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Sunday, 22.05.2011.

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Belgrade, Priština must discuss status, minister says

Belgrade and Priština must discuss Kosovo status because both Serbs and Albanians are burdened by the issue, said Serbia's Minister for Kosovo Goran Bogdanović.

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The Count of Kosova

pre 12 godina

Thought of a New Solution and just wondering what each side thinks of it. Here it is

Make Southern Kosovo and Presovo a Republic Within Serbia, with Virtual inidependence, that includesc UN membership (similar to the Ukrainian SSR model). This republic has the ability to Veto descisions by the Central Serbian government, effectively meaning they're living in their own state.
(New Zealander, 23 May 2011 08:56)

New Zealander,

This is what the Kosovar Albanians asked for thirty years ago, however, all bets are off now since Kosova is already Independent and Preseva Valley will soon be. If you haven't noticed down under, the Albanians want nothing to do with Serbia.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

There goes another one. Why do you still beleive 1999 Propoganda?
(New Zealander,
===============================

Because his side (Albanians) started the propaganda and that's all they have.

Keep the Faith

pre 12 godina

I disagree with Bogdanović, status should NOT be discussed.
Keeping Kosovo impoverished and under developed is the way to go.

Everyone knows that Kosovo independence is a joke.
It has a 60% unemployment rate and its biggest "legitimate" export is scrap metal.
It is an under developed criminal black hole that cannot even afford to pay its so called, embassy staff.

In the mean time, Serbia is raking in the cash from all the over priced goods it imports to Kosovo, without the burden of rebuilding and supporting its shattered narco economy.
We'll leave that job to NATO and the EU

Keeping Kosovo underdeveloped should be Serbias primary goal.
Let the unemployed and starving albanians sing, dance and wave their phoney flag.
The rest of the world knows the "reality" And Serbs are laughing all the way to the bank :-)

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

Thought of a New Solution and just wondering what each side thinks of it. Here it is

Make Southern Kosovo and Presovo a Republic Within Serbia, with Virtual inidependence, that includesc UN membership (similar to the Ukrainian SSR model). This republic has the ability to Veto descisions by the Central Serbian government, effectively meaning they're living in their own state.

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

one of the biggest problems involves the mass burnings: the industrialized burning of albanians by serb forces at trepca, mackatica and probably other sites in s serbia. when you burn bodies at such extremely high temperatures, you end up with lots of ash, and no traces of dna. so the proof of such atrocities becomes highly problematic. not impossible -- every crime leaves traces. but highly problematic.

tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 22 May 2011 19:56)

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jun2002/trep-j28.shtml

There goes another one. Why do you still beleive 1999 Propoganda?

pss

pre 12 godina

The license plate issue is just another example of Pristina trying to create trouble and tension, just for the sake of showing their 'independence'
(Analyst, 22 May 2011 17:43)
Or another intentional provocation from Belgrade, considering that if Belgrade were true supporters of 1244, they would know that they have no jurisdiction to issue license plates for Kosovo.

roberto

pre 12 godina

--"No one can forbid us from putting new license plates with initials of towns in Kosovo on our cars, and if someone in Priština wants to confiscate those plates and personal documents in order to create tension and discourage us from fighting to keep Kosovo in Serbia, they will not succeed," the minister said.

Bogdanović announced that the next round of dialogue would focus on missing and kidnapped persons from Kosovo.--

mr bogdanovic appears to believe that belgrade still controls its ex- colony -- news flash -- you don't. but back to the good old days of your beloved slobodan milosevic...

as to the other point, the missing and kidnapped of Kosova -- as far as know, we are still missing over 1700 persons, at least acc. to hlc figures. there are over 1,000 ethnic albanians still unaccounted for, up to 500 serbs (acc to kandic) and others.

so these people, or their bodies, had to go somewhere. we do know that the bodies of 1000's of albanians were found all over kosovo during and after the war (murdered by serb forces and willing collaborators), and over 870 were uncovered in mass graves inside serbia, in graves exhumed in 2001, mainly in or near police grounds. (what a coincidence) but that still leaves a LOT of people unaccounted for.

one of the biggest problems involves the mass burnings: the industrialized burning of albanians by serb forces at trepca, mackatica and probably other sites in s serbia. when you burn bodies at such extremely high temperatures, you end up with lots of ash, and no traces of dna. so the proof of such atrocities becomes highly problematic. not impossible -- every crime leaves traces. but highly problematic.

still i'm glad that these subjects will be discussed -- they have to be! late as it is.

also we still have the mass gravesite down at raska, which serbian authorities are continuing to keep covered up. i do hope all of these topics will be brought up.

it is clear that members of all enthnicities lost loved ones, and it is disgusting that these matters are always politicized.

as for the marty SMEAR report and all the pretenses of "organ trafficking" by kla, ad nauseum, the belgrade regime will continue to try to make maximal use of it, simply in order to try to strengthen its position and relativize war crimes.

the old curse -- we live in interesting times...

tung. roberto frisco

bganon

pre 12 godina

Ian 'they're not negotiations aimed at solving the dispute'.

In name they are not, but it would be naieve to think that issues relating to status are not part of the discussion. Most issues that affect Kosovo concern status, whether its economy and trade, international recognition, security, tax etc.

I don't see any benefit in shutting ones eyes and singing loudly pretending that things will be fine without such discussions.

Demi I find discussions about the Kosovo and Serbian consitututions another completely irrelevent diversion. Why is it that Dacic or latterly Tadic can move away from the line in the constitution? As I've said previously the constiution serves the people, the people do not serve the constitution.

I recently visited Albania and what shocked me is how much they have put behind the past, moved forward and developed. Most Albanians couldn't care less about Kosovo and its a bitter irony for both Kosovo Albanians and Serbs that Albania has left Kosovo / Serbia behind in many respects. Only 20 or so years ago cars would be crashing into each other in central Tirana because of lack of street lighting causing people in cars to honk their horns non stop. Back then visitors from Jugoslavija would thank their lucky stars for the development in Jugoslavija and return with joy. These days in central Tirana Serbs will scratch their heads wondering what happened and Kosovo Albanians will be wanting not to return to Kosovo at all.

But hey lets waste more time and carry on bickering about Kosovo for another 10 years. Serbia can ensure that Kosovo doesn't develop as it should and Kosovo can remain a thorn in Serbia's side.

Thats what you call regional co-operation...

Analyst

pre 12 godina

The license plate issue is just another example of Pristina trying to create trouble and tension, just for the sake of showing their 'independence'

ivan

pre 12 godina

Time goes forward not backward. Kosovo became independent in 2008, this is 2011. Remember Rambouillet, Ivanovicu, that was your chance and you Serbs didn't take it seriously, now stop crying

Demi

pre 12 godina

Well this minister should know that we in Kosovo dosent respect the constitution of Serbia wich sayes Kosovo is Serbian territory. We respect the constituion of Kosovo wich sayes Kosovo is independent.

Does he really belive that we should talk about status when he sayes he will not back down from what the Serbian constituion tells him ? What is it to talk about then ? Maybee he belives that we albanians will back down from our independence for the sake of Serbia and its constituion.


And about your so called licenece plates we will see what happends. Kosovo is functional and will prohbit those in the territory of Kosovo. What will you do minister then ? Send the serbian army to Kosovo for another 'Operation Horseshoe'??

DX

pre 12 godina

Serbia should protect its citizens. Taking away serbian licence plates is very dangerous, i am sure that Eulex knows that, they will probably put presure on Kosovo goverment again.

KOSO

pre 12 godina

"No one can forbid us from putting new license plates with initials of towns in Kosovo"

We can, we have, and we will. Welcome to the 21 century!


Thanks,

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

No they don't, you just want them to; so that Belgrade can do some sort of publicity stunt. Besides these are technical negotiations aimed at improving the lives of the people in the region, they're not negotiations aimed at solving the dispute.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

No they don't, you just want them to; so that Belgrade can do some sort of publicity stunt. Besides these are technical negotiations aimed at improving the lives of the people in the region, they're not negotiations aimed at solving the dispute.

Demi

pre 12 godina

Well this minister should know that we in Kosovo dosent respect the constitution of Serbia wich sayes Kosovo is Serbian territory. We respect the constituion of Kosovo wich sayes Kosovo is independent.

Does he really belive that we should talk about status when he sayes he will not back down from what the Serbian constituion tells him ? What is it to talk about then ? Maybee he belives that we albanians will back down from our independence for the sake of Serbia and its constituion.


And about your so called licenece plates we will see what happends. Kosovo is functional and will prohbit those in the territory of Kosovo. What will you do minister then ? Send the serbian army to Kosovo for another 'Operation Horseshoe'??

KOSO

pre 12 godina

"No one can forbid us from putting new license plates with initials of towns in Kosovo"

We can, we have, and we will. Welcome to the 21 century!


Thanks,

ivan

pre 12 godina

Time goes forward not backward. Kosovo became independent in 2008, this is 2011. Remember Rambouillet, Ivanovicu, that was your chance and you Serbs didn't take it seriously, now stop crying

Analyst

pre 12 godina

The license plate issue is just another example of Pristina trying to create trouble and tension, just for the sake of showing their 'independence'

roberto

pre 12 godina

--"No one can forbid us from putting new license plates with initials of towns in Kosovo on our cars, and if someone in Priština wants to confiscate those plates and personal documents in order to create tension and discourage us from fighting to keep Kosovo in Serbia, they will not succeed," the minister said.

Bogdanović announced that the next round of dialogue would focus on missing and kidnapped persons from Kosovo.--

mr bogdanovic appears to believe that belgrade still controls its ex- colony -- news flash -- you don't. but back to the good old days of your beloved slobodan milosevic...

as to the other point, the missing and kidnapped of Kosova -- as far as know, we are still missing over 1700 persons, at least acc. to hlc figures. there are over 1,000 ethnic albanians still unaccounted for, up to 500 serbs (acc to kandic) and others.

so these people, or their bodies, had to go somewhere. we do know that the bodies of 1000's of albanians were found all over kosovo during and after the war (murdered by serb forces and willing collaborators), and over 870 were uncovered in mass graves inside serbia, in graves exhumed in 2001, mainly in or near police grounds. (what a coincidence) but that still leaves a LOT of people unaccounted for.

one of the biggest problems involves the mass burnings: the industrialized burning of albanians by serb forces at trepca, mackatica and probably other sites in s serbia. when you burn bodies at such extremely high temperatures, you end up with lots of ash, and no traces of dna. so the proof of such atrocities becomes highly problematic. not impossible -- every crime leaves traces. but highly problematic.

still i'm glad that these subjects will be discussed -- they have to be! late as it is.

also we still have the mass gravesite down at raska, which serbian authorities are continuing to keep covered up. i do hope all of these topics will be brought up.

it is clear that members of all enthnicities lost loved ones, and it is disgusting that these matters are always politicized.

as for the marty SMEAR report and all the pretenses of "organ trafficking" by kla, ad nauseum, the belgrade regime will continue to try to make maximal use of it, simply in order to try to strengthen its position and relativize war crimes.

the old curse -- we live in interesting times...

tung. roberto frisco

pss

pre 12 godina

The license plate issue is just another example of Pristina trying to create trouble and tension, just for the sake of showing their 'independence'
(Analyst, 22 May 2011 17:43)
Or another intentional provocation from Belgrade, considering that if Belgrade were true supporters of 1244, they would know that they have no jurisdiction to issue license plates for Kosovo.

DX

pre 12 godina

Serbia should protect its citizens. Taking away serbian licence plates is very dangerous, i am sure that Eulex knows that, they will probably put presure on Kosovo goverment again.

The Count of Kosova

pre 12 godina

Thought of a New Solution and just wondering what each side thinks of it. Here it is

Make Southern Kosovo and Presovo a Republic Within Serbia, with Virtual inidependence, that includesc UN membership (similar to the Ukrainian SSR model). This republic has the ability to Veto descisions by the Central Serbian government, effectively meaning they're living in their own state.
(New Zealander, 23 May 2011 08:56)

New Zealander,

This is what the Kosovar Albanians asked for thirty years ago, however, all bets are off now since Kosova is already Independent and Preseva Valley will soon be. If you haven't noticed down under, the Albanians want nothing to do with Serbia.

bganon

pre 12 godina

Ian 'they're not negotiations aimed at solving the dispute'.

In name they are not, but it would be naieve to think that issues relating to status are not part of the discussion. Most issues that affect Kosovo concern status, whether its economy and trade, international recognition, security, tax etc.

I don't see any benefit in shutting ones eyes and singing loudly pretending that things will be fine without such discussions.

Demi I find discussions about the Kosovo and Serbian consitututions another completely irrelevent diversion. Why is it that Dacic or latterly Tadic can move away from the line in the constitution? As I've said previously the constiution serves the people, the people do not serve the constitution.

I recently visited Albania and what shocked me is how much they have put behind the past, moved forward and developed. Most Albanians couldn't care less about Kosovo and its a bitter irony for both Kosovo Albanians and Serbs that Albania has left Kosovo / Serbia behind in many respects. Only 20 or so years ago cars would be crashing into each other in central Tirana because of lack of street lighting causing people in cars to honk their horns non stop. Back then visitors from Jugoslavija would thank their lucky stars for the development in Jugoslavija and return with joy. These days in central Tirana Serbs will scratch their heads wondering what happened and Kosovo Albanians will be wanting not to return to Kosovo at all.

But hey lets waste more time and carry on bickering about Kosovo for another 10 years. Serbia can ensure that Kosovo doesn't develop as it should and Kosovo can remain a thorn in Serbia's side.

Thats what you call regional co-operation...

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

one of the biggest problems involves the mass burnings: the industrialized burning of albanians by serb forces at trepca, mackatica and probably other sites in s serbia. when you burn bodies at such extremely high temperatures, you end up with lots of ash, and no traces of dna. so the proof of such atrocities becomes highly problematic. not impossible -- every crime leaves traces. but highly problematic.

tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 22 May 2011 19:56)

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jun2002/trep-j28.shtml

There goes another one. Why do you still beleive 1999 Propoganda?

Keep the Faith

pre 12 godina

I disagree with Bogdanović, status should NOT be discussed.
Keeping Kosovo impoverished and under developed is the way to go.

Everyone knows that Kosovo independence is a joke.
It has a 60% unemployment rate and its biggest "legitimate" export is scrap metal.
It is an under developed criminal black hole that cannot even afford to pay its so called, embassy staff.

In the mean time, Serbia is raking in the cash from all the over priced goods it imports to Kosovo, without the burden of rebuilding and supporting its shattered narco economy.
We'll leave that job to NATO and the EU

Keeping Kosovo underdeveloped should be Serbias primary goal.
Let the unemployed and starving albanians sing, dance and wave their phoney flag.
The rest of the world knows the "reality" And Serbs are laughing all the way to the bank :-)

Peggy

pre 12 godina

There goes another one. Why do you still beleive 1999 Propoganda?
(New Zealander,
===============================

Because his side (Albanians) started the propaganda and that's all they have.

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

Thought of a New Solution and just wondering what each side thinks of it. Here it is

Make Southern Kosovo and Presovo a Republic Within Serbia, with Virtual inidependence, that includesc UN membership (similar to the Ukrainian SSR model). This republic has the ability to Veto descisions by the Central Serbian government, effectively meaning they're living in their own state.

Demi

pre 12 godina

Well this minister should know that we in Kosovo dosent respect the constitution of Serbia wich sayes Kosovo is Serbian territory. We respect the constituion of Kosovo wich sayes Kosovo is independent.

Does he really belive that we should talk about status when he sayes he will not back down from what the Serbian constituion tells him ? What is it to talk about then ? Maybee he belives that we albanians will back down from our independence for the sake of Serbia and its constituion.


And about your so called licenece plates we will see what happends. Kosovo is functional and will prohbit those in the territory of Kosovo. What will you do minister then ? Send the serbian army to Kosovo for another 'Operation Horseshoe'??

DX

pre 12 godina

Serbia should protect its citizens. Taking away serbian licence plates is very dangerous, i am sure that Eulex knows that, they will probably put presure on Kosovo goverment again.

KOSO

pre 12 godina

"No one can forbid us from putting new license plates with initials of towns in Kosovo"

We can, we have, and we will. Welcome to the 21 century!


Thanks,

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

one of the biggest problems involves the mass burnings: the industrialized burning of albanians by serb forces at trepca, mackatica and probably other sites in s serbia. when you burn bodies at such extremely high temperatures, you end up with lots of ash, and no traces of dna. so the proof of such atrocities becomes highly problematic. not impossible -- every crime leaves traces. but highly problematic.

tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 22 May 2011 19:56)

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jun2002/trep-j28.shtml

There goes another one. Why do you still beleive 1999 Propoganda?

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

No they don't, you just want them to; so that Belgrade can do some sort of publicity stunt. Besides these are technical negotiations aimed at improving the lives of the people in the region, they're not negotiations aimed at solving the dispute.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

The license plate issue is just another example of Pristina trying to create trouble and tension, just for the sake of showing their 'independence'

ivan

pre 12 godina

Time goes forward not backward. Kosovo became independent in 2008, this is 2011. Remember Rambouillet, Ivanovicu, that was your chance and you Serbs didn't take it seriously, now stop crying

Peggy

pre 12 godina

There goes another one. Why do you still beleive 1999 Propoganda?
(New Zealander,
===============================

Because his side (Albanians) started the propaganda and that's all they have.

bganon

pre 12 godina

Ian 'they're not negotiations aimed at solving the dispute'.

In name they are not, but it would be naieve to think that issues relating to status are not part of the discussion. Most issues that affect Kosovo concern status, whether its economy and trade, international recognition, security, tax etc.

I don't see any benefit in shutting ones eyes and singing loudly pretending that things will be fine without such discussions.

Demi I find discussions about the Kosovo and Serbian consitututions another completely irrelevent diversion. Why is it that Dacic or latterly Tadic can move away from the line in the constitution? As I've said previously the constiution serves the people, the people do not serve the constitution.

I recently visited Albania and what shocked me is how much they have put behind the past, moved forward and developed. Most Albanians couldn't care less about Kosovo and its a bitter irony for both Kosovo Albanians and Serbs that Albania has left Kosovo / Serbia behind in many respects. Only 20 or so years ago cars would be crashing into each other in central Tirana because of lack of street lighting causing people in cars to honk their horns non stop. Back then visitors from Jugoslavija would thank their lucky stars for the development in Jugoslavija and return with joy. These days in central Tirana Serbs will scratch their heads wondering what happened and Kosovo Albanians will be wanting not to return to Kosovo at all.

But hey lets waste more time and carry on bickering about Kosovo for another 10 years. Serbia can ensure that Kosovo doesn't develop as it should and Kosovo can remain a thorn in Serbia's side.

Thats what you call regional co-operation...

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

Thought of a New Solution and just wondering what each side thinks of it. Here it is

Make Southern Kosovo and Presovo a Republic Within Serbia, with Virtual inidependence, that includesc UN membership (similar to the Ukrainian SSR model). This republic has the ability to Veto descisions by the Central Serbian government, effectively meaning they're living in their own state.

Keep the Faith

pre 12 godina

I disagree with Bogdanović, status should NOT be discussed.
Keeping Kosovo impoverished and under developed is the way to go.

Everyone knows that Kosovo independence is a joke.
It has a 60% unemployment rate and its biggest "legitimate" export is scrap metal.
It is an under developed criminal black hole that cannot even afford to pay its so called, embassy staff.

In the mean time, Serbia is raking in the cash from all the over priced goods it imports to Kosovo, without the burden of rebuilding and supporting its shattered narco economy.
We'll leave that job to NATO and the EU

Keeping Kosovo underdeveloped should be Serbias primary goal.
Let the unemployed and starving albanians sing, dance and wave their phoney flag.
The rest of the world knows the "reality" And Serbs are laughing all the way to the bank :-)

roberto

pre 12 godina

--"No one can forbid us from putting new license plates with initials of towns in Kosovo on our cars, and if someone in Priština wants to confiscate those plates and personal documents in order to create tension and discourage us from fighting to keep Kosovo in Serbia, they will not succeed," the minister said.

Bogdanović announced that the next round of dialogue would focus on missing and kidnapped persons from Kosovo.--

mr bogdanovic appears to believe that belgrade still controls its ex- colony -- news flash -- you don't. but back to the good old days of your beloved slobodan milosevic...

as to the other point, the missing and kidnapped of Kosova -- as far as know, we are still missing over 1700 persons, at least acc. to hlc figures. there are over 1,000 ethnic albanians still unaccounted for, up to 500 serbs (acc to kandic) and others.

so these people, or their bodies, had to go somewhere. we do know that the bodies of 1000's of albanians were found all over kosovo during and after the war (murdered by serb forces and willing collaborators), and over 870 were uncovered in mass graves inside serbia, in graves exhumed in 2001, mainly in or near police grounds. (what a coincidence) but that still leaves a LOT of people unaccounted for.

one of the biggest problems involves the mass burnings: the industrialized burning of albanians by serb forces at trepca, mackatica and probably other sites in s serbia. when you burn bodies at such extremely high temperatures, you end up with lots of ash, and no traces of dna. so the proof of such atrocities becomes highly problematic. not impossible -- every crime leaves traces. but highly problematic.

still i'm glad that these subjects will be discussed -- they have to be! late as it is.

also we still have the mass gravesite down at raska, which serbian authorities are continuing to keep covered up. i do hope all of these topics will be brought up.

it is clear that members of all enthnicities lost loved ones, and it is disgusting that these matters are always politicized.

as for the marty SMEAR report and all the pretenses of "organ trafficking" by kla, ad nauseum, the belgrade regime will continue to try to make maximal use of it, simply in order to try to strengthen its position and relativize war crimes.

the old curse -- we live in interesting times...

tung. roberto frisco

pss

pre 12 godina

The license plate issue is just another example of Pristina trying to create trouble and tension, just for the sake of showing their 'independence'
(Analyst, 22 May 2011 17:43)
Or another intentional provocation from Belgrade, considering that if Belgrade were true supporters of 1244, they would know that they have no jurisdiction to issue license plates for Kosovo.

The Count of Kosova

pre 12 godina

Thought of a New Solution and just wondering what each side thinks of it. Here it is

Make Southern Kosovo and Presovo a Republic Within Serbia, with Virtual inidependence, that includesc UN membership (similar to the Ukrainian SSR model). This republic has the ability to Veto descisions by the Central Serbian government, effectively meaning they're living in their own state.
(New Zealander, 23 May 2011 08:56)

New Zealander,

This is what the Kosovar Albanians asked for thirty years ago, however, all bets are off now since Kosova is already Independent and Preseva Valley will soon be. If you haven't noticed down under, the Albanians want nothing to do with Serbia.