LDP leader: Serbia needs complete change of policy

Zoran your response is why Jovanovic has it wrong. Instead of talking about real, bread and butter issues the debate is sidelined into the usual no to NATO / we are soverign territory. And sadly you go straight to these issues happily.

What is needed is a reformist party without that avoids these false debates altogether. To the 'democratic' block for example the words EU mean propsperity, to the 'patriotic' block it means a form of enslavement.

Instead of this false debate, how about talking about economic growth, reform of the health sector, the poor state of infrastructure.

This is what political parties need to do and this is what people need to do. The banging on about national dignity, defeats and victories etc should be left to the kafana.

Why do you Serbs say things such as "Bosnian Muslims"? Is there no other religion in BiH?





Thanks,

"Take note of the pattern - every empire that attempted to control us Serbians no longer exists. We are not the same as Croatians, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians. Serbians will never accept a leash around our necks and that is why we are so disliked. I hope the message is clear.
(Zoran, 22 May 2011 10:04)"

Yeah Zoran, the problem is that Serbia is the collar and the chain of Russia that want to control the region. And are getting worst every day, obviously so many lies and fabrications, so many let downs and incompetence must hurt.

Maybe you have been to long in Russlalaland hands, but if you were not there would not be a Serbia.

Keep going though, I do approve of your post, keep dumbing down the rest of Serbia and then we can have debates with walls ;)

--According to him, there are two policies in Serbia - one formulated by the Democratic Party (DS) and the Serbian Progressive Party (SNS), whose goal is to "win and stay in power," and the second implemented by the LDP, which offers concrete solutions and answers to problems.--

While i certainly agree about the goals of ds/sns, it would be nice to have heard something more specific about the policies of cedi and the liberals. but then this media has never been strong on specific and concrete criticism of a ruling party (at least since the days of you know who.)

among other "radical" ideas, as far as i know, cedi has been advocating recognition of Kosova for some time. can you imagine?

as far as i know, cedi has been pushing for the arrest and extradition of the war criminals, starting from mass murderer mladic, on down. instead of harboring him like tadic and co. prefer to do (what do you call people that harbor mass-murderers?)

from what i understand, cedi has been pushing for a change in policy towards bosnia, and end to the unlimited support of corrupt, demagogue do-dik. an end to the continuation of the milosevic/karadzic/mladic project. can you imagine?

as far as i know. cedi has been discussing the real lives (READ: poverty) of the common people, rather than the never-ending trumpeting: Let Them Eat Nationalism!! i say the "common people" because the elites are still doing quite well, thank you very much.

now here is another, related issue: when i asked certain (ethnic) albanian politicians what they thought would happen if our cedi ever became serbia's prime minister -- and let's face it, that ain't ever gonna happen -- some replied: cedi would end up the same as all the others.

personally i don't believe that -- i can't believe it. on the other hand, i much more fear that he would share the fate of djindjic. so many sad stories from the balkans, and all of them true... but cedi and other dissidents keep going and god bless them.

tung. roberto frisco

We said NO to the Ottomans, we said NO to the Austro-Hungarians, we said NO to the NAZIs, we said NO to the Soviet Union and we are saying NO to NATO.

Take note of the pattern - every empire that attempted to control us Serbians no longer exists. We are not the same as Croatians, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians. Serbians will never accept a leash around our necks and that is why we are so disliked. I hope the message is clear.

'cedi has been discussing the real lives (READ: poverty) of the common people'

No, he has not. In fact I don't remember once that Jovanovic has ever mentioned poverty or common people. Where are the specific policies to reduce child poverty, or to improve the wages of the poor, or for example to legislate against companies that say don't pay their workers for more than 3 months or so?

Then again as we know most of the voters of LDP are upper middle class so its no wonder they don't care about 'common people'. And their economic policies have more in common with neo-liberal tendancies than any other party in Serbia.

There was life before NATO, EU, war etc and there will be life after it. The question is will we become fixated upon these national issues forever instead of solving the everyday problems of Serbian citizens.

"This is what political parties need to do and this is what people need to do. The banging on about national dignity, defeats and victories etc should be left to the kafana."
(bganon, 22 May 2011 14:32)

Parties are like wh*res: They do what their customers (voters) want, or do what promises the most votes, to get/stay in power. The needs of the country and the people come later and are less important. The talk about 'national dignity' is the same childish behaviour as the talk about 'independence' in the southern province (UN1244): It distracts from the real everyday-life issues and problems. So Serbia can be proud of keeping their 'dignity' by not joining the EU/NATO, and Kosovo can be proud of their 'independence', and in the end, the two states and the people still are amongst the poorest in Europe.

Parties are like wh*res: They do what their customers (voters) want, or do what promises the most votes, to get/stay in power.
(Top, 22 May 2011 16:36)
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In Cedo's case he does what his paymaster the US says. If he was talking about bread and butter issues then I might have responded accordingly but since he is talking about NATO membership then my response is directed towards that.

among other "radical" ideas, as far as i know, cedi has been advocating recognition of Kosova for some time. can you imagine?

(roberto)


Wonderful for you!So I suggest you take him and make him run for office in the US ,even there he will get more votes as an immigrated foreigner than he will here in Serbia...

he will end up behind bars very soon,his deals with the mafia will be investigated and his party forbiiden after SNS comes to power...

Another thing is how Western pro-Albanian types try with their deceptive propaganda to influence Serbs into voting for such human excrements like Jovanovic which is clearly on the payroll of the US to destroy Serbian interests from within:
They say,you cannot eat Serb NATIONALISM,you should get rid of corrupt Serb politicians that you have(which essentially is true) so you have to vote for traitors who will steal even more and sellout our national interests but that will be OK for you...
But if they are for example Albanian or whatever polititians (preferably anti-Serb) than it is perfectly OK for them to make their people"eat NATIONALISM",charges against "their people" are quickly dismissed as libels etc.

We need to get rid of people like Jovanovic,we should ban their party as unconstitutional(which it is because they advocate the recognition of Serbian province of Kosovo WHICH RUNS AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION) and he should be investigated and tried for high treason,corruption,organized crime(remeber meetings with the Zemun clan and rumours that he was organizing cocaine exports to Western Europe etc.)

And we should run an totally uncompromising line defending our national interests!

We said NO to the Ottomans, we said NO to the Austro-Hungarians, we said NO to the NAZIs, we said NO to the Soviet Union and we are saying NO to NATO.

Take note of the pattern - every empire that attempted to control us Serbians no longer exists. We are not the same as Croatians, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians. Serbians will never accept a leash around our necks and that is why we are so disliked. I hope the message is clear.

"This is what political parties need to do and this is what people need to do. The banging on about national dignity, defeats and victories etc should be left to the kafana."
(bganon, 22 May 2011 14:32)

Parties are like wh*res: They do what their customers (voters) want, or do what promises the most votes, to get/stay in power. The needs of the country and the people come later and are less important. The talk about 'national dignity' is the same childish behaviour as the talk about 'independence' in the southern province (UN1244): It distracts from the real everyday-life issues and problems. So Serbia can be proud of keeping their 'dignity' by not joining the EU/NATO, and Kosovo can be proud of their 'independence', and in the end, the two states and the people still are amongst the poorest in Europe.

Why do you Serbs say things such as "Bosnian Muslims"? Is there no other religion in BiH?





Thanks,

"Take note of the pattern - every empire that attempted to control us Serbians no longer exists. We are not the same as Croatians, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians. Serbians will never accept a leash around our necks and that is why we are so disliked. I hope the message is clear.
(Zoran, 22 May 2011 10:04)"

Yeah Zoran, the problem is that Serbia is the collar and the chain of Russia that want to control the region. And are getting worst every day, obviously so many lies and fabrications, so many let downs and incompetence must hurt.

Maybe you have been to long in Russlalaland hands, but if you were not there would not be a Serbia.

Keep going though, I do approve of your post, keep dumbing down the rest of Serbia and then we can have debates with walls ;)

Zoran your response is why Jovanovic has it wrong. Instead of talking about real, bread and butter issues the debate is sidelined into the usual no to NATO / we are soverign territory. And sadly you go straight to these issues happily.

What is needed is a reformist party without that avoids these false debates altogether. To the 'democratic' block for example the words EU mean propsperity, to the 'patriotic' block it means a form of enslavement.

Instead of this false debate, how about talking about economic growth, reform of the health sector, the poor state of infrastructure.

This is what political parties need to do and this is what people need to do. The banging on about national dignity, defeats and victories etc should be left to the kafana.

Parties are like wh*res: They do what their customers (voters) want, or do what promises the most votes, to get/stay in power.
(Top, 22 May 2011 16:36)
--
In Cedo's case he does what his paymaster the US says. If he was talking about bread and butter issues then I might have responded accordingly but since he is talking about NATO membership then my response is directed towards that.

--According to him, there are two policies in Serbia - one formulated by the Democratic Party (DS) and the Serbian Progressive Party (SNS), whose goal is to "win and stay in power," and the second implemented by the LDP, which offers concrete solutions and answers to problems.--

While i certainly agree about the goals of ds/sns, it would be nice to have heard something more specific about the policies of cedi and the liberals. but then this media has never been strong on specific and concrete criticism of a ruling party (at least since the days of you know who.)

among other "radical" ideas, as far as i know, cedi has been advocating recognition of Kosova for some time. can you imagine?

as far as i know, cedi has been pushing for the arrest and extradition of the war criminals, starting from mass murderer mladic, on down. instead of harboring him like tadic and co. prefer to do (what do you call people that harbor mass-murderers?)

from what i understand, cedi has been pushing for a change in policy towards bosnia, and end to the unlimited support of corrupt, demagogue do-dik. an end to the continuation of the milosevic/karadzic/mladic project. can you imagine?

as far as i know. cedi has been discussing the real lives (READ: poverty) of the common people, rather than the never-ending trumpeting: Let Them Eat Nationalism!! i say the "common people" because the elites are still doing quite well, thank you very much.

now here is another, related issue: when i asked certain (ethnic) albanian politicians what they thought would happen if our cedi ever became serbia's prime minister -- and let's face it, that ain't ever gonna happen -- some replied: cedi would end up the same as all the others.

personally i don't believe that -- i can't believe it. on the other hand, i much more fear that he would share the fate of djindjic. so many sad stories from the balkans, and all of them true... but cedi and other dissidents keep going and god bless them.

tung. roberto frisco

Another thing is how Western pro-Albanian types try with their deceptive propaganda to influence Serbs into voting for such human excrements like Jovanovic which is clearly on the payroll of the US to destroy Serbian interests from within:
They say,you cannot eat Serb NATIONALISM,you should get rid of corrupt Serb politicians that you have(which essentially is true) so you have to vote for traitors who will steal even more and sellout our national interests but that will be OK for you...
But if they are for example Albanian or whatever polititians (preferably anti-Serb) than it is perfectly OK for them to make their people"eat NATIONALISM",charges against "their people" are quickly dismissed as libels etc.

We need to get rid of people like Jovanovic,we should ban their party as unconstitutional(which it is because they advocate the recognition of Serbian province of Kosovo WHICH RUNS AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION) and he should be investigated and tried for high treason,corruption,organized crime(remeber meetings with the Zemun clan and rumours that he was organizing cocaine exports to Western Europe etc.)

And we should run an totally uncompromising line defending our national interests!

'cedi has been discussing the real lives (READ: poverty) of the common people'

No, he has not. In fact I don't remember once that Jovanovic has ever mentioned poverty or common people. Where are the specific policies to reduce child poverty, or to improve the wages of the poor, or for example to legislate against companies that say don't pay their workers for more than 3 months or so?

Then again as we know most of the voters of LDP are upper middle class so its no wonder they don't care about 'common people'. And their economic policies have more in common with neo-liberal tendancies than any other party in Serbia.

There was life before NATO, EU, war etc and there will be life after it. The question is will we become fixated upon these national issues forever instead of solving the everyday problems of Serbian citizens.

among other "radical" ideas, as far as i know, cedi has been advocating recognition of Kosova for some time. can you imagine?

(roberto)


Wonderful for you!So I suggest you take him and make him run for office in the US ,even there he will get more votes as an immigrated foreigner than he will here in Serbia...

he will end up behind bars very soon,his deals with the mafia will be investigated and his party forbiiden after SNS comes to power...