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Sunday, 10.04.2011.

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Daily: Priština to privatize mining complex

Priština authorities intend to privatize Trepča Mining and Metallurgical Complex, Priština-based Albanian language daily Koha Ditore reported Sunday.

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Jacob Wasserman

pre 13 godina

sj wrote:

Yes the vast majority of people have a TV and fridge in RS plus the vast majority have a car as well. This is not to say that there is no poverty in RS; there is poverty just like there is in the EU or US.

sj,

I have been to RS several times recently on business. Some homes do not even have indoor toilets and it is understandable their owners are rather embarrassed because of it. It is quite clear, just from the way you write, you have never been outside of Serbia. Unfortunately, there is a great deal of poverty in the RS.

iliri

pre 13 godina

''I’m not sure what you mean about stolen electrical energy from disputed province. If you are taking about Kosovo then it must be a Kosovo on Mars because the one in the Balkans has no electrical resources nor is it a region rich in anything. Apart from the north the rest is a waste land. ''

Then you must have failed 6th elementary geography lessons...Actually thanks to Kosovo, Albania has no more problems with electricity in summer droughts, as we rely mostly on hydro energy or how they call it.. so we exchange, one of the biggest problems of Albania is that our electrical system is isolated from the neighbouring ones, not that we can't exchange, we only can't exchange efficiently, and the Kosovan problem is that their system is totally merged with the serbian one, so large amounts of energy produced in Kosovo are consumed by Serbia...Serbia on the other hands claims that, since Kosovo is serbian territory, they owe nothing in return... It is like children playing, and the ball falls accidentaly in the fat child's garden called Tom, who is the bully of the school, so the bully, who does not miss such a chance, comes out and says the ball is his from that moment on because it fell in his garden, still the younger children do not put much of a fight but ignore fat Tom, or Tom the fatty, but improvise and play another game...but why the fat boy called Tom is such a jerk? Probably because he is fat and can not run and play like a any normal child. No offence to fat children, or those who used to be fat...

iliri

pre 13 godina

''Why did we go to war because we hate thieves and will never allow a rabble to steal our lands and will get them back if it takes another 400 years.
(sj, 12 April 2011 01:37) ''

Good luck on that ...

Dragan

pre 13 godina

Trepca and the resources in the ground belong to Serbia, for it is on sovereign Serbian soil. Any serious investor knows this, and all Serbia has to do is sue that potential investor if they plan to buy Trepca and give the money to the albanian mafia. For this reason, nobody is goint to invest.
Furthermore, Trepca was build by Serbs, just like all the roads, universities, hospitals and infrastructure in Kosovo, which was built by Serbs, only to have the albanian ingrates hate the Serbs for allowing them into their country illegaly and giving them a higher standard of living. Just look at albania and compare it to Kosovo, there is no comparison. Kosovo is light years ahead of that backwater!
So, if someone does try to buy Trepca and steal its resources from Serbs, they can expect their share price to tank, and can expect the Serbian army to waltz in and take over operations at some point.
Cheers!!

sj

pre 13 godina

(iliri, 11 April 2011 14:37)



Firstly my statement about Albanians and prisons in the EU is fact not fiction. Secondly I have been to Albania, and the rest of the Balkans last year and I know the situation perfectly. Thirdly I have seen the real financial books for that region and not the BS aired on western media and its GDP crap. The only real improvement made by Albania related to real estate and now that’s defunct. The Baltic countries are the same and since the collapse they are now stagnating.

Let me tell you a story about an Albanian that went to University in the west and when qualified he returned to Albania with the hope of making it good there. He met and married a doctor and the only way he could get a job was through family connections. He would love to leave but his wife cannot practise medicine outside Albania because her qualifications are not recognised anywhere else. He said its amazing that if she had obtained her degree in Belgrade there would be no pr


Yes the vast majority of people have a TV and fridge in RS plus the vast majority have a car as well. This is not to say that there is no poverty in RS; there is poverty just like there is in the EU or US.

You see the Hague Tribunal is only for those that made the US look like the fools they really are and nothing more. It standards of proof mean I can accuse you of war crimes and your gone – there are many examples.

I’m not sure what you mean about stolen electrical energy from disputed province. If you are taking about Kosovo then it must be a Kosovo on Mars because the one in the Balkans has no electrical resources nor is it a region rich in anything. Apart from the north the rest is a waste land.

Why did we go to war because we hate thieves and will never allow a rabble to steal our lands and will get them back if it takes another 400 years.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

to Wasserman, no she would not as NATO is already beyond its limits, not even mentioning no existing EU Forces. All the Serbs need to do is just set some exemplary IDE-s and the North would be No-Go area for the KFOR troops, I have been to KiM as a military and know their mentality. Serbs, do not let to take away the last chunk of ur country, rest of it you have already played into albanian hands.
cheers!
(from a NATO country, 10 April 2011 21:09)

ej "soldier" from NATO country , learn some real english first, before you post a comment.
By the way, Trepqa is located south of Ibar, but only the smeltering plant is north of Ibar.

iliri

pre 13 godina

''The Serbs went to war and reserved the best of the old Yugoslavia. Serbia with RS can live very well while the rest is an economic mill stone – that’s why the EU is forcing the rest to work with Belgrade. Why the EU wants Serbia to allow your rabble to look for work in Serbia because they don’t want them in the EU as their prisons are full of Albanians.
(sj, 11 April 2011 04:03) ''

So? Even if prisons around Europe were full of Albanians, it has nothing to do with Trepce privatisation...you get all the EU thing wrong, EU does not encourage balkan countries to work together because one country economically more develeped than the other...because in balkans, all countries have relatively same level of progress, according to UN and EU reports at least,not serbian coffee shop talks, Kosovo maybe is more behind, because of the war...you can not just come out of war like that a suddenly become a superpower. You seem to know nothing about how and why EU was established at first place and what is EU scope for the future...if RS is such a shining economy as you claim, Albania must be some kind of Norway by serbian and RS high standards...you are funny,if serbs live as well as you claim i wonder how many serbs can really afford to go on holidays once a year at least, especially the RS serbs...do all RS serbs have fridge and TV at home at least?
I, as Albanian, no matter how i love my nation, i don't go around the forums saying how developed Albania is and how backward Fyrom and Bosnia are compared to Albania, just based on a recent report by UN and EU, because i would lie to you and myself...because things are relative, and relatively balkan countries are a black hole in Europe, we like it or not (if we don't consider Russia Belarus and euro-asiatic countries, Balkan countries have the lowest standards of life) ...a country might have the greatest economy in the region, but if a serious percentage of people live in poverty, then that 'great national economy' measured by the industrial production means nothing, India is the most prospering economy in the world maybe after china, yet i doubt any one would envy indian standards of life...Albania during the previous two or three years had the greatest improvement in balkans, i can't remeber wether it was for standards of living, economy, industry , or at least EU stated so, but, political troubles last year screwed us once again... we are not the perfect country, our politicains are scum, but at least, we have no issues with the Hague tribunal, we have not stolen electrical energy from any 'disputed province' during the last 10 years like serbia is still doing, and we have not waged war to any neighbouring country...

CG

pre 13 godina

(Jacob Wasserman, 10 April 2011 18:01)

Thank you for showing what the intent of you Western criminals was in the first place!
The mining complex is on Serbian territory and once the state of Serbia establishes full control of (time is on our side with China and Russia rising and West going bancrupt)it it will be confiscated by the buyer!

Dave

pre 13 godina

Maybe somebody could say - is Trepca located in Northern Kosovo? In the Serb part?
I know it is difficult for Serbs to talk about "Serb" Kosovo or "Albanian" Kosovo, but I plan to be there in the summer, and would like to know for reasons of personal safety.
Thanks in advance
(Renko, 11 April 2011 00:50)

Trepca is in the Northern "Serb" part of Kosovo. Because of its endemic corruption, any privatisation there is off limits to serious international investors, but the fact that the Trepca complex lies in an area outside Pristina's control makes it untouchable. Expect at best a speculative bid by Albanian KLA/mafia money, disguised as an unheard of company from the Cayman Islands or wherever, which will be essentially a money laundering exercise with the hope of a pay-off at some later date when the province is finally subject to a constitutional settlement. Obviously, the money raised by selling Trepca under these circumstances will be derisory, so no one benefits except organised crime, yet again.

New Zealander

pre 13 godina

All of the mines in the Trepca complex are in Kosova and, therefore, belong to Kosova. Serbia can have no legitimate claim on the mines. It would be foolish of Serbia to attempt to gain control by military force, which, historically, has always been her modus operandi. This approach would surely end in disaster for Serbia since she would be destroyed both militarily and economically by the very organizations she so desperately wishes to join, namely NATO and the EU.
(Jacob Wasserman, 10 April 2011 18:01)

Please explain further. The Kosova is a tribe in Kenya, and as far as I know, have no assets within the Balkans, Serbia can have no legitimate claim to the mines? Its in their territory of course it belongs to them. Serbia would be destroyed by Nato? I think Nato in 1999 learnt the same lesson the Turks, Austrio Hungary and the Nazis had learned previously, Destroying Serbia is impossible. Finally Serbia joining Nato? Come on, surely you have some form of a brain.

Nikola

pre 13 godina

@Count of Kosovo

Well Milosevic did not really lose Serbia the wars. Any war Serbia lost was because of the strongest military alliance on the planet stopping it. The KLA had nothing to do with it, 20th Century Ustasa had nothing to do with it..only NATO.

Common wisdom would tell you that once the current Empire crumbles because its core country the USA is crumbling, the protection your weak people have will be gone. And you would have to face your superiors again.

Btw, Serbs won the war in Bosnia. Have you read the news coming out of Sarajevo recently?

sj

pre 13 godina

Serbs have a weird logic, so we let serbs get our lands, our mines and everything and then when we have nothing left to give to serbs, let them kill us ...at least, those money will end up in Albanian pockets , not serbian ones, wether few or many albanians will benefit, is not serbian cup of tea...i would rather have my brother steal from me than have a stranger manage my business...and god forbid that stranger is a serb, i would risk getting stabed at the back.
(iliri, 10 April 2011 20:57)


If your so afraid o getting stabbed in the back by a Serbs why are the EU prison full of Albanians for every crime in the criminal codes known to mankind Your Albanians are so disliked that the EU intends to send 90% back to Kosovo.

I say sell this mine then what will you have – nothing. This is typical of a kid that either lives or wants to live in the west that thinks “oh they will bring new management and we will all prosper”. In the 21 century you will get nothing but scraps. If you try and cheat the mine owners they will bring in their own food and water and the labour will be rotated on a 14 day cycle (fly in/fly out) in their own compound where they never set foot in any Albanian village or town.



How smart can Serbs be to allow Milosevic to lead them into losing four wars.
After having been humiliated just once, one would think Serbia would have learned its lesson. Just yesterday I read on B92 that a Serb official stated there are two million Serbs in bread lines. How smart is that?
(The Count of Kosova, 10 April 2011 21:16)


How stupid are your Albanians to think that once the US came into Kosovo that the streets would be paved with gold?

The Serbs went to war and reserved the best of the old Yugoslavia. Serbia with RS can live very well while the rest is an economic mill stone – that’s why the EU is forcing the rest to work with Belgrade. Why the EU wants Serbia to allow your rabble to look for work in Serbia because they don’t want them in the EU as their prisons are full of Albanians.

robby

pre 13 godina

Come on guys!

We all know, who is open his hand for bribery. Thats the only reason! It doesn´t matter to whom Trepca is belonging. Money is floating in some hungry pockets

Renko

pre 13 godina

Maybe somebody could say - is Trepca located in Northern Kosovo? In the Serb part?
I know it is difficult for Serbs to talk about "Serb" Kosovo or "Albanian" Kosovo, but I plan to be there in the summer, and would like to know for reasons of personal safety.
Thanks in advance

KOSO

pre 13 godina

Nikola,

there is no arguing with your point(s) because you are an ultra nationalist that can't fathom Kosovo's statehood. You will never understand when you hear or read, "we will never live under Serbia's rule" you will chuckle or laugh but never truly grasp the physical and cultural tyranny Albanians have endured from Serbs.

Luckily the Balkan generation born in 21st century weren't even around when Belgrade controlled Kosovo. Even in Serbia day by day people are realizing that Belgrade clowns are and have manipulated the Serbs and the Kosovar minority for their political ploys.

Sooner or later even you may find yourself in touch with the reality on the ground.

Thanks,

from a NATO country

pre 13 godina

to Wasserman, no she would not as NATO is already beyond its limits, not even mentioning no existing EU Forces. All the Serbs need to do is just set some exemplary IDE-s and the North would be No-Go area for the KFOR troops, I have been to KiM as a military and know their mentality. Serbs, do not let to take away the last chunk of ur country, rest of it you have already played into albanian hands.
cheers!

The Count of Kosova

pre 13 godina

But this would include being logical and smart, I forget sometimes who are the people we are dealing with.
(Nikola, 10 April 2011 19:47)

Nikola,

How smart can Serbs be to allow Milosevic to lead them into losing four wars.
After having been humiliated just once, one would think Serbia would have learned its lesson. Just yesterday I read on B92 that a Serb official stated there are two million Serbs in bread lines. How smart is that?

bishop

pre 13 godina

@Jacob
for the vast majority of the world kosovo is part of serbia. you can not simply steal ones land and pretend it was legal. nothing will be made of this...

iliri

pre 13 godina

'' 1. LOL! I don't see who's going to buy it? Foreign investors? Defiantly not, unless they get it for a ridicously cheap price. Maybe someone from Albania I suppose, they're used to the Albanian way of life that foreigners would never understand.

The mining complex is in "government" hands. Meaning the drug lords and organ traffickers already have it in their hands meaning everyone else in Kosovo would not have the money to buy it.

Either way, the people who will end up losing are the regular Albanians in Kosovo. Tried so hard to seperate yourself from Serbia for what? So a few Albanians can take all the spoils? Meanwhile if you accepted rule from Serbia it would be necessary for Serbia to make sure the spoils actually go to the people fearing riots.

But this would include being logical and smart, I forget sometimes who are the people we are dealing with.
(Nikola, 10 April 2011 19:47) ''

Serbs have a weird logic, so we let serbs get our lands, our mines and everything and then when we have nothing left to give to serbs, let them kill us ...at least, those money will end up in Albanian pockets , not serbian ones, wether few or many albanians will benefit, is not serbian cup of tea...i would rather have my brother steal from me than have a stranger manage my business...and god forbid that stranger is a serb, i would risk getting stabed at the back.

Nikola

pre 13 godina

LOL! I don't see who's going to buy it? Foreign investors? Defiantly not, unless they get it for a ridicously cheap price. Maybe someone from Albania I suppose, they're used to the Albanian way of life that foreigners would never understand.

The mining complex is in "government" hands. Meaning the drug lords and organ traffickers already have it in their hands meaning everyone else in Kosovo would not have the money to buy it.

Either way, the people who will end up losing are the regular Albanians in Kosovo. Tried so hard to seperate yourself from Serbia for what? So a few Albanians can take all the spoils? Meanwhile if you accepted rule from Serbia it would be necessary for Serbia to make sure the spoils actually go to the people fearing riots.

But this would include being logical and smart, I forget sometimes who are the people we are dealing with.

Jacob Wasserman

pre 13 godina

All of the mines in the Trepca complex are in Kosova and, therefore, belong to Kosova. Serbia can have no legitimate claim on the mines. It would be foolish of Serbia to attempt to gain control by military force, which, historically, has always been her modus operandi. This approach would surely end in disaster for Serbia since she would be destroyed both militarily and economically by the very organizations she so desperately wishes to join, namely NATO and the EU.

Nikola

pre 13 godina

LOL! I don't see who's going to buy it? Foreign investors? Defiantly not, unless they get it for a ridicously cheap price. Maybe someone from Albania I suppose, they're used to the Albanian way of life that foreigners would never understand.

The mining complex is in "government" hands. Meaning the drug lords and organ traffickers already have it in their hands meaning everyone else in Kosovo would not have the money to buy it.

Either way, the people who will end up losing are the regular Albanians in Kosovo. Tried so hard to seperate yourself from Serbia for what? So a few Albanians can take all the spoils? Meanwhile if you accepted rule from Serbia it would be necessary for Serbia to make sure the spoils actually go to the people fearing riots.

But this would include being logical and smart, I forget sometimes who are the people we are dealing with.

bishop

pre 13 godina

@Jacob
for the vast majority of the world kosovo is part of serbia. you can not simply steal ones land and pretend it was legal. nothing will be made of this...

from a NATO country

pre 13 godina

to Wasserman, no she would not as NATO is already beyond its limits, not even mentioning no existing EU Forces. All the Serbs need to do is just set some exemplary IDE-s and the North would be No-Go area for the KFOR troops, I have been to KiM as a military and know their mentality. Serbs, do not let to take away the last chunk of ur country, rest of it you have already played into albanian hands.
cheers!

New Zealander

pre 13 godina

All of the mines in the Trepca complex are in Kosova and, therefore, belong to Kosova. Serbia can have no legitimate claim on the mines. It would be foolish of Serbia to attempt to gain control by military force, which, historically, has always been her modus operandi. This approach would surely end in disaster for Serbia since she would be destroyed both militarily and economically by the very organizations she so desperately wishes to join, namely NATO and the EU.
(Jacob Wasserman, 10 April 2011 18:01)

Please explain further. The Kosova is a tribe in Kenya, and as far as I know, have no assets within the Balkans, Serbia can have no legitimate claim to the mines? Its in their territory of course it belongs to them. Serbia would be destroyed by Nato? I think Nato in 1999 learnt the same lesson the Turks, Austrio Hungary and the Nazis had learned previously, Destroying Serbia is impossible. Finally Serbia joining Nato? Come on, surely you have some form of a brain.

Nikola

pre 13 godina

@Count of Kosovo

Well Milosevic did not really lose Serbia the wars. Any war Serbia lost was because of the strongest military alliance on the planet stopping it. The KLA had nothing to do with it, 20th Century Ustasa had nothing to do with it..only NATO.

Common wisdom would tell you that once the current Empire crumbles because its core country the USA is crumbling, the protection your weak people have will be gone. And you would have to face your superiors again.

Btw, Serbs won the war in Bosnia. Have you read the news coming out of Sarajevo recently?

The Count of Kosova

pre 13 godina

But this would include being logical and smart, I forget sometimes who are the people we are dealing with.
(Nikola, 10 April 2011 19:47)

Nikola,

How smart can Serbs be to allow Milosevic to lead them into losing four wars.
After having been humiliated just once, one would think Serbia would have learned its lesson. Just yesterday I read on B92 that a Serb official stated there are two million Serbs in bread lines. How smart is that?

sj

pre 13 godina

Serbs have a weird logic, so we let serbs get our lands, our mines and everything and then when we have nothing left to give to serbs, let them kill us ...at least, those money will end up in Albanian pockets , not serbian ones, wether few or many albanians will benefit, is not serbian cup of tea...i would rather have my brother steal from me than have a stranger manage my business...and god forbid that stranger is a serb, i would risk getting stabed at the back.
(iliri, 10 April 2011 20:57)


If your so afraid o getting stabbed in the back by a Serbs why are the EU prison full of Albanians for every crime in the criminal codes known to mankind Your Albanians are so disliked that the EU intends to send 90% back to Kosovo.

I say sell this mine then what will you have – nothing. This is typical of a kid that either lives or wants to live in the west that thinks “oh they will bring new management and we will all prosper”. In the 21 century you will get nothing but scraps. If you try and cheat the mine owners they will bring in their own food and water and the labour will be rotated on a 14 day cycle (fly in/fly out) in their own compound where they never set foot in any Albanian village or town.



How smart can Serbs be to allow Milosevic to lead them into losing four wars.
After having been humiliated just once, one would think Serbia would have learned its lesson. Just yesterday I read on B92 that a Serb official stated there are two million Serbs in bread lines. How smart is that?
(The Count of Kosova, 10 April 2011 21:16)


How stupid are your Albanians to think that once the US came into Kosovo that the streets would be paved with gold?

The Serbs went to war and reserved the best of the old Yugoslavia. Serbia with RS can live very well while the rest is an economic mill stone – that’s why the EU is forcing the rest to work with Belgrade. Why the EU wants Serbia to allow your rabble to look for work in Serbia because they don’t want them in the EU as their prisons are full of Albanians.

CG

pre 13 godina

(Jacob Wasserman, 10 April 2011 18:01)

Thank you for showing what the intent of you Western criminals was in the first place!
The mining complex is on Serbian territory and once the state of Serbia establishes full control of (time is on our side with China and Russia rising and West going bancrupt)it it will be confiscated by the buyer!

Dave

pre 13 godina

Maybe somebody could say - is Trepca located in Northern Kosovo? In the Serb part?
I know it is difficult for Serbs to talk about "Serb" Kosovo or "Albanian" Kosovo, but I plan to be there in the summer, and would like to know for reasons of personal safety.
Thanks in advance
(Renko, 11 April 2011 00:50)

Trepca is in the Northern "Serb" part of Kosovo. Because of its endemic corruption, any privatisation there is off limits to serious international investors, but the fact that the Trepca complex lies in an area outside Pristina's control makes it untouchable. Expect at best a speculative bid by Albanian KLA/mafia money, disguised as an unheard of company from the Cayman Islands or wherever, which will be essentially a money laundering exercise with the hope of a pay-off at some later date when the province is finally subject to a constitutional settlement. Obviously, the money raised by selling Trepca under these circumstances will be derisory, so no one benefits except organised crime, yet again.

Jacob Wasserman

pre 13 godina

All of the mines in the Trepca complex are in Kosova and, therefore, belong to Kosova. Serbia can have no legitimate claim on the mines. It would be foolish of Serbia to attempt to gain control by military force, which, historically, has always been her modus operandi. This approach would surely end in disaster for Serbia since she would be destroyed both militarily and economically by the very organizations she so desperately wishes to join, namely NATO and the EU.

iliri

pre 13 godina

'' 1. LOL! I don't see who's going to buy it? Foreign investors? Defiantly not, unless they get it for a ridicously cheap price. Maybe someone from Albania I suppose, they're used to the Albanian way of life that foreigners would never understand.

The mining complex is in "government" hands. Meaning the drug lords and organ traffickers already have it in their hands meaning everyone else in Kosovo would not have the money to buy it.

Either way, the people who will end up losing are the regular Albanians in Kosovo. Tried so hard to seperate yourself from Serbia for what? So a few Albanians can take all the spoils? Meanwhile if you accepted rule from Serbia it would be necessary for Serbia to make sure the spoils actually go to the people fearing riots.

But this would include being logical and smart, I forget sometimes who are the people we are dealing with.
(Nikola, 10 April 2011 19:47) ''

Serbs have a weird logic, so we let serbs get our lands, our mines and everything and then when we have nothing left to give to serbs, let them kill us ...at least, those money will end up in Albanian pockets , not serbian ones, wether few or many albanians will benefit, is not serbian cup of tea...i would rather have my brother steal from me than have a stranger manage my business...and god forbid that stranger is a serb, i would risk getting stabed at the back.

KOSO

pre 13 godina

Nikola,

there is no arguing with your point(s) because you are an ultra nationalist that can't fathom Kosovo's statehood. You will never understand when you hear or read, "we will never live under Serbia's rule" you will chuckle or laugh but never truly grasp the physical and cultural tyranny Albanians have endured from Serbs.

Luckily the Balkan generation born in 21st century weren't even around when Belgrade controlled Kosovo. Even in Serbia day by day people are realizing that Belgrade clowns are and have manipulated the Serbs and the Kosovar minority for their political ploys.

Sooner or later even you may find yourself in touch with the reality on the ground.

Thanks,

iliri

pre 13 godina

''The Serbs went to war and reserved the best of the old Yugoslavia. Serbia with RS can live very well while the rest is an economic mill stone – that’s why the EU is forcing the rest to work with Belgrade. Why the EU wants Serbia to allow your rabble to look for work in Serbia because they don’t want them in the EU as their prisons are full of Albanians.
(sj, 11 April 2011 04:03) ''

So? Even if prisons around Europe were full of Albanians, it has nothing to do with Trepce privatisation...you get all the EU thing wrong, EU does not encourage balkan countries to work together because one country economically more develeped than the other...because in balkans, all countries have relatively same level of progress, according to UN and EU reports at least,not serbian coffee shop talks, Kosovo maybe is more behind, because of the war...you can not just come out of war like that a suddenly become a superpower. You seem to know nothing about how and why EU was established at first place and what is EU scope for the future...if RS is such a shining economy as you claim, Albania must be some kind of Norway by serbian and RS high standards...you are funny,if serbs live as well as you claim i wonder how many serbs can really afford to go on holidays once a year at least, especially the RS serbs...do all RS serbs have fridge and TV at home at least?
I, as Albanian, no matter how i love my nation, i don't go around the forums saying how developed Albania is and how backward Fyrom and Bosnia are compared to Albania, just based on a recent report by UN and EU, because i would lie to you and myself...because things are relative, and relatively balkan countries are a black hole in Europe, we like it or not (if we don't consider Russia Belarus and euro-asiatic countries, Balkan countries have the lowest standards of life) ...a country might have the greatest economy in the region, but if a serious percentage of people live in poverty, then that 'great national economy' measured by the industrial production means nothing, India is the most prospering economy in the world maybe after china, yet i doubt any one would envy indian standards of life...Albania during the previous two or three years had the greatest improvement in balkans, i can't remeber wether it was for standards of living, economy, industry , or at least EU stated so, but, political troubles last year screwed us once again... we are not the perfect country, our politicains are scum, but at least, we have no issues with the Hague tribunal, we have not stolen electrical energy from any 'disputed province' during the last 10 years like serbia is still doing, and we have not waged war to any neighbouring country...

sj

pre 13 godina

(iliri, 11 April 2011 14:37)



Firstly my statement about Albanians and prisons in the EU is fact not fiction. Secondly I have been to Albania, and the rest of the Balkans last year and I know the situation perfectly. Thirdly I have seen the real financial books for that region and not the BS aired on western media and its GDP crap. The only real improvement made by Albania related to real estate and now that’s defunct. The Baltic countries are the same and since the collapse they are now stagnating.

Let me tell you a story about an Albanian that went to University in the west and when qualified he returned to Albania with the hope of making it good there. He met and married a doctor and the only way he could get a job was through family connections. He would love to leave but his wife cannot practise medicine outside Albania because her qualifications are not recognised anywhere else. He said its amazing that if she had obtained her degree in Belgrade there would be no pr


Yes the vast majority of people have a TV and fridge in RS plus the vast majority have a car as well. This is not to say that there is no poverty in RS; there is poverty just like there is in the EU or US.

You see the Hague Tribunal is only for those that made the US look like the fools they really are and nothing more. It standards of proof mean I can accuse you of war crimes and your gone – there are many examples.

I’m not sure what you mean about stolen electrical energy from disputed province. If you are taking about Kosovo then it must be a Kosovo on Mars because the one in the Balkans has no electrical resources nor is it a region rich in anything. Apart from the north the rest is a waste land.

Why did we go to war because we hate thieves and will never allow a rabble to steal our lands and will get them back if it takes another 400 years.

Dragan

pre 13 godina

Trepca and the resources in the ground belong to Serbia, for it is on sovereign Serbian soil. Any serious investor knows this, and all Serbia has to do is sue that potential investor if they plan to buy Trepca and give the money to the albanian mafia. For this reason, nobody is goint to invest.
Furthermore, Trepca was build by Serbs, just like all the roads, universities, hospitals and infrastructure in Kosovo, which was built by Serbs, only to have the albanian ingrates hate the Serbs for allowing them into their country illegaly and giving them a higher standard of living. Just look at albania and compare it to Kosovo, there is no comparison. Kosovo is light years ahead of that backwater!
So, if someone does try to buy Trepca and steal its resources from Serbs, they can expect their share price to tank, and can expect the Serbian army to waltz in and take over operations at some point.
Cheers!!

robby

pre 13 godina

Come on guys!

We all know, who is open his hand for bribery. Thats the only reason! It doesn´t matter to whom Trepca is belonging. Money is floating in some hungry pockets

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

to Wasserman, no she would not as NATO is already beyond its limits, not even mentioning no existing EU Forces. All the Serbs need to do is just set some exemplary IDE-s and the North would be No-Go area for the KFOR troops, I have been to KiM as a military and know their mentality. Serbs, do not let to take away the last chunk of ur country, rest of it you have already played into albanian hands.
cheers!
(from a NATO country, 10 April 2011 21:09)

ej "soldier" from NATO country , learn some real english first, before you post a comment.
By the way, Trepqa is located south of Ibar, but only the smeltering plant is north of Ibar.

iliri

pre 13 godina

''Why did we go to war because we hate thieves and will never allow a rabble to steal our lands and will get them back if it takes another 400 years.
(sj, 12 April 2011 01:37) ''

Good luck on that ...

Renko

pre 13 godina

Maybe somebody could say - is Trepca located in Northern Kosovo? In the Serb part?
I know it is difficult for Serbs to talk about "Serb" Kosovo or "Albanian" Kosovo, but I plan to be there in the summer, and would like to know for reasons of personal safety.
Thanks in advance

Jacob Wasserman

pre 13 godina

sj wrote:

Yes the vast majority of people have a TV and fridge in RS plus the vast majority have a car as well. This is not to say that there is no poverty in RS; there is poverty just like there is in the EU or US.

sj,

I have been to RS several times recently on business. Some homes do not even have indoor toilets and it is understandable their owners are rather embarrassed because of it. It is quite clear, just from the way you write, you have never been outside of Serbia. Unfortunately, there is a great deal of poverty in the RS.

iliri

pre 13 godina

''I’m not sure what you mean about stolen electrical energy from disputed province. If you are taking about Kosovo then it must be a Kosovo on Mars because the one in the Balkans has no electrical resources nor is it a region rich in anything. Apart from the north the rest is a waste land. ''

Then you must have failed 6th elementary geography lessons...Actually thanks to Kosovo, Albania has no more problems with electricity in summer droughts, as we rely mostly on hydro energy or how they call it.. so we exchange, one of the biggest problems of Albania is that our electrical system is isolated from the neighbouring ones, not that we can't exchange, we only can't exchange efficiently, and the Kosovan problem is that their system is totally merged with the serbian one, so large amounts of energy produced in Kosovo are consumed by Serbia...Serbia on the other hands claims that, since Kosovo is serbian territory, they owe nothing in return... It is like children playing, and the ball falls accidentaly in the fat child's garden called Tom, who is the bully of the school, so the bully, who does not miss such a chance, comes out and says the ball is his from that moment on because it fell in his garden, still the younger children do not put much of a fight but ignore fat Tom, or Tom the fatty, but improvise and play another game...but why the fat boy called Tom is such a jerk? Probably because he is fat and can not run and play like a any normal child. No offence to fat children, or those who used to be fat...

Jacob Wasserman

pre 13 godina

All of the mines in the Trepca complex are in Kosova and, therefore, belong to Kosova. Serbia can have no legitimate claim on the mines. It would be foolish of Serbia to attempt to gain control by military force, which, historically, has always been her modus operandi. This approach would surely end in disaster for Serbia since she would be destroyed both militarily and economically by the very organizations she so desperately wishes to join, namely NATO and the EU.

The Count of Kosova

pre 13 godina

But this would include being logical and smart, I forget sometimes who are the people we are dealing with.
(Nikola, 10 April 2011 19:47)

Nikola,

How smart can Serbs be to allow Milosevic to lead them into losing four wars.
After having been humiliated just once, one would think Serbia would have learned its lesson. Just yesterday I read on B92 that a Serb official stated there are two million Serbs in bread lines. How smart is that?

iliri

pre 13 godina

'' 1. LOL! I don't see who's going to buy it? Foreign investors? Defiantly not, unless they get it for a ridicously cheap price. Maybe someone from Albania I suppose, they're used to the Albanian way of life that foreigners would never understand.

The mining complex is in "government" hands. Meaning the drug lords and organ traffickers already have it in their hands meaning everyone else in Kosovo would not have the money to buy it.

Either way, the people who will end up losing are the regular Albanians in Kosovo. Tried so hard to seperate yourself from Serbia for what? So a few Albanians can take all the spoils? Meanwhile if you accepted rule from Serbia it would be necessary for Serbia to make sure the spoils actually go to the people fearing riots.

But this would include being logical and smart, I forget sometimes who are the people we are dealing with.
(Nikola, 10 April 2011 19:47) ''

Serbs have a weird logic, so we let serbs get our lands, our mines and everything and then when we have nothing left to give to serbs, let them kill us ...at least, those money will end up in Albanian pockets , not serbian ones, wether few or many albanians will benefit, is not serbian cup of tea...i would rather have my brother steal from me than have a stranger manage my business...and god forbid that stranger is a serb, i would risk getting stabed at the back.

KOSO

pre 13 godina

Nikola,

there is no arguing with your point(s) because you are an ultra nationalist that can't fathom Kosovo's statehood. You will never understand when you hear or read, "we will never live under Serbia's rule" you will chuckle or laugh but never truly grasp the physical and cultural tyranny Albanians have endured from Serbs.

Luckily the Balkan generation born in 21st century weren't even around when Belgrade controlled Kosovo. Even in Serbia day by day people are realizing that Belgrade clowns are and have manipulated the Serbs and the Kosovar minority for their political ploys.

Sooner or later even you may find yourself in touch with the reality on the ground.

Thanks,

iliri

pre 13 godina

''The Serbs went to war and reserved the best of the old Yugoslavia. Serbia with RS can live very well while the rest is an economic mill stone – that’s why the EU is forcing the rest to work with Belgrade. Why the EU wants Serbia to allow your rabble to look for work in Serbia because they don’t want them in the EU as their prisons are full of Albanians.
(sj, 11 April 2011 04:03) ''

So? Even if prisons around Europe were full of Albanians, it has nothing to do with Trepce privatisation...you get all the EU thing wrong, EU does not encourage balkan countries to work together because one country economically more develeped than the other...because in balkans, all countries have relatively same level of progress, according to UN and EU reports at least,not serbian coffee shop talks, Kosovo maybe is more behind, because of the war...you can not just come out of war like that a suddenly become a superpower. You seem to know nothing about how and why EU was established at first place and what is EU scope for the future...if RS is such a shining economy as you claim, Albania must be some kind of Norway by serbian and RS high standards...you are funny,if serbs live as well as you claim i wonder how many serbs can really afford to go on holidays once a year at least, especially the RS serbs...do all RS serbs have fridge and TV at home at least?
I, as Albanian, no matter how i love my nation, i don't go around the forums saying how developed Albania is and how backward Fyrom and Bosnia are compared to Albania, just based on a recent report by UN and EU, because i would lie to you and myself...because things are relative, and relatively balkan countries are a black hole in Europe, we like it or not (if we don't consider Russia Belarus and euro-asiatic countries, Balkan countries have the lowest standards of life) ...a country might have the greatest economy in the region, but if a serious percentage of people live in poverty, then that 'great national economy' measured by the industrial production means nothing, India is the most prospering economy in the world maybe after china, yet i doubt any one would envy indian standards of life...Albania during the previous two or three years had the greatest improvement in balkans, i can't remeber wether it was for standards of living, economy, industry , or at least EU stated so, but, political troubles last year screwed us once again... we are not the perfect country, our politicains are scum, but at least, we have no issues with the Hague tribunal, we have not stolen electrical energy from any 'disputed province' during the last 10 years like serbia is still doing, and we have not waged war to any neighbouring country...

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

to Wasserman, no she would not as NATO is already beyond its limits, not even mentioning no existing EU Forces. All the Serbs need to do is just set some exemplary IDE-s and the North would be No-Go area for the KFOR troops, I have been to KiM as a military and know their mentality. Serbs, do not let to take away the last chunk of ur country, rest of it you have already played into albanian hands.
cheers!
(from a NATO country, 10 April 2011 21:09)

ej "soldier" from NATO country , learn some real english first, before you post a comment.
By the way, Trepqa is located south of Ibar, but only the smeltering plant is north of Ibar.

Nikola

pre 13 godina

LOL! I don't see who's going to buy it? Foreign investors? Defiantly not, unless they get it for a ridicously cheap price. Maybe someone from Albania I suppose, they're used to the Albanian way of life that foreigners would never understand.

The mining complex is in "government" hands. Meaning the drug lords and organ traffickers already have it in their hands meaning everyone else in Kosovo would not have the money to buy it.

Either way, the people who will end up losing are the regular Albanians in Kosovo. Tried so hard to seperate yourself from Serbia for what? So a few Albanians can take all the spoils? Meanwhile if you accepted rule from Serbia it would be necessary for Serbia to make sure the spoils actually go to the people fearing riots.

But this would include being logical and smart, I forget sometimes who are the people we are dealing with.

New Zealander

pre 13 godina

All of the mines in the Trepca complex are in Kosova and, therefore, belong to Kosova. Serbia can have no legitimate claim on the mines. It would be foolish of Serbia to attempt to gain control by military force, which, historically, has always been her modus operandi. This approach would surely end in disaster for Serbia since she would be destroyed both militarily and economically by the very organizations she so desperately wishes to join, namely NATO and the EU.
(Jacob Wasserman, 10 April 2011 18:01)

Please explain further. The Kosova is a tribe in Kenya, and as far as I know, have no assets within the Balkans, Serbia can have no legitimate claim to the mines? Its in their territory of course it belongs to them. Serbia would be destroyed by Nato? I think Nato in 1999 learnt the same lesson the Turks, Austrio Hungary and the Nazis had learned previously, Destroying Serbia is impossible. Finally Serbia joining Nato? Come on, surely you have some form of a brain.

sj

pre 13 godina

Serbs have a weird logic, so we let serbs get our lands, our mines and everything and then when we have nothing left to give to serbs, let them kill us ...at least, those money will end up in Albanian pockets , not serbian ones, wether few or many albanians will benefit, is not serbian cup of tea...i would rather have my brother steal from me than have a stranger manage my business...and god forbid that stranger is a serb, i would risk getting stabed at the back.
(iliri, 10 April 2011 20:57)


If your so afraid o getting stabbed in the back by a Serbs why are the EU prison full of Albanians for every crime in the criminal codes known to mankind Your Albanians are so disliked that the EU intends to send 90% back to Kosovo.

I say sell this mine then what will you have – nothing. This is typical of a kid that either lives or wants to live in the west that thinks “oh they will bring new management and we will all prosper”. In the 21 century you will get nothing but scraps. If you try and cheat the mine owners they will bring in their own food and water and the labour will be rotated on a 14 day cycle (fly in/fly out) in their own compound where they never set foot in any Albanian village or town.



How smart can Serbs be to allow Milosevic to lead them into losing four wars.
After having been humiliated just once, one would think Serbia would have learned its lesson. Just yesterday I read on B92 that a Serb official stated there are two million Serbs in bread lines. How smart is that?
(The Count of Kosova, 10 April 2011 21:16)


How stupid are your Albanians to think that once the US came into Kosovo that the streets would be paved with gold?

The Serbs went to war and reserved the best of the old Yugoslavia. Serbia with RS can live very well while the rest is an economic mill stone – that’s why the EU is forcing the rest to work with Belgrade. Why the EU wants Serbia to allow your rabble to look for work in Serbia because they don’t want them in the EU as their prisons are full of Albanians.

Nikola

pre 13 godina

@Count of Kosovo

Well Milosevic did not really lose Serbia the wars. Any war Serbia lost was because of the strongest military alliance on the planet stopping it. The KLA had nothing to do with it, 20th Century Ustasa had nothing to do with it..only NATO.

Common wisdom would tell you that once the current Empire crumbles because its core country the USA is crumbling, the protection your weak people have will be gone. And you would have to face your superiors again.

Btw, Serbs won the war in Bosnia. Have you read the news coming out of Sarajevo recently?

bishop

pre 13 godina

@Jacob
for the vast majority of the world kosovo is part of serbia. you can not simply steal ones land and pretend it was legal. nothing will be made of this...

from a NATO country

pre 13 godina

to Wasserman, no she would not as NATO is already beyond its limits, not even mentioning no existing EU Forces. All the Serbs need to do is just set some exemplary IDE-s and the North would be No-Go area for the KFOR troops, I have been to KiM as a military and know their mentality. Serbs, do not let to take away the last chunk of ur country, rest of it you have already played into albanian hands.
cheers!

CG

pre 13 godina

(Jacob Wasserman, 10 April 2011 18:01)

Thank you for showing what the intent of you Western criminals was in the first place!
The mining complex is on Serbian territory and once the state of Serbia establishes full control of (time is on our side with China and Russia rising and West going bancrupt)it it will be confiscated by the buyer!

Renko

pre 13 godina

Maybe somebody could say - is Trepca located in Northern Kosovo? In the Serb part?
I know it is difficult for Serbs to talk about "Serb" Kosovo or "Albanian" Kosovo, but I plan to be there in the summer, and would like to know for reasons of personal safety.
Thanks in advance

iliri

pre 13 godina

''Why did we go to war because we hate thieves and will never allow a rabble to steal our lands and will get them back if it takes another 400 years.
(sj, 12 April 2011 01:37) ''

Good luck on that ...

robby

pre 13 godina

Come on guys!

We all know, who is open his hand for bribery. Thats the only reason! It doesn´t matter to whom Trepca is belonging. Money is floating in some hungry pockets

Dave

pre 13 godina

Maybe somebody could say - is Trepca located in Northern Kosovo? In the Serb part?
I know it is difficult for Serbs to talk about "Serb" Kosovo or "Albanian" Kosovo, but I plan to be there in the summer, and would like to know for reasons of personal safety.
Thanks in advance
(Renko, 11 April 2011 00:50)

Trepca is in the Northern "Serb" part of Kosovo. Because of its endemic corruption, any privatisation there is off limits to serious international investors, but the fact that the Trepca complex lies in an area outside Pristina's control makes it untouchable. Expect at best a speculative bid by Albanian KLA/mafia money, disguised as an unheard of company from the Cayman Islands or wherever, which will be essentially a money laundering exercise with the hope of a pay-off at some later date when the province is finally subject to a constitutional settlement. Obviously, the money raised by selling Trepca under these circumstances will be derisory, so no one benefits except organised crime, yet again.

iliri

pre 13 godina

''I’m not sure what you mean about stolen electrical energy from disputed province. If you are taking about Kosovo then it must be a Kosovo on Mars because the one in the Balkans has no electrical resources nor is it a region rich in anything. Apart from the north the rest is a waste land. ''

Then you must have failed 6th elementary geography lessons...Actually thanks to Kosovo, Albania has no more problems with electricity in summer droughts, as we rely mostly on hydro energy or how they call it.. so we exchange, one of the biggest problems of Albania is that our electrical system is isolated from the neighbouring ones, not that we can't exchange, we only can't exchange efficiently, and the Kosovan problem is that their system is totally merged with the serbian one, so large amounts of energy produced in Kosovo are consumed by Serbia...Serbia on the other hands claims that, since Kosovo is serbian territory, they owe nothing in return... It is like children playing, and the ball falls accidentaly in the fat child's garden called Tom, who is the bully of the school, so the bully, who does not miss such a chance, comes out and says the ball is his from that moment on because it fell in his garden, still the younger children do not put much of a fight but ignore fat Tom, or Tom the fatty, but improvise and play another game...but why the fat boy called Tom is such a jerk? Probably because he is fat and can not run and play like a any normal child. No offence to fat children, or those who used to be fat...

Jacob Wasserman

pre 13 godina

sj wrote:

Yes the vast majority of people have a TV and fridge in RS plus the vast majority have a car as well. This is not to say that there is no poverty in RS; there is poverty just like there is in the EU or US.

sj,

I have been to RS several times recently on business. Some homes do not even have indoor toilets and it is understandable their owners are rather embarrassed because of it. It is quite clear, just from the way you write, you have never been outside of Serbia. Unfortunately, there is a great deal of poverty in the RS.

sj

pre 13 godina

(iliri, 11 April 2011 14:37)



Firstly my statement about Albanians and prisons in the EU is fact not fiction. Secondly I have been to Albania, and the rest of the Balkans last year and I know the situation perfectly. Thirdly I have seen the real financial books for that region and not the BS aired on western media and its GDP crap. The only real improvement made by Albania related to real estate and now that’s defunct. The Baltic countries are the same and since the collapse they are now stagnating.

Let me tell you a story about an Albanian that went to University in the west and when qualified he returned to Albania with the hope of making it good there. He met and married a doctor and the only way he could get a job was through family connections. He would love to leave but his wife cannot practise medicine outside Albania because her qualifications are not recognised anywhere else. He said its amazing that if she had obtained her degree in Belgrade there would be no pr


Yes the vast majority of people have a TV and fridge in RS plus the vast majority have a car as well. This is not to say that there is no poverty in RS; there is poverty just like there is in the EU or US.

You see the Hague Tribunal is only for those that made the US look like the fools they really are and nothing more. It standards of proof mean I can accuse you of war crimes and your gone – there are many examples.

I’m not sure what you mean about stolen electrical energy from disputed province. If you are taking about Kosovo then it must be a Kosovo on Mars because the one in the Balkans has no electrical resources nor is it a region rich in anything. Apart from the north the rest is a waste land.

Why did we go to war because we hate thieves and will never allow a rabble to steal our lands and will get them back if it takes another 400 years.

Dragan

pre 13 godina

Trepca and the resources in the ground belong to Serbia, for it is on sovereign Serbian soil. Any serious investor knows this, and all Serbia has to do is sue that potential investor if they plan to buy Trepca and give the money to the albanian mafia. For this reason, nobody is goint to invest.
Furthermore, Trepca was build by Serbs, just like all the roads, universities, hospitals and infrastructure in Kosovo, which was built by Serbs, only to have the albanian ingrates hate the Serbs for allowing them into their country illegaly and giving them a higher standard of living. Just look at albania and compare it to Kosovo, there is no comparison. Kosovo is light years ahead of that backwater!
So, if someone does try to buy Trepca and steal its resources from Serbs, they can expect their share price to tank, and can expect the Serbian army to waltz in and take over operations at some point.
Cheers!!