“51 percent of citizens would not extradite Mladić”

"He told Belgrade-based daily Press that according to the poll, only a third of the citizens (34 percent) supported Mladic’s arrest, 40 percent believed that the indictee was a hero"

I can only pity people that consider a person like Mladic, the alleged responsible person for the worst war crime in Europe since WW2, a hero.

Average Russians know little about the details of the conflicts on Balkans. They know that the West worked hard and shameless to destroy Yugoslavia. They know that the West failed to repeat the trick Russia. They also know that the Tribunal mentioned is punishing mostly Serbians as if their rivals were just doves. So if asked 90% of the Russians would say NO to the Tribunal. Also I believe many Russians could pay those damned 30 silver coins to buy him out. As for me personally I am sure the tribunal should stop to exist because :

1/ it has many times had proved it’s Serbophobia ;

2/ it is teasing peoples not letting them to forget the past and thus barring their way to normal relations.

3/ the judges strive hard to prolong an any pretext their high salaries and status they cannot afford no more if peace comes to the Balkans.

(censored? how ironic!)
--"He told Belgrade-based daily Press that according to the poll, only a third of the citizens (34 percent) supported Mladic’s arrest, 40 percent believed that the indictee was a hero"

I can only pity people that consider a person like Mladic, the alleged responsible person for the worst war crime in Europe since WW2, a hero.
(Analyst, 15 May 2011 14:34) --

Thank you. but "pity" is not the word that i would use. not so much pity, as hold in contempt.

last night my pal and i watched "the odessa file," which is an old film from the 70s about a period in the early 60s, inside germany. i think it is loosely based on historical fact, and it centers on an underground of old nazis and nazi war criminal supporters, all mixed in together. "underground" -- but the thing was, the police knew all about them, and many of the police and police structures (and probably politicians) were a part of them. pretty scary stuff, but that was the reality of post-war germany, less than 20 years after the war.

it has been 16 years since the end of the bosnian war (genocide), 11 years since the war (genocidal campaign) in kosova. we fought like hell, some closer, some at a distance, to topple milosevic and his fascist dictatorship. and yet, after all this time, we have a govt in belgd that continues his basic policies (without open warfare, due to NATO) and harbors, yes HARBORS the worst war-criminal, worst mass murderer since the just mentioned ww2. so what have we learned in all of this time?

one of the biggest problems is what the belgrade dissident intellectuals refer to as a lack of "denazification" inside of serbia. a lack of "cultural decontamination." it means that politicians have come and gone (and i wish some of the current ones would go!), but the basic ideas and values pervasive in the milosevic era have not been challeneged, certainly not been challenged effectively.

and then some of the institutions, the media for example, have gone severely backwards. i don't just refer to this media -- there is a kind of "default nationalism," a growing xenophobia, acceptance of racism and racist characterizations. or so the independent journalists of serbia report. a fear, a terror of real investigative reporting... we all know why. people want to live for the next day, next week, to see children, gr children, nieces and nephews. even the most hard-core journalists are sensitive, have fears. are human.

thus, not one actual investigation of mladic by serbian media, not one! can you imagine? anyone involved in any way with journalism would be utterly aghast. but this is the balkans, this is serbia.

same with the reaction to our report. watch the journalists scattering like flies. i don't want to blame each and every one -- it is a friggen challenging profession, and in these repressive countries it can be deadly. just look over yonder at belarus, at putin's russia. no wonder they are terrified -- i would be too.

but if you are a real journalist, then you have a certain commitment, and you know it. anybody can do cut and paste jobs, act like party lackeys. you hardly need an education for that. but to be a real journalist, to put yourself out there, possibly at some risk, because the truth is more important than mere material comforts...

i challenge some of the bright young journalists at b-92 to get off their bums and do something. DO SOMETHING!! talk with people, investigate. chitty chat with some of yr pals in the govt, with some of the security people. it can't be that hard. yes be discreet, do what you must but get out there and do a proper investigation. someone has to do it, it can't be done by outsiders, only pushed. but i give you my moral support, if that means anything.

see, this is the problem. it is the people of serbia who are harboring this man -- and it must be the people of serbia who find him, and make him answer for his evil crimes. otherwise there is a kind of communal responsibility.

thank you. tung roberto frisco

Yeah, well if one polled Germans in the late 30s and early 40s I bet an overwhelming majority would have regarded Hitler as a hero and believed Jews to be guilty of trying to destroy the Aryan nation.

Thank God Serbdom is healthy & flourishing, we won't betray our medieval ancestral ideals like corrupt souless Westerners...…..

NO!,hijduke or whatever is ur name.It looks like the ''Serbdom is healthy & flourishing'',but little by little it will collapse under the preasure of ur ignorance and fanaticism,and ''globalization'' on the other hand.Mother nature at work,babe.
About 51% of Serbs would not extradite Mladic?!Nothing NEW.We already know that.It is a matter of habit/s.For a group of people,a nation....etc.,it takes time 2 reflect,and extreamly hard 2 break the habit.
From an Orthodox Albanian,of South Albania(even tho u won't Believe Me)
(Dean, 15 May 2011 18:46)
# Comment link

And people actually do not understand why the west support an independent Kosovo, we all know that the only reason Serbs want Kosovo back is to finish the slaughter, it has nothing to do with "religious" heritage etc. It is the heart of their hatred not the falsehood of their allegiance to God. Very similar to alQeida, they use the face of God for a campaign of terror.

So that 51% need to be taught to choose heros who are not murderers.

That is what the Hague is for.

…. and to the 49% ….. he may be living in a flat next to you…. check it out and report him!

The title is misleading bc the breakdown suggests that only ethnic minorities would give up Mladic. Thank God Serbdom is healthy & flourishing, we won't betray our medieval ancestral ideals like corrupt souless Westerners.

“51 percent of citizens would not extradite Mladić”

Congratulations on this lost battle too.
Next is Europe, free speech, divide of church and state, land ownership, social contracts and then the real Serbo will flourish..

Try 95% of serbs and you might be closer to teh mark.

How dumb can you get? The US supported the Albos because it wanted a fort in Kosovo not because they had a great love for your people. They bombed the hell out of you and killed 10 000 and your still singing their praises.

Incredible.
(sj, 16 May 2011 04:30)
Not dumb enough to trust my future in your hands, at least be inventive in your deception, where do you get the number 10,000 killed by NATO bombing.
Your posting reminds me of the childrens story where the evil witch coaxed the children in hiding in the oven for safety.

....Thank God Serbdom is healthy & flourishing, we won't betray our medieval ancestral ideals like corrupt souless Westerners............

NO!,hijduke or whatever is ur name.It looks like the ''Serbdom is healthy & flourishing'',but little by little it will collapse under the preasure of ur ignorance and fanaticism,and ''globalization'' on the other hand.Mother nature at work,babe.
About 51% of Serbs would not extradite Mladic?!Nothing NEW.We already know that.It is a matter of habit/s.For a group of people,a nation....etc.,it takes time 2 reflect,and extreamly hard 2 break the habit.
From an Orthodox Albanian,of South Albania(even tho u won't Believe Me)

That is what we (and the whole world) call: "bandit state" or "hiding state" for war criminals.

Tung

Tange Roberto – Goebles best product. Master of hate and disinformation. Even in Hague – court for abusing everything Serbian – verdict – no Genocide – but Poor Roberta – like parrot – hate genocide- hate genocide – hate – hate.
I don’t support any war criminal – and whoever did anything wrong to civilians should be punished for life. If Mladic did anything to civilians should be in jail for life. But only thing – is Hague court any just place to make that decision. I guess not – it’s proven biased and no just. In case of Milosevic – they kept him – tried him for so long – no case – no verdict – nothing proven – then died under suspicious (at least) circumstances.
Later - now - Seselj – will be 10 years – nothing proven – no case – just indication and I agree hate speeches – that’s all – but for that reason Roberto will go to Hague immediately and will be convicted on same bases in a week – just collect couple of posts from this site – no brainer – verdict – Guilty.
But it’s no justice – Clinton, Blair, Albraight never stop delivering humanitarian aid – depleted uranium bombs – killing three members of my close family and still talking democracy and American way of LI(F)E and Joe and Roberta still clapping.
Where this world heading – why dollar and world collapsing…..

Good for the Serbs. Let's see...the US and UK illegally invade Iraq leading to the ongoing death, injury and displacement of millions. The US and UK relentlessly bomb civilian targets in Serbia to force a partition of Kosovo from Serbia, recognize against world opinion the new "state" and collaborate in the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo...oh...and organ harvesting, too. Today in open violation of the UN resolution the US and UK are slaughtering Libyans in pursuit of... I guess... bloody stalemate. Stalemate accomplished. Oh...and refugee crisis for the EU. Interesting blowback. And who is in the dock for these crimes ? The idea that the US and UK can morally judge "war crimes" is pretty much an ill-advised joke. A common soldier is offered up as a scapegoat once and awhile but the criminal leadership remains immune. Sick stuff, don't you agree?

I can only pity people that consider a person like Mladic, the alleged responsible person for the worst war crime in Europe since WW2, a hero.
(Analyst, 15 May 2011 14:34)

I wouldnt consider it the worst war crime since WW2, Cutting people's organs out for sale on the Black Market tops executting fighting aged men who'd otherwise would have been conscripted into the army.

Also I think that the fact that so many are opposed to his extradiction is not due to his crimes, horrible indeed, but rather the corruption within the hague, many want to see him get a fair trial, after the Milosevic trial (which amongst other things involved a witness for the prosecution admitting to being tortoured), I doubt anyone in Serbia would want him extradicted. Of course theres a handful of peopel who beleive he's a hero + a few idiots who yell "Mladic is on TV" on camera to get on TV and try and shock the west but they're in the minority.

"Try 95% of serbs and you might be closer to teh mark.
(sj, 16 May 2011 00:17) "


Is that the view from Chicago?

And people actually do not understand why the west support an independent Kosovo, we all know that the only reason Serbs want Kosovo back is to finish the slaughter, it has nothing to do with "religious" heritage etc. It is the heart of their hatred not the falsehood of their allegiance to God. Very similar to alQeida, they use the face of God for a campaign of terror.
(no surprise here, 15 May 2011 23:54)


How dumb can you get? The US supported the Albos because it wanted a fort in Kosovo not because they had a great love for your people. They bombed the hell out of you and killed 10 000 and your still singing their praises.

Incredible.

Not dumb enough to trust my future in your hands, at least be inventive in your deception, where do you get the number 10,000 killed by NATO bombing.
Your posting reminds me of the childrens story where the evil witch coaxed the children in hiding in the oven for safety.
(no surprise here, 16 May 2011 14:41)


I forgot you live in the US where ignorance is bliss so I apologise for posting my statement. But if you’re ever interested you might want to read up on what the then Israeli PM Ehud Olmert said when criticized about invading Lebanon in 2006.

“Where do the European countries get to criticize Israel when they killed 10 000 people in Kosovo and no one even fired a missile at them”.

As you have a fear of Serbs here is your chance to give a guarantee that no Albanian from Kosovo will ever go to Serbia proper to look for work.


Is that the view from Chicago?
(Danilo, 16 May 2011 17:28)

Would not have the faintest idea – I don’t live in Chicago or the US for that matter.

This is awesome, an opinion poll on Mladic. Who thinks these things up?

Try 95% of serbs and you might be closer to teh mark.
(sj, 16 May 2011 00:17) "


Is that the view from Chicago?
(Danilo, 16 May 2011 17:28)
====================

Chicago, Australia or anywhere else for that matter.

Average Russians know little about the details of the conflicts on Balkans. They know that the West worked hard and shameless to destroy Yugoslavia. They know that the West failed to repeat the trick Russia. They also know that the Tribunal mentioned is punishing mostly Serbians as if their rivals were just doves. So if asked 90% of the Russians would say NO to the Tribunal. Also I believe many Russians could pay those damned 30 silver coins to buy him out. As for me personally I am sure the tribunal should stop to exist because :

1/ it has many times had proved it’s Serbophobia ;

2/ it is teasing peoples not letting them to forget the past and thus barring their way to normal relations.

3/ the judges strive hard to prolong an any pretext their high salaries and status they cannot afford no more if peace comes to the Balkans.

The title is misleading bc the breakdown suggests that only ethnic minorities would give up Mladic. Thank God Serbdom is healthy & flourishing, we won't betray our medieval ancestral ideals like corrupt souless Westerners.

"He told Belgrade-based daily Press that according to the poll, only a third of the citizens (34 percent) supported Mladic’s arrest, 40 percent believed that the indictee was a hero"

I can only pity people that consider a person like Mladic, the alleged responsible person for the worst war crime in Europe since WW2, a hero.

....Thank God Serbdom is healthy & flourishing, we won't betray our medieval ancestral ideals like corrupt souless Westerners............

NO!,hijduke or whatever is ur name.It looks like the ''Serbdom is healthy & flourishing'',but little by little it will collapse under the preasure of ur ignorance and fanaticism,and ''globalization'' on the other hand.Mother nature at work,babe.
About 51% of Serbs would not extradite Mladic?!Nothing NEW.We already know that.It is a matter of habit/s.For a group of people,a nation....etc.,it takes time 2 reflect,and extreamly hard 2 break the habit.
From an Orthodox Albanian,of South Albania(even tho u won't Believe Me)

I can only pity people that consider a person like Mladic, the alleged responsible person for the worst war crime in Europe since WW2, a hero.
(Analyst, 15 May 2011 14:34)

I wouldnt consider it the worst war crime since WW2, Cutting people's organs out for sale on the Black Market tops executting fighting aged men who'd otherwise would have been conscripted into the army.

Also I think that the fact that so many are opposed to his extradiction is not due to his crimes, horrible indeed, but rather the corruption within the hague, many want to see him get a fair trial, after the Milosevic trial (which amongst other things involved a witness for the prosecution admitting to being tortoured), I doubt anyone in Serbia would want him extradicted. Of course theres a handful of peopel who beleive he's a hero + a few idiots who yell "Mladic is on TV" on camera to get on TV and try and shock the west but they're in the minority.

Good for the Serbs. Let's see...the US and UK illegally invade Iraq leading to the ongoing death, injury and displacement of millions. The US and UK relentlessly bomb civilian targets in Serbia to force a partition of Kosovo from Serbia, recognize against world opinion the new "state" and collaborate in the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo...oh...and organ harvesting, too. Today in open violation of the UN resolution the US and UK are slaughtering Libyans in pursuit of... I guess... bloody stalemate. Stalemate accomplished. Oh...and refugee crisis for the EU. Interesting blowback. And who is in the dock for these crimes ? The idea that the US and UK can morally judge "war crimes" is pretty much an ill-advised joke. A common soldier is offered up as a scapegoat once and awhile but the criminal leadership remains immune. Sick stuff, don't you agree?

And people actually do not understand why the west support an independent Kosovo, we all know that the only reason Serbs want Kosovo back is to finish the slaughter, it has nothing to do with "religious" heritage etc. It is the heart of their hatred not the falsehood of their allegiance to God. Very similar to alQeida, they use the face of God for a campaign of terror.
(no surprise here, 15 May 2011 23:54)


How dumb can you get? The US supported the Albos because it wanted a fort in Kosovo not because they had a great love for your people. They bombed the hell out of you and killed 10 000 and your still singing their praises.

Incredible.

How dumb can you get? The US supported the Albos because it wanted a fort in Kosovo not because they had a great love for your people. They bombed the hell out of you and killed 10 000 and your still singing their praises.

Incredible.
(sj, 16 May 2011 04:30)
Not dumb enough to trust my future in your hands, at least be inventive in your deception, where do you get the number 10,000 killed by NATO bombing.
Your posting reminds me of the childrens story where the evil witch coaxed the children in hiding in the oven for safety.

“51 percent of citizens would not extradite Mladić”

Congratulations on this lost battle too.
Next is Europe, free speech, divide of church and state, land ownership, social contracts and then the real Serbo will flourish..

Try 95% of serbs and you might be closer to teh mark.

(censored? how ironic!)
--"He told Belgrade-based daily Press that according to the poll, only a third of the citizens (34 percent) supported Mladic’s arrest, 40 percent believed that the indictee was a hero"

I can only pity people that consider a person like Mladic, the alleged responsible person for the worst war crime in Europe since WW2, a hero.
(Analyst, 15 May 2011 14:34) --

Thank you. but "pity" is not the word that i would use. not so much pity, as hold in contempt.

last night my pal and i watched "the odessa file," which is an old film from the 70s about a period in the early 60s, inside germany. i think it is loosely based on historical fact, and it centers on an underground of old nazis and nazi war criminal supporters, all mixed in together. "underground" -- but the thing was, the police knew all about them, and many of the police and police structures (and probably politicians) were a part of them. pretty scary stuff, but that was the reality of post-war germany, less than 20 years after the war.

it has been 16 years since the end of the bosnian war (genocide), 11 years since the war (genocidal campaign) in kosova. we fought like hell, some closer, some at a distance, to topple milosevic and his fascist dictatorship. and yet, after all this time, we have a govt in belgd that continues his basic policies (without open warfare, due to NATO) and harbors, yes HARBORS the worst war-criminal, worst mass murderer since the just mentioned ww2. so what have we learned in all of this time?

one of the biggest problems is what the belgrade dissident intellectuals refer to as a lack of "denazification" inside of serbia. a lack of "cultural decontamination." it means that politicians have come and gone (and i wish some of the current ones would go!), but the basic ideas and values pervasive in the milosevic era have not been challeneged, certainly not been challenged effectively.

and then some of the institutions, the media for example, have gone severely backwards. i don't just refer to this media -- there is a kind of "default nationalism," a growing xenophobia, acceptance of racism and racist characterizations. or so the independent journalists of serbia report. a fear, a terror of real investigative reporting... we all know why. people want to live for the next day, next week, to see children, gr children, nieces and nephews. even the most hard-core journalists are sensitive, have fears. are human.

thus, not one actual investigation of mladic by serbian media, not one! can you imagine? anyone involved in any way with journalism would be utterly aghast. but this is the balkans, this is serbia.

same with the reaction to our report. watch the journalists scattering like flies. i don't want to blame each and every one -- it is a friggen challenging profession, and in these repressive countries it can be deadly. just look over yonder at belarus, at putin's russia. no wonder they are terrified -- i would be too.

but if you are a real journalist, then you have a certain commitment, and you know it. anybody can do cut and paste jobs, act like party lackeys. you hardly need an education for that. but to be a real journalist, to put yourself out there, possibly at some risk, because the truth is more important than mere material comforts...

i challenge some of the bright young journalists at b-92 to get off their bums and do something. DO SOMETHING!! talk with people, investigate. chitty chat with some of yr pals in the govt, with some of the security people. it can't be that hard. yes be discreet, do what you must but get out there and do a proper investigation. someone has to do it, it can't be done by outsiders, only pushed. but i give you my moral support, if that means anything.

see, this is the problem. it is the people of serbia who are harboring this man -- and it must be the people of serbia who find him, and make him answer for his evil crimes. otherwise there is a kind of communal responsibility.

thank you. tung roberto frisco

Yeah, well if one polled Germans in the late 30s and early 40s I bet an overwhelming majority would have regarded Hitler as a hero and believed Jews to be guilty of trying to destroy the Aryan nation.

Thank God Serbdom is healthy & flourishing, we won't betray our medieval ancestral ideals like corrupt souless Westerners...…..

NO!,hijduke or whatever is ur name.It looks like the ''Serbdom is healthy & flourishing'',but little by little it will collapse under the preasure of ur ignorance and fanaticism,and ''globalization'' on the other hand.Mother nature at work,babe.
About 51% of Serbs would not extradite Mladic?!Nothing NEW.We already know that.It is a matter of habit/s.For a group of people,a nation....etc.,it takes time 2 reflect,and extreamly hard 2 break the habit.
From an Orthodox Albanian,of South Albania(even tho u won't Believe Me)
(Dean, 15 May 2011 18:46)
# Comment link

And people actually do not understand why the west support an independent Kosovo, we all know that the only reason Serbs want Kosovo back is to finish the slaughter, it has nothing to do with "religious" heritage etc. It is the heart of their hatred not the falsehood of their allegiance to God. Very similar to alQeida, they use the face of God for a campaign of terror.

That is what we (and the whole world) call: "bandit state" or "hiding state" for war criminals.

Tung

So that 51% need to be taught to choose heros who are not murderers.

That is what the Hague is for.

…. and to the 49% ….. he may be living in a flat next to you…. check it out and report him!

"Try 95% of serbs and you might be closer to teh mark.
(sj, 16 May 2011 00:17) "


Is that the view from Chicago?

Not dumb enough to trust my future in your hands, at least be inventive in your deception, where do you get the number 10,000 killed by NATO bombing.
Your posting reminds me of the childrens story where the evil witch coaxed the children in hiding in the oven for safety.
(no surprise here, 16 May 2011 14:41)


I forgot you live in the US where ignorance is bliss so I apologise for posting my statement. But if you’re ever interested you might want to read up on what the then Israeli PM Ehud Olmert said when criticized about invading Lebanon in 2006.

“Where do the European countries get to criticize Israel when they killed 10 000 people in Kosovo and no one even fired a missile at them”.

As you have a fear of Serbs here is your chance to give a guarantee that no Albanian from Kosovo will ever go to Serbia proper to look for work.


Is that the view from Chicago?
(Danilo, 16 May 2011 17:28)

Would not have the faintest idea – I don’t live in Chicago or the US for that matter.

Tange Roberto – Goebles best product. Master of hate and disinformation. Even in Hague – court for abusing everything Serbian – verdict – no Genocide – but Poor Roberta – like parrot – hate genocide- hate genocide – hate – hate.
I don’t support any war criminal – and whoever did anything wrong to civilians should be punished for life. If Mladic did anything to civilians should be in jail for life. But only thing – is Hague court any just place to make that decision. I guess not – it’s proven biased and no just. In case of Milosevic – they kept him – tried him for so long – no case – no verdict – nothing proven – then died under suspicious (at least) circumstances.
Later - now - Seselj – will be 10 years – nothing proven – no case – just indication and I agree hate speeches – that’s all – but for that reason Roberto will go to Hague immediately and will be convicted on same bases in a week – just collect couple of posts from this site – no brainer – verdict – Guilty.
But it’s no justice – Clinton, Blair, Albraight never stop delivering humanitarian aid – depleted uranium bombs – killing three members of my close family and still talking democracy and American way of LI(F)E and Joe and Roberta still clapping.
Where this world heading – why dollar and world collapsing…..

This is awesome, an opinion poll on Mladic. Who thinks these things up?

Try 95% of serbs and you might be closer to teh mark.
(sj, 16 May 2011 00:17) "


Is that the view from Chicago?
(Danilo, 16 May 2011 17:28)
====================

Chicago, Australia or anywhere else for that matter.