Belgrade open to Kosovo partition discussion

There is already a de facto partition at the Ibar. That's the reality on the ground.

Did he really "forget" to mention the partition of Serbia itself ie Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja? If we talk about partition/exchange of territories then Serbia will be happy to recognise Kosovo independence...? To me the partion of Kosovo is unrealistic. If we accept the Serbian logic why shouldnt Macedonia be devided? These talks will be another waste of time. Unless Serbia recognised Kosovo independence first no talks should take place. These talks will not last for ever in the current climate...Serbia needs these "talks" to get the candidate status to EU and halt further Kosovo recognitions.
(EA, 23 April 2011 12:54)

to bad mr. albanian your not a majority any more in those areas of Bujanovc and Medveđa but you are a majority only on presovo but not enough to for separation lol . its 2011 not 1999 because plenty of you left and sold your property to serbs and in kosovo you thought you had 2 million albanians but in the recent census albanians are 1 million.

No Serbia you cannot partition your heart and soul :)

You have always just been thefts and that's what you are.

I'm not surprised paritition is being entertained by Belgrade. It's logical and something everyone suspects but no one wants to admit. While they can certainly walk away with the north, I'd say they should not so much push for partitition, but push for cantonization. Why leave out large enclaves like Gracanica and Strpce? Serb municipalities look towards Mitrovica/Belgrade and Albanian municipalities look towards Pristina/Tirana. Kosovo as a whole is an international protectorate anyways so we might as well start focusing on decentralization of power to the muncicipal level.

Kosovo I believe should be partitioned, however Serbia should get more than just the North. Serbia should get Gracanica, Gazimestan, Novo Brdo, Ranilug, Partes, Klokot, the area around the city of pec, the area around the city of decani, the area north of the city of klina, and the area south of Srbica. The serbs will have most of their hoyl sites like Pec patriarchate, Decani monastery, gracanica Monastery, Gorioc monastery, banjska monastery, Devic monastery, budisavci monastery, and the kosovo battlefield. The albanians should keep all of the major cities and the mines since the serbs are only after the enclaves and churches. Let the serbs have their enclaves and churches. let the albanians have their major cities and industrial centers(Mines etc.). Its only fair. But dont think that serbia should onyl get the north because more serbs live south of the ibar and more churches are located south of the ibar.

..."not shying away from the possibility to discuss a partition of Kosovo".

Did he really "forget" to mention the partition of Serbia itself ie Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja? If we talk about partition/exchange of territories then Serbia will be happy to recognise Kosovo independence...? To me the partion of Kosovo is unrealistic. If we accept the Serbian logic why shouldnt Macedonia be devided? These talks will be another waste of time. Unless Serbia recognised Kosovo independence first no talks should take place. These talks will not last for ever in the current climate...Serbia needs these "talks" to get the candidate status to EU and halt further Kosovo recognitions.

For the last couple of years the albanians have said that Serbia needs to accept an independent Kosovo since it's the "reality on the ground".
It looks like the current situation is closer to reality. Wonder if albanains are as eager to accept this reality as the one they wanted to impose on Serbia and the resto of the world?

No Serbia you cannot partition your heart and soul :)

You have always just been thieves and that's what you are.
(ben, 23 April 2011 14:04) really but the world says different in recent years that you are thieves and your exactly like your cousins you came in from azerbaijan and mixed with the population of Serbs,greeks and others and that you have no history in the balkans just like your claims of being of the illyrian race which you have none and kosovo is serbia now so you keep dreaming.


http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/484174782?-1397


http://books.google.be/books?id=iOWS4i5X9fgC&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq=the+illyrians+wilkes+albanians&source=bl&ots=9Pb62fWtkm&sig=JCiGhlcVljGmyQTUya5NRxBQbwU&hl=fr&ei=X54mSpDzH4TX-AaNkqzODw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOCqTq7FTg&feature=channel_video_title


and did you know that albania was given to albanians to live on by the serbs and greeks i bet you did not know that either and albania is 35% none albanians and the big minorities want more rights or autonomy .


Council of Europe: Albania Is A Multiethnic State


http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/MacedonianMinorities/AlbaniaMultiethnic.html


albanians use serbian traditions and greek and your language is a mix of serbian-greek-bulgarian.

After all, it seems that Serbia is after northern Mitro, and that was the main goal, since they know they lost Kosova. Let see what future will bring!

I dont buy it for a second. It's mere rhetoric to facilitate talks and get the other side's hopes up the same as Shmatko questioning the S.Stream before Putin's visit set it straigh. At worst, we'd offer a partition they wouldn't accept, like taking more than just Serb-populated areas, that's it.

Belgrade should be open to losing Vojvodina, Sandzak, Preseva valley. Once you open pandora's box you can't complain later especially when you lose more than you win.

I don't think that this latest round of talks has much hope of progress. "Stefanović is just another blgd regime nationalist; i sat a few feet away from him at their press conference in belgrade and gained no sense that he is in any way "moderate," progressive, open... "
============================

Roberto, you were no where near him and you know it. Who are you to be sitting only a few feet away from him at a press conference? What was your purpose there?

Please stop with lying like you being there or you not being an Albanian. Nobody believes you about anything you say. Just the word "Kosova" gives you away. If you really want to convince anyone that you are a Jew living in "Frisco" then don't use that word since only Albanians use it and don't lie about being anywhere near any Serbian politician.
Seriously, you are one messed up man.

I don't think that this latest round of talks has much hope of progress. Stefanović is just another blgd regime nationalist; i sat a few feet away from him at their press conference in belgrade and gained no sense that he is in any way "moderate," progressive, open...

Me: what's the point in continually repeating the nationalist rhetoric about "we will NEVER recognize independent kosovo" in the midst of negotiating, and with the knowledge that such a "never" is quite a silly proposition...

Stefanović: That's not nationalist rhetoric... we only said it 4 times, whereas the other side said it (presumably speaking of independent kosova) said it 37 times...

Me: when will serbia begin to honestly deal with the mass graves sites, such as the one at raska, which the eu fully informed you about nearly one year ago, not to mention the issue of mass burnings of albanian bodies by serb forces at trepka, mackatica, and possibly other sites inside serbia, about which we have a new report...

Stefanović: such matters need to be dealt with, by both sides, at some point in the future...

ok, this is paraphrasing but still accurate -- and frankly predictable.

the one (token) albanian member of the press conf. panel stated quite openly that kosova suspected that all of these "new" talks were being pushed by belgrade merely to satisfy eu requirements. Stefanović denied it of course, but both sides know it's the case.

i do not think that the current talk of partitioning has much chance of success, on any side. the major powers are opposed to these border changes, usually for good reasons. once it starts, there's no end.

as for the daytonization of kosova, it's just an utterly absurd and unacceptable solution. obviously. methinks a piece of provocation.
just check out the political situation in bosnia.

i agree with sonia biserko -- all of the former states of yugoslavia should be accepted at the same time, or you will end up with more of a mess than you started with. if serbia, for example, becomes a member before kosova, it will just use whatever power it gains to further club the people of kosova. serbia might technically join the organization (down the road) but gaining a progressive eu perspective is another matter entirely.

still, i have to repeat -- we had a wonderful time throughout the balkans, incl and especially in belgrade. which tells me that the "common" people there often have much more sense than what i read, day after day, from certain bitter members of the diaspora.

there is also a brand new documentary about the history of albanians in the region, made by a journalist frnd of ours fr presevo. it's excellent, very watchable. i've seen about 1 hour so far.

unfortunately the english subtitles suck bigtime, so guess who promised to edit them? ouch. at any rate, look for the documentary, hopefully to air soon on one of kosova's tv networks.

tung!

roberto
frisco

With all respect, I think it should be the Albanians begging for partition. An independent Kosovo has failed dramatically. For years on the notion "Kosovo independence" stands for Crime, Corruption, Horror and Terror. I haven't read a single positive news on Kosovo for years. Why is there Serb politicians coming to provide first aid?

(tom,

Really? a Serb using Macedonian info, auto text to speech youtube and a vague tweet report makes you a credible teacher to others on their own history? lol

Now at least i know what it means to be "educated" in Serbia, thanks ;)

Constitution of the Republic of Serbia

Considering also that the Province of Kosovo and Metohija is an integral part of the territory of Serbia,

http://www.srbija.gov.rs/cinjenice_o_srbiji/ustav.php?change_lang=en

Shame on you Stefanovic,Tadic,Jeremic.Kostunica is right: You people are just a bunch of sell outs and traitors. We had a referendum where people voted to approve that constitution. Who are you to give away Serbian land like that?

(iliri, 24 April 2011 05:31)

These talks will fail and that’s to say Belgrade made an effort and so status quo for Kosovo.
Albanian, Kosovo and Montenegro are three financial bottomless pits that no amount of money poured into them will improve the living standards of the people unless you call unemployment a vocation and the EU pays the wages.
They have nothing of worth. If unified they would be as powerful as Kiribati in the Pacific Ocean (a series of atolls). I find it amazing that after posting for such a long time on this site you have learnt nothing. These three countries are of no importance now or in the future, even for gas pipelines. The South stream is going through Bulgaria and it will branch off to Greece then to Italy – no Albania, no Kosovo and no Montenegro - any gas that reaches these countries has to come from the main South Stream pipe and that is controlled by Belgrade. If Albania does not like it they can try the Greeks, I’m sure they are more amenable to you guys lol!!!!
As far as mining for minerals is concerned let me say that it’s cheaper to mine coal in Nebo, Queensland, Australia, have it washed and transported to an Albanian port than to dig it out in Kosovo and move it just over the border to Albania.
What tourism do you Albanians have in Kosovo or Montenegro, unless you call all those Churches and Monasteries Albanian? They were all build by Serbs. Albanians claim to be in the Balkans since Neolithic times, but there is not even a cave painting to prove any of those claims.
The only “Montenegrin” you share some commonality with are Albanians living in Montenegro the rest are Serbs or are you considering adopting Petar Petrovic Negos as an Albanian and that he secretly wrote about Albanian culture and history????

Kosovo partition is a poor choice,its conflict breeding arrangement and should be avoided.Kosovo Albanians should be given maximum possible autonomy for healthy, social,cultural and economic development.Sovereign state of Kosovo is out of question for following reasons:Kosovo was never Serbian colony, it created such large population imbalance through birth rate and uncontrolled immigration from Albania during axis occupations in World War II.Additionally,without dredging entire history of that region now,Kosovo Albanians were on the side of all occupying forces who ever they were, at any given time in history of that region against Serbs.
That's said,reconciliation must take place althogh it would be painful
and slow.To start with,the rule of law should be firmly establish.Serbs
and Kosovo Albanians are culturally different and for time being they
would have to live side by side as segregated societies bound by set
of principals and strong rule of law.For last, almost 12 years Kosovo
was and still is under UNMIK and EULEX rule Report card for that period is spotty at best,there is a reduction in ethnic violence but it's not
completely eliminated.There is no viable legal economy.Corruption is
prevalent and criminal elements rules that society.Even killing people
and organs trafficking took place during UNMIK tenure.As bad as this is
we must go forward and create better future for that region.

(CCCC, 23 April 2011 23:28)

I think what he meant was to withdraw the provincial autonomy of Nothern Kosovo and fully intergrate it with Serbia, without actually signing Kosovo away, because that would take any right their children or grandchildren have to legally liberate it.

"Belgrade should be open to losing Vojvodina, Sandzak, Preseva valley. Once you open pandora's box you can't complain later especially when you lose more than you win. (ivan, 23 April 2011 17:31)"

"Ivan",

You should ask yourself who actually opened "Pandora's Box" and the answers start with an A and ends with lbanians (plus their Western masters). The greedy Albanians have to start realizing that they and not the Serbs and Serbia will be the biggest losers and please let me know what you have really won completely by yourselves? Right, nothing, zero! Personally I am all in favor of getting rid of Presevo Valley and as far as I am concerned there should be a deal to send the 100,000+ Albanians in Belgrade to prison "Kosova" or Albania (even though they seem to be behaving reasonably well and enjoying their lives in Serbia, but they are too much risk for future trouble and Serbia has to start thinking about her own core interests first). Vojvodina is going nowhere unless Hungary and NATO are going to pull another Kosovo or Lybia.

Belgrade should be open to losing Vojvodina, Sandzak, Preseva valley. Once you open pandora's box you can't complain later especially when you lose more than you win.
(ivan, 23 April 2011 17:31) really mr. albanian do you know that today vojvodina is 75%+Serbs did you know that and sandzak did you know that muslim Serbs are 50-50 with the christian Serbs there and on the montenegrin side of sandzak the Serbs are majority did you know that i guess not and now the final preshovo is the only city with a slight albanian majority and Bujanovac and Medveđa are serbian majority did you know that no i guess not and did you know that already 10,000 albanians sold their houses to the Serbs in preshovo city you didnt know that either so i am guessing that albanians are going to be a minority there also so think before you speak.




Like the rest of Serbia, and neighboring Croatia and others
The days when the serbian province could boast 28 nationalities are long past. May 25, 2010

http://digg.com/story/r/Minorities_in_Serbia_Vanishing_Vojvodina

These talks will fail, like every single talks in the past between ALbanians and Serbs...i think, Albania, Kosovo, Montenegro and Fyrom should fedealise, and create some kind of Balkan union, we could have all the importnat routes of balkans, the gas lines will pass through southern Albania, the mines and industry in Kosovo, tourism in Montenegro and Albania, majbe distribute power with Fyrom, 50/50, Skopje as capital which is also half Albanian half slav, the state would be very powerful, a socialist system would fit well to improve life standards...by blood fyromians albanians and montengrins are the same, the only slavs having true slavic blood are the serbs, the rest is slavisised autotoctones...no more brother wars...
(iliri, 24 April 2011 05:31)

1st: Montenegrins are true Slavs (Descended from Serbs), as are Macedonians (Descended from Bulgarians)
2nd: Do you really think Macedonia and Montenegro will want to let Albania leech off them
3rd: Can you really see 2 Christian nations wanting to link up with a Muslim one?
4th: Considering the Past Conflict between the States, I hardly think they'd want to unite with a former Enemy
5th: You only came up with this idea as a way to Combat Serbia, of all the Fmr Yugoslav Republics, Macedonia and Montenegro are the Closest to Serbia
6. They've already learned how the Yugoslavia model turned out. Theres no way 2 smaller, richer nations would annex themselves to a larger, but poorer state

dodosour read the whole article and then type



The results of this research show that about one million or 35% of the total population in the country are members of minorities. This makes Albania a multiethnic state," said the Director of the Center for Ethnic Research in Tirana, Kimet Fetahu.

do not even think of that, Mr.Stefanovic.

whoever tries to give away serbian territory should be held responsible. beside of that, it would be illegal, so, it would be non-binding.

high treason is unacceptable.

''1st: Montenegrins are true Slavs (Descended from Serbs), as are Macedonians (Descended from Bulgarians)
2nd: Do you really think Macedonia and Montenegro will want to let Albania leech off them
3rd: Can you really see 2 Christian nations wanting to link up with a Muslim one?
4th: Considering the Past Conflict between the States, I hardly think they'd want to unite with a former Enemy
5th: You only came up with this idea as a way to Combat Serbia, of all the Fmr Yugoslav Republics, Macedonia and Montenegro are the Closest to Serbia
6. They've already learned how the Yugoslavia model turned out. Theres no way 2 smaller, richer nations would annex themselves to a larger, but poorer state
(New Zealander, 24 April 2011 12:55) ''

1st.Nobody is descedant from serbs, not even montenegrins, if serbs first created their state in zeta and raska, then it only means that serbs are the descedants of montenegrins, or even sandjak muslims, go tell a muslim in sandjak that he is a serb...yet the issue of settling in midle ages is tricky, sometimes it may not leave genetical traces more than cultural ones.. middle ages are not labeled as dark ages for nothing.. Montenegrins are very close to northen Albanians in appearance, even in menthality and traditions, during ottoman empire, northen Albanians called bajraktars and montenegrins were indipendent, and never were invaded, in 18th century, Iskodra vilayet and montenegrins even established the ''Illyrian Confederate'' but it was crushed, as for fyromians, true, they are bulgarians, but bulgarians and kosovo albanians have similar genetics as well..
2nd. Not at first, but with time they will get used to.
3rd. Neither Albania is muslim nation, nor montegrins and fyromians are christian ones, this is Europe not middle east, an european nation is defined by blood, not by abrahamic ideologies, so please spare that jewish mentality here...in Albania, what you call as muslims or christians are one blood, you should have seen our pagan festivals this year ,though...
4th.former enemy? I can see fyromians as our recent enenmies, but montenegrins used to be our closest allies in middle ages, even in 18th century, Northen ALbanians and Montegrins approached each other ,it was russia which saw montenegrin albanian friendship as dangeours in the 1870s.., on the other side, fyromians need protection to establish their identity, if they fell for greek and bulgarian influence, they are doomed anyway, ''macedonian'' identity can survive only if Albanians become powerful, why do you think fyrom supported Kosovo ? Both slavic branchs of slavs and fyromians are being treated unjustly, even us Albanians, instead of helping them, are creating for them problems. There are even voices that 2001 conflict in fyrom was work of serbian intelligence. The main problem in Fyrom is that many of their politicans are serbs...

5th.Not only to compete with Serbia. Also Greece and Rumenia which are far more powerful than Serbia in industry. If Albania, Montenegro, Kosovo and fyrom want to develop a stable economy with industry, we will need to cooperate, that is only way, we have great resources, the Durres harbour could become of regional importance and compete with Greece, at the end of day all is business..like the EU, when EU was more of economic union,it was very successful, when it turned more political, it almost failed...If Germany France and Britian created EU, why can't Albania, Fyrom and Montenegro?

However. I m surprised to see that some one who claimes to be a zelander is so deep in balkan matters...personally i have visited many balkan countries, yet i can not claim to know everything, while someone from new zealand claims to know more...that's arrogant.

6th. Yugoslavia failed, because slavic identies are a mess, serbs started claiming that fyromians were serbs, croats catholic serbs etc, in few word, it was a slavic soup, or a corbe...an Albanian can not claim that a montenegrin or macedonian slav is Albanian, simple. By saing that Albania is poor i don't know what you mean, we have invested in infrastructure last year more than fyrom, kosovo and montengro will be able to in a decade..and we alredy are getting the profits, the flux in Durres is booming each year, even Serbia will have to utilise our harbours in the future...

I don't think that this latest round of talks has much hope of progress. Stefanović is just another blgd regime nationalist; i sat a few feet away from him at their press conference in belgrade and gained no sense that he is in any way "moderate," progressive, open...

Me: what's the point in continually repeating the nationalist rhetoric about "we will NEVER recognize independent kosovo" in the midst of negotiating, and with the knowledge that such a "never" is quite a silly proposition...

Stefanović: That's not nationalist rhetoric... we only said it 4 times, whereas the other side said it (presumably speaking of independent kosova) said it 37 times...

Me: when will serbia begin to honestly deal with the mass graves sites, such as the one at raska, which the eu fully informed you about nearly one year ago, not to mention the issue of mass burnings of albanian bodies by serb forces at trepka, mackatica, and possibly other sites inside serbia, about which we have a new report...

Stefanović: such matters need to be dealt with, by both sides, at some point in the future...

ok, this is paraphrasing but still accurate -- and frankly predictable.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 23 April 2011 19:49)


Roberto, you don't remember correctly. It was me, Putin, Obama, Stefanović and the Queen who asked your opinion, it was you who hold the briefing. The joke was that both Obama and the Queen had trouble to take notes of what you told. You should have more empathy towards your lesser colleagues.

---

i agree with sonia biserko -- all of the former states of yugoslavia should be accepted at the same time, or you will end up with more of a mess than you started with. if serbia, for example, becomes a member before kosova, it will just use whatever power it gains to further club the people of kosova. serbia might technically join the organization (down the road) but gaining a progressive eu perspective is another matter entirely.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 23 April 2011 19:49)

"Kosova", "States of Yugoslavia"... are you sure, Yugoslavia had "states" (not "republics") and that Kosovo was one of them?

But next time if you finally can distinguish between written Serbo-Croatian and written Albanian, than maybe you can teach others something.

Until that: a windbag. Please tell us next time when Dalai Lama or Pope will interview you. Sicko.

albanians on here should be in comedy because they sound funny and stupid. so now they say montenegrins are not Serbs well i am living proof, i am Montenegrin but Serb and if you albanians dont know in montenegro the new census shows Serbs in montenegro at 40% from 32% from the last census that's every second or third person in Montenegro a Serb in 2011, that's because montenegrins know we are Serbs only the criminals will say other wise because they want montenegro to be separated but news for you albanians we are uniting more with serbia as of late, but the next funny thing on here you say vojvodina is going to separate. where did you get that from ? lol its well over 75% Serbs in the province so i guess you could stop crying about that and next you say sandzak its funny but its 50-50% between the christian Serbs and the converted Muslim Serbs and in the montenegro part of sandzak its a total Serb majority so i guess you uneducated albanians know nothing but dumb conflict, and now the next one the presevo valley your only a majority in presevo city and your starting to lose there because 10,000 albanians have sold their homes to Serbs and moved ,so i am guessing your tiny population in the valley want trouble i advise you not especially what happened the last time which it only took Serb police to beat you down in 2 weeks and now your even in less population so you guys should go to school and get a education and not think of wars because you have no place for it because no more back up for you and that's proven your all alone. now kosovo you thought you guys had a population of 20 million in kosovo lol but now the new census shows albanians are 1 million and pristina has a population of just around 200,000 that's a big difference from the 700,000 you albanians said you had lol well i guess your getting smarter now and not having 15 kids and putting them on the streets to starve and beg now i guess you have brains to think and say when i have money and ready and stable then we could talk about kids instead of them being like gypsies and starving, good move there i give you albanians props on that, anyway your learning from the civilised world and the EU way. but to let you know this is just talk and kosovo is still part of serbia under the UN and eulex and you got no real powerful countries to back you anymore because they are broke(america) and others and you are being noticed as the new European terrorist groups that's what the world is labeling albanians as and the next one is that guy talking about building ships WITH norway or Netherlands i never heard that and that means nothing any way albania is the weakest and poorest nation in Europe so where is this so called albanian power lol your all amusing but love the stories on here. in albania we know there is a problem since 35% of albania is none albanians and people there are getting fed up with the albanian pressing the minorities not good since albania was given to you to live on from the Serbs and greeks because that fairy tale story that albanians are illyrians are proven you are not at all illyrian nor balkan peoples.

You shall have not one centimeter of Kosovo's territory. ROT CLOWNS, ROT!!

Kosovo & Albania = ALBANIAN


Thanks,

I dont buy it for a second. It's mere rhetoric to facilitate talks and get the other side's hopes up the same as Shmatko questioning the S.Stream before Putin's visit set it straigh. At worst, we'd offer a partition they wouldn't accept, like taking more than just Serb-populated areas, that's it.
(highduke, 23 April 2011 13:08)

I like this arrogant way of thinking highduke. We Serbs can outsmart the Albanians.Keep doing it.You see it as rhetoric but that is what the Serbs are left with now."Good neighborly relations" are the magic words if you want to be member of the EU and get some of their dough.Stefanovic is the first from the Serbian camp that is saying it publicly.He is testing the waters.First reply from the Albanians(Edita Tahiri) is NO.Thomas M. Countryman The US Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary today said: Kosovo division is not an option.Americans can force the Albanian side to accept division but you Serbs would have to give an arm and a leg to convince Americans to do that.Presevo Valley,Sandzak,RS,NATO,Mlladic, all would be on the table and all on American terms.

''These three countries are of no importance now or in the future, even for gas pipelines. The South stream is going through Bulgaria and it will branch off to Greece then to Italy ''

I don't know what you hear in serbian coffee shop taks, but ALbania is bulidng the new fleet with dutchs, brand new ships are coming out every year in Vlora.. and the agreement to divide the ionian shelf with greeks was canceled by our supreme court, so our scum politicians can do nothing to sell Albanian land, and greece has litlle money left to corrupt our politicans anyway, who are becoming more hungry...if greece tries to build, they will either have to built it on disputed territory and get torpedoed by our ships...or built it with 15x more expences on safe shelf...also, you missed the latest news, Albania and Russia already reached an agreement, in the end it is all about business, huh?...

Greece might be far more powerful than Albania, if a frontal war happened, Greece would crush us in a few days, but it can not afford a conflict with Albania, after all, if our borders are touched, we will have to act, we have no choise, the stakes would be to high, greece has other enemies as wel... in 1996 a greek ship got shelled by our artillery when passing the border, and not a half word was said in protest by the greek side...our border is our border, we have nothing to lose after what we alredy lost in 1913...

@Illiri:

Albania is developing warships? Interesting in my opinion.If I understood you correctly when you mentioned the Dutch do you mean to say that this shipbuilding project is a joint venture project between Albania & the Netherlands?Final question to pose is would you know if these ships are Albanian designed?

whoever tries to give away serbian territory should be held responsible. beside of that, it would be illegal, so, it would be non-binding.

high treason is unacceptable.
(Jovan, 24 April 2011 08:12)

If Serb representatives sign an international agreement to that effect and ratify it, that WILL BE binding for Serbia.

The rest is a matter for Serbia to resolve internally; external parties would care less

''1st: Montenegrins are true Slavs (Descended from Serbs), as are Macedonians (Descended from Bulgarians)
2nd: Do you really think Macedonia and Montenegro will want to let Albania leech off them
3rd: Can you really see 2 Christian nations wanting to link up with a Muslim one?
4th: Considering the Past Conflict between the States, I hardly think they'd want to unite with a former Enemy
5th: You only came up with this idea as a way to Combat Serbia, of all the Fmr Yugoslav Republics, Macedonia and Montenegro are the Closest to Serbia
6. They've already learned how the Yugoslavia model turned out. Theres no way 2 smaller, richer nations would annex themselves to a larger, but poorer state
(New Zealander, 24 April 2011 12:55) ''

1st.Nobody is descedant from serbs, not even montenegrins, if serbs first created their state in zeta and raska, then it only means that serbs are the descedants of montenegrins, or even sandjak muslims, go tell a muslim in sandjak that he is a serb...yet the issue of settling in midle ages is tricky, sometimes it may not leave genetical traces more than cultural ones.. middle ages are not labeled as dark ages for nothing.. Montenegrins are very close to northen Albanians in appearance, even in menthality and traditions, during ottoman empire, northen Albanians called bajraktars and montenegrins were indipendent, and never were invaded, in 18th century, Iskodra vilayet and montenegrins even established the ''Illyrian Confederate'' but it was crushed, as for fyromians, true, they are bulgarians, but bulgarians and kosovo albanians have similar genetics as well..
2nd. Not at first, but with time they will get used to.
3rd. Neither Albania is muslim nation, nor montegrins and fyromians are christian ones, this is Europe not middle east, an european nation is defined by blood, not by abrahamic ideologies, so please spare that jewish mentality here...in Albania, what you call as muslims or christians are one blood, you should have seen our pagan festivals this year ,though...
4th.former enemy? I can see fyromians as our recent enenmies, but montenegrins used to be our closest allies in middle ages, even in 18th century, Northen ALbanians and Montegrins approached each other ,it was russia which saw montenegrin albanian friendship as dangeours in the 1870s.., on the other side, fyromians need protection to establish their identity, if they fell for greek and bulgarian influence, they are doomed anyway, ''macedonian'' identity can survive only if Albanians become powerful, why do you think fyrom supported Kosovo ? Both slavic branchs of slavs and fyromians are being treated unjustly, even us Albanians, instead of helping them, are creating for them problems. There are even voices that 2001 conflict in fyrom was work of serbian intelligence. The main problem in Fyrom is that many of their politicans are serbs...

5th.Not only to compete with Serbia. Also Greece and Rumenia which are far more powerful than Serbia in industry. If Albania, Montenegro, Kosovo and fyrom want to develop a stable economy with industry, we will need to cooperate, that is only way, we have great resources, the Durres harbour could become of regional importance and compete with Greece, at the end of day all is business..like the EU, when EU was more of economic union,it was very successful, when it turned more political, it almost failed...If Germany France and Britian created EU, why can't Albania, Fyrom and Montenegro?

However. I m surprised to see that some one who claimes to be a zelander is so deep in balkan matters...personally i have visited many balkan countries, yet i can not claim to know everything, while someone from new zealand claims to know more...that's arrogant.

6th. Yugoslavia failed, because slavic identies are a mess, serbs started claiming that fyromians were serbs, croats catholic serbs etc, in few word, it was a slavic soup, or a corbe...an Albanian can not claim that a montenegrin or macedonian slav is Albanian, simple. By saing that Albania is poor i don't know what you mean, we have invested in infrastructure last year more than fyrom, kosovo and montengro will be able to in a decade..and we alredy are getting the profits, the flux in Durres is booming each year, even Serbia will have to utilise our harbours in the future...
(iliri, 24 April 2011 14:19)

1st. The Serbs created Montenegro around the 11th century, Bosniaks were descended from the Serbs and Croats who'd converted to Islam around the time of the Turks. The Illyrian conference was created around the time the Southern slavs thought they Were Illyrian (which was proven wrong). No one in Montenegro (or in the rest of the world) denies that Montenegrins are descended from Serbs. As for Slavo-Macedonians, they're closer to Ukranians, Serbs, Russians and Montenegrins then they ever were to Albanians.

2. It doesnt matter if they'd get used to it later, they've got to unite first, which they wouldnt want to do.

3. I'm Catholic, not Jewish, and in the Past decade Islamophobia has grown immensly, thats forgetting that its the Balkans we're talking about.

4. FYOM (or SlavoMacedonia as I like to call it) supported Kosovo (just as Montenegro did) because it improves their chances of getting into the EU. The reason for the 2001 conflict was not Serbs, (sounds like some of those "Zionist conspiracies to take over the world") It was an attempt to create Greater Albania. As for Serbs in Macedonia's parliament, theres only 2 of them. Montenegro went to war with the Albanians in 1999, its irrelevant what happened in the 1870s, or in 1912 when both Serbia and Montenegro had a big part in Creating Albania.

5. The EU is far from a State union between traditional enemies, a quote from the Godfather comes to mind: "Your father did buisness with Hyman Roth, Your Father respected Hyman roth, but your father never trusted Hyman roth", The same quote with a little editing applies here.

What I have done is studied the Balkans a great deal and I see myself as rather a neutral then arrogant. The same couldnt be said for you, who only looks at one side of the story (the Albanian one) and bases his opinion on that, however; since that is what you'd expect anyone to do , I dont blame you

Every state union between two countries (aside from those who are almost exactly the same. Eg. Prussians & Bavarians) are doomed to fail, combine that with the Balkan factor and then theres going to be issues. The EU worked 1st. Because the dominant nations (France, Germany and the UK) were also the richest, Switzerland & Luxembourg; are both richer though and did not join because they dont want to give their wealth away. Two smaller but richer nations (Macedonia and Montenegro) would not annex themselves to a larger, poorer one.

6. This ideology (greater Albania) isnt new, I hardly think Montenegro or FYOM who fought bravely against it, would peacefully go for it.

7. Just a few more examples are around. In NZ theres a party called "51st State" whose sole policy is to annex NZ to the USA, this would make NZ richer and more powerful, but no one votes for the Party becuase we value our independence, the same could be said for the MyRussia party in Serbia whose sole policy is to annex the place to (you guessed it) Russia, but like 51st state in NZ, people in Serbia (just like they do in the rest of the Balkans) value their independence and wouldnt want to join a state union with Russia (regardless of the fact that the two nations are so close and it would bring much wealth and power to Serbia).

''Ah yes the 1996 incident. That cost Albania a lot but you have to ask your historians or politicians about the repercussions from that action. ''

4 greek sailors did not live to tell the story, you see, that example served them well, no more alike incidents were registered...you step in our territory , and you never leave, simple as that. Of course, we, unlike Turkey, do not have latest aircraft and submarines so we can sightsee the greek islands , but if Greeks violate our waters, they will get torpedoed, plain and simple.

Greek civilistaion? Germans were barbarians back then, purely savages, along with vikings and saxones, look at them now, greece is begging them for money every month, at least Albania does not get any aid from EU, i would rather give up my TV set and have a leaking roof than live in a loft be full of debts...yeah right, i m so ashamed, we Albanians stole Bush's watch. Actually you don't know the true story, we made an agreement with Bush, we steal his watch, and Bush got the insurance money...see? no one harmed, apart from the jews running the insurances...

''Turkey is a THIRD WORLD country that could not fight 500 metres outside its own borders as seen in northern Iraq where they have been thrashed several times by the Kurds. ''

I honestly don't care what Turkey does to kurds and greeks, it is a turkish-greek-kurdish issue afterall, but for your info, Cyprus is further than just ''500 metres'' ... didn't Turkey blow up a greek plane inside greek territory a couple of years eirler? It seems that crushing down a greek fighter is easier than chasing down the kurds, huh?

(iliri, 24 April 2011 14:45)

Building ships???? To transport what? Albanian BS? Or are you saying that they are military vessels? Have you also prepped your donkey brigades with men holding pitch forks in case you’re attacked by the Greeks? Please stop living in fantasy you’re making me laugh too hard.
Look long and hard where the gas pipeline is going and maybe you just might be surprised. A branch line from Southstream that is going through Serbia is planned to go to Kosovo and Albania, and if Albania/Kosovo does not behave then no gas and no industry, mate.
I imagine that the Greeks can’t invade Albania because of Turkey. Turkey is a THIRD WORLD country that could not fight 500 metres outside its own borders as seen in northern Iraq where they have been thrashed several times by the Kurds.
Ah yes the 1996 incident. That cost Albania a lot but you have to ask your historians or politicians about the repercussions from that action.
Your supreme court is nothing because they will have to divide it in favour of Greece. You still don’t get it. Greece is seen as the cradle of western civilization and the Albanians, well they did steal George Bush’s watch when he visited Tiranha. So I wonder who will the EU side with Albania or Greece?
If Serb representatives sign an international agreement to that effect and ratify it, that WILL BE binding for Serbia.

The rest is a matter for Serbia to resolve internally; external parties would care less
(icj1, 24 April 2011 19:24)

The Serb representative cannot sign any international agreement that is contrary to the Serbian constitution. Any agreements signed will be non binding and can be done away with by any side any time.

These talks will fail, like every single talks in the past between ALbanians and Serbs...i think, Albania, Kosovo, Montenegro and Fyrom should fedealise, and create some kind of Balkan union, we could have all the importnat routes of balkans, the gas lines will pass through southern Albania, the mines and industry in Kosovo, tourism in Montenegro and Albania, majbe distribute power with Fyrom, 50/50, Skopje as capital which is also half Albanian half slav, the state would be very powerful, a socialist system would fit well to improve life standards...by blood fyromians albanians and montengrins are the same, the only slavs having true slavic blood are the serbs, the rest is slavisised autotoctones...no more brother wars...

'' 1. @iliri:

If you read my comments which are also an inquiry I'd appreciate it if you can come up with a response.Thank You.
(resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada, 25 April 2011 21:31) ''

i don't quite remember, but the ships will be the same as the ''Iliria'' that we already have, they will be five more or five in total, still for a small country like ours , such small ships are enough...we don't plan in ivading any country after all...and yes, they are designed by dutchs, but will be built in Vlora. I have seen bigger ships in army and navy exercises but i guess they are american not albanian.

Just a few more examples are around. In NZ theres a party called "51st State" whose sole policy is to annex NZ to the USA, this would make NZ richer and more powerful, but no one votes for the Party becuase we value our independence, the same could be said for the MyRussia party in Serbia whose sole policy is to annex the place to (you guessed it) Russia, but like 51st state in NZ, people in Serbia (just like they do in the rest of the Balkans) value their independence and wouldnt want to join a state union with Russia (regardless of the fact that the two nations are so close and it would bring much wealth and power to Serbia).
(New Zealander, 25 April 2011 03:31)

I would vote for both parties ;-)

Makes huge sense in both cases. At least, the borders of Russia are untouchable and Russia has enough Very Scary Stuff™ to make any question of these little Kosova Car Insurance booths on the Kosovo "border" a non-issue because there wouldn't be anything even closely resembling the border considered.

@iliri:

If you read my comments which are also an inquiry I'd appreciate it if you can come up with a response.Thank You.

@Gajo:

Perhaps this would be somewhat off topic to ask but since I've noticed your criticism of Albanians what is your opinion of Albanians who get a "kick" out of swearing in English? It may not interest you but years ago at a social function held in another part of my province I met some male guests who are Kosovar-Albanians and guess what? They were using obscene language in cursing the late Slobodan Milosevic ( my apologies if his name brings terrible memories) which I found hilarious.If necessary I asked one of these fellows if there were any Albanians who were pro-Milosevic and I believe he replied yes and my reply was "idiots"!So again what do you think of Albanians who dislike or disdain other Albanians who are said to be pro-Milosevic? I personally don't blame them for disliking or despising them.

The Serb representative cannot sign any international agreement that is contrary to the Serbian constitution. Any agreements signed will be non binding and can be done away with by any side any time.
(sj, 25 April 2011 00:29)

Again, if the ratification instrument is send to the other party by some somebody representing Serbia (the President, Primer Minister or Minister of Foreign Affairs), the international agreement is binding on Serbia. Serbia can then put on trial and execute, if it wants, whoever ratified it, but that's an internal Serbian problem; it does not make the agreement non-binding. The binding or non-binding is determined by the international law, not Serbia's domestic law. Otherwise it would be easy for States to get out of any agreement by just modifying their domestic laws :). For more information, you can read the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (Serbia has already ratified it, but even if it were not, it still is binding because it is part of the international custumory law).

http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/1_1_1969.pdf

No Serbia you cannot partition your heart and soul :)

You have always just been thefts and that's what you are.

I don't think that this latest round of talks has much hope of progress. Stefanović is just another blgd regime nationalist; i sat a few feet away from him at their press conference in belgrade and gained no sense that he is in any way "moderate," progressive, open...

Me: what's the point in continually repeating the nationalist rhetoric about "we will NEVER recognize independent kosovo" in the midst of negotiating, and with the knowledge that such a "never" is quite a silly proposition...

Stefanović: That's not nationalist rhetoric... we only said it 4 times, whereas the other side said it (presumably speaking of independent kosova) said it 37 times...

Me: when will serbia begin to honestly deal with the mass graves sites, such as the one at raska, which the eu fully informed you about nearly one year ago, not to mention the issue of mass burnings of albanian bodies by serb forces at trepka, mackatica, and possibly other sites inside serbia, about which we have a new report...

Stefanović: such matters need to be dealt with, by both sides, at some point in the future...

ok, this is paraphrasing but still accurate -- and frankly predictable.

the one (token) albanian member of the press conf. panel stated quite openly that kosova suspected that all of these "new" talks were being pushed by belgrade merely to satisfy eu requirements. Stefanović denied it of course, but both sides know it's the case.

i do not think that the current talk of partitioning has much chance of success, on any side. the major powers are opposed to these border changes, usually for good reasons. once it starts, there's no end.

as for the daytonization of kosova, it's just an utterly absurd and unacceptable solution. obviously. methinks a piece of provocation.
just check out the political situation in bosnia.

i agree with sonia biserko -- all of the former states of yugoslavia should be accepted at the same time, or you will end up with more of a mess than you started with. if serbia, for example, becomes a member before kosova, it will just use whatever power it gains to further club the people of kosova. serbia might technically join the organization (down the road) but gaining a progressive eu perspective is another matter entirely.

still, i have to repeat -- we had a wonderful time throughout the balkans, incl and especially in belgrade. which tells me that the "common" people there often have much more sense than what i read, day after day, from certain bitter members of the diaspora.

there is also a brand new documentary about the history of albanians in the region, made by a journalist frnd of ours fr presevo. it's excellent, very watchable. i've seen about 1 hour so far.

unfortunately the english subtitles suck bigtime, so guess who promised to edit them? ouch. at any rate, look for the documentary, hopefully to air soon on one of kosova's tv networks.

tung!

roberto
frisco

..."not shying away from the possibility to discuss a partition of Kosovo".

Did he really "forget" to mention the partition of Serbia itself ie Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja? If we talk about partition/exchange of territories then Serbia will be happy to recognise Kosovo independence...? To me the partion of Kosovo is unrealistic. If we accept the Serbian logic why shouldnt Macedonia be devided? These talks will be another waste of time. Unless Serbia recognised Kosovo independence first no talks should take place. These talks will not last for ever in the current climate...Serbia needs these "talks" to get the candidate status to EU and halt further Kosovo recognitions.

Belgrade should be open to losing Vojvodina, Sandzak, Preseva valley. Once you open pandora's box you can't complain later especially when you lose more than you win.

After all, it seems that Serbia is after northern Mitro, and that was the main goal, since they know they lost Kosova. Let see what future will bring!

No Serbia you cannot partition your heart and soul :)

You have always just been thieves and that's what you are.
(ben, 23 April 2011 14:04) really but the world says different in recent years that you are thieves and your exactly like your cousins you came in from azerbaijan and mixed with the population of Serbs,greeks and others and that you have no history in the balkans just like your claims of being of the illyrian race which you have none and kosovo is serbia now so you keep dreaming.


http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/484174782?-1397


http://books.google.be/books?id=iOWS4i5X9fgC&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq=the+illyrians+wilkes+albanians&source=bl&ots=9Pb62fWtkm&sig=JCiGhlcVljGmyQTUya5NRxBQbwU&hl=fr&ei=X54mSpDzH4TX-AaNkqzODw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOCqTq7FTg&feature=channel_video_title


and did you know that albania was given to albanians to live on by the serbs and greeks i bet you did not know that either and albania is 35% none albanians and the big minorities want more rights or autonomy .


Council of Europe: Albania Is A Multiethnic State


http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/MacedonianMinorities/AlbaniaMultiethnic.html


albanians use serbian traditions and greek and your language is a mix of serbian-greek-bulgarian.

Did he really "forget" to mention the partition of Serbia itself ie Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja? If we talk about partition/exchange of territories then Serbia will be happy to recognise Kosovo independence...? To me the partion of Kosovo is unrealistic. If we accept the Serbian logic why shouldnt Macedonia be devided? These talks will be another waste of time. Unless Serbia recognised Kosovo independence first no talks should take place. These talks will not last for ever in the current climate...Serbia needs these "talks" to get the candidate status to EU and halt further Kosovo recognitions.
(EA, 23 April 2011 12:54)

to bad mr. albanian your not a majority any more in those areas of Bujanovc and Medveđa but you are a majority only on presovo but not enough to for separation lol . its 2011 not 1999 because plenty of you left and sold your property to serbs and in kosovo you thought you had 2 million albanians but in the recent census albanians are 1 million.

There is already a de facto partition at the Ibar. That's the reality on the ground.

Kosovo I believe should be partitioned, however Serbia should get more than just the North. Serbia should get Gracanica, Gazimestan, Novo Brdo, Ranilug, Partes, Klokot, the area around the city of pec, the area around the city of decani, the area north of the city of klina, and the area south of Srbica. The serbs will have most of their hoyl sites like Pec patriarchate, Decani monastery, gracanica Monastery, Gorioc monastery, banjska monastery, Devic monastery, budisavci monastery, and the kosovo battlefield. The albanians should keep all of the major cities and the mines since the serbs are only after the enclaves and churches. Let the serbs have their enclaves and churches. let the albanians have their major cities and industrial centers(Mines etc.). Its only fair. But dont think that serbia should onyl get the north because more serbs live south of the ibar and more churches are located south of the ibar.

I dont buy it for a second. It's mere rhetoric to facilitate talks and get the other side's hopes up the same as Shmatko questioning the S.Stream before Putin's visit set it straigh. At worst, we'd offer a partition they wouldn't accept, like taking more than just Serb-populated areas, that's it.

(tom,

Really? a Serb using Macedonian info, auto text to speech youtube and a vague tweet report makes you a credible teacher to others on their own history? lol

Now at least i know what it means to be "educated" in Serbia, thanks ;)

I'm not surprised paritition is being entertained by Belgrade. It's logical and something everyone suspects but no one wants to admit. While they can certainly walk away with the north, I'd say they should not so much push for partitition, but push for cantonization. Why leave out large enclaves like Gracanica and Strpce? Serb municipalities look towards Mitrovica/Belgrade and Albanian municipalities look towards Pristina/Tirana. Kosovo as a whole is an international protectorate anyways so we might as well start focusing on decentralization of power to the muncicipal level.

You shall have not one centimeter of Kosovo's territory. ROT CLOWNS, ROT!!

Kosovo & Albania = ALBANIAN


Thanks,

These talks will fail, like every single talks in the past between ALbanians and Serbs...i think, Albania, Kosovo, Montenegro and Fyrom should fedealise, and create some kind of Balkan union, we could have all the importnat routes of balkans, the gas lines will pass through southern Albania, the mines and industry in Kosovo, tourism in Montenegro and Albania, majbe distribute power with Fyrom, 50/50, Skopje as capital which is also half Albanian half slav, the state would be very powerful, a socialist system would fit well to improve life standards...by blood fyromians albanians and montengrins are the same, the only slavs having true slavic blood are the serbs, the rest is slavisised autotoctones...no more brother wars...

For the last couple of years the albanians have said that Serbia needs to accept an independent Kosovo since it's the "reality on the ground".
It looks like the current situation is closer to reality. Wonder if albanains are as eager to accept this reality as the one they wanted to impose on Serbia and the resto of the world?

''1st: Montenegrins are true Slavs (Descended from Serbs), as are Macedonians (Descended from Bulgarians)
2nd: Do you really think Macedonia and Montenegro will want to let Albania leech off them
3rd: Can you really see 2 Christian nations wanting to link up with a Muslim one?
4th: Considering the Past Conflict between the States, I hardly think they'd want to unite with a former Enemy
5th: You only came up with this idea as a way to Combat Serbia, of all the Fmr Yugoslav Republics, Macedonia and Montenegro are the Closest to Serbia
6. They've already learned how the Yugoslavia model turned out. Theres no way 2 smaller, richer nations would annex themselves to a larger, but poorer state
(New Zealander, 24 April 2011 12:55) ''

1st.Nobody is descedant from serbs, not even montenegrins, if serbs first created their state in zeta and raska, then it only means that serbs are the descedants of montenegrins, or even sandjak muslims, go tell a muslim in sandjak that he is a serb...yet the issue of settling in midle ages is tricky, sometimes it may not leave genetical traces more than cultural ones.. middle ages are not labeled as dark ages for nothing.. Montenegrins are very close to northen Albanians in appearance, even in menthality and traditions, during ottoman empire, northen Albanians called bajraktars and montenegrins were indipendent, and never were invaded, in 18th century, Iskodra vilayet and montenegrins even established the ''Illyrian Confederate'' but it was crushed, as for fyromians, true, they are bulgarians, but bulgarians and kosovo albanians have similar genetics as well..
2nd. Not at first, but with time they will get used to.
3rd. Neither Albania is muslim nation, nor montegrins and fyromians are christian ones, this is Europe not middle east, an european nation is defined by blood, not by abrahamic ideologies, so please spare that jewish mentality here...in Albania, what you call as muslims or christians are one blood, you should have seen our pagan festivals this year ,though...
4th.former enemy? I can see fyromians as our recent enenmies, but montenegrins used to be our closest allies in middle ages, even in 18th century, Northen ALbanians and Montegrins approached each other ,it was russia which saw montenegrin albanian friendship as dangeours in the 1870s.., on the other side, fyromians need protection to establish their identity, if they fell for greek and bulgarian influence, they are doomed anyway, ''macedonian'' identity can survive only if Albanians become powerful, why do you think fyrom supported Kosovo ? Both slavic branchs of slavs and fyromians are being treated unjustly, even us Albanians, instead of helping them, are creating for them problems. There are even voices that 2001 conflict in fyrom was work of serbian intelligence. The main problem in Fyrom is that many of their politicans are serbs...

5th.Not only to compete with Serbia. Also Greece and Rumenia which are far more powerful than Serbia in industry. If Albania, Montenegro, Kosovo and fyrom want to develop a stable economy with industry, we will need to cooperate, that is only way, we have great resources, the Durres harbour could become of regional importance and compete with Greece, at the end of day all is business..like the EU, when EU was more of economic union,it was very successful, when it turned more political, it almost failed...If Germany France and Britian created EU, why can't Albania, Fyrom and Montenegro?

However. I m surprised to see that some one who claimes to be a zelander is so deep in balkan matters...personally i have visited many balkan countries, yet i can not claim to know everything, while someone from new zealand claims to know more...that's arrogant.

6th. Yugoslavia failed, because slavic identies are a mess, serbs started claiming that fyromians were serbs, croats catholic serbs etc, in few word, it was a slavic soup, or a corbe...an Albanian can not claim that a montenegrin or macedonian slav is Albanian, simple. By saing that Albania is poor i don't know what you mean, we have invested in infrastructure last year more than fyrom, kosovo and montengro will be able to in a decade..and we alredy are getting the profits, the flux in Durres is booming each year, even Serbia will have to utilise our harbours in the future...

Constitution of the Republic of Serbia

Considering also that the Province of Kosovo and Metohija is an integral part of the territory of Serbia,

http://www.srbija.gov.rs/cinjenice_o_srbiji/ustav.php?change_lang=en

Shame on you Stefanovic,Tadic,Jeremic.Kostunica is right: You people are just a bunch of sell outs and traitors. We had a referendum where people voted to approve that constitution. Who are you to give away Serbian land like that?

I dont buy it for a second. It's mere rhetoric to facilitate talks and get the other side's hopes up the same as Shmatko questioning the S.Stream before Putin's visit set it straigh. At worst, we'd offer a partition they wouldn't accept, like taking more than just Serb-populated areas, that's it.
(highduke, 23 April 2011 13:08)

I like this arrogant way of thinking highduke. We Serbs can outsmart the Albanians.Keep doing it.You see it as rhetoric but that is what the Serbs are left with now."Good neighborly relations" are the magic words if you want to be member of the EU and get some of their dough.Stefanovic is the first from the Serbian camp that is saying it publicly.He is testing the waters.First reply from the Albanians(Edita Tahiri) is NO.Thomas M. Countryman The US Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary today said: Kosovo division is not an option.Americans can force the Albanian side to accept division but you Serbs would have to give an arm and a leg to convince Americans to do that.Presevo Valley,Sandzak,RS,NATO,Mlladic, all would be on the table and all on American terms.

I don't think that this latest round of talks has much hope of progress. "Stefanović is just another blgd regime nationalist; i sat a few feet away from him at their press conference in belgrade and gained no sense that he is in any way "moderate," progressive, open... "
============================

Roberto, you were no where near him and you know it. Who are you to be sitting only a few feet away from him at a press conference? What was your purpose there?

Please stop with lying like you being there or you not being an Albanian. Nobody believes you about anything you say. Just the word "Kosova" gives you away. If you really want to convince anyone that you are a Jew living in "Frisco" then don't use that word since only Albanians use it and don't lie about being anywhere near any Serbian politician.
Seriously, you are one messed up man.

''These three countries are of no importance now or in the future, even for gas pipelines. The South stream is going through Bulgaria and it will branch off to Greece then to Italy ''

I don't know what you hear in serbian coffee shop taks, but ALbania is bulidng the new fleet with dutchs, brand new ships are coming out every year in Vlora.. and the agreement to divide the ionian shelf with greeks was canceled by our supreme court, so our scum politicians can do nothing to sell Albanian land, and greece has litlle money left to corrupt our politicans anyway, who are becoming more hungry...if greece tries to build, they will either have to built it on disputed territory and get torpedoed by our ships...or built it with 15x more expences on safe shelf...also, you missed the latest news, Albania and Russia already reached an agreement, in the end it is all about business, huh?...

Greece might be far more powerful than Albania, if a frontal war happened, Greece would crush us in a few days, but it can not afford a conflict with Albania, after all, if our borders are touched, we will have to act, we have no choise, the stakes would be to high, greece has other enemies as wel... in 1996 a greek ship got shelled by our artillery when passing the border, and not a half word was said in protest by the greek side...our border is our border, we have nothing to lose after what we alredy lost in 1913...

"Belgrade should be open to losing Vojvodina, Sandzak, Preseva valley. Once you open pandora's box you can't complain later especially when you lose more than you win. (ivan, 23 April 2011 17:31)"

"Ivan",

You should ask yourself who actually opened "Pandora's Box" and the answers start with an A and ends with lbanians (plus their Western masters). The greedy Albanians have to start realizing that they and not the Serbs and Serbia will be the biggest losers and please let me know what you have really won completely by yourselves? Right, nothing, zero! Personally I am all in favor of getting rid of Presevo Valley and as far as I am concerned there should be a deal to send the 100,000+ Albanians in Belgrade to prison "Kosova" or Albania (even though they seem to be behaving reasonably well and enjoying their lives in Serbia, but they are too much risk for future trouble and Serbia has to start thinking about her own core interests first). Vojvodina is going nowhere unless Hungary and NATO are going to pull another Kosovo or Lybia.

With all respect, I think it should be the Albanians begging for partition. An independent Kosovo has failed dramatically. For years on the notion "Kosovo independence" stands for Crime, Corruption, Horror and Terror. I haven't read a single positive news on Kosovo for years. Why is there Serb politicians coming to provide first aid?

Kosovo partition is a poor choice,its conflict breeding arrangement and should be avoided.Kosovo Albanians should be given maximum possible autonomy for healthy, social,cultural and economic development.Sovereign state of Kosovo is out of question for following reasons:Kosovo was never Serbian colony, it created such large population imbalance through birth rate and uncontrolled immigration from Albania during axis occupations in World War II.Additionally,without dredging entire history of that region now,Kosovo Albanians were on the side of all occupying forces who ever they were, at any given time in history of that region against Serbs.
That's said,reconciliation must take place althogh it would be painful
and slow.To start with,the rule of law should be firmly establish.Serbs
and Kosovo Albanians are culturally different and for time being they
would have to live side by side as segregated societies bound by set
of principals and strong rule of law.For last, almost 12 years Kosovo
was and still is under UNMIK and EULEX rule Report card for that period is spotty at best,there is a reduction in ethnic violence but it's not
completely eliminated.There is no viable legal economy.Corruption is
prevalent and criminal elements rules that society.Even killing people
and organs trafficking took place during UNMIK tenure.As bad as this is
we must go forward and create better future for that region.

do not even think of that, Mr.Stefanovic.

whoever tries to give away serbian territory should be held responsible. beside of that, it would be illegal, so, it would be non-binding.

high treason is unacceptable.

These talks will fail, like every single talks in the past between ALbanians and Serbs...i think, Albania, Kosovo, Montenegro and Fyrom should fedealise, and create some kind of Balkan union, we could have all the importnat routes of balkans, the gas lines will pass through southern Albania, the mines and industry in Kosovo, tourism in Montenegro and Albania, majbe distribute power with Fyrom, 50/50, Skopje as capital which is also half Albanian half slav, the state would be very powerful, a socialist system would fit well to improve life standards...by blood fyromians albanians and montengrins are the same, the only slavs having true slavic blood are the serbs, the rest is slavisised autotoctones...no more brother wars...
(iliri, 24 April 2011 05:31)

1st: Montenegrins are true Slavs (Descended from Serbs), as are Macedonians (Descended from Bulgarians)
2nd: Do you really think Macedonia and Montenegro will want to let Albania leech off them
3rd: Can you really see 2 Christian nations wanting to link up with a Muslim one?
4th: Considering the Past Conflict between the States, I hardly think they'd want to unite with a former Enemy
5th: You only came up with this idea as a way to Combat Serbia, of all the Fmr Yugoslav Republics, Macedonia and Montenegro are the Closest to Serbia
6. They've already learned how the Yugoslavia model turned out. Theres no way 2 smaller, richer nations would annex themselves to a larger, but poorer state

I don't think that this latest round of talks has much hope of progress. Stefanović is just another blgd regime nationalist; i sat a few feet away from him at their press conference in belgrade and gained no sense that he is in any way "moderate," progressive, open...

Me: what's the point in continually repeating the nationalist rhetoric about "we will NEVER recognize independent kosovo" in the midst of negotiating, and with the knowledge that such a "never" is quite a silly proposition...

Stefanović: That's not nationalist rhetoric... we only said it 4 times, whereas the other side said it (presumably speaking of independent kosova) said it 37 times...

Me: when will serbia begin to honestly deal with the mass graves sites, such as the one at raska, which the eu fully informed you about nearly one year ago, not to mention the issue of mass burnings of albanian bodies by serb forces at trepka, mackatica, and possibly other sites inside serbia, about which we have a new report...

Stefanović: such matters need to be dealt with, by both sides, at some point in the future...

ok, this is paraphrasing but still accurate -- and frankly predictable.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 23 April 2011 19:49)


Roberto, you don't remember correctly. It was me, Putin, Obama, Stefanović and the Queen who asked your opinion, it was you who hold the briefing. The joke was that both Obama and the Queen had trouble to take notes of what you told. You should have more empathy towards your lesser colleagues.

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i agree with sonia biserko -- all of the former states of yugoslavia should be accepted at the same time, or you will end up with more of a mess than you started with. if serbia, for example, becomes a member before kosova, it will just use whatever power it gains to further club the people of kosova. serbia might technically join the organization (down the road) but gaining a progressive eu perspective is another matter entirely.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 23 April 2011 19:49)

"Kosova", "States of Yugoslavia"... are you sure, Yugoslavia had "states" (not "republics") and that Kosovo was one of them?

But next time if you finally can distinguish between written Serbo-Croatian and written Albanian, than maybe you can teach others something.

Until that: a windbag. Please tell us next time when Dalai Lama or Pope will interview you. Sicko.

Belgrade should be open to losing Vojvodina, Sandzak, Preseva valley. Once you open pandora's box you can't complain later especially when you lose more than you win.
(ivan, 23 April 2011 17:31) really mr. albanian do you know that today vojvodina is 75%+Serbs did you know that and sandzak did you know that muslim Serbs are 50-50 with the christian Serbs there and on the montenegrin side of sandzak the Serbs are majority did you know that i guess not and now the final preshovo is the only city with a slight albanian majority and Bujanovac and Medveđa are serbian majority did you know that no i guess not and did you know that already 10,000 albanians sold their houses to the Serbs in preshovo city you didnt know that either so i am guessing that albanians are going to be a minority there also so think before you speak.




Like the rest of Serbia, and neighboring Croatia and others
The days when the serbian province could boast 28 nationalities are long past. May 25, 2010

http://digg.com/story/r/Minorities_in_Serbia_Vanishing_Vojvodina

@Illiri:

Albania is developing warships? Interesting in my opinion.If I understood you correctly when you mentioned the Dutch do you mean to say that this shipbuilding project is a joint venture project between Albania & the Netherlands?Final question to pose is would you know if these ships are Albanian designed?

whoever tries to give away serbian territory should be held responsible. beside of that, it would be illegal, so, it would be non-binding.

high treason is unacceptable.
(Jovan, 24 April 2011 08:12)

If Serb representatives sign an international agreement to that effect and ratify it, that WILL BE binding for Serbia.

The rest is a matter for Serbia to resolve internally; external parties would care less

(CCCC, 23 April 2011 23:28)

I think what he meant was to withdraw the provincial autonomy of Nothern Kosovo and fully intergrate it with Serbia, without actually signing Kosovo away, because that would take any right their children or grandchildren have to legally liberate it.

(iliri, 24 April 2011 05:31)

These talks will fail and that’s to say Belgrade made an effort and so status quo for Kosovo.
Albanian, Kosovo and Montenegro are three financial bottomless pits that no amount of money poured into them will improve the living standards of the people unless you call unemployment a vocation and the EU pays the wages.
They have nothing of worth. If unified they would be as powerful as Kiribati in the Pacific Ocean (a series of atolls). I find it amazing that after posting for such a long time on this site you have learnt nothing. These three countries are of no importance now or in the future, even for gas pipelines. The South stream is going through Bulgaria and it will branch off to Greece then to Italy – no Albania, no Kosovo and no Montenegro - any gas that reaches these countries has to come from the main South Stream pipe and that is controlled by Belgrade. If Albania does not like it they can try the Greeks, I’m sure they are more amenable to you guys lol!!!!
As far as mining for minerals is concerned let me say that it’s cheaper to mine coal in Nebo, Queensland, Australia, have it washed and transported to an Albanian port than to dig it out in Kosovo and move it just over the border to Albania.
What tourism do you Albanians have in Kosovo or Montenegro, unless you call all those Churches and Monasteries Albanian? They were all build by Serbs. Albanians claim to be in the Balkans since Neolithic times, but there is not even a cave painting to prove any of those claims.
The only “Montenegrin” you share some commonality with are Albanians living in Montenegro the rest are Serbs or are you considering adopting Petar Petrovic Negos as an Albanian and that he secretly wrote about Albanian culture and history????

albanians on here should be in comedy because they sound funny and stupid. so now they say montenegrins are not Serbs well i am living proof, i am Montenegrin but Serb and if you albanians dont know in montenegro the new census shows Serbs in montenegro at 40% from 32% from the last census that's every second or third person in Montenegro a Serb in 2011, that's because montenegrins know we are Serbs only the criminals will say other wise because they want montenegro to be separated but news for you albanians we are uniting more with serbia as of late, but the next funny thing on here you say vojvodina is going to separate. where did you get that from ? lol its well over 75% Serbs in the province so i guess you could stop crying about that and next you say sandzak its funny but its 50-50% between the christian Serbs and the converted Muslim Serbs and in the montenegro part of sandzak its a total Serb majority so i guess you uneducated albanians know nothing but dumb conflict, and now the next one the presevo valley your only a majority in presevo city and your starting to lose there because 10,000 albanians have sold their homes to Serbs and moved ,so i am guessing your tiny population in the valley want trouble i advise you not especially what happened the last time which it only took Serb police to beat you down in 2 weeks and now your even in less population so you guys should go to school and get a education and not think of wars because you have no place for it because no more back up for you and that's proven your all alone. now kosovo you thought you guys had a population of 20 million in kosovo lol but now the new census shows albanians are 1 million and pristina has a population of just around 200,000 that's a big difference from the 700,000 you albanians said you had lol well i guess your getting smarter now and not having 15 kids and putting them on the streets to starve and beg now i guess you have brains to think and say when i have money and ready and stable then we could talk about kids instead of them being like gypsies and starving, good move there i give you albanians props on that, anyway your learning from the civilised world and the EU way. but to let you know this is just talk and kosovo is still part of serbia under the UN and eulex and you got no real powerful countries to back you anymore because they are broke(america) and others and you are being noticed as the new European terrorist groups that's what the world is labeling albanians as and the next one is that guy talking about building ships WITH norway or Netherlands i never heard that and that means nothing any way albania is the weakest and poorest nation in Europe so where is this so called albanian power lol your all amusing but love the stories on here. in albania we know there is a problem since 35% of albania is none albanians and people there are getting fed up with the albanian pressing the minorities not good since albania was given to you to live on from the Serbs and greeks because that fairy tale story that albanians are illyrians are proven you are not at all illyrian nor balkan peoples.

(iliri, 24 April 2011 14:45)

Building ships???? To transport what? Albanian BS? Or are you saying that they are military vessels? Have you also prepped your donkey brigades with men holding pitch forks in case you’re attacked by the Greeks? Please stop living in fantasy you’re making me laugh too hard.
Look long and hard where the gas pipeline is going and maybe you just might be surprised. A branch line from Southstream that is going through Serbia is planned to go to Kosovo and Albania, and if Albania/Kosovo does not behave then no gas and no industry, mate.
I imagine that the Greeks can’t invade Albania because of Turkey. Turkey is a THIRD WORLD country that could not fight 500 metres outside its own borders as seen in northern Iraq where they have been thrashed several times by the Kurds.
Ah yes the 1996 incident. That cost Albania a lot but you have to ask your historians or politicians about the repercussions from that action.
Your supreme court is nothing because they will have to divide it in favour of Greece. You still don’t get it. Greece is seen as the cradle of western civilization and the Albanians, well they did steal George Bush’s watch when he visited Tiranha. So I wonder who will the EU side with Albania or Greece?
If Serb representatives sign an international agreement to that effect and ratify it, that WILL BE binding for Serbia.

The rest is a matter for Serbia to resolve internally; external parties would care less
(icj1, 24 April 2011 19:24)

The Serb representative cannot sign any international agreement that is contrary to the Serbian constitution. Any agreements signed will be non binding and can be done away with by any side any time.

''1st: Montenegrins are true Slavs (Descended from Serbs), as are Macedonians (Descended from Bulgarians)
2nd: Do you really think Macedonia and Montenegro will want to let Albania leech off them
3rd: Can you really see 2 Christian nations wanting to link up with a Muslim one?
4th: Considering the Past Conflict between the States, I hardly think they'd want to unite with a former Enemy
5th: You only came up with this idea as a way to Combat Serbia, of all the Fmr Yugoslav Republics, Macedonia and Montenegro are the Closest to Serbia
6. They've already learned how the Yugoslavia model turned out. Theres no way 2 smaller, richer nations would annex themselves to a larger, but poorer state
(New Zealander, 24 April 2011 12:55) ''

1st.Nobody is descedant from serbs, not even montenegrins, if serbs first created their state in zeta and raska, then it only means that serbs are the descedants of montenegrins, or even sandjak muslims, go tell a muslim in sandjak that he is a serb...yet the issue of settling in midle ages is tricky, sometimes it may not leave genetical traces more than cultural ones.. middle ages are not labeled as dark ages for nothing.. Montenegrins are very close to northen Albanians in appearance, even in menthality and traditions, during ottoman empire, northen Albanians called bajraktars and montenegrins were indipendent, and never were invaded, in 18th century, Iskodra vilayet and montenegrins even established the ''Illyrian Confederate'' but it was crushed, as for fyromians, true, they are bulgarians, but bulgarians and kosovo albanians have similar genetics as well..
2nd. Not at first, but with time they will get used to.
3rd. Neither Albania is muslim nation, nor montegrins and fyromians are christian ones, this is Europe not middle east, an european nation is defined by blood, not by abrahamic ideologies, so please spare that jewish mentality here...in Albania, what you call as muslims or christians are one blood, you should have seen our pagan festivals this year ,though...
4th.former enemy? I can see fyromians as our recent enenmies, but montenegrins used to be our closest allies in middle ages, even in 18th century, Northen ALbanians and Montegrins approached each other ,it was russia which saw montenegrin albanian friendship as dangeours in the 1870s.., on the other side, fyromians need protection to establish their identity, if they fell for greek and bulgarian influence, they are doomed anyway, ''macedonian'' identity can survive only if Albanians become powerful, why do you think fyrom supported Kosovo ? Both slavic branchs of slavs and fyromians are being treated unjustly, even us Albanians, instead of helping them, are creating for them problems. There are even voices that 2001 conflict in fyrom was work of serbian intelligence. The main problem in Fyrom is that many of their politicans are serbs...

5th.Not only to compete with Serbia. Also Greece and Rumenia which are far more powerful than Serbia in industry. If Albania, Montenegro, Kosovo and fyrom want to develop a stable economy with industry, we will need to cooperate, that is only way, we have great resources, the Durres harbour could become of regional importance and compete with Greece, at the end of day all is business..like the EU, when EU was more of economic union,it was very successful, when it turned more political, it almost failed...If Germany France and Britian created EU, why can't Albania, Fyrom and Montenegro?

However. I m surprised to see that some one who claimes to be a zelander is so deep in balkan matters...personally i have visited many balkan countries, yet i can not claim to know everything, while someone from new zealand claims to know more...that's arrogant.

6th. Yugoslavia failed, because slavic identies are a mess, serbs started claiming that fyromians were serbs, croats catholic serbs etc, in few word, it was a slavic soup, or a corbe...an Albanian can not claim that a montenegrin or macedonian slav is Albanian, simple. By saing that Albania is poor i don't know what you mean, we have invested in infrastructure last year more than fyrom, kosovo and montengro will be able to in a decade..and we alredy are getting the profits, the flux in Durres is booming each year, even Serbia will have to utilise our harbours in the future...
(iliri, 24 April 2011 14:19)

1st. The Serbs created Montenegro around the 11th century, Bosniaks were descended from the Serbs and Croats who'd converted to Islam around the time of the Turks. The Illyrian conference was created around the time the Southern slavs thought they Were Illyrian (which was proven wrong). No one in Montenegro (or in the rest of the world) denies that Montenegrins are descended from Serbs. As for Slavo-Macedonians, they're closer to Ukranians, Serbs, Russians and Montenegrins then they ever were to Albanians.

2. It doesnt matter if they'd get used to it later, they've got to unite first, which they wouldnt want to do.

3. I'm Catholic, not Jewish, and in the Past decade Islamophobia has grown immensly, thats forgetting that its the Balkans we're talking about.

4. FYOM (or SlavoMacedonia as I like to call it) supported Kosovo (just as Montenegro did) because it improves their chances of getting into the EU. The reason for the 2001 conflict was not Serbs, (sounds like some of those "Zionist conspiracies to take over the world") It was an attempt to create Greater Albania. As for Serbs in Macedonia's parliament, theres only 2 of them. Montenegro went to war with the Albanians in 1999, its irrelevant what happened in the 1870s, or in 1912 when both Serbia and Montenegro had a big part in Creating Albania.

5. The EU is far from a State union between traditional enemies, a quote from the Godfather comes to mind: "Your father did buisness with Hyman Roth, Your Father respected Hyman roth, but your father never trusted Hyman roth", The same quote with a little editing applies here.

What I have done is studied the Balkans a great deal and I see myself as rather a neutral then arrogant. The same couldnt be said for you, who only looks at one side of the story (the Albanian one) and bases his opinion on that, however; since that is what you'd expect anyone to do , I dont blame you

Every state union between two countries (aside from those who are almost exactly the same. Eg. Prussians & Bavarians) are doomed to fail, combine that with the Balkan factor and then theres going to be issues. The EU worked 1st. Because the dominant nations (France, Germany and the UK) were also the richest, Switzerland & Luxembourg; are both richer though and did not join because they dont want to give their wealth away. Two smaller but richer nations (Macedonia and Montenegro) would not annex themselves to a larger, poorer one.

6. This ideology (greater Albania) isnt new, I hardly think Montenegro or FYOM who fought bravely against it, would peacefully go for it.

7. Just a few more examples are around. In NZ theres a party called "51st State" whose sole policy is to annex NZ to the USA, this would make NZ richer and more powerful, but no one votes for the Party becuase we value our independence, the same could be said for the MyRussia party in Serbia whose sole policy is to annex the place to (you guessed it) Russia, but like 51st state in NZ, people in Serbia (just like they do in the rest of the Balkans) value their independence and wouldnt want to join a state union with Russia (regardless of the fact that the two nations are so close and it would bring much wealth and power to Serbia).

Just a few more examples are around. In NZ theres a party called "51st State" whose sole policy is to annex NZ to the USA, this would make NZ richer and more powerful, but no one votes for the Party becuase we value our independence, the same could be said for the MyRussia party in Serbia whose sole policy is to annex the place to (you guessed it) Russia, but like 51st state in NZ, people in Serbia (just like they do in the rest of the Balkans) value their independence and wouldnt want to join a state union with Russia (regardless of the fact that the two nations are so close and it would bring much wealth and power to Serbia).
(New Zealander, 25 April 2011 03:31)

I would vote for both parties ;-)

Makes huge sense in both cases. At least, the borders of Russia are untouchable and Russia has enough Very Scary Stuff™ to make any question of these little Kosova Car Insurance booths on the Kosovo "border" a non-issue because there wouldn't be anything even closely resembling the border considered.

''Ah yes the 1996 incident. That cost Albania a lot but you have to ask your historians or politicians about the repercussions from that action. ''

4 greek sailors did not live to tell the story, you see, that example served them well, no more alike incidents were registered...you step in our territory , and you never leave, simple as that. Of course, we, unlike Turkey, do not have latest aircraft and submarines so we can sightsee the greek islands , but if Greeks violate our waters, they will get torpedoed, plain and simple.

Greek civilistaion? Germans were barbarians back then, purely savages, along with vikings and saxones, look at them now, greece is begging them for money every month, at least Albania does not get any aid from EU, i would rather give up my TV set and have a leaking roof than live in a loft be full of debts...yeah right, i m so ashamed, we Albanians stole Bush's watch. Actually you don't know the true story, we made an agreement with Bush, we steal his watch, and Bush got the insurance money...see? no one harmed, apart from the jews running the insurances...

''Turkey is a THIRD WORLD country that could not fight 500 metres outside its own borders as seen in northern Iraq where they have been thrashed several times by the Kurds. ''

I honestly don't care what Turkey does to kurds and greeks, it is a turkish-greek-kurdish issue afterall, but for your info, Cyprus is further than just ''500 metres'' ... didn't Turkey blow up a greek plane inside greek territory a couple of years eirler? It seems that crushing down a greek fighter is easier than chasing down the kurds, huh?

dodosour read the whole article and then type



The results of this research show that about one million or 35% of the total population in the country are members of minorities. This makes Albania a multiethnic state," said the Director of the Center for Ethnic Research in Tirana, Kimet Fetahu.

@iliri:

If you read my comments which are also an inquiry I'd appreciate it if you can come up with a response.Thank You.

@Gajo:

Perhaps this would be somewhat off topic to ask but since I've noticed your criticism of Albanians what is your opinion of Albanians who get a "kick" out of swearing in English? It may not interest you but years ago at a social function held in another part of my province I met some male guests who are Kosovar-Albanians and guess what? They were using obscene language in cursing the late Slobodan Milosevic ( my apologies if his name brings terrible memories) which I found hilarious.If necessary I asked one of these fellows if there were any Albanians who were pro-Milosevic and I believe he replied yes and my reply was "idiots"!So again what do you think of Albanians who dislike or disdain other Albanians who are said to be pro-Milosevic? I personally don't blame them for disliking or despising them.

'' 1. @iliri:

If you read my comments which are also an inquiry I'd appreciate it if you can come up with a response.Thank You.
(resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada, 25 April 2011 21:31) ''

i don't quite remember, but the ships will be the same as the ''Iliria'' that we already have, they will be five more or five in total, still for a small country like ours , such small ships are enough...we don't plan in ivading any country after all...and yes, they are designed by dutchs, but will be built in Vlora. I have seen bigger ships in army and navy exercises but i guess they are american not albanian.

The Serb representative cannot sign any international agreement that is contrary to the Serbian constitution. Any agreements signed will be non binding and can be done away with by any side any time.
(sj, 25 April 2011 00:29)

Again, if the ratification instrument is send to the other party by some somebody representing Serbia (the President, Primer Minister or Minister of Foreign Affairs), the international agreement is binding on Serbia. Serbia can then put on trial and execute, if it wants, whoever ratified it, but that's an internal Serbian problem; it does not make the agreement non-binding. The binding or non-binding is determined by the international law, not Serbia's domestic law. Otherwise it would be easy for States to get out of any agreement by just modifying their domestic laws :). For more information, you can read the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (Serbia has already ratified it, but even if it were not, it still is binding because it is part of the international custumory law).

http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/1_1_1969.pdf