EULEX “can handle investigation on its own”

EULEX are not to be trusted and cannot perform this investigation impartially.

I believe that EULEX is capable of an investigation, it's just that it's not in their interests to do conduct one. All the more reason to involve another party to shed some new light and bring justice to all.

"and avoid a veto from any of its permanent members - Russia, the U.S., China, France and Great Britain, the daily stressed."

so not only one but 3 vetos 100% guaranted from US,GB,FR its a waste of time for serbia

well, I don´t know whether the US,the Brits or anyone else would veto such a propasal, since it is about finding out the truth. IF the US or the Brits or whoever would dare to veto such a proposal, I think that would shed a certain light on those countries.
...and to be honest, I do not expect them to lose credibility in order to protect albanian crimes in KiM.

maybe I am wrong, but maybe some of our dear k-albanian friends are just and simply overestimating their importance, we will see.

but one thing should be clear: this occupant-organisation that they call eulex is certainly not capable of "handling an investigation on its own" - they have already proven that they are not.

so there can be no serious discussion about that.

I assume this kid Vuk, is not aware that ICTY and UNMIK did conduct an investigation and they came up empty handed. Maybe he is thinking on bringing some investigators from outer space aka alliens.

@Agim Kelmendi:

kiddo, stop fooling yourself! there was no investigation that deserves to be called that way.

the mere fact, that Mr.Marty´s report had such a response, internationally, says it all. even if you seem to ignore it.

I think you should rather sit back and think a little bit, before you write things like that.

You´d do yourself a favour!

and avoid a veto from any of its permanent members - Russia, the U.S., China, France and Great Britain, the daily stressed."

so not only one but 3 vetos 100% guaranted from US,GB,FR its a waste of time for serbia
(stasi, 21 April 2011 12:36)
If there is a proposal for anyone other than the ICTY or EULEX to conduct the investigation, there will probably be a counter proposal by the other side to have it done by EULEX. The veto will not be on whether to have an investigation but by whom.
Also do not be so quick to put China on the side of Serbia and Russia on this one. This has nothing to do with the independence issue. China has a judge on the ICTY and has been very supportive of EULEX taking over in Kosovo. I would say they would have a tendency to lean toward having one of the 2 assume jurisdiction over any investigation.

So let's get this straight Agim our posting troll. If a murder investigation in Miami cannot prosecute a suspect due to lack of evidence, the police put the file on hold or continue the investigation until amassing evidence. Charges can be filed at a later date, and this happens almost daily in any major metropolitan in America. Your desire to avoid any criminal liabilty by your fascist leaders and fellow Albanian terrorists is not surprising. Based on your delusional views, justice is unavailable except for whining Albanians who have been and will continue to be the basement dwellers of southern Europe.

but actually, it´s interesting that an albanian is thinking about who is gonna pay, when it is about investigating albanian crimes, isn´t it?

if that is your only sorrow...

last but not least, please do not distract from the real questions by posting some pseudo-arguments here, you only waste your and our time with that.
(Jovan, 22 April 2011 16:36)
Well again you are wrong on many accounts.
1. I am American without any bloodlines that lead to the balkans, so it is I who will be footing the majority of the bill.
2. The "talk is cheap" phrase is in relation to the fact that Serbia wants the creation of a new organization to investigate when others are in place and the fact that it will cost Serbia or Russia practically nothing in relation to the enormous expense. I am not opposed to an investigation just that it should be done by existing means.
3. As far as the Illyrian or the Serbian views on who was first in Kosovo or the balkans, I could care less. I do not understand the bs of it all probably due to the fact that in America we have no history back more than 3-400 years. To me history is interesting but it is history and I do not live in the past as so many of you all do.
4. As far as the shooting of children or the beating of a Serbian woman, I pretty much stand in the same place as with the beating, rapes, murder and torture of Albanians by Serb forces. The perpetrators should be punished to the full extent of the law.
5."last but not least, please do not distract from the real questions by posting some pseudo-arguments here, you only waste your and our time with that" I realize my comments are a waste of my time as they will never change your view as it is unchangeable. As far as wasting your time, it is your choice as to whether to read or not.

But I do love the one trait I have found on here by the predominantly Serbian posters, in the absence of a good argument they rely on trying to insult their opposition.

and when the K-albanians were celebrating the ICJ-opinion as an albanian victory, although this court didn´t take up a position at all and only shirked responsibility, where were you then with your smart phrases?
(Jovan, 22 April 2011 16:36)

I think we were here to say what we had been saying even before that: the declaration of independence of Kosovo adopted on 17 February 2008 did not violate international law.

(Jovan, 23 April 2011 00:03)
Should it make you feel better to think of me as Albanian so be it, I do not regard it as an insult. But the fact is you are wrong. My interests in Kosovo come from working there from 2006-2009. As far as a violation of the constitution. Clinton needed permission from Congress to declare war on Serbia, this he did not. Maybe a technicality but enough of one that satisfied Congress, they went on to endorse the action and to approve funding for the mission.

I do not have to be Albanian to know when they are being insulted and to comment on it, I lived through most of the racial tension of the 60's and up and could tell when blacks were insulted and knew this was wrong even though I was still a child. I lived in a segregated society but my parents taught me we are all human and people are to be judged by their individual merits not by the color of their skin. A lesson that was probably never mentioned at your household (speaking of ethniticity here and not skin color) This part confuses me even more at least in America the race issue was a noticeable difference but my time in Kosovo I was never able to distinguish between a Serbian and an Albanian by looks.

But to go back to my previous post, being unable to legitimately argue with me you think you can insult me but calling me an Albanian would be an insult to a Serbian not me, most Americans are pretty much mongrel without an ethnic identity.
The bottom line is my identity is irrelevant what is relevant is that EULEX is capable of doing the investigation and probably will be the choice of any decision coming out of the UNSC. There is a slight possibility that it will be deferred to the ICTY or even a joint venture between EULEX and UNMIK. Ban may even appoint a special envoy to work with the organization and report back to the UNSC on developments, but I am confident this envoy would be neither Marty nor Del ponte.
The difference between you and I is that you see Serbian actions against Albanians as justified and Albanian actions against Serbs as crimes. I do not buy into the Serbian persecution of Albanians in the 90's as justified which is not only the position of the US govt but also one I developed through my own interviews there.
I do feel that any attacks on innocent children or civilians without provocation should be prosecuted despite any ethnic, racial, or religious affiliation.

well, "a new day", sometimes justice and vengeance is the same. but you are terribly wrong, if you think I want only vengeance. it seems like it makes no sense explaining to you why the greater-albanian project is not only immoral but also criminal, but what is really a strange thing to see is the mentioning of "talk is cheap"!

let me ask you, in all seriousness, ( since you are mentioning seriousness at all ) why did you not say " talk is cheap " when the K-albanians were constantly boring us all to death with their wishful-thinking of being the descendants of the "illyrians"? that was not cheap? =) I found it quite ridiculous though, but it symbolizes quite good the K-albanian inferiority complex, the wish to be someone, to have a certain relevance in history and so on...,

or where was your "talk is cheap" when the K-albanians kiddies here were downplaying the shooting of innocent bathing children, serbian children, to be precise or the beating of an old serbian woman in Pristina? where were you then, Mr."new day"?

and when the K-albanians were celebrating the ICJ-opinion as an albanian victory, although this court didn´t take up a position at all and only shirked responsibility, where were you then with your smart phrases?

let me tell you one thing, it is cheap clinging to outdated theories that are mere phantasies today, at best.

it is cheap to belittle albanian crimes of the worst kind.

and aimed at you,it is also cheap to post platitudes when you have nothing to say, actually.

oh by the way, don´t you worry about who will pay an investigation, my dear k-albanian friend. IF there is an interest to clarify this, those who are so deeply involved in south-eastern europe, will also pay for this. they simply cannot afford to let this stain stay on their oh so clean slate.

but actually, it´s interesting that an albanian is thinking about who is gonna pay, when it is about investigating albanian crimes, isn´t it?

if that is your only sorrow...

last but not least, please do not distract from the real questions by posting some pseudo-arguments here, you only waste your and our time with that.

first, it´s not about my personal view, it is about international law, justice, moral values and historical arguments here. and in each of these mentioned points, the K-albanians have nothing to offer on behalf of "their cause".
(Jovan, 23 April 2011 00:03)

Yes, it is about international law. And the ICJ was convinced by the arguments offered by the K-Albanians that their UDI did not violate international law. You may not be convinced, but, hey, unfortunately you are no the authority on the matter.



...last but not least, my view is indeed, unchangeable. KiM is serbian territory, and will stay serbian.
(Jovan, 23 April 2011 00:03)

Sure, everybody is entitled to his/her opinion. What matters though is what the people who leave in a territory think. I may think that, say, China is Albanian territory, but I'm not sure how much that would matter (unless, of course, the majority of the people in China think the same).



Serbia has an army and an economy, and Serbia is getting stronger. the criminal regime in Pristina has neither the one nor the other.
(Jovan, 23 April 2011 00:03)

And then what ? You'll force the Albanians in Kosovo to go back under Serbia ?!



dream your dreams about greater Albania, while Serbia prepares to liberate what has always been serbian.
(Jovan, 23 April 2011 00:03)

Liberate what and by whom ?



ps: if you were an american, you should rather care why Mr.Clinton violated your very own constitution by attacking a sovereign country without asking the congress before...
(Jovan, 23 April 2011 00:03)

I'm not aware of any court having said that Mr. Clinton violated the law; but you may know better

well, there it is, you´re unveiling your motivation. supporting a "free and independent" Kosovo is just the same. you are supporting an illegal freak creation on serbian territory, that has been violently created by criminals and terrorists, at least if you take into account the word of your former official Mr.Holbrooke, who first called that army of chickenthieves what they really are, a bunch of terrorists. only later the official standpoint changed, when the US finally started openly supporting anti-serbian criminals.

interestingly, the only US-citizens to support that stillborn freak-creation I have heard about, ( and my american friends told me so )and who served in southern Serbia, illegally of course, are those who have relationships with K-albanian girls. given that some albanian girls are being told to seek relations to foreign officials, especially high-ranking bureaucrats, I do not even wonder about that.
so, your mentioning of that kind of connection, is really no argument. I say A and you say B, nothing more.

given that the US have stopped declaring war, what is also a sign of rogue-state behaviour, the alleged checks and balances you are mentioning do not give their aggressions a higher meaning , you call it simply interventions, but belittlement is a quite weak propaganda-weapon.


and furthermore, it is you who might not understand: Serbia has been occupied by the muslim ottomans for five centuries, longer than the US of A even exist, and the Serbs did not surrender. they kept their religion, culture and language. in the end, they liberated their territory, they prevailed.

I am convinced, the US-occupiers and their "allies" ( partners in crime would be the better term ) will leave much earlier. and Serbia will be there, no matter what poeple like you might think or say. and then, the illegal freak creation will come to an end quite naturally. as for that alleged continuity of US-commitment in south-eastern europe, well if you believe in that, I am fine with that.

you know, what actually made me smile in your comments was that undertone of alleged moral values and human rights that you were trying to display here.
whoever supports the k-albanian terrorists is clearly discredited, there is simply and definitely no room for him to argue with moral values.

instead of asking what the heck the USofA have lost in southern Serbia, you are playing the role that has been developed long ago in order to justify military aggressions at the "home front"...and it simply does not work. unfortunately you are just another person who still hasn´t realized it yet.

when the US and their socalled allies started to fight Yugoslavia in the beginning nineties, and primarily Serbia as the main obstacle, ...it was not about human rights, I guess that you certainly know that.

it was about tapping a new market. if you really thought that you could take me or others here for a fool by playing the human-rights-card, ...that attempt has failed miserably.

nevertheless your comments have beautifully displayed the techniques that are still being used to decieve and manipulate others.

and the only insult here could possibly be seen in the attempt to connect US-foreign-policy in southern-europe with the fight human rights. that is the ultimate insult to reason.

again, it is you who might not understand...

well, I don´t know whether the US,the Brits or anyone else would veto such a propasal, since it is about finding out the truth. IF the US or the Brits or whoever would dare to veto such a proposal, I think that would shed a certain light on those countries.
...and to be honest, I do not expect them to lose credibility in order to protect albanian crimes in KiM.

maybe I am wrong, but maybe some of our dear k-albanian friends are just and simply overestimating their importance, we will see.

but one thing should be clear: this occupant-organisation that they call eulex is certainly not capable of "handling an investigation on its own" - they have already proven that they are not.

so there can be no serious discussion about that.
(Jovan, 21 April 2011 15:45)
Fortunately you will not be involved in any serious discussions about conducting an investigation.
The US nor UK will veto an investigation, however they may veto the set up of a totally new organization to investigate and instead insist that it be handled by one of the existing ones, ie either EULEX or the ICTY. Of course it could be handled by UNMIK but that would create an enormous expense to rebuild the organization as it is almost defunct.
And needless to say you will be critical of any investigtion that does not render the results that you want, which is not seeking the "truth" only vengeance.
By the way, who do you think is going to finance an investigation, Serbia and Russia's part will come to less than 2% while the US, UK, France will pay more than 40%. I guess the epitome of the phrase of "talk is cheap"

Jovan,
I forgot one thing. The ICJ was a Kosovo victory, how could you say otherwise. They were not the one to pose the question, and it was answered in their favor. Only those who think that Res 1244 is a pro Serbian document can see the ICJ ruling as being pro Serbian and there is no dealing with that.
If you have actually read either of them yourself, then you know the truth but choose to deny it. If you have never read them but depend on your leaders for interpretation, then you have my sympathy.

The fact you threw that in shows you are more interested in arguing with an "Albanian" then making an argument. I think you understand the difference.

my dear "american" friend " with no bloodlines from the Balkans", ..if so, why then don´t you face the albanian crimes without distracting with alleged serbian crimes?

well, I´d say that you are wrong, for various reasons.

first, it´s not about my personal view, it is about international law, justice, moral values and historical arguments here. and in each of these mentioned points, the K-albanians have nothing to offer on behalf of "their cause".

and secondly, another indicator that you are a K-albanian: IF you were an american, you wouldn´t be whining here about being insulted by me. that´s the typical behavioural pattern of our dear k-albanian friends here, who are hiding behind changing, predominantly western, nick-names in order to create the impression ( as if somebody cares for that ) of being watched by "the world" etc.

either they feel "insulted" ( by simple facts ! ) or they are interpreting each and every word as a " threat "...

so, please stop whining here, since I haven´t insulted anyone here. the mere attempt to connect Serbs to that kind of behaviour is simply another point that makes your claim to be a non-albanian quite implausible.

...last but not least, my view is indeed, unchangeable. KiM is serbian territory, and will stay serbian. it´s only a question of time, and the USofA will let you down. and like a british ( at least he claimed to be it ) writer here said only a few days ago: Serbia has an army and an economy, and Serbia is getting stronger. the criminal regime in Pristina has neither the one nor the other.

so whatever you might bring up, it would be a waste of time, as I have already said it.

dream your dreams about greater Albania, while Serbia prepares to liberate what has always been serbian.


ps: if you were an american, you should rather care why Mr.Clinton violated your very own constitution by attacking a sovereign country without asking the congress before...

but, that´s something a K-albanian doesn´t even think of... he´s too much occupied with those helpless attempts to let the Serbs look like they were aggressors.

time will show that Serbia is all but an aggressor in this tragedy.

@a new day:

I´m afraid I do not get it, what is so difficult to understand if I write that I have not insulted anyone here. are you deliberately ignoring that?
I won´t pay further attention to accusations like that, since this makes no sense.

you may claim as long as you wish that I am not able to legitimately argue with you, but that does not change the facts. the socalled uck-terrorists killed serb and albanian civillians alike, just because they were against the "greater albanian project". if you belittle that as "albanian actions" ...well, you might not know what you are talking about.

and please, stop boring us with these accusations, neither I nor any other serbian here has written any racist comments. and even if, how you still claim to be, are an american, I couldn´t care less about your race or descent. so cut that crap about racism, that´s really stupid,boring and nothing more.
as you might have realized the only "racial" nonsense here comes from our dear k-albanian friends, when they write about Serbs being "Siberians" and who knows what else they have been taught in their illegal shadow-"schools". so playing the racial card here in order to make the Serbs look like racists has only counterproductive effects at best.


"I do feel that any attacks on innocent children or civilians without provocation should be prosecuted despite any ethnic, racial, or religious affiliation. "

well, a new day, if you are an american,why don´t you not start action against your own government then? not only in southern Serbia, but actually all over the world the US-regimes of the last decades have done that, they attacked innocent civilians with their socalled surgically precise laser- or GPS-guided weapons. in southern Serbia they bombed schools and hospitals and even water supply for civilians.

furthermore, belittling the violation of the US-constitution as a technicality, and saying that they approved funding is enough for you, to sleep well? well, ...the US-americans have to live with this kind of "democracy", others refuse it.

last but not least, I know many US-citizens who served in southern Serbia and most of them told me that they could very well distinguish between albanian and serbian villages. and these guys were not racists either. but what was much more interesting: they all said they changed their opinion about southern Serbia and that they would support Serbia today, if they could change something. the only thing I answered to them was " tell that what you´ve told me to your onw fellow-americans " and they said they would.

bottomline: you would be the first G.I. who supports the "greater albanian project" after having served some time in southern Serbia.


@icj: there are a lot more things you do not seem to be aware of, my dear. and unfortunately understanding the non-binding opinion seems to be too difficult for you, although you´d only have to scroll down and read...

(Jovan, 24 April 2011 08:06)
I have never said I support the greater Albanian project, I support a free and independent Kosovo. Nor do I support the greater Serbia project either. The only GI's or IPO's that I have known that support the Serbian view are those that have married the young Serbian girls they met while in Kosovo.
I am very happy with both the constitution and the checks and balances of the US government system. I sometimes do not agree with things the govt does, but no one does in any country except those countries which you are not allowed to have a dissenting opinion.
I do feel the action Clinton took was 100% necessary and justified and the US official stance on Kosovo has not changed with either Democratic nor Republican administration. If you check US history we have only Declared War 5 times in our history but we have had many military interventions.
As far as the insults go, I stand by my earlier posts, whether you understand or not.

@icj: there are a lot more things you do not seem to be aware of, my dear. and unfortunately understanding the non-binding opinion seems to be too difficult for you, although you´d only have to scroll down and read...
(Jovan, 24 April 2011 08:06)

Dear Joavan, let me think about it... We have:

A. A non-binding opinion from ICJ asked by Vuk;

B. An opinion from Jovan (not sure who asked it);

Hmmmm, let me think which one is more authoritative between (A) and (B)... !

jovan,
The interesting thing here is I view your comments exactly the way you view mine. I find your attitudes toward the Albanians as morally reprehensible as apparently you find my views equally so.
The only big difference I see is you were born this way and raised that there was no other way of life, I developed my views in Kosovo after research and personal experiences and interactions while there.

to "a new day":

the ICJ-"verdict" - which is not more than an opinion at best, is certainly no victory " for Kosovo " since they avoided to take position.

it is actually just a simple question of logic, but you seem to ignore it deliberately. and then you are even accusing me of denial. quite ineffective attempt to distract, I would say.

with a lot of naivety, you could claim that the "declaration" of dependence is not violating international law, if you follow the tricky "argumentation" of that court - of course it is not violating international law.

it´s the same with for instance disneyland declaring independence, since there is no law prohibiting that,there is also no violation of a non-existing regulation. well, if that pleases you you are free to call that a victory, and you are also free to stay in that strange mental state, I couldn´t care less actually.

let´s cut it short: you seem to be ignoring most simple facts. therefore this conversation serves no purpose. let´s leave it at that, I simply do not want to waste further time with you.

whether you are a socalled troll or just alone and searching for a conversation or whatever the reasons may be that you are writing such a nonsense is not important, but I think it has become clear enough for any reader here that you do not bring up arguments, but only accusations and at the same time ignore facts or twist and bend them until they fit into your narrow sight.

so you have had your opportunity and you didn´t succeed. I wish you good luck for your further life.

okay, now I got the impression you are a simple i-net troll. not only writing stupid things about being " born that way " what actually says a lot about yourself, but also not being able to stop it.

dude, I even got some albanian friends, so please spare us with those stupid accusations about what I allegedly think of the Albanians. and I was not " born and raised that way ", I am only using arguments which you cannot confute. and the ineffective attempt to defame me as being racist, nationalist or whatever are just displaying the weakness of your " argumentation ".

to be honest, who cares for your "experiences" while you were in southern Serbia? you know nothing, I´d say. I first thought about you and asked myself whether you are a victim or a perpetrator, whether you are just a simple mind who believes the rather stupid propaganda twists produced in US-american think tanks ( among others ) or whether you are one of those evil types who are spreading conflicts and hatred in order to achieve more profit for the US.

what is almost best: that level of arrogance, in which you are writing is just amusing. you´d certainly love to add here that you and the US had to " intervene " in order to stop barbarians to kill each other, or some similar nonsense.

( unfortunately the B-92 censors have cut out the important part of my last comment - which is not so surprising actually, given that they are financed from abroad )

after all, it doesn´t matter whether you are simply naive or deliberately spreading propaganda. you have just disqualified yourself, and that is quite enough result for me.

the bottom-line is: the more you " intervene " all over the world, the more you will be hated, what is already today a problem for the average US-tourist when travelling the world . and that should make you start thinking, actually. and the other thing is that that the US and poeple like you with their chit-chat won´t prevent Serbia from liberating the occupied southern serbian territory. that is inevitable. it is just a question of time.


@icj: you really don´t get it. there is a difference between logic and your interpretation of that "opininon". but I won´t spend more time either with you, it wouldn´t make sense.

whether you are a socalled troll or just alone and searching for a conversation or whatever the reasons may be that you are writing such a nonsense is not important, but I think it has become clear enough for any reader here that you do not bring up arguments, but only accusations and at the same time ignore facts or twist and bend them until they fit into your narrow sight.

so you have had your opportunity and you didn´t succeed. I wish you good luck for your further life.
(Jovan, 24 April 2011 21:25)
socalled troll?? Thanks for proving my point, in the absence of a valid argument, you resort to insults. Good day to you to.

EULEX are not to be trusted and cannot perform this investigation impartially.

I believe that EULEX is capable of an investigation, it's just that it's not in their interests to do conduct one. All the more reason to involve another party to shed some new light and bring justice to all.

well, I don´t know whether the US,the Brits or anyone else would veto such a propasal, since it is about finding out the truth. IF the US or the Brits or whoever would dare to veto such a proposal, I think that would shed a certain light on those countries.
...and to be honest, I do not expect them to lose credibility in order to protect albanian crimes in KiM.

maybe I am wrong, but maybe some of our dear k-albanian friends are just and simply overestimating their importance, we will see.

but one thing should be clear: this occupant-organisation that they call eulex is certainly not capable of "handling an investigation on its own" - they have already proven that they are not.

so there can be no serious discussion about that.

"and avoid a veto from any of its permanent members - Russia, the U.S., China, France and Great Britain, the daily stressed."

so not only one but 3 vetos 100% guaranted from US,GB,FR its a waste of time for serbia

I assume this kid Vuk, is not aware that ICTY and UNMIK did conduct an investigation and they came up empty handed. Maybe he is thinking on bringing some investigators from outer space aka alliens.

@Agim Kelmendi:

kiddo, stop fooling yourself! there was no investigation that deserves to be called that way.

the mere fact, that Mr.Marty´s report had such a response, internationally, says it all. even if you seem to ignore it.

I think you should rather sit back and think a little bit, before you write things like that.

You´d do yourself a favour!

and avoid a veto from any of its permanent members - Russia, the U.S., China, France and Great Britain, the daily stressed."

so not only one but 3 vetos 100% guaranted from US,GB,FR its a waste of time for serbia
(stasi, 21 April 2011 12:36)
If there is a proposal for anyone other than the ICTY or EULEX to conduct the investigation, there will probably be a counter proposal by the other side to have it done by EULEX. The veto will not be on whether to have an investigation but by whom.
Also do not be so quick to put China on the side of Serbia and Russia on this one. This has nothing to do with the independence issue. China has a judge on the ICTY and has been very supportive of EULEX taking over in Kosovo. I would say they would have a tendency to lean toward having one of the 2 assume jurisdiction over any investigation.

well, I don´t know whether the US,the Brits or anyone else would veto such a propasal, since it is about finding out the truth. IF the US or the Brits or whoever would dare to veto such a proposal, I think that would shed a certain light on those countries.
...and to be honest, I do not expect them to lose credibility in order to protect albanian crimes in KiM.

maybe I am wrong, but maybe some of our dear k-albanian friends are just and simply overestimating their importance, we will see.

but one thing should be clear: this occupant-organisation that they call eulex is certainly not capable of "handling an investigation on its own" - they have already proven that they are not.

so there can be no serious discussion about that.
(Jovan, 21 April 2011 15:45)
Fortunately you will not be involved in any serious discussions about conducting an investigation.
The US nor UK will veto an investigation, however they may veto the set up of a totally new organization to investigate and instead insist that it be handled by one of the existing ones, ie either EULEX or the ICTY. Of course it could be handled by UNMIK but that would create an enormous expense to rebuild the organization as it is almost defunct.
And needless to say you will be critical of any investigtion that does not render the results that you want, which is not seeking the "truth" only vengeance.
By the way, who do you think is going to finance an investigation, Serbia and Russia's part will come to less than 2% while the US, UK, France will pay more than 40%. I guess the epitome of the phrase of "talk is cheap"

So let's get this straight Agim our posting troll. If a murder investigation in Miami cannot prosecute a suspect due to lack of evidence, the police put the file on hold or continue the investigation until amassing evidence. Charges can be filed at a later date, and this happens almost daily in any major metropolitan in America. Your desire to avoid any criminal liabilty by your fascist leaders and fellow Albanian terrorists is not surprising. Based on your delusional views, justice is unavailable except for whining Albanians who have been and will continue to be the basement dwellers of southern Europe.

well, "a new day", sometimes justice and vengeance is the same. but you are terribly wrong, if you think I want only vengeance. it seems like it makes no sense explaining to you why the greater-albanian project is not only immoral but also criminal, but what is really a strange thing to see is the mentioning of "talk is cheap"!

let me ask you, in all seriousness, ( since you are mentioning seriousness at all ) why did you not say " talk is cheap " when the K-albanians were constantly boring us all to death with their wishful-thinking of being the descendants of the "illyrians"? that was not cheap? =) I found it quite ridiculous though, but it symbolizes quite good the K-albanian inferiority complex, the wish to be someone, to have a certain relevance in history and so on...,

or where was your "talk is cheap" when the K-albanians kiddies here were downplaying the shooting of innocent bathing children, serbian children, to be precise or the beating of an old serbian woman in Pristina? where were you then, Mr."new day"?

and when the K-albanians were celebrating the ICJ-opinion as an albanian victory, although this court didn´t take up a position at all and only shirked responsibility, where were you then with your smart phrases?

let me tell you one thing, it is cheap clinging to outdated theories that are mere phantasies today, at best.

it is cheap to belittle albanian crimes of the worst kind.

and aimed at you,it is also cheap to post platitudes when you have nothing to say, actually.

oh by the way, don´t you worry about who will pay an investigation, my dear k-albanian friend. IF there is an interest to clarify this, those who are so deeply involved in south-eastern europe, will also pay for this. they simply cannot afford to let this stain stay on their oh so clean slate.

but actually, it´s interesting that an albanian is thinking about who is gonna pay, when it is about investigating albanian crimes, isn´t it?

if that is your only sorrow...

last but not least, please do not distract from the real questions by posting some pseudo-arguments here, you only waste your and our time with that.

but actually, it´s interesting that an albanian is thinking about who is gonna pay, when it is about investigating albanian crimes, isn´t it?

if that is your only sorrow...

last but not least, please do not distract from the real questions by posting some pseudo-arguments here, you only waste your and our time with that.
(Jovan, 22 April 2011 16:36)
Well again you are wrong on many accounts.
1. I am American without any bloodlines that lead to the balkans, so it is I who will be footing the majority of the bill.
2. The "talk is cheap" phrase is in relation to the fact that Serbia wants the creation of a new organization to investigate when others are in place and the fact that it will cost Serbia or Russia practically nothing in relation to the enormous expense. I am not opposed to an investigation just that it should be done by existing means.
3. As far as the Illyrian or the Serbian views on who was first in Kosovo or the balkans, I could care less. I do not understand the bs of it all probably due to the fact that in America we have no history back more than 3-400 years. To me history is interesting but it is history and I do not live in the past as so many of you all do.
4. As far as the shooting of children or the beating of a Serbian woman, I pretty much stand in the same place as with the beating, rapes, murder and torture of Albanians by Serb forces. The perpetrators should be punished to the full extent of the law.
5."last but not least, please do not distract from the real questions by posting some pseudo-arguments here, you only waste your and our time with that" I realize my comments are a waste of my time as they will never change your view as it is unchangeable. As far as wasting your time, it is your choice as to whether to read or not.

But I do love the one trait I have found on here by the predominantly Serbian posters, in the absence of a good argument they rely on trying to insult their opposition.

my dear "american" friend " with no bloodlines from the Balkans", ..if so, why then don´t you face the albanian crimes without distracting with alleged serbian crimes?

well, I´d say that you are wrong, for various reasons.

first, it´s not about my personal view, it is about international law, justice, moral values and historical arguments here. and in each of these mentioned points, the K-albanians have nothing to offer on behalf of "their cause".

and secondly, another indicator that you are a K-albanian: IF you were an american, you wouldn´t be whining here about being insulted by me. that´s the typical behavioural pattern of our dear k-albanian friends here, who are hiding behind changing, predominantly western, nick-names in order to create the impression ( as if somebody cares for that ) of being watched by "the world" etc.

either they feel "insulted" ( by simple facts ! ) or they are interpreting each and every word as a " threat "...

so, please stop whining here, since I haven´t insulted anyone here. the mere attempt to connect Serbs to that kind of behaviour is simply another point that makes your claim to be a non-albanian quite implausible.

...last but not least, my view is indeed, unchangeable. KiM is serbian territory, and will stay serbian. it´s only a question of time, and the USofA will let you down. and like a british ( at least he claimed to be it ) writer here said only a few days ago: Serbia has an army and an economy, and Serbia is getting stronger. the criminal regime in Pristina has neither the one nor the other.

so whatever you might bring up, it would be a waste of time, as I have already said it.

dream your dreams about greater Albania, while Serbia prepares to liberate what has always been serbian.


ps: if you were an american, you should rather care why Mr.Clinton violated your very own constitution by attacking a sovereign country without asking the congress before...

but, that´s something a K-albanian doesn´t even think of... he´s too much occupied with those helpless attempts to let the Serbs look like they were aggressors.

time will show that Serbia is all but an aggressor in this tragedy.

first, it´s not about my personal view, it is about international law, justice, moral values and historical arguments here. and in each of these mentioned points, the K-albanians have nothing to offer on behalf of "their cause".
(Jovan, 23 April 2011 00:03)

Yes, it is about international law. And the ICJ was convinced by the arguments offered by the K-Albanians that their UDI did not violate international law. You may not be convinced, but, hey, unfortunately you are no the authority on the matter.



...last but not least, my view is indeed, unchangeable. KiM is serbian territory, and will stay serbian.
(Jovan, 23 April 2011 00:03)

Sure, everybody is entitled to his/her opinion. What matters though is what the people who leave in a territory think. I may think that, say, China is Albanian territory, but I'm not sure how much that would matter (unless, of course, the majority of the people in China think the same).



Serbia has an army and an economy, and Serbia is getting stronger. the criminal regime in Pristina has neither the one nor the other.
(Jovan, 23 April 2011 00:03)

And then what ? You'll force the Albanians in Kosovo to go back under Serbia ?!



dream your dreams about greater Albania, while Serbia prepares to liberate what has always been serbian.
(Jovan, 23 April 2011 00:03)

Liberate what and by whom ?



ps: if you were an american, you should rather care why Mr.Clinton violated your very own constitution by attacking a sovereign country without asking the congress before...
(Jovan, 23 April 2011 00:03)

I'm not aware of any court having said that Mr. Clinton violated the law; but you may know better

and when the K-albanians were celebrating the ICJ-opinion as an albanian victory, although this court didn´t take up a position at all and only shirked responsibility, where were you then with your smart phrases?
(Jovan, 22 April 2011 16:36)

I think we were here to say what we had been saying even before that: the declaration of independence of Kosovo adopted on 17 February 2008 did not violate international law.

Jovan,
I forgot one thing. The ICJ was a Kosovo victory, how could you say otherwise. They were not the one to pose the question, and it was answered in their favor. Only those who think that Res 1244 is a pro Serbian document can see the ICJ ruling as being pro Serbian and there is no dealing with that.
If you have actually read either of them yourself, then you know the truth but choose to deny it. If you have never read them but depend on your leaders for interpretation, then you have my sympathy.

The fact you threw that in shows you are more interested in arguing with an "Albanian" then making an argument. I think you understand the difference.

(Jovan, 23 April 2011 00:03)
Should it make you feel better to think of me as Albanian so be it, I do not regard it as an insult. But the fact is you are wrong. My interests in Kosovo come from working there from 2006-2009. As far as a violation of the constitution. Clinton needed permission from Congress to declare war on Serbia, this he did not. Maybe a technicality but enough of one that satisfied Congress, they went on to endorse the action and to approve funding for the mission.

I do not have to be Albanian to know when they are being insulted and to comment on it, I lived through most of the racial tension of the 60's and up and could tell when blacks were insulted and knew this was wrong even though I was still a child. I lived in a segregated society but my parents taught me we are all human and people are to be judged by their individual merits not by the color of their skin. A lesson that was probably never mentioned at your household (speaking of ethniticity here and not skin color) This part confuses me even more at least in America the race issue was a noticeable difference but my time in Kosovo I was never able to distinguish between a Serbian and an Albanian by looks.

But to go back to my previous post, being unable to legitimately argue with me you think you can insult me but calling me an Albanian would be an insult to a Serbian not me, most Americans are pretty much mongrel without an ethnic identity.
The bottom line is my identity is irrelevant what is relevant is that EULEX is capable of doing the investigation and probably will be the choice of any decision coming out of the UNSC. There is a slight possibility that it will be deferred to the ICTY or even a joint venture between EULEX and UNMIK. Ban may even appoint a special envoy to work with the organization and report back to the UNSC on developments, but I am confident this envoy would be neither Marty nor Del ponte.
The difference between you and I is that you see Serbian actions against Albanians as justified and Albanian actions against Serbs as crimes. I do not buy into the Serbian persecution of Albanians in the 90's as justified which is not only the position of the US govt but also one I developed through my own interviews there.
I do feel that any attacks on innocent children or civilians without provocation should be prosecuted despite any ethnic, racial, or religious affiliation.

@a new day:

I´m afraid I do not get it, what is so difficult to understand if I write that I have not insulted anyone here. are you deliberately ignoring that?
I won´t pay further attention to accusations like that, since this makes no sense.

you may claim as long as you wish that I am not able to legitimately argue with you, but that does not change the facts. the socalled uck-terrorists killed serb and albanian civillians alike, just because they were against the "greater albanian project". if you belittle that as "albanian actions" ...well, you might not know what you are talking about.

and please, stop boring us with these accusations, neither I nor any other serbian here has written any racist comments. and even if, how you still claim to be, are an american, I couldn´t care less about your race or descent. so cut that crap about racism, that´s really stupid,boring and nothing more.
as you might have realized the only "racial" nonsense here comes from our dear k-albanian friends, when they write about Serbs being "Siberians" and who knows what else they have been taught in their illegal shadow-"schools". so playing the racial card here in order to make the Serbs look like racists has only counterproductive effects at best.


"I do feel that any attacks on innocent children or civilians without provocation should be prosecuted despite any ethnic, racial, or religious affiliation. "

well, a new day, if you are an american,why don´t you not start action against your own government then? not only in southern Serbia, but actually all over the world the US-regimes of the last decades have done that, they attacked innocent civilians with their socalled surgically precise laser- or GPS-guided weapons. in southern Serbia they bombed schools and hospitals and even water supply for civilians.

furthermore, belittling the violation of the US-constitution as a technicality, and saying that they approved funding is enough for you, to sleep well? well, ...the US-americans have to live with this kind of "democracy", others refuse it.

last but not least, I know many US-citizens who served in southern Serbia and most of them told me that they could very well distinguish between albanian and serbian villages. and these guys were not racists either. but what was much more interesting: they all said they changed their opinion about southern Serbia and that they would support Serbia today, if they could change something. the only thing I answered to them was " tell that what you´ve told me to your onw fellow-americans " and they said they would.

bottomline: you would be the first G.I. who supports the "greater albanian project" after having served some time in southern Serbia.


@icj: there are a lot more things you do not seem to be aware of, my dear. and unfortunately understanding the non-binding opinion seems to be too difficult for you, although you´d only have to scroll down and read...

(Jovan, 24 April 2011 08:06)
I have never said I support the greater Albanian project, I support a free and independent Kosovo. Nor do I support the greater Serbia project either. The only GI's or IPO's that I have known that support the Serbian view are those that have married the young Serbian girls they met while in Kosovo.
I am very happy with both the constitution and the checks and balances of the US government system. I sometimes do not agree with things the govt does, but no one does in any country except those countries which you are not allowed to have a dissenting opinion.
I do feel the action Clinton took was 100% necessary and justified and the US official stance on Kosovo has not changed with either Democratic nor Republican administration. If you check US history we have only Declared War 5 times in our history but we have had many military interventions.
As far as the insults go, I stand by my earlier posts, whether you understand or not.

well, there it is, you´re unveiling your motivation. supporting a "free and independent" Kosovo is just the same. you are supporting an illegal freak creation on serbian territory, that has been violently created by criminals and terrorists, at least if you take into account the word of your former official Mr.Holbrooke, who first called that army of chickenthieves what they really are, a bunch of terrorists. only later the official standpoint changed, when the US finally started openly supporting anti-serbian criminals.

interestingly, the only US-citizens to support that stillborn freak-creation I have heard about, ( and my american friends told me so )and who served in southern Serbia, illegally of course, are those who have relationships with K-albanian girls. given that some albanian girls are being told to seek relations to foreign officials, especially high-ranking bureaucrats, I do not even wonder about that.
so, your mentioning of that kind of connection, is really no argument. I say A and you say B, nothing more.

given that the US have stopped declaring war, what is also a sign of rogue-state behaviour, the alleged checks and balances you are mentioning do not give their aggressions a higher meaning , you call it simply interventions, but belittlement is a quite weak propaganda-weapon.


and furthermore, it is you who might not understand: Serbia has been occupied by the muslim ottomans for five centuries, longer than the US of A even exist, and the Serbs did not surrender. they kept their religion, culture and language. in the end, they liberated their territory, they prevailed.

I am convinced, the US-occupiers and their "allies" ( partners in crime would be the better term ) will leave much earlier. and Serbia will be there, no matter what poeple like you might think or say. and then, the illegal freak creation will come to an end quite naturally. as for that alleged continuity of US-commitment in south-eastern europe, well if you believe in that, I am fine with that.

you know, what actually made me smile in your comments was that undertone of alleged moral values and human rights that you were trying to display here.
whoever supports the k-albanian terrorists is clearly discredited, there is simply and definitely no room for him to argue with moral values.

instead of asking what the heck the USofA have lost in southern Serbia, you are playing the role that has been developed long ago in order to justify military aggressions at the "home front"...and it simply does not work. unfortunately you are just another person who still hasn´t realized it yet.

when the US and their socalled allies started to fight Yugoslavia in the beginning nineties, and primarily Serbia as the main obstacle, ...it was not about human rights, I guess that you certainly know that.

it was about tapping a new market. if you really thought that you could take me or others here for a fool by playing the human-rights-card, ...that attempt has failed miserably.

nevertheless your comments have beautifully displayed the techniques that are still being used to decieve and manipulate others.

and the only insult here could possibly be seen in the attempt to connect US-foreign-policy in southern-europe with the fight human rights. that is the ultimate insult to reason.

again, it is you who might not understand...

@icj: there are a lot more things you do not seem to be aware of, my dear. and unfortunately understanding the non-binding opinion seems to be too difficult for you, although you´d only have to scroll down and read...
(Jovan, 24 April 2011 08:06)

Dear Joavan, let me think about it... We have:

A. A non-binding opinion from ICJ asked by Vuk;

B. An opinion from Jovan (not sure who asked it);

Hmmmm, let me think which one is more authoritative between (A) and (B)... !

jovan,
The interesting thing here is I view your comments exactly the way you view mine. I find your attitudes toward the Albanians as morally reprehensible as apparently you find my views equally so.
The only big difference I see is you were born this way and raised that there was no other way of life, I developed my views in Kosovo after research and personal experiences and interactions while there.

to "a new day":

the ICJ-"verdict" - which is not more than an opinion at best, is certainly no victory " for Kosovo " since they avoided to take position.

it is actually just a simple question of logic, but you seem to ignore it deliberately. and then you are even accusing me of denial. quite ineffective attempt to distract, I would say.

with a lot of naivety, you could claim that the "declaration" of dependence is not violating international law, if you follow the tricky "argumentation" of that court - of course it is not violating international law.

it´s the same with for instance disneyland declaring independence, since there is no law prohibiting that,there is also no violation of a non-existing regulation. well, if that pleases you you are free to call that a victory, and you are also free to stay in that strange mental state, I couldn´t care less actually.

let´s cut it short: you seem to be ignoring most simple facts. therefore this conversation serves no purpose. let´s leave it at that, I simply do not want to waste further time with you.

whether you are a socalled troll or just alone and searching for a conversation or whatever the reasons may be that you are writing such a nonsense is not important, but I think it has become clear enough for any reader here that you do not bring up arguments, but only accusations and at the same time ignore facts or twist and bend them until they fit into your narrow sight.

so you have had your opportunity and you didn´t succeed. I wish you good luck for your further life.

okay, now I got the impression you are a simple i-net troll. not only writing stupid things about being " born that way " what actually says a lot about yourself, but also not being able to stop it.

dude, I even got some albanian friends, so please spare us with those stupid accusations about what I allegedly think of the Albanians. and I was not " born and raised that way ", I am only using arguments which you cannot confute. and the ineffective attempt to defame me as being racist, nationalist or whatever are just displaying the weakness of your " argumentation ".

to be honest, who cares for your "experiences" while you were in southern Serbia? you know nothing, I´d say. I first thought about you and asked myself whether you are a victim or a perpetrator, whether you are just a simple mind who believes the rather stupid propaganda twists produced in US-american think tanks ( among others ) or whether you are one of those evil types who are spreading conflicts and hatred in order to achieve more profit for the US.

what is almost best: that level of arrogance, in which you are writing is just amusing. you´d certainly love to add here that you and the US had to " intervene " in order to stop barbarians to kill each other, or some similar nonsense.

( unfortunately the B-92 censors have cut out the important part of my last comment - which is not so surprising actually, given that they are financed from abroad )

after all, it doesn´t matter whether you are simply naive or deliberately spreading propaganda. you have just disqualified yourself, and that is quite enough result for me.

the bottom-line is: the more you " intervene " all over the world, the more you will be hated, what is already today a problem for the average US-tourist when travelling the world . and that should make you start thinking, actually. and the other thing is that that the US and poeple like you with their chit-chat won´t prevent Serbia from liberating the occupied southern serbian territory. that is inevitable. it is just a question of time.


@icj: you really don´t get it. there is a difference between logic and your interpretation of that "opininon". but I won´t spend more time either with you, it wouldn´t make sense.

whether you are a socalled troll or just alone and searching for a conversation or whatever the reasons may be that you are writing such a nonsense is not important, but I think it has become clear enough for any reader here that you do not bring up arguments, but only accusations and at the same time ignore facts or twist and bend them until they fit into your narrow sight.

so you have had your opportunity and you didn´t succeed. I wish you good luck for your further life.
(Jovan, 24 April 2011 21:25)
socalled troll?? Thanks for proving my point, in the absence of a valid argument, you resort to insults. Good day to you to.