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Thursday, 21.04.2011.

09:23

“Croat resolution not act against RS”

Republic of Srpska (RS) President Milorad Dodik has stated that a resolution of the Croat National Assembly, adopted on Wednesday, is not an act against RS.

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Ian, UK

pre 13 godina

Ian,Lenard, Ivan and the rest ignoring the Truth,

Serbs first asked for Cantonization before the war - and war should be avoided - Swiss style - and they accepted it in Lisabon. Everybody was happy. And advised by US - Zimmermann -Muslims and Alija annuled his signiture and given word and promIse.

US wanted war and advised them to attack JNA and Serbs - to start war. You wanted it same as Albnians and messed with much stronger opponent - but cried to your advisers for help - they advised you to provoke more and more so they can make case to bravely bomb Serbs from 1o,000m etc.
then you came back from woods etc.

Please, correct me if anything written here is not fact an give us your version of same events.

Thanks,
(DD, 23 April 2011 21:43)

Have you got a reliable source to back up your claim that the US wanted a war?

DD

pre 13 godina

Ian,Lenard, Ivan and the rest ignoring the Truth,

Serbs first asked for Cantonization before the war - and war should be avoided - Swiss style - and they accepted it in Lisabon. Everybody was happy. And advised by US - Zimmermann -Muslims and Alija annuled his signiture and given word and promIse.

US wanted war and advised them to attack JNA and Serbs - to start war. You wanted it same as Albnians and messed with much stronger opponent - but cried to your advisers for help - they advised you to provoke more and more so they can make case to bravely bomb Serbs from 1o,000m etc.
then you came back from woods etc.

Please, correct me if anything written here is not fact an give us your version of same events.

Thanks,

Mia

pre 13 godina

lenard,

Imagine how God will judge the croats for Jasenovac, pocket medak, Krajina, camp Lora and other lucky you qoute the bible so beautifully i am sure it will come in handy.

i know that for some facts are hard to swallow but the Demographic unit of the ICTY in June 2008 caculated the victims of the bosnian war keep in mind these are the ICTY stastics Serbs 24,726, 25.4% and croats 7 602 7.8%.So there was ethnic cleanising in Bosnia,that is the croats ethnically cleansed serbs Again they had experience in ww2.

Maybe you could employ Ruder and Finn again they did such a good job the first time even if was just for a little while

Karanovic

pre 13 godina

"They are responsible for over 90% of the ethnic cleansing murder of Croatians from Bosnia in the pretend fictitious "Srpska" that was criminally violently established by warmongering Serbia."
(Lenard)

I would like to know where you got your information, sir. 90% of Croats that were "cleansed" from Bosnia were murdered by Serbs on the territory of present-day RS? If you can take a look at the pre-war 1991 ethnic distribution map of the Socialist Republic of BiH you can see that Croats were the dominant group in West Herzegovina, Posavina, and in pockets of contiguous or non-contiguous territory north and northwest of Sarajevo (like the municipalities surrounding Vitez, Vares, Kiseljak, and Busovaca). West Herzegovina is obviously not in RS, neither are the four "Croat" municipalities listed from Central Bosnia. The only place where you could contend that Serbs cleansed Croats from would be in the Posavina region near Brod and south of Odzak. I do not believe for one second that 90% of all Croats that lived in Bosnia who were cleansed lived on the territory of RS, and they lived in these two municipalities near the Sava.

I seem to remember a fierce war between the Croats and Muslims in Central Bosnia which led to the Washington Agreement and the beginning of the FBiH. Maybe you should ask your Muslim friends where those people went, the people you claim were cleansed by Serbs. The maps do not match your claims.

I would like to ask you, a Croat, about the Serb majority of the municipality adjacent to Trebinje, just north of Dubrovnik. Why are Croats now in charge there? Why are four present-day Serb-majority municipalities in Western Bosnia (Glamoc, Grahovo, Drvar, and Petrovac) included within FBiH, the first three being controlled mainly by Croats? Drvar, an area with a 97%! Serb majority in 1991 is dominated by nationalist Croats, although they now have a Serb mayor. Grahovo had a 95% Serb majority, and many Serbs have returned, but is still in FBiH. Glamoc, almost 80% Serb in 1991, is an unknown case as estimates vary. Some say it is Serb, some say that it is almost 70% Croat now. Either way, it was cleansed and is in FBiH. Petrovac, my "home" municipality, is also in FBiH when in 1991 it was 75% Serb. Now it is almost split betwen Muslims and Serbs with Muslims dominating the political scene and Petrovac town. I guess you are really proud of the Oluja war crime enterprise, and its Sana 95 offshoot that sent Serbs packing. Speaking of Oluja....there is that case of up to a quarter million Serbs being cleansed from existence in hallowed Croatia.

Ian, UK

pre 13 godina

Pleases read Lenard's comment below. Although written in poor English, his Serb-hate is clear.

Serbs have to deal with Croats like Lenard and not fine English Gentlemen.

Republika Srpska needs to be strong to defend itself from Lenard and other extremist Croats for the next 1500 years.
(Michael Thomas, 21 April 2011 23:29)

I have read Lenard's comment, there are bits I agree with and bits I disagree with. Personally I would never dislike an entire race/ group of people, I only dislike individuals. There isn't anyone on B92 who I dislike, I just disagree with them. Take Lenard for example, he obviously has a grudge against the Serb entity; however if the Serb entity of Bosnia was dissolved he would go on a rampage against the Bosnian-Serbs. It just wouldn't happen. Also how does the Serb entity of Bosnia protect Bosnian Serbs which a centralised BiH government can't do? I'd like you to answer that please.

Anyway I stick to my original argument, BiH is in much need of reform. I am strongly opposed to these ethnic based entities in Bosnia. I fully support devolving power on a regional level in BiH, but not on an ethnic basis. These ethnic entities just create divisions, it is unhealthy for the society of BiH. I think all people in the Balkans need to mature and get over their differences. They need to get over WW2 and the Yugoslav Wars of the 90s, they need to look to the future instead of the past. They need to through their nationalism in the bin. Just imagine BiH becoming the Switzerland of the East. It'd be great and BiH has the potential to do so.

And mate, I wouldn't describe myself as a fine English Gentleman, for I sir am a Yorkshireman!

New Zealander

pre 13 godina

Explain how FYOM or Serbia are fake states? Bosnia, one has to admit, is artificial in many ways. But FYOM has a genuine culture of its own, They dont want to live as Bulgarians (much like Bosniaks and Montenegrins dont identify as Serbs) while Serbia has existed for more then a millenium, which would make nearly every state worldwide; "Fake"

iliri

pre 13 godina

Bosnia, Serbia, Fyrom...fake countries, no wonder they will always have problems...i admit my contry probably has the most corrupt politicans in the region, yet i feel blessed, Albanian solidarity is unquestionable, if croats manage to succeed, Albanians in Sandjak and Presevo would follow the croat example...

Michael Thomas

pre 13 godina

Ian, UK

Pleases read Lenard's comment below. Although written in poor English, his Serb-hate is clear.

Serbs have to deal with Croats like Lenard and not fine English Gentlemen.

Republika Srpska needs to be strong to defend itself from Lenard and other extremist Croats for the next 1500 years.

Lenard

pre 13 godina

Let Dodo and war criminal fictitious make believe "Srpska" aka criminal war mongering aggressor Grater Serbia go down. Dont join them in any way or partake in their sins they are well on their way to a self inflicted demise. They are responsible for over 90% of the ethnic cleansing murder of Croatians from Bosnia in the pretend fictitious "Srpska" that was criminally violently established by warmongering Serbia. Hsa 4:2 There is only cursing, lying and murder, stealing and adultery; they break all bounds, and bloodshed follows bloodshed. Rev 9:21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their immorality or their thefts. God will judge the Serbs and their murderous violence and thievery from their neighbours. Pro 16:22 Understanding is a fountain of life to those who have it, but folly brings punishment to fools ,fools detest turning from evil. Pro 1:32 For the waywardness of the simple will kill them, and the complacency of fools will destroy them;

Karanovic

pre 13 godina

"They should scrap the Serb and Bosniak-Croat entities for starters. You'd have all your different ethnicities and languages under one frame work. Instead of the ethnic entities, the cantons in Bosnia should be all over the country and should have the same authority and law making powers as Swiss Cantons/ states do."

Sounds like Ian has been reading European Stability Initiative proposals circa January 2004. What did they propose, get rid of the Federation and make a true federation composed of 12 cantons which are comprised by the 12 sub-State units already in BiH (10 FBiH cantons, District of Brcko, and Republika Srpska)? In this way powers could be sent up to the State level, or down to the canton level from FBiH, saving money from all the bureaucracy considering that FBiH is pretty much useless.

Well, I have the same beef with this idea as the Serbs do in RS: this devolves RS from an autonomous region with a higher status into an equal with pitiful cantons like Gorazde and Posavina by taking away the "Entity" label. Nice try, guys, but it is not going to happen. If anything, RS will only "raise" its status into that of a de jure independent State as long as Sarajevo and its Western enabler keep harping on centralization of the State and encroaching upon RS' Dayton guarantees. RS has already had to give up competencies that it rightfully should enjoy...no more compromise. And don't think that the potential EU membership will have anything to do with RS playing ball, it hasn't worked so far, so it won't now or later.

Ian, UK

pre 13 godina

(Another Canadian Serb, 21 April 2011 14:52)

If I am a Muslim for the reasons you stated, then why did I say that Bosniaks don't need autonomy in Sandzak? Why did I say Albanians don't need autonomy in Preshevo Valley? Why did I say Albanians don't need autonomy in Western Macedonia?

Surely by your logic a Muslim would support autonomy in all these regions?

All I said was that Bosnia should adopt Switzerland's system.

You always result to pathetic attacks and your logic never makes sense. If you must know, I was baptised and confirmed in the Church of England, however I now consider myself an Atheist and I dislike all religions equally.

You keep dreaming about 'Greater Serbia' if you want to.

----------------------------

(Michael Thomas, 21 April 2011 15:08)

You're forgetting that the War ended over 15 years ago. The Serbs don't need their entity in Bosnia for survival. What do you think is going to happen do them if they lived in a Bosnia which uses Switzerland's model? You can't honestly believe that if the Serb entity was dissolved tomorrow, all the Bosniaks and Bosnian-Croats are going run in and start another war? Also the Croats don't need an entity either, you must be barking mad if you think Croatia will give territory to Serbia in exchange for for a Croatian forum-entity in Bosnia. Never going to happen!

Michael Thomas

pre 13 godina

Ian, UK

The Bosnian Moslems and Croats conspired against the Serbs from the very first day of the civil war. Indeed the war started when Moslems and Croats violated the Bosnian constitution which gave each of the three constituent peoples the right to veto constitutional decisions. When the Serbs tried to veto the declaration of Bosnian independence they were told to go to hell.

During the war the Moslems and Croats suspended their mutual hatred just long enough to exterminate the Serbs who had the misfortune to be minorities in “their” parts of Bosnia.

The Republika Srpska is the only guarantee of Serbian survival in Bosnia.

The Bosnian Croats also need their own entity, otherwise they will disappear from Bosnia altogether within a generation.

The Croats need Serbian support to get their Bosnian entity, and to achieve this they need to give something in exchange. Prevlaka?

Ian, UK

pre 13 godina

You can't really compare autonomy in Croatia and Bosnia because of the systems they use. BiH has constituent people (Bosniaks/ Muslims, Croats and Serbs) whereas in Croatia you have citizens regardless of ethnicity. If in BiH there are to be three constituent people all must be equal and have their own entity, this would still be in line with Dayton. It is unfair that the Serbs get their own entity and the Bosniaks and Croats have to share. Croatia is different, all are people are equal there is no constituent people.

The entire system in BiH is absolutely ridiculous and overly complicated due to nationalism. Bosnia has the potential to become the Switzerland of the East, Bosnia has the potential to become a great prosperous democratic and free country. They should scrap the Serb and Bosniak-Croat entities for starters. You'd have all your different ethnicities and languages under one frame work. Instead of the ethnic entities, the cantons in Bosnia should be all over the country and should have the same authority and law making powers as Swiss Cantons/ states do. Bosnia should adopt the Swiss-style Direct Democracy and neutrality. This way you'd have real democracy in Bosnia, all would be equal and represented without having to group people together because of their ethnicities.

I've always thought the issue of autonomy is ridiculous in the Balkans, there is no need for Serbs in Croatia to have autonomy, just as there is no need for Bosniaks to have autonomy in Sandzak and for Albanians to have autonomy in Presevo Valley and in Western Macedonia to have autonomy.

"I'm an ethnic minority and we live in this region of this country therefore we should have autonomy".

I feel like saying grow a pair, man up and get on with the rest of your life. Autonomy isn't going to affect you at all, your life will be exactly the same and it will be a huge waste of money. It is almost that they want autonomy to make a political statement.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 13 godina

Oh Really Ian!

Now you are proposing a mini Yugoslavia?

What if the Serbians and Croations don't want to live with the Muslims.

How can you be pro for the dismemberment of Kosovo from Serbia, but against the will of Croations and Serbians of Bosnia?

I know the reason Ian.

It is because you are a muslim!

Just imagine how big Serbia would be today Ian, especially if the US, Germany and EU countries had never been involved in the dismemberment of Yugoslavia.

C'est dommage!

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Personally, I don't have a problem with a Croat entity in BiH but there must also be a Serbian entity in Croatia. If in future the Croatian entity wants to split from BiH then the Serbian entity can split for Croatia.

Michael Thomas

pre 13 godina

A deal can be done with the Croats. If they want part of the Federation as their own region, then they must cede equal autonomy to the Serbian Krajina (the historic Serbian territory currently occupied by Croatia).

The Croats will not want to accept such a trade-off, but as life with their Moslem neighbours becomes increasingly strained, they may have little choice.

Karanovic

pre 13 godina

"They should scrap the Serb and Bosniak-Croat entities for starters. You'd have all your different ethnicities and languages under one frame work. Instead of the ethnic entities, the cantons in Bosnia should be all over the country and should have the same authority and law making powers as Swiss Cantons/ states do."

Sounds like Ian has been reading European Stability Initiative proposals circa January 2004. What did they propose, get rid of the Federation and make a true federation composed of 12 cantons which are comprised by the 12 sub-State units already in BiH (10 FBiH cantons, District of Brcko, and Republika Srpska)? In this way powers could be sent up to the State level, or down to the canton level from FBiH, saving money from all the bureaucracy considering that FBiH is pretty much useless.

Well, I have the same beef with this idea as the Serbs do in RS: this devolves RS from an autonomous region with a higher status into an equal with pitiful cantons like Gorazde and Posavina by taking away the "Entity" label. Nice try, guys, but it is not going to happen. If anything, RS will only "raise" its status into that of a de jure independent State as long as Sarajevo and its Western enabler keep harping on centralization of the State and encroaching upon RS' Dayton guarantees. RS has already had to give up competencies that it rightfully should enjoy...no more compromise. And don't think that the potential EU membership will have anything to do with RS playing ball, it hasn't worked so far, so it won't now or later.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 13 godina

Oh Really Ian!

Now you are proposing a mini Yugoslavia?

What if the Serbians and Croations don't want to live with the Muslims.

How can you be pro for the dismemberment of Kosovo from Serbia, but against the will of Croations and Serbians of Bosnia?

I know the reason Ian.

It is because you are a muslim!

Just imagine how big Serbia would be today Ian, especially if the US, Germany and EU countries had never been involved in the dismemberment of Yugoslavia.

C'est dommage!

Michael Thomas

pre 13 godina

Ian, UK

The Bosnian Moslems and Croats conspired against the Serbs from the very first day of the civil war. Indeed the war started when Moslems and Croats violated the Bosnian constitution which gave each of the three constituent peoples the right to veto constitutional decisions. When the Serbs tried to veto the declaration of Bosnian independence they were told to go to hell.

During the war the Moslems and Croats suspended their mutual hatred just long enough to exterminate the Serbs who had the misfortune to be minorities in “their” parts of Bosnia.

The Republika Srpska is the only guarantee of Serbian survival in Bosnia.

The Bosnian Croats also need their own entity, otherwise they will disappear from Bosnia altogether within a generation.

The Croats need Serbian support to get their Bosnian entity, and to achieve this they need to give something in exchange. Prevlaka?

Michael Thomas

pre 13 godina

A deal can be done with the Croats. If they want part of the Federation as their own region, then they must cede equal autonomy to the Serbian Krajina (the historic Serbian territory currently occupied by Croatia).

The Croats will not want to accept such a trade-off, but as life with their Moslem neighbours becomes increasingly strained, they may have little choice.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Personally, I don't have a problem with a Croat entity in BiH but there must also be a Serbian entity in Croatia. If in future the Croatian entity wants to split from BiH then the Serbian entity can split for Croatia.

Lenard

pre 13 godina

Let Dodo and war criminal fictitious make believe "Srpska" aka criminal war mongering aggressor Grater Serbia go down. Dont join them in any way or partake in their sins they are well on their way to a self inflicted demise. They are responsible for over 90% of the ethnic cleansing murder of Croatians from Bosnia in the pretend fictitious "Srpska" that was criminally violently established by warmongering Serbia. Hsa 4:2 There is only cursing, lying and murder, stealing and adultery; they break all bounds, and bloodshed follows bloodshed. Rev 9:21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their immorality or their thefts. God will judge the Serbs and their murderous violence and thievery from their neighbours. Pro 16:22 Understanding is a fountain of life to those who have it, but folly brings punishment to fools ,fools detest turning from evil. Pro 1:32 For the waywardness of the simple will kill them, and the complacency of fools will destroy them;

Karanovic

pre 13 godina

"They are responsible for over 90% of the ethnic cleansing murder of Croatians from Bosnia in the pretend fictitious "Srpska" that was criminally violently established by warmongering Serbia."
(Lenard)

I would like to know where you got your information, sir. 90% of Croats that were "cleansed" from Bosnia were murdered by Serbs on the territory of present-day RS? If you can take a look at the pre-war 1991 ethnic distribution map of the Socialist Republic of BiH you can see that Croats were the dominant group in West Herzegovina, Posavina, and in pockets of contiguous or non-contiguous territory north and northwest of Sarajevo (like the municipalities surrounding Vitez, Vares, Kiseljak, and Busovaca). West Herzegovina is obviously not in RS, neither are the four "Croat" municipalities listed from Central Bosnia. The only place where you could contend that Serbs cleansed Croats from would be in the Posavina region near Brod and south of Odzak. I do not believe for one second that 90% of all Croats that lived in Bosnia who were cleansed lived on the territory of RS, and they lived in these two municipalities near the Sava.

I seem to remember a fierce war between the Croats and Muslims in Central Bosnia which led to the Washington Agreement and the beginning of the FBiH. Maybe you should ask your Muslim friends where those people went, the people you claim were cleansed by Serbs. The maps do not match your claims.

I would like to ask you, a Croat, about the Serb majority of the municipality adjacent to Trebinje, just north of Dubrovnik. Why are Croats now in charge there? Why are four present-day Serb-majority municipalities in Western Bosnia (Glamoc, Grahovo, Drvar, and Petrovac) included within FBiH, the first three being controlled mainly by Croats? Drvar, an area with a 97%! Serb majority in 1991 is dominated by nationalist Croats, although they now have a Serb mayor. Grahovo had a 95% Serb majority, and many Serbs have returned, but is still in FBiH. Glamoc, almost 80% Serb in 1991, is an unknown case as estimates vary. Some say it is Serb, some say that it is almost 70% Croat now. Either way, it was cleansed and is in FBiH. Petrovac, my "home" municipality, is also in FBiH when in 1991 it was 75% Serb. Now it is almost split betwen Muslims and Serbs with Muslims dominating the political scene and Petrovac town. I guess you are really proud of the Oluja war crime enterprise, and its Sana 95 offshoot that sent Serbs packing. Speaking of Oluja....there is that case of up to a quarter million Serbs being cleansed from existence in hallowed Croatia.

Ian, UK

pre 13 godina

You can't really compare autonomy in Croatia and Bosnia because of the systems they use. BiH has constituent people (Bosniaks/ Muslims, Croats and Serbs) whereas in Croatia you have citizens regardless of ethnicity. If in BiH there are to be three constituent people all must be equal and have their own entity, this would still be in line with Dayton. It is unfair that the Serbs get their own entity and the Bosniaks and Croats have to share. Croatia is different, all are people are equal there is no constituent people.

The entire system in BiH is absolutely ridiculous and overly complicated due to nationalism. Bosnia has the potential to become the Switzerland of the East, Bosnia has the potential to become a great prosperous democratic and free country. They should scrap the Serb and Bosniak-Croat entities for starters. You'd have all your different ethnicities and languages under one frame work. Instead of the ethnic entities, the cantons in Bosnia should be all over the country and should have the same authority and law making powers as Swiss Cantons/ states do. Bosnia should adopt the Swiss-style Direct Democracy and neutrality. This way you'd have real democracy in Bosnia, all would be equal and represented without having to group people together because of their ethnicities.

I've always thought the issue of autonomy is ridiculous in the Balkans, there is no need for Serbs in Croatia to have autonomy, just as there is no need for Bosniaks to have autonomy in Sandzak and for Albanians to have autonomy in Presevo Valley and in Western Macedonia to have autonomy.

"I'm an ethnic minority and we live in this region of this country therefore we should have autonomy".

I feel like saying grow a pair, man up and get on with the rest of your life. Autonomy isn't going to affect you at all, your life will be exactly the same and it will be a huge waste of money. It is almost that they want autonomy to make a political statement.

Ian, UK

pre 13 godina

(Another Canadian Serb, 21 April 2011 14:52)

If I am a Muslim for the reasons you stated, then why did I say that Bosniaks don't need autonomy in Sandzak? Why did I say Albanians don't need autonomy in Preshevo Valley? Why did I say Albanians don't need autonomy in Western Macedonia?

Surely by your logic a Muslim would support autonomy in all these regions?

All I said was that Bosnia should adopt Switzerland's system.

You always result to pathetic attacks and your logic never makes sense. If you must know, I was baptised and confirmed in the Church of England, however I now consider myself an Atheist and I dislike all religions equally.

You keep dreaming about 'Greater Serbia' if you want to.

----------------------------

(Michael Thomas, 21 April 2011 15:08)

You're forgetting that the War ended over 15 years ago. The Serbs don't need their entity in Bosnia for survival. What do you think is going to happen do them if they lived in a Bosnia which uses Switzerland's model? You can't honestly believe that if the Serb entity was dissolved tomorrow, all the Bosniaks and Bosnian-Croats are going run in and start another war? Also the Croats don't need an entity either, you must be barking mad if you think Croatia will give territory to Serbia in exchange for for a Croatian forum-entity in Bosnia. Never going to happen!

Michael Thomas

pre 13 godina

Ian, UK

Pleases read Lenard's comment below. Although written in poor English, his Serb-hate is clear.

Serbs have to deal with Croats like Lenard and not fine English Gentlemen.

Republika Srpska needs to be strong to defend itself from Lenard and other extremist Croats for the next 1500 years.

New Zealander

pre 13 godina

Explain how FYOM or Serbia are fake states? Bosnia, one has to admit, is artificial in many ways. But FYOM has a genuine culture of its own, They dont want to live as Bulgarians (much like Bosniaks and Montenegrins dont identify as Serbs) while Serbia has existed for more then a millenium, which would make nearly every state worldwide; "Fake"

Ian, UK

pre 13 godina

Pleases read Lenard's comment below. Although written in poor English, his Serb-hate is clear.

Serbs have to deal with Croats like Lenard and not fine English Gentlemen.

Republika Srpska needs to be strong to defend itself from Lenard and other extremist Croats for the next 1500 years.
(Michael Thomas, 21 April 2011 23:29)

I have read Lenard's comment, there are bits I agree with and bits I disagree with. Personally I would never dislike an entire race/ group of people, I only dislike individuals. There isn't anyone on B92 who I dislike, I just disagree with them. Take Lenard for example, he obviously has a grudge against the Serb entity; however if the Serb entity of Bosnia was dissolved he would go on a rampage against the Bosnian-Serbs. It just wouldn't happen. Also how does the Serb entity of Bosnia protect Bosnian Serbs which a centralised BiH government can't do? I'd like you to answer that please.

Anyway I stick to my original argument, BiH is in much need of reform. I am strongly opposed to these ethnic based entities in Bosnia. I fully support devolving power on a regional level in BiH, but not on an ethnic basis. These ethnic entities just create divisions, it is unhealthy for the society of BiH. I think all people in the Balkans need to mature and get over their differences. They need to get over WW2 and the Yugoslav Wars of the 90s, they need to look to the future instead of the past. They need to through their nationalism in the bin. Just imagine BiH becoming the Switzerland of the East. It'd be great and BiH has the potential to do so.

And mate, I wouldn't describe myself as a fine English Gentleman, for I sir am a Yorkshireman!

Mia

pre 13 godina

lenard,

Imagine how God will judge the croats for Jasenovac, pocket medak, Krajina, camp Lora and other lucky you qoute the bible so beautifully i am sure it will come in handy.

i know that for some facts are hard to swallow but the Demographic unit of the ICTY in June 2008 caculated the victims of the bosnian war keep in mind these are the ICTY stastics Serbs 24,726, 25.4% and croats 7 602 7.8%.So there was ethnic cleanising in Bosnia,that is the croats ethnically cleansed serbs Again they had experience in ww2.

Maybe you could employ Ruder and Finn again they did such a good job the first time even if was just for a little while

DD

pre 13 godina

Ian,Lenard, Ivan and the rest ignoring the Truth,

Serbs first asked for Cantonization before the war - and war should be avoided - Swiss style - and they accepted it in Lisabon. Everybody was happy. And advised by US - Zimmermann -Muslims and Alija annuled his signiture and given word and promIse.

US wanted war and advised them to attack JNA and Serbs - to start war. You wanted it same as Albnians and messed with much stronger opponent - but cried to your advisers for help - they advised you to provoke more and more so they can make case to bravely bomb Serbs from 1o,000m etc.
then you came back from woods etc.

Please, correct me if anything written here is not fact an give us your version of same events.

Thanks,

iliri

pre 13 godina

Bosnia, Serbia, Fyrom...fake countries, no wonder they will always have problems...i admit my contry probably has the most corrupt politicans in the region, yet i feel blessed, Albanian solidarity is unquestionable, if croats manage to succeed, Albanians in Sandjak and Presevo would follow the croat example...

Ian, UK

pre 13 godina

Ian,Lenard, Ivan and the rest ignoring the Truth,

Serbs first asked for Cantonization before the war - and war should be avoided - Swiss style - and they accepted it in Lisabon. Everybody was happy. And advised by US - Zimmermann -Muslims and Alija annuled his signiture and given word and promIse.

US wanted war and advised them to attack JNA and Serbs - to start war. You wanted it same as Albnians and messed with much stronger opponent - but cried to your advisers for help - they advised you to provoke more and more so they can make case to bravely bomb Serbs from 1o,000m etc.
then you came back from woods etc.

Please, correct me if anything written here is not fact an give us your version of same events.

Thanks,
(DD, 23 April 2011 21:43)

Have you got a reliable source to back up your claim that the US wanted a war?

Ian, UK

pre 13 godina

(Another Canadian Serb, 21 April 2011 14:52)

If I am a Muslim for the reasons you stated, then why did I say that Bosniaks don't need autonomy in Sandzak? Why did I say Albanians don't need autonomy in Preshevo Valley? Why did I say Albanians don't need autonomy in Western Macedonia?

Surely by your logic a Muslim would support autonomy in all these regions?

All I said was that Bosnia should adopt Switzerland's system.

You always result to pathetic attacks and your logic never makes sense. If you must know, I was baptised and confirmed in the Church of England, however I now consider myself an Atheist and I dislike all religions equally.

You keep dreaming about 'Greater Serbia' if you want to.

----------------------------

(Michael Thomas, 21 April 2011 15:08)

You're forgetting that the War ended over 15 years ago. The Serbs don't need their entity in Bosnia for survival. What do you think is going to happen do them if they lived in a Bosnia which uses Switzerland's model? You can't honestly believe that if the Serb entity was dissolved tomorrow, all the Bosniaks and Bosnian-Croats are going run in and start another war? Also the Croats don't need an entity either, you must be barking mad if you think Croatia will give territory to Serbia in exchange for for a Croatian forum-entity in Bosnia. Never going to happen!

Lenard

pre 13 godina

Let Dodo and war criminal fictitious make believe "Srpska" aka criminal war mongering aggressor Grater Serbia go down. Dont join them in any way or partake in their sins they are well on their way to a self inflicted demise. They are responsible for over 90% of the ethnic cleansing murder of Croatians from Bosnia in the pretend fictitious "Srpska" that was criminally violently established by warmongering Serbia. Hsa 4:2 There is only cursing, lying and murder, stealing and adultery; they break all bounds, and bloodshed follows bloodshed. Rev 9:21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their immorality or their thefts. God will judge the Serbs and their murderous violence and thievery from their neighbours. Pro 16:22 Understanding is a fountain of life to those who have it, but folly brings punishment to fools ,fools detest turning from evil. Pro 1:32 For the waywardness of the simple will kill them, and the complacency of fools will destroy them;

Michael Thomas

pre 13 godina

A deal can be done with the Croats. If they want part of the Federation as their own region, then they must cede equal autonomy to the Serbian Krajina (the historic Serbian territory currently occupied by Croatia).

The Croats will not want to accept such a trade-off, but as life with their Moslem neighbours becomes increasingly strained, they may have little choice.

Ian, UK

pre 13 godina

You can't really compare autonomy in Croatia and Bosnia because of the systems they use. BiH has constituent people (Bosniaks/ Muslims, Croats and Serbs) whereas in Croatia you have citizens regardless of ethnicity. If in BiH there are to be three constituent people all must be equal and have their own entity, this would still be in line with Dayton. It is unfair that the Serbs get their own entity and the Bosniaks and Croats have to share. Croatia is different, all are people are equal there is no constituent people.

The entire system in BiH is absolutely ridiculous and overly complicated due to nationalism. Bosnia has the potential to become the Switzerland of the East, Bosnia has the potential to become a great prosperous democratic and free country. They should scrap the Serb and Bosniak-Croat entities for starters. You'd have all your different ethnicities and languages under one frame work. Instead of the ethnic entities, the cantons in Bosnia should be all over the country and should have the same authority and law making powers as Swiss Cantons/ states do. Bosnia should adopt the Swiss-style Direct Democracy and neutrality. This way you'd have real democracy in Bosnia, all would be equal and represented without having to group people together because of their ethnicities.

I've always thought the issue of autonomy is ridiculous in the Balkans, there is no need for Serbs in Croatia to have autonomy, just as there is no need for Bosniaks to have autonomy in Sandzak and for Albanians to have autonomy in Presevo Valley and in Western Macedonia to have autonomy.

"I'm an ethnic minority and we live in this region of this country therefore we should have autonomy".

I feel like saying grow a pair, man up and get on with the rest of your life. Autonomy isn't going to affect you at all, your life will be exactly the same and it will be a huge waste of money. It is almost that they want autonomy to make a political statement.

Michael Thomas

pre 13 godina

Ian, UK

The Bosnian Moslems and Croats conspired against the Serbs from the very first day of the civil war. Indeed the war started when Moslems and Croats violated the Bosnian constitution which gave each of the three constituent peoples the right to veto constitutional decisions. When the Serbs tried to veto the declaration of Bosnian independence they were told to go to hell.

During the war the Moslems and Croats suspended their mutual hatred just long enough to exterminate the Serbs who had the misfortune to be minorities in “their” parts of Bosnia.

The Republika Srpska is the only guarantee of Serbian survival in Bosnia.

The Bosnian Croats also need their own entity, otherwise they will disappear from Bosnia altogether within a generation.

The Croats need Serbian support to get their Bosnian entity, and to achieve this they need to give something in exchange. Prevlaka?

Another Canadian Serb

pre 13 godina

Oh Really Ian!

Now you are proposing a mini Yugoslavia?

What if the Serbians and Croations don't want to live with the Muslims.

How can you be pro for the dismemberment of Kosovo from Serbia, but against the will of Croations and Serbians of Bosnia?

I know the reason Ian.

It is because you are a muslim!

Just imagine how big Serbia would be today Ian, especially if the US, Germany and EU countries had never been involved in the dismemberment of Yugoslavia.

C'est dommage!

Karanovic

pre 13 godina

"They should scrap the Serb and Bosniak-Croat entities for starters. You'd have all your different ethnicities and languages under one frame work. Instead of the ethnic entities, the cantons in Bosnia should be all over the country and should have the same authority and law making powers as Swiss Cantons/ states do."

Sounds like Ian has been reading European Stability Initiative proposals circa January 2004. What did they propose, get rid of the Federation and make a true federation composed of 12 cantons which are comprised by the 12 sub-State units already in BiH (10 FBiH cantons, District of Brcko, and Republika Srpska)? In this way powers could be sent up to the State level, or down to the canton level from FBiH, saving money from all the bureaucracy considering that FBiH is pretty much useless.

Well, I have the same beef with this idea as the Serbs do in RS: this devolves RS from an autonomous region with a higher status into an equal with pitiful cantons like Gorazde and Posavina by taking away the "Entity" label. Nice try, guys, but it is not going to happen. If anything, RS will only "raise" its status into that of a de jure independent State as long as Sarajevo and its Western enabler keep harping on centralization of the State and encroaching upon RS' Dayton guarantees. RS has already had to give up competencies that it rightfully should enjoy...no more compromise. And don't think that the potential EU membership will have anything to do with RS playing ball, it hasn't worked so far, so it won't now or later.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Personally, I don't have a problem with a Croat entity in BiH but there must also be a Serbian entity in Croatia. If in future the Croatian entity wants to split from BiH then the Serbian entity can split for Croatia.

Michael Thomas

pre 13 godina

Ian, UK

Pleases read Lenard's comment below. Although written in poor English, his Serb-hate is clear.

Serbs have to deal with Croats like Lenard and not fine English Gentlemen.

Republika Srpska needs to be strong to defend itself from Lenard and other extremist Croats for the next 1500 years.

Karanovic

pre 13 godina

"They are responsible for over 90% of the ethnic cleansing murder of Croatians from Bosnia in the pretend fictitious "Srpska" that was criminally violently established by warmongering Serbia."
(Lenard)

I would like to know where you got your information, sir. 90% of Croats that were "cleansed" from Bosnia were murdered by Serbs on the territory of present-day RS? If you can take a look at the pre-war 1991 ethnic distribution map of the Socialist Republic of BiH you can see that Croats were the dominant group in West Herzegovina, Posavina, and in pockets of contiguous or non-contiguous territory north and northwest of Sarajevo (like the municipalities surrounding Vitez, Vares, Kiseljak, and Busovaca). West Herzegovina is obviously not in RS, neither are the four "Croat" municipalities listed from Central Bosnia. The only place where you could contend that Serbs cleansed Croats from would be in the Posavina region near Brod and south of Odzak. I do not believe for one second that 90% of all Croats that lived in Bosnia who were cleansed lived on the territory of RS, and they lived in these two municipalities near the Sava.

I seem to remember a fierce war between the Croats and Muslims in Central Bosnia which led to the Washington Agreement and the beginning of the FBiH. Maybe you should ask your Muslim friends where those people went, the people you claim were cleansed by Serbs. The maps do not match your claims.

I would like to ask you, a Croat, about the Serb majority of the municipality adjacent to Trebinje, just north of Dubrovnik. Why are Croats now in charge there? Why are four present-day Serb-majority municipalities in Western Bosnia (Glamoc, Grahovo, Drvar, and Petrovac) included within FBiH, the first three being controlled mainly by Croats? Drvar, an area with a 97%! Serb majority in 1991 is dominated by nationalist Croats, although they now have a Serb mayor. Grahovo had a 95% Serb majority, and many Serbs have returned, but is still in FBiH. Glamoc, almost 80% Serb in 1991, is an unknown case as estimates vary. Some say it is Serb, some say that it is almost 70% Croat now. Either way, it was cleansed and is in FBiH. Petrovac, my "home" municipality, is also in FBiH when in 1991 it was 75% Serb. Now it is almost split betwen Muslims and Serbs with Muslims dominating the political scene and Petrovac town. I guess you are really proud of the Oluja war crime enterprise, and its Sana 95 offshoot that sent Serbs packing. Speaking of Oluja....there is that case of up to a quarter million Serbs being cleansed from existence in hallowed Croatia.

iliri

pre 13 godina

Bosnia, Serbia, Fyrom...fake countries, no wonder they will always have problems...i admit my contry probably has the most corrupt politicans in the region, yet i feel blessed, Albanian solidarity is unquestionable, if croats manage to succeed, Albanians in Sandjak and Presevo would follow the croat example...

Ian, UK

pre 13 godina

Pleases read Lenard's comment below. Although written in poor English, his Serb-hate is clear.

Serbs have to deal with Croats like Lenard and not fine English Gentlemen.

Republika Srpska needs to be strong to defend itself from Lenard and other extremist Croats for the next 1500 years.
(Michael Thomas, 21 April 2011 23:29)

I have read Lenard's comment, there are bits I agree with and bits I disagree with. Personally I would never dislike an entire race/ group of people, I only dislike individuals. There isn't anyone on B92 who I dislike, I just disagree with them. Take Lenard for example, he obviously has a grudge against the Serb entity; however if the Serb entity of Bosnia was dissolved he would go on a rampage against the Bosnian-Serbs. It just wouldn't happen. Also how does the Serb entity of Bosnia protect Bosnian Serbs which a centralised BiH government can't do? I'd like you to answer that please.

Anyway I stick to my original argument, BiH is in much need of reform. I am strongly opposed to these ethnic based entities in Bosnia. I fully support devolving power on a regional level in BiH, but not on an ethnic basis. These ethnic entities just create divisions, it is unhealthy for the society of BiH. I think all people in the Balkans need to mature and get over their differences. They need to get over WW2 and the Yugoslav Wars of the 90s, they need to look to the future instead of the past. They need to through their nationalism in the bin. Just imagine BiH becoming the Switzerland of the East. It'd be great and BiH has the potential to do so.

And mate, I wouldn't describe myself as a fine English Gentleman, for I sir am a Yorkshireman!

New Zealander

pre 13 godina

Explain how FYOM or Serbia are fake states? Bosnia, one has to admit, is artificial in many ways. But FYOM has a genuine culture of its own, They dont want to live as Bulgarians (much like Bosniaks and Montenegrins dont identify as Serbs) while Serbia has existed for more then a millenium, which would make nearly every state worldwide; "Fake"

Mia

pre 13 godina

lenard,

Imagine how God will judge the croats for Jasenovac, pocket medak, Krajina, camp Lora and other lucky you qoute the bible so beautifully i am sure it will come in handy.

i know that for some facts are hard to swallow but the Demographic unit of the ICTY in June 2008 caculated the victims of the bosnian war keep in mind these are the ICTY stastics Serbs 24,726, 25.4% and croats 7 602 7.8%.So there was ethnic cleanising in Bosnia,that is the croats ethnically cleansed serbs Again they had experience in ww2.

Maybe you could employ Ruder and Finn again they did such a good job the first time even if was just for a little while

DD

pre 13 godina

Ian,Lenard, Ivan and the rest ignoring the Truth,

Serbs first asked for Cantonization before the war - and war should be avoided - Swiss style - and they accepted it in Lisabon. Everybody was happy. And advised by US - Zimmermann -Muslims and Alija annuled his signiture and given word and promIse.

US wanted war and advised them to attack JNA and Serbs - to start war. You wanted it same as Albnians and messed with much stronger opponent - but cried to your advisers for help - they advised you to provoke more and more so they can make case to bravely bomb Serbs from 1o,000m etc.
then you came back from woods etc.

Please, correct me if anything written here is not fact an give us your version of same events.

Thanks,

Ian, UK

pre 13 godina

Ian,Lenard, Ivan and the rest ignoring the Truth,

Serbs first asked for Cantonization before the war - and war should be avoided - Swiss style - and they accepted it in Lisabon. Everybody was happy. And advised by US - Zimmermann -Muslims and Alija annuled his signiture and given word and promIse.

US wanted war and advised them to attack JNA and Serbs - to start war. You wanted it same as Albnians and messed with much stronger opponent - but cried to your advisers for help - they advised you to provoke more and more so they can make case to bravely bomb Serbs from 1o,000m etc.
then you came back from woods etc.

Please, correct me if anything written here is not fact an give us your version of same events.

Thanks,
(DD, 23 April 2011 21:43)

Have you got a reliable source to back up your claim that the US wanted a war?