrus, n korea." whatever. for at least the last decade he was squarely in serbia, probably right in belgd for most. again -- never let them divert you from the truth -- despite all of the personal attacks, the stupid diversions, the censorship, the lies.
stay on task, cling to the truth, and in the end the truth will set us free. as in today.
it would be nice to believe that by arresting mladic, it somehow shows that tadic is trying to be a tiny bit more "progressive." i don't believe it, but we shall see. will he use this as just one most stunt, and say: see, we did what you told us to, give us membership, now! or will he somehow realize that never-ending ultra-nationalism is not the way to go, that even without a clear moral background you need to be pragmatic, learn to compromise, learn to get along with yr neighbors, instead of continuing to torture them. we shall see, we will be watching. stay tuned.
But I think this is not the time to bring those things up. I for one am really pleased that Serbia is starting to look to the future for the benefit of all in the Balkans.
God bless ...
(SiriusBlack, 26 May 2011 15:50)
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You mean Serbia has always been torn between the east and west, with both players dividing our people? Where are we now though? With Serbia currently occupied by western forces we have Tadic in a similar position as Nedic (when under NAZI occupation).
As Sv Sava said:
"At first we were confused. The East thought that we were West, while the West considered us to be East. Some of us misunderstood our place in the clash of currents, so they cried that we belong to neither side, and others that we belong exlusively to one side or the other. But I tell you, Ireneus, we are doomed by fate to be the East in the West and the West in the East, to acknowledge only heavenly Jerusalem beyond us, and here on earth--no one".
I would expect nothing less than an orgy of self righteousness and hateful headlines in the western corporate media for months, BEFORE NATO "suicide" him like they did President Milosevic, Mladic knows too much.
The quisling regime and Tadic will get a slap on the shoulder before things go back to stick & mace as usual somebody should also check Tadic account for blood money.
resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada visiting Plymouth,Minnesota,USA
pre 12 godina
The Truth Chicago: While I admire your rejoicing that Ratko Mladic has been captured my only concerns are that why do you conclude with the statement "Kisses from Chicago" instead of "Greetings from Chicago"?,also,I'm curious as to why you nickname yourself "The Truth Chicago" instead of "The Truth from Chicago"? I'm sorry The Truth Chicago but I find your statement "Kisses from Chicago" and your nickname to be weird.
I would like to congratulate Sebia from Kosovo Albanian. There is nothing to say Serbia wants to have a chance in the world and this was a big obstetrical to get in EU. Serbia is moving forward lets do the same and Send the ones we have in Kosovo their way to Jail as well.
Cleaning house means for all of us. Then Finish this conflicts and move together towards EU.
All the negative comments reminded me of a Daily show episode right after Osama's capture: John Stewart: So what, we shouldn't have arrested him?;)
Congrats to the President and citizens of Serbia, better late than never.
Well,i think that this is best proof that Serbia doesn't have it's own way of thinking,but instead of that we can only do something if EU tells us so.This is the same thing like with fake azilants,we started to fix that problem when EU told us that we will lose white shengen,and in case of Mladic we arrested him when they told us that our EU future is questionable.Sad but true...
What about the thousands of civilian deaths all over S.America in the 70's, 80's? The Middle East? False-flag operations to create reasons for retaliation and imperialism? Some of the biggest war criminals are in the White House and always have been. When will they be tried at the Hague? I understand now.... When the Western private-bankers start a war somewhere its called 'spreading the wings of democracy' but when someone else does the same its inevitably called 'terrorism', 'cruelty' and such like terms. Those terms are often followed by 'US intervention' e.g. Egypt, Libya, Iraq.
What a world we live in!
This is excellent news that has been long overdue. Congratulations to Tadic and Co for undertaking this mission and congratulations to Serbia for finally getting this weight off their backs. Let him stand trial and be accounted for the crimes weighed against him and let's move on.
I love it. Today is going to be a great day for me. Im going to enjoy a nice plate of pancakes and think about how lovely it is that Serbia traded their war hero for EU membership:) Thats loyalty! Thats Serbian "strength" and "honor". Serbs will always turn on themselves as they historically have done. Kisses from Chicago!
(The Truth Chicago, 26 May 2011 14:16)
Oh dear, can't you just hear the bitterness beneath all that false jollity? This shows how much those Albos and their friends who were constantly whining about Mladic really cared about the principles involved - not at all, it would appear. What are you going to whine about tomorrow then, Goran Hadzic? And what are you going to trade for EU membership? There's not a lot in the cupboard: I reckon it'll take Thaci and half the KLA on organ harvesting charges before Brussels is even vaguely interested.
To Zoran: I think what The Truth Chicago is referring to, are those several instances in Serbia's history like the betrayal of Karadorde (Milos Obrenovic betrayed him didn't he?) or perhaps the betrayal of Draza Mihajlovic (Serbian communists in this case), or the more rescent (I mean historically rescent) cases of Aleksandar Rankovic or Slobodan Milosevic etc.
But I think this is not the time to bring those things up. I for one am really pleased that Serbia is starting to look to the future for the benefit of all in the Balkans.
This is excellent news that has been long overdue. Congratulations to Tadic and Co for undertaking this mission and congratulations to Serbia for finally getting this weight off their backs. Let him stand trial and be accounted for the crimes weighed against him and let's move on.
(Mike, 26 May 2011 15:32)
I would like to echo those sentiments Mike. A good day for all.
Thats Serbian "strength" and "honor". Serbs will always turn on themselves as they historically have done. Kisses from Chicago!
(The Truth Chicago, 26 May 2011 14:16)
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Yes, the world knows all about your Albanian drug and organ trafficking "heroes". You make them your leaders.
You have a point though, your support for these terrorists remains strong and united. Give yourself a pat on the back.
My personal viewpoint is that Serbia has been held back by Mladic and is many hundreds of millions worth of Euros in development and economic terms behind other nations due to suspected war criminals like Mladic being free.
(bganon, 26 May 2011 13:46)
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I think what you really mean is that Serbia is hundreds of millions, in fact billions of Euros worth of loans behind other regional nations. Soon Serbia will be welcomed into the club of the most indebted nations and we will have to live up to our side of the deal - by taking out huge loans.
Business is business and if there is money to be made then why would someone like Mladic get in the way? The most likely scenario now is that Serbia is going to be accelerated into the group of PIIGS.
all Muslims and ignorant Dhimmies feel to be in Heaven. by the way, wasn't it a Muslim who spilled first civilian blood of a Serb in Bosnia? what goes around comes around - Islam is a death ideology like Stalinism was - point!
Ooohhhh what a surprise! Ok, now that these 16 years of intense diplomatic efforts gave birth to the little mouse, we can all hope in a better future where ALL the War criminals go to jail? Where the countries won't be hostages of these people any more like Serbia was? Wake up people!
Mladic was already wanted back than, but at the time it obviously didn't represent an ethical issue to Tadic to treat him as honorable officer.
(remember, 26 May 2011 13:48)
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Mladic was having regular meetings with NATO generals in BiH for a while after being indicted. The US gave him immunity just like Karadzic but of course they won't admit it.
Finally Serbia succumbs to pressure. I commend Mr Tadic for his bravery although I am sure this arrest has to do a lot with Serbia wanting to obtain EU candidate status as soon as possible. Nevertheless, it shows that Serbia is looking to the future and wants to once and for all draw a line under its rescent (not so glorious) past. For that I would like to congratulate Mr Tadic and all those in Serbia who see their future in the family of democratic European nations.
However, not in the very distant future, Serbia will have to be persuaded to do something about its reluctancy about the issue of Kosovo's independence. I think it will be asked to recognize it or give up on the EU ambition. Maybe not in such blatant terms but something very similar will be put in front of Serbia and I think it will most probably be a sort of offer that one can not refuse. Either way, I think we will see what sort of future Serbia will choose before the end of this decade I dare say.
For the time being though, congratulations to all in Serbia who today rejoice in the knowledge that one of the greatest war criminals of rescent wars is safely kept behind bars.
Now Serbia just have to capture Goran Hadzic and recognize the independence of Kosovo to get candidae status for EU. Let's see how fast this will happend. I hope not 16 years like with Mladic case.
But good to see that Serbia is listening to their master EU and US and send their ''hero'' to jail!!
As I've said forever....Serbia would turn in their own if the price was right. No Mladic, no EU:) Im glad to see this animal being brought to justice. This is a beautiful day in the world:)
I love it. Today is going to be a great day for me. Im going to enjoy a nice plate of pancakes and think about how lovely it is that Serbia traded their war hero for EU membership:) Thats loyalty! Thats Serbian "strength" and "honor". Serbs will always turn on themselves as they historically have done. Kisses from Chicago!
Its been a long time coming. Frankly I'm suprised it happened at all at this stage as it was strongly rumoured that Mladic has been in bad health for years now.
In any case he will appear in the Hague very soon.
What is there to say about this? Justice? For sure many people will feel a sense of justice / closure at this stage. On the other Serbs (and others) will tell you that it still doesn't change the fact that the Hague is a biased court where only non NATO war crimes are prosecuted.
Perhaps both viewpoints are correct. My personal viewpoint is that Serbia has been held back by Mladic and is many hundreds of millions worth of Euros in development and economic terms behind other nations due to suspected war criminals like Mladic being free.
I am not only referring to EU membership and the potential or supposed benefits that bring. I am referring to hesitant foreign investors, to the money spent on various departments investigating the whereabouts of these alleged war criminals. I am referring to the waste of time and energy that people used to write, talk, think and watch these issues. That time and energy that could have been used on the foundation of new businesses, on the writing of new articles investigating corruption, learning about new interests that can help one appreciate the beauty of life and so on.
If one really thinks and cares about the future, one has to wonder why this took so long.
Our disgrace of a government knew where he was hiding for a while, and they decided that now was the time to give him up. Tadic speaking as if he represents the Serbian people where we all know here that this is an absolute joke, anything to get Serbia into the EU finishing off our country once and for all. When are we going to see punishment for Western leaders, be it Cinton, Bush or even Blair, for their disgraceful crimes against people. Tadic has not seen the end of this and the Serbian people will not sit by, this will only further disturbe the ethnic tensions in the region.
Don't forget that Tadic gave Mladic a pension and retired him while he was minister of defense less than 10 years ago. Mladic was already wanted back than, but at the time it obviously didn't represent an ethical issue to Tadic to treat him as honorable officer.
Well done, it's about some people know what the meaning of HERO really is!!! Time to put Serbia's shady past behind and build a positive one something like Novak Djokovic is doing a very great job on!!!
seems like Mr.Tadic is trying to get into a better position in regard to EU-connection.
will probably also be of help in the k-albanian organ-trade-affair.
but actually, I´d like to answer a comment by some other user here
who wrote:
" war is not an event where you can can kill, torture and do what you want without future reprisals." ...well then, my dear, why aren´t the US-soldiers facing trials?
I think I do not have to list US-american war crimes here...
If it's true , it's a great day for Serbia! Nobody is under the laws! This will make much more easier the integration of Serbia in Europe. I live in Switzerland and my wife is Serbian. I love so much Serbia, a fantastic country! And i would like that Serbia is recognized through Europe and the world. Nole helps a lot, but this arrest is very important. Good luck to Serbia! Hvala
If it's him, it's a good news for all Serbs and Serbia. Nobody is above the law. And I hope that all soldiers around the world will understand that a war is not an event where you can can kill, torture and do what you want without future reprisals.
And I hope that all soldiers around the world will understand that a war is not an event where you can can kill, torture and do what you want without future reprisals.
(Boris J, 26 May 2011 13:14)
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Unfortunately Boris, that is not the world we live in. NATO and US soldiers can pretty much murder, torture and commit war crimes knowing they will get away with it.
The US has it's very own Srebrenica committed in Afghanistan, called the Dasht-i-Leili massacre, which has gone unpunished for 10 years with thousands killed, mass graves removed and the media remaining pretty much quiet about it.
And a documentary about it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWPDZhgISdw
Witnesses have been killed and evidence removed so we just have a cover-up by the US government. The world's biggest war criminals are still free in the US and UK.
If it's him, it's a good news for all Serbs and Serbia. Nobody is above the law. And I hope that all soldiers around the world will understand that a war is not an event where you can can kill, torture and do what you want without future reprisals.
Its been a long time coming. Frankly I'm suprised it happened at all at this stage as it was strongly rumoured that Mladic has been in bad health for years now.
In any case he will appear in the Hague very soon.
What is there to say about this? Justice? For sure many people will feel a sense of justice / closure at this stage. On the other Serbs (and others) will tell you that it still doesn't change the fact that the Hague is a biased court where only non NATO war crimes are prosecuted.
Perhaps both viewpoints are correct. My personal viewpoint is that Serbia has been held back by Mladic and is many hundreds of millions worth of Euros in development and economic terms behind other nations due to suspected war criminals like Mladic being free.
I am not only referring to EU membership and the potential or supposed benefits that bring. I am referring to hesitant foreign investors, to the money spent on various departments investigating the whereabouts of these alleged war criminals. I am referring to the waste of time and energy that people used to write, talk, think and watch these issues. That time and energy that could have been used on the foundation of new businesses, on the writing of new articles investigating corruption, learning about new interests that can help one appreciate the beauty of life and so on.
If one really thinks and cares about the future, one has to wonder why this took so long.
Mladic was already wanted back than, but at the time it obviously didn't represent an ethical issue to Tadic to treat him as honorable officer.
(remember, 26 May 2011 13:48)
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Mladic was having regular meetings with NATO generals in BiH for a while after being indicted. The US gave him immunity just like Karadzic but of course they won't admit it.
Our disgrace of a government knew where he was hiding for a while, and they decided that now was the time to give him up. Tadic speaking as if he represents the Serbian people where we all know here that this is an absolute joke, anything to get Serbia into the EU finishing off our country once and for all. When are we going to see punishment for Western leaders, be it Cinton, Bush or even Blair, for their disgraceful crimes against people. Tadic has not seen the end of this and the Serbian people will not sit by, this will only further disturbe the ethnic tensions in the region.
seems like Mr.Tadic is trying to get into a better position in regard to EU-connection.
will probably also be of help in the k-albanian organ-trade-affair.
but actually, I´d like to answer a comment by some other user here
who wrote:
" war is not an event where you can can kill, torture and do what you want without future reprisals." ...well then, my dear, why aren´t the US-soldiers facing trials?
I think I do not have to list US-american war crimes here...
As I've said forever....Serbia would turn in their own if the price was right. No Mladic, no EU:) Im glad to see this animal being brought to justice. This is a beautiful day in the world:)
And I hope that all soldiers around the world will understand that a war is not an event where you can can kill, torture and do what you want without future reprisals.
(Boris J, 26 May 2011 13:14)
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Unfortunately Boris, that is not the world we live in. NATO and US soldiers can pretty much murder, torture and commit war crimes knowing they will get away with it.
The US has it's very own Srebrenica committed in Afghanistan, called the Dasht-i-Leili massacre, which has gone unpunished for 10 years with thousands killed, mass graves removed and the media remaining pretty much quiet about it.
And a documentary about it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWPDZhgISdw
Witnesses have been killed and evidence removed so we just have a cover-up by the US government. The world's biggest war criminals are still free in the US and UK.
Well done, it's about some people know what the meaning of HERO really is!!! Time to put Serbia's shady past behind and build a positive one something like Novak Djokovic is doing a very great job on!!!
all Muslims and ignorant Dhimmies feel to be in Heaven. by the way, wasn't it a Muslim who spilled first civilian blood of a Serb in Bosnia? what goes around comes around - Islam is a death ideology like Stalinism was - point!
Now Serbia just have to capture Goran Hadzic and recognize the independence of Kosovo to get candidae status for EU. Let's see how fast this will happend. I hope not 16 years like with Mladic case.
But good to see that Serbia is listening to their master EU and US and send their ''hero'' to jail!!
Wake up Serbia, the West wont relent with the humiliation!! Maybe you should stop blaming Tadic and have a good look at yourself, you voted for maggots like him and Cedomir, and you're about to do the same for a 'great serbian patriot' the great leader of SNS, Tomislav Nikolic. The man who aspires to lead the country isn’t prepared to tell you his stance on the most important issues. OR maybe you should continue on the path of selling your dignity and culture. Recognize Kosovo, give the Jihadists in Sandzak wider autonomy or maybe even statehood, sever your ties with Banja Luka and hope by 2050 you would be part of EU. The Serbian people and the government they elected to represent them have managed to humiliate themselves more in the last decade than the Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian Empire ever thought possible. Once proud People, today you are ridiculed by the Fascist and Jihadist neighbours that take great pleasure in your demise. Congratulations!!
I would like to congratulate Sebia from Kosovo Albanian. There is nothing to say Serbia wants to have a chance in the world and this was a big obstetrical to get in EU. Serbia is moving forward lets do the same and Send the ones we have in Kosovo their way to Jail as well.
Cleaning house means for all of us. Then Finish this conflicts and move together towards EU.
I love it. Today is going to be a great day for me. Im going to enjoy a nice plate of pancakes and think about how lovely it is that Serbia traded their war hero for EU membership:) Thats loyalty! Thats Serbian "strength" and "honor". Serbs will always turn on themselves as they historically have done. Kisses from Chicago!
Thats Serbian "strength" and "honor". Serbs will always turn on themselves as they historically have done. Kisses from Chicago!
(The Truth Chicago, 26 May 2011 14:16)
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Yes, the world knows all about your Albanian drug and organ trafficking "heroes". You make them your leaders.
You have a point though, your support for these terrorists remains strong and united. Give yourself a pat on the back.
Thats Serbian "strength" and "honor". Serbs will always turn on themselves as they historically have done. Kisses from Chicago!
(The Truth Chicago, 26 May 2011 14:16)
Unfortunately I have to agree with you!
But there is one other thing:
This hero defended the Serb nation and he succeded in it!
This result will stay and he will go into history as an hero of his people...
History books in 300 years will praise him while Tadic won`t be even mentioned...
Thank you very much,Russian brother!
You are 100% right,but this is not the first time Serbians from Serbia are selling out Croatian,Bosnian,Kosovo Serbs...
It is unbelievable how for example the Serbs in Bosnia,despite that they are just one and half a million people fought and preserved themselves all alone!They are staunch nationalists and ready to fight for themselves and that is why they are doing much better economically compared to Serbia !
Serbs from Serbia are mostly Yugonostalgics,brainwashed by 50 years of anational communism and with very low character,they would even sell their mothers for 50 cents!
That is why they sold Kosovo to the Albanians(for big bucks)...
If Serbs in Serbia were the same nationalists and people of character like Bosnian Serbs,belive me,never ever would the Albanians get a grip of Kosovo...
You know that the conscription rate in Belgrade during the war was just 13%?
Please Serbs from Serbia,WAKE UP for heavens sake,quit with your anationalist Yugoloving mentality,quit of pacifism and start behaving like honourous people,not like scoundrels looking to sell each and everything from the household!
This kind of behaviour WILL NOT BRING YOU ANY PROSPERITY!
I love it. Today is going to be a great day for me. Im going to enjoy a nice plate of pancakes and think about how lovely it is that Serbia traded their war hero for EU membership:) Thats loyalty! Thats Serbian "strength" and "honor". Serbs will always turn on themselves as they historically have done. Kisses from Chicago!
(The Truth Chicago, 26 May 2011 14:16)
Oh dear, can't you just hear the bitterness beneath all that false jollity? This shows how much those Albos and their friends who were constantly whining about Mladic really cared about the principles involved - not at all, it would appear. What are you going to whine about tomorrow then, Goran Hadzic? And what are you going to trade for EU membership? There's not a lot in the cupboard: I reckon it'll take Thaci and half the KLA on organ harvesting charges before Brussels is even vaguely interested.
What about the thousands of civilian deaths all over S.America in the 70's, 80's? The Middle East? False-flag operations to create reasons for retaliation and imperialism? Some of the biggest war criminals are in the White House and always have been. When will they be tried at the Hague? I understand now.... When the Western private-bankers start a war somewhere its called 'spreading the wings of democracy' but when someone else does the same its inevitably called 'terrorism', 'cruelty' and such like terms. Those terms are often followed by 'US intervention' e.g. Egypt, Libya, Iraq.
What a world we live in!
"It is unbelievable how for example the Serbs in Bosnia,despite that they are just one and half a million people fought and preserved themselves all alone!"
That's actually rather funny. A minority inherit one of the best equipped armies in Europe, and turn it against unarmed elements of the society they live in.
But when the remains of those unarmed elements fight back, the heroic Serbs collapse, requiring Milosevic to go begging to Clinton to save Banja Luka.
Nearly every day, for the last decade, we have been stating: mladic is "hiding" in serbia. well at the beginning, clearly in plain sight, no hiding about it. at the football games, untouchable. but over the last few years, clearly no public sightings. but harbored by successive belgrade regimes -- hiding in plain sight. we always knew, and always said that when thy wished to nab him, if they were so MOTIVATED, and if there was the appropriate outside pressure, then it would happen. that, or the navy seals.
oh, it must be true, just hearing about it on the bbc.
tadic now claims "we have cleared our name!" but as we have been asking, what do you call the people, the govt, that has been harboring such a criminal (and so many others) over the years. we need to demand an intrntl investigation about the harboring, because that's the secondary story.
mladic is surely one evil piece, and thank god he will never be free again. thank god for the hague -- that's who we should be grateful to. imperfect as it is.
i also want to take this opportunity to thank every single person -- and country (brave little netherlands comes to mind) -- for not allowing this story to be forgotten. so many people on this site (and beyond) tried their hardest to divert our attention -- "he's dead!! he's so sick!! he can't be found, he's in belasrus, n korea." whatever. for at least the last decade he was squarely in serbia, probably right in belgd for most. again -- never let them divert you from the truth -- despite all of the personal attacks, the stupid diversions, the censorship, the lies.
stay on task, cling to the truth, and in the end the truth will set us free. as in today.
it would be nice to believe that by arresting mladic, it somehow shows that tadic is trying to be a tiny bit more "progressive." i don't believe it, but we shall see. will he use this as just one most stunt, and say: see, we did what you told us to, give us membership, now! or will he somehow realize that never-ending ultra-nationalism is not the way to go, that even without a clear moral background you need to be pragmatic, learn to compromise, learn to get along with yr neighbors, instead of continuing to torture them. we shall see, we will be watching. stay tuned.
So another serb "hero" hiding under a different name is caught and put in front of justice.
I wonder why him and Karadzic were hiding if they were claiming that they were innocent. If someone is innocent he wouldn't hide but this clearly shows that they are as guilty as they can be.
Well perhaps you can provide us with the list of the thousand upon thousand Serbs wanted for war crimes walking the streets of Belgrade. According to the ICJ the list has 61 names on it. Only one person remains at large, Hadzic.
According to me Mladic is a hero. Republika Srpska and the entire Serbian population will always remember the protector of Serbdom. What you albanians think no one cares. You have nothing we want and you have even less to offer Serbs or the rest of the world, besides crime.
What another bad deal for Serbia give Mladic up and you can join the UK/FRENCH/GERMAN corrupt EU club, thats bust.
Serbia will have to follow the rule of do what we say, not do what we do.
None of the MEP's couldn't lie straight in bed.
Shame on Tadic............
You need to learn how to read. Most positive comments are from non-Serbs. All I can say, as a Serb, is that this is a sad day for Serbia.
If Mladic is a war criminal then what is Izetbegovic, Tudjman, Naser Oric, Ramus, Thaci and the rest of the albanian pack.
Don't forget that Tadic gave Mladic a pension and retired him while he was minister of defense less than 10 years ago. Mladic was already wanted back than, but at the time it obviously didn't represent an ethical issue to Tadic to treat him as honorable officer.
My personal viewpoint is that Serbia has been held back by Mladic and is many hundreds of millions worth of Euros in development and economic terms behind other nations due to suspected war criminals like Mladic being free.
(bganon, 26 May 2011 13:46)
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I think what you really mean is that Serbia is hundreds of millions, in fact billions of Euros worth of loans behind other regional nations. Soon Serbia will be welcomed into the club of the most indebted nations and we will have to live up to our side of the deal - by taking out huge loans.
Business is business and if there is money to be made then why would someone like Mladic get in the way? The most likely scenario now is that Serbia is going to be accelerated into the group of PIIGS.
One more Serbian criminal has been catched (although everyone probably knew exactley where he was all the time. Now, hand in all the thousand others that walk freely in the streets of Belgrade. I dont think Mladic killed over 200.000 people on his own. Until all the criminals are handed in and until Serbia recognizes Kosovo as an independent state, I dont think that Serbia's reputation will change. Sorry.
If it's true , it's a great day for Serbia! Nobody is under the laws! This will make much more easier the integration of Serbia in Europe. I live in Switzerland and my wife is Serbian. I love so much Serbia, a fantastic country! And i would like that Serbia is recognized through Europe and the world. Nole helps a lot, but this arrest is very important. Good luck to Serbia! Hvala
This is excellent news that has been long overdue. Congratulations to Tadic and Co for undertaking this mission and congratulations to Serbia for finally getting this weight off their backs. Let him stand trial and be accounted for the crimes weighed against him and let's move on.
(Mike, 26 May 2011 15:32)
I would like to echo those sentiments Mike. A good day for all.
all Muslims and ignorant Dhimmies feel to be in Heaven. by the way, wasn't it a Muslim who spilled first civilian blood of a Serb in Bosnia? what goes around comes around - Islam is a death ideology like Stalinism was - point!
(an european, 26 May 2011 14:02)
The first casualty in Bosnia and Herzegovina is a point of contention between Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs. Bosniaks and Croats consider the first casualties of the war after the independence declaration to be Suada Dilberović and Olga Sučić, who were shot during a peace march by unidentified Serb gunmen on April 5 in a Holiday Inn hotel under the control of the Serbian Democratic Party. Serbs consider Nikola Gardović, a groom's father who was killed at a Serb wedding procession on the second day of the referendum, on March 1, 1992 in Sarajevo's old town Baščaršija, to be the first victim of the war. On September 19, 1991, the Yugoslav People's Army (JNA) moved extra troops to the area around the city of Mostar, which was publicly protested by the local government. On October 13, 1991 future president of Republika Srpska, Radovan Karadžić expressed his view about future of Bosnia and Bosnian Muslims: "In just a couple of days, Sarajevo will be gone and there will be five hundred thousand dead, in one month Muslims will be annihilated in Bosnia and Herzegovina" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/6452035/Karadzic-war-crimes-trial-Phone-conversation-played-out.html .
BRANKO/UK said:
"What another bad deal for Serbia give Mladic up and you can join the UK/FRENCH/GERMAN corrupt EU club, thats bust.
Shame on Tadic...…..
(BRANKO/UK, 26 May 2011 16:49)"
Actually, no. Serbia only gave up Mladic to secure "EU candidate status". Actually joining the EU is a whole different story.
In order to join the EU, Serbia will have to recognize Kosovo, arrest Goran Hadzic, dismiss the annexation of the Republika Srpska, clean up their judicial and business laws, etc...
Once all this is taken care of, Serbia will be set to join the EU in 2055.
This is excellent news that has been long overdue. Congratulations to Tadic and Co for undertaking this mission and congratulations to Serbia for finally getting this weight off their backs. Let him stand trial and be accounted for the crimes weighed against him and let's move on.
Horrible day for Serbia: surrender Mladic, surrender Kosovo, then surrender your currency. Neoliberalism and the impoverishment of Serbia is in full swing.
I read almost all the comments and I am appalled at what some people have to say regarding this savage criminal. I find absolutely no bravery in his acts of savagery from bombing of Sarajevo to killing all the residents of Srebrenica and Zepa. This individual represents the worst that humanity has to offer. Leading an assault on an unprotected city and thereafter killing all its citizens is an act of barbarian and that is exactly what this savage is... nothing but a ruthless barbarian. To all of you who are calling this monster a hero I encourage you to learn this old saying in Albanian "Shame does not inflict wounds".
I can only imagine how hard it must be for families who lost their loved ones to hear someone call this "lowlife" a hero. May god give strength to his victims as he indeed is the worst that humanity has seen in the recent past.
This arrest means maybee somthing to stupid people. But it means nothing to me!! Serbian institutions knew all the time where he was and I bet they assisted him when somebody tryed to give him up. I mean, is the serbian security agency so incompetent so they cannot locate an old man in tiny Serbia ? I dont belive that at all!
Now when they know he is about to die they turn him in for the sake of EU membership. Plus they know that in Haag he can live his last days better than in a retirehome in Serbia and get better treatment for his sicknes. He got 16 years for free in freedom. He is not going to be punished because the cell in Haag is better than an apartament in Serbia.
This only reminds me how cold and inhumane serbs can be and that they never deserve trust from me or any human being. They are bad people and it is shown here by the state of Serbia wich let this coward lowlife murder to live free for 16 years.´
I just hope there is a God who can judge him and give him the sentence he deserves when he dies in a few years or even months.
Ooohhhh what a surprise! Ok, now that these 16 years of intense diplomatic efforts gave birth to the little mouse, we can all hope in a better future where ALL the War criminals go to jail? Where the countries won't be hostages of these people any more like Serbia was? Wake up people!
Serbia should have arrested Ratko Mladić a long time ago for all the misery, mayhem, destruction and death he has caused. Ratko Mladić will stand trial his victims didn't.
But I think this is not the time to bring those things up. I for one am really pleased that Serbia is starting to look to the future for the benefit of all in the Balkans.
God bless ...
(SiriusBlack, 26 May 2011 15:50)
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You mean Serbia has always been torn between the east and west, with both players dividing our people? Where are we now though? With Serbia currently occupied by western forces we have Tadic in a similar position as Nedic (when under NAZI occupation).
As Sv Sava said:
"At first we were confused. The East thought that we were West, while the West considered us to be East. Some of us misunderstood our place in the clash of currents, so they cried that we belong to neither side, and others that we belong exlusively to one side or the other. But I tell you, Ireneus, we are doomed by fate to be the East in the West and the West in the East, to acknowledge only heavenly Jerusalem beyond us, and here on earth--no one".
I hope it's less politically-motivated than the last time. It needs to be kept in mind that the media claims about Bosnia turned out to be lies. Did the hundreds of thousands in mass graves ever materialize? To put it in context, the third "mass grave" of civilians ever found, was finally found last year, with less than 200. Very bad, but not worth killing however many thousands of Serbs, was it? No one said "Clinton lied, people died" did they? Milosevic died after 5 years in which the world court couldn't find sufficient evidence to bring him to trial. Habeas corpus is an important thing, isn't it, but it showed the absolute moral bankruptcy and political nature of the world court that they wouldn't release a person when they couldn't find enough evidence to actually bring him to trial. Then the EU wonders why few nations "recognize" the world court. Why would they? Politics is not justice.
Evil incarnated. A coward wanted for genocide and crimes against humanity. Maybe a typical Serbian hero .... but not for civilized people of this globe.
"Albanians do seem to have something Serbs want otherwise there wouldn't be this whole "Kosovo IS Serbia" rhetoric."
RSA
Kosovo is already Serbian so it not something we want but something we already own. All Serbian churches and monasteries in Kosovo date back to the 13th centurey which is overwhelming proof who Kosovo belong to. So, when I said albanians don't have anything anyone want I ment that.
i am from EU and reckon that for instance i find the albanian or "illyrian" civilisation-culture (extremely egocentric, cruel and nationalistic) is far worse than the serb one - so clarify which civilised world - there are many different of them - muslim, hindu, budhist, christian, secular and many more, plus different currents inside them etc.
The decision came due to the poor condition of the suspect's physical and mental health, said reports.
Mladić's lawyer Miloš Šaljić stated for the media that Dilparić attempted to interview Mladić, but that he failed due to the former general's inability to communicate.
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So it looks like the reports of a stroke are true? How is this going to help his case if he can't stand trial? Based on statements from Tadic and Dodik, it looks like Thaci and his gang plus some war criminals from BiH are next in line. Is the deal that an incapacitated Mladic gets arrested so that Thaci, Atif Dudaković, Naser Orić and other high political officials go on trial also? Lets wait and see.
"truth chicago" wrote this: " love it. Today is going to be a great day for me. Im going to enjoy a nice plate of pancakes and think about how lovely it is that Serbia traded their war hero for EU membership:) Thats loyalty! Thats Serbian "strength" and "honor". Serbs will always turn on themselves as they historically have done. Kisses from Chicago!"
dude, seriously, what is wrong with you? why that animal-like hatred against the Serbs???
I mean, what the heck are you talking about? it was not THE Serbs who have extradited Mr.Mladic to foreign powers, but only a small group of traitors. I personally wouldn´t mind if the serb constitution allowed extradition of serb citizens, actually. but if not, Tadic and his comrades are simply violating the serbian constitution
you may eat your pancake and be happy, but be sure that your happiness is cheap. =)
you know, that cheapish attempt to provoke the Serbs or at least to show your sentiments actually is not of interest here.
as for strength and honor, you should not watch too much american movies, I guess.
better read history books, and you will learn about the glorious serbian history. the reasons why european scholars learned serbian, why the English, German and other elites once were quiet serbophile...
I know, for an Albanian it may be hard to face that, but for your souls sake, you should at least try it! =)
This has to be the sadest day for all Serbian enemies..with this chapter closed sky is the limit for Serbia..
And at the end of his speech Tadic did reminded all-organ snatchers are next..
and until Serbia recognizes Kosovo as an independent state, I dont think that Serbia's reputation will change. Sorry.
(ANTIGONA, 26 May 2011 18:58)
Keep on dreaming,it is NEVER going to happen,not even this traitor Tadic would try something like this,after this action he is finished anyway...
Next year there are elections...
That's something both Serbian and Albanian nationalists didn't want to happen. Well, men and women of yesterday, here we are. You can weep till the end of days.
Finally Serbia succumbs to pressure. I commend Mr Tadic for his bravery although I am sure this arrest has to do a lot with Serbia wanting to obtain EU candidate status as soon as possible. Nevertheless, it shows that Serbia is looking to the future and wants to once and for all draw a line under its rescent (not so glorious) past. For that I would like to congratulate Mr Tadic and all those in Serbia who see their future in the family of democratic European nations.
However, not in the very distant future, Serbia will have to be persuaded to do something about its reluctancy about the issue of Kosovo's independence. I think it will be asked to recognize it or give up on the EU ambition. Maybe not in such blatant terms but something very similar will be put in front of Serbia and I think it will most probably be a sort of offer that one can not refuse. Either way, I think we will see what sort of future Serbia will choose before the end of this decade I dare say.
For the time being though, congratulations to all in Serbia who today rejoice in the knowledge that one of the greatest war criminals of rescent wars is safely kept behind bars.
All the negative comments reminded me of a Daily show episode right after Osama's capture: John Stewart: So what, we shouldn't have arrested him?;)
Congrats to the President and citizens of Serbia, better late than never.
Why highduke ? because you are still flying high ?
Serbia arrected an indicted (alleged) criminal based on an arrest warrant issued by the ICTY which was created with the blessing of Russia, China, US, UK, and France for this purpose.
Serbia should know that more than anybody else because we have heard ad nauseam for years how Searbia is a great supporter of Security Council resolutions and international law... Don't you agree that there is nothing to shame about if you're just implementing international law ?
First of all, I'm happy that he has been caught before his death. Now he will spend the rest of his life in jail. Nevertheless, I must say that I want to hear more about how he could hide and why has been found just now when it was getting very ugly for Tadic's foreign but also internal policy.
Its funny how Serbians are patting themselves on the back as if they did something special. This guy has been sheltered by Serbia since 1995! This was long overdue.All this nonsense about the "south stream" and Russia and China makes my head hurt. Serbia is realizing that its Europe or nothing.
No Zoran they can't, because the justice system works there even against their own soldiers. See example below:
(icj1, 26 May 2011 17:20)
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What example? A group of US soldiers rape a girl and then go bragging about it? It just goes to show the mentality of these soldiers thinking they can do anything after murdering civilians, torturing prisoners and committing war crimes unhindered. The mistake of this sicko (from his point of view) was not keeping his mouth shut because I'm pretty sure he would have got away with it otherwise. That is how it works with the US army.
So you cut a section of my post and what, you neglected the whole section on the Dasht-i-Leili massacre? Did you watch the documentary and hear how an eye witness counted 8000 prisoners? Did you read how the US was involved in this massacre? Did you read how both George Bush and Barak Obama have decided not to investigate this crime against the advice of International organisation including the Red Cross? Did you read how the mass grave sites have been tampered with and removed? How about the cover-up and how eye witnesses have been killed?
You see, that's the problem with people like you, Roberto and the land snatchers. You turn a blind eye to the very crimes committed by your side, be it in Afghanistan, Palestine, Iraq, KiM, Albania and other places around the world, but somehow try to preach to others about justice. That's why you, Roberto and the land snatchers have absolutely zero credibility.
So tell me, why hasn't the Dasht-i-Leili massacre been investigated? Why isn't anyone facing war crimes charges? Why has it been covered up? The US Srebrenica occurred but you guys turn a blind eye to it? Shameful!
What exactly was Mladic "protecting"? BiH seemed pretty peaceful before the Bosnian Serb army started firing their weapons.
Albanians do seem to have something Serbs want otherwise there wouldn't be this whole "Kosovo IS Serbia" rhetoric.
"Soon Serbia will be welcomed into the club of the most indebted nations and we will have to live up to our side of the deal - by taking out huge loans."
I don't know how the banking system works in Serbia, but up here, no one is pointing a gun at your head and forcing you to take out a loan.
Up here, it seems like the biggest danger to loan takers isn't gun, but mobile phones. People seems unable to resist the urge to send an SMS-text message and 10 minutes later having €200 in their bank account.
Hard to believer that he could hide in the house of a relative. Shouldn't relatives be the first ones to be checked thoroughly by the police for hiding an alleged criminal?
How much of a coincidence is this 'sudden' arrest really? Merely two weeks after Washington guns down Bin Laden who also hid in Pakistan's heartland, Serbian authorities also 'happen' find Europe's most appalling and vicious criminal living in a quiet Serbian village hardly 100km from Belgrade! Now please don't tell me that Serbia wasn't an accomplice in making sure that he lead a comfortable and easy life in the last 16 years! Serbia has as many questions to answer about Ratko Mladic just like Pakistan needs to answer for Bin Laden.
His arrest brings no justice whatsoever to those who lost their beloved ones in Bosnia (etc) because the damage has already been done! You cannot return the dead back to life.... unfortunately.
Yet this guy will remain a hero in Serbia and Serbian politicians have made a very calculated move to arrest him at this specific moment! They did this not only to win more backing from Europe about its aspirations to join the EU but also to win sympathy during the negotiations with Kosova.
- How would you know they gave him immunity?
(metrod, 26 May 2011 17:57)
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That's what was being reported at the time and the State Dept. didn't refute it. They asked that both Mladic and Karadzic disappear out of the public light, which they did, and it was reported they would receive immunity.
There are many reports about this on the internet so search if you please. Check this http://europeancourier.org/test/2010/12/10/sacirbey-ratko-mladic-is-in-serbia/
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Mladic and Karadzic continue freely moving throughout BiH. Karadzic is candidate,(1996),for office,(also in violation of Dayton Accords as he is indicted by ICTY). Pursuant to “negotiations” led by Holbrooke,evidence strongly suggests that Karadzic is afforded effective immunity from arrest as long as Karadzic withdraws as candidate,(already a budding embarrassment to US and European states). Mladic is also probably afforded such immunity,as both agree to maintain a lower profile.
This is nothing but good news, and demonstrates again that Serbia is forward thinking and ready to put the interests of its people and future first. This should be no surprise; remember the risks they took in arresting Milosevic?
There are too many folks here getting paid to make obnoxious posts to stoke tension between the Serbs and Albanians. You are selling your souls!
resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada visiting Plymouth,Minnesota,USA
pre 12 godina
The Truth Chicago: While I admire your rejoicing that Ratko Mladic has been captured my only concerns are that why do you conclude with the statement "Kisses from Chicago" instead of "Greetings from Chicago"?,also,I'm curious as to why you nickname yourself "The Truth Chicago" instead of "The Truth from Chicago"? I'm sorry The Truth Chicago but I find your statement "Kisses from Chicago" and your nickname to be weird.
All the negative comments reminded me of a Daily show episode right after Osama's capture: John Stewart: So what, we shouldn't have arrested him?;)
(Bojana, 26 May 2011 15:56)
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According to the official story, Osama wasn't arrested. He was unarmed, shot dead and then thrown into the sea. There is a difference between that and being arrested.
Unfortunately Boris, that is not the world we live in. NATO and US soldiers can pretty much murder, torture and commit war crimes knowing they will get away with it.
(Zoran, 26 May 2011 13:57)
No Zoran they can't, because the justice system works there even against their own soldiers. See example below:
This guy would have been happy to go to the ICTY where he would have been sure to have his life spared. In the US he risked to get the death penalty and the prosecution asked for it. At the end he got a life sentence.
See also at the end of the article "the last U.S. soldier to be executed was hanged in 1961, and 135 people have been executed by the military since 1916". Show me stats from other countries and then we can speak.
Well,i think that this is best proof that Serbia doesn't have it's own way of thinking,but instead of that we can only do something if EU tells us so.This is the same thing like with fake azilants,we started to fix that problem when EU told us that we will lose white shengen,and in case of Mladic we arrested him when they told us that our EU future is questionable.Sad but true...
I would expect nothing less than an orgy of self righteousness and hateful headlines in the western corporate media for months, BEFORE NATO "suicide" him like they did President Milosevic, Mladic knows too much.
The quisling regime and Tadic will get a slap on the shoulder before things go back to stick & mace as usual somebody should also check Tadic account for blood money.
The US gave him immunity just like Karadzic but of course they won't admit it.
(Zoran, 26 May 2011 14:11)
ICTY has already ruled that US immunity, even if it existed, is nil. Nobody authorized US to issue immunities from international criminal law. Karadzic and Mladic must have had a very low IQ to believe that the immunity (if it existed) had any value...
To Zoran: I think what The Truth Chicago is referring to, are those several instances in Serbia's history like the betrayal of Karadorde (Milos Obrenovic betrayed him didn't he?) or perhaps the betrayal of Draza Mihajlovic (Serbian communists in this case), or the more rescent (I mean historically rescent) cases of Aleksandar Rankovic or Slobodan Milosevic etc.
But I think this is not the time to bring those things up. I for one am really pleased that Serbia is starting to look to the future for the benefit of all in the Balkans.
So, are not the many enlisted men in rank and order all responsible, up to the general, then? Mladic didnt single handedly execute thousands of people, drive all the trucks loaded with the bodies, dig the numerous mass graves, and dump them in and cover the bodies with dirt. Serbian society as a whole has lots of blood on their hands. There are people all over Serbia that participated in some way in these horrific killings.
"Mladic was having regular meetings with NATO generals in BiH for a while after being indicted. The US gave him immunity just like Karadzic but of course they won't admit it.
Zoran"
All the negative comments reminded me of a Daily show episode right after Osama's capture: John Stewart: So what, we shouldn't have arrested him?;)
(Bojana, 26 May 2011 15:56)
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According to the official story, Osama wasn't arrested. He was unarmed, shot dead and then thrown into the sea. There is a difference between that and being arrested.
(Zoran, 26 May 2011 16:54)
Zoran, in this case you talk semantics-arrested/captured, if it pleases you. The point is what's important.
And if you want to talk official versions: Osama was killed because he was armed and presented danger to US soldiers. It would have been the same with Mladic, if he followed his idea of fighting till the end. Or maybe he mixed his pills that day...it happens
It is amazing how many new commentators have found this site today and how many lies have been repeated to maintain false images of a history that had to written a certain way and that at all costs cannot be changed, but that will be over time. Thank you General Ratko Mladic for saving the lives of many Serbs and many Serbs feel disgusted by your cheap betrayal from a government that will face a certain humiliating defeat. You are a tragic hero who, like all humans, made some mistakes, but who, when the patriotic duty called, took on a huge responsibility and burden.
Please Serbs from Serbia,WAKE UP for heavens sake,quit with your anationalist Yugoloving mentality,quit of pacifism and start behaving like honourous people,not like scoundrels looking to sell each and everything from the household!
This kind of behaviour WILL NOT BRING YOU ANY PROSPERITY!
Zivio General Ratko Mladic
(CG, 26 May 2011 18:38)
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I agree with EVERYTHING you wrote.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for those words.
Tadic speaking as if he represents the Serbian people where we all know here that this is an absolute joke,
(Danijel, 26 May 2011 13:35)
Why, he does not represent the Serbian people ? I thought that Serbia was a great democratic country, much more than, say, Kosovo... !
When are we going to see punishment for Western leaders, be it Cinton, Bush or even Blair, for their disgraceful crimes against people.
(Danijel, 26 May 2011 13:35)
Any proof of the crimes ? In order to have a crime, you first have to indicate the law that prohibits a certain act (for example you have to say that according to article X of Law Y, and bla, bla, bla...). Second, you have to show that the act prohibited by the law was indeed committed as a matter of fact. Third you have to show that it was Cinton, Bush and/or Blair who committed the act. You did not show any of the three things above, so not sure what you were trying to say.
Zoran, in this case you talk semantics-arrested/captured, if it pleases you. The point is what's important.
And if you want to talk official versions: Osama was killed because he was armed and presented danger to US soldiers. It would have been the same with Mladic, if he followed his idea of fighting till the end. Or maybe he mixed his pills that day...it happens
(Bojana, 26 May 2011 18:23)
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No Bojana, the official version is that he was not armed. Check
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8489658/Osama-bin-Laden-was-not-armed-and-did-not-use-wife-as-human-shield.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/03/MNNC1JBH24.DTL
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/03/us-binladen-shootout-idUSTRE7425U020110503
So instead of:
John Stewart: So what, we shouldn't have arrested him?
It should be:
John Stewart: So what, we shouldn't have shot an unarmed person and thrown him into the sea?
And the answer is no, we should have captured him and allowed him to tell the truth to the world just as I hope Mladic will now do.
However, I suspect that certain powers (no prizes for guessing who) will continue to distort the truth and spin things the way they want. No one should be scared of the truth except for those hiding behind it.
Mladic heroj! Serbia,Russia with you!
Serbia, Russians are with you! Milosevic and Mladic - heroes of Slavs! Serbs, throw away the NATO yoke!
Kосово - это Сербия!Kosovo - je Serbia!Kosovo - it is Serbia!
Please Serbs from Serbia,WAKE UP for heavens sake,quit with your anationalist Yugoloving mentality,quit of pacifism and start behaving like honourous people,not like scoundrels looking to sell each and everything from the household!
This kind of behaviour WILL NOT BRING YOU ANY PROSPERITY!
Zivio General Ratko Mladic
(CG, 26 May 2011 18:38)
Why do some Serbs still consider this guy a hero, I never know. He was an evil man, one of the many evil warlords who inflicted death, misery and destruction on the Yugoslav people (I include Thaci, Izetbegovic, Tudjman, Karadzic and Slobo) . He held Serbia back and will now face a judge to answer for his crimes. However I would not send him to the Hague. I would try him in a neutral country and invite all those who suffered because of him to come to the court and give their testimony.
One thing for sure, when the dust settles, Hash and Oric are next.
The extreme nationalists here (Serb, Albanian, Croat) are all as bad as each other. What we need now is peace and reconciliation. With Mladic caught, I hope we can all finally acknowledge our past sins and move on. Enough is enough.
What exactly was Mladic "protecting"? BiH seemed pretty peaceful before the Bosnian Serb army started firing their weapons.
Albanians do seem to have something Serbs want otherwise there wouldn't be this whole "Kosovo IS Serbia" rhetoric.
(RSA, 26 May 2011 20:06)
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Peaceful? Who fired the first shot?
You don't seem to know very much.
How many supporters Mladic (had) has, one can see this from the posters in this forum.
Therefore, I consider my self right when I say: THERE IS A LOT TO BE DONE, before the peace would come.
Serbia, it's obvious, could not effort good medical care for his "hero" and therefore they agreed to send him to Hague, at least he will have (unfortunately) excellent medical care.
And the time was right, in 2 weeks tribunal will read his report (negative report on Serbia cooperation with the tribunal), so arrest of Mladic can have positive affect in this report.
There are continues attempts for Serbia to join EU and this might assist Serbia on this path.
What is wrong in here:
Serbia was claiming, Mladic is not in Serbia, he is well protected by his own military personnel, riots will happen etc etc.
As we see, ALL OF THIS WAS NOTHING BUT LIE...
And, what is surprising me mostly, we see now notes "Mladic is hero"...
My god!!!...
But knowing the past and considering above, I should NOT be surprised.
For some, he will be considered so, for the others NO. For me NOOOOO...
If he will be considered hero, one should explain to me, what should the history book say about him and how should this be perceived by the family of victims?!!!
And also, how to live together if some will consider this sick killer as a hero?!!!
He can avoid the justice, he can hide but ONE HE CAN NOT:
The justice of GOD he will have to meet.
And if you take good look of him, you will see, this justice has already started.
For this, I am praying every day and night and I will continue doing that until I die...
Hard to believer that he could hide in the house of a relative. Shouldn't relatives be the first ones to be checked thoroughly by the police for hiding an alleged criminal?
(Top, 26 May 2011 20:02)
You always seemed too smart to make a comment such as this. Do you really believe that they have been "thoroughly" searching for him all this time?
Note the timing after the report of the Hague prosecutor is bad and Serbia is notified that in order for candidate status to be granted this year he had to be arrested. Kind of what you call being between a rock and a hard place. Inorder to secure what has been promised the DS had to give him up or lose power.
I would also bet that his health has deteriorated to the point where he will be unable to stand trial, note the witness that said he helped him dress.
A sad day for Serbia, A very happy day for the civilized world.
(The Count of Kosova, 26 May 2011 21:39)
Oh Lord of the Dance which is the civilised part? Is it the one that killed 10 000 of your Albanians during the bombardment of Kosovo in 1999 or perhaps the killing of 200 000 Iraqis during the last invasion of that country or perhaps the most recent killings in Libya? What a charming civlised world you uphold, but then you are an Albanian and we expect little better from you.
"It is unbelievable how for example the Serbs in Bosnia,despite that they are just one and half a million people fought and preserved themselves all alone!"
That's actually rather funny. A minority inherit one of the best equipped armies in Europe, and turn it against unarmed elements of the society they live in.
But when the remains of those unarmed elements fight back, the heroic Serbs collapse, requiring Milosevic to go begging to Clinton to save Banja Luka.
(Renko, 26 May 2011 23:27)
How wonderful to see that you were at the negotiating table with Clinton and Milosevic.
If those so called unarmed elements had their way they would have taken all of Bosnia under their control, but you see it was only after agreement that the Serbs withdrew to the lines we have today not because the Bosniaks “fought back”. You guys were too busy killing your Croat allies who stabbed you in the back at your weakest point LOL.
You have to admit that we Serbs are a superior people and stood up to the mightiest of windbags, the US, and now hold 50% of Bosnia and get what we want at the drop of a hat; ask Ashton why she was in Banja Luka recently.
We begged no one, but you Bosnaiks, Croat, Albanians had to hold onto mother’s dress like you did in WW2 – always good at beating someone with their hands tied behind their backs, but this time the Serbs did not give you this advantage and wiped you clean.
I just hope there is a God who can judge him and give him the sentence he deserves when he dies in a few years or even months.
(Demi, 26 May 2011 23:14)
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Demi, the same God is going to judge all of us, including you and your beloved Thaci and his merry men.
As for the part how Serbs are bad people, most of the world would disagree with you on that one.
The world is not stupid and your lot leads the way in bad.
So another serb "hero" hiding under a different name is caught and put in front of justice.
I wonder why him and Karadzic were hiding if they were claiming that they were innocent. If someone is innocent he wouldn't hide but this clearly shows that they are as guilty as they can be.
(Montenegrin, 26 May 2011 19:01)
Probably more to do with the fact that The hague has been proven a corrupted court (see: Rade Markovic testimony at Milosevic Trial).
Finally, Today a man who killed over 800,000 In the Rwandan Genocide was also arrested, but he has been mostly Ignored. He killed 100x more then Mladic is alledged to have killed, outside the Balkans at least should'nt he be the headline maker?
@ MikeC
Izetbegovic was defending BiH (but he was no angel). Tudjman and Milosevic were attacking them. What would you do? Thaci will has his day in court. It's a pity that the rest didnt make it to stand trial. Almost all Yugoslavs involved in the fighting between 1990 and 2000 did something wrong yet none of them want to claim responsibility for their wrong doing. Why does the Hague have to hunt for these "heroes"?
I'm a serb and I'm proud of that. Reading all this comments shows you how many people different nacions are addicted to hate. This make you worst than Mladic hero or evil only he knows. But beside that I'm not sure but comments telling me that most of commentors didn't read one book in their lifes. Let me give you example and facts for all those uneducated.
Civilazation of humans started with eating food with knife and fork not with a hands and that happend where firs guess Serbia. I do not want to mention Tesla he was also Serb and for all who hate us let us hate more every time when they switch ligts on. We know from where our roots coming from but for rest of commentors I can not say they know. My advice to all who hate us, hate make you worst than Mladic guilty or not. All of you are affected with inferiority complex and you should seek proffesional help.
Finally, Today a man who killed over 800,000 In the Rwandan Genocide was also arrested, but he has been mostly Ignored. He killed 100x more then Mladic is alledged to have killed, outside the Balkans at least should'nt he be the headline maker?
(New Zealander, 27 May 2011 09:22)
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Well, you know that US ally General Rashid Dostum is still free and part of the US sponsored Afghan government? He was, along with US and UK military personnel, responsible for the US Srebrenica where thousands of Afghani prisoners were murdered in the Dasht-i-Leili desert. It is interesting to note that the Western media coverage has generally remained mute but there is a trickle of articles out there. Here is another one -> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/sep/14/afghanistan.lukeharding
No one here holds the moral high ground as all parties have committed crimes when engaged in conflict, be it the US, UK, Albanians, Israelis, Serbians, Bosnian Muslims, Croatians and so on. Everyone is guilty but all justify their position.
For those watching/reading non-Western media, such as RT (Russia Today), you can see Serbia being painted in a positive light and that the West is rightfully blamed for starting the wars in the Balkans. Serbians are well supported in the non-Western world and although the west attempts to paint Serbians in a bad light, the rest of the world knows who the real evil doers are.
Mladic is a sickly man both physically and mentally and I doubt he will live much longer. I expect he will get better treatment for his condition in the Hague if he ever gets there.
I live in the country which stopped war in Bosnia,USA.
Judging by the comments of majority,hatred and nationalism still prevail and will be there for years to come.
In my opinion none of the parties should receive any help from USA,not now and never.Serbs,Croats and Muslims should find solutions by themselves.
For Mladic arrest is a bittersweet news.
He is old and sick now he needs more care and Hague will be able to provide care and secure his safety.Even his family will be able to visit him more often than before,he enjoyed life last 16 years so probably he gave the green light to Boris Tadic to arrest him now since we all know Tadic was protecting him.
"Now Serbia just have to capture Goran Hadzic and recognize the independence of Kosovo to get candidae status for EU. Let's see how fast this will happend. I hope not 16 years like with Mladic case."
Did you just return from the other end of the galaxy or what? When was recognizing Kosovo's UDI a condition for EU entry? And I didn't know that the EU (Holland to be more precise) ever stated this Hadzic to be a condition. By the way, I still don't think its wise for Serbia to enter the EU and become another lackey of London, Paris and Berlin.
"But good to see that Serbia is listening to their master EU and US and send their ''hero'' to jail!!
(Demi, 26 May 2011 14:07) "
Gosh, you mean Belgrade actually share the same master as "Kosova"???? My, wonders never cease! Actually you sounded like that classic pot calling the kettle black here!
Oh man this is a disgrace leave the guy alone the west wanting him so could join the EU...The EU is full of corruption and debt ridden..They will suck the nation dry of resource an so on... The Serbs should just wake up to themselves and start trading with non EU members, trust me they need u more than what u need them simple fact of truth.. Do not give into IMF, EU demands its road to hell along with financiers and global bankers...Wake up and rise live with in your means ... Get rid of these political barons who end up being wealthy with blood money
He was really in Serbia after all ..... I had previously hypothesized that he might be somewhere else or even dead. This guy doesn't seem very smart, or maybe its overconfidence -- would have expected him to be in some disguise. But no, he's quite easily identifiable from that photo of him today.
What will happen if he is found to be medically unfit to stand trial?
If those "Butchers" are Christians ,I am not a Christian !!!
First The Nazi Genocide of the Jews and now Genocide of the Muslims !!!
Also I admit Iraq War is a Genocide againts Iraqis !
All of those so called Christians are Disgraces of Humanity
DISGRACES OF HUMANITY.
after all the yrs Mladich has dementia. what will they do with him now, he is probably thinking the bosnian muslim ss that killed his family in 1942 has captured him
Why do some Serbs still consider this guy a hero, I never know.
(Janez-Beograd, 27 May 2011 12:11)
I think its because of the hundreds of thousands he saved in Operation Korridor; the majority of Mladic supporters consider him no different to winston churchill, also a mass murderer (dresden bombings), but he's saved so many; so I see where they're coming from (that combined with the political nature of the hague) .
What example? A group of US soldiers rape a girl and then go bragging about it? It just goes to show the mentality of these soldiers thinking they can do anything after murdering civilians, torturing prisoners and committing war crimes unhindered.
(Zoran, 26 May 2011 18:19)
Exactly, and he got a life sentence for his "mentality"(and risked death penalty - Mladic is lucky; the max he can get at ICTY is life sentence, even though what he allegedly did is much more sick).
Anyway, what you said that "US soldiers can pretty much murder, torture and commit war crimes knowing they will get away with it" is false as this example and the stats for US showed. Sorry that you can't vent your anger in that direction.
If you want to say the many Serb, Croat, Kosovar, Bosniak, etc, soldiers committed these sick acts and got away with it, you may have a point there. But, at least, the alleged masterminds are not escaping justice.
That's what was being reported at the time and the State Dept. didn't refute it. They asked that both Mladic and Karadzic disappear out of the public light, which they did, and it was reported they would receive immunity.
There are many reports about this on the internet so search if you please. Check this [link]/
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Mladic and Karadzic continue freely moving throughout BiH. Karadzic is candidate,(1996),for office,(also in violation of Dayton Accords as he is indicted by ICTY). Pursuant to “negotiations” led by Holbrooke,evidence strongly suggests that Karadzic is afforded effective immunity from arrest as long as Karadzic withdraws as candidate,(already a budding embarrassment to US and European states). Mladic is also probably afforded such immunity,as both agree to maintain a lower profile.
(Zoran, 26 May 2011 21:16)
Dude, it does not take a PhD in Law to understand that in order to have immunity from ICTY, that immunity has to be issued by ICTY or by it's parent body, the Security Council.
Did ICTY issue an immunity for Karadzic or Mladic ? No
Did the Security Council issue an immunity for Karadzic or Mladic ? No
Then, not sure what we are discussing about. Let assume it is true: US did give immunity to Karadzic or Mladic. The latter must have been very ignorant to not ask Holbrook whether ICTY or the Security Council authorized him to give them immunity :)
'The Truth Chicago' needs to get their computer taken away from them. its different to post one, two, maybe three comments. but you repeatedly post nonsense, serb bashing, albanian crap. get a life!
Mladic did not recognize the Hague Tribunal - but he was unable to communicate. ))) Anyway: I'm glad that Mladic is arrested and that Serbia isn't his hostage anymore. I wish him a fair trial and a very long life.
Now Serbia just have to capture Goran Hadzic and recognize the independence of Kosovo to get candidae status for EU. Let's see how fast this will happend. I hope not 16 years like with Mladic case.
But good to see that Serbia is listening to their master EU and US and send their ''hero'' to jail!!
If it's him, it's a good news for all Serbs and Serbia. Nobody is above the law. And I hope that all soldiers around the world will understand that a war is not an event where you can can kill, torture and do what you want without future reprisals.
I love it. Today is going to be a great day for me. Im going to enjoy a nice plate of pancakes and think about how lovely it is that Serbia traded their war hero for EU membership:) Thats loyalty! Thats Serbian "strength" and "honor". Serbs will always turn on themselves as they historically have done. Kisses from Chicago!
all Muslims and ignorant Dhimmies feel to be in Heaven. by the way, wasn't it a Muslim who spilled first civilian blood of a Serb in Bosnia? what goes around comes around - Islam is a death ideology like Stalinism was - point!
Our disgrace of a government knew where he was hiding for a while, and they decided that now was the time to give him up. Tadic speaking as if he represents the Serbian people where we all know here that this is an absolute joke, anything to get Serbia into the EU finishing off our country once and for all. When are we going to see punishment for Western leaders, be it Cinton, Bush or even Blair, for their disgraceful crimes against people. Tadic has not seen the end of this and the Serbian people will not sit by, this will only further disturbe the ethnic tensions in the region.
Well done, it's about some people know what the meaning of HERO really is!!! Time to put Serbia's shady past behind and build a positive one something like Novak Djokovic is doing a very great job on!!!
As I've said forever....Serbia would turn in their own if the price was right. No Mladic, no EU:) Im glad to see this animal being brought to justice. This is a beautiful day in the world:)
One more Serbian criminal has been catched (although everyone probably knew exactley where he was all the time. Now, hand in all the thousand others that walk freely in the streets of Belgrade. I dont think Mladic killed over 200.000 people on his own. Until all the criminals are handed in and until Serbia recognizes Kosovo as an independent state, I dont think that Serbia's reputation will change. Sorry.
Evil incarnated. A coward wanted for genocide and crimes against humanity. Maybe a typical Serbian hero .... but not for civilized people of this globe.
Finally Serbia succumbs to pressure. I commend Mr Tadic for his bravery although I am sure this arrest has to do a lot with Serbia wanting to obtain EU candidate status as soon as possible. Nevertheless, it shows that Serbia is looking to the future and wants to once and for all draw a line under its rescent (not so glorious) past. For that I would like to congratulate Mr Tadic and all those in Serbia who see their future in the family of democratic European nations.
However, not in the very distant future, Serbia will have to be persuaded to do something about its reluctancy about the issue of Kosovo's independence. I think it will be asked to recognize it or give up on the EU ambition. Maybe not in such blatant terms but something very similar will be put in front of Serbia and I think it will most probably be a sort of offer that one can not refuse. Either way, I think we will see what sort of future Serbia will choose before the end of this decade I dare say.
For the time being though, congratulations to all in Serbia who today rejoice in the knowledge that one of the greatest war criminals of rescent wars is safely kept behind bars.
Nearly every day, for the last decade, we have been stating: mladic is "hiding" in serbia. well at the beginning, clearly in plain sight, no hiding about it. at the football games, untouchable. but over the last few years, clearly no public sightings. but harbored by successive belgrade regimes -- hiding in plain sight. we always knew, and always said that when thy wished to nab him, if they were so MOTIVATED, and if there was the appropriate outside pressure, then it would happen. that, or the navy seals.
oh, it must be true, just hearing about it on the bbc.
tadic now claims "we have cleared our name!" but as we have been asking, what do you call the people, the govt, that has been harboring such a criminal (and so many others) over the years. we need to demand an intrntl investigation about the harboring, because that's the secondary story.
mladic is surely one evil piece, and thank god he will never be free again. thank god for the hague -- that's who we should be grateful to. imperfect as it is.
i also want to take this opportunity to thank every single person -- and country (brave little netherlands comes to mind) -- for not allowing this story to be forgotten. so many people on this site (and beyond) tried their hardest to divert our attention -- "he's dead!! he's so sick!! he can't be found, he's in belasrus, n korea." whatever. for at least the last decade he was squarely in serbia, probably right in belgd for most. again -- never let them divert you from the truth -- despite all of the personal attacks, the stupid diversions, the censorship, the lies.
stay on task, cling to the truth, and in the end the truth will set us free. as in today.
it would be nice to believe that by arresting mladic, it somehow shows that tadic is trying to be a tiny bit more "progressive." i don't believe it, but we shall see. will he use this as just one most stunt, and say: see, we did what you told us to, give us membership, now! or will he somehow realize that never-ending ultra-nationalism is not the way to go, that even without a clear moral background you need to be pragmatic, learn to compromise, learn to get along with yr neighbors, instead of continuing to torture them. we shall see, we will be watching. stay tuned.
This arrest means maybee somthing to stupid people. But it means nothing to me!! Serbian institutions knew all the time where he was and I bet they assisted him when somebody tryed to give him up. I mean, is the serbian security agency so incompetent so they cannot locate an old man in tiny Serbia ? I dont belive that at all!
Now when they know he is about to die they turn him in for the sake of EU membership. Plus they know that in Haag he can live his last days better than in a retirehome in Serbia and get better treatment for his sicknes. He got 16 years for free in freedom. He is not going to be punished because the cell in Haag is better than an apartament in Serbia.
This only reminds me how cold and inhumane serbs can be and that they never deserve trust from me or any human being. They are bad people and it is shown here by the state of Serbia wich let this coward lowlife murder to live free for 16 years.´
I just hope there is a God who can judge him and give him the sentence he deserves when he dies in a few years or even months.
If it's true , it's a great day for Serbia! Nobody is under the laws! This will make much more easier the integration of Serbia in Europe. I live in Switzerland and my wife is Serbian. I love so much Serbia, a fantastic country! And i would like that Serbia is recognized through Europe and the world. Nole helps a lot, but this arrest is very important. Good luck to Serbia! Hvala
Thank you very much,Russian brother!
You are 100% right,but this is not the first time Serbians from Serbia are selling out Croatian,Bosnian,Kosovo Serbs...
It is unbelievable how for example the Serbs in Bosnia,despite that they are just one and half a million people fought and preserved themselves all alone!They are staunch nationalists and ready to fight for themselves and that is why they are doing much better economically compared to Serbia !
Serbs from Serbia are mostly Yugonostalgics,brainwashed by 50 years of anational communism and with very low character,they would even sell their mothers for 50 cents!
That is why they sold Kosovo to the Albanians(for big bucks)...
If Serbs in Serbia were the same nationalists and people of character like Bosnian Serbs,belive me,never ever would the Albanians get a grip of Kosovo...
You know that the conscription rate in Belgrade during the war was just 13%?
Please Serbs from Serbia,WAKE UP for heavens sake,quit with your anationalist Yugoloving mentality,quit of pacifism and start behaving like honourous people,not like scoundrels looking to sell each and everything from the household!
This kind of behaviour WILL NOT BRING YOU ANY PROSPERITY!
Thats Serbian "strength" and "honor". Serbs will always turn on themselves as they historically have done. Kisses from Chicago!
(The Truth Chicago, 26 May 2011 14:16)
Unfortunately I have to agree with you!
But there is one other thing:
This hero defended the Serb nation and he succeded in it!
This result will stay and he will go into history as an hero of his people...
History books in 300 years will praise him while Tadic won`t be even mentioned...
Well perhaps you can provide us with the list of the thousand upon thousand Serbs wanted for war crimes walking the streets of Belgrade. According to the ICJ the list has 61 names on it. Only one person remains at large, Hadzic.
According to me Mladic is a hero. Republika Srpska and the entire Serbian population will always remember the protector of Serbdom. What you albanians think no one cares. You have nothing we want and you have even less to offer Serbs or the rest of the world, besides crime.
Its funny how Serbians are patting themselves on the back as if they did something special. This guy has been sheltered by Serbia since 1995! This was long overdue.All this nonsense about the "south stream" and Russia and China makes my head hurt. Serbia is realizing that its Europe or nothing.
And I hope that all soldiers around the world will understand that a war is not an event where you can can kill, torture and do what you want without future reprisals.
(Boris J, 26 May 2011 13:14)
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Unfortunately Boris, that is not the world we live in. NATO and US soldiers can pretty much murder, torture and commit war crimes knowing they will get away with it.
The US has it's very own Srebrenica committed in Afghanistan, called the Dasht-i-Leili massacre, which has gone unpunished for 10 years with thousands killed, mass graves removed and the media remaining pretty much quiet about it.
And a documentary about it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWPDZhgISdw
Witnesses have been killed and evidence removed so we just have a cover-up by the US government. The world's biggest war criminals are still free in the US and UK.
So another serb "hero" hiding under a different name is caught and put in front of justice.
I wonder why him and Karadzic were hiding if they were claiming that they were innocent. If someone is innocent he wouldn't hide but this clearly shows that they are as guilty as they can be.
What exactly was Mladic "protecting"? BiH seemed pretty peaceful before the Bosnian Serb army started firing their weapons.
Albanians do seem to have something Serbs want otherwise there wouldn't be this whole "Kosovo IS Serbia" rhetoric.
Wake up Serbia, the West wont relent with the humiliation!! Maybe you should stop blaming Tadic and have a good look at yourself, you voted for maggots like him and Cedomir, and you're about to do the same for a 'great serbian patriot' the great leader of SNS, Tomislav Nikolic. The man who aspires to lead the country isn’t prepared to tell you his stance on the most important issues. OR maybe you should continue on the path of selling your dignity and culture. Recognize Kosovo, give the Jihadists in Sandzak wider autonomy or maybe even statehood, sever your ties with Banja Luka and hope by 2050 you would be part of EU. The Serbian people and the government they elected to represent them have managed to humiliate themselves more in the last decade than the Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian Empire ever thought possible. Once proud People, today you are ridiculed by the Fascist and Jihadist neighbours that take great pleasure in your demise. Congratulations!!
You need to learn how to read. Most positive comments are from non-Serbs. All I can say, as a Serb, is that this is a sad day for Serbia.
If Mladic is a war criminal then what is Izetbegovic, Tudjman, Naser Oric, Ramus, Thaci and the rest of the albanian pack.
I read almost all the comments and I am appalled at what some people have to say regarding this savage criminal. I find absolutely no bravery in his acts of savagery from bombing of Sarajevo to killing all the residents of Srebrenica and Zepa. This individual represents the worst that humanity has to offer. Leading an assault on an unprotected city and thereafter killing all its citizens is an act of barbarian and that is exactly what this savage is... nothing but a ruthless barbarian. To all of you who are calling this monster a hero I encourage you to learn this old saying in Albanian "Shame does not inflict wounds".
I can only imagine how hard it must be for families who lost their loved ones to hear someone call this "lowlife" a hero. May god give strength to his victims as he indeed is the worst that humanity has seen in the recent past.
Its been a long time coming. Frankly I'm suprised it happened at all at this stage as it was strongly rumoured that Mladic has been in bad health for years now.
In any case he will appear in the Hague very soon.
What is there to say about this? Justice? For sure many people will feel a sense of justice / closure at this stage. On the other Serbs (and others) will tell you that it still doesn't change the fact that the Hague is a biased court where only non NATO war crimes are prosecuted.
Perhaps both viewpoints are correct. My personal viewpoint is that Serbia has been held back by Mladic and is many hundreds of millions worth of Euros in development and economic terms behind other nations due to suspected war criminals like Mladic being free.
I am not only referring to EU membership and the potential or supposed benefits that bring. I am referring to hesitant foreign investors, to the money spent on various departments investigating the whereabouts of these alleged war criminals. I am referring to the waste of time and energy that people used to write, talk, think and watch these issues. That time and energy that could have been used on the foundation of new businesses, on the writing of new articles investigating corruption, learning about new interests that can help one appreciate the beauty of life and so on.
If one really thinks and cares about the future, one has to wonder why this took so long.
Thats Serbian "strength" and "honor". Serbs will always turn on themselves as they historically have done. Kisses from Chicago!
(The Truth Chicago, 26 May 2011 14:16)
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Yes, the world knows all about your Albanian drug and organ trafficking "heroes". You make them your leaders.
You have a point though, your support for these terrorists remains strong and united. Give yourself a pat on the back.
This is excellent news that has been long overdue. Congratulations to Tadic and Co for undertaking this mission and congratulations to Serbia for finally getting this weight off their backs. Let him stand trial and be accounted for the crimes weighed against him and let's move on.
(Mike, 26 May 2011 15:32)
I would like to echo those sentiments Mike. A good day for all.
and until Serbia recognizes Kosovo as an independent state, I dont think that Serbia's reputation will change. Sorry.
(ANTIGONA, 26 May 2011 18:58)
Keep on dreaming,it is NEVER going to happen,not even this traitor Tadic would try something like this,after this action he is finished anyway...
Next year there are elections...
seems like Mr.Tadic is trying to get into a better position in regard to EU-connection.
will probably also be of help in the k-albanian organ-trade-affair.
but actually, I´d like to answer a comment by some other user here
who wrote:
" war is not an event where you can can kill, torture and do what you want without future reprisals." ...well then, my dear, why aren´t the US-soldiers facing trials?
I think I do not have to list US-american war crimes here...
All the negative comments reminded me of a Daily show episode right after Osama's capture: John Stewart: So what, we shouldn't have arrested him?;)
Congrats to the President and citizens of Serbia, better late than never.
I would expect nothing less than an orgy of self righteousness and hateful headlines in the western corporate media for months, BEFORE NATO "suicide" him like they did President Milosevic, Mladic knows too much.
The quisling regime and Tadic will get a slap on the shoulder before things go back to stick & mace as usual somebody should also check Tadic account for blood money.
"truth chicago" wrote this: " love it. Today is going to be a great day for me. Im going to enjoy a nice plate of pancakes and think about how lovely it is that Serbia traded their war hero for EU membership:) Thats loyalty! Thats Serbian "strength" and "honor". Serbs will always turn on themselves as they historically have done. Kisses from Chicago!"
dude, seriously, what is wrong with you? why that animal-like hatred against the Serbs???
I mean, what the heck are you talking about? it was not THE Serbs who have extradited Mr.Mladic to foreign powers, but only a small group of traitors. I personally wouldn´t mind if the serb constitution allowed extradition of serb citizens, actually. but if not, Tadic and his comrades are simply violating the serbian constitution
you may eat your pancake and be happy, but be sure that your happiness is cheap. =)
you know, that cheapish attempt to provoke the Serbs or at least to show your sentiments actually is not of interest here.
as for strength and honor, you should not watch too much american movies, I guess.
better read history books, and you will learn about the glorious serbian history. the reasons why european scholars learned serbian, why the English, German and other elites once were quiet serbophile...
I know, for an Albanian it may be hard to face that, but for your souls sake, you should at least try it! =)
"It is unbelievable how for example the Serbs in Bosnia,despite that they are just one and half a million people fought and preserved themselves all alone!"
That's actually rather funny. A minority inherit one of the best equipped armies in Europe, and turn it against unarmed elements of the society they live in.
But when the remains of those unarmed elements fight back, the heroic Serbs collapse, requiring Milosevic to go begging to Clinton to save Banja Luka.
Horrible day for Serbia: surrender Mladic, surrender Kosovo, then surrender your currency. Neoliberalism and the impoverishment of Serbia is in full swing.
Tadic speaking as if he represents the Serbian people where we all know here that this is an absolute joke,
(Danijel, 26 May 2011 13:35)
Why, he does not represent the Serbian people ? I thought that Serbia was a great democratic country, much more than, say, Kosovo... !
When are we going to see punishment for Western leaders, be it Cinton, Bush or even Blair, for their disgraceful crimes against people.
(Danijel, 26 May 2011 13:35)
Any proof of the crimes ? In order to have a crime, you first have to indicate the law that prohibits a certain act (for example you have to say that according to article X of Law Y, and bla, bla, bla...). Second, you have to show that the act prohibited by the law was indeed committed as a matter of fact. Third you have to show that it was Cinton, Bush and/or Blair who committed the act. You did not show any of the three things above, so not sure what you were trying to say.
Why highduke ? because you are still flying high ?
Serbia arrected an indicted (alleged) criminal based on an arrest warrant issued by the ICTY which was created with the blessing of Russia, China, US, UK, and France for this purpose.
Serbia should know that more than anybody else because we have heard ad nauseam for years how Searbia is a great supporter of Security Council resolutions and international law... Don't you agree that there is nothing to shame about if you're just implementing international law ?
I would like to congratulate Sebia from Kosovo Albanian. There is nothing to say Serbia wants to have a chance in the world and this was a big obstetrical to get in EU. Serbia is moving forward lets do the same and Send the ones we have in Kosovo their way to Jail as well.
Cleaning house means for all of us. Then Finish this conflicts and move together towards EU.
Serbia should have arrested Ratko Mladić a long time ago for all the misery, mayhem, destruction and death he has caused. Ratko Mladić will stand trial his victims didn't.
Don't forget that Tadic gave Mladic a pension and retired him while he was minister of defense less than 10 years ago. Mladic was already wanted back than, but at the time it obviously didn't represent an ethical issue to Tadic to treat him as honorable officer.
resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada visiting Plymouth,Minnesota,USA
pre 12 godina
The Truth Chicago: While I admire your rejoicing that Ratko Mladic has been captured my only concerns are that why do you conclude with the statement "Kisses from Chicago" instead of "Greetings from Chicago"?,also,I'm curious as to why you nickname yourself "The Truth Chicago" instead of "The Truth from Chicago"? I'm sorry The Truth Chicago but I find your statement "Kisses from Chicago" and your nickname to be weird.
This is excellent news that has been long overdue. Congratulations to Tadic and Co for undertaking this mission and congratulations to Serbia for finally getting this weight off their backs. Let him stand trial and be accounted for the crimes weighed against him and let's move on.
How much of a coincidence is this 'sudden' arrest really? Merely two weeks after Washington guns down Bin Laden who also hid in Pakistan's heartland, Serbian authorities also 'happen' find Europe's most appalling and vicious criminal living in a quiet Serbian village hardly 100km from Belgrade! Now please don't tell me that Serbia wasn't an accomplice in making sure that he lead a comfortable and easy life in the last 16 years! Serbia has as many questions to answer about Ratko Mladic just like Pakistan needs to answer for Bin Laden.
His arrest brings no justice whatsoever to those who lost their beloved ones in Bosnia (etc) because the damage has already been done! You cannot return the dead back to life.... unfortunately.
Yet this guy will remain a hero in Serbia and Serbian politicians have made a very calculated move to arrest him at this specific moment! They did this not only to win more backing from Europe about its aspirations to join the EU but also to win sympathy during the negotiations with Kosova.
This is nothing but good news, and demonstrates again that Serbia is forward thinking and ready to put the interests of its people and future first. This should be no surprise; remember the risks they took in arresting Milosevic?
There are too many folks here getting paid to make obnoxious posts to stoke tension between the Serbs and Albanians. You are selling your souls!
No Zoran they can't, because the justice system works there even against their own soldiers. See example below:
(icj1, 26 May 2011 17:20)
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What example? A group of US soldiers rape a girl and then go bragging about it? It just goes to show the mentality of these soldiers thinking they can do anything after murdering civilians, torturing prisoners and committing war crimes unhindered. The mistake of this sicko (from his point of view) was not keeping his mouth shut because I'm pretty sure he would have got away with it otherwise. That is how it works with the US army.
So you cut a section of my post and what, you neglected the whole section on the Dasht-i-Leili massacre? Did you watch the documentary and hear how an eye witness counted 8000 prisoners? Did you read how the US was involved in this massacre? Did you read how both George Bush and Barak Obama have decided not to investigate this crime against the advice of International organisation including the Red Cross? Did you read how the mass grave sites have been tampered with and removed? How about the cover-up and how eye witnesses have been killed?
You see, that's the problem with people like you, Roberto and the land snatchers. You turn a blind eye to the very crimes committed by your side, be it in Afghanistan, Palestine, Iraq, KiM, Albania and other places around the world, but somehow try to preach to others about justice. That's why you, Roberto and the land snatchers have absolutely zero credibility.
So tell me, why hasn't the Dasht-i-Leili massacre been investigated? Why isn't anyone facing war crimes charges? Why has it been covered up? The US Srebrenica occurred but you guys turn a blind eye to it? Shameful!
BRANKO/UK said:
"What another bad deal for Serbia give Mladic up and you can join the UK/FRENCH/GERMAN corrupt EU club, thats bust.
Shame on Tadic...…..
(BRANKO/UK, 26 May 2011 16:49)"
Actually, no. Serbia only gave up Mladic to secure "EU candidate status". Actually joining the EU is a whole different story.
In order to join the EU, Serbia will have to recognize Kosovo, arrest Goran Hadzic, dismiss the annexation of the Republika Srpska, clean up their judicial and business laws, etc...
Once all this is taken care of, Serbia will be set to join the EU in 2055.
What about the thousands of civilian deaths all over S.America in the 70's, 80's? The Middle East? False-flag operations to create reasons for retaliation and imperialism? Some of the biggest war criminals are in the White House and always have been. When will they be tried at the Hague? I understand now.... When the Western private-bankers start a war somewhere its called 'spreading the wings of democracy' but when someone else does the same its inevitably called 'terrorism', 'cruelty' and such like terms. Those terms are often followed by 'US intervention' e.g. Egypt, Libya, Iraq.
What a world we live in!
Unfortunately Boris, that is not the world we live in. NATO and US soldiers can pretty much murder, torture and commit war crimes knowing they will get away with it.
(Zoran, 26 May 2011 13:57)
No Zoran they can't, because the justice system works there even against their own soldiers. See example below:
This guy would have been happy to go to the ICTY where he would have been sure to have his life spared. In the US he risked to get the death penalty and the prosecution asked for it. At the end he got a life sentence.
See also at the end of the article "the last U.S. soldier to be executed was hanged in 1961, and 135 people have been executed by the military since 1916". Show me stats from other countries and then we can speak.
All the negative comments reminded me of a Daily show episode right after Osama's capture: John Stewart: So what, we shouldn't have arrested him?;)
(Bojana, 26 May 2011 15:56)
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According to the official story, Osama wasn't arrested. He was unarmed, shot dead and then thrown into the sea. There is a difference between that and being arrested.
(Zoran, 26 May 2011 16:54)
Zoran, in this case you talk semantics-arrested/captured, if it pleases you. The point is what's important.
And if you want to talk official versions: Osama was killed because he was armed and presented danger to US soldiers. It would have been the same with Mladic, if he followed his idea of fighting till the end. Or maybe he mixed his pills that day...it happens
i am from EU and reckon that for instance i find the albanian or "illyrian" civilisation-culture (extremely egocentric, cruel and nationalistic) is far worse than the serb one - so clarify which civilised world - there are many different of them - muslim, hindu, budhist, christian, secular and many more, plus different currents inside them etc.
I love it. Today is going to be a great day for me. Im going to enjoy a nice plate of pancakes and think about how lovely it is that Serbia traded their war hero for EU membership:) Thats loyalty! Thats Serbian "strength" and "honor". Serbs will always turn on themselves as they historically have done. Kisses from Chicago!
(The Truth Chicago, 26 May 2011 14:16)
Oh dear, can't you just hear the bitterness beneath all that false jollity? This shows how much those Albos and their friends who were constantly whining about Mladic really cared about the principles involved - not at all, it would appear. What are you going to whine about tomorrow then, Goran Hadzic? And what are you going to trade for EU membership? There's not a lot in the cupboard: I reckon it'll take Thaci and half the KLA on organ harvesting charges before Brussels is even vaguely interested.
"Soon Serbia will be welcomed into the club of the most indebted nations and we will have to live up to our side of the deal - by taking out huge loans."
I don't know how the banking system works in Serbia, but up here, no one is pointing a gun at your head and forcing you to take out a loan.
Up here, it seems like the biggest danger to loan takers isn't gun, but mobile phones. People seems unable to resist the urge to send an SMS-text message and 10 minutes later having €200 in their bank account.
What another bad deal for Serbia give Mladic up and you can join the UK/FRENCH/GERMAN corrupt EU club, thats bust.
Serbia will have to follow the rule of do what we say, not do what we do.
None of the MEP's couldn't lie straight in bed.
Shame on Tadic............
@ MikeC
Izetbegovic was defending BiH (but he was no angel). Tudjman and Milosevic were attacking them. What would you do? Thaci will has his day in court. It's a pity that the rest didnt make it to stand trial. Almost all Yugoslavs involved in the fighting between 1990 and 2000 did something wrong yet none of them want to claim responsibility for their wrong doing. Why does the Hague have to hunt for these "heroes"?
My personal viewpoint is that Serbia has been held back by Mladic and is many hundreds of millions worth of Euros in development and economic terms behind other nations due to suspected war criminals like Mladic being free.
(bganon, 26 May 2011 13:46)
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I think what you really mean is that Serbia is hundreds of millions, in fact billions of Euros worth of loans behind other regional nations. Soon Serbia will be welcomed into the club of the most indebted nations and we will have to live up to our side of the deal - by taking out huge loans.
Business is business and if there is money to be made then why would someone like Mladic get in the way? The most likely scenario now is that Serbia is going to be accelerated into the group of PIIGS.
The US gave him immunity just like Karadzic but of course they won't admit it.
(Zoran, 26 May 2011 14:11)
ICTY has already ruled that US immunity, even if it existed, is nil. Nobody authorized US to issue immunities from international criminal law. Karadzic and Mladic must have had a very low IQ to believe that the immunity (if it existed) had any value...
I hope it's less politically-motivated than the last time. It needs to be kept in mind that the media claims about Bosnia turned out to be lies. Did the hundreds of thousands in mass graves ever materialize? To put it in context, the third "mass grave" of civilians ever found, was finally found last year, with less than 200. Very bad, but not worth killing however many thousands of Serbs, was it? No one said "Clinton lied, people died" did they? Milosevic died after 5 years in which the world court couldn't find sufficient evidence to bring him to trial. Habeas corpus is an important thing, isn't it, but it showed the absolute moral bankruptcy and political nature of the world court that they wouldn't release a person when they couldn't find enough evidence to actually bring him to trial. Then the EU wonders why few nations "recognize" the world court. Why would they? Politics is not justice.
all Muslims and ignorant Dhimmies feel to be in Heaven. by the way, wasn't it a Muslim who spilled first civilian blood of a Serb in Bosnia? what goes around comes around - Islam is a death ideology like Stalinism was - point!
(an european, 26 May 2011 14:02)
The first casualty in Bosnia and Herzegovina is a point of contention between Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs. Bosniaks and Croats consider the first casualties of the war after the independence declaration to be Suada Dilberović and Olga Sučić, who were shot during a peace march by unidentified Serb gunmen on April 5 in a Holiday Inn hotel under the control of the Serbian Democratic Party. Serbs consider Nikola Gardović, a groom's father who was killed at a Serb wedding procession on the second day of the referendum, on March 1, 1992 in Sarajevo's old town Baščaršija, to be the first victim of the war. On September 19, 1991, the Yugoslav People's Army (JNA) moved extra troops to the area around the city of Mostar, which was publicly protested by the local government. On October 13, 1991 future president of Republika Srpska, Radovan Karadžić expressed his view about future of Bosnia and Bosnian Muslims: "In just a couple of days, Sarajevo will be gone and there will be five hundred thousand dead, in one month Muslims will be annihilated in Bosnia and Herzegovina" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/6452035/Karadzic-war-crimes-trial-Phone-conversation-played-out.html .
That's something both Serbian and Albanian nationalists didn't want to happen. Well, men and women of yesterday, here we are. You can weep till the end of days.
Mladic was already wanted back than, but at the time it obviously didn't represent an ethical issue to Tadic to treat him as honorable officer.
(remember, 26 May 2011 13:48)
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Mladic was having regular meetings with NATO generals in BiH for a while after being indicted. The US gave him immunity just like Karadzic but of course they won't admit it.
To Zoran: I think what The Truth Chicago is referring to, are those several instances in Serbia's history like the betrayal of Karadorde (Milos Obrenovic betrayed him didn't he?) or perhaps the betrayal of Draza Mihajlovic (Serbian communists in this case), or the more rescent (I mean historically rescent) cases of Aleksandar Rankovic or Slobodan Milosevic etc.
But I think this is not the time to bring those things up. I for one am really pleased that Serbia is starting to look to the future for the benefit of all in the Balkans.
"Albanians do seem to have something Serbs want otherwise there wouldn't be this whole "Kosovo IS Serbia" rhetoric."
RSA
Kosovo is already Serbian so it not something we want but something we already own. All Serbian churches and monasteries in Kosovo date back to the 13th centurey which is overwhelming proof who Kosovo belong to. So, when I said albanians don't have anything anyone want I ment that.
All the negative comments reminded me of a Daily show episode right after Osama's capture: John Stewart: So what, we shouldn't have arrested him?;)
(Bojana, 26 May 2011 15:56)
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According to the official story, Osama wasn't arrested. He was unarmed, shot dead and then thrown into the sea. There is a difference between that and being arrested.
This has to be the sadest day for all Serbian enemies..with this chapter closed sky is the limit for Serbia..
And at the end of his speech Tadic did reminded all-organ snatchers are next..
Ooohhhh what a surprise! Ok, now that these 16 years of intense diplomatic efforts gave birth to the little mouse, we can all hope in a better future where ALL the War criminals go to jail? Where the countries won't be hostages of these people any more like Serbia was? Wake up people!
"Mladic was having regular meetings with NATO generals in BiH for a while after being indicted. The US gave him immunity just like Karadzic but of course they won't admit it.
Zoran"
Zoran, in this case you talk semantics-arrested/captured, if it pleases you. The point is what's important.
And if you want to talk official versions: Osama was killed because he was armed and presented danger to US soldiers. It would have been the same with Mladic, if he followed his idea of fighting till the end. Or maybe he mixed his pills that day...it happens
(Bojana, 26 May 2011 18:23)
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No Bojana, the official version is that he was not armed. Check
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8489658/Osama-bin-Laden-was-not-armed-and-did-not-use-wife-as-human-shield.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/03/MNNC1JBH24.DTL
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/03/us-binladen-shootout-idUSTRE7425U020110503
So instead of:
John Stewart: So what, we shouldn't have arrested him?
It should be:
John Stewart: So what, we shouldn't have shot an unarmed person and thrown him into the sea?
And the answer is no, we should have captured him and allowed him to tell the truth to the world just as I hope Mladic will now do.
However, I suspect that certain powers (no prizes for guessing who) will continue to distort the truth and spin things the way they want. No one should be scared of the truth except for those hiding behind it.
First of all, I'm happy that he has been caught before his death. Now he will spend the rest of his life in jail. Nevertheless, I must say that I want to hear more about how he could hide and why has been found just now when it was getting very ugly for Tadic's foreign but also internal policy.
Well,i think that this is best proof that Serbia doesn't have it's own way of thinking,but instead of that we can only do something if EU tells us so.This is the same thing like with fake azilants,we started to fix that problem when EU told us that we will lose white shengen,and in case of Mladic we arrested him when they told us that our EU future is questionable.Sad but true...
But I think this is not the time to bring those things up. I for one am really pleased that Serbia is starting to look to the future for the benefit of all in the Balkans.
God bless ...
(SiriusBlack, 26 May 2011 15:50)
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You mean Serbia has always been torn between the east and west, with both players dividing our people? Where are we now though? With Serbia currently occupied by western forces we have Tadic in a similar position as Nedic (when under NAZI occupation).
As Sv Sava said:
"At first we were confused. The East thought that we were West, while the West considered us to be East. Some of us misunderstood our place in the clash of currents, so they cried that we belong to neither side, and others that we belong exlusively to one side or the other. But I tell you, Ireneus, we are doomed by fate to be the East in the West and the West in the East, to acknowledge only heavenly Jerusalem beyond us, and here on earth--no one".
- How would you know they gave him immunity?
(metrod, 26 May 2011 17:57)
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That's what was being reported at the time and the State Dept. didn't refute it. They asked that both Mladic and Karadzic disappear out of the public light, which they did, and it was reported they would receive immunity.
There are many reports about this on the internet so search if you please. Check this http://europeancourier.org/test/2010/12/10/sacirbey-ratko-mladic-is-in-serbia/
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Mladic and Karadzic continue freely moving throughout BiH. Karadzic is candidate,(1996),for office,(also in violation of Dayton Accords as he is indicted by ICTY). Pursuant to “negotiations” led by Holbrooke,evidence strongly suggests that Karadzic is afforded effective immunity from arrest as long as Karadzic withdraws as candidate,(already a budding embarrassment to US and European states). Mladic is also probably afforded such immunity,as both agree to maintain a lower profile.
The decision came due to the poor condition of the suspect's physical and mental health, said reports.
Mladić's lawyer Miloš Šaljić stated for the media that Dilparić attempted to interview Mladić, but that he failed due to the former general's inability to communicate.
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So it looks like the reports of a stroke are true? How is this going to help his case if he can't stand trial? Based on statements from Tadic and Dodik, it looks like Thaci and his gang plus some war criminals from BiH are next in line. Is the deal that an incapacitated Mladic gets arrested so that Thaci, Atif Dudaković, Naser Orić and other high political officials go on trial also? Lets wait and see.
A sad day for Serbia, A very happy day for the civilized world.
(The Count of Kosova, 26 May 2011 21:39)
Oh Lord of the Dance which is the civilised part? Is it the one that killed 10 000 of your Albanians during the bombardment of Kosovo in 1999 or perhaps the killing of 200 000 Iraqis during the last invasion of that country or perhaps the most recent killings in Libya? What a charming civlised world you uphold, but then you are an Albanian and we expect little better from you.
"It is unbelievable how for example the Serbs in Bosnia,despite that they are just one and half a million people fought and preserved themselves all alone!"
That's actually rather funny. A minority inherit one of the best equipped armies in Europe, and turn it against unarmed elements of the society they live in.
But when the remains of those unarmed elements fight back, the heroic Serbs collapse, requiring Milosevic to go begging to Clinton to save Banja Luka.
(Renko, 26 May 2011 23:27)
How wonderful to see that you were at the negotiating table with Clinton and Milosevic.
If those so called unarmed elements had their way they would have taken all of Bosnia under their control, but you see it was only after agreement that the Serbs withdrew to the lines we have today not because the Bosniaks “fought back”. You guys were too busy killing your Croat allies who stabbed you in the back at your weakest point LOL.
You have to admit that we Serbs are a superior people and stood up to the mightiest of windbags, the US, and now hold 50% of Bosnia and get what we want at the drop of a hat; ask Ashton why she was in Banja Luka recently.
We begged no one, but you Bosnaiks, Croat, Albanians had to hold onto mother’s dress like you did in WW2 – always good at beating someone with their hands tied behind their backs, but this time the Serbs did not give you this advantage and wiped you clean.
What exactly was Mladic "protecting"? BiH seemed pretty peaceful before the Bosnian Serb army started firing their weapons.
Albanians do seem to have something Serbs want otherwise there wouldn't be this whole "Kosovo IS Serbia" rhetoric.
(RSA, 26 May 2011 20:06)
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Peaceful? Who fired the first shot?
You don't seem to know very much.
I'm a serb and I'm proud of that. Reading all this comments shows you how many people different nacions are addicted to hate. This make you worst than Mladic hero or evil only he knows. But beside that I'm not sure but comments telling me that most of commentors didn't read one book in their lifes. Let me give you example and facts for all those uneducated.
Civilazation of humans started with eating food with knife and fork not with a hands and that happend where firs guess Serbia. I do not want to mention Tesla he was also Serb and for all who hate us let us hate more every time when they switch ligts on. We know from where our roots coming from but for rest of commentors I can not say they know. My advice to all who hate us, hate make you worst than Mladic guilty or not. All of you are affected with inferiority complex and you should seek proffesional help.
Mladic heroj! Serbia,Russia with you!
Serbia, Russians are with you! Milosevic and Mladic - heroes of Slavs! Serbs, throw away the NATO yoke!
Kосово - это Сербия!Kosovo - je Serbia!Kosovo - it is Serbia!
Please Serbs from Serbia,WAKE UP for heavens sake,quit with your anationalist Yugoloving mentality,quit of pacifism and start behaving like honourous people,not like scoundrels looking to sell each and everything from the household!
This kind of behaviour WILL NOT BRING YOU ANY PROSPERITY!
Zivio General Ratko Mladic
(CG, 26 May 2011 18:38)
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I agree with EVERYTHING you wrote.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for those words.
Please Serbs from Serbia,WAKE UP for heavens sake,quit with your anationalist Yugoloving mentality,quit of pacifism and start behaving like honourous people,not like scoundrels looking to sell each and everything from the household!
This kind of behaviour WILL NOT BRING YOU ANY PROSPERITY!
Zivio General Ratko Mladic
(CG, 26 May 2011 18:38)
Why do some Serbs still consider this guy a hero, I never know. He was an evil man, one of the many evil warlords who inflicted death, misery and destruction on the Yugoslav people (I include Thaci, Izetbegovic, Tudjman, Karadzic and Slobo) . He held Serbia back and will now face a judge to answer for his crimes. However I would not send him to the Hague. I would try him in a neutral country and invite all those who suffered because of him to come to the court and give their testimony.
One thing for sure, when the dust settles, Hash and Oric are next.
The extreme nationalists here (Serb, Albanian, Croat) are all as bad as each other. What we need now is peace and reconciliation. With Mladic caught, I hope we can all finally acknowledge our past sins and move on. Enough is enough.
I live in the country which stopped war in Bosnia,USA.
Judging by the comments of majority,hatred and nationalism still prevail and will be there for years to come.
In my opinion none of the parties should receive any help from USA,not now and never.Serbs,Croats and Muslims should find solutions by themselves.
It is amazing how many new commentators have found this site today and how many lies have been repeated to maintain false images of a history that had to written a certain way and that at all costs cannot be changed, but that will be over time. Thank you General Ratko Mladic for saving the lives of many Serbs and many Serbs feel disgusted by your cheap betrayal from a government that will face a certain humiliating defeat. You are a tragic hero who, like all humans, made some mistakes, but who, when the patriotic duty called, took on a huge responsibility and burden.
What example? A group of US soldiers rape a girl and then go bragging about it? It just goes to show the mentality of these soldiers thinking they can do anything after murdering civilians, torturing prisoners and committing war crimes unhindered.
(Zoran, 26 May 2011 18:19)
Exactly, and he got a life sentence for his "mentality"(and risked death penalty - Mladic is lucky; the max he can get at ICTY is life sentence, even though what he allegedly did is much more sick).
Anyway, what you said that "US soldiers can pretty much murder, torture and commit war crimes knowing they will get away with it" is false as this example and the stats for US showed. Sorry that you can't vent your anger in that direction.
If you want to say the many Serb, Croat, Kosovar, Bosniak, etc, soldiers committed these sick acts and got away with it, you may have a point there. But, at least, the alleged masterminds are not escaping justice.
after all the yrs Mladich has dementia. what will they do with him now, he is probably thinking the bosnian muslim ss that killed his family in 1942 has captured him
I just hope there is a God who can judge him and give him the sentence he deserves when he dies in a few years or even months.
(Demi, 26 May 2011 23:14)
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Demi, the same God is going to judge all of us, including you and your beloved Thaci and his merry men.
As for the part how Serbs are bad people, most of the world would disagree with you on that one.
The world is not stupid and your lot leads the way in bad.
So another serb "hero" hiding under a different name is caught and put in front of justice.
I wonder why him and Karadzic were hiding if they were claiming that they were innocent. If someone is innocent he wouldn't hide but this clearly shows that they are as guilty as they can be.
(Montenegrin, 26 May 2011 19:01)
Probably more to do with the fact that The hague has been proven a corrupted court (see: Rade Markovic testimony at Milosevic Trial).
Finally, Today a man who killed over 800,000 In the Rwandan Genocide was also arrested, but he has been mostly Ignored. He killed 100x more then Mladic is alledged to have killed, outside the Balkans at least should'nt he be the headline maker?
"Now Serbia just have to capture Goran Hadzic and recognize the independence of Kosovo to get candidae status for EU. Let's see how fast this will happend. I hope not 16 years like with Mladic case."
Did you just return from the other end of the galaxy or what? When was recognizing Kosovo's UDI a condition for EU entry? And I didn't know that the EU (Holland to be more precise) ever stated this Hadzic to be a condition. By the way, I still don't think its wise for Serbia to enter the EU and become another lackey of London, Paris and Berlin.
"But good to see that Serbia is listening to their master EU and US and send their ''hero'' to jail!!
(Demi, 26 May 2011 14:07) "
Gosh, you mean Belgrade actually share the same master as "Kosova"???? My, wonders never cease! Actually you sounded like that classic pot calling the kettle black here!
Finally, Today a man who killed over 800,000 In the Rwandan Genocide was also arrested, but he has been mostly Ignored. He killed 100x more then Mladic is alledged to have killed, outside the Balkans at least should'nt he be the headline maker?
(New Zealander, 27 May 2011 09:22)
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Well, you know that US ally General Rashid Dostum is still free and part of the US sponsored Afghan government? He was, along with US and UK military personnel, responsible for the US Srebrenica where thousands of Afghani prisoners were murdered in the Dasht-i-Leili desert. It is interesting to note that the Western media coverage has generally remained mute but there is a trickle of articles out there. Here is another one -> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/sep/14/afghanistan.lukeharding
No one here holds the moral high ground as all parties have committed crimes when engaged in conflict, be it the US, UK, Albanians, Israelis, Serbians, Bosnian Muslims, Croatians and so on. Everyone is guilty but all justify their position.
For those watching/reading non-Western media, such as RT (Russia Today), you can see Serbia being painted in a positive light and that the West is rightfully blamed for starting the wars in the Balkans. Serbians are well supported in the non-Western world and although the west attempts to paint Serbians in a bad light, the rest of the world knows who the real evil doers are.
Mladic is a sickly man both physically and mentally and I doubt he will live much longer. I expect he will get better treatment for his condition in the Hague if he ever gets there.
How many supporters Mladic (had) has, one can see this from the posters in this forum.
Therefore, I consider my self right when I say: THERE IS A LOT TO BE DONE, before the peace would come.
Serbia, it's obvious, could not effort good medical care for his "hero" and therefore they agreed to send him to Hague, at least he will have (unfortunately) excellent medical care.
And the time was right, in 2 weeks tribunal will read his report (negative report on Serbia cooperation with the tribunal), so arrest of Mladic can have positive affect in this report.
There are continues attempts for Serbia to join EU and this might assist Serbia on this path.
What is wrong in here:
Serbia was claiming, Mladic is not in Serbia, he is well protected by his own military personnel, riots will happen etc etc.
As we see, ALL OF THIS WAS NOTHING BUT LIE...
And, what is surprising me mostly, we see now notes "Mladic is hero"...
My god!!!...
But knowing the past and considering above, I should NOT be surprised.
For some, he will be considered so, for the others NO. For me NOOOOO...
If he will be considered hero, one should explain to me, what should the history book say about him and how should this be perceived by the family of victims?!!!
And also, how to live together if some will consider this sick killer as a hero?!!!
He can avoid the justice, he can hide but ONE HE CAN NOT:
The justice of GOD he will have to meet.
And if you take good look of him, you will see, this justice has already started.
For this, I am praying every day and night and I will continue doing that until I die...
Hard to believer that he could hide in the house of a relative. Shouldn't relatives be the first ones to be checked thoroughly by the police for hiding an alleged criminal?
(Top, 26 May 2011 20:02)
You always seemed too smart to make a comment such as this. Do you really believe that they have been "thoroughly" searching for him all this time?
Note the timing after the report of the Hague prosecutor is bad and Serbia is notified that in order for candidate status to be granted this year he had to be arrested. Kind of what you call being between a rock and a hard place. Inorder to secure what has been promised the DS had to give him up or lose power.
I would also bet that his health has deteriorated to the point where he will be unable to stand trial, note the witness that said he helped him dress.
Oh man this is a disgrace leave the guy alone the west wanting him so could join the EU...The EU is full of corruption and debt ridden..They will suck the nation dry of resource an so on... The Serbs should just wake up to themselves and start trading with non EU members, trust me they need u more than what u need them simple fact of truth.. Do not give into IMF, EU demands its road to hell along with financiers and global bankers...Wake up and rise live with in your means ... Get rid of these political barons who end up being wealthy with blood money
So, are not the many enlisted men in rank and order all responsible, up to the general, then? Mladic didnt single handedly execute thousands of people, drive all the trucks loaded with the bodies, dig the numerous mass graves, and dump them in and cover the bodies with dirt. Serbian society as a whole has lots of blood on their hands. There are people all over Serbia that participated in some way in these horrific killings.
Hard to believer that he could hide in the house of a relative. Shouldn't relatives be the first ones to be checked thoroughly by the police for hiding an alleged criminal?
Mladic did not recognize the Hague Tribunal - but he was unable to communicate. ))) Anyway: I'm glad that Mladic is arrested and that Serbia isn't his hostage anymore. I wish him a fair trial and a very long life.
For Mladic arrest is a bittersweet news.
He is old and sick now he needs more care and Hague will be able to provide care and secure his safety.Even his family will be able to visit him more often than before,he enjoyed life last 16 years so probably he gave the green light to Boris Tadic to arrest him now since we all know Tadic was protecting him.
If those "Butchers" are Christians ,I am not a Christian !!!
First The Nazi Genocide of the Jews and now Genocide of the Muslims !!!
Also I admit Iraq War is a Genocide againts Iraqis !
All of those so called Christians are Disgraces of Humanity
DISGRACES OF HUMANITY.
He was really in Serbia after all ..... I had previously hypothesized that he might be somewhere else or even dead. This guy doesn't seem very smart, or maybe its overconfidence -- would have expected him to be in some disguise. But no, he's quite easily identifiable from that photo of him today.
What will happen if he is found to be medically unfit to stand trial?
Why do some Serbs still consider this guy a hero, I never know.
(Janez-Beograd, 27 May 2011 12:11)
I think its because of the hundreds of thousands he saved in Operation Korridor; the majority of Mladic supporters consider him no different to winston churchill, also a mass murderer (dresden bombings), but he's saved so many; so I see where they're coming from (that combined with the political nature of the hague) .
That's what was being reported at the time and the State Dept. didn't refute it. They asked that both Mladic and Karadzic disappear out of the public light, which they did, and it was reported they would receive immunity.
There are many reports about this on the internet so search if you please. Check this [link]/
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Mladic and Karadzic continue freely moving throughout BiH. Karadzic is candidate,(1996),for office,(also in violation of Dayton Accords as he is indicted by ICTY). Pursuant to “negotiations” led by Holbrooke,evidence strongly suggests that Karadzic is afforded effective immunity from arrest as long as Karadzic withdraws as candidate,(already a budding embarrassment to US and European states). Mladic is also probably afforded such immunity,as both agree to maintain a lower profile.
(Zoran, 26 May 2011 21:16)
Dude, it does not take a PhD in Law to understand that in order to have immunity from ICTY, that immunity has to be issued by ICTY or by it's parent body, the Security Council.
Did ICTY issue an immunity for Karadzic or Mladic ? No
Did the Security Council issue an immunity for Karadzic or Mladic ? No
Then, not sure what we are discussing about. Let assume it is true: US did give immunity to Karadzic or Mladic. The latter must have been very ignorant to not ask Holbrook whether ICTY or the Security Council authorized him to give them immunity :)
'The Truth Chicago' needs to get their computer taken away from them. its different to post one, two, maybe three comments. but you repeatedly post nonsense, serb bashing, albanian crap. get a life!
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