Teams report "progress" in Kosovo meetings

They didn't break off talks even when Tadic declared we'd never accept the UDI, meaning that we all know what these talks are really about. We Serbs came back from the dead to reclaim what's always been ours. And I don't just mean KiM.
(highduke, 29 March 2011 14:26)
Neither did they call off the talks when Kosovo said that independence could not be called into question and it was backed up by the US and all the key European players.
And we all know that the negotiations is to find some kind of face saving way that Serbia can sell the permanent amputation of Kosovo.
Saying that Serbia will never accept UDI leaves the door open to Serbia to "grant" independence.

They didn't break off talks even when Tadic declared we'd never accept the UDI, meaning that we all know what these talks are really about. We Serbs came back from the dead to reclaim what's always been ours. And I don't just mean KiM.

This clown said the last time that some issues would be "CLOSED" by this meeting now it's under the status of "PROGRESS".



Thanks,

'Stefanović said the Serbian team had perhaps expected greater understanding from the other side on reconciling positions on some issues, such as Kosovo customs stamps and telecommunications, but remarked that this was not to say that "we won't reach an agreement at one of the next meetings." '

The "other side" is not lying down and playing dead as you had hoped?

To the Albanians that answer the question honestly “How is Kosovo going to survive on its own? What industries are the Albanians planning to bring to Kosovo to increase standards of living?” will provide the answer to where these talks are heading.
If the answer is “yes, we can be self sustaining through near full employment with development of manufacturing and finance sectors” then you do have independence. Any other answer that also entails an independent Kosovo is utter nonsense. Croatia has big problems attracting industry, but if the Albanians have something more to offer then good luck.
What do the Albanians have to put to offer on this table? The technical issues are minor stuff, but what aces have they up their sleeves. I can tell you the answer is nothing but 2 million mouths to feed.

To the Albanians that answer the question honestly “How is Kosovo going to survive on its own? What industries are the Albanians planning to bring to Kosovo to increase standards of living?” will provide the answer to where these talks are heading.
If the answer is “yes, we can be self sustaining through near full employment with development of manufacturing and finance sectors” then you do have independence. Any other answer that also entails an independent Kosovo is utter nonsense. Croatia has big problems attracting industry, but if the Albanians have something more to offer then good luck.
What do the Albanians have to put to offer on this table? The technical issues are minor stuff, but what aces have they up their sleeves. I can tell you the answer is nothing but 2 million mouths to feed.
(sj, 30 March 2011 08:53
Ever notice that alot on here need to belittle Albanians in order to feel better about themselves??
1. The independence of Kosovo is a supervised independence which Kosovo agreed to in order to maintain the political support of the west. The key is indpendent of Serbia, of course that actually happened when the UN cut the cord in 1999.
2. After you destroyed the infrastructure, closed the factories and annilated the education system during the 90's followed by the inept management of UNMIK following 1999, it is going to take years for Kosovo to come anywhere close to economically independent from the west.
3. Most investors are still leery because of uncertainty in Kosovo. They know that should Serbia ever regain control that all their assets would be liquidated by the state and their investment would be worthless as Serbia insured that prosperity never entered the boundaries of Kosovo.
4. Look at where Serbia is today without all the disadvantages of Kosovo, as you yourself prove the only ones economically successful are those who have left the homeland.

The really big question of the day is what could Serbia possibly bring to the table to offer Kosovo that they do not already have other than to agree to stop any claims on Kosovo???
Focus on the north, that is your only chance of achieving the goal as Jeremic and Tadic have listed where neither side gets everything and while the other side loses everything.

(pss, 30 March 2011 14:22)


How you read into my question on Kosovo surviving on its own or what industries are the Albanians planning to bring to Kosovo to increase standards of living? as belittling is well beyond me. We all live in the 21 century where communism no longer exists and the free market is the only one in operation. According free market rules there are no free lunches – everything has a price attached to it.

Pre 1999 Kosovo never had that level of infrastructure to worry about anyway and as to the factories being taken away; that is true, but why should the Serbs who paid for these factories leave them to the Albanians? Kosovo was and will continue to be a money pit.

Let me repeat what Jadranka Kosor stated when asked why the Croatian government had not made more effort to attract investment – foreign investors will not move to Croatia because they are a small market and the return on investment money is marginal. Now if Croatia has a problem with outside investment, and I can tell you where I would rather live when it came to choosing the Dalmatian coast or Prisitna, then how the hell do you Albanians think your going to achieve something that Zagreb cannot?

The Asian banks issue a listing of countries and their future economic performance. They list Serbia having a GDP of well over 150 by 2015 and by 2020 it will be it will be somewhere in the order of 300 plus. Over here they don’t pay any attention to rating agencies like Standard and Poor’s because they have established their own following the toxic loans debacle where these western agencies gave the loans AAA ratings.

Attention is being drawn to that part of the Balkans for investment plus a few other countries in eastern Europe. Kosovo’s ranking on a scale of 100 is -5.

Let me repeat the rules of a free market, if you can survive on your own then your OK, but if you live off handouts then in times of tight fiscal years you are in trouble. We now live according to those rules where only the strong survive.

Tadic and Jeremnic have only being repeating the same old mantra of more than autonomy but less than independence. Nothing more and nothing less.

Pre 1999 Kosovo never had that level of infrastructure to worry about anyway and as to the factories being taken away; that is true, but why should the Serbs who paid for these factories leave them to the Albanians? Kosovo was and will continue to be a money pit.
sj
Pre 1999 yes but pre 1990 when Milosevic started his crusade, Kosovo had infrastructure. Pristina University had an enrollment of 27000+ in 1999 a few hundred. Albanian schools were closed and teachers who were brave enough to attempt to teach these kids in their homes were subject to arrests, beatings, murder.
You belittle Kosovo because in 3 years they have not been able to build to the level of Serbia out of the ruins of 20 years of destruction.
You say Serbia had a right to close the factories, why? were they not profitable? These were Kosovo factories closed before UN stripped Serbia of control, they were not being left to the Albanians. They were closed in order to force the Albanians out!
Serbia has a potentially good future I will grant you that (if they can focus on Serbia and not keep spending their energy on a lost cause-Kosovo). But where Serbia is today without the 10 years of persecution and destruction followed by 10 years of disorganized international control is not impressive at all. After all have you not said many times you have achieved financial success outside of Serbia, why not in??
You see Serbians as superior to Albanians in every aspect, and you show that in every post (whether intentional or not). I see the Serbian and Albanian people as equal. My comments are not to tear down Serbia and its people but an attempt to show there is very little difference only a difference in opportunity, thus far.

They didn't break off talks even when Tadic declared we'd never accept the UDI, meaning that we all know what these talks are really about. We Serbs came back from the dead to reclaim what's always been ours. And I don't just mean KiM.

This clown said the last time that some issues would be "CLOSED" by this meeting now it's under the status of "PROGRESS".



Thanks,

They didn't break off talks even when Tadic declared we'd never accept the UDI, meaning that we all know what these talks are really about. We Serbs came back from the dead to reclaim what's always been ours. And I don't just mean KiM.
(highduke, 29 March 2011 14:26)
Neither did they call off the talks when Kosovo said that independence could not be called into question and it was backed up by the US and all the key European players.
And we all know that the negotiations is to find some kind of face saving way that Serbia can sell the permanent amputation of Kosovo.
Saying that Serbia will never accept UDI leaves the door open to Serbia to "grant" independence.

'Stefanović said the Serbian team had perhaps expected greater understanding from the other side on reconciling positions on some issues, such as Kosovo customs stamps and telecommunications, but remarked that this was not to say that "we won't reach an agreement at one of the next meetings." '

The "other side" is not lying down and playing dead as you had hoped?

To the Albanians that answer the question honestly “How is Kosovo going to survive on its own? What industries are the Albanians planning to bring to Kosovo to increase standards of living?” will provide the answer to where these talks are heading.
If the answer is “yes, we can be self sustaining through near full employment with development of manufacturing and finance sectors” then you do have independence. Any other answer that also entails an independent Kosovo is utter nonsense. Croatia has big problems attracting industry, but if the Albanians have something more to offer then good luck.
What do the Albanians have to put to offer on this table? The technical issues are minor stuff, but what aces have they up their sleeves. I can tell you the answer is nothing but 2 million mouths to feed.

To the Albanians that answer the question honestly “How is Kosovo going to survive on its own? What industries are the Albanians planning to bring to Kosovo to increase standards of living?” will provide the answer to where these talks are heading.
If the answer is “yes, we can be self sustaining through near full employment with development of manufacturing and finance sectors” then you do have independence. Any other answer that also entails an independent Kosovo is utter nonsense. Croatia has big problems attracting industry, but if the Albanians have something more to offer then good luck.
What do the Albanians have to put to offer on this table? The technical issues are minor stuff, but what aces have they up their sleeves. I can tell you the answer is nothing but 2 million mouths to feed.
(sj, 30 March 2011 08:53
Ever notice that alot on here need to belittle Albanians in order to feel better about themselves??
1. The independence of Kosovo is a supervised independence which Kosovo agreed to in order to maintain the political support of the west. The key is indpendent of Serbia, of course that actually happened when the UN cut the cord in 1999.
2. After you destroyed the infrastructure, closed the factories and annilated the education system during the 90's followed by the inept management of UNMIK following 1999, it is going to take years for Kosovo to come anywhere close to economically independent from the west.
3. Most investors are still leery because of uncertainty in Kosovo. They know that should Serbia ever regain control that all their assets would be liquidated by the state and their investment would be worthless as Serbia insured that prosperity never entered the boundaries of Kosovo.
4. Look at where Serbia is today without all the disadvantages of Kosovo, as you yourself prove the only ones economically successful are those who have left the homeland.

The really big question of the day is what could Serbia possibly bring to the table to offer Kosovo that they do not already have other than to agree to stop any claims on Kosovo???
Focus on the north, that is your only chance of achieving the goal as Jeremic and Tadic have listed where neither side gets everything and while the other side loses everything.

(pss, 30 March 2011 14:22)


How you read into my question on Kosovo surviving on its own or what industries are the Albanians planning to bring to Kosovo to increase standards of living? as belittling is well beyond me. We all live in the 21 century where communism no longer exists and the free market is the only one in operation. According free market rules there are no free lunches – everything has a price attached to it.

Pre 1999 Kosovo never had that level of infrastructure to worry about anyway and as to the factories being taken away; that is true, but why should the Serbs who paid for these factories leave them to the Albanians? Kosovo was and will continue to be a money pit.

Let me repeat what Jadranka Kosor stated when asked why the Croatian government had not made more effort to attract investment – foreign investors will not move to Croatia because they are a small market and the return on investment money is marginal. Now if Croatia has a problem with outside investment, and I can tell you where I would rather live when it came to choosing the Dalmatian coast or Prisitna, then how the hell do you Albanians think your going to achieve something that Zagreb cannot?

The Asian banks issue a listing of countries and their future economic performance. They list Serbia having a GDP of well over 150 by 2015 and by 2020 it will be it will be somewhere in the order of 300 plus. Over here they don’t pay any attention to rating agencies like Standard and Poor’s because they have established their own following the toxic loans debacle where these western agencies gave the loans AAA ratings.

Attention is being drawn to that part of the Balkans for investment plus a few other countries in eastern Europe. Kosovo’s ranking on a scale of 100 is -5.

Let me repeat the rules of a free market, if you can survive on your own then your OK, but if you live off handouts then in times of tight fiscal years you are in trouble. We now live according to those rules where only the strong survive.

Tadic and Jeremnic have only being repeating the same old mantra of more than autonomy but less than independence. Nothing more and nothing less.

Pre 1999 Kosovo never had that level of infrastructure to worry about anyway and as to the factories being taken away; that is true, but why should the Serbs who paid for these factories leave them to the Albanians? Kosovo was and will continue to be a money pit.
sj
Pre 1999 yes but pre 1990 when Milosevic started his crusade, Kosovo had infrastructure. Pristina University had an enrollment of 27000+ in 1999 a few hundred. Albanian schools were closed and teachers who were brave enough to attempt to teach these kids in their homes were subject to arrests, beatings, murder.
You belittle Kosovo because in 3 years they have not been able to build to the level of Serbia out of the ruins of 20 years of destruction.
You say Serbia had a right to close the factories, why? were they not profitable? These were Kosovo factories closed before UN stripped Serbia of control, they were not being left to the Albanians. They were closed in order to force the Albanians out!
Serbia has a potentially good future I will grant you that (if they can focus on Serbia and not keep spending their energy on a lost cause-Kosovo). But where Serbia is today without the 10 years of persecution and destruction followed by 10 years of disorganized international control is not impressive at all. After all have you not said many times you have achieved financial success outside of Serbia, why not in??
You see Serbians as superior to Albanians in every aspect, and you show that in every post (whether intentional or not). I see the Serbian and Albanian people as equal. My comments are not to tear down Serbia and its people but an attempt to show there is very little difference only a difference in opportunity, thus far.