"Russian Kosovo policy bad for Serbia"

Rehn further stated that Moscow's policy to prevent a UN Security Council resolution that would "mandate Kosovo's independence" was "solely in its own interest".

Of course. The fear is to create a precendence case for all ethnic minorities. For the same reason, 5 out of the 27 EU memmber states didn't recognize Kosovo.
On the other hand, the recognition of Kosovo by a lot of other European states was solely in their own interests, too. Mainly for sending back all the refuguees and asylum seekers back to Kosovo, the new multi-ethnic dream state. What else should the reason to be establish a corrupt state where many politicians often are connected to mafia and who think manipulating elections is okay in the middle of Europe?

"Mr Tadic has no guts!"

So, what's new. Not a single Serbs has except maybe your former president, Mr Dzinciq.

22 of 27 has recognized Kosova and majority counts. And these 22 countries include also the world powers whereas Slovakija, Greece, ... (beggar states) are not.

As long as Serbia (The Puppet) keeps headed towards Russia (The Puppet-master) Kosova's chances are getting only better.

Tung

Lies like these help turn Serbs away from the EU bc it's obvious they want us to be divided & conquered slaves. RUS policy on KiM is part of a greater policy to make us the regional superpower that will charge the EU exorbitant transit fees that will be re-invested in Gazprom-like companies that'll buy up EU companies for chump-change after their next recession.

You can not expect anything better from the man who was one of those who suggested Ahtisaari for Nobel peace prize. Finland will do everything in order to be against Russia, does not matter is it right or wrong. I have not heard Rehn's nor Ahtisaari's comments regarding organ harvesting case. Poor old Marti(the puppet) Ahtisaari should have at least commented something, he is Nobel prize winner.

"Of course. The fear is to create a precendence case for all ethnic minorities."

what a shop-worn argument :).

once again B92 is spreading anti-serb propaganda...
it´s quite the opposite,
in the long term everything is heading in the right direction, but that is something Mr.Rehn wouldn´t officially admit. time is working for Serbia, and the pressure the US are exerting on little pacific islands and other smaller entities to " recognize " is showing that in the state department they know that very well.

the BRIC countries have not "recognized", and they know very well too, why they didn´t.

Why do you think Russians recognized South Ossetia and Abkhazia? They care a lot about Serbia.

Russia is a declining power, it is too reliant on it's neighbours. It's influence doesn't go too far beyond a handful of Latin American countries and former Soviet nations. All Russia will ever be is a regional power. Russia wants to mean something again like it did before the break up of the Soviet Union. This is why Russia is so keen on this BRICS project, a forum for wannabe superpowers with China the only serious contender. BRICS would be a joke without China.

I fear that too many Serbs are under the illusion that Russia is this all powerful country wanting to protect the interests of Serbia like it did in WW1. Present day Russia is not that powerful, Russia only cares about itself. Russia wants to mean something, that is why Russia would rather spend billions on it's military while it's people stare is certain areas of Russia. Not to mention that ethnic Russians make up less than 80% of Russia population, lots of people want out of Russia.

Don't get me wrong, I love Russia, it is a great country. But politically Russia isn't the friend best friend to have. Everything it does is for it's own interests. Arguably you could apply the same to the US and China, however the US is a superpower and China will be unlike Russia.

I'm just saying that Serbia shouldn't rely on Russia too much.

It is high time for Serbia to finally orient herself toward EU and NATO. All what has happening, insecurity and instability derives from the fact that Serbia is not member neither of these two Institutions. Srbia behaves as an half-independent state giving Russians favourable position. Serbian diplomay is extremely shortminded and naive.

Kosova's chances are getting only better.

Tung
(FREEDOM, 26 April 2011 15:12)
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Keep dreaming my friend. "Kosova" is long buried and dead. In fact, it never lived and we can thank Russia (and China) for that.

"I have not heard Rehn's nor Ahtisaari's comments regarding organ harvesting case. Poor old Marti(the puppet) Ahtisaari should have at least commented something, he is Nobel prize winner.
(Avram, 26 "

What comment you wanted? Well done Serbia, from Sharon Stone and George Cloony your lies are getting more interesting but you are still a lier?

Not a single evidence, not even a single victim.
MAkes you think what crazy people are trying to push through to look "clean and civilized Christians". Too late to start reinventing the new Serbia, you are still 2 genocidal killers up and running.

Russia's recognition of Abkhazia and Ossetia tells the West "anything you can do, I can do too". Therefore it undermines the outright lie by the west that recognition of Kosovo "does not set a precedent" as the west refuses to recognize Abkhazia and Ossetia for the the same (unstated) reason.

It effectively draws a line under such illegal political actions and hopefully will stop the unraveling of the Treaty of Westphalia that has more or less been the basis of the sovereign state for the last 400 years.

Only time will tell if it is too late. As we have seen with President Wilson's concept of a people's "right to self-determination" took a while to catch on, the clearest example being adopted by lawyer in south africa who returned home to his colonially ruled country and started a campaign of peaceful resistance to the oppressors. His name was Muhatma 'Babu' Ghandi.

The US blew it's chances when it invaded Iraq. After 9/11, the Russians were ready to back the US in the fight against terrorism, the Taliban etc., but then GWB attacked Bagdad and that was the end of the goodwill. I'm not saying that Russia would have ever supported Kosovo independence, but perhaps the whole atmosphere around the negotiations would have been better, with each side willing to give and take a little more... We'll never know...

"Russian Kosovo policy is bad for Serbia" !!!???

"Serbia's leadership did not accept that Russia's Kosovo policy went against the country's interests. "

Their Kosovo policy is simple - "We will accept what Serbia accepts. We will support any solution acceptable for Serbia".

Russia doesn't have a clear policy towards Kosovo. It's willing to support Serbia in their policy.
If Serbia wants to recognize Kosovo, Russia is willing, too.
If Serbia wants to approve EULEX, Russia give green light at UN Security Council.

And Rehn goes to tell us that Russia's policy goes against Serbian best interest?
It only means that Serbian policy goes against our best interests. Russia merely approves of Serbian policy.

Most of Western countries have following policy - "We will do in Kosovo as we wish. We don't care what is acceptable or not for Serbia, nor we care about Serbian interests. Not even a bit."

Let's now read his message - "Serbians should not rule Serbia, as this is not in their interests. West should."

Another attempt to remove every, even formal independence from Serbia?

It is high time for Serbia to finally orient herself toward EU and NATO. All what has happening, insecurity and instability derives from the fact that Serbia is not member neither of these two Institutions. Srbia behaves as an half-independent state giving Russians favourable position. Serbian diplomay is extremely shortminded and naive.
(Constantinos the Great, 26 April 2011 16:00)

Boat number 14, come in please, Your free milk and honey is now available. Repeat, come in please.

Why on earth should Serbs pay any attention to what this man says?
Honestly, do some people think that Serbs are that stupid?
Without Russia we would've already lost Kosovo without any hope of ever getting it back.
If this runs in line with Russia's interest then even better but to think that these people like Ollie are doing anything in Serbia's interest is laughable. Sure, losing 15% of your territory is good for you Serbia. Why can't you see that? A friend who backs up a victim and works hard at preventing the thief to enjoy their booty is bad but all those others who are trying to help the thief enjoy their booty are good. Now who is telling porkies here?

(Ian, UK, 26 April 2011 18:32)

Naturally the UK is on the ascendency in world power. In fact the US is the only power amongst the hanger-on such as France and the UK so why is the US dragging these wannabees along?

Oh no don’t tell me that Russia does things because of self interest and the west does them out of love and good will.

You really have to stop living in fantasyland and writing this nonsense..


(FREEDOM, 26 April 2011 15:12)


12 years of status quo and “Kosovas” chances are getting better by the decade eh? Its better to keep you as your are and you will disappear before the worlds eyes.

Year 13, more of the same, year 14, more of the same. Enjoy.

I think this is a comment worth remembering. I think I'd like to bring it back to you in the future and see how embarrassed you look. You seem to have a rather useless Crystal Ball.
(Ian, UK, 27 April 2011 00:38)
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Yes Ian, please book mark it and remember to dust it off every now and then. What I am saying is that "Kosova" will never become a legitimate independent state. That idea is long buried and never lived to begin with.

As for your comments about Russia, seems your tunnel vision is deceiving you. Russia is currently the world's largest energy supplier while its neighbour China is the world's largest energy consumer. The US on the other hand is the world's largest indebted country. So we have the resurging and emerging countries against the indebted. I know where my bets are placed.

(sj, 27 April 2011 00:30)

You obviously didn't read part of my comment so let me repeat it to you.

"Everything it does is for it's own interests. Arguably you could apply the same to the US and China, however the US is a superpower and China will be unlike Russia."

I think that shows that I recognise that the West (as well as China) also do things for their own interests. So I declare the second half or your comment null and void because you didn't bother to read my entire comment.

Now to the first half of your comment, I understand that the UK and France are no longer the powers they used to be. The UK and France are not "wannabes", they fully understand their size, they don't want to be or claim to be superpowers/ future superpowers. However saying that, the Western Intervention in Libya is pretty much a Cameron-Sarkozy project, Obama is not too keen on it in comparison. It was the UK who wrote UNSCR 1970 and 1973, France is the most militarily involved in Libya and want more action. The UK and France are nowhere near as big as they used to be but they know what they can achieve unlike Russia.

What else should the reason to be establish a corrupt state where many politicians often are connected to mafia and who think manipulating elections is okay in the middle of Europe?
(Top, 26 April 2011 13:02)

Manipulation is better than speculation.

Not a single evidence, not even a single victim.
(Dodosour, 26 April 2011 19:36)

How do you know that mate? Have you been there?

Russian policy towards Kosova is imoral: as it recognises the S. Osetia and Abkhasia but refuses to recognise Kosova.

While at the same time Putin says that from moral point of view S.Osetias, Ablahisas and Kosova's case are same: http://www.georgiatimes.info/en/news/19939.html

Some people disagree of course: http://www.slate.com/id/2197704/

But still remains the fact that if Putin and Russia bealive that S. Ossetia and Kosova friom mroal point of view are the same then why recongise one but not the other dear Mr. Putin and Russia??? Hypocrites and bulls that's why.

The west is way more principled and smart: S. Ossetia and Kosova are not the same- ergo we recogise Kosova but not S. Ossettia.

But I guess when you put in same sentece the word moral and Russian politics you are sure that you have made a huge mistake.

it´s intersting that Ian tries in all seriousness to sell the Kumanovo agreement as a victory for the US!

given that they have tried to occupy the whole of the country, not only southern serbian KiM, and given that they have bombed Serbia and Montenegro for 78 days while only destroying 15 tanks in that time-period, and given that they tried to erase serbian sovereignty, one must say that they have achieved all but their objectives.

they´ve failed, and ...it was not only the US it was the biggest military alliance so far that was not capable of subduing Serbia.

so please do not fool yourself with this poor attempt of whitewashing.

even Sun Tsu once wrote that if you cannot subdue the enemy, you are losing.

ps: is our dear k-albanian friend from "frisco" losing his nerves? he´s writing quite strange things the last days...

Without Obama’s OK France or the UK would not scratch themselves let alone start a war. You will find that all of this is being stage managed by the US from the backrooms – it’s all image. You give the lackeys too much credit otherwise they would have gone it alone without the US in tow.
It was at the US behest that UK or France initiated UNCR 1970 or 1973. I think you will find that Russia has more brains than the entire EU plus US put together. The western powers have started another war not to protect people, but to take control of the oil in Libya since Iraq has become so poisonous for the US and its allies.
I can predict that the west will lose in Libya thus making it three wars in a row. It’s a fact now that Al Qaida has infiltrated the rebel movement and some of their operatives are in positions of command and its going to be a defeat no matter how you look at it. They are waiting for the US and their vassals to send troops on the ground in Libya and then Good Morning Iraq.
The UK and France are nothing more than windbags used by the US to project an image of “not an American action” – please give me a break, people were not born yesterday.
This I can tell you as I am in the business. If you think your government cut backs in expenditure are tough now wait till after Libya – the word nightmare will not do it justice. The UK is on the edge of civil unrest not seen in that country since Oliver Cromwell’s days.
(sj, 27 April 2011 13:20)

You may be right, the UK and France might not have gone into Libya without the US and their say so, but they're the ones who desperately want this conflict for several reasons. The US never does anything alone any more.
Also what do you mean three in a row? Afghan is a stalemate, Iraq we clearly won and it is now long over (even though I was opposed to it); Libya we will win as we're fighting a government not insurgents and guerillas like in Afghanistan. We have only been in Libya for just over 30 days, we were in Yugoslavia for 90 days, give us chance. We'll bomb Gaddafi forces until we're blue in the face. We'll make sure he has no tanks, armoured vehicles, planes, helicopters or ships left. We'll make it as easy as possible for the Rebels to push east.

As a modern Historian who has specialised in Thatcher's Britain I laughed when I read this quote by you: "The UK is on the edge of civil unrest not seen in that country since Oliver Cromwell’s days." What is happening now in the UK is NOTHING compared to the 1981 race riots, NOTHING compared to the 1984-5 Miner's Strike/ Riots and NOTHING compared to Poll Tax Riots. Also these recent protests in Britain were tiny compared to the Iraq War protests in 2003.
Everyone in the UK is under this fake illusion of a new wave of Britishness due the Royal Wedding on Friday. I'm sorry but that last sentence of yours was ridiculous. You're the one living in fantasy land. I've seen nothing to suggest civil unrest in Britain, I've not seen a single protest; the only ones I've seen have been on TV.
When I go into my local City of Bradford it is the same as usual, when I go to Sheffield to watch the Blades for a football match it is the same as usual. I've been to North Wales, Bolton, Leeds, Halifax, Huddersfield and Manchester recently, they're the same as usual. No signs of any civil unrest.

I think you want the UK to be on the edge of civil unrest, but it aint going to happen. Sure we love a good protest, but that's it.

The only thing that came anywhere close to civil unrest in the UK was when around 100-150 anarchists hijacked a peaceful student Protest in London. Are you really going to compare that to the English Civil Wars?
Please say that you were joking.

(Ian, UK, 27 April 2011 11:51)

Without Obama’s OK France or the UK would not scratch themselves let alone start a war. You will find that all of this is being stage managed by the US from the backrooms – it’s all image. You give the lackeys too much credit otherwise they would have gone it alone without the US in tow.
It was at the US behest that UK or France initiated UNCR 1970 or 1973. I think you will find that Russia has more brains than the entire EU plus US put together. The western powers have started another war not to protect people, but to take control of the oil in Libya since Iraq has become so poisonous for the US and its allies.
I can predict that the west will lose in Libya thus making it three wars in a row. It’s a fact now that Al Qaida has infiltrated the rebel movement and some of their operatives are in positions of command and its going to be a defeat no matter how you look at it. They are waiting for the US and their vassals to send troops on the ground in Libya and then Good Morning Iraq.
The UK and France are nothing more than windbags used by the US to project an image of “not an American action” – please give me a break, people were not born yesterday.
This I can tell you as I am in the business. If you think your government cut backs in expenditure are tough now wait till after Libya – the word nightmare will not do it justice. The UK is on the edge of civil unrest not seen in that country since Oliver Cromwell’s days.

Ian says:
"Also what do you mean three in a row? Afghan is a stalemate, Iraq we clearly won and it is now long over (even though I was opposed to it);"
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Iraq is not won and never will be. If you had a victory there why don't you pack up and leave? Why are people still dying there?
Afghanistan is not going to get any better either.
How many wars has the US and her friends won since WW2?
From where I am standing, every war the US has started has ended up in disaster and a loss. Go on, just name one victory. Even Korea was a loss since now there are two of them, unless particion is seen as a win.

Iraq is not won and never will be. If you had a victory there why don't you pack up and leave? Why are people still dying there?
Afghanistan is not going to get any better either.
How many wars has the US and her friends won since WW2?
From where I am standing, every war the US has started has ended up in disaster and a loss. Go on, just name one victory. Even Korea was a loss since now there are two of them, unless particion is seen as a win.
(Peggy, 27 April 2011 23:39)


We have packed up and left, we did that in April 2009 because the War is over. Historians say it is over, media say it is over, every single Government in the world says it is over. You think the Iraq War is still ongoing because once a blue moon the odd brainwashed Islamic fundamentalist blows himself up? That isn't a continuation of the Iraq War.
No-one is claiming that the UN forces won the Korean War, it is widely recognised as a stalemate.

US Victories:
2004 Haiti Rebellion: US, Brazil and Chile sent in troops to remove President Jean-Bertrand Aristide from power and were victorious.
The Iraq War is over.
Yugoslavia 1999: Objectives achieved
1998: Operation Desert Fox
1990-1: Gulf War
1989: US invasion of Panama
1983: US invasion of Grenada
1965-66: US invasion of the Dominican Republic

UK Victories:
Iraq War
2000: Sierra Leone
1999: Yugoslavia
1998: Operation Desert Fox
1990-1: Gulf War
1982: Falklands War
1962-75: Dhofar Rebellion in Oman
1962-1966: Indonesia–Malaysia Conflict
1962-66: Brunei Conflict
1952-60: Mau Mau Uprising


I think I have named more than one victory. Oh aye, I almost forgot; how about the Cold War?

Mr Olli Rehn statement characterizing Russia/Serbia relations is false,dishonest and absurd.
Its callous low life approach to scare Serbia into submission in
accepting the dictate from those warmongers who still fights colonial wars.Mr. Rehn Serbs know,who their friends are.Russia did not bomb us
with uranium cluster bombs - you and your friends did.

Ian, so many wars started by US and her posse. Again, Iraq is not over and has not been won. What are the Americans still doing there? Holidaying?

Are you honestly proud of starting so much bloodshed around the world? What exactly have you won? Do the Yanks have any respect around the world even with their allies these days? Sure, governments and some brainwashed individuals are all chanting USA, USA, but many people have no respect for English or Americans because of your thirst for blood.

The Falklands, why did England go to war there? How is this piece of land English? You think Kosovo should not belong to Serbia and it has been a part of Serbia for centuries and Serbs have no right to fight for it but somehow England has the right to fight for Falklands. Funny, double standards here and you seem to think Falklands was a victory. Military yes, morally no.

Please don't brag about all the wars your country and the US have started. It's so ugly and evil.

The real important stuff like Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan is a total screw up for you guys. It's not so hard to have CIA operatives stir trouble and start a war like in Yugoslavia or some poor Latin country but just try and actually occupy someone. OK, I stand corrected, you have occupied Kosovo, for now.

Keep dreaming my friend. "Kosova" is long buried and dead. In fact, it never lived and we can thank Russia (and China) for that.
(Zoran, 26 April 2011 20:23)

I think this is a comment worth remembering. I think I'd like to bring it back to you in the future and see how embarrassed you look. You seem to have a rather useless Crystal Ball.

Regardless whether Tadic "understands" or "not understands":

If he only dreams to make a move towards abandoning our Southern province he will not end up well,that is as sure as the Amen in the church!

Ian, so many wars started by US and her posse. Again, Iraq is not over and has not been won. What are the Americans still doing there? Holidaying?

Are you honestly proud of starting so much bloodshed around the world? What exactly have you won? Do the Yanks have any respect around the world even with their allies these days? Sure, governments and some brainwashed individuals are all chanting USA, USA, but many people have no respect for English or Americans because of your thirst for blood.

The Falklands, why did England go to war there? How is this piece of land English? You think Kosovo should not belong to Serbia and it has been a part of Serbia for centuries and Serbs have no right to fight for it but somehow England has the right to fight for Falklands. Funny, double standards here and you seem to think Falklands was a victory. Military yes, morally no.

Please don't brag about all the wars your country and the US have started. It's so ugly and evil.

The real important stuff like Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan is a total screw up for you guys. It's not so hard to have CIA operatives stir trouble and start a war like in Yugoslavia or some poor Latin country but just try and actually occupy someone. OK, I stand corrected, you have occupied Kosovo, for now.
(Peggy, 30 April 2011 04:05)
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Recommend (+5)Poor comment (-5)What's thisMr Olli Rehn statement characterizing Russia/Serbia relations is false,dishonest and absurd.
Its callous low life approach to scare Serbia into submission in
accepting the dictate from those warmongers who still fights colonial wars.Mr. Rehn Serbs know,who their friends are.Russia did not bomb us
with uranium cluster bombs - you and your friends did.
(Luke Buyenovich, 29 April 2011 02:35)
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Recommend (+5)Poor comment (-1)What's thisit´s intersting that Ian tries in all seriousness to sell the Kumanovo agreement as a victory for the US!

given that they have tried to occupy the whole of the country, not only southern serbian KiM, and given that they have bombed Serbia and Montenegro for 78 days while only destroying 15 tanks in that time-period, and given that they tried to erase serbian sovereignty, one must say that they have achieved all but their objectives.

they´ve failed, and ...it was not only the US it was the biggest military alliance so far that was not capable of subduing Serbia.

so please do not fool yourself with this poor attempt of whitewashing.

even Sun Tsu once wrote that if you cannot subdue the enemy, you are losing.

ps: is our dear k-albanian friend from "frisco" losing his nerves? he´s writing quite strange things the last days...
(Jovan, 29 April 2011 01:06)
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Recommend (+7)Poor comment (-4)What's thisIraq is not won and never will be. If you had a victory there why don't you pack up and leave? Why are people still dying there?
Afghanistan is not going to get any better either.
How many wars has the US and her friends won since WW2?
From where I am standing, every war the US has started has ended up in disaster and a loss. Go on, just name one victory. Even Korea was a loss since now there are two of them, unless particion is seen as a win.
(Peggy, 27 April 2011 23:39)


We have packed up and left, we did that in April 2009 because the War is over. Historians say it is over, media say it is over, every single Government in the world says it is over. You think the Iraq War is still ongoing because once a blue moon the odd brainwashed Islamic fundamentalist blows himself up? That isn't a continuation of the Iraq War.
No-one is claiming that the UN forces won the Korean War, it is widely recognised as a stalemate.

US Victories:
2004 Haiti Rebellion: US, Brazil and Chile sent in troops to remove President Jean-Bertrand Aristide from power and were victorious.
The Iraq War is over.
Yugoslavia 1999: Objectives achieved
1998: Operation Desert Fox
1990-1: Gulf War
1989: US invasion of Panama
1983: US invasion of Grenada
1965-66: US invasion of the Dominican Republic

UK Victories:
Iraq War
2000: Sierra Leone
1999: Yugoslavia
1998: Operation Desert Fox
1990-1: Gulf War
1982: Falklands War
1962-75: Dhofar Rebellion in Oman
1962-1966: Indonesia–Malaysia Conflict
1962-66: Brunei Conflict
1952-60: Mau Mau Uprising


I think I have named more than one victory. Oh aye, I almost forgot; how about the Cold War?
(Ian, UK, 28 April 2011 10:33)
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Recommend (+3)Poor comment (-13)What's thisRegardless whether Tadic "understands" or "not understands":

If he only dreams to make a move towards abandoning our Southern province he will not end up well,that is as sure as the Amen in the church!
(CG, 28 April 2011 01:25)
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Recommend (+4)Poor comment (-1)What's thisIan says:
"Also what do you mean three in a row? Afghan is a stalemate, Iraq we clearly won and it is now long over (even though I was opposed to it);"
===…==

Iraq is not won and never will be. If you had a victory there why don't you pack up and leave? Why are people still dying there?
Afghanistan is not going to get any better either.
How many wars has the US and her friends won since WW2?
From where I am standing, every war the US has started has ended up in disaster and a loss. Go on, just name one victory. Even Korea was a loss since now there are two of them, unless particion is seen as a win.
(Peggy, 27 April 2011 23:39)
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Recommend (+5)Poor comment (-5)What's thisWithout Obama’s OK France or the UK would not scratch themselves let alone start a war. You will find that all of this is being stage managed by the US from the backrooms – it’s all image. You give the lackeys too much credit otherwise they would have gone it alone without the US in tow.
It was at the US behest that UK or France initiated UNCR 1970 or 1973. I think you will find that Russia has more brains than the entire EU plus US put together. The western powers have started another war not to protect people, but to take control of the oil in Libya since Iraq has become so poisonous for the US and its allies.
I can predict that the west will lose in Libya thus making it three wars in a row. It’s a fact now that Al Qaida has infiltrated the rebel movement and some of their operatives are in positions of command and its going to be a defeat no matter how you look at it. They are waiting for the US and their vassals to send troops on the ground in Libya and then Good Morning Iraq.
The UK and France are nothing more than windbags used by the US to project an image of “not an American action” – please give me a break, people were not born yesterday.
This I can tell you as I am in the business. If you think your government cut backs in expenditure are tough now wait till after Libya – the word nightmare will not do it justice. The UK is on the edge of civil unrest not seen in that country since Oliver Cromwell’s days.
(sj, 27 April 2011 13:20)

You may be right, the UK and France might not have gone into Libya without the US and their say so, but they're the ones who desperately want this conflict for several reasons. The US never does anything alone any more.
Also what do you mean three in a row? Afghan is a stalemate, Iraq we clearly won and it is now long over (even though I was opposed to it); Libya we will win as we're fighting a government not insurgents and guerillas like in Afghanistan. We have only been in Libya for just over 30 days, we were in Yugoslavia for 90 days, give us chance. We'll bomb Gaddafi forces until we're blue in the face. We'll make sure he has no tanks, armoured vehicles, planes, helicopters or ships left. We'll make it as easy as possible for the Rebels to push east.

As a modern Historian who has specialised in Thatcher's Britain I laughed when I read this quote by you: "The UK is on the edge of civil unrest not seen in that country since Oliver Cromwell’s days." What is happening now in the UK is NOTHING compared to the 1981 race riots, NOTHING compared to the 1984-5 Miner's Strike/ Riots and NOTHING compared to Poll Tax Riots. Also these recent protests in Britain were tiny compared to the Iraq War protests in 2003.
Everyone in the UK is under this fake illusion of a new wave of Britishness due the Royal Wedding on Friday. I'm sorry but that last sentence of yours was ridiculous. You're the one living in fantasy land. I've seen nothing to suggest civil unrest in Britain, I've not seen a single protest; the only ones I've seen have been on TV.
When I go into my local City of Bradford it is the same as usual, when I go to Sheffield to watch the Blades for a football match it is the same as usual. I've been to North Wales, Bolton, Leeds, Halifax, Huddersfield and Manchester recently, they're the same as usual. No signs of any civil unrest.

I think you want the UK to be on the edge of civil unrest, but it aint going to happen. Sure we love a good protest, but that's it.

The only thing that came anywhere close to civil unrest in the UK was when around 100-150 anarchists hijacked a peaceful student Protest in London. Are you really going to compare that to the English Civil Wars?
Please say that you were joking.
(Ian, UK, 27 April 2011 17:15)
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Recommend (+3)Poor comment (-2)What's this(Ian, UK, 27 April 2011 11:51)

Without Obama’s OK France or the UK would not scratch themselves let alone start a war. You will find that all of this is being stage managed by the US from the backrooms – it’s all image. You give the lackeys too much credit otherwise they would have gone it alone without the US in tow.
It was at the US behest that UK or France initiated UNCR 1970 or 1973. I think you will find that Russia has more brains than the entire EU plus US put together. The western powers have started another war not to protect people, but to take control of the oil in Libya since Iraq has become so poisonous for the US and its allies.
I can predict that the west will lose in Libya thus making it three wars in a row. It’s a fact now that Al Qaida has infiltrated the rebel movement and some of their operatives are in positions of command and its going to be a defeat no matter how you look at it. They are waiting for the US and their vassals to send troops on the ground in Libya and then Good Morning Iraq.
The UK and France are nothing more than windbags used by the US to project an image of “not an American action” – please give me a break, people were not born yesterday.
This I can tell you as I am in the business. If you think your government cut backs in expenditure are tough now wait till after Libya – the word nightmare will not do it justice. The UK is on the edge of civil unrest not seen in that country since Oliver Cromwell’s days.
(sj, 27 April 2011 13:20)
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Recommend (+5)Poor comment (-4)What's thisRussian policy towards Kosova is imoral: as it recognises the S. Osetia and Abkhasia but refuses to recognise Kosova.

While at the same time Putin says that from moral point of view S.Osetias, Ablahisas and Kosova's case are same: [link]

Some people disagree of course: [link]/

But still remains the fact that if Putin and Russia bealive that S. Ossetia and Kosova friom mroal point of view are the same then why recongise one but not the other dear Mr. Putin and Russia??? Hypocrites and bulls that's why.

The west is way more principled and smart: S. Ossetia and Kosova are not the same- ergo we recogise Kosova but not S. Ossettia.

But I guess when you put in same sentece the word moral and Russian politics you are sure that you have made a huge mistake.
(ben, 27 April 2011 12:26)
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Recommend (+5)Poor comment (-9)What's this(sj, 27 April 2011 00:30)

You obviously didn't read part of my comment so let me repeat it to you.

"Everything it does is for it's own interests. Arguably you could apply the same to the US and China, however the US is a superpower and China will be unlike Russia."

I think that shows that I recognise that the West (as well as China) also do things for their own interests. So I declare the second half or your comment null and void because you didn't bother to read my entire comment.

Now to the first half of your comment, I understand that the UK and France are no longer the powers they used to be. The UK and France are not "wannabes", they fully understand their size, they don't want to be or claim to be superpowers/ future superpowers. However saying that, the Western Intervention in Libya is pretty much a Cameron-Sarkozy project, Obama is not too keen on it in comparison. It was the UK who wrote UNSCR 1970 and 1973, France is the most militarily involved in Libya and want more action. The UK and France are nowhere near as big as they used to be but they know what they can achieve unlike Russia.
(Ian, UK, 27 April 2011 11:51)
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Recommend (+5)Poor comment (-6)What's thisI think this is a comment worth remembering. I think I'd like to bring it back to you in the future and see how embarrassed you look. You seem to have a rather useless Crystal Ball.
(Ian, UK, 27 April 2011 00:38)
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Yes Ian, please book mark it and remember to dust it off every now and then. What I am saying is that "Kosova" will never become a legitimate independent state. That idea is long buried and never lived to begin with.

As for your comments about Russia, seems your tunnel vision is deceiving you. Russia is currently the world's largest energy supplier while its neighbour China is the world's largest energy consumer. The US on the other hand is the world's largest indebted country. So we have the resurging and emerging countries against the indebted. I know where my bets are placed.
(Zoran, 27 April 2011 11:22)
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Recommend (+9)Poor comment (-7)What's thisNot a single evidence, not even a single victim.
(Dodosour, 26 April 2011 19:36)

How do you know that mate? Have you been there?
(Avram, 27 April 2011 09:11)
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Recommend (+7)Poor comment (-5)What's this"Russian Kosovo policy is bad for Serbia" !!!???

"Serbia's leadership did not accept that Russia's Kosovo policy went against the country's interests. "

Their Kosovo policy is simple - "We will accept what Serbia accepts. We will support any solution acceptable for Serbia".

Russia doesn't have a clear policy towards Kosovo. It's willing to support Serbia in their policy.
If Serbia wants to recognize Kosovo, Russia is willing, too.
If Serbia wants to approve EULEX, Russia give green light at UN Security Council.

And Rehn goes to tell us that Russia's policy goes against Serbian best interest?
It only means that Serbian policy goes against our best interests. Russia merely approves of Serbian policy.

Most of Western countries have following policy - "We will do in Kosovo as we wish. We don't care what is acceptable or not for Serbia, nor we care about Serbian interests. Not even a bit."

Let's now read his message - "Serbians should not rule Serbia, as this is not in their interests. West should."

Another attempt to remove every, even formal independence from Serbia?
(Sreten, 27 April 2011 04:25)
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Recommend (+11)Poor comment (-3)What's thisKeep dreaming my friend. "Kosova" is long buried and dead. In fact, it never lived and we can thank Russia (and China) for that.
(Zoran, 26 April 2011 20:23)

I think this is a comment worth remembering. I think I'd like to bring it back to you in the future and see how embarrassed you look. You seem to have a rather useless Crystal Ball.
(Ian, UK, 27 April 2011 00:38)
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Recommend (+3)Poor comment (-11)What's this(Ian, UK, 26 April 2011 18:32)

Naturally the UK is on the ascendency in world power. In fact the US is the only power amongst the hanger-on such as France and the UK so why is the US dragging these wannabees along?

Oh no don’t tell me that Russia does things because of self interest and the west does them out of love and good will.

You really have to stop living in fantasyland and writing this nonsense..


(FREEDOM, 26 April 2011 15:12)


12 years of status quo and “Kosovas” chances are getting better by the decade eh? Its better to keep you as your are and you will disappear before the worlds eyes.

Year 13, more of the same, year 14, more of the same. Enjoy.
(sj, 27 April 2011 00:30)
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Recommend (+9)Poor comment (-5)What's thisWhy on earth should Serbs pay any attention to what this man says?
Honestly, do some people think that Serbs are that stupid?
Without Russia we would've already lost Kosovo without any hope of ever getting it back.
If this runs in line with Russia's interest then even better but to think that these people like Ollie are doing anything in Serbia's interest is laughable. Sure, losing 15% of your territory is good for you Serbia. Why can't you see that? A friend who backs up a victim and works hard at preventing the thief to enjoy their booty is bad but all those others who are trying to help the thief enjoy their booty are good. Now who is telling porkies here?
(Peggy, 26 April 2011 23:06)
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Recommend (+9)Poor comment (-4)What's thisKosova's chances are getting only better.

Tung
(FREEDOM, 26 April 2011 15:12)
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Keep dreaming my friend. "Kosova" is long buried and dead. In fact, it never lived and we can thank Russia (and China) for that.
(Zoran, 26 April 2011 20:23)
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Recommend (+19)Poor comment (-13)What's this"I have not heard Rehn's nor Ahtisaari's comments regarding organ harvesting case. Poor old Marti(the puppet) Ahtisaari should have at least commented something, he is Nobel prize winner.
(Avram, 26 "

What comment you wanted? Well done Serbia, from Sharon Stone and George Cloony your lies are getting more interesting but you are still a lier?

Not a single evidence, not even a single victim.
MAkes you think what crazy people are trying to push through to look "clean and civilized Christians". Too late to start reinventing the new Serbia, you are still 2 genocidal killers up and running.
(Dodosour, 26 April 2011 19:36)
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Recommend (+11)Poor comment (-18)What's thisRussia's recognition of Abkhazia and Ossetia tells the West "anything you can do, I can do too". Therefore it undermines the outright lie by the west that recognition of Kosovo "does not set a precedent" as the west refuses to recognize Abkhazia and Ossetia for the the same (unstated) reason.

It effectively draws a line under such illegal political actions and hopefully will stop the unraveling of the Treaty of Westphalia that has more or less been the basis of the sovereign state for the last 400 years.

Only time will tell if it is too late. As we have seen with President Wilson's concept of a people's "right to self-determination" took a while to catch on, the clearest example being adopted by lawyer in south africa who returned home to his colonially ruled country and started a campaign of peaceful resistance to the oppressors. His name was Muhatma 'Babu' Ghandi.
(Aleks, 26 April 2011 19:16)
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Recommend (+15)Poor comment (-7)What's thisIt is high time for Serbia to finally orient herself toward EU and NATO. All what has happening, insecurity and instability derives from the fact that Serbia is not member neither of these two Institutions. Srbia behaves as an half-independent state giving Russians favourable position. Serbian diplomay is extremely shortminded and naive.
(Constantinos the Great, 26 April 2011 16:00)

Boat number 14, come in please, Your free milk and honey is now available. Repeat, come in please.
(Boating Lake Attendant, 26 April 2011 19:06)
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Recommend (+8)Poor comment (-9)What's thisRussia is a declining power, it is too reliant on it's neighbours. It's influence doesn't go too far beyond a handful of Latin American countries and former Soviet nations. All Russia will ever be is a regional power. Russia wants to mean something again like it did before the break up of the Soviet Union. This is why Russia is so keen on this BRICS project, a forum for wannabe superpowers with China the only serious contender. BRICS would be a joke without China.

I fear that too many Serbs are under the illusion that Russia is this all powerful country wanting to protect the interests of Serbia like it did in WW1. Present day Russia is not that powerful, Russia only cares about itself. Russia wants to mean something, that is why Russia would rather spend billions on it's military while it's people stare is certain areas of Russia. Not to mention that ethnic Russians make up less than 80% of Russia population, lots of people want out of Russia.

Don't get me wrong, I love Russia, it is a great country. But politically Russia isn't the friend best friend to have. Everything it does is for it's own interests. Arguably you could apply the same to the US and China, however the US is a superpower and China will be unlike Russia.

I'm just saying that Serbia shouldn't rely on Russia too much.
(Ian, UK, 26 April 2011 18:32)


Ian, I understand where you are coming from in your position, and I also recognize you offer advice in an entirely good faith manner with no vile. However, you have to understand that when one side (US, UK, France, etc.) is trying to amputate an extremely important and culturally critical portion of your country thorough force, money and intimidation, It is not logical for Serbia to embrace those who are trying to dismember it. UN Security Council Resolution 1244 and history establishes that Kosovo is a province of Serbia; Russia is not trying to amputate Serbian territory. Serbia has no choice.

"Mr Tadic has no guts!"

So, what's new. Not a single Serbs has except maybe your former president, Mr Dzinciq.

22 of 27 has recognized Kosova and majority counts. And these 22 countries include also the world powers whereas Slovakija, Greece, ... (beggar states) are not.

As long as Serbia (The Puppet) keeps headed towards Russia (The Puppet-master) Kosova's chances are getting only better.

Tung

It is high time for Serbia to finally orient herself toward EU and NATO. All what has happening, insecurity and instability derives from the fact that Serbia is not member neither of these two Institutions. Srbia behaves as an half-independent state giving Russians favourable position. Serbian diplomay is extremely shortminded and naive.

Rehn further stated that Moscow's policy to prevent a UN Security Council resolution that would "mandate Kosovo's independence" was "solely in its own interest".

Of course. The fear is to create a precendence case for all ethnic minorities. For the same reason, 5 out of the 27 EU memmber states didn't recognize Kosovo.
On the other hand, the recognition of Kosovo by a lot of other European states was solely in their own interests, too. Mainly for sending back all the refuguees and asylum seekers back to Kosovo, the new multi-ethnic dream state. What else should the reason to be establish a corrupt state where many politicians often are connected to mafia and who think manipulating elections is okay in the middle of Europe?

once again B92 is spreading anti-serb propaganda...
it´s quite the opposite,
in the long term everything is heading in the right direction, but that is something Mr.Rehn wouldn´t officially admit. time is working for Serbia, and the pressure the US are exerting on little pacific islands and other smaller entities to " recognize " is showing that in the state department they know that very well.

the BRIC countries have not "recognized", and they know very well too, why they didn´t.

You can not expect anything better from the man who was one of those who suggested Ahtisaari for Nobel peace prize. Finland will do everything in order to be against Russia, does not matter is it right or wrong. I have not heard Rehn's nor Ahtisaari's comments regarding organ harvesting case. Poor old Marti(the puppet) Ahtisaari should have at least commented something, he is Nobel prize winner.

Lies like these help turn Serbs away from the EU bc it's obvious they want us to be divided & conquered slaves. RUS policy on KiM is part of a greater policy to make us the regional superpower that will charge the EU exorbitant transit fees that will be re-invested in Gazprom-like companies that'll buy up EU companies for chump-change after their next recession.

"I have not heard Rehn's nor Ahtisaari's comments regarding organ harvesting case. Poor old Marti(the puppet) Ahtisaari should have at least commented something, he is Nobel prize winner.
(Avram, 26 "

What comment you wanted? Well done Serbia, from Sharon Stone and George Cloony your lies are getting more interesting but you are still a lier?

Not a single evidence, not even a single victim.
MAkes you think what crazy people are trying to push through to look "clean and civilized Christians". Too late to start reinventing the new Serbia, you are still 2 genocidal killers up and running.

Russia is a declining power, it is too reliant on it's neighbours. It's influence doesn't go too far beyond a handful of Latin American countries and former Soviet nations. All Russia will ever be is a regional power. Russia wants to mean something again like it did before the break up of the Soviet Union. This is why Russia is so keen on this BRICS project, a forum for wannabe superpowers with China the only serious contender. BRICS would be a joke without China.

I fear that too many Serbs are under the illusion that Russia is this all powerful country wanting to protect the interests of Serbia like it did in WW1. Present day Russia is not that powerful, Russia only cares about itself. Russia wants to mean something, that is why Russia would rather spend billions on it's military while it's people stare is certain areas of Russia. Not to mention that ethnic Russians make up less than 80% of Russia population, lots of people want out of Russia.

Don't get me wrong, I love Russia, it is a great country. But politically Russia isn't the friend best friend to have. Everything it does is for it's own interests. Arguably you could apply the same to the US and China, however the US is a superpower and China will be unlike Russia.

I'm just saying that Serbia shouldn't rely on Russia too much.

Kosova's chances are getting only better.

Tung
(FREEDOM, 26 April 2011 15:12)
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Keep dreaming my friend. "Kosova" is long buried and dead. In fact, it never lived and we can thank Russia (and China) for that.

"Of course. The fear is to create a precendence case for all ethnic minorities."

what a shop-worn argument :).

What else should the reason to be establish a corrupt state where many politicians often are connected to mafia and who think manipulating elections is okay in the middle of Europe?
(Top, 26 April 2011 13:02)

Manipulation is better than speculation.

Why do you think Russians recognized South Ossetia and Abkhazia? They care a lot about Serbia.

Iraq is not won and never will be. If you had a victory there why don't you pack up and leave? Why are people still dying there?
Afghanistan is not going to get any better either.
How many wars has the US and her friends won since WW2?
From where I am standing, every war the US has started has ended up in disaster and a loss. Go on, just name one victory. Even Korea was a loss since now there are two of them, unless particion is seen as a win.
(Peggy, 27 April 2011 23:39)


We have packed up and left, we did that in April 2009 because the War is over. Historians say it is over, media say it is over, every single Government in the world says it is over. You think the Iraq War is still ongoing because once a blue moon the odd brainwashed Islamic fundamentalist blows himself up? That isn't a continuation of the Iraq War.
No-one is claiming that the UN forces won the Korean War, it is widely recognised as a stalemate.

US Victories:
2004 Haiti Rebellion: US, Brazil and Chile sent in troops to remove President Jean-Bertrand Aristide from power and were victorious.
The Iraq War is over.
Yugoslavia 1999: Objectives achieved
1998: Operation Desert Fox
1990-1: Gulf War
1989: US invasion of Panama
1983: US invasion of Grenada
1965-66: US invasion of the Dominican Republic

UK Victories:
Iraq War
2000: Sierra Leone
1999: Yugoslavia
1998: Operation Desert Fox
1990-1: Gulf War
1982: Falklands War
1962-75: Dhofar Rebellion in Oman
1962-1966: Indonesia–Malaysia Conflict
1962-66: Brunei Conflict
1952-60: Mau Mau Uprising


I think I have named more than one victory. Oh aye, I almost forgot; how about the Cold War?

Keep dreaming my friend. "Kosova" is long buried and dead. In fact, it never lived and we can thank Russia (and China) for that.
(Zoran, 26 April 2011 20:23)

I think this is a comment worth remembering. I think I'd like to bring it back to you in the future and see how embarrassed you look. You seem to have a rather useless Crystal Ball.

It is high time for Serbia to finally orient herself toward EU and NATO. All what has happening, insecurity and instability derives from the fact that Serbia is not member neither of these two Institutions. Srbia behaves as an half-independent state giving Russians favourable position. Serbian diplomay is extremely shortminded and naive.
(Constantinos the Great, 26 April 2011 16:00)

Boat number 14, come in please, Your free milk and honey is now available. Repeat, come in please.

Russia's recognition of Abkhazia and Ossetia tells the West "anything you can do, I can do too". Therefore it undermines the outright lie by the west that recognition of Kosovo "does not set a precedent" as the west refuses to recognize Abkhazia and Ossetia for the the same (unstated) reason.

It effectively draws a line under such illegal political actions and hopefully will stop the unraveling of the Treaty of Westphalia that has more or less been the basis of the sovereign state for the last 400 years.

Only time will tell if it is too late. As we have seen with President Wilson's concept of a people's "right to self-determination" took a while to catch on, the clearest example being adopted by lawyer in south africa who returned home to his colonially ruled country and started a campaign of peaceful resistance to the oppressors. His name was Muhatma 'Babu' Ghandi.

The US blew it's chances when it invaded Iraq. After 9/11, the Russians were ready to back the US in the fight against terrorism, the Taliban etc., but then GWB attacked Bagdad and that was the end of the goodwill. I'm not saying that Russia would have ever supported Kosovo independence, but perhaps the whole atmosphere around the negotiations would have been better, with each side willing to give and take a little more... We'll never know...

I think this is a comment worth remembering. I think I'd like to bring it back to you in the future and see how embarrassed you look. You seem to have a rather useless Crystal Ball.
(Ian, UK, 27 April 2011 00:38)
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Yes Ian, please book mark it and remember to dust it off every now and then. What I am saying is that "Kosova" will never become a legitimate independent state. That idea is long buried and never lived to begin with.

As for your comments about Russia, seems your tunnel vision is deceiving you. Russia is currently the world's largest energy supplier while its neighbour China is the world's largest energy consumer. The US on the other hand is the world's largest indebted country. So we have the resurging and emerging countries against the indebted. I know where my bets are placed.

Russian policy towards Kosova is imoral: as it recognises the S. Osetia and Abkhasia but refuses to recognise Kosova.

While at the same time Putin says that from moral point of view S.Osetias, Ablahisas and Kosova's case are same: http://www.georgiatimes.info/en/news/19939.html

Some people disagree of course: http://www.slate.com/id/2197704/

But still remains the fact that if Putin and Russia bealive that S. Ossetia and Kosova friom mroal point of view are the same then why recongise one but not the other dear Mr. Putin and Russia??? Hypocrites and bulls that's why.

The west is way more principled and smart: S. Ossetia and Kosova are not the same- ergo we recogise Kosova but not S. Ossettia.

But I guess when you put in same sentece the word moral and Russian politics you are sure that you have made a huge mistake.

(Ian, UK, 26 April 2011 18:32)

Naturally the UK is on the ascendency in world power. In fact the US is the only power amongst the hanger-on such as France and the UK so why is the US dragging these wannabees along?

Oh no don’t tell me that Russia does things because of self interest and the west does them out of love and good will.

You really have to stop living in fantasyland and writing this nonsense..


(FREEDOM, 26 April 2011 15:12)


12 years of status quo and “Kosovas” chances are getting better by the decade eh? Its better to keep you as your are and you will disappear before the worlds eyes.

Year 13, more of the same, year 14, more of the same. Enjoy.

Not a single evidence, not even a single victim.
(Dodosour, 26 April 2011 19:36)

How do you know that mate? Have you been there?

(sj, 27 April 2011 00:30)

You obviously didn't read part of my comment so let me repeat it to you.

"Everything it does is for it's own interests. Arguably you could apply the same to the US and China, however the US is a superpower and China will be unlike Russia."

I think that shows that I recognise that the West (as well as China) also do things for their own interests. So I declare the second half or your comment null and void because you didn't bother to read my entire comment.

Now to the first half of your comment, I understand that the UK and France are no longer the powers they used to be. The UK and France are not "wannabes", they fully understand their size, they don't want to be or claim to be superpowers/ future superpowers. However saying that, the Western Intervention in Libya is pretty much a Cameron-Sarkozy project, Obama is not too keen on it in comparison. It was the UK who wrote UNSCR 1970 and 1973, France is the most militarily involved in Libya and want more action. The UK and France are nowhere near as big as they used to be but they know what they can achieve unlike Russia.

(Ian, UK, 27 April 2011 11:51)

Without Obama’s OK France or the UK would not scratch themselves let alone start a war. You will find that all of this is being stage managed by the US from the backrooms – it’s all image. You give the lackeys too much credit otherwise they would have gone it alone without the US in tow.
It was at the US behest that UK or France initiated UNCR 1970 or 1973. I think you will find that Russia has more brains than the entire EU plus US put together. The western powers have started another war not to protect people, but to take control of the oil in Libya since Iraq has become so poisonous for the US and its allies.
I can predict that the west will lose in Libya thus making it three wars in a row. It’s a fact now that Al Qaida has infiltrated the rebel movement and some of their operatives are in positions of command and its going to be a defeat no matter how you look at it. They are waiting for the US and their vassals to send troops on the ground in Libya and then Good Morning Iraq.
The UK and France are nothing more than windbags used by the US to project an image of “not an American action” – please give me a break, people were not born yesterday.
This I can tell you as I am in the business. If you think your government cut backs in expenditure are tough now wait till after Libya – the word nightmare will not do it justice. The UK is on the edge of civil unrest not seen in that country since Oliver Cromwell’s days.

Ian says:
"Also what do you mean three in a row? Afghan is a stalemate, Iraq we clearly won and it is now long over (even though I was opposed to it);"
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Iraq is not won and never will be. If you had a victory there why don't you pack up and leave? Why are people still dying there?
Afghanistan is not going to get any better either.
How many wars has the US and her friends won since WW2?
From where I am standing, every war the US has started has ended up in disaster and a loss. Go on, just name one victory. Even Korea was a loss since now there are two of them, unless particion is seen as a win.

it´s intersting that Ian tries in all seriousness to sell the Kumanovo agreement as a victory for the US!

given that they have tried to occupy the whole of the country, not only southern serbian KiM, and given that they have bombed Serbia and Montenegro for 78 days while only destroying 15 tanks in that time-period, and given that they tried to erase serbian sovereignty, one must say that they have achieved all but their objectives.

they´ve failed, and ...it was not only the US it was the biggest military alliance so far that was not capable of subduing Serbia.

so please do not fool yourself with this poor attempt of whitewashing.

even Sun Tsu once wrote that if you cannot subdue the enemy, you are losing.

ps: is our dear k-albanian friend from "frisco" losing his nerves? he´s writing quite strange things the last days...

Ian, so many wars started by US and her posse. Again, Iraq is not over and has not been won. What are the Americans still doing there? Holidaying?

Are you honestly proud of starting so much bloodshed around the world? What exactly have you won? Do the Yanks have any respect around the world even with their allies these days? Sure, governments and some brainwashed individuals are all chanting USA, USA, but many people have no respect for English or Americans because of your thirst for blood.

The Falklands, why did England go to war there? How is this piece of land English? You think Kosovo should not belong to Serbia and it has been a part of Serbia for centuries and Serbs have no right to fight for it but somehow England has the right to fight for Falklands. Funny, double standards here and you seem to think Falklands was a victory. Military yes, morally no.

Please don't brag about all the wars your country and the US have started. It's so ugly and evil.

The real important stuff like Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan is a total screw up for you guys. It's not so hard to have CIA operatives stir trouble and start a war like in Yugoslavia or some poor Latin country but just try and actually occupy someone. OK, I stand corrected, you have occupied Kosovo, for now.

Why on earth should Serbs pay any attention to what this man says?
Honestly, do some people think that Serbs are that stupid?
Without Russia we would've already lost Kosovo without any hope of ever getting it back.
If this runs in line with Russia's interest then even better but to think that these people like Ollie are doing anything in Serbia's interest is laughable. Sure, losing 15% of your territory is good for you Serbia. Why can't you see that? A friend who backs up a victim and works hard at preventing the thief to enjoy their booty is bad but all those others who are trying to help the thief enjoy their booty are good. Now who is telling porkies here?

"Russian Kosovo policy is bad for Serbia" !!!???

"Serbia's leadership did not accept that Russia's Kosovo policy went against the country's interests. "

Their Kosovo policy is simple - "We will accept what Serbia accepts. We will support any solution acceptable for Serbia".

Russia doesn't have a clear policy towards Kosovo. It's willing to support Serbia in their policy.
If Serbia wants to recognize Kosovo, Russia is willing, too.
If Serbia wants to approve EULEX, Russia give green light at UN Security Council.

And Rehn goes to tell us that Russia's policy goes against Serbian best interest?
It only means that Serbian policy goes against our best interests. Russia merely approves of Serbian policy.

Most of Western countries have following policy - "We will do in Kosovo as we wish. We don't care what is acceptable or not for Serbia, nor we care about Serbian interests. Not even a bit."

Let's now read his message - "Serbians should not rule Serbia, as this is not in their interests. West should."

Another attempt to remove every, even formal independence from Serbia?

Mr Olli Rehn statement characterizing Russia/Serbia relations is false,dishonest and absurd.
Its callous low life approach to scare Serbia into submission in
accepting the dictate from those warmongers who still fights colonial wars.Mr. Rehn Serbs know,who their friends are.Russia did not bomb us
with uranium cluster bombs - you and your friends did.

Without Obama’s OK France or the UK would not scratch themselves let alone start a war. You will find that all of this is being stage managed by the US from the backrooms – it’s all image. You give the lackeys too much credit otherwise they would have gone it alone without the US in tow.
It was at the US behest that UK or France initiated UNCR 1970 or 1973. I think you will find that Russia has more brains than the entire EU plus US put together. The western powers have started another war not to protect people, but to take control of the oil in Libya since Iraq has become so poisonous for the US and its allies.
I can predict that the west will lose in Libya thus making it three wars in a row. It’s a fact now that Al Qaida has infiltrated the rebel movement and some of their operatives are in positions of command and its going to be a defeat no matter how you look at it. They are waiting for the US and their vassals to send troops on the ground in Libya and then Good Morning Iraq.
The UK and France are nothing more than windbags used by the US to project an image of “not an American action” – please give me a break, people were not born yesterday.
This I can tell you as I am in the business. If you think your government cut backs in expenditure are tough now wait till after Libya – the word nightmare will not do it justice. The UK is on the edge of civil unrest not seen in that country since Oliver Cromwell’s days.
(sj, 27 April 2011 13:20)

You may be right, the UK and France might not have gone into Libya without the US and their say so, but they're the ones who desperately want this conflict for several reasons. The US never does anything alone any more.
Also what do you mean three in a row? Afghan is a stalemate, Iraq we clearly won and it is now long over (even though I was opposed to it); Libya we will win as we're fighting a government not insurgents and guerillas like in Afghanistan. We have only been in Libya for just over 30 days, we were in Yugoslavia for 90 days, give us chance. We'll bomb Gaddafi forces until we're blue in the face. We'll make sure he has no tanks, armoured vehicles, planes, helicopters or ships left. We'll make it as easy as possible for the Rebels to push east.

As a modern Historian who has specialised in Thatcher's Britain I laughed when I read this quote by you: "The UK is on the edge of civil unrest not seen in that country since Oliver Cromwell’s days." What is happening now in the UK is NOTHING compared to the 1981 race riots, NOTHING compared to the 1984-5 Miner's Strike/ Riots and NOTHING compared to Poll Tax Riots. Also these recent protests in Britain were tiny compared to the Iraq War protests in 2003.
Everyone in the UK is under this fake illusion of a new wave of Britishness due the Royal Wedding on Friday. I'm sorry but that last sentence of yours was ridiculous. You're the one living in fantasy land. I've seen nothing to suggest civil unrest in Britain, I've not seen a single protest; the only ones I've seen have been on TV.
When I go into my local City of Bradford it is the same as usual, when I go to Sheffield to watch the Blades for a football match it is the same as usual. I've been to North Wales, Bolton, Leeds, Halifax, Huddersfield and Manchester recently, they're the same as usual. No signs of any civil unrest.

I think you want the UK to be on the edge of civil unrest, but it aint going to happen. Sure we love a good protest, but that's it.

The only thing that came anywhere close to civil unrest in the UK was when around 100-150 anarchists hijacked a peaceful student Protest in London. Are you really going to compare that to the English Civil Wars?
Please say that you were joking.

Regardless whether Tadic "understands" or "not understands":

If he only dreams to make a move towards abandoning our Southern province he will not end up well,that is as sure as the Amen in the church!

Ian, so many wars started by US and her posse. Again, Iraq is not over and has not been won. What are the Americans still doing there? Holidaying?

Are you honestly proud of starting so much bloodshed around the world? What exactly have you won? Do the Yanks have any respect around the world even with their allies these days? Sure, governments and some brainwashed individuals are all chanting USA, USA, but many people have no respect for English or Americans because of your thirst for blood.

The Falklands, why did England go to war there? How is this piece of land English? You think Kosovo should not belong to Serbia and it has been a part of Serbia for centuries and Serbs have no right to fight for it but somehow England has the right to fight for Falklands. Funny, double standards here and you seem to think Falklands was a victory. Military yes, morally no.

Please don't brag about all the wars your country and the US have started. It's so ugly and evil.

The real important stuff like Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan is a total screw up for you guys. It's not so hard to have CIA operatives stir trouble and start a war like in Yugoslavia or some poor Latin country but just try and actually occupy someone. OK, I stand corrected, you have occupied Kosovo, for now.
(Peggy, 30 April 2011 04:05)
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Recommend (+5)Poor comment (-5)What's thisMr Olli Rehn statement characterizing Russia/Serbia relations is false,dishonest and absurd.
Its callous low life approach to scare Serbia into submission in
accepting the dictate from those warmongers who still fights colonial wars.Mr. Rehn Serbs know,who their friends are.Russia did not bomb us
with uranium cluster bombs - you and your friends did.
(Luke Buyenovich, 29 April 2011 02:35)
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Recommend (+5)Poor comment (-1)What's thisit´s intersting that Ian tries in all seriousness to sell the Kumanovo agreement as a victory for the US!

given that they have tried to occupy the whole of the country, not only southern serbian KiM, and given that they have bombed Serbia and Montenegro for 78 days while only destroying 15 tanks in that time-period, and given that they tried to erase serbian sovereignty, one must say that they have achieved all but their objectives.

they´ve failed, and ...it was not only the US it was the biggest military alliance so far that was not capable of subduing Serbia.

so please do not fool yourself with this poor attempt of whitewashing.

even Sun Tsu once wrote that if you cannot subdue the enemy, you are losing.

ps: is our dear k-albanian friend from "frisco" losing his nerves? he´s writing quite strange things the last days...
(Jovan, 29 April 2011 01:06)
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Recommend (+7)Poor comment (-4)What's thisIraq is not won and never will be. If you had a victory there why don't you pack up and leave? Why are people still dying there?
Afghanistan is not going to get any better either.
How many wars has the US and her friends won since WW2?
From where I am standing, every war the US has started has ended up in disaster and a loss. Go on, just name one victory. Even Korea was a loss since now there are two of them, unless particion is seen as a win.
(Peggy, 27 April 2011 23:39)


We have packed up and left, we did that in April 2009 because the War is over. Historians say it is over, media say it is over, every single Government in the world says it is over. You think the Iraq War is still ongoing because once a blue moon the odd brainwashed Islamic fundamentalist blows himself up? That isn't a continuation of the Iraq War.
No-one is claiming that the UN forces won the Korean War, it is widely recognised as a stalemate.

US Victories:
2004 Haiti Rebellion: US, Brazil and Chile sent in troops to remove President Jean-Bertrand Aristide from power and were victorious.
The Iraq War is over.
Yugoslavia 1999: Objectives achieved
1998: Operation Desert Fox
1990-1: Gulf War
1989: US invasion of Panama
1983: US invasion of Grenada
1965-66: US invasion of the Dominican Republic

UK Victories:
Iraq War
2000: Sierra Leone
1999: Yugoslavia
1998: Operation Desert Fox
1990-1: Gulf War
1982: Falklands War
1962-75: Dhofar Rebellion in Oman
1962-1966: Indonesia–Malaysia Conflict
1962-66: Brunei Conflict
1952-60: Mau Mau Uprising


I think I have named more than one victory. Oh aye, I almost forgot; how about the Cold War?
(Ian, UK, 28 April 2011 10:33)
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Recommend (+3)Poor comment (-13)What's thisRegardless whether Tadic "understands" or "not understands":

If he only dreams to make a move towards abandoning our Southern province he will not end up well,that is as sure as the Amen in the church!
(CG, 28 April 2011 01:25)
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Recommend (+4)Poor comment (-1)What's thisIan says:
"Also what do you mean three in a row? Afghan is a stalemate, Iraq we clearly won and it is now long over (even though I was opposed to it);"
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Iraq is not won and never will be. If you had a victory there why don't you pack up and leave? Why are people still dying there?
Afghanistan is not going to get any better either.
How many wars has the US and her friends won since WW2?
From where I am standing, every war the US has started has ended up in disaster and a loss. Go on, just name one victory. Even Korea was a loss since now there are two of them, unless particion is seen as a win.
(Peggy, 27 April 2011 23:39)
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Recommend (+5)Poor comment (-5)What's thisWithout Obama’s OK France or the UK would not scratch themselves let alone start a war. You will find that all of this is being stage managed by the US from the backrooms – it’s all image. You give the lackeys too much credit otherwise they would have gone it alone without the US in tow.
It was at the US behest that UK or France initiated UNCR 1970 or 1973. I think you will find that Russia has more brains than the entire EU plus US put together. The western powers have started another war not to protect people, but to take control of the oil in Libya since Iraq has become so poisonous for the US and its allies.
I can predict that the west will lose in Libya thus making it three wars in a row. It’s a fact now that Al Qaida has infiltrated the rebel movement and some of their operatives are in positions of command and its going to be a defeat no matter how you look at it. They are waiting for the US and their vassals to send troops on the ground in Libya and then Good Morning Iraq.
The UK and France are nothing more than windbags used by the US to project an image of “not an American action” – please give me a break, people were not born yesterday.
This I can tell you as I am in the business. If you think your government cut backs in expenditure are tough now wait till after Libya – the word nightmare will not do it justice. The UK is on the edge of civil unrest not seen in that country since Oliver Cromwell’s days.
(sj, 27 April 2011 13:20)

You may be right, the UK and France might not have gone into Libya without the US and their say so, but they're the ones who desperately want this conflict for several reasons. The US never does anything alone any more.
Also what do you mean three in a row? Afghan is a stalemate, Iraq we clearly won and it is now long over (even though I was opposed to it); Libya we will win as we're fighting a government not insurgents and guerillas like in Afghanistan. We have only been in Libya for just over 30 days, we were in Yugoslavia for 90 days, give us chance. We'll bomb Gaddafi forces until we're blue in the face. We'll make sure he has no tanks, armoured vehicles, planes, helicopters or ships left. We'll make it as easy as possible for the Rebels to push east.

As a modern Historian who has specialised in Thatcher's Britain I laughed when I read this quote by you: "The UK is on the edge of civil unrest not seen in that country since Oliver Cromwell’s days." What is happening now in the UK is NOTHING compared to the 1981 race riots, NOTHING compared to the 1984-5 Miner's Strike/ Riots and NOTHING compared to Poll Tax Riots. Also these recent protests in Britain were tiny compared to the Iraq War protests in 2003.
Everyone in the UK is under this fake illusion of a new wave of Britishness due the Royal Wedding on Friday. I'm sorry but that last sentence of yours was ridiculous. You're the one living in fantasy land. I've seen nothing to suggest civil unrest in Britain, I've not seen a single protest; the only ones I've seen have been on TV.
When I go into my local City of Bradford it is the same as usual, when I go to Sheffield to watch the Blades for a football match it is the same as usual. I've been to North Wales, Bolton, Leeds, Halifax, Huddersfield and Manchester recently, they're the same as usual. No signs of any civil unrest.

I think you want the UK to be on the edge of civil unrest, but it aint going to happen. Sure we love a good protest, but that's it.

The only thing that came anywhere close to civil unrest in the UK was when around 100-150 anarchists hijacked a peaceful student Protest in London. Are you really going to compare that to the English Civil Wars?
Please say that you were joking.
(Ian, UK, 27 April 2011 17:15)
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Recommend (+3)Poor comment (-2)What's this(Ian, UK, 27 April 2011 11:51)

Without Obama’s OK France or the UK would not scratch themselves let alone start a war. You will find that all of this is being stage managed by the US from the backrooms – it’s all image. You give the lackeys too much credit otherwise they would have gone it alone without the US in tow.
It was at the US behest that UK or France initiated UNCR 1970 or 1973. I think you will find that Russia has more brains than the entire EU plus US put together. The western powers have started another war not to protect people, but to take control of the oil in Libya since Iraq has become so poisonous for the US and its allies.
I can predict that the west will lose in Libya thus making it three wars in a row. It’s a fact now that Al Qaida has infiltrated the rebel movement and some of their operatives are in positions of command and its going to be a defeat no matter how you look at it. They are waiting for the US and their vassals to send troops on the ground in Libya and then Good Morning Iraq.
The UK and France are nothing more than windbags used by the US to project an image of “not an American action” – please give me a break, people were not born yesterday.
This I can tell you as I am in the business. If you think your government cut backs in expenditure are tough now wait till after Libya – the word nightmare will not do it justice. The UK is on the edge of civil unrest not seen in that country since Oliver Cromwell’s days.
(sj, 27 April 2011 13:20)
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Recommend (+5)Poor comment (-4)What's thisRussian policy towards Kosova is imoral: as it recognises the S. Osetia and Abkhasia but refuses to recognise Kosova.

While at the same time Putin says that from moral point of view S.Osetias, Ablahisas and Kosova's case are same: [link]

Some people disagree of course: [link]/

But still remains the fact that if Putin and Russia bealive that S. Ossetia and Kosova friom mroal point of view are the same then why recongise one but not the other dear Mr. Putin and Russia??? Hypocrites and bulls that's why.

The west is way more principled and smart: S. Ossetia and Kosova are not the same- ergo we recogise Kosova but not S. Ossettia.

But I guess when you put in same sentece the word moral and Russian politics you are sure that you have made a huge mistake.
(ben, 27 April 2011 12:26)
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Recommend (+5)Poor comment (-9)What's this(sj, 27 April 2011 00:30)

You obviously didn't read part of my comment so let me repeat it to you.

"Everything it does is for it's own interests. Arguably you could apply the same to the US and China, however the US is a superpower and China will be unlike Russia."

I think that shows that I recognise that the West (as well as China) also do things for their own interests. So I declare the second half or your comment null and void because you didn't bother to read my entire comment.

Now to the first half of your comment, I understand that the UK and France are no longer the powers they used to be. The UK and France are not "wannabes", they fully understand their size, they don't want to be or claim to be superpowers/ future superpowers. However saying that, the Western Intervention in Libya is pretty much a Cameron-Sarkozy project, Obama is not too keen on it in comparison. It was the UK who wrote UNSCR 1970 and 1973, France is the most militarily involved in Libya and want more action. The UK and France are nowhere near as big as they used to be but they know what they can achieve unlike Russia.
(Ian, UK, 27 April 2011 11:51)
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Recommend (+5)Poor comment (-6)What's thisI think this is a comment worth remembering. I think I'd like to bring it back to you in the future and see how embarrassed you look. You seem to have a rather useless Crystal Ball.
(Ian, UK, 27 April 2011 00:38)
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Yes Ian, please book mark it and remember to dust it off every now and then. What I am saying is that "Kosova" will never become a legitimate independent state. That idea is long buried and never lived to begin with.

As for your comments about Russia, seems your tunnel vision is deceiving you. Russia is currently the world's largest energy supplier while its neighbour China is the world's largest energy consumer. The US on the other hand is the world's largest indebted country. So we have the resurging and emerging countries against the indebted. I know where my bets are placed.
(Zoran, 27 April 2011 11:22)
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Recommend (+9)Poor comment (-7)What's thisNot a single evidence, not even a single victim.
(Dodosour, 26 April 2011 19:36)

How do you know that mate? Have you been there?
(Avram, 27 April 2011 09:11)
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Recommend (+7)Poor comment (-5)What's this"Russian Kosovo policy is bad for Serbia" !!!???

"Serbia's leadership did not accept that Russia's Kosovo policy went against the country's interests. "

Their Kosovo policy is simple - "We will accept what Serbia accepts. We will support any solution acceptable for Serbia".

Russia doesn't have a clear policy towards Kosovo. It's willing to support Serbia in their policy.
If Serbia wants to recognize Kosovo, Russia is willing, too.
If Serbia wants to approve EULEX, Russia give green light at UN Security Council.

And Rehn goes to tell us that Russia's policy goes against Serbian best interest?
It only means that Serbian policy goes against our best interests. Russia merely approves of Serbian policy.

Most of Western countries have following policy - "We will do in Kosovo as we wish. We don't care what is acceptable or not for Serbia, nor we care about Serbian interests. Not even a bit."

Let's now read his message - "Serbians should not rule Serbia, as this is not in their interests. West should."

Another attempt to remove every, even formal independence from Serbia?
(Sreten, 27 April 2011 04:25)
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Recommend (+11)Poor comment (-3)What's thisKeep dreaming my friend. "Kosova" is long buried and dead. In fact, it never lived and we can thank Russia (and China) for that.
(Zoran, 26 April 2011 20:23)

I think this is a comment worth remembering. I think I'd like to bring it back to you in the future and see how embarrassed you look. You seem to have a rather useless Crystal Ball.
(Ian, UK, 27 April 2011 00:38)
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Recommend (+3)Poor comment (-11)What's this(Ian, UK, 26 April 2011 18:32)

Naturally the UK is on the ascendency in world power. In fact the US is the only power amongst the hanger-on such as France and the UK so why is the US dragging these wannabees along?

Oh no don’t tell me that Russia does things because of self interest and the west does them out of love and good will.

You really have to stop living in fantasyland and writing this nonsense..


(FREEDOM, 26 April 2011 15:12)


12 years of status quo and “Kosovas” chances are getting better by the decade eh? Its better to keep you as your are and you will disappear before the worlds eyes.

Year 13, more of the same, year 14, more of the same. Enjoy.
(sj, 27 April 2011 00:30)
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Recommend (+9)Poor comment (-5)What's thisWhy on earth should Serbs pay any attention to what this man says?
Honestly, do some people think that Serbs are that stupid?
Without Russia we would've already lost Kosovo without any hope of ever getting it back.
If this runs in line with Russia's interest then even better but to think that these people like Ollie are doing anything in Serbia's interest is laughable. Sure, losing 15% of your territory is good for you Serbia. Why can't you see that? A friend who backs up a victim and works hard at preventing the thief to enjoy their booty is bad but all those others who are trying to help the thief enjoy their booty are good. Now who is telling porkies here?
(Peggy, 26 April 2011 23:06)
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Recommend (+9)Poor comment (-4)What's thisKosova's chances are getting only better.

Tung
(FREEDOM, 26 April 2011 15:12)
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Keep dreaming my friend. "Kosova" is long buried and dead. In fact, it never lived and we can thank Russia (and China) for that.
(Zoran, 26 April 2011 20:23)
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Recommend (+19)Poor comment (-13)What's this"I have not heard Rehn's nor Ahtisaari's comments regarding organ harvesting case. Poor old Marti(the puppet) Ahtisaari should have at least commented something, he is Nobel prize winner.
(Avram, 26 "

What comment you wanted? Well done Serbia, from Sharon Stone and George Cloony your lies are getting more interesting but you are still a lier?

Not a single evidence, not even a single victim.
MAkes you think what crazy people are trying to push through to look "clean and civilized Christians". Too late to start reinventing the new Serbia, you are still 2 genocidal killers up and running.
(Dodosour, 26 April 2011 19:36)
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Recommend (+11)Poor comment (-18)What's thisRussia's recognition of Abkhazia and Ossetia tells the West "anything you can do, I can do too". Therefore it undermines the outright lie by the west that recognition of Kosovo "does not set a precedent" as the west refuses to recognize Abkhazia and Ossetia for the the same (unstated) reason.

It effectively draws a line under such illegal political actions and hopefully will stop the unraveling of the Treaty of Westphalia that has more or less been the basis of the sovereign state for the last 400 years.

Only time will tell if it is too late. As we have seen with President Wilson's concept of a people's "right to self-determination" took a while to catch on, the clearest example being adopted by lawyer in south africa who returned home to his colonially ruled country and started a campaign of peaceful resistance to the oppressors. His name was Muhatma 'Babu' Ghandi.
(Aleks, 26 April 2011 19:16)
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Recommend (+15)Poor comment (-7)What's thisIt is high time for Serbia to finally orient herself toward EU and NATO. All what has happening, insecurity and instability derives from the fact that Serbia is not member neither of these two Institutions. Srbia behaves as an half-independent state giving Russians favourable position. Serbian diplomay is extremely shortminded and naive.
(Constantinos the Great, 26 April 2011 16:00)

Boat number 14, come in please, Your free milk and honey is now available. Repeat, come in please.
(Boating Lake Attendant, 26 April 2011 19:06)
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Recommend (+8)Poor comment (-9)What's thisRussia is a declining power, it is too reliant on it's neighbours. It's influence doesn't go too far beyond a handful of Latin American countries and former Soviet nations. All Russia will ever be is a regional power. Russia wants to mean something again like it did before the break up of the Soviet Union. This is why Russia is so keen on this BRICS project, a forum for wannabe superpowers with China the only serious contender. BRICS would be a joke without China.

I fear that too many Serbs are under the illusion that Russia is this all powerful country wanting to protect the interests of Serbia like it did in WW1. Present day Russia is not that powerful, Russia only cares about itself. Russia wants to mean something, that is why Russia would rather spend billions on it's military while it's people stare is certain areas of Russia. Not to mention that ethnic Russians make up less than 80% of Russia population, lots of people want out of Russia.

Don't get me wrong, I love Russia, it is a great country. But politically Russia isn't the friend best friend to have. Everything it does is for it's own interests. Arguably you could apply the same to the US and China, however the US is a superpower and China will be unlike Russia.

I'm just saying that Serbia shouldn't rely on Russia too much.
(Ian, UK, 26 April 2011 18:32)


Ian, I understand where you are coming from in your position, and I also recognize you offer advice in an entirely good faith manner with no vile. However, you have to understand that when one side (US, UK, France, etc.) is trying to amputate an extremely important and culturally critical portion of your country thorough force, money and intimidation, It is not logical for Serbia to embrace those who are trying to dismember it. UN Security Council Resolution 1244 and history establishes that Kosovo is a province of Serbia; Russia is not trying to amputate Serbian territory. Serbia has no choice.