Ex-PM Đukanović sees "united independent church"

"it needs to be in harmony with the Montenegrin government," said Đukanović.

Well that statement says it all. Do as we want or suffer the consequences. The montenegrin so called government is a bunch of mafiosos.

They hate the SPC but love LGBT sexual extremists and it's disgusting but I say let it all happen bc these disturbed manifestations of Montenegrist ideology will disgust all remaining traditionalist individuals among its misguided adherents and may shift the demographic balance once people see exactly where their new identity is taking them: TO HELL

How stupid-everyone knows Milo is after SPC properties..and he is not getting them..!!!!

I think Milo is a bit nervous. He has never explicitly supported the fake church that was set up by separatists in Montenegro up until now. Why I think he is nervous because surely he had to of seen the results of Montenegro's census before most people have and he might have not liked what he seen. Way before the census even started, the people of Montenegro voted the SPC as the most trusted institution in the country. More than the fake church, and more than the government in Podgorica. What Milo is thinking now is to combine the two forces in a much more open way to gain influence back from the SPC. Otherwise his whole independence project would be dead in 10-15 years max.

I've been to Montenegro plenty of times. It really is beautiful there especially the coast line. Somewhere like Herceg Novi I can see my self living in full time. The people there know they are Serbian it is no doubt about it. People at the same time are just frustrated at the lack of progress both Serbia and Montenegro have faced when it comes to living standards. Which is why the narrow majority were willing to try any route possible to improve living conditions. Still this separation is something I don't see as permanent. I would say by the time Republika Srpska gets full independence from Bosnia there will be a strong Serbian sentiment in Montenegro as they completely border RS.

Montenegro is a great place, it is historically Serbian and we need to support our brothers right now not turn our backs on them. Because Tito's people still run Montenegro (and to some extent Belgrade) so we need to support the traditionalist majority there while the government keeps promoting sexual extremist parades and pushing a foreign lifestyle onto the people. Since Montenegrin isn't a distinct and separate nationality from Serbian, the government needs to introduce a artificial way of life to separate it from Serbia and Serbdom as much as possible.

Eventually however the Serb people of Montenegro will overthrow the government there and this time become apart of Serbia and at the same time enjoy Vojvodina autonomy and I'm positive they'll be happy with that the next time around.

Nema Predaje

Milo said
"It is fairly logical that if we want an Orthodox church, it needs to be in harmony with the Montenegrin government," said Đukanović. "

As a man who was vehement about separating church and state, i'm surprised Milo would say something so brash.
Milo, you've left official politics, now leave theology alone.

Who asked him anyway?, if i remember correctly he is NOT clergy of the Serbian orthodox church or the so called Montenegrin church so its not up to him anyway.

Political change in Montenegro doesn't come from the ballot box it comes from splits within the ruling party.

Djukanovic's DPS (Democratic PArty of Socialists) was born out of a split within the Yugoslav communist parties.

The next change came when the DPS split. Into the Djukanovic led DPS and the Bulatovic led Socialist People's Party.

Since that split in 1997/98 there has been no change. Now a split might occur.

The DPS is split between a radically anti-Serb side and a moderate side (pro-Serb but not to the point of seeking re-unification -- this is the same position as most parties in the pro-Serb opposition, since none but the most minor of these agitate for reunification).

The DPS has a coalition the SDP (Social Democratic Party). This part is the most extreme anti-Serb party. Their leader is Ranko Krivokapic, the speaker of the Montenegrin parliament. He is a man whose CV says he speaks Serbian, Croatia, Bosnian and Montenegrin. He denounces Serbs at any point - he calls for the seizure of church land, he accuses Tadic of being a fascist, he calls an encyclopedia published in Serbia "ethnic cleansing." Basically this party hasn't contested an election since 1996 (when they didn't enter parliament) and has piggybacked on Djukanovic's party since. Since independence they've tried to get the entire anti-Serb vote and seperate from the DPS (run independently).

Djukanovic and the DPS have concerns over how they could rule if the SDP was successful. So he and other members of DPS have followed the SDP line to minimize any electoral gains they may make at the expense of the DPS.

Now, there is Filip Vujanovic. He is the president of Montenegro. He has openly thus far stated that he will defend the Serbian church (just to show you that he isn't in line with Djukanovic, he openly opposed legislation by the SDP party to declare that in 1918 Serbia forcibly dethroned montenegro's royal family).

Basically, the DPS is a party that might split like it did in 1997/98. Djukanovic because of his actions (pro-NATO, pro-independence,recognizing Kosovo independence, now openly anti-Serb) has made a situation where his party must be in alliance with increasingly anti-Serb politics. He is challenged by Vujanovic, a man who's politics is closer to the pro-Serb opposition then his parties SDP allies, a man who has stated that Djukanovic should be less involved in politics, and that he would be willing to drop the SDP and rule with some opposition parties.

djukanovic is an atheist. This has nothing to do with religion or the independence of Montenegro (especially since his party has had good relations with the Serb party, and some elements of his party still do). This is all about Djukanovic preventing the SDP from stealing DPS votes and for him to keep control over his own DPS party.

Milo said
"It is fairly logical that if we want an Orthodox church, it needs to be in harmony with the Montenegrin government," said Đukanović. "

As a man who was vehement about separating church and state, i'm surprised Milo would say something so brash.
Milo, you've left official politics, now leave theology alone.
(Pijetro, 17 May 2011 21:46)

Yes, only a true Marxist-Leninist can say such words. If it walks like a commie and quacks like a commie than it's a... neo-liberal post-communist appatatchik.

wow. an article about the Church in Montenegro and 2 comments mention gays and sex.


Weirdos :P

How is this guy not in jail yet? Serious, this man is a crooked as the soviet sickle. Throw the bum in jail for the laundry list of corruptions, smuggling charges that can be proven against him. The EU (NATO) as so full of BS of all the praise they give this thief so-called Euro-Atlantic "Servitude" Montenegro needs a revolt like Serbia needs one. Get rid of all these "pro-west" traitors. If were lucky, the albs will wake up finally take out Berisha and Thaci.

"it needs to be in harmony with the Montenegrin government," said Đukanović.

Well that statement says it all. Do as we want or suffer the consequences. The montenegrin so called government is a bunch of mafiosos.

How stupid-everyone knows Milo is after SPC properties..and he is not getting them..!!!!

They hate the SPC but love LGBT sexual extremists and it's disgusting but I say let it all happen bc these disturbed manifestations of Montenegrist ideology will disgust all remaining traditionalist individuals among its misguided adherents and may shift the demographic balance once people see exactly where their new identity is taking them: TO HELL

I think Milo is a bit nervous. He has never explicitly supported the fake church that was set up by separatists in Montenegro up until now. Why I think he is nervous because surely he had to of seen the results of Montenegro's census before most people have and he might have not liked what he seen. Way before the census even started, the people of Montenegro voted the SPC as the most trusted institution in the country. More than the fake church, and more than the government in Podgorica. What Milo is thinking now is to combine the two forces in a much more open way to gain influence back from the SPC. Otherwise his whole independence project would be dead in 10-15 years max.

I've been to Montenegro plenty of times. It really is beautiful there especially the coast line. Somewhere like Herceg Novi I can see my self living in full time. The people there know they are Serbian it is no doubt about it. People at the same time are just frustrated at the lack of progress both Serbia and Montenegro have faced when it comes to living standards. Which is why the narrow majority were willing to try any route possible to improve living conditions. Still this separation is something I don't see as permanent. I would say by the time Republika Srpska gets full independence from Bosnia there will be a strong Serbian sentiment in Montenegro as they completely border RS.

Montenegro is a great place, it is historically Serbian and we need to support our brothers right now not turn our backs on them. Because Tito's people still run Montenegro (and to some extent Belgrade) so we need to support the traditionalist majority there while the government keeps promoting sexual extremist parades and pushing a foreign lifestyle onto the people. Since Montenegrin isn't a distinct and separate nationality from Serbian, the government needs to introduce a artificial way of life to separate it from Serbia and Serbdom as much as possible.

Eventually however the Serb people of Montenegro will overthrow the government there and this time become apart of Serbia and at the same time enjoy Vojvodina autonomy and I'm positive they'll be happy with that the next time around.

Nema Predaje

Political change in Montenegro doesn't come from the ballot box it comes from splits within the ruling party.

Djukanovic's DPS (Democratic PArty of Socialists) was born out of a split within the Yugoslav communist parties.

The next change came when the DPS split. Into the Djukanovic led DPS and the Bulatovic led Socialist People's Party.

Since that split in 1997/98 there has been no change. Now a split might occur.

The DPS is split between a radically anti-Serb side and a moderate side (pro-Serb but not to the point of seeking re-unification -- this is the same position as most parties in the pro-Serb opposition, since none but the most minor of these agitate for reunification).

The DPS has a coalition the SDP (Social Democratic Party). This part is the most extreme anti-Serb party. Their leader is Ranko Krivokapic, the speaker of the Montenegrin parliament. He is a man whose CV says he speaks Serbian, Croatia, Bosnian and Montenegrin. He denounces Serbs at any point - he calls for the seizure of church land, he accuses Tadic of being a fascist, he calls an encyclopedia published in Serbia "ethnic cleansing." Basically this party hasn't contested an election since 1996 (when they didn't enter parliament) and has piggybacked on Djukanovic's party since. Since independence they've tried to get the entire anti-Serb vote and seperate from the DPS (run independently).

Djukanovic and the DPS have concerns over how they could rule if the SDP was successful. So he and other members of DPS have followed the SDP line to minimize any electoral gains they may make at the expense of the DPS.

Now, there is Filip Vujanovic. He is the president of Montenegro. He has openly thus far stated that he will defend the Serbian church (just to show you that he isn't in line with Djukanovic, he openly opposed legislation by the SDP party to declare that in 1918 Serbia forcibly dethroned montenegro's royal family).

Basically, the DPS is a party that might split like it did in 1997/98. Djukanovic because of his actions (pro-NATO, pro-independence,recognizing Kosovo independence, now openly anti-Serb) has made a situation where his party must be in alliance with increasingly anti-Serb politics. He is challenged by Vujanovic, a man who's politics is closer to the pro-Serb opposition then his parties SDP allies, a man who has stated that Djukanovic should be less involved in politics, and that he would be willing to drop the SDP and rule with some opposition parties.

djukanovic is an atheist. This has nothing to do with religion or the independence of Montenegro (especially since his party has had good relations with the Serb party, and some elements of his party still do). This is all about Djukanovic preventing the SDP from stealing DPS votes and for him to keep control over his own DPS party.

Who asked him anyway?, if i remember correctly he is NOT clergy of the Serbian orthodox church or the so called Montenegrin church so its not up to him anyway.

Milo said
"It is fairly logical that if we want an Orthodox church, it needs to be in harmony with the Montenegrin government," said Đukanović. "

As a man who was vehement about separating church and state, i'm surprised Milo would say something so brash.
Milo, you've left official politics, now leave theology alone.

Milo said
"It is fairly logical that if we want an Orthodox church, it needs to be in harmony with the Montenegrin government," said Đukanović. "

As a man who was vehement about separating church and state, i'm surprised Milo would say something so brash.
Milo, you've left official politics, now leave theology alone.
(Pijetro, 17 May 2011 21:46)

Yes, only a true Marxist-Leninist can say such words. If it walks like a commie and quacks like a commie than it's a... neo-liberal post-communist appatatchik.

wow. an article about the Church in Montenegro and 2 comments mention gays and sex.


Weirdos :P

How is this guy not in jail yet? Serious, this man is a crooked as the soviet sickle. Throw the bum in jail for the laundry list of corruptions, smuggling charges that can be proven against him. The EU (NATO) as so full of BS of all the praise they give this thief so-called Euro-Atlantic "Servitude" Montenegro needs a revolt like Serbia needs one. Get rid of all these "pro-west" traitors. If were lucky, the albs will wake up finally take out Berisha and Thaci.