I am glad that you are irritated too. At that cost I think it is worth the price!
It's lot cheaper than the NATO interventions that were needed to bring a halt to the murders. Good that the murders were stopped at any price. Not only did they destroy the lives of many many people, the complicity of Milosevic also denigrated the name of Serbia in the world to a level of pariah status. I am glad that those days are over and intend irritating nasty nationalists as much as I can (even with the help of NATO where possible).
… and as I have said elsewhere, not all Serbs are nasty nationalists. If you are one, please get over it and enter the wider world - it is a better place despite your embittered view of it!!
You have not read my posting properly. Your interpretation is asserting that all Serbs are nasty nationalists.
I assure you that many Serbs are NOT nasty nationalists and do not share the bigotries that seem to motivate your comments.
It is you that has made that false assertion - not me.
The Hague gave Milosevic a much better time than his stinking politics did to the lives of many - yes about the murders in Bosnia, but also including the disgusting way he stole from Serbs using inflation and lies.
I want nasty nationalists to be irritated - and good if it got you too.
Long may it irritate you.
(Bob, 5 May 2011 09:58)
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Yes, long may it irritate me. At $300 million a year, paid mostly by NATO countries, I can handle the irritant for much longer.
Here is seselj at his "best," compliments of Balkans Insight/ youtube. the best and brightest of serbia?! watch it and weep. and this is just one tiny fraction of his portfolio...
(roberto, 5 May 2011 04:17)
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If that is his "best", I have no idea why this case is still going after 8 years. That video, in fact, is legendary. Why shouldn't he say that to people who have kept him locked away unjustifiably? Sure, some of the things he said aren't nice (the spoon thing) but I see no reason, apart from political, for keeping his trial going indefinitely.
Maybe you have a link with something else he said that justifies it? Please provide. Actually, that goes for everyone here who thinks his hate speech justifies this case. Please provide a link with some of he speeches that justifies this case. I want to know what he said.
Have you ever heard of a court that prosecutes a defendant for 6 years and still no verdict, but the defendant mysteriously dies. Or how about another case that is currently in it's 8 years of prosecution, but still no verdict.
I have, it's called The Hague.
But i am glad that you find this working and successful court one that irritates Serbs.
Unbelievable to see anyone defending Seselj. He was one of the biggest promoters, defenders of, and participant in hatred, ethnic cleansing, and war crimes. Remember he said “I hate the Croats so much that I would have liked to gouge their eyes out with a rusty spoon.”
Defend Seselj, you defend hatred and murder. Shame!
Yes Seselj said all that but did he actually "gouge their eyes out with a rusty spoon" NO. But people but people who actually gouge serbian eyes out with a rusty spoon Naser Oric and Ramush Haradinaj where newer sentenced for their crimes but where LET FREE
Here is seselj at his "best," compliments of Balkans Insight/ youtube. the best and brightest of serbia?! watch it and weep. and this is just one tiny fraction of his portfolio...
Unbelievable to see anyone defending Seselj. He was one of the biggest promoters, defenders of, and participant in hatred, ethnic cleansing, and war crimes. Remember he said “I hate the Croats so much that I would have liked to gouge their eyes out with a rusty spoon.”
Defend Seselj, you defend hatred and murder. Shame!
(A, 4 May 2011 19:22)
Yes, A, you said a mouthful. as to natasa kandic's comment, does anyone care to explain her to me? more and more we have serious questions about where dear natasa is coming from...
Unbelievable to see anyone defending Seselj. He was one of the biggest promoters, defenders of, and participant in hatred, ethnic cleansing, and war crimes. Remember he said “I hate the Croats so much that I would have liked to gouge their eyes out with a rusty spoon.”
Defend Seselj, you defend hatred and murder. Shame!
That doesn't mean that paramilitary action, stirring up hate and racial purity are anything but evil and criminal.
(Andy UK, 4 May 2011 15:05)
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The leaders of the British National Party (BNP) have been doing that for years and they still walk free.
(Zoran, 4 May 2011 16:00)
It's a general problem of the justice system that a person who is shooting a single man will be convinced for murder easily. People like Seslj who incite hate and inspire his followers to kill, loot and and slaughter are 'not guilty'. So, imagine if some followers of the BNP will go and kill 100s of people, repeating the words of their leaders. Don't you think the BNP leaders will get in trouble, too?
What did I tell you? They will never release Seselj. They will kill him in jail like they did to milosevic. The hague is not a court of justice; it is just a western political organization - the UN senior executives have no control over the hague. They are like those cowardly referees in the american NBA - they call a foul on one side and when that side complains, the referees make up a foul on the other side to "balance" the game. The hague convicted gotovina so they now have to keep seselj in jail to "balance" their stupid political game.
Danilo whilst its true that the freeing of Seselj will split the 'patriotic' vote, it doesn't mean that DS will have enough to rule with SPS, LDP and minorities.
If we are speaking from the perspective of the impact of Seselj on Serbian politics I could actually do without the circus type of politics that he creates. Certainly I believe that Serbia is a different place from when he left, but not drastically so. All that water throwing, badge wearing, slogan chanting, stupid shouting is plain embarassing. We need less of that in Serbian politics, not more.
On the charges I'm inclined to agree with the judges on this one, there is evidence to show that he is guilty of some of the charges they have accused him of. However, it seems that on the serious charges the prosecution haven't managed to prove much, even though they have had him in custody for years.
Seselj should drop his defence, the prosecution should speed up the trial and if / when he is found guilty on minor charges he can still be out in time for the election. Most will be relatively satisfied by this solution.
That doesn't mean that paramilitary action, stirring up hate and racial purity are anything but evil and criminal.
(Andy UK, 4 May 2011 15:05)
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The leaders of the British National Party (BNP) have been doing that for years and they still walk free.
I know Seselj has a big mouth and I'm not particularly fond of him but this trial is a complete farce. It is obvious they are simply keeping him out of Serbian politics and it just goes to prove the NATO court is political. Even if they find him guilty, it will be time served.
A disappointing but temporary setback bc Seselj will mount his redundant defense, as it's no surprise that they plan to make him jump through every redundant judicial hoop before setting him free. After all, he did humiliate them.
ACS - I completely agree with you that those countries seceeded from Yugoslavia illegally and I also agree that Serbia was right to defend itself and win in WW1 and with the Partisans in WW2.
That doesn't mean that paramilitary action, stirring up hate and racial purity are anything but evil and criminal.
I'm glad to see that the court sees him as the ultra right wing paramilitary commander that he is and he's not free (shame they did not with the likes of Oric and that others like Tudjman never got there).
Serbia is so much better than the likes of Seselj.
"They will probably split the patriotic vote and force a coalition with Tadic and Nikolic."
Why would it force a coalition with Tadic and Nikolic? Why would Tadic need that? When Seselj returns, he's split the nationalist vote and SRS and SNS will neutralize each other. Tadic won't have to have anything to do with Nikolic. He and only he benefits from Seselj's return
If the Croations, Slovenians and Bosnian Muslims didn't illegaly separate from Yugoslavia, then there would have been NO paramilitaries running around killing Serbians in the first place.
Do you forget that Serbia in self defence had won WWI & WWII.
Yes, Serbia fought against those crazy Croation Ustasha and Jihadist Bosnian Muslims.
The precedent was set and it was only right that Serbs protect Serbians.
If he is acquitted it will be down to his supporters' programme of witness intimidation.
(Andy UK, 4 May 2011, 11:00)
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Hmm, don't agree there. The NATO court is political in nature and if he is released it will probably have something to do with the coming elections. They will probably split the patriotic vote and force a coalition with Tadic and Nikolic.
If the Croations, Slovenians and Bosnian Muslims didn't illegaly separate from Yugoslavia, then there would have been NO paramilitaries running around killing Serbians in the first place.
Do you forget that Serbia in self defence had won WWI & WWII.
Yes, Serbia fought against those crazy Croation Ustasha and Jihadist Bosnian Muslims.
The precedent was set and it was only right that Serbs protect Serbians.
That doesn't mean that paramilitary action, stirring up hate and racial purity are anything but evil and criminal.
(Andy UK, 4 May 2011 15:05)
--
The leaders of the British National Party (BNP) have been doing that for years and they still walk free.
I know Seselj has a big mouth and I'm not particularly fond of him but this trial is a complete farce. It is obvious they are simply keeping him out of Serbian politics and it just goes to prove the NATO court is political. Even if they find him guilty, it will be time served.
A disappointing but temporary setback bc Seselj will mount his redundant defense, as it's no surprise that they plan to make him jump through every redundant judicial hoop before setting him free. After all, he did humiliate them.
If he is acquitted it will be down to his supporters' programme of witness intimidation.
(Andy UK, 4 May 2011, 11:00)
--
Hmm, don't agree there. The NATO court is political in nature and if he is released it will probably have something to do with the coming elections. They will probably split the patriotic vote and force a coalition with Tadic and Nikolic.
Unbelievable to see anyone defending Seselj. He was one of the biggest promoters, defenders of, and participant in hatred, ethnic cleansing, and war crimes. Remember he said “I hate the Croats so much that I would have liked to gouge their eyes out with a rusty spoon.”
Defend Seselj, you defend hatred and murder. Shame!
What did I tell you? They will never release Seselj. They will kill him in jail like they did to milosevic. The hague is not a court of justice; it is just a western political organization - the UN senior executives have no control over the hague. They are like those cowardly referees in the american NBA - they call a foul on one side and when that side complains, the referees make up a foul on the other side to "balance" the game. The hague convicted gotovina so they now have to keep seselj in jail to "balance" their stupid political game.
"They will probably split the patriotic vote and force a coalition with Tadic and Nikolic."
Why would it force a coalition with Tadic and Nikolic? Why would Tadic need that? When Seselj returns, he's split the nationalist vote and SRS and SNS will neutralize each other. Tadic won't have to have anything to do with Nikolic. He and only he benefits from Seselj's return
ACS - I completely agree with you that those countries seceeded from Yugoslavia illegally and I also agree that Serbia was right to defend itself and win in WW1 and with the Partisans in WW2.
That doesn't mean that paramilitary action, stirring up hate and racial purity are anything but evil and criminal.
I'm glad to see that the court sees him as the ultra right wing paramilitary commander that he is and he's not free (shame they did not with the likes of Oric and that others like Tudjman never got there).
Serbia is so much better than the likes of Seselj.
Danilo whilst its true that the freeing of Seselj will split the 'patriotic' vote, it doesn't mean that DS will have enough to rule with SPS, LDP and minorities.
If we are speaking from the perspective of the impact of Seselj on Serbian politics I could actually do without the circus type of politics that he creates. Certainly I believe that Serbia is a different place from when he left, but not drastically so. All that water throwing, badge wearing, slogan chanting, stupid shouting is plain embarassing. We need less of that in Serbian politics, not more.
On the charges I'm inclined to agree with the judges on this one, there is evidence to show that he is guilty of some of the charges they have accused him of. However, it seems that on the serious charges the prosecution haven't managed to prove much, even though they have had him in custody for years.
Seselj should drop his defence, the prosecution should speed up the trial and if / when he is found guilty on minor charges he can still be out in time for the election. Most will be relatively satisfied by this solution.
That doesn't mean that paramilitary action, stirring up hate and racial purity are anything but evil and criminal.
(Andy UK, 4 May 2011 15:05)
--
The leaders of the British National Party (BNP) have been doing that for years and they still walk free.
(Zoran, 4 May 2011 16:00)
It's a general problem of the justice system that a person who is shooting a single man will be convinced for murder easily. People like Seslj who incite hate and inspire his followers to kill, loot and and slaughter are 'not guilty'. So, imagine if some followers of the BNP will go and kill 100s of people, repeating the words of their leaders. Don't you think the BNP leaders will get in trouble, too?
Unbelievable to see anyone defending Seselj. He was one of the biggest promoters, defenders of, and participant in hatred, ethnic cleansing, and war crimes. Remember he said “I hate the Croats so much that I would have liked to gouge their eyes out with a rusty spoon.”
Defend Seselj, you defend hatred and murder. Shame!
Yes Seselj said all that but did he actually "gouge their eyes out with a rusty spoon" NO. But people but people who actually gouge serbian eyes out with a rusty spoon Naser Oric and Ramush Haradinaj where newer sentenced for their crimes but where LET FREE
Have you ever heard of a court that prosecutes a defendant for 6 years and still no verdict, but the defendant mysteriously dies. Or how about another case that is currently in it's 8 years of prosecution, but still no verdict.
I have, it's called The Hague.
But i am glad that you find this working and successful court one that irritates Serbs.
Long may it irritate you.
(Bob, 5 May 2011 09:58)
--
Yes, long may it irritate me. At $300 million a year, paid mostly by NATO countries, I can handle the irritant for much longer.
You have not read my posting properly. Your interpretation is asserting that all Serbs are nasty nationalists.
I assure you that many Serbs are NOT nasty nationalists and do not share the bigotries that seem to motivate your comments.
It is you that has made that false assertion - not me.
The Hague gave Milosevic a much better time than his stinking politics did to the lives of many - yes about the murders in Bosnia, but also including the disgusting way he stole from Serbs using inflation and lies.
I want nasty nationalists to be irritated - and good if it got you too.
Here is seselj at his "best," compliments of Balkans Insight/ youtube. the best and brightest of serbia?! watch it and weep. and this is just one tiny fraction of his portfolio...
(roberto, 5 May 2011 04:17)
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If that is his "best", I have no idea why this case is still going after 8 years. That video, in fact, is legendary. Why shouldn't he say that to people who have kept him locked away unjustifiably? Sure, some of the things he said aren't nice (the spoon thing) but I see no reason, apart from political, for keeping his trial going indefinitely.
Maybe you have a link with something else he said that justifies it? Please provide. Actually, that goes for everyone here who thinks his hate speech justifies this case. Please provide a link with some of he speeches that justifies this case. I want to know what he said.
I am glad that you are irritated too. At that cost I think it is worth the price!
It's lot cheaper than the NATO interventions that were needed to bring a halt to the murders. Good that the murders were stopped at any price. Not only did they destroy the lives of many many people, the complicity of Milosevic also denigrated the name of Serbia in the world to a level of pariah status. I am glad that those days are over and intend irritating nasty nationalists as much as I can (even with the help of NATO where possible).
… and as I have said elsewhere, not all Serbs are nasty nationalists. If you are one, please get over it and enter the wider world - it is a better place despite your embittered view of it!!
Unbelievable to see anyone defending Seselj. He was one of the biggest promoters, defenders of, and participant in hatred, ethnic cleansing, and war crimes. Remember he said “I hate the Croats so much that I would have liked to gouge their eyes out with a rusty spoon.”
Defend Seselj, you defend hatred and murder. Shame!
(A, 4 May 2011 19:22)
Yes, A, you said a mouthful. as to natasa kandic's comment, does anyone care to explain her to me? more and more we have serious questions about where dear natasa is coming from...
Here is seselj at his "best," compliments of Balkans Insight/ youtube. the best and brightest of serbia?! watch it and weep. and this is just one tiny fraction of his portfolio...
If he is acquitted it will be down to his supporters' programme of witness intimidation.
(Andy UK, 4 May 2011, 11:00)
--
Hmm, don't agree there. The NATO court is political in nature and if he is released it will probably have something to do with the coming elections. They will probably split the patriotic vote and force a coalition with Tadic and Nikolic.
ACS - I completely agree with you that those countries seceeded from Yugoslavia illegally and I also agree that Serbia was right to defend itself and win in WW1 and with the Partisans in WW2.
That doesn't mean that paramilitary action, stirring up hate and racial purity are anything but evil and criminal.
I'm glad to see that the court sees him as the ultra right wing paramilitary commander that he is and he's not free (shame they did not with the likes of Oric and that others like Tudjman never got there).
Serbia is so much better than the likes of Seselj.
Unbelievable to see anyone defending Seselj. He was one of the biggest promoters, defenders of, and participant in hatred, ethnic cleansing, and war crimes. Remember he said “I hate the Croats so much that I would have liked to gouge their eyes out with a rusty spoon.”
Defend Seselj, you defend hatred and murder. Shame!
If the Croations, Slovenians and Bosnian Muslims didn't illegaly separate from Yugoslavia, then there would have been NO paramilitaries running around killing Serbians in the first place.
Do you forget that Serbia in self defence had won WWI & WWII.
Yes, Serbia fought against those crazy Croation Ustasha and Jihadist Bosnian Muslims.
The precedent was set and it was only right that Serbs protect Serbians.
"They will probably split the patriotic vote and force a coalition with Tadic and Nikolic."
Why would it force a coalition with Tadic and Nikolic? Why would Tadic need that? When Seselj returns, he's split the nationalist vote and SRS and SNS will neutralize each other. Tadic won't have to have anything to do with Nikolic. He and only he benefits from Seselj's return
A disappointing but temporary setback bc Seselj will mount his redundant defense, as it's no surprise that they plan to make him jump through every redundant judicial hoop before setting him free. After all, he did humiliate them.
Unbelievable to see anyone defending Seselj. He was one of the biggest promoters, defenders of, and participant in hatred, ethnic cleansing, and war crimes. Remember he said “I hate the Croats so much that I would have liked to gouge their eyes out with a rusty spoon.”
Defend Seselj, you defend hatred and murder. Shame!
(A, 4 May 2011 19:22)
Yes, A, you said a mouthful. as to natasa kandic's comment, does anyone care to explain her to me? more and more we have serious questions about where dear natasa is coming from...
Danilo whilst its true that the freeing of Seselj will split the 'patriotic' vote, it doesn't mean that DS will have enough to rule with SPS, LDP and minorities.
If we are speaking from the perspective of the impact of Seselj on Serbian politics I could actually do without the circus type of politics that he creates. Certainly I believe that Serbia is a different place from when he left, but not drastically so. All that water throwing, badge wearing, slogan chanting, stupid shouting is plain embarassing. We need less of that in Serbian politics, not more.
On the charges I'm inclined to agree with the judges on this one, there is evidence to show that he is guilty of some of the charges they have accused him of. However, it seems that on the serious charges the prosecution haven't managed to prove much, even though they have had him in custody for years.
Seselj should drop his defence, the prosecution should speed up the trial and if / when he is found guilty on minor charges he can still be out in time for the election. Most will be relatively satisfied by this solution.
That doesn't mean that paramilitary action, stirring up hate and racial purity are anything but evil and criminal.
(Andy UK, 4 May 2011 15:05)
--
The leaders of the British National Party (BNP) have been doing that for years and they still walk free.
(Zoran, 4 May 2011 16:00)
It's a general problem of the justice system that a person who is shooting a single man will be convinced for murder easily. People like Seslj who incite hate and inspire his followers to kill, loot and and slaughter are 'not guilty'. So, imagine if some followers of the BNP will go and kill 100s of people, repeating the words of their leaders. Don't you think the BNP leaders will get in trouble, too?
What did I tell you? They will never release Seselj. They will kill him in jail like they did to milosevic. The hague is not a court of justice; it is just a western political organization - the UN senior executives have no control over the hague. They are like those cowardly referees in the american NBA - they call a foul on one side and when that side complains, the referees make up a foul on the other side to "balance" the game. The hague convicted gotovina so they now have to keep seselj in jail to "balance" their stupid political game.
Here is seselj at his "best," compliments of Balkans Insight/ youtube. the best and brightest of serbia?! watch it and weep. and this is just one tiny fraction of his portfolio...
Unbelievable to see anyone defending Seselj. He was one of the biggest promoters, defenders of, and participant in hatred, ethnic cleansing, and war crimes. Remember he said “I hate the Croats so much that I would have liked to gouge their eyes out with a rusty spoon.”
Defend Seselj, you defend hatred and murder. Shame!
Yes Seselj said all that but did he actually "gouge their eyes out with a rusty spoon" NO. But people but people who actually gouge serbian eyes out with a rusty spoon Naser Oric and Ramush Haradinaj where newer sentenced for their crimes but where LET FREE
You have not read my posting properly. Your interpretation is asserting that all Serbs are nasty nationalists.
I assure you that many Serbs are NOT nasty nationalists and do not share the bigotries that seem to motivate your comments.
It is you that has made that false assertion - not me.
The Hague gave Milosevic a much better time than his stinking politics did to the lives of many - yes about the murders in Bosnia, but also including the disgusting way he stole from Serbs using inflation and lies.
I want nasty nationalists to be irritated - and good if it got you too.
That doesn't mean that paramilitary action, stirring up hate and racial purity are anything but evil and criminal.
(Andy UK, 4 May 2011 15:05)
--
The leaders of the British National Party (BNP) have been doing that for years and they still walk free.
I know Seselj has a big mouth and I'm not particularly fond of him but this trial is a complete farce. It is obvious they are simply keeping him out of Serbian politics and it just goes to prove the NATO court is political. Even if they find him guilty, it will be time served.
I am glad that you are irritated too. At that cost I think it is worth the price!
It's lot cheaper than the NATO interventions that were needed to bring a halt to the murders. Good that the murders were stopped at any price. Not only did they destroy the lives of many many people, the complicity of Milosevic also denigrated the name of Serbia in the world to a level of pariah status. I am glad that those days are over and intend irritating nasty nationalists as much as I can (even with the help of NATO where possible).
… and as I have said elsewhere, not all Serbs are nasty nationalists. If you are one, please get over it and enter the wider world - it is a better place despite your embittered view of it!!
Long may it irritate you.
(Bob, 5 May 2011 09:58)
--
Yes, long may it irritate me. At $300 million a year, paid mostly by NATO countries, I can handle the irritant for much longer.
Here is seselj at his "best," compliments of Balkans Insight/ youtube. the best and brightest of serbia?! watch it and weep. and this is just one tiny fraction of his portfolio...
(roberto, 5 May 2011 04:17)
--
If that is his "best", I have no idea why this case is still going after 8 years. That video, in fact, is legendary. Why shouldn't he say that to people who have kept him locked away unjustifiably? Sure, some of the things he said aren't nice (the spoon thing) but I see no reason, apart from political, for keeping his trial going indefinitely.
Maybe you have a link with something else he said that justifies it? Please provide. Actually, that goes for everyone here who thinks his hate speech justifies this case. Please provide a link with some of he speeches that justifies this case. I want to know what he said.
Have you ever heard of a court that prosecutes a defendant for 6 years and still no verdict, but the defendant mysteriously dies. Or how about another case that is currently in it's 8 years of prosecution, but still no verdict.
I have, it's called The Hague.
But i am glad that you find this working and successful court one that irritates Serbs.
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