FM: Russia will advocate Kosovo probe

"Mr Fatmir Lima killed/ordered two army officers. What's wrong with that?"
(FREEDOM, 24 March 2011 12:58)

Probably nothing wrong for Kosovarians and their mentality, but it violates all human right conventions about how to treat POWs, and that's what makes it a war crime. Simple.

Russia along with Serbia want a UN probe into the alleged organ harvesting for political purposes, not for social and humanitarian reasons. They're trying to use the alleged deaths of potential victims for their own political gains. I think it is disguising that they're exploiting allegedly murdered people for political purposes.
(Ian, UK, 24 March 2011 11:47)

Do you really believe the stuff you write? Or do you get paid for it? As if there is no porn industry in the UK; perhaps you might look into this a little closer and you could be pleasantly surprised by the size of that industry in your back yard.
You think it’s disgusting to hold a probe into the human parts trafficking, why? Because the west does not like it and even the average Anglo Saxon hates due to the numbers involved in drug trafficking and crime. You only have to mention the word Albanian to a pom and watch his or her reaction.

How about a UN probe into the Child pornography industry in Russia?

...oh wait a second, child porn is legal in Russia.

Russia along with Serbia want a UN probe into the alleged organ harvesting for political purposes, not for social and humanitarian reasons. They're trying to use the alleged deaths of potential victims for their own political gains. I think it is disguising that they're exploiting allegedly murdered people for political purposes.

Ian-as you have been doing against the Serbs for 20 years.

I think it is disguising that they're exploiting allegedly murdered people for political purposes.
(Ian, UK, 24 March 2011 11:47)

Whining about dead bodies (ours always, never theirs) and exaggerating their number is the stock in trade of Balkan ethnic politics, as I'd have thought you'd have realised if you'd been on B92 more than twice. Don't you read any Albanian or Bosniak posts then?

Mr Putin can advocate what he want.

He isn't the first one to do so but without success as there is nothing to investigate.

To ease the Serbian mind they have arrested some KLA freedom fighters whereunder Mr Fatmir Lima.

Mr Fatmir Lima killed/ordered two army officers. What's wrong with that? If you wear an army uniform the chance is great that you will be targetted. This is not the same as killing innocent people like you Serbs/Serbia did.

Huge difference.

Tung
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Do you really believe the stuff you write? Or do you get paid for it? As if there is no porn industry in the UK; perhaps you might look into this a little closer and you could be pleasantly surprised by the size of that industry in your back yard.
You think it’s disgusting to hold a probe into the human parts trafficking, why? Because the west does not like it and even the average Anglo Saxon hates due to the numbers involved in drug trafficking and crime. You only have to mention the word Albanian to a pom and watch his or her reaction.
(sj, 24 March 2011 12:41)

I never said there wasn't a porn industry in the UK because there is and I have no problem with it. I was criticising Russia for legalising CHILD porn. Normal porn and child porn... Big difference.

I have no problem with an organ harvesting inquiry, none what so ever. What I disagree with is the motives behind it, aka political reasons. If it was been done for humanitarian reasons I would understand. However Serbia and Russia are going on about these 'alleged' war crimes to attack Kosovo and to enhance their position aka dirty politics.

Also I never said it was "disgusting to hold a probe into the human parts trafficking", I said it was disgusting to use these allegedly murder victims deaths for political gains.

I think it is disguising that they're exploiting allegedly murdered people for political purposes.
(Ian, UK, 24 March 2011 11:47)
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Hmmm, and the UK never exploits murdered people for political purposes? I think we got that on a daily basis from Jamie Shea in the 90s.

What does this article have to do with child porn and why are you spewing your half truths? Here is the real picture -> http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/03/22/Russia-close-second-to-US-in-child-porn/UPI-85401269299341/

I was raising a point about Russia wanting something investigated in Kosovo, when something could be invested at home in Russia first.
(Ian, UK, 24 March 2011 15:20)

So what you're saying is that, so long as a crime, not even necessarily the same crime, exists anywhere in the world, we shouldn't investigate organ trafficking. Have you any idea how pathetic that sounds? Pull yourself together man, you're letting the side down. Better still, start signing yourself Ian - Albania like you secretly want to.

Apologies all, he's really not typical.

@ top

If you find that a crime what about the hundreds of thousends innocent civilians you have killed during this last Balkan world.

Or do you have only sympathy for these 2 army officers who knewn the risque of getting into a war zone.

You are not so Topi!

Tung

So what you're saying is that, so long as a crime, not even necessarily the same crime, exists anywhere in the world, we shouldn't investigate organ trafficking. Have you any idea how pathetic that sounds? Pull yourself together man, you're letting the side down. Better still, start signing yourself Ian - Albania like you secretly want to.

Apologies all, he's really not typical.
(Dave, 24 March 2011 16:07)


No Dave, I'm saying that at all. I wish people wouldn't keep on accusing me of saying stuff, which I aint said! I've already stated that I fully support an investigation into the organ harvesting. If people have committed a crime, then they deserve to be tried and punished. I was just questioning why Russia wants to have it investigated so much aka the political consequences. And why would Russia not want certain issues investigated internally... because of the political consequences.

Also if you're going to pathetically start implying that I'm Albanian, I'm going to start pathetically implying that you're Serbian. That way I'll come down to your low level!

Any you're right, I aint typical. I've got my own individual views on everything. I like to think it makes me unique!

I was raising a point about Russia wanting something investigated in Kosovo, when something could be invested at home in Russia first.
(Ian, UK, 24 March 2011 15:20)
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Do you not think Russia can support an investigation into organ trafficking at the same time as dealing with other local matters? You and other Albanians always talk about unrelated matters in an attempt to distract from the main topic.

As you can see from my link, the US is the top child porn producer so what now? Should I criticise the US for investigating other crimes when it has its own child pornography problems at home? It's kind of absurd isn't it?

If you can't stick to the topic then you obviously feel uncomfortable about it.

"If you find that a crime what about the hundreds of thousends innocent civilians you have killed during this last Balkan world. "
(FREEDOM, 24 March 2011 16:41)

I'm not Thaci and not Krasniqi, nor Mladic or Kardadzic or Milosevic, and no, I didn't kill anyone and didn't order to kill people in my whole life (except some bugs).
Ever heard abour personal responisiblity?

Hmmm, and the UK never exploits murdered people for political purposes? I think we got that on a daily basis from Jamie Shea in the 90s.

What does this article have to do with child porn and why are you spewing your half truths? Here is the real picture -> [link]/
(Zoran, 24 March 2011 14:47)

I never said the UK doesn't exploit murdered people for political purposes, however two wrongs don't make a right.

I was raising a point about Russia wanting something investigated in Kosovo, when something could be invested at home in Russia first.

Or do you have only sympathy for these 2 army officers who knewn the risque of getting into a war zone.
(FREEDOM, 24 March 2011 16:41)
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Why don't you just say what you really mean, as most other KiM Albanians?

In other words, any crime committed against a Serbian is legitimate and should be ignored while any crime a Serbian committed deserves the worst possible punishment. Now that is what you really want to say, right?

Oh Ian, clueless Ian. There is child porn in every country and yes, there is child porn in the UK as well.

So Ian, start telling your politicians in England to clean up their country first and get rid of all child porn, murderers etc before they fly their planes over any country dropping their deadly cargo.

You see, clean up your own country first and then, and only then you have the right to investigate or intervene in another country.
This is what you are basically saying for Russia to do. At least Russia is not flying her planes all over the world dropping bomb. They don't impose their will on anyone.
(Peggy, 25 March 2011 09:22)

Child Porn is legal in Russia unlike the UK. That is what I was saying earlier if you would have actually read my previous relating comments, but no you'd rather jump to conclusions and attack me.

Child Porn is legal in Russia unlike the UK. That is what I was saying earlier if you would have actually read my previous relating comments, but no you'd rather jump to conclusions and attack me.
(Ian, UK, 25 March 2011 10:58)
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Again Ian, tell your politicians to clean up their own country before they interfere with another.
Legal or not, England is just as sick as any other country. Maybe even more so because Albanian mafia seems to have a strong foothold there trafficking women, children, or anyone else they can exploit.
Why is your government not cleaning that up? Why are so many women sex slaves in England?

Clean up your own house before you go and bomb mine.

(Ian, UK)
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The Russians are pushing for this probe because the Serbian officials are not on the front like Russia is.

I find it embarrassing that a foreign nation has to come and "fight" for our rights. Unfortunately this is the case, the Serb officials are useless, and their purpose is to stall time.

think it is disguising that they're exploiting allegedly murdered people for political purposes.
(Ian, UK, 24 March 2011 11:47)

What are you talking about !! Have beeing living in Russia for 6 years and have read people being arrested for child porn, so I would be interested that you share with us the article of the law where it is written. Maybe you are right, but can't believe it until I read it.
Furthermore, if your are for the organ probe, then why do you raise this child porn issue out of context instead of praising the fact that the Russian PM will push to have this finally cleared up one way or the other... maybe you are russophobe ? Am not a fan of Russians but when it comes to horrible crimes, nationality doesn't matter !

Ian wrote:

I never said there wasn't a porn industry in the UK because there is and I have no problem with it. I was criticising Russia for legalising CHILD porn. Normal porn and child porn... Big difference.
====================

Oh Ian, clueless Ian. There is child porn in every country and yes, there is child porn in the UK as well.

So Ian, start telling your politicians in England to clean up their country first and get rid of all child porn, murderers etc before they fly their planes over any country dropping their deadly cargo.

You see, clean up your own country first and then, and only then you have the right to investigate or intervene in another country.
This is what you are basically saying for Russia to do. At least Russia is not flying her planes all over the world dropping bomb. They don't impose their will on anyone.

Child Porn is legal in Russia unlike the UK. That is what I was saying earlier if you would have actually read my previous relating comments, but no you'd rather jump to conclusions and attack me.
(Ian, UK, 25 March 2011 10:58)
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Where exactly did you get that information? BBC? Can you provide some links so we can all verify it?

Where exactly did you get that information? BBC? Can you provide some links so we can all verify it?
(Zoran, 25 March 2011 16:03)

Yes sure.

http://www.russiajournal.com/node/5808
"there is not yet a law on the books in Russia that defines pornography"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2543717.stm
"there are no specific laws on child pornography... The law makes no distinction between pornography involving adults and that involving children"

http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/lawless-russia-a-huge-source-for-child-porn-1.98303

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2001-03-27-porn.htm

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2005-09-30-bad-laws-make-russia-haven-for-child-pornographers

How about a UN probe into the Child pornography industry in Russia?

...oh wait a second, child porn is legal in Russia.

Russia along with Serbia want a UN probe into the alleged organ harvesting for political purposes, not for social and humanitarian reasons. They're trying to use the alleged deaths of potential victims for their own political gains. I think it is disguising that they're exploiting allegedly murdered people for political purposes.

Mr Putin can advocate what he want.

He isn't the first one to do so but without success as there is nothing to investigate.

To ease the Serbian mind they have arrested some KLA freedom fighters whereunder Mr Fatmir Lima.

Mr Fatmir Lima killed/ordered two army officers. What's wrong with that? If you wear an army uniform the chance is great that you will be targetted. This is not the same as killing innocent people like you Serbs/Serbia did.

Huge difference.

Tung
.

Russia along with Serbia want a UN probe into the alleged organ harvesting for political purposes, not for social and humanitarian reasons. They're trying to use the alleged deaths of potential victims for their own political gains. I think it is disguising that they're exploiting allegedly murdered people for political purposes.
(Ian, UK, 24 March 2011 11:47)

Do you really believe the stuff you write? Or do you get paid for it? As if there is no porn industry in the UK; perhaps you might look into this a little closer and you could be pleasantly surprised by the size of that industry in your back yard.
You think it’s disgusting to hold a probe into the human parts trafficking, why? Because the west does not like it and even the average Anglo Saxon hates due to the numbers involved in drug trafficking and crime. You only have to mention the word Albanian to a pom and watch his or her reaction.

Ian-as you have been doing against the Serbs for 20 years.

I think it is disguising that they're exploiting allegedly murdered people for political purposes.
(Ian, UK, 24 March 2011 11:47)

Whining about dead bodies (ours always, never theirs) and exaggerating their number is the stock in trade of Balkan ethnic politics, as I'd have thought you'd have realised if you'd been on B92 more than twice. Don't you read any Albanian or Bosniak posts then?

Do you really believe the stuff you write? Or do you get paid for it? As if there is no porn industry in the UK; perhaps you might look into this a little closer and you could be pleasantly surprised by the size of that industry in your back yard.
You think it’s disgusting to hold a probe into the human parts trafficking, why? Because the west does not like it and even the average Anglo Saxon hates due to the numbers involved in drug trafficking and crime. You only have to mention the word Albanian to a pom and watch his or her reaction.
(sj, 24 March 2011 12:41)

I never said there wasn't a porn industry in the UK because there is and I have no problem with it. I was criticising Russia for legalising CHILD porn. Normal porn and child porn... Big difference.

I have no problem with an organ harvesting inquiry, none what so ever. What I disagree with is the motives behind it, aka political reasons. If it was been done for humanitarian reasons I would understand. However Serbia and Russia are going on about these 'alleged' war crimes to attack Kosovo and to enhance their position aka dirty politics.

Also I never said it was "disgusting to hold a probe into the human parts trafficking", I said it was disgusting to use these allegedly murder victims deaths for political gains.

Hmmm, and the UK never exploits murdered people for political purposes? I think we got that on a daily basis from Jamie Shea in the 90s.

What does this article have to do with child porn and why are you spewing your half truths? Here is the real picture -> [link]/
(Zoran, 24 March 2011 14:47)

I never said the UK doesn't exploit murdered people for political purposes, however two wrongs don't make a right.

I was raising a point about Russia wanting something investigated in Kosovo, when something could be invested at home in Russia first.

"Mr Fatmir Lima killed/ordered two army officers. What's wrong with that?"
(FREEDOM, 24 March 2011 12:58)

Probably nothing wrong for Kosovarians and their mentality, but it violates all human right conventions about how to treat POWs, and that's what makes it a war crime. Simple.

@ top

If you find that a crime what about the hundreds of thousends innocent civilians you have killed during this last Balkan world.

Or do you have only sympathy for these 2 army officers who knewn the risque of getting into a war zone.

You are not so Topi!

Tung

I think it is disguising that they're exploiting allegedly murdered people for political purposes.
(Ian, UK, 24 March 2011 11:47)
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Hmmm, and the UK never exploits murdered people for political purposes? I think we got that on a daily basis from Jamie Shea in the 90s.

What does this article have to do with child porn and why are you spewing your half truths? Here is the real picture -> http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/03/22/Russia-close-second-to-US-in-child-porn/UPI-85401269299341/

I was raising a point about Russia wanting something investigated in Kosovo, when something could be invested at home in Russia first.
(Ian, UK, 24 March 2011 15:20)
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Do you not think Russia can support an investigation into organ trafficking at the same time as dealing with other local matters? You and other Albanians always talk about unrelated matters in an attempt to distract from the main topic.

As you can see from my link, the US is the top child porn producer so what now? Should I criticise the US for investigating other crimes when it has its own child pornography problems at home? It's kind of absurd isn't it?

If you can't stick to the topic then you obviously feel uncomfortable about it.

I was raising a point about Russia wanting something investigated in Kosovo, when something could be invested at home in Russia first.
(Ian, UK, 24 March 2011 15:20)

So what you're saying is that, so long as a crime, not even necessarily the same crime, exists anywhere in the world, we shouldn't investigate organ trafficking. Have you any idea how pathetic that sounds? Pull yourself together man, you're letting the side down. Better still, start signing yourself Ian - Albania like you secretly want to.

Apologies all, he's really not typical.

think it is disguising that they're exploiting allegedly murdered people for political purposes.
(Ian, UK, 24 March 2011 11:47)

What are you talking about !! Have beeing living in Russia for 6 years and have read people being arrested for child porn, so I would be interested that you share with us the article of the law where it is written. Maybe you are right, but can't believe it until I read it.
Furthermore, if your are for the organ probe, then why do you raise this child porn issue out of context instead of praising the fact that the Russian PM will push to have this finally cleared up one way or the other... maybe you are russophobe ? Am not a fan of Russians but when it comes to horrible crimes, nationality doesn't matter !

Child Porn is legal in Russia unlike the UK. That is what I was saying earlier if you would have actually read my previous relating comments, but no you'd rather jump to conclusions and attack me.
(Ian, UK, 25 March 2011 10:58)
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Where exactly did you get that information? BBC? Can you provide some links so we can all verify it?

Or do you have only sympathy for these 2 army officers who knewn the risque of getting into a war zone.
(FREEDOM, 24 March 2011 16:41)
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Why don't you just say what you really mean, as most other KiM Albanians?

In other words, any crime committed against a Serbian is legitimate and should be ignored while any crime a Serbian committed deserves the worst possible punishment. Now that is what you really want to say, right?

"If you find that a crime what about the hundreds of thousends innocent civilians you have killed during this last Balkan world. "
(FREEDOM, 24 March 2011 16:41)

I'm not Thaci and not Krasniqi, nor Mladic or Kardadzic or Milosevic, and no, I didn't kill anyone and didn't order to kill people in my whole life (except some bugs).
Ever heard abour personal responisiblity?

Child Porn is legal in Russia unlike the UK. That is what I was saying earlier if you would have actually read my previous relating comments, but no you'd rather jump to conclusions and attack me.
(Ian, UK, 25 March 2011 10:58)
==============================

Again Ian, tell your politicians to clean up their own country before they interfere with another.
Legal or not, England is just as sick as any other country. Maybe even more so because Albanian mafia seems to have a strong foothold there trafficking women, children, or anyone else they can exploit.
Why is your government not cleaning that up? Why are so many women sex slaves in England?

Clean up your own house before you go and bomb mine.

So what you're saying is that, so long as a crime, not even necessarily the same crime, exists anywhere in the world, we shouldn't investigate organ trafficking. Have you any idea how pathetic that sounds? Pull yourself together man, you're letting the side down. Better still, start signing yourself Ian - Albania like you secretly want to.

Apologies all, he's really not typical.
(Dave, 24 March 2011 16:07)


No Dave, I'm saying that at all. I wish people wouldn't keep on accusing me of saying stuff, which I aint said! I've already stated that I fully support an investigation into the organ harvesting. If people have committed a crime, then they deserve to be tried and punished. I was just questioning why Russia wants to have it investigated so much aka the political consequences. And why would Russia not want certain issues investigated internally... because of the political consequences.

Also if you're going to pathetically start implying that I'm Albanian, I'm going to start pathetically implying that you're Serbian. That way I'll come down to your low level!

Any you're right, I aint typical. I've got my own individual views on everything. I like to think it makes me unique!

(Ian, UK)
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The Russians are pushing for this probe because the Serbian officials are not on the front like Russia is.

I find it embarrassing that a foreign nation has to come and "fight" for our rights. Unfortunately this is the case, the Serb officials are useless, and their purpose is to stall time.

Ian wrote:

I never said there wasn't a porn industry in the UK because there is and I have no problem with it. I was criticising Russia for legalising CHILD porn. Normal porn and child porn... Big difference.
====================

Oh Ian, clueless Ian. There is child porn in every country and yes, there is child porn in the UK as well.

So Ian, start telling your politicians in England to clean up their country first and get rid of all child porn, murderers etc before they fly their planes over any country dropping their deadly cargo.

You see, clean up your own country first and then, and only then you have the right to investigate or intervene in another country.
This is what you are basically saying for Russia to do. At least Russia is not flying her planes all over the world dropping bomb. They don't impose their will on anyone.

Oh Ian, clueless Ian. There is child porn in every country and yes, there is child porn in the UK as well.

So Ian, start telling your politicians in England to clean up their country first and get rid of all child porn, murderers etc before they fly their planes over any country dropping their deadly cargo.

You see, clean up your own country first and then, and only then you have the right to investigate or intervene in another country.
This is what you are basically saying for Russia to do. At least Russia is not flying her planes all over the world dropping bomb. They don't impose their will on anyone.
(Peggy, 25 March 2011 09:22)

Child Porn is legal in Russia unlike the UK. That is what I was saying earlier if you would have actually read my previous relating comments, but no you'd rather jump to conclusions and attack me.

Where exactly did you get that information? BBC? Can you provide some links so we can all verify it?
(Zoran, 25 March 2011 16:03)

Yes sure.

http://www.russiajournal.com/node/5808
"there is not yet a law on the books in Russia that defines pornography"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2543717.stm
"there are no specific laws on child pornography... The law makes no distinction between pornography involving adults and that involving children"

http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/lawless-russia-a-huge-source-for-child-porn-1.98303

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2001-03-27-porn.htm

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2005-09-30-bad-laws-make-russia-haven-for-child-pornographers