"CoE mulling sanctions against Bosnia"

Let's get the show on the road and finally split Bosnia; it's so easy.

Croatia and Serbia both gets their parts.

The remainder can stay homegeneous with Bosniaks.

Europe is far better off with less countries and new found languages. As a matter of fact, Montenegro should return to Serbia as they speak Serbian.

How can a country like Montenegro with a population of 600,000 people even be called a country?

Does anyone here find it strange that Montenegro was allowed to separate from Yugoslavia?

Aren't Milosevic and Karadzic both Montengrins?

Today, Serbia is being held accountable for the actions of Montenegrins.

Time to cut out all the BS and release Serbia for all of the wrong doings of

Croatia's Stephen Mesic
Bosnia's Ratko Mladic
Montenegro's Milosevic and Karadzic

It seems that the true perpetrators of the Yugoslavian civil war weren't Serbs, yet Serbia receives all of the blame.

Before imposing any “sanctions” on Bosnia, the CoE should focus on the situation in Belgium where they have been unable to form a government for 12 months.

I have no knowledge of Belgium other than that I see on the mainstream media, but if they are to be believed, the French and Dutch Belgians hate each other much more than the ex-Yugos ever did.

I can’t wait to see NATO’s Brussels HQ burning in the middle of a Belgian civil war.

Let's get the show on the road and finally split Bosnia; it's so easy.

Croatia and Serbia both gets their parts.
The remainder can stay homegeneous with Bosniaks.
(Another Canadian Serb, 25 March 2011 11:25)
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The Croatians don't even have an entity but you would give them one and independence/union at the same time? Personally, I think it is too much. I would grant Croatians an entity in exchange for a Serbian entity in Croatia. If the Croatian entity in BiH wants to detach then so should the Serbian entity in Croatia. What I would expect then is for the Croatians to go their own way while the rest forms a union with Serbia, including the Bosnian Muslims. They are obviously not capable of running the show and this would return the situation to normal.

Hi Zoran!

I see where you are going with your views.

However, i believe that Croaions, Bosniaks and Serbians should never again intermingle and cohabitate ever again.

Remember that history will repeat itself.

Had Serbia set the borders after World War I, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

Agrim...seems that not enough trigger were actually pulled, as many terrorists escaped. not to worry, time will tell.

It seems that the true perpetrators of the Yugoslavian civil war weren't Serbs, yet Serbia receives all of the blame.
(Another Canadian Serb, 25 March 2011 11:25)

Actually all those that pulled the trigger, were Serbs.

However, i believe that Croaions, Bosniaks and Serbians should never again intermingle and cohabitate ever again.
(Another Canadian Serb, 25 March 2011 13:12)
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I agree on the Croatian part and they belong in the West but somehow I think there is still hope with us and the Muslims, so long as radical Islam is kept out of the region. We have always run the show for them and they seem incapable of running things on their own so I'd rather they integrate with us than to create a neighbouring Muslim entity with potential for radical Islam to abuse.

I would go as far as saying they are Serbian converts. Genetic studies have shown that we are basically the one and same people.

“Today, Serbia is being held accountable for the actions of Montenegrins.” - Another Canadian Serb

You can’t be serious. By now I’ve read a thousand posts on here going on and on about how Montenegrins are Serbs, and you yourself have made the point that Montenegro should be reunified with Serbia. And by the way, how many Serbs from Serbia proper can point to Montenegrin lineage? Just about every Serb I’ve ever met has Montenegrin ancestry.

It must be nice to alternatively own/disown Montenegrins as ethnic kin whenever it suits.

“I would go as far as saying they are Serbian converts. Genetic studies have shown that we are basically the one and same people.” - Zoran

I would bet there a lot of Croats who would make the same claim about Muslims. I’d also bet that you’d get similar results from genetic studies when comparing those two “ethnicities”. Gee, could that be because there’s not much ethnic difference between Serbs and Croats?

Nenad!

On the contrary!

It is the USA and the EU that regards Montenegrins as Serbs, but only when it has to deal with war crimes.

Otherwise, how else can you explain the dismemberment of Montenegro from Serbia.

All the while Montenegro has been allowed to flourish and prosper economically, while Serbia takes a backseat and is repremanded.

Tell me something Nenad.

Why is it the EU and the US have a problem allowing Serbia aligning itself with other Serbians in neighbouring territories?

Serbians are considered a minority in every neighbouring country. Those Serbians could easily be reunited by joining Serbia.

So what's the problem!

“I would go as far as saying they are Serbian converts. Genetic studies have shown that we are basically the one and same people.” - Zoran

When did those studies occur Zoran, before or after Srebrenica? Did anybody tell Mladic about the haplogroups? Were the snipers surrounding Sarajevo informed that they were shooting to Serb genetic material and not to Ottoman Turks?

I would bet there a lot of Croats who would make the same claim about Muslims. I’d also bet that you’d get similar results from genetic studies when comparing those two “ethnicities”. Gee, could that be because there’s not much ethnic difference between Serbs and Croats?
(Nenad, 25 March 2011 17:38)
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I can only repeat what I have read. You may have some links showing otherwise?

"Principal component analysis of Y-chromosomal haplogroup frequencies among the three ethnic groups in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbs, Croats, and Bosniacs, showed that Serbs and Bosniacs are genetically closer to each other than either of them is to Croats."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Serbs#Genetics

Actually all those that pulled the trigger, were Serbs.
(Agim Kelmendi, 25 March 2011 13:27)

Really? It doesn't matter how often you repeat BS, it is still BS:

B92: Archives "hide truth about Yugoslav wars"

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=06&dd=07&nav_id=59673

ACS,

Are you certain that only Americans and EU citizens regard Montenegrins as Serbs? Would Milosevic have referred to himself as a Montenegrin? I know for a fact that Karadzic considers himself a Bosnian Serb, having moved to Sarajevo at the age of 15 (he said as much in an interview once).

I can only guess why Montenegro decided to leave FRY, but something tells me that Milo Djukanovic would rather rule his own little kingdom than answer to Belgrade.

Perhaps we can save the debate for Western opposition to Serbian unity for another day.

Pozdrav!

Zoran,

The link you provide seems inconclusive. For instance, might the sample have been concentrated in Eastern Hercegovina? I would imagine Muslims in Trebinje or Gorazde would appear more "Serbian" in general than those from Bihac, for instance. Also, what degree of difference are we talking about when comparing the genetic similarity of Muslims to Croats on the one hand and Serbs on the other?

Generally speaking, I think this link generates more questions rather than providing any real answers. We see "northern" and "western" Croats being placed into two separate Slavic classifications -- Dalmatian Croats are, according to this article, more closely related to Serbs than they are to their compatriots up in Zagreb. Montenegrin Serbs don't even get a mention. What do their chromosomes look like? And why do many Serbs and Albanians share the second most common marker?

You asked for a link supporting my position, which I've added below. It's probably no more plausible than the one you gave me, but it's a typical example of the kind of commentary I've come across on numerous occasions over the years.

bosniaandgenocide.tripod.com/id1.html

Your all being pathetic.

I am a Bosnian Catholic.
My father is a Croatian.
My mother is a Muslim.
My girlfriend is a Macedonian.
My best friend is a Serb.
My electrician is a Slovenian.
My accountant is a Montenegrin.
My cleaner is a Albanian.

Just kidding about the last one, but stop arguing, we are all one.

Racism and arguments help no one.

A hand and reaching out helps everyone.

During Tito's reign, we were arguably one of the strongest economical and financial nations in Europe.

All our athetic and sports teams were told of the world, apart from Disabled Volleyball.

What now?

We are all useless at most things.

And we all have good disabled volleyball teams.

Pfft, Yugoslavia any day for me.

Nenad-you left us.

Aleks,

You've been quite strident of late about the ugly truth of the Slovene war, and I urge you to set the record straight. Start with Wikipedia, where much of the world goes for quick information on events such as these. As I recently pointed out to you, the version of events currently stored there differs rather dramatically from the one you're trying to bring to light.

One other thing: look at the comments posted at the time B92 ran this article. A very good question has been raised: why is the MoD choosing to wait 50 years to tell the story of what really happened? Why not provide the evidence necessary to vigorously defend JNA officers wrongly accused of war crimes? Why let innocent soldiers suffer from grave injustice in the interest of adhering to official doctrine regarding classified information? Why not provide evidence to be argued by cleared military lawyers in closed session?

Why is there a threat of sanctions and what is the difference between Belgium and BiH? Belgium is self sustaining unlike BiH. Even for those who had blinkers on it is now evident that BiH is a dysfunctional state that only exists due to EU funding.
(Sandro, 26 March 2011 18:20)
No, we are not one and never will be again no matter how much the west tries to enforce its policies of brotherly love. Serbs will never be the glue to keep the other two together. BiH is finished as a state and its times like this that lays bare the truth about this abortion of a country.

It seems that the true perpetrators of the Yugoslavian civil war weren't Serbs, yet Serbia receives all of the blame.
(Another Canadian Serb, 25 March 2011 11:25)

Actually all those that pulled the trigger, were Serbs.

Let's get the show on the road and finally split Bosnia; it's so easy.

Croatia and Serbia both gets their parts.

The remainder can stay homegeneous with Bosniaks.

Europe is far better off with less countries and new found languages. As a matter of fact, Montenegro should return to Serbia as they speak Serbian.

How can a country like Montenegro with a population of 600,000 people even be called a country?

Does anyone here find it strange that Montenegro was allowed to separate from Yugoslavia?

Aren't Milosevic and Karadzic both Montengrins?

Today, Serbia is being held accountable for the actions of Montenegrins.

Time to cut out all the BS and release Serbia for all of the wrong doings of

Croatia's Stephen Mesic
Bosnia's Ratko Mladic
Montenegro's Milosevic and Karadzic

It seems that the true perpetrators of the Yugoslavian civil war weren't Serbs, yet Serbia receives all of the blame.

Let's get the show on the road and finally split Bosnia; it's so easy.

Croatia and Serbia both gets their parts.
The remainder can stay homegeneous with Bosniaks.
(Another Canadian Serb, 25 March 2011 11:25)
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The Croatians don't even have an entity but you would give them one and independence/union at the same time? Personally, I think it is too much. I would grant Croatians an entity in exchange for a Serbian entity in Croatia. If the Croatian entity in BiH wants to detach then so should the Serbian entity in Croatia. What I would expect then is for the Croatians to go their own way while the rest forms a union with Serbia, including the Bosnian Muslims. They are obviously not capable of running the show and this would return the situation to normal.

“I would go as far as saying they are Serbian converts. Genetic studies have shown that we are basically the one and same people.” - Zoran

I would bet there a lot of Croats who would make the same claim about Muslims. I’d also bet that you’d get similar results from genetic studies when comparing those two “ethnicities”. Gee, could that be because there’s not much ethnic difference between Serbs and Croats?

Before imposing any “sanctions” on Bosnia, the CoE should focus on the situation in Belgium where they have been unable to form a government for 12 months.

I have no knowledge of Belgium other than that I see on the mainstream media, but if they are to be believed, the French and Dutch Belgians hate each other much more than the ex-Yugos ever did.

I can’t wait to see NATO’s Brussels HQ burning in the middle of a Belgian civil war.

However, i believe that Croaions, Bosniaks and Serbians should never again intermingle and cohabitate ever again.
(Another Canadian Serb, 25 March 2011 13:12)
--
I agree on the Croatian part and they belong in the West but somehow I think there is still hope with us and the Muslims, so long as radical Islam is kept out of the region. We have always run the show for them and they seem incapable of running things on their own so I'd rather they integrate with us than to create a neighbouring Muslim entity with potential for radical Islam to abuse.

I would go as far as saying they are Serbian converts. Genetic studies have shown that we are basically the one and same people.

“Today, Serbia is being held accountable for the actions of Montenegrins.” - Another Canadian Serb

You can’t be serious. By now I’ve read a thousand posts on here going on and on about how Montenegrins are Serbs, and you yourself have made the point that Montenegro should be reunified with Serbia. And by the way, how many Serbs from Serbia proper can point to Montenegrin lineage? Just about every Serb I’ve ever met has Montenegrin ancestry.

It must be nice to alternatively own/disown Montenegrins as ethnic kin whenever it suits.

“I would go as far as saying they are Serbian converts. Genetic studies have shown that we are basically the one and same people.” - Zoran

When did those studies occur Zoran, before or after Srebrenica? Did anybody tell Mladic about the haplogroups? Were the snipers surrounding Sarajevo informed that they were shooting to Serb genetic material and not to Ottoman Turks?

Hi Zoran!

I see where you are going with your views.

However, i believe that Croaions, Bosniaks and Serbians should never again intermingle and cohabitate ever again.

Remember that history will repeat itself.

Had Serbia set the borders after World War I, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

Nenad!

On the contrary!

It is the USA and the EU that regards Montenegrins as Serbs, but only when it has to deal with war crimes.

Otherwise, how else can you explain the dismemberment of Montenegro from Serbia.

All the while Montenegro has been allowed to flourish and prosper economically, while Serbia takes a backseat and is repremanded.

Tell me something Nenad.

Why is it the EU and the US have a problem allowing Serbia aligning itself with other Serbians in neighbouring territories?

Serbians are considered a minority in every neighbouring country. Those Serbians could easily be reunited by joining Serbia.

So what's the problem!

Agrim...seems that not enough trigger were actually pulled, as many terrorists escaped. not to worry, time will tell.

I would bet there a lot of Croats who would make the same claim about Muslims. I’d also bet that you’d get similar results from genetic studies when comparing those two “ethnicities”. Gee, could that be because there’s not much ethnic difference between Serbs and Croats?
(Nenad, 25 March 2011 17:38)
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I can only repeat what I have read. You may have some links showing otherwise?

"Principal component analysis of Y-chromosomal haplogroup frequencies among the three ethnic groups in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbs, Croats, and Bosniacs, showed that Serbs and Bosniacs are genetically closer to each other than either of them is to Croats."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Serbs#Genetics

Zoran,

The link you provide seems inconclusive. For instance, might the sample have been concentrated in Eastern Hercegovina? I would imagine Muslims in Trebinje or Gorazde would appear more "Serbian" in general than those from Bihac, for instance. Also, what degree of difference are we talking about when comparing the genetic similarity of Muslims to Croats on the one hand and Serbs on the other?

Generally speaking, I think this link generates more questions rather than providing any real answers. We see "northern" and "western" Croats being placed into two separate Slavic classifications -- Dalmatian Croats are, according to this article, more closely related to Serbs than they are to their compatriots up in Zagreb. Montenegrin Serbs don't even get a mention. What do their chromosomes look like? And why do many Serbs and Albanians share the second most common marker?

You asked for a link supporting my position, which I've added below. It's probably no more plausible than the one you gave me, but it's a typical example of the kind of commentary I've come across on numerous occasions over the years.

bosniaandgenocide.tripod.com/id1.html

Your all being pathetic.

I am a Bosnian Catholic.
My father is a Croatian.
My mother is a Muslim.
My girlfriend is a Macedonian.
My best friend is a Serb.
My electrician is a Slovenian.
My accountant is a Montenegrin.
My cleaner is a Albanian.

Just kidding about the last one, but stop arguing, we are all one.

Racism and arguments help no one.

A hand and reaching out helps everyone.

During Tito's reign, we were arguably one of the strongest economical and financial nations in Europe.

All our athetic and sports teams were told of the world, apart from Disabled Volleyball.

What now?

We are all useless at most things.

And we all have good disabled volleyball teams.

Pfft, Yugoslavia any day for me.

Why is there a threat of sanctions and what is the difference between Belgium and BiH? Belgium is self sustaining unlike BiH. Even for those who had blinkers on it is now evident that BiH is a dysfunctional state that only exists due to EU funding.
(Sandro, 26 March 2011 18:20)
No, we are not one and never will be again no matter how much the west tries to enforce its policies of brotherly love. Serbs will never be the glue to keep the other two together. BiH is finished as a state and its times like this that lays bare the truth about this abortion of a country.

Actually all those that pulled the trigger, were Serbs.
(Agim Kelmendi, 25 March 2011 13:27)

Really? It doesn't matter how often you repeat BS, it is still BS:

B92: Archives "hide truth about Yugoslav wars"

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=06&dd=07&nav_id=59673

ACS,

Are you certain that only Americans and EU citizens regard Montenegrins as Serbs? Would Milosevic have referred to himself as a Montenegrin? I know for a fact that Karadzic considers himself a Bosnian Serb, having moved to Sarajevo at the age of 15 (he said as much in an interview once).

I can only guess why Montenegro decided to leave FRY, but something tells me that Milo Djukanovic would rather rule his own little kingdom than answer to Belgrade.

Perhaps we can save the debate for Western opposition to Serbian unity for another day.

Pozdrav!

Nenad-you left us.

Aleks,

You've been quite strident of late about the ugly truth of the Slovene war, and I urge you to set the record straight. Start with Wikipedia, where much of the world goes for quick information on events such as these. As I recently pointed out to you, the version of events currently stored there differs rather dramatically from the one you're trying to bring to light.

One other thing: look at the comments posted at the time B92 ran this article. A very good question has been raised: why is the MoD choosing to wait 50 years to tell the story of what really happened? Why not provide the evidence necessary to vigorously defend JNA officers wrongly accused of war crimes? Why let innocent soldiers suffer from grave injustice in the interest of adhering to official doctrine regarding classified information? Why not provide evidence to be argued by cleared military lawyers in closed session?