31 years since death of Yugoslav dictator

Highduke...highduke please you really have to learn to live in reality. Who is bowering money from the IMF every few months asking the EU ,Russia ,China or anyone else that would be stupid enough to lend Serbia money. It was Serbia that riped off Croatia and Slovenia all those decades. Even at the break up of ex Yugo Serbia stoled everything and anything by the point of a gun that it could get its grubby criminal hands on. Serbia has been delaying since then of returning what it has stoled http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=04&dd=27&nav_id=74019 it is the Serbia's BS that the other republics have put up with of its Neo Serb Fascist's policies Serbia is a really bad neighbour.

Yugoslav dictator? Not a Serbian hero who did his best to keep the unity of YU? ;-)

"Serbia is a really bad neighbour.
Lenard

All of Serbia's neighbours know about it.

Lenard!

Let's just say that what you say is true.

Please provide one specific example backed up with supporting facts.

If you can remember correctly, Croatia was part of a country where Serbians were twice Croatia's population and i still haven't mentioned the Macedonians, Slovenians and Montenegrins.

Anyways, Croatia walked away from the marriage and therefore must accept the consequences; especially the loss of financial assets.

On a side note Lenard, i just want to remind you that Serbia is Croatia's daddy when it comes to sports, just look at what happened at last years waterpolo, basketball and tennis events.

Croatia always receives a spanking when playing against Serbians.

Who's your daddy Lenard?

The naive can ignore that its not hard to temporarily live on borrowed money but it's hard to pay back the debt which neither Broz nor his Croats & Slovenians did, they bailed though they gained the most & lost the least out of SFRJ. Broz did to Serbs in SFRJ what Obama is doing to Whites in the USA.

Hey Joe!

Serbia was there first and had never left Yugoslavia.

Therefore, Serbia is the neighbourhood and Croatia, Macedonia and Slovenia are the neighbours.

By the way Joe, Romania, Bulgaria and Greece don't seem to have a problem with neighbouring Serbia.


Maybe, some of those neigbours should stay out of Serbia!

Especially you, Hungarian Joe!

"31 years since death of Yugoslav dictator..."

you know, my complaint (as usual) is w/ the media -- your use of language. when was the last time you referred to monster milosevic as "dictator" of yugoslavia, or serbia? how do you characterize karadzic, mladic, sesejl, all of "your" war criminals? and yet you have to push that tito was nothing but a "dictator."

i will not ever defend communism or communists, but -- tito had some tremendous acheivements. he is missed, seriously missed all over the former YU, and not like stalin (evil piece that he was.)

of course you can look back and laugh at the cult-of-personality, of the life of luxury they (tito and jovanka) lived, the ridiculous repression of dissidents. the horrible times of goli otok, esp.ly after the break w/ stalin, the ambivalence about capitalism and democracy. the lack of democratic structures. the killings after the war...

there are many valid criticisms, i don't question that. but still he managed to lead a communist country, during the cold war! along a reasonably progressive path. open travel. decent living conditions. brotherhood and unity, it may have been somewhat forced (judging by what happened afterwards) but many people really believed in it, and still do!

you can't imagine, as we travel through ex YU, how many different people practically start crying when reminiscing to us, to me. yes, even in serbia. you would never know it by their media, but i am telling you. one man, older, working at our hotel (slavia), i was joking (per usual): what've you done w/ HIS portraits?? but he did not laugh: "You don't know how things were during tito's time, how good things were..." i almost felt a little guilty for the joking.

i just think we should present things w/ a bit more complexity, not just push the nationalist agenda. i don't want communism back, god forbid. but as i've said, compared to many of today's politicians, since tito, esp.ly in serbia, our tito was like jesus of nazareth.

tung. roberto frisco

Serbia was there first and had never left Yugoslavia.

Therefore, Serbia is the neighbourhood and Croatia, Macedonia and Slovenia are the neighbours.

By the way Joe, Romania, Bulgaria and Greece don't seem to have a problem with neighbouring Serbia.


Maybe, some of those neigbours should stay out of Serbia!

Especially you, Hungarian Joe!
(Another Canadian Serb, 4 May 2011 21:19)

I guess you left Serbia long time ago since Greece is not bordering Serbia or do you want some more land grabbing and want Macedonia.

Everyone wanted away from Serbia even your little brother Montenegro so look on the mirror why no one wants to live with you??

"31 years since death of Yugoslav dictator..."

you know, my complaint (as usual) is w/ the media -- your use of language. when was the last time you referred to monster milosevic as "dictator" of yugoslavia, or serbia? how do you characterize karadzic, mladic, sesejl, all of "your" war criminals? and yet you have to push that tito was nothing but a "dictator."

tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2011 21:40)

This is why, Milosevic was freely elected, meaning he wasnt a dictator, Tito seized power illegitimely (neither elected nor inherirted the crown) meaning he was a dictator. You confuse Tyrant with Dictator, one can be both, or they can be one or the other (or neither); Milosevic was a tyrant, Tito was not.

As for Mladic, Karadzic and Seselj; B92 doesnt call them war criminals, just as it doesnt call Thaci, Bush or Clinton a war criminal, simply because they havent been convicted.

I vote for Lenard for resident forum anti-grammarian, sensationalist, propagandist, and editor in-chief!

@(Another Canadian Serb, 4 May 2011 19:15) On a side note Lenard, i just want to remind you that Serbia is Croatia's daddy when it comes to sports, just look at what happened at last years waterpolo, basketball and tennis events.

Croatia always receives a spanking when playing against Serbians.
....

Correct me if I am wrong but I remember that Cibona and Jugoplastika in basketball were better than Red Star or Partizan.Jugoplastika(latter Pop 84) got 3-4 times in the raw the europian championship so did Cibona.Serbian teams were not so lucky and in the direct games Ciboma or Jugoplastika used to beat Zvezda or Partizan.
In football however, Red Star was the best team.
Tennis, Monika Seles I thought she was croatian.
My conlusion is that serbs were better in football and croatians were better in basketball.
Tito dictator?!!
I wish we could have had a "dictator" like him,a skillfull politician who recieve help from both US and Russia and successfully did his best to pleased everyone within YU.
His slogan "The weaker Serbia the stronger Yugoslavia" was true.After his death serbs wanted to be stronger and get everything from Yugoslavia for themselves,therefore Yugoslavia died.

In the years since his death, DNA analysis has been developed. By taking a DNA sample from Tito’s remains it will be possible to identify his nationality.

One thing, however, is clear, even without DNA testing; Tito was not the half Croat, half Slovene, Josip Broz.

Tito was a communist however, he will be remember for good. He built a model multicultural country. Unfortunately after Tito Yugoslavia, the example of harmony and multiculturalism in Balkan instead of going forward by using the freedom and possibilities that democracy offers went backward. Hopefully this will change with EU integration.

Give me a "dictator" like Tito any day over the idiots who rule the region nowadays.

Joe is no hungarian, and Lenard also hates serbs. what they say has not much of a meaning. as for the article, it´s not about Serbia´s neighbours here. so please don´t bore us to death with your helpless attempts to attack Serbia wherever you think you can.

it´s mostly very ineffective, though.

Oki do

Do you even know what the definition of a neighbour is?

I have neighbours up the street from my house, but their property doesn't encroach on mine.

Okey-Doki!

Highduke...highduke please you really have to learn to live in reality. Who is bowering money from the IMF every few months asking the EU ,Russia ,China or anyone else that would be stupid enough to lend Serbia money. It was Serbia that riped off Croatia and Slovenia all those decades. Even at the break up of ex Yugo Serbia stoled everything and anything by the point of a gun that it could get its grubby criminal hands on. Serbia has been delaying since then of returning what it has stoled http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=04&dd=27&nav_id=74019 it is the Serbia's BS that the other republics have put up with of its Neo Serb Fascist's policies Serbia is a really bad neighbour.

The naive can ignore that its not hard to temporarily live on borrowed money but it's hard to pay back the debt which neither Broz nor his Croats & Slovenians did, they bailed though they gained the most & lost the least out of SFRJ. Broz did to Serbs in SFRJ what Obama is doing to Whites in the USA.

"Serbia is a really bad neighbour.
Lenard

All of Serbia's neighbours know about it.

Lenard!

Let's just say that what you say is true.

Please provide one specific example backed up with supporting facts.

If you can remember correctly, Croatia was part of a country where Serbians were twice Croatia's population and i still haven't mentioned the Macedonians, Slovenians and Montenegrins.

Anyways, Croatia walked away from the marriage and therefore must accept the consequences; especially the loss of financial assets.

On a side note Lenard, i just want to remind you that Serbia is Croatia's daddy when it comes to sports, just look at what happened at last years waterpolo, basketball and tennis events.

Croatia always receives a spanking when playing against Serbians.

Who's your daddy Lenard?

Yugoslav dictator? Not a Serbian hero who did his best to keep the unity of YU? ;-)

Hey Joe!

Serbia was there first and had never left Yugoslavia.

Therefore, Serbia is the neighbourhood and Croatia, Macedonia and Slovenia are the neighbours.

By the way Joe, Romania, Bulgaria and Greece don't seem to have a problem with neighbouring Serbia.


Maybe, some of those neigbours should stay out of Serbia!

Especially you, Hungarian Joe!

"31 years since death of Yugoslav dictator..."

you know, my complaint (as usual) is w/ the media -- your use of language. when was the last time you referred to monster milosevic as "dictator" of yugoslavia, or serbia? how do you characterize karadzic, mladic, sesejl, all of "your" war criminals? and yet you have to push that tito was nothing but a "dictator."

i will not ever defend communism or communists, but -- tito had some tremendous acheivements. he is missed, seriously missed all over the former YU, and not like stalin (evil piece that he was.)

of course you can look back and laugh at the cult-of-personality, of the life of luxury they (tito and jovanka) lived, the ridiculous repression of dissidents. the horrible times of goli otok, esp.ly after the break w/ stalin, the ambivalence about capitalism and democracy. the lack of democratic structures. the killings after the war...

there are many valid criticisms, i don't question that. but still he managed to lead a communist country, during the cold war! along a reasonably progressive path. open travel. decent living conditions. brotherhood and unity, it may have been somewhat forced (judging by what happened afterwards) but many people really believed in it, and still do!

you can't imagine, as we travel through ex YU, how many different people practically start crying when reminiscing to us, to me. yes, even in serbia. you would never know it by their media, but i am telling you. one man, older, working at our hotel (slavia), i was joking (per usual): what've you done w/ HIS portraits?? but he did not laugh: "You don't know how things were during tito's time, how good things were..." i almost felt a little guilty for the joking.

i just think we should present things w/ a bit more complexity, not just push the nationalist agenda. i don't want communism back, god forbid. but as i've said, compared to many of today's politicians, since tito, esp.ly in serbia, our tito was like jesus of nazareth.

tung. roberto frisco

Serbia was there first and had never left Yugoslavia.

Therefore, Serbia is the neighbourhood and Croatia, Macedonia and Slovenia are the neighbours.

By the way Joe, Romania, Bulgaria and Greece don't seem to have a problem with neighbouring Serbia.


Maybe, some of those neigbours should stay out of Serbia!

Especially you, Hungarian Joe!
(Another Canadian Serb, 4 May 2011 21:19)

I guess you left Serbia long time ago since Greece is not bordering Serbia or do you want some more land grabbing and want Macedonia.

Everyone wanted away from Serbia even your little brother Montenegro so look on the mirror why no one wants to live with you??

Joe is no hungarian, and Lenard also hates serbs. what they say has not much of a meaning. as for the article, it´s not about Serbia´s neighbours here. so please don´t bore us to death with your helpless attempts to attack Serbia wherever you think you can.

it´s mostly very ineffective, though.

In the years since his death, DNA analysis has been developed. By taking a DNA sample from Tito’s remains it will be possible to identify his nationality.

One thing, however, is clear, even without DNA testing; Tito was not the half Croat, half Slovene, Josip Broz.

@(Another Canadian Serb, 4 May 2011 19:15) On a side note Lenard, i just want to remind you that Serbia is Croatia's daddy when it comes to sports, just look at what happened at last years waterpolo, basketball and tennis events.

Croatia always receives a spanking when playing against Serbians.
....

Correct me if I am wrong but I remember that Cibona and Jugoplastika in basketball were better than Red Star or Partizan.Jugoplastika(latter Pop 84) got 3-4 times in the raw the europian championship so did Cibona.Serbian teams were not so lucky and in the direct games Ciboma or Jugoplastika used to beat Zvezda or Partizan.
In football however, Red Star was the best team.
Tennis, Monika Seles I thought she was croatian.
My conlusion is that serbs were better in football and croatians were better in basketball.
Tito dictator?!!
I wish we could have had a "dictator" like him,a skillfull politician who recieve help from both US and Russia and successfully did his best to pleased everyone within YU.
His slogan "The weaker Serbia the stronger Yugoslavia" was true.After his death serbs wanted to be stronger and get everything from Yugoslavia for themselves,therefore Yugoslavia died.

Tito was a communist however, he will be remember for good. He built a model multicultural country. Unfortunately after Tito Yugoslavia, the example of harmony and multiculturalism in Balkan instead of going forward by using the freedom and possibilities that democracy offers went backward. Hopefully this will change with EU integration.

Give me a "dictator" like Tito any day over the idiots who rule the region nowadays.

"31 years since death of Yugoslav dictator..."

you know, my complaint (as usual) is w/ the media -- your use of language. when was the last time you referred to monster milosevic as "dictator" of yugoslavia, or serbia? how do you characterize karadzic, mladic, sesejl, all of "your" war criminals? and yet you have to push that tito was nothing but a "dictator."

tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2011 21:40)

This is why, Milosevic was freely elected, meaning he wasnt a dictator, Tito seized power illegitimely (neither elected nor inherirted the crown) meaning he was a dictator. You confuse Tyrant with Dictator, one can be both, or they can be one or the other (or neither); Milosevic was a tyrant, Tito was not.

As for Mladic, Karadzic and Seselj; B92 doesnt call them war criminals, just as it doesnt call Thaci, Bush or Clinton a war criminal, simply because they havent been convicted.

I vote for Lenard for resident forum anti-grammarian, sensationalist, propagandist, and editor in-chief!

Oki do

Do you even know what the definition of a neighbour is?

I have neighbours up the street from my house, but their property doesn't encroach on mine.

Okey-Doki!