Visa-free regime is at risk, the situation has never been more serious, EP Rapporteur on Visa Liberalization for the Western Balkans Tanja Fajon has said.
"Most of the asylum seekers were Roma and Albanians from southern Serbia, he said."
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(MikeC, 7 May 2011 17:39)
MikeC
I have already read the information contained in the link that you have presented. It is the time for you to leave the politics that you don't get paid to propagate and find yourself a chance to look closer to reality.
I have relatives in Presevo and Bujanovac. I have also been in Vranje. I can compare these three municipalities to Belgrade in 1995 and Belgrade was much more developed even back then. Serbia instead of spending EU funds on manipulating with Kosovo serbs for the lost cause, she should reroute those funds to developing these three municipalities and create jobs for the youth over there. This is the best way to stop the asylum seeking. 99% of those people that seek asylum in EU countries are not bad people, but people who have to provide for their children and family. Put yourself in their shoes for not longer than a minute. If your children risk starvation in order for you to respect the visa-free regime, you would not care.
As for those 739 Kosovars mentioned in that article that you have provided, this only proves high level of corruption in Serbian administration. The fact is that good part of those 739 kosovars are people that have benefited from that corruption. Both you and I know that there is no albanian life in central Serbia since 1878. So how could these people have been given a chance to be registered as residents of central Serbia and be issued passports based on inexistent addresses, if that was not due to corrupted administration? In many of your comments you have questioned the right of Albanians to live even in Kosovo so how could they become residents of central Serbia?
Serbian government officials know that Kosovo is a lost cause, otherwise why would they even accept to sign the visa-free regime agreement with EC that is in complete violation of Serbian constitution which treats Kosovo as its integral part? Visa free regime agreement is illegal from Serbian constitution standpoint.
How come kosovo albanians are leaving Kosovo? There is no Milosevic to blame today. You got your so called independence, why not stay in Kosovo and make it better? Ever wonder why Kosovo didn't got visa liberation? If its so bad in Serbia for albanians why don't they go to Kosovo or Albania? The fact is albanians are taking advantage of their Serbian passports. Serbs in Serbia work for a living. The albanians want handouts thats why they go to Western countries. Here you don't have to work to recieve wellfare. Besides, there are plenty of minorities in Serbia. Hungarians, ukranians, rumanians, croats, bosnjaks etc. How come only albanians and roma leave?
MikeC dont blaime the poor citizens. Blaim the goverment that makes this people leave the country :) If it was like in Belgium or Sweden people despite etnicity woulden't leave Serbia.
But I guess the minoritys in Serbia have no economic assistance from the state so they are forced to leave. If serbs and minoritys have the same rights in Serbia then why is only the minoritys leaving ?
Serbia has a problem and you blaime albanians. How low can you go man ?
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(MikeC, 7 May 2011 17:39)
This is what Dacic said and i see 390 Serbs on that list and 739 Kosovars does this mean Serb Kosovars or Albanians. Any way it does not matter as per EU Serbia is not suppose to issue passports to Kosovo Serbs nor Albanians.
But they want to play politics issue passports and then complain stop handing passports to K-Albanians.
And you said Albaninas as if only Albanians were doing that and as per you Albanians and Roma dont belong in Serbia. If they cary that country passport they are Serbian citiznes sorry I thought Serbia was democratic.
"Visa-free travel has certain restrictions. If you don’t respect the rules you will face consequences."
I really wonder what kind of reasoning (if any) is going on in this person's brain. According to her logic, she herself should be punished if a fellow countrymen of her brakes the law.
First of all, I am rather puzzled about the fact that lately every EU politician or civil servant that is asked about the subject apparently has a different opinion about it. If I do recall it correctly it was only days ago that I read that for the reintroduction of a visa regime for Serbia or Montenegro it would take the consent of all EU member states and quite an overhaul of current legislation. In other words, not something that is likely to happen very fast. Now this women comes along with quite an opposite message and one that, at least to me, sounds like a political threat.
Am I the only one who wonders how the government in Serbia or Macedonia can know up front if somebody is going to ask for asylum in another country? Seriously, I'm quite sure that they can make a guess of who is more likely to do such a thing or not, but that would be exactly that: a guess. Therefore any excluding policy based on that would amount to prejudice and discrimination, of which I am sure that it is not according to EU standards (well, at least not the official ones, that is). So why is the EU asking for it than?
Even when Serbia or Macedonia would take steps to prevent any "potential" asylum seekers from entering the EU (although I think that that would be rather a task for EU border countries), how the hell would Serbia or Macedonia be held responsible for the actions of that couple of people that would still get through and still apply for asylum? If the Serbian or Macedonian governments would send these people deliberately to the EU to apply for asylum, though I really doubt that, these EU threats might make sense. Otherwise they really do not.
If I have to believe the numbers given, around 95% of all asylum seekers so far were Roma people. The only way I see it that Serbia or Macedonia could comply with the demands of the EU is when they would put all Roma people under a tight scrutiny before they let them through to the EU. However, any practical implementation of that would tantamount to a policy that would suite WW2 Nazi Germany better than modern day EU standards. Even than, it will be pretty much impossible to predict what a person would do once within the EU. Even if a prediction would be most of the times right, it would still be punishment for a thought crime rather than a punishment for an action, which at least in my opinion is contrary one of the basic fundamentals of Western law.
So what is it? Is there something the Serbian and Macedonian governments are doing that we don't know about (and EU politicians do)? Is the EU really asking to implement standards that they than later can complain about for not being according to EU rules, regulations or standards? Was George Carlin maybe right when he said: "Germany lost the war; fascism won it"?
Maybe it is way more simple. It might just be that the EU is trying to make Serbia and Macedonia responsible for cleaning up the mess that is rather a direct result of the failing asylum system within the EU itself than anything to do with Serbia or Macedonia. It is not that the EU don't have an asylum problem with only these countries. In fact, at least speaking for The Netherlands, the whole asylum system is one big mess and in many ways outright inhuman. Even the EU court has ruled against its policies. One of the primary reasons many people apply for asylum without proper grounds is that they know that in many cases it can take years before they are being forced to leave again. During that time they at least have a better life as the one they were living. They are gaming a failing system, but who made it to fail?
As pointed out in the article, holding a country (again) hostage for the misconduct of a few (if you could even see it as such) would be very unfair. In fact, it's these kind of actions by the EU that make me more and more ashamed for being an EU citizen.
EU politicians would also do good to realize the hatred they sow with their abuse of disproportioned power. It might just happen one day that their beloved EU collapses and the tables could get turned. They better hope that nobody remembers their names when people would like to get even for the injustice they have endured.
Without a doubt, many things in Serbia and Macedonia are far from perfect. The way that (particularly) Serbia has been punished ever since the Balkan wars is nonetheless way beyond proportions and these kind of unfair threats are just another insult to too many already way too much injured. It is about time that the EU politicians that keep abusing their powers get removed from their positions. It would be great if the Balkan (as a whole, no exceptions) finally gets a chance to get on its feet again instead of being beaten down all the time. Sadly that is not likely to happen as long as the US/EU still has covert agenda's for parts of the region.
MikeC dont blaime the poor citizens. Blaim the goverment that makes this people leave the country :) If it was like in Belgium or Sweden people despite etnicity woulden't leave Serbia.
But I guess the minoritys in Serbia have no economic assistance from the state so they are forced to leave. If serbs and minoritys have the same rights in Serbia then why is only the minoritys leaving ?
Serbia has a problem and you blaime albanians. How low can you go man ?
Once again some albanians bring shame to Serbia.
(MikeC, 7 May 2011 15:47)
Mike first you dont know and there is no proof they are albanians or majority of them. maybe its time you stop giving Albanians passports but i tell you one thing; Albanians get passports issued in belgrade and still need visa for schengen only ones from Serbian cities do not.
I think its not fair to blame them for this especially without proof, time for serbs to take blame for them selves even when someone with Serbian passport is arrested like brasil Serbs say he is Albanian not fair and shows how u think.
Many K- albaninas have passports from Albania and I dont see them having issues sorry your theory does not hold true.
Once again some albanians bring shame to Serbia.
(MikeC, 7 May 2011 15:47)
Mike first you dont know and there is no proof they are albanians or majority of them. maybe its time you stop giving Albanians passports but i tell you one thing; Albanians get passports issued in belgrade and still need visa for schengen only ones from Serbian cities do not.
I think its not fair to blame them for this especially without proof, time for serbs to take blame for them selves even when someone with Serbian passport is arrested like brasil Serbs say he is Albanian not fair and shows how u think.
Many K- albaninas have passports from Albania and I dont see them having issues sorry your theory does not hold true.
MikeC dont blaime the poor citizens. Blaim the goverment that makes this people leave the country :) If it was like in Belgium or Sweden people despite etnicity woulden't leave Serbia.
But I guess the minoritys in Serbia have no economic assistance from the state so they are forced to leave. If serbs and minoritys have the same rights in Serbia then why is only the minoritys leaving ?
Serbia has a problem and you blaime albanians. How low can you go man ?
MikeC dont blaime the poor citizens. Blaim the goverment that makes this people leave the country :) If it was like in Belgium or Sweden people despite etnicity woulden't leave Serbia.
But I guess the minoritys in Serbia have no economic assistance from the state so they are forced to leave. If serbs and minoritys have the same rights in Serbia then why is only the minoritys leaving ?
Serbia has a problem and you blaime albanians. How low can you go man ?
(Demi, 7 May 2011 17:40)
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(MikeC, 7 May 2011 17:39)
This is what Dacic said and i see 390 Serbs on that list and 739 Kosovars does this mean Serb Kosovars or Albanians. Any way it does not matter as per EU Serbia is not suppose to issue passports to Kosovo Serbs nor Albanians.
But they want to play politics issue passports and then complain stop handing passports to K-Albanians.
And you said Albaninas as if only Albanians were doing that and as per you Albanians and Roma dont belong in Serbia. If they cary that country passport they are Serbian citiznes sorry I thought Serbia was democratic.
"Visa-free travel has certain restrictions. If you don’t respect the rules you will face consequences."
I really wonder what kind of reasoning (if any) is going on in this person's brain. According to her logic, she herself should be punished if a fellow countrymen of her brakes the law.
First of all, I am rather puzzled about the fact that lately every EU politician or civil servant that is asked about the subject apparently has a different opinion about it. If I do recall it correctly it was only days ago that I read that for the reintroduction of a visa regime for Serbia or Montenegro it would take the consent of all EU member states and quite an overhaul of current legislation. In other words, not something that is likely to happen very fast. Now this women comes along with quite an opposite message and one that, at least to me, sounds like a political threat.
Am I the only one who wonders how the government in Serbia or Macedonia can know up front if somebody is going to ask for asylum in another country? Seriously, I'm quite sure that they can make a guess of who is more likely to do such a thing or not, but that would be exactly that: a guess. Therefore any excluding policy based on that would amount to prejudice and discrimination, of which I am sure that it is not according to EU standards (well, at least not the official ones, that is). So why is the EU asking for it than?
Even when Serbia or Macedonia would take steps to prevent any "potential" asylum seekers from entering the EU (although I think that that would be rather a task for EU border countries), how the hell would Serbia or Macedonia be held responsible for the actions of that couple of people that would still get through and still apply for asylum? If the Serbian or Macedonian governments would send these people deliberately to the EU to apply for asylum, though I really doubt that, these EU threats might make sense. Otherwise they really do not.
If I have to believe the numbers given, around 95% of all asylum seekers so far were Roma people. The only way I see it that Serbia or Macedonia could comply with the demands of the EU is when they would put all Roma people under a tight scrutiny before they let them through to the EU. However, any practical implementation of that would tantamount to a policy that would suite WW2 Nazi Germany better than modern day EU standards. Even than, it will be pretty much impossible to predict what a person would do once within the EU. Even if a prediction would be most of the times right, it would still be punishment for a thought crime rather than a punishment for an action, which at least in my opinion is contrary one of the basic fundamentals of Western law.
So what is it? Is there something the Serbian and Macedonian governments are doing that we don't know about (and EU politicians do)? Is the EU really asking to implement standards that they than later can complain about for not being according to EU rules, regulations or standards? Was George Carlin maybe right when he said: "Germany lost the war; fascism won it"?
Maybe it is way more simple. It might just be that the EU is trying to make Serbia and Macedonia responsible for cleaning up the mess that is rather a direct result of the failing asylum system within the EU itself than anything to do with Serbia or Macedonia. It is not that the EU don't have an asylum problem with only these countries. In fact, at least speaking for The Netherlands, the whole asylum system is one big mess and in many ways outright inhuman. Even the EU court has ruled against its policies. One of the primary reasons many people apply for asylum without proper grounds is that they know that in many cases it can take years before they are being forced to leave again. During that time they at least have a better life as the one they were living. They are gaming a failing system, but who made it to fail?
As pointed out in the article, holding a country (again) hostage for the misconduct of a few (if you could even see it as such) would be very unfair. In fact, it's these kind of actions by the EU that make me more and more ashamed for being an EU citizen.
EU politicians would also do good to realize the hatred they sow with their abuse of disproportioned power. It might just happen one day that their beloved EU collapses and the tables could get turned. They better hope that nobody remembers their names when people would like to get even for the injustice they have endured.
Without a doubt, many things in Serbia and Macedonia are far from perfect. The way that (particularly) Serbia has been punished ever since the Balkan wars is nonetheless way beyond proportions and these kind of unfair threats are just another insult to too many already way too much injured. It is about time that the EU politicians that keep abusing their powers get removed from their positions. It would be great if the Balkan (as a whole, no exceptions) finally gets a chance to get on its feet again instead of being beaten down all the time. Sadly that is not likely to happen as long as the US/EU still has covert agenda's for parts of the region.
"Most of the asylum seekers were Roma and Albanians from southern Serbia, he said."
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(MikeC, 7 May 2011 17:39)
MikeC
I have already read the information contained in the link that you have presented. It is the time for you to leave the politics that you don't get paid to propagate and find yourself a chance to look closer to reality.
I have relatives in Presevo and Bujanovac. I have also been in Vranje. I can compare these three municipalities to Belgrade in 1995 and Belgrade was much more developed even back then. Serbia instead of spending EU funds on manipulating with Kosovo serbs for the lost cause, she should reroute those funds to developing these three municipalities and create jobs for the youth over there. This is the best way to stop the asylum seeking. 99% of those people that seek asylum in EU countries are not bad people, but people who have to provide for their children and family. Put yourself in their shoes for not longer than a minute. If your children risk starvation in order for you to respect the visa-free regime, you would not care.
As for those 739 Kosovars mentioned in that article that you have provided, this only proves high level of corruption in Serbian administration. The fact is that good part of those 739 kosovars are people that have benefited from that corruption. Both you and I know that there is no albanian life in central Serbia since 1878. So how could these people have been given a chance to be registered as residents of central Serbia and be issued passports based on inexistent addresses, if that was not due to corrupted administration? In many of your comments you have questioned the right of Albanians to live even in Kosovo so how could they become residents of central Serbia?
Serbian government officials know that Kosovo is a lost cause, otherwise why would they even accept to sign the visa-free regime agreement with EC that is in complete violation of Serbian constitution which treats Kosovo as its integral part? Visa free regime agreement is illegal from Serbian constitution standpoint.
How come kosovo albanians are leaving Kosovo? There is no Milosevic to blame today. You got your so called independence, why not stay in Kosovo and make it better? Ever wonder why Kosovo didn't got visa liberation? If its so bad in Serbia for albanians why don't they go to Kosovo or Albania? The fact is albanians are taking advantage of their Serbian passports. Serbs in Serbia work for a living. The albanians want handouts thats why they go to Western countries. Here you don't have to work to recieve wellfare. Besides, there are plenty of minorities in Serbia. Hungarians, ukranians, rumanians, croats, bosnjaks etc. How come only albanians and roma leave?
MikeC dont blaime the poor citizens. Blaim the goverment that makes this people leave the country :) If it was like in Belgium or Sweden people despite etnicity woulden't leave Serbia.
But I guess the minoritys in Serbia have no economic assistance from the state so they are forced to leave. If serbs and minoritys have the same rights in Serbia then why is only the minoritys leaving ?
Serbia has a problem and you blaime albanians. How low can you go man ?
Once again some albanians bring shame to Serbia.
(MikeC, 7 May 2011 15:47)
Mike first you dont know and there is no proof they are albanians or majority of them. maybe its time you stop giving Albanians passports but i tell you one thing; Albanians get passports issued in belgrade and still need visa for schengen only ones from Serbian cities do not.
I think its not fair to blame them for this especially without proof, time for serbs to take blame for them selves even when someone with Serbian passport is arrested like brasil Serbs say he is Albanian not fair and shows how u think.
Many K- albaninas have passports from Albania and I dont see them having issues sorry your theory does not hold true.
MikeC dont blaime the poor citizens. Blaim the goverment that makes this people leave the country :) If it was like in Belgium or Sweden people despite etnicity woulden't leave Serbia.
But I guess the minoritys in Serbia have no economic assistance from the state so they are forced to leave. If serbs and minoritys have the same rights in Serbia then why is only the minoritys leaving ?
Serbia has a problem and you blaime albanians. How low can you go man ?
(Demi, 7 May 2011 17:40)
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(MikeC, 7 May 2011 17:39)
This is what Dacic said and i see 390 Serbs on that list and 739 Kosovars does this mean Serb Kosovars or Albanians. Any way it does not matter as per EU Serbia is not suppose to issue passports to Kosovo Serbs nor Albanians.
But they want to play politics issue passports and then complain stop handing passports to K-Albanians.
And you said Albaninas as if only Albanians were doing that and as per you Albanians and Roma dont belong in Serbia. If they cary that country passport they are Serbian citiznes sorry I thought Serbia was democratic.
How come kosovo albanians are leaving Kosovo? There is no Milosevic to blame today. You got your so called independence, why not stay in Kosovo and make it better? Ever wonder why Kosovo didn't got visa liberation? If its so bad in Serbia for albanians why don't they go to Kosovo or Albania? The fact is albanians are taking advantage of their Serbian passports. Serbs in Serbia work for a living. The albanians want handouts thats why they go to Western countries. Here you don't have to work to recieve wellfare. Besides, there are plenty of minorities in Serbia. Hungarians, ukranians, rumanians, croats, bosnjaks etc. How come only albanians and roma leave?
"Most of the asylum seekers were Roma and Albanians from southern Serbia, he said."
[link]/
(MikeC, 7 May 2011 17:39)
MikeC
I have already read the information contained in the link that you have presented. It is the time for you to leave the politics that you don't get paid to propagate and find yourself a chance to look closer to reality.
I have relatives in Presevo and Bujanovac. I have also been in Vranje. I can compare these three municipalities to Belgrade in 1995 and Belgrade was much more developed even back then. Serbia instead of spending EU funds on manipulating with Kosovo serbs for the lost cause, she should reroute those funds to developing these three municipalities and create jobs for the youth over there. This is the best way to stop the asylum seeking. 99% of those people that seek asylum in EU countries are not bad people, but people who have to provide for their children and family. Put yourself in their shoes for not longer than a minute. If your children risk starvation in order for you to respect the visa-free regime, you would not care.
As for those 739 Kosovars mentioned in that article that you have provided, this only proves high level of corruption in Serbian administration. The fact is that good part of those 739 kosovars are people that have benefited from that corruption. Both you and I know that there is no albanian life in central Serbia since 1878. So how could these people have been given a chance to be registered as residents of central Serbia and be issued passports based on inexistent addresses, if that was not due to corrupted administration? In many of your comments you have questioned the right of Albanians to live even in Kosovo so how could they become residents of central Serbia?
Serbian government officials know that Kosovo is a lost cause, otherwise why would they even accept to sign the visa-free regime agreement with EC that is in complete violation of Serbian constitution which treats Kosovo as its integral part? Visa free regime agreement is illegal from Serbian constitution standpoint.
"Visa-free travel has certain restrictions. If you don’t respect the rules you will face consequences."
I really wonder what kind of reasoning (if any) is going on in this person's brain. According to her logic, she herself should be punished if a fellow countrymen of her brakes the law.
First of all, I am rather puzzled about the fact that lately every EU politician or civil servant that is asked about the subject apparently has a different opinion about it. If I do recall it correctly it was only days ago that I read that for the reintroduction of a visa regime for Serbia or Montenegro it would take the consent of all EU member states and quite an overhaul of current legislation. In other words, not something that is likely to happen very fast. Now this women comes along with quite an opposite message and one that, at least to me, sounds like a political threat.
Am I the only one who wonders how the government in Serbia or Macedonia can know up front if somebody is going to ask for asylum in another country? Seriously, I'm quite sure that they can make a guess of who is more likely to do such a thing or not, but that would be exactly that: a guess. Therefore any excluding policy based on that would amount to prejudice and discrimination, of which I am sure that it is not according to EU standards (well, at least not the official ones, that is). So why is the EU asking for it than?
Even when Serbia or Macedonia would take steps to prevent any "potential" asylum seekers from entering the EU (although I think that that would be rather a task for EU border countries), how the hell would Serbia or Macedonia be held responsible for the actions of that couple of people that would still get through and still apply for asylum? If the Serbian or Macedonian governments would send these people deliberately to the EU to apply for asylum, though I really doubt that, these EU threats might make sense. Otherwise they really do not.
If I have to believe the numbers given, around 95% of all asylum seekers so far were Roma people. The only way I see it that Serbia or Macedonia could comply with the demands of the EU is when they would put all Roma people under a tight scrutiny before they let them through to the EU. However, any practical implementation of that would tantamount to a policy that would suite WW2 Nazi Germany better than modern day EU standards. Even than, it will be pretty much impossible to predict what a person would do once within the EU. Even if a prediction would be most of the times right, it would still be punishment for a thought crime rather than a punishment for an action, which at least in my opinion is contrary one of the basic fundamentals of Western law.
So what is it? Is there something the Serbian and Macedonian governments are doing that we don't know about (and EU politicians do)? Is the EU really asking to implement standards that they than later can complain about for not being according to EU rules, regulations or standards? Was George Carlin maybe right when he said: "Germany lost the war; fascism won it"?
Maybe it is way more simple. It might just be that the EU is trying to make Serbia and Macedonia responsible for cleaning up the mess that is rather a direct result of the failing asylum system within the EU itself than anything to do with Serbia or Macedonia. It is not that the EU don't have an asylum problem with only these countries. In fact, at least speaking for The Netherlands, the whole asylum system is one big mess and in many ways outright inhuman. Even the EU court has ruled against its policies. One of the primary reasons many people apply for asylum without proper grounds is that they know that in many cases it can take years before they are being forced to leave again. During that time they at least have a better life as the one they were living. They are gaming a failing system, but who made it to fail?
As pointed out in the article, holding a country (again) hostage for the misconduct of a few (if you could even see it as such) would be very unfair. In fact, it's these kind of actions by the EU that make me more and more ashamed for being an EU citizen.
EU politicians would also do good to realize the hatred they sow with their abuse of disproportioned power. It might just happen one day that their beloved EU collapses and the tables could get turned. They better hope that nobody remembers their names when people would like to get even for the injustice they have endured.
Without a doubt, many things in Serbia and Macedonia are far from perfect. The way that (particularly) Serbia has been punished ever since the Balkan wars is nonetheless way beyond proportions and these kind of unfair threats are just another insult to too many already way too much injured. It is about time that the EU politicians that keep abusing their powers get removed from their positions. It would be great if the Balkan (as a whole, no exceptions) finally gets a chance to get on its feet again instead of being beaten down all the time. Sadly that is not likely to happen as long as the US/EU still has covert agenda's for parts of the region.
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