Former Kosovo President Behgjet Pacolli says U.S. Ambassador in Kosovo Christopher Dell, rather than local political parties, selected the new president.
Hey bishop, have you voted your life to the study of the albanian language and history? And if it was that albanians are originating from the Caucasus, what does it change to you? What do you propose? Which is your bright solution?
P.S. Linguistics and history are a serious thing, you'd better let it to the professionals. The same goes to my albanian fellows here.
"Albanians" are mentioned in Byzantine chronicles for the first time in 1043, over 400 years after the Illyrians have been mentioned for the last time.
"Albanians" are mentioned by the Serbian emperor Dushan, and he calls them "the simple, illiterate Arbanasi". He made it illegal for Serbs and Greeks to marry Albanians, as can be read in his code (zakonik).
The Albanians are not descended from Illyrians, and that claim can be refuted in several ways.
- First of all, there is absolutely no proof, historic, linguistic or archaeological, that they are descended from Illyrians. The Illyrian origin of the Albanians was first suggested by Austria-Hungary, and for purely political reasons and one more tactic used in the Germanic expansion in the Balkans. The southern Slavs considered themselves descendants of Illyrians prior to WWI (Ilirski pokret), and the Austro-Hungarian empire wanted to preserve its Slavic provinces by convincing Slavs that they are not Illyrians, that some other peopl are Illyrians.
- The Illyrian language was centum (as is evident by the Messapian fragments), but the Albanian language is satem.
- Modern Greeks can (at least partially) understand ancient Greek. Italians can understand Latin. Slavs can understand old church Slavonic. shiptars, however, Albanians cannot speak or understand Illyrian (the entire argument is based on a few known illyrian words/toponyms).
- All old toponyms in Albania are either Slavic (Serbian) or Greek. The few Albanian toponyms in Albania sound very much like certain toponyms in the Caucasus region.
- There is no evidence of any ancient Greek or Latin borrowings in the albanian language, suggesting that they were not in contact with these ancient civilizations, which is an impossibility considering their location.
- The Illyrians were well known seafarers and fishermen, yet ALL words related to the sea in the alb language are borrowed either from Slavic or from (modern) Greek.
The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR".
Taken together with the Shqiptar-Albanian toponyms on the territory of the former Caucasian Albania, the etymology of "Shqipatr" becomes evident. Albanians are the only nation in South-East Europe which celebrates traditional Iranian feast Nowruz celebrated by the peoples from the Caucus region...
Wasn't it the USA that created the conditions for removing Milosevic from power. And, who do you think made Tadic president of Serbia, it was your secret friend the CIA. The CIA has Serbia and the Serb people in its back pocket, surely you know that. It's such a shame that you, Jovan, are resisting that which will be very good for the Serb people, but the USA will prevail, they always do.
(The Count of Kosova, 10 April 2011 02:15)
Well if that’s the case why after 12 years of so called Kosovo independence hasn’t Serbia recognized it? The only people in the back pocket are the Albanians because they would starve to death without handouts. Look at your US in Libya and then you might understand how it’s going in this world ha, ha, ha. It should be called the United States of Imbeciles for starting something that will bankrupt them even quicker than the other two wars they are waging.
well, my dear k-albanian friend, count of disneyland, ...you say the US of A got Serbia and the serbian nation in their back-pocket? =)
well, let me put it this way: that´s something the Axis-powers also thought, when they believed Yugoslavia to be their ally.
history, is probably not your best asset. but that doesn´t matter actually, you will learn the differences between Serbs and Albanians in the last few centuries some day. and, I´ll tell you something... taken away the nonsense about being illyrians and unique, there is not much left you can brag about.
since you seem to have a weakness for nobility-titles... just a question: you´ve already realized that the times of the nobility are over for a longer period of time, have you?
but don´t worry, my dear k-albanian friends, southern Serbia will be liberated again. and then, there will be no Americans to tell you what to do.
as for "Tung": why are you writing in a so extremely servile and obedient way? is that your personal nature? well, let me tell you one thing, my dear friend. IF there is something that the Serbs can say with pride, then it is that they never accepted foreign domination.
if you say the Serbs are jealous, then I think you can´t be helped.
you know, this doesn´t work - trying to distract from yourself by claiming that others ( Serbs ) are obedient too.
they´re not. that´s perhaps the most important difference between us, my dear k-albanian friend Tung.
(Jovan, 8 April 2011 13:37)
Jovan,
Wasn't it the USA that created the conditions for removing Milosevic from power. And, who do you think made Tadic president of Serbia, it was your secret friend the CIA. The CIA has Serbia and the Serb people in its back pocket, surely you know that. It's such a shame that you, Jovan, are resisting that which will be very good for the Serb people, but the USA will prevail, they always do.
So? Sarkozy is a puppet of USA as well...entire western Europe is a puppet of US anyway...it is the same as Soviet Russia's role in Warsaw Pact...NATO is the same, but masked with poetic speech...at least in NATO interests are mutual.
The President is the supreme commander of armed forces, in times of war, all important decisions are made by the president, what could ever be better for Kosovo than a highly proffessional former FBI agent...i always wanted Albania to have a president who is a former military, even if he or she were an US trained...
For the moment, US strategic interest fit us best, Europe betrayed us in the past many times, even Germany, Austria and Italy have betrayed us many times in the past...US has never betrayed us, even in ww2, it was the Enlish who helped instal communism in Albania. Plus, Americans need small allies like us with sea access and in the middle of mediterrenian, who knows what will happen, greeks are becoming communists...Italians, well, never in Italian history, italians stayed loyal to their allies...Croats are tied with Germans, so...no country fits best for the US than Albania. If americans appoint former FBI agents as president and we create Ethnic Albania soon,everything is fine with us. Funny how serbs consider this as some kind of tragedy, when we chose Agim Ceku, it reminded them of op storm in croatia, when we chose Thaci, yeah the snake, the terrorist who messed up their milosevician plans, when we chose Pacolli, yeah a millionere whith ties with russia, serb media even published an interview of pacolli in which he stated whatever he stated, ...now that we have a former fbi agent, what is your problem? You want Albania Kurti or what...if i were a serb i would want anyone but Albin Kurti, the dude is young, nationalist, hates serbia and anything serbian...if Albanian Kurti becomes a president and decides to strengthen the Army? It would be a messed up situation, on one side, Kosovo which is buiding a war machine, in the other side, KFOR still present, although in small numbers...here in southern west, it will be enough for us to attach the blue flag on FARSH uniforms...
Nothing changes in Albanian nation... Rulers of Albanians were always nominated by foreign powers. First prince of first Albanian statehood, Wilhelm Wied, was appointed by Austria and Germany. But, to be honest for him - he was an clever man and escaped from Albania when he saw what the country is. Albanians' rulers were always puppets of Istanbul, Vienna, Rome, Berlin, Moscow and now of Washington.
can any albanian here show one albanian source from prior to the 19th century that claims you were "illyrian"? you can search all you want and never find one, that shows how valid your claim is.
jesus, ...I am pulling a K-albanians leg, and he´s not even realizing it!
my dear k-albanian friend... =) you wouldn´t take notice of irony even if it were written in bold letters, would you?
well, let´s better not start about illiteracy, my k-albanian friend, you know why, at least I hope so.
but what was the the best part of your comment, ...when you referred to the Albanians as being something unique, just as if you wanted to enjoy yourself in reiterating the laughable wishful thinking of many K-albanians that they are the descendants of the Illyrians. in your dreams, my friend, in your dreams. by clinging to outdated theories of the socalled german romaticism, you are just making my day.
everytime an Albanian is speaking about uniqueness and illyrian descent, ...the only uniqueness I can see is the really total ignorance for historical facts!
oh and what is also one of my faves, the oh-so-often cited phrase that "Albanianism is the religion of Albanians", most likely many of those K-albanians who are writing this do not even know Pashko Vasa, but never mind. =)
this "proud" display of ignorance towards religion is only one further indication that culture ( religion = culture ) has left you untouched down there in the mountains of Albania.
all your dreams will come to and end, my dear k-albanian friend. it is just a question of time.
"We, the Albanians, on the otherhand are unique as a people" - indeed, overly nationalistic and full of narcissisism - have been to occupied Kosovo as an NATO occupier and it`s not only me who thinks so - internationals in Kosovo just make good faces to you in order to earn their money and get out of this place, or they are just scared, but still happy to pull a dollar from the int.orgazisations. For sure, there are some lefty "hippie girls and - boys", but minority, who are just naive and hope that one day you turn into ethinc group free of clan-based and supremacist "Illyrian " past - personally I doubt it will happen this century. And now - albanians. shoo as u can, that I am a Serb in disguise, or russian or just pro-Serb paid extremist...LOL
On which basis is better, Ian? You mean that Americans can get more involved in choosing president?
The party which wins election gives prime minister, usually leader of that party. Tadic could not be the prime minister as he is already president of Serbia. So he chosen the guy who though that might be the most competent for the job, Cvetkovic.
At least Americans have not chosen Tadic or Cvetkovic, which was the case of Kosovo president.
It would not be Ian if he would not find something bad about Serbia.
(karamustafa, 8 April 2011 21:46)
I said it was better because the appointment of President has to be approved by the Kosovo Assembly first whereas the appointment of the Prime Minister in Serbia isn't approved by the National Assembly of Serbia as such and is just directly appointed by the President. I was saying it is better because Kosovo's elected representatives get a say, Tadic gets to choose who he wants and Serbia's elected representatives don't get a say as such. However both Kosovo's and Serbia's systems are better than the UK's, we have a Monarch and there is nothing we can do about it as such; there is the stability factor by having a monarch but I still dislike it as it is undemocratic.
Also the Americans have not chosen Kosovo's President, the Assembly Members have chosen the President, all the Americans can do is recommend/ suggest a candidate to the coalition. Even Angola could recommend and suggest a candidate if the wanted, it is up to the coalition to listen to them or not. The Americans wouldn't have suggested Jahjaga to the coalition if they didn't believe she would make a good President. Also she is only the President until the direct Presidential election sometime in 2012.
The current system in Kosovo is better than the system in Serbia where the Prime Minister is appointed, Tadic directly appointed Cvetkovic as Prime Minister; at least in Kosovo the Assembly has to have a 2/3 majority for approval.
(Ian, UK, 8 April 2011 17:53)
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I think you are wrong Ian. In Serbia the Prime Minister holds more power than the president, however, in the current situation Tadic in the leader of the DS and Cvetkovic is a party member so Tadic has taken it upon himself to rule Serbia. If Kostunica was Prime Minister, Tadic would crawl back in his hole.
Now back to "Kosova", the United States of America seems to run the show there. I'm still trying to figure out if that is a good thing or not. Do they want to control the drug trade there or are they sincerely attempting to remove the mafia (and do good for the region)? Lets wait and see but I'm not too optimistic.
Wow, how many comments full of poison!!! Til yesterday the same people were shouting at the "machism" of Kosovo society and today, they are not able to say a word of pleasure for having a young woman elected for president? I am shocked on how many people are yelling against albanians. Calm down guys and take a rest. The today's Kosovo president is the first woman in the southeastern Europe to have such a high grade. If you were fair, you would have spent at least one word in favour of the fact that (democratically or not) they have chose a young woman. Really a pitty, you all lost a chance to show a bit of honesty.
have always said that albanians are not capable of running a society. Look at Albania! Strange that this "illyrian culture", dating back 7 gazillian years, has still not created a functional society.
Kosovo has become Americas new Guantanamo bay.
(MikeC, 8 April 2011 20:23)
It will come the day when Americans will not be welcomed any more to create politics in Kosovo and choose president. Just wait and see.
Regarding Guantanamo Bay, US had a plan back in 1999 during the war in Kosovo, to provide temporary accommodation to 20,000 Kosovar Albanians at Guantanamo Bay. The reason why Guantanamo Bay was chosen, because it was on foreign soil, and therefore Albanians would not be able to claim asylum or enter the United States.
Just two years later in 2001, US choose Guantanamo bay as prison for "illegal combatants".
The current system in Kosovo is better than the system in Serbia where the Prime Minister is appointed, Tadic directly appointed Cvetkovic as Prime Minister; at least in Kosovo the Assembly has to have a 2/3 majority for approval.
(Ian, UK, 8 April 2011 17:53)
On which basis is better, Ian? You mean that Americans can get more involved in choosing president?
The party which wins election gives prime minister, usually leader of that party. Tadic could not be the prime minister as he is already president of Serbia. So he chosen the guy who though that might be the most competent for the job, Cvetkovic.
At least Americans have not chosen Tadic or Cvetkovic, which was the case of Kosovo president.
It would not be Ian if he would not find something bad about Serbia.
I know Sarah Palin probably as well as you do, if not more. Rest assured she is dumber than a rock.
KU,
I won't give her the benefit of the doubt. She barley meets minimum requirements to be President. This women is in way over her head. Parties agreed to let her become Pres cause she poses no threat to them. She will just be a figure head with no power.
Her election may be unconstitutional too because they elected her to 1 year term when the Constitution says Presidents term is 5.Parties cannot simply ignore that.
I have always said that albanians are not capable of running a society. Look at Albania! Strange that this "illyrian culture", dating back 7 gazillian years, has still not created a functional society.
Kosovo has become Americas new Guantanamo bay.
How do you like your new strings, kosovo? You are a PUPPET. This is funnier than when Gaddafi made you dance and when you stopped, he threw you out of his tent.
I saw Gaddafi's opposition running like scared chickens on CNN today. Reminded me of you.
Freedom I'm interested how you can believe yourself a patriot and at the same time are happy that your President is decided by the United States.
Do you think that Kosovo Albanians are not capable of electing their own President?
Balkan Update's position is quite a correct and a normal one for somebody who supports democracy in Kosovo, but I don't understand yours.
You say you don't like nationalists, I am not that keen either, but neither do I like people who are servile. Even if you support the Americans they will make a complete fool out of you if you don't show you have a mind of your own.
As it is, it looks highly embarassing. Reports suggested that the US supported the election of Pacoli. Then they changed their minds and support this lady who has come from nowhere. All of a sudden bang you have a new President and you are fine with this?
I suppose if the day after tomorrow they decided that somebody else .should be President you would support that candidate.
KU there is a difference between getting phone calls or emails trying to force through a change in policy. All governments get this around the world. But don't pretend that having your President chosen from the capital of another country is the same thing as that, you know better.
At some point the question has to be asked, are you supporting America or Kosovo?
The Serbian president is chosen by the peoples' vote (an election). The last election was held in 2008 and Boris Tadic won with 50.31% while Tomislav Nikolic got 47.97%. In "Kosova" the United States decides who gets the position of president.
(Zoran, 8 April 2011 16:50)
The role of President is different in Kosovo and Serbia. In Serbia the President appoints the Prime Minister, in Kosovo the Prime Minister appoints the President. In Serbia President Tadic is the man with all the power and in Kosovo the Prime Minister Thaci is the man with all the power, due to the different roles in the different systems. In Serbia the second highest position is the Prime Minister whereas in Kosovo the second highest position is the President. Different systems.
Yes the US may have recommend and suggested that Atifete Jahjaga should be the President however it took a 2/3 majority in the Kosovo Assembly to approve her as the President, which the US can't do. She got 80 votes out of the 100 present Assembly members. She is also classed as an interim-President until the first direct presidential elections in 2012 due to constitutional changes.
The Kosovo Assembly currently decides who gets the Presidency, all the US can do is suggest and recommend a Presidential Candidate to the Democratic Party of Kosovo/ coalition; before that candidate can become President the candidate has to pass a 2/3 majority in the Kosovo Assembly aka approved by the representatives elected by the people of Kosovo. However this system will change in 2012 when the people of Kosovo will get to directly choose their President.
The current system in Kosovo is better than the system in Serbia where the Prime Minister is appointed, Tadic directly appointed Cvetkovic as Prime Minister; at least in Kosovo the Assembly has to have a 2/3 majority for approval.
FYI in Serbia president is not chosen by parlament.
(MITAR, 8 April 2011 16:16)
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The Serbian president is chosen by the peoples' vote (an election). The last election was held in 2008 and Boris Tadic won with 50.31% while Tomislav Nikolic got 47.97%. In "Kosova" the United States decides who gets the position of president.
You think Serbian government does not get envelopes or phone calls? I remember something similar, before the UNGA meeting last year. EU foreign ministers even came to Belgrade to tell Tadic and Jeremic some things personally. And what did Tadic and Jeremic do? They obeyed.
Now, go back to work to invent and find dirt on her. And I have a curiosity, did the Serbian parliament ever choose a woman for president? Envelopes notwithstanding?
(KU, 8 April 2011 15:13)
FYI in Serbia president is not chosen by parlament.
So far this is the strongest message to thaci&co...things are going to change like it or not..and they will,let`s just hope for better.But knowing criminals that run KiM so far they will not give up easy..
Even local US media is talking about albanians and organ trafficking under the nose of US,and for this latest turn of events we have to thank Dick Marty again..
A 36 year old woman who no one's heard of until hand-picked and elected to be president? Can't wait to wee the wikileak cables for this one! I think I was more comfortable when Pacolli was in place.
Ha, everybody was caught by surprise. Everybody is asking "WHO?". Congratulations Kosovo, a woman for president. A young person for president. I would give her the benefit of the doubt BalkanUpdate. Let's see how she does. She was voted by the parliament of Kosovo, so people here can spare us the lessons on democracy. If anything, there is too much democracy there and they could not agree on any names from any parties. So, usually the choice in these cases is to choose somebody neutral. Especially for the role of the President who must be over the parties and represent the unity of the country.
You think Serbian government does not get envelopes or phone calls? I remember something similar, before the UNGA meeting last year. EU foreign ministers even came to Belgrade to tell Tadic and Jeremic some things personally. And what did Tadic and Jeremic do? They obeyed.
Now, go back to work to invent and find dirt on her. And I have a curiosity, did the Serbian parliament ever choose a woman for president? Envelopes notwithstanding?
Operetta general-major in grotesque state...
We all are waiting for Field Marshalls, Fleet Admirals and Generalissimos of The Most Illustrious Republic of Kosova... Operetta costumes are not so expensive...
I have not seen these comments reported anywhere else in Albanian Media, but I suspect this is true & if so it's disgraceful. This women 5-6 years ago was a regular border guard and now a President? Give me a freaking break.I have never seen a single essay/article written by her. I heard rumors she works for CIA, and after this I may be more inclined to believe them. I mean, how else can you achieve this in 10 year at 35 without anything to show for it? I am just stunned.
This is like making Sarah Palin President.....probably worst.Kosovo currently is leaderless....wait, Dell is actually the leader of Kosovo.Why bother with election? Yeah, I agree with some Serb commentators......for a change. I would never vote for any of these clowns. Remove Pacolli and make this obscure women a President? You guys are a joke & as a result people of Kosovo are suffering. Albin Kurti looking more and more like the mature one.
but don´t worry, my dear k-albanian friends, southern Serbia will be liberated again. and then, there will be no Americans to tell you what to do.
as for "Tung": why are you writing in a so extremely servile and obedient way? is that your personal nature? well, let me tell you one thing, my dear friend. IF there is something that the Serbs can say with pride, then it is that they never accepted foreign domination.
if you say the Serbs are jealous, then I think you can´t be helped.
you know, this doesn´t work - trying to distract from yourself by claiming that others ( Serbs ) are obedient too.
they´re not. that´s perhaps the most important difference between us, my dear k-albanian friend Tung.
Interpreter and bodyguard to be ministers and presidents. All people with out school and just like with Hashim Thaci, Ramuz Haradinaj or the new President: you have fake diploms: here in 2000, a Law degree. But the woman was, but at the CIA training, in the George C. Marshall Center in Germany. Police success against organized crime: absolutely zero! If idiots are already professors and ministers, nothing can surprise more in Kosovo.
So much for any respect to democracy. The US usually tries to influence the election of leaders to one degree or another around the world. But this is the first case I've heard described of a politician being hand picked by way of an envelope.
Really, what is the point of democracy at all if other countries can do this - and with little objection from politicians that are supposed to be looking after the interests of their people?
This is the way things work when it comes to the US. You do as we say or else. Who in Kosovo would care whether Jahjaga has Clinton's respect and the respect of other US citizens. She is an American puppet placed strategically. The funny thing is that Thaci and others cannot reject the choice because their masters, stealing a line from Captain Picard of Star Trek, told them "Make it So!"
Fear not Albanians, Serbia is close to going down this path too by bowing down to whatever the EU tells it to do. The problem is that all the peoples in Eastern Europe are so desperate to live the so called "good life" that they are willing to give up their souls to the devil for a BMW or an expensive pair of shoes. My message to all of you is have some dignity and stand up and say "no!" Make your own way or the US and Western Europe will make you all no more than a laughing stock.
"When U.S. Ambassador Christopher Dell produced the name of Atifete Jahjage from the envelope in order to suggest her as president, Hashim Thaci and Isa Mustafa were surprised," he told Priština-based TV Clan.
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A policewoman president of a mafia state? Is she tasked with cleaning up the world's largest prison camp?
So much for any respect to democracy. The US usually tries to influence the election of leaders to one degree or another around the world. But this is the first case I've heard described of a politician being hand picked by way of an envelope.
Really, what is the point of democracy at all if other countries can do this - and with little objection from politicians that are supposed to be looking after the interests of their people?
This is the way things work when it comes to the US. You do as we say or else. Who in Kosovo would care whether Jahjaga has Clinton's respect and the respect of other US citizens. She is an American puppet placed strategically. The funny thing is that Thaci and others cannot reject the choice because their masters, stealing a line from Captain Picard of Star Trek, told them "Make it So!"
Fear not Albanians, Serbia is close to going down this path too by bowing down to whatever the EU tells it to do. The problem is that all the peoples in Eastern Europe are so desperate to live the so called "good life" that they are willing to give up their souls to the devil for a BMW or an expensive pair of shoes. My message to all of you is have some dignity and stand up and say "no!" Make your own way or the US and Western Europe will make you all no more than a laughing stock.
Interpreter and bodyguard to be ministers and presidents. All people with out school and just like with Hashim Thaci, Ramuz Haradinaj or the new President: you have fake diploms: here in 2000, a Law degree. But the woman was, but at the CIA training, in the George C. Marshall Center in Germany. Police success against organized crime: absolutely zero! If idiots are already professors and ministers, nothing can surprise more in Kosovo.
"When U.S. Ambassador Christopher Dell produced the name of Atifete Jahjage from the envelope in order to suggest her as president, Hashim Thaci and Isa Mustafa were surprised," he told Priština-based TV Clan.
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A policewoman president of a mafia state? Is she tasked with cleaning up the world's largest prison camp?
but don´t worry, my dear k-albanian friends, southern Serbia will be liberated again. and then, there will be no Americans to tell you what to do.
as for "Tung": why are you writing in a so extremely servile and obedient way? is that your personal nature? well, let me tell you one thing, my dear friend. IF there is something that the Serbs can say with pride, then it is that they never accepted foreign domination.
if you say the Serbs are jealous, then I think you can´t be helped.
you know, this doesn´t work - trying to distract from yourself by claiming that others ( Serbs ) are obedient too.
they´re not. that´s perhaps the most important difference between us, my dear k-albanian friend Tung.
I have not seen these comments reported anywhere else in Albanian Media, but I suspect this is true & if so it's disgraceful. This women 5-6 years ago was a regular border guard and now a President? Give me a freaking break.I have never seen a single essay/article written by her. I heard rumors she works for CIA, and after this I may be more inclined to believe them. I mean, how else can you achieve this in 10 year at 35 without anything to show for it? I am just stunned.
This is like making Sarah Palin President.....probably worst.Kosovo currently is leaderless....wait, Dell is actually the leader of Kosovo.Why bother with election? Yeah, I agree with some Serb commentators......for a change. I would never vote for any of these clowns. Remove Pacolli and make this obscure women a President? You guys are a joke & as a result people of Kosovo are suffering. Albin Kurti looking more and more like the mature one.
FYI in Serbia president is not chosen by parlament.
(MITAR, 8 April 2011 16:16)
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The Serbian president is chosen by the peoples' vote (an election). The last election was held in 2008 and Boris Tadic won with 50.31% while Tomislav Nikolic got 47.97%. In "Kosova" the United States decides who gets the position of president.
You think Serbian government does not get envelopes or phone calls? I remember something similar, before the UNGA meeting last year. EU foreign ministers even came to Belgrade to tell Tadic and Jeremic some things personally. And what did Tadic and Jeremic do? They obeyed.
Now, go back to work to invent and find dirt on her. And I have a curiosity, did the Serbian parliament ever choose a woman for president? Envelopes notwithstanding?
(KU, 8 April 2011 15:13)
FYI in Serbia president is not chosen by parlament.
A 36 year old woman who no one's heard of until hand-picked and elected to be president? Can't wait to wee the wikileak cables for this one! I think I was more comfortable when Pacolli was in place.
I have always said that albanians are not capable of running a society. Look at Albania! Strange that this "illyrian culture", dating back 7 gazillian years, has still not created a functional society.
Kosovo has become Americas new Guantanamo bay.
So far this is the strongest message to thaci&co...things are going to change like it or not..and they will,let`s just hope for better.But knowing criminals that run KiM so far they will not give up easy..
Even local US media is talking about albanians and organ trafficking under the nose of US,and for this latest turn of events we have to thank Dick Marty again..
can any albanian here show one albanian source from prior to the 19th century that claims you were "illyrian"? you can search all you want and never find one, that shows how valid your claim is.
The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR".
Taken together with the Shqiptar-Albanian toponyms on the territory of the former Caucasian Albania, the etymology of "Shqipatr" becomes evident. Albanians are the only nation in South-East Europe which celebrates traditional Iranian feast Nowruz celebrated by the peoples from the Caucus region...
Nothing changes in Albanian nation... Rulers of Albanians were always nominated by foreign powers. First prince of first Albanian statehood, Wilhelm Wied, was appointed by Austria and Germany. But, to be honest for him - he was an clever man and escaped from Albania when he saw what the country is. Albanians' rulers were always puppets of Istanbul, Vienna, Rome, Berlin, Moscow and now of Washington.
How do you like your new strings, kosovo? You are a PUPPET. This is funnier than when Gaddafi made you dance and when you stopped, he threw you out of his tent.
I saw Gaddafi's opposition running like scared chickens on CNN today. Reminded me of you.
jesus, ...I am pulling a K-albanians leg, and he´s not even realizing it!
my dear k-albanian friend... =) you wouldn´t take notice of irony even if it were written in bold letters, would you?
well, let´s better not start about illiteracy, my k-albanian friend, you know why, at least I hope so.
but what was the the best part of your comment, ...when you referred to the Albanians as being something unique, just as if you wanted to enjoy yourself in reiterating the laughable wishful thinking of many K-albanians that they are the descendants of the Illyrians. in your dreams, my friend, in your dreams. by clinging to outdated theories of the socalled german romaticism, you are just making my day.
everytime an Albanian is speaking about uniqueness and illyrian descent, ...the only uniqueness I can see is the really total ignorance for historical facts!
oh and what is also one of my faves, the oh-so-often cited phrase that "Albanianism is the religion of Albanians", most likely many of those K-albanians who are writing this do not even know Pashko Vasa, but never mind. =)
this "proud" display of ignorance towards religion is only one further indication that culture ( religion = culture ) has left you untouched down there in the mountains of Albania.
all your dreams will come to and end, my dear k-albanian friend. it is just a question of time.
The current system in Kosovo is better than the system in Serbia where the Prime Minister is appointed, Tadic directly appointed Cvetkovic as Prime Minister; at least in Kosovo the Assembly has to have a 2/3 majority for approval.
(Ian, UK, 8 April 2011 17:53)
On which basis is better, Ian? You mean that Americans can get more involved in choosing president?
The party which wins election gives prime minister, usually leader of that party. Tadic could not be the prime minister as he is already president of Serbia. So he chosen the guy who though that might be the most competent for the job, Cvetkovic.
At least Americans have not chosen Tadic or Cvetkovic, which was the case of Kosovo president.
It would not be Ian if he would not find something bad about Serbia.
Ha, everybody was caught by surprise. Everybody is asking "WHO?". Congratulations Kosovo, a woman for president. A young person for president. I would give her the benefit of the doubt BalkanUpdate. Let's see how she does. She was voted by the parliament of Kosovo, so people here can spare us the lessons on democracy. If anything, there is too much democracy there and they could not agree on any names from any parties. So, usually the choice in these cases is to choose somebody neutral. Especially for the role of the President who must be over the parties and represent the unity of the country.
You think Serbian government does not get envelopes or phone calls? I remember something similar, before the UNGA meeting last year. EU foreign ministers even came to Belgrade to tell Tadic and Jeremic some things personally. And what did Tadic and Jeremic do? They obeyed.
Now, go back to work to invent and find dirt on her. And I have a curiosity, did the Serbian parliament ever choose a woman for president? Envelopes notwithstanding?
Freedom I'm interested how you can believe yourself a patriot and at the same time are happy that your President is decided by the United States.
Do you think that Kosovo Albanians are not capable of electing their own President?
Balkan Update's position is quite a correct and a normal one for somebody who supports democracy in Kosovo, but I don't understand yours.
You say you don't like nationalists, I am not that keen either, but neither do I like people who are servile. Even if you support the Americans they will make a complete fool out of you if you don't show you have a mind of your own.
As it is, it looks highly embarassing. Reports suggested that the US supported the election of Pacoli. Then they changed their minds and support this lady who has come from nowhere. All of a sudden bang you have a new President and you are fine with this?
I suppose if the day after tomorrow they decided that somebody else .should be President you would support that candidate.
KU there is a difference between getting phone calls or emails trying to force through a change in policy. All governments get this around the world. But don't pretend that having your President chosen from the capital of another country is the same thing as that, you know better.
At some point the question has to be asked, are you supporting America or Kosovo?
The Serbian president is chosen by the peoples' vote (an election). The last election was held in 2008 and Boris Tadic won with 50.31% while Tomislav Nikolic got 47.97%. In "Kosova" the United States decides who gets the position of president.
(Zoran, 8 April 2011 16:50)
The role of President is different in Kosovo and Serbia. In Serbia the President appoints the Prime Minister, in Kosovo the Prime Minister appoints the President. In Serbia President Tadic is the man with all the power and in Kosovo the Prime Minister Thaci is the man with all the power, due to the different roles in the different systems. In Serbia the second highest position is the Prime Minister whereas in Kosovo the second highest position is the President. Different systems.
Yes the US may have recommend and suggested that Atifete Jahjaga should be the President however it took a 2/3 majority in the Kosovo Assembly to approve her as the President, which the US can't do. She got 80 votes out of the 100 present Assembly members. She is also classed as an interim-President until the first direct presidential elections in 2012 due to constitutional changes.
The Kosovo Assembly currently decides who gets the Presidency, all the US can do is suggest and recommend a Presidential Candidate to the Democratic Party of Kosovo/ coalition; before that candidate can become President the candidate has to pass a 2/3 majority in the Kosovo Assembly aka approved by the representatives elected by the people of Kosovo. However this system will change in 2012 when the people of Kosovo will get to directly choose their President.
The current system in Kosovo is better than the system in Serbia where the Prime Minister is appointed, Tadic directly appointed Cvetkovic as Prime Minister; at least in Kosovo the Assembly has to have a 2/3 majority for approval.
"We, the Albanians, on the otherhand are unique as a people" - indeed, overly nationalistic and full of narcissisism - have been to occupied Kosovo as an NATO occupier and it`s not only me who thinks so - internationals in Kosovo just make good faces to you in order to earn their money and get out of this place, or they are just scared, but still happy to pull a dollar from the int.orgazisations. For sure, there are some lefty "hippie girls and - boys", but minority, who are just naive and hope that one day you turn into ethinc group free of clan-based and supremacist "Illyrian " past - personally I doubt it will happen this century. And now - albanians. shoo as u can, that I am a Serb in disguise, or russian or just pro-Serb paid extremist...LOL
have always said that albanians are not capable of running a society. Look at Albania! Strange that this "illyrian culture", dating back 7 gazillian years, has still not created a functional society.
Kosovo has become Americas new Guantanamo bay.
(MikeC, 8 April 2011 20:23)
It will come the day when Americans will not be welcomed any more to create politics in Kosovo and choose president. Just wait and see.
Regarding Guantanamo Bay, US had a plan back in 1999 during the war in Kosovo, to provide temporary accommodation to 20,000 Kosovar Albanians at Guantanamo Bay. The reason why Guantanamo Bay was chosen, because it was on foreign soil, and therefore Albanians would not be able to claim asylum or enter the United States.
Just two years later in 2001, US choose Guantanamo bay as prison for "illegal combatants".
Operetta general-major in grotesque state...
We all are waiting for Field Marshalls, Fleet Admirals and Generalissimos of The Most Illustrious Republic of Kosova... Operetta costumes are not so expensive...
I know Sarah Palin probably as well as you do, if not more. Rest assured she is dumber than a rock.
KU,
I won't give her the benefit of the doubt. She barley meets minimum requirements to be President. This women is in way over her head. Parties agreed to let her become Pres cause she poses no threat to them. She will just be a figure head with no power.
Her election may be unconstitutional too because they elected her to 1 year term when the Constitution says Presidents term is 5.Parties cannot simply ignore that.
The current system in Kosovo is better than the system in Serbia where the Prime Minister is appointed, Tadic directly appointed Cvetkovic as Prime Minister; at least in Kosovo the Assembly has to have a 2/3 majority for approval.
(Ian, UK, 8 April 2011 17:53)
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I think you are wrong Ian. In Serbia the Prime Minister holds more power than the president, however, in the current situation Tadic in the leader of the DS and Cvetkovic is a party member so Tadic has taken it upon himself to rule Serbia. If Kostunica was Prime Minister, Tadic would crawl back in his hole.
Now back to "Kosova", the United States of America seems to run the show there. I'm still trying to figure out if that is a good thing or not. Do they want to control the drug trade there or are they sincerely attempting to remove the mafia (and do good for the region)? Lets wait and see but I'm not too optimistic.
"Albanians" are mentioned in Byzantine chronicles for the first time in 1043, over 400 years after the Illyrians have been mentioned for the last time.
"Albanians" are mentioned by the Serbian emperor Dushan, and he calls them "the simple, illiterate Arbanasi". He made it illegal for Serbs and Greeks to marry Albanians, as can be read in his code (zakonik).
The Albanians are not descended from Illyrians, and that claim can be refuted in several ways.
- First of all, there is absolutely no proof, historic, linguistic or archaeological, that they are descended from Illyrians. The Illyrian origin of the Albanians was first suggested by Austria-Hungary, and for purely political reasons and one more tactic used in the Germanic expansion in the Balkans. The southern Slavs considered themselves descendants of Illyrians prior to WWI (Ilirski pokret), and the Austro-Hungarian empire wanted to preserve its Slavic provinces by convincing Slavs that they are not Illyrians, that some other peopl are Illyrians.
- The Illyrian language was centum (as is evident by the Messapian fragments), but the Albanian language is satem.
- Modern Greeks can (at least partially) understand ancient Greek. Italians can understand Latin. Slavs can understand old church Slavonic. shiptars, however, Albanians cannot speak or understand Illyrian (the entire argument is based on a few known illyrian words/toponyms).
- All old toponyms in Albania are either Slavic (Serbian) or Greek. The few Albanian toponyms in Albania sound very much like certain toponyms in the Caucasus region.
- There is no evidence of any ancient Greek or Latin borrowings in the albanian language, suggesting that they were not in contact with these ancient civilizations, which is an impossibility considering their location.
- The Illyrians were well known seafarers and fishermen, yet ALL words related to the sea in the alb language are borrowed either from Slavic or from (modern) Greek.
Wow, how many comments full of poison!!! Til yesterday the same people were shouting at the "machism" of Kosovo society and today, they are not able to say a word of pleasure for having a young woman elected for president? I am shocked on how many people are yelling against albanians. Calm down guys and take a rest. The today's Kosovo president is the first woman in the southeastern Europe to have such a high grade. If you were fair, you would have spent at least one word in favour of the fact that (democratically or not) they have chose a young woman. Really a pitty, you all lost a chance to show a bit of honesty.
well, my dear k-albanian friend, count of disneyland, ...you say the US of A got Serbia and the serbian nation in their back-pocket? =)
well, let me put it this way: that´s something the Axis-powers also thought, when they believed Yugoslavia to be their ally.
history, is probably not your best asset. but that doesn´t matter actually, you will learn the differences between Serbs and Albanians in the last few centuries some day. and, I´ll tell you something... taken away the nonsense about being illyrians and unique, there is not much left you can brag about.
since you seem to have a weakness for nobility-titles... just a question: you´ve already realized that the times of the nobility are over for a longer period of time, have you?
Wasn't it the USA that created the conditions for removing Milosevic from power. And, who do you think made Tadic president of Serbia, it was your secret friend the CIA. The CIA has Serbia and the Serb people in its back pocket, surely you know that. It's such a shame that you, Jovan, are resisting that which will be very good for the Serb people, but the USA will prevail, they always do.
(The Count of Kosova, 10 April 2011 02:15)
Well if that’s the case why after 12 years of so called Kosovo independence hasn’t Serbia recognized it? The only people in the back pocket are the Albanians because they would starve to death without handouts. Look at your US in Libya and then you might understand how it’s going in this world ha, ha, ha. It should be called the United States of Imbeciles for starting something that will bankrupt them even quicker than the other two wars they are waging.
On which basis is better, Ian? You mean that Americans can get more involved in choosing president?
The party which wins election gives prime minister, usually leader of that party. Tadic could not be the prime minister as he is already president of Serbia. So he chosen the guy who though that might be the most competent for the job, Cvetkovic.
At least Americans have not chosen Tadic or Cvetkovic, which was the case of Kosovo president.
It would not be Ian if he would not find something bad about Serbia.
(karamustafa, 8 April 2011 21:46)
I said it was better because the appointment of President has to be approved by the Kosovo Assembly first whereas the appointment of the Prime Minister in Serbia isn't approved by the National Assembly of Serbia as such and is just directly appointed by the President. I was saying it is better because Kosovo's elected representatives get a say, Tadic gets to choose who he wants and Serbia's elected representatives don't get a say as such. However both Kosovo's and Serbia's systems are better than the UK's, we have a Monarch and there is nothing we can do about it as such; there is the stability factor by having a monarch but I still dislike it as it is undemocratic.
Also the Americans have not chosen Kosovo's President, the Assembly Members have chosen the President, all the Americans can do is recommend/ suggest a candidate to the coalition. Even Angola could recommend and suggest a candidate if the wanted, it is up to the coalition to listen to them or not. The Americans wouldn't have suggested Jahjaga to the coalition if they didn't believe she would make a good President. Also she is only the President until the direct Presidential election sometime in 2012.
but don´t worry, my dear k-albanian friends, southern Serbia will be liberated again. and then, there will be no Americans to tell you what to do.
as for "Tung": why are you writing in a so extremely servile and obedient way? is that your personal nature? well, let me tell you one thing, my dear friend. IF there is something that the Serbs can say with pride, then it is that they never accepted foreign domination.
if you say the Serbs are jealous, then I think you can´t be helped.
you know, this doesn´t work - trying to distract from yourself by claiming that others ( Serbs ) are obedient too.
they´re not. that´s perhaps the most important difference between us, my dear k-albanian friend Tung.
(Jovan, 8 April 2011 13:37)
Jovan,
Wasn't it the USA that created the conditions for removing Milosevic from power. And, who do you think made Tadic president of Serbia, it was your secret friend the CIA. The CIA has Serbia and the Serb people in its back pocket, surely you know that. It's such a shame that you, Jovan, are resisting that which will be very good for the Serb people, but the USA will prevail, they always do.
So? Sarkozy is a puppet of USA as well...entire western Europe is a puppet of US anyway...it is the same as Soviet Russia's role in Warsaw Pact...NATO is the same, but masked with poetic speech...at least in NATO interests are mutual.
The President is the supreme commander of armed forces, in times of war, all important decisions are made by the president, what could ever be better for Kosovo than a highly proffessional former FBI agent...i always wanted Albania to have a president who is a former military, even if he or she were an US trained...
For the moment, US strategic interest fit us best, Europe betrayed us in the past many times, even Germany, Austria and Italy have betrayed us many times in the past...US has never betrayed us, even in ww2, it was the Enlish who helped instal communism in Albania. Plus, Americans need small allies like us with sea access and in the middle of mediterrenian, who knows what will happen, greeks are becoming communists...Italians, well, never in Italian history, italians stayed loyal to their allies...Croats are tied with Germans, so...no country fits best for the US than Albania. If americans appoint former FBI agents as president and we create Ethnic Albania soon,everything is fine with us. Funny how serbs consider this as some kind of tragedy, when we chose Agim Ceku, it reminded them of op storm in croatia, when we chose Thaci, yeah the snake, the terrorist who messed up their milosevician plans, when we chose Pacolli, yeah a millionere whith ties with russia, serb media even published an interview of pacolli in which he stated whatever he stated, ...now that we have a former fbi agent, what is your problem? You want Albania Kurti or what...if i were a serb i would want anyone but Albin Kurti, the dude is young, nationalist, hates serbia and anything serbian...if Albanian Kurti becomes a president and decides to strengthen the Army? It would be a messed up situation, on one side, Kosovo which is buiding a war machine, in the other side, KFOR still present, although in small numbers...here in southern west, it will be enough for us to attach the blue flag on FARSH uniforms...
Hey bishop, have you voted your life to the study of the albanian language and history? And if it was that albanians are originating from the Caucasus, what does it change to you? What do you propose? Which is your bright solution?
P.S. Linguistics and history are a serious thing, you'd better let it to the professionals. The same goes to my albanian fellows here.
"When U.S. Ambassador Christopher Dell produced the name of Atifete Jahjage from the envelope in order to suggest her as president, Hashim Thaci and Isa Mustafa were surprised," he told Priština-based TV Clan.
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A policewoman president of a mafia state? Is she tasked with cleaning up the world's largest prison camp?
Ha, everybody was caught by surprise. Everybody is asking "WHO?". Congratulations Kosovo, a woman for president. A young person for president. I would give her the benefit of the doubt BalkanUpdate. Let's see how she does. She was voted by the parliament of Kosovo, so people here can spare us the lessons on democracy. If anything, there is too much democracy there and they could not agree on any names from any parties. So, usually the choice in these cases is to choose somebody neutral. Especially for the role of the President who must be over the parties and represent the unity of the country.
You think Serbian government does not get envelopes or phone calls? I remember something similar, before the UNGA meeting last year. EU foreign ministers even came to Belgrade to tell Tadic and Jeremic some things personally. And what did Tadic and Jeremic do? They obeyed.
Now, go back to work to invent and find dirt on her. And I have a curiosity, did the Serbian parliament ever choose a woman for president? Envelopes notwithstanding?
but don´t worry, my dear k-albanian friends, southern Serbia will be liberated again. and then, there will be no Americans to tell you what to do.
as for "Tung": why are you writing in a so extremely servile and obedient way? is that your personal nature? well, let me tell you one thing, my dear friend. IF there is something that the Serbs can say with pride, then it is that they never accepted foreign domination.
if you say the Serbs are jealous, then I think you can´t be helped.
you know, this doesn´t work - trying to distract from yourself by claiming that others ( Serbs ) are obedient too.
they´re not. that´s perhaps the most important difference between us, my dear k-albanian friend Tung.
Wow, how many comments full of poison!!! Til yesterday the same people were shouting at the "machism" of Kosovo society and today, they are not able to say a word of pleasure for having a young woman elected for president? I am shocked on how many people are yelling against albanians. Calm down guys and take a rest. The today's Kosovo president is the first woman in the southeastern Europe to have such a high grade. If you were fair, you would have spent at least one word in favour of the fact that (democratically or not) they have chose a young woman. Really a pitty, you all lost a chance to show a bit of honesty.
The Serbian president is chosen by the peoples' vote (an election). The last election was held in 2008 and Boris Tadic won with 50.31% while Tomislav Nikolic got 47.97%. In "Kosova" the United States decides who gets the position of president.
(Zoran, 8 April 2011 16:50)
The role of President is different in Kosovo and Serbia. In Serbia the President appoints the Prime Minister, in Kosovo the Prime Minister appoints the President. In Serbia President Tadic is the man with all the power and in Kosovo the Prime Minister Thaci is the man with all the power, due to the different roles in the different systems. In Serbia the second highest position is the Prime Minister whereas in Kosovo the second highest position is the President. Different systems.
Yes the US may have recommend and suggested that Atifete Jahjaga should be the President however it took a 2/3 majority in the Kosovo Assembly to approve her as the President, which the US can't do. She got 80 votes out of the 100 present Assembly members. She is also classed as an interim-President until the first direct presidential elections in 2012 due to constitutional changes.
The Kosovo Assembly currently decides who gets the Presidency, all the US can do is suggest and recommend a Presidential Candidate to the Democratic Party of Kosovo/ coalition; before that candidate can become President the candidate has to pass a 2/3 majority in the Kosovo Assembly aka approved by the representatives elected by the people of Kosovo. However this system will change in 2012 when the people of Kosovo will get to directly choose their President.
The current system in Kosovo is better than the system in Serbia where the Prime Minister is appointed, Tadic directly appointed Cvetkovic as Prime Minister; at least in Kosovo the Assembly has to have a 2/3 majority for approval.
FYI in Serbia president is not chosen by parlament.
(MITAR, 8 April 2011 16:16)
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The Serbian president is chosen by the peoples' vote (an election). The last election was held in 2008 and Boris Tadic won with 50.31% while Tomislav Nikolic got 47.97%. In "Kosova" the United States decides who gets the position of president.
Operetta general-major in grotesque state...
We all are waiting for Field Marshalls, Fleet Admirals and Generalissimos of The Most Illustrious Republic of Kosova... Operetta costumes are not so expensive...
On which basis is better, Ian? You mean that Americans can get more involved in choosing president?
The party which wins election gives prime minister, usually leader of that party. Tadic could not be the prime minister as he is already president of Serbia. So he chosen the guy who though that might be the most competent for the job, Cvetkovic.
At least Americans have not chosen Tadic or Cvetkovic, which was the case of Kosovo president.
It would not be Ian if he would not find something bad about Serbia.
(karamustafa, 8 April 2011 21:46)
I said it was better because the appointment of President has to be approved by the Kosovo Assembly first whereas the appointment of the Prime Minister in Serbia isn't approved by the National Assembly of Serbia as such and is just directly appointed by the President. I was saying it is better because Kosovo's elected representatives get a say, Tadic gets to choose who he wants and Serbia's elected representatives don't get a say as such. However both Kosovo's and Serbia's systems are better than the UK's, we have a Monarch and there is nothing we can do about it as such; there is the stability factor by having a monarch but I still dislike it as it is undemocratic.
Also the Americans have not chosen Kosovo's President, the Assembly Members have chosen the President, all the Americans can do is recommend/ suggest a candidate to the coalition. Even Angola could recommend and suggest a candidate if the wanted, it is up to the coalition to listen to them or not. The Americans wouldn't have suggested Jahjaga to the coalition if they didn't believe she would make a good President. Also she is only the President until the direct Presidential election sometime in 2012.
This is the way things work when it comes to the US. You do as we say or else. Who in Kosovo would care whether Jahjaga has Clinton's respect and the respect of other US citizens. She is an American puppet placed strategically. The funny thing is that Thaci and others cannot reject the choice because their masters, stealing a line from Captain Picard of Star Trek, told them "Make it So!"
Fear not Albanians, Serbia is close to going down this path too by bowing down to whatever the EU tells it to do. The problem is that all the peoples in Eastern Europe are so desperate to live the so called "good life" that they are willing to give up their souls to the devil for a BMW or an expensive pair of shoes. My message to all of you is have some dignity and stand up and say "no!" Make your own way or the US and Western Europe will make you all no more than a laughing stock.
Interpreter and bodyguard to be ministers and presidents. All people with out school and just like with Hashim Thaci, Ramuz Haradinaj or the new President: you have fake diploms: here in 2000, a Law degree. But the woman was, but at the CIA training, in the George C. Marshall Center in Germany. Police success against organized crime: absolutely zero! If idiots are already professors and ministers, nothing can surprise more in Kosovo.
I have not seen these comments reported anywhere else in Albanian Media, but I suspect this is true & if so it's disgraceful. This women 5-6 years ago was a regular border guard and now a President? Give me a freaking break.I have never seen a single essay/article written by her. I heard rumors she works for CIA, and after this I may be more inclined to believe them. I mean, how else can you achieve this in 10 year at 35 without anything to show for it? I am just stunned.
This is like making Sarah Palin President.....probably worst.Kosovo currently is leaderless....wait, Dell is actually the leader of Kosovo.Why bother with election? Yeah, I agree with some Serb commentators......for a change. I would never vote for any of these clowns. Remove Pacolli and make this obscure women a President? You guys are a joke & as a result people of Kosovo are suffering. Albin Kurti looking more and more like the mature one.
but don´t worry, my dear k-albanian friends, southern Serbia will be liberated again. and then, there will be no Americans to tell you what to do.
as for "Tung": why are you writing in a so extremely servile and obedient way? is that your personal nature? well, let me tell you one thing, my dear friend. IF there is something that the Serbs can say with pride, then it is that they never accepted foreign domination.
if you say the Serbs are jealous, then I think you can´t be helped.
you know, this doesn´t work - trying to distract from yourself by claiming that others ( Serbs ) are obedient too.
they´re not. that´s perhaps the most important difference between us, my dear k-albanian friend Tung.
(Jovan, 8 April 2011 13:37)
Jovan,
Wasn't it the USA that created the conditions for removing Milosevic from power. And, who do you think made Tadic president of Serbia, it was your secret friend the CIA. The CIA has Serbia and the Serb people in its back pocket, surely you know that. It's such a shame that you, Jovan, are resisting that which will be very good for the Serb people, but the USA will prevail, they always do.
So much for any respect to democracy. The US usually tries to influence the election of leaders to one degree or another around the world. But this is the first case I've heard described of a politician being hand picked by way of an envelope.
Really, what is the point of democracy at all if other countries can do this - and with little objection from politicians that are supposed to be looking after the interests of their people?
A 36 year old woman who no one's heard of until hand-picked and elected to be president? Can't wait to wee the wikileak cables for this one! I think I was more comfortable when Pacolli was in place.
So far this is the strongest message to thaci&co...things are going to change like it or not..and they will,let`s just hope for better.But knowing criminals that run KiM so far they will not give up easy..
Even local US media is talking about albanians and organ trafficking under the nose of US,and for this latest turn of events we have to thank Dick Marty again..
You think Serbian government does not get envelopes or phone calls? I remember something similar, before the UNGA meeting last year. EU foreign ministers even came to Belgrade to tell Tadic and Jeremic some things personally. And what did Tadic and Jeremic do? They obeyed.
Now, go back to work to invent and find dirt on her. And I have a curiosity, did the Serbian parliament ever choose a woman for president? Envelopes notwithstanding?
(KU, 8 April 2011 15:13)
FYI in Serbia president is not chosen by parlament.
How do you like your new strings, kosovo? You are a PUPPET. This is funnier than when Gaddafi made you dance and when you stopped, he threw you out of his tent.
I saw Gaddafi's opposition running like scared chickens on CNN today. Reminded me of you.
So? Sarkozy is a puppet of USA as well...entire western Europe is a puppet of US anyway...it is the same as Soviet Russia's role in Warsaw Pact...NATO is the same, but masked with poetic speech...at least in NATO interests are mutual.
The President is the supreme commander of armed forces, in times of war, all important decisions are made by the president, what could ever be better for Kosovo than a highly proffessional former FBI agent...i always wanted Albania to have a president who is a former military, even if he or she were an US trained...
For the moment, US strategic interest fit us best, Europe betrayed us in the past many times, even Germany, Austria and Italy have betrayed us many times in the past...US has never betrayed us, even in ww2, it was the Enlish who helped instal communism in Albania. Plus, Americans need small allies like us with sea access and in the middle of mediterrenian, who knows what will happen, greeks are becoming communists...Italians, well, never in Italian history, italians stayed loyal to their allies...Croats are tied with Germans, so...no country fits best for the US than Albania. If americans appoint former FBI agents as president and we create Ethnic Albania soon,everything is fine with us. Funny how serbs consider this as some kind of tragedy, when we chose Agim Ceku, it reminded them of op storm in croatia, when we chose Thaci, yeah the snake, the terrorist who messed up their milosevician plans, when we chose Pacolli, yeah a millionere whith ties with russia, serb media even published an interview of pacolli in which he stated whatever he stated, ...now that we have a former fbi agent, what is your problem? You want Albania Kurti or what...if i were a serb i would want anyone but Albin Kurti, the dude is young, nationalist, hates serbia and anything serbian...if Albanian Kurti becomes a president and decides to strengthen the Army? It would be a messed up situation, on one side, Kosovo which is buiding a war machine, in the other side, KFOR still present, although in small numbers...here in southern west, it will be enough for us to attach the blue flag on FARSH uniforms...
The current system in Kosovo is better than the system in Serbia where the Prime Minister is appointed, Tadic directly appointed Cvetkovic as Prime Minister; at least in Kosovo the Assembly has to have a 2/3 majority for approval.
(Ian, UK, 8 April 2011 17:53)
On which basis is better, Ian? You mean that Americans can get more involved in choosing president?
The party which wins election gives prime minister, usually leader of that party. Tadic could not be the prime minister as he is already president of Serbia. So he chosen the guy who though that might be the most competent for the job, Cvetkovic.
At least Americans have not chosen Tadic or Cvetkovic, which was the case of Kosovo president.
It would not be Ian if he would not find something bad about Serbia.
I know Sarah Palin probably as well as you do, if not more. Rest assured she is dumber than a rock.
KU,
I won't give her the benefit of the doubt. She barley meets minimum requirements to be President. This women is in way over her head. Parties agreed to let her become Pres cause she poses no threat to them. She will just be a figure head with no power.
Her election may be unconstitutional too because they elected her to 1 year term when the Constitution says Presidents term is 5.Parties cannot simply ignore that.
Freedom I'm interested how you can believe yourself a patriot and at the same time are happy that your President is decided by the United States.
Do you think that Kosovo Albanians are not capable of electing their own President?
Balkan Update's position is quite a correct and a normal one for somebody who supports democracy in Kosovo, but I don't understand yours.
You say you don't like nationalists, I am not that keen either, but neither do I like people who are servile. Even if you support the Americans they will make a complete fool out of you if you don't show you have a mind of your own.
As it is, it looks highly embarassing. Reports suggested that the US supported the election of Pacoli. Then they changed their minds and support this lady who has come from nowhere. All of a sudden bang you have a new President and you are fine with this?
I suppose if the day after tomorrow they decided that somebody else .should be President you would support that candidate.
KU there is a difference between getting phone calls or emails trying to force through a change in policy. All governments get this around the world. But don't pretend that having your President chosen from the capital of another country is the same thing as that, you know better.
At some point the question has to be asked, are you supporting America or Kosovo?
I have always said that albanians are not capable of running a society. Look at Albania! Strange that this "illyrian culture", dating back 7 gazillian years, has still not created a functional society.
Kosovo has become Americas new Guantanamo bay.
The current system in Kosovo is better than the system in Serbia where the Prime Minister is appointed, Tadic directly appointed Cvetkovic as Prime Minister; at least in Kosovo the Assembly has to have a 2/3 majority for approval.
(Ian, UK, 8 April 2011 17:53)
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I think you are wrong Ian. In Serbia the Prime Minister holds more power than the president, however, in the current situation Tadic in the leader of the DS and Cvetkovic is a party member so Tadic has taken it upon himself to rule Serbia. If Kostunica was Prime Minister, Tadic would crawl back in his hole.
Now back to "Kosova", the United States of America seems to run the show there. I'm still trying to figure out if that is a good thing or not. Do they want to control the drug trade there or are they sincerely attempting to remove the mafia (and do good for the region)? Lets wait and see but I'm not too optimistic.
"We, the Albanians, on the otherhand are unique as a people" - indeed, overly nationalistic and full of narcissisism - have been to occupied Kosovo as an NATO occupier and it`s not only me who thinks so - internationals in Kosovo just make good faces to you in order to earn their money and get out of this place, or they are just scared, but still happy to pull a dollar from the int.orgazisations. For sure, there are some lefty "hippie girls and - boys", but minority, who are just naive and hope that one day you turn into ethinc group free of clan-based and supremacist "Illyrian " past - personally I doubt it will happen this century. And now - albanians. shoo as u can, that I am a Serb in disguise, or russian or just pro-Serb paid extremist...LOL
jesus, ...I am pulling a K-albanians leg, and he´s not even realizing it!
my dear k-albanian friend... =) you wouldn´t take notice of irony even if it were written in bold letters, would you?
well, let´s better not start about illiteracy, my k-albanian friend, you know why, at least I hope so.
but what was the the best part of your comment, ...when you referred to the Albanians as being something unique, just as if you wanted to enjoy yourself in reiterating the laughable wishful thinking of many K-albanians that they are the descendants of the Illyrians. in your dreams, my friend, in your dreams. by clinging to outdated theories of the socalled german romaticism, you are just making my day.
everytime an Albanian is speaking about uniqueness and illyrian descent, ...the only uniqueness I can see is the really total ignorance for historical facts!
oh and what is also one of my faves, the oh-so-often cited phrase that "Albanianism is the religion of Albanians", most likely many of those K-albanians who are writing this do not even know Pashko Vasa, but never mind. =)
this "proud" display of ignorance towards religion is only one further indication that culture ( religion = culture ) has left you untouched down there in the mountains of Albania.
all your dreams will come to and end, my dear k-albanian friend. it is just a question of time.
"Albanians" are mentioned in Byzantine chronicles for the first time in 1043, over 400 years after the Illyrians have been mentioned for the last time.
"Albanians" are mentioned by the Serbian emperor Dushan, and he calls them "the simple, illiterate Arbanasi". He made it illegal for Serbs and Greeks to marry Albanians, as can be read in his code (zakonik).
The Albanians are not descended from Illyrians, and that claim can be refuted in several ways.
- First of all, there is absolutely no proof, historic, linguistic or archaeological, that they are descended from Illyrians. The Illyrian origin of the Albanians was first suggested by Austria-Hungary, and for purely political reasons and one more tactic used in the Germanic expansion in the Balkans. The southern Slavs considered themselves descendants of Illyrians prior to WWI (Ilirski pokret), and the Austro-Hungarian empire wanted to preserve its Slavic provinces by convincing Slavs that they are not Illyrians, that some other peopl are Illyrians.
- The Illyrian language was centum (as is evident by the Messapian fragments), but the Albanian language is satem.
- Modern Greeks can (at least partially) understand ancient Greek. Italians can understand Latin. Slavs can understand old church Slavonic. shiptars, however, Albanians cannot speak or understand Illyrian (the entire argument is based on a few known illyrian words/toponyms).
- All old toponyms in Albania are either Slavic (Serbian) or Greek. The few Albanian toponyms in Albania sound very much like certain toponyms in the Caucasus region.
- There is no evidence of any ancient Greek or Latin borrowings in the albanian language, suggesting that they were not in contact with these ancient civilizations, which is an impossibility considering their location.
- The Illyrians were well known seafarers and fishermen, yet ALL words related to the sea in the alb language are borrowed either from Slavic or from (modern) Greek.
have always said that albanians are not capable of running a society. Look at Albania! Strange that this "illyrian culture", dating back 7 gazillian years, has still not created a functional society.
Kosovo has become Americas new Guantanamo bay.
(MikeC, 8 April 2011 20:23)
It will come the day when Americans will not be welcomed any more to create politics in Kosovo and choose president. Just wait and see.
Regarding Guantanamo Bay, US had a plan back in 1999 during the war in Kosovo, to provide temporary accommodation to 20,000 Kosovar Albanians at Guantanamo Bay. The reason why Guantanamo Bay was chosen, because it was on foreign soil, and therefore Albanians would not be able to claim asylum or enter the United States.
Just two years later in 2001, US choose Guantanamo bay as prison for "illegal combatants".
can any albanian here show one albanian source from prior to the 19th century that claims you were "illyrian"? you can search all you want and never find one, that shows how valid your claim is.
Nothing changes in Albanian nation... Rulers of Albanians were always nominated by foreign powers. First prince of first Albanian statehood, Wilhelm Wied, was appointed by Austria and Germany. But, to be honest for him - he was an clever man and escaped from Albania when he saw what the country is. Albanians' rulers were always puppets of Istanbul, Vienna, Rome, Berlin, Moscow and now of Washington.
Hey bishop, have you voted your life to the study of the albanian language and history? And if it was that albanians are originating from the Caucasus, what does it change to you? What do you propose? Which is your bright solution?
P.S. Linguistics and history are a serious thing, you'd better let it to the professionals. The same goes to my albanian fellows here.
well, my dear k-albanian friend, count of disneyland, ...you say the US of A got Serbia and the serbian nation in their back-pocket? =)
well, let me put it this way: that´s something the Axis-powers also thought, when they believed Yugoslavia to be their ally.
history, is probably not your best asset. but that doesn´t matter actually, you will learn the differences between Serbs and Albanians in the last few centuries some day. and, I´ll tell you something... taken away the nonsense about being illyrians and unique, there is not much left you can brag about.
since you seem to have a weakness for nobility-titles... just a question: you´ve already realized that the times of the nobility are over for a longer period of time, have you?
Wasn't it the USA that created the conditions for removing Milosevic from power. And, who do you think made Tadic president of Serbia, it was your secret friend the CIA. The CIA has Serbia and the Serb people in its back pocket, surely you know that. It's such a shame that you, Jovan, are resisting that which will be very good for the Serb people, but the USA will prevail, they always do.
(The Count of Kosova, 10 April 2011 02:15)
Well if that’s the case why after 12 years of so called Kosovo independence hasn’t Serbia recognized it? The only people in the back pocket are the Albanians because they would starve to death without handouts. Look at your US in Libya and then you might understand how it’s going in this world ha, ha, ha. It should be called the United States of Imbeciles for starting something that will bankrupt them even quicker than the other two wars they are waging.
The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR".
Taken together with the Shqiptar-Albanian toponyms on the territory of the former Caucasian Albania, the etymology of "Shqipatr" becomes evident. Albanians are the only nation in South-East Europe which celebrates traditional Iranian feast Nowruz celebrated by the peoples from the Caucus region...
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