Opposition party: Condemn Libya attacks

I couldn't agree more here with DSS officials. The Western bombardment of Libya is a disgrace and theft of Libya's oil reserves. What happened to calls for peace? The world's bullies are at it again and I wouldn't be surprised if Libya turns into another Iraq.

This is rather odd, I thought these guys love UNSC resolutions. These attacks are all in line with UNSC Resolution 1973.

Establishing a no flight zone includes taking out anti-air defences, thus why the Coalition forces have taken them out; which is in line with UNSCR 1973.

Also the resolution calls for all necessary means to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas, thus why the coalition forces have been attacking pro-Gadaffi military units that have been firing upon and shelling the city of Benghazi which is full of innocent civilians. Again in line with UNSCR 1973.

Also the resolution calls for an instant ceasefire, we've had two of them in 3 days; I wonder how long the current ceasefire will last before murderous Gadaffi starts shelling innocent civilians again.

I think the Serbian opposition must be opposed to UNSCR 1973... double standards?

Wether or not the bombing of Lybia now is the right thing to do is an open question, but one thing is for sure, it would be completely unnecessary if the west hadn't spent the last 10 years trying to get into bed with Gadaffi to get to his oil reserves.

@Ataman,
Your comment is way off. You talking about cold war era aka iron curtain.

Where is BRICS power(Brasil,Russia,India,China,Serbia)Ghadafi needs help.Everybody is quite except Putin barking once in a while.I guess West has upper hand.Soon another dictator down,and few more to go.

I didn't know that Serbs care so much for North Africans?!

Zoran...waht theft? I agree it is the wrong action, but where is the theft of the oil exactly?
I think that is something that won't happen. The West does not go in and 'take' the oil.

I think this hurts those who remember how painful was Tomahawk missiles falling in down town Belgrade.

Remember that no matter, nationality, race, religion and no matter how you obtained land if you kill the citizens inside you territory you will be held accountable as a terrorist state, and you CANNOT hide behind any UN Charter on internal affairs.

Serbia learned a hard lesson on this.

Ian, lets just wait a little longer to see what is more important to these Western aggressors. Civilian lives or their oil interests. I know where my bets are placed.

BTW, what was your position on Iraq? Did you initially support the attack and later change your mind?
(Zoran, 21 March 2011 16:45)

Obviously oil is more important than civilian lives to politicians. Also short fast victorious war are good for the public image of politicians. Saving civilians lives is a secondary priority to politicians, however at least we're saving civilian lives.

And no I have never supported the Iraq War, it was 100% illegal unlike the intervention in Libya. You do realise that the Iraq War has never had mass support in Britain, however there is popular support for intervention in Libya. There was more than 2 million Londoners protesting on the first day of the Iraq War. That is a lot of people.

The intervention in Libya is 100% legal and just, I will support it unless we send in ground troops.

Leave it alone. We cant do more than RUS & China have done already and judging by their retlative silence, they're being compensated geopolitically like I been saying all along. Kostunica is as out of touch now as he was when he broke with Tadic after the DS didnt need him.

I think the Serbian opposition must be opposed to UNSCR 1973... double standards?
(Ian, UK, 21 March 2011 15:16)
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Ian, lets just wait a little longer to see what is more important to these Western aggressors. Civilian lives or their oil interests. I know where my bets are placed.

BTW, what was your position on Iraq? Did you initially support the attack and later change your mind?

There was more than 2 million Londoners protesting on the first day of the Iraq War. That is a lot of people.
(Ian, UK, 21 March 2011 17:25)
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Ian, I was one of those two million protesting in London so no reminder needed. I remember we pretty much sided with the Russian position then.

Now this conflict could very well turn into another Iraq. Just like Iraq, the West is only interested in preserving its oil interests and wherever they intervene the "terrorists" will follow. Both started on March 19 so lets see what happens on May 1. "Mission accomplished" or the gates of hell opening?

The intervention in Libya is 100% legal and just, I will support it unless we send in ground troops.
(Ian, UK, 21 March 2011 17:25)

RE: Legality of Libya War

How do you figure this war is 100% legal?? It surely is not. UN resolution 1963 calls for a UN no fly zone, not the bombardment and dismantling of the Libyan armed forces.

Under the disguise of "humanitariasm" NATO has attacked a retreating Libyan army patrol near Benghazi which has nothing to do with a UN free fly zone. NATO has attacked command and control centres and also have hit hospitals and other civilian targets.

Some German politicians and people have learned the lessons of WWII, but its obvious the UK , France and US have forgotten.

right, and Gaddafi will be hanged like a chicken thieves. This shall be the destiny of all pro russian puppets.
(Ilyrian from Vushtrri, 21 March 2011 20:49)

Alien from Vushrtirr and other k-alien trolls

There are not doubts that this lunatic should go, but I don't recall him having plant his tents in the Kremlin garden, but I do recall him having planted his tent in Paris, in London in Rome and so many other places. Do recall him being received by so many "civilized" world "top" leaders and not that long ago.
So, the same who kissed his bud for the sake of juicy contracts are the one that are pretending today that he is a criminal dictator. Yes indeed, he was, he is and will remain that kind of awfull guy!
He is one of numerous that are still having their buds kissed by our favorites civilized top world leaders !
So Russian puppet, hummmm, well think twice whether it applies or not.

I think the Serbian opposition must be opposed to UNSCR 1973... double standards?
(Ian, UK, 21 March 2011 15:16)

Ian,

No one did answer my VietNam vs. Pol Pot question.
Was VietNam right invading Cambodia and kicking Pol Pot in the ass or not? I recall at the time it happen "West" did whine about expansion of Soviet influence, about international law and such.

The things went as far as China attacking VietNam as "punitive" action (what failed badly). Needless to say, "West" was supporting (at that time) Maoist China against Soviet-backed VietNam.

I assume, we should now condemn "West" for essentially being behind of Pol Pot. Or maybe it's a "case-by-case" case ;-)

I agree - it will keep him in power longer as it did with Milosovic. I concur with almost all except for the last little dig about 'the anniversary'. Actually it is the 8 year anniversary of Iraq I think...to the day.

actually, it is not just the west, but also those that abstained from the unsc vote that are more concerned with their own interests within libya than the plight of its citizens.
by abstaining, they gain favour with the current government if it is successful at maintaining status quo, and can also switch sides if things change.

ggj,

Bravo to you. I agree!

There is no doubt he is a ruthless dictator...and these allies helped to keep him in power!!

How Gaddafi became a Western-backed dictator...

http://foreclosureblues.wordpress.com/2011/03/05/libya-how-gaddafi-became-a-western-backed-dictator/

"We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual … "
British Prime Minister Lord Palmerston

@Ataman,
Your comment is way off. You talking about cold war era aka iron curtain.
(Agim Kelmendi, 21 March 2011 17:38)

You mean during cold war era there were other standards of morale?
I. e. "Cold War" is a valid excuse to support Pol Pot? OK, this is an opinion, too.

The intervention in Libya is 100% legal and just, I will support it unless we send in ground troops.
(Ian, UK, 21 March 2011 17:25)

Fine, but was VietNam intervention in Cambodia to get rid of Pol Pot legal and just? Yes or No?

There was more than 2 million Londoners protesting on the first day of the Iraq War. That is a lot of people.
(Ian, UK, 21 March 2011 17:25)
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Ian, I was one of those two million protesting in London so no reminder needed. I remember we pretty much sided with the Russian position then.

Now this conflict could very well turn into another Iraq. Just like Iraq, the West is only interested in preserving its oil interests and wherever they intervene the "terrorists" will follow. Both started on March 19 so lets see what happens on May 1. "Mission accomplished" or the gates of hell opening?

zoran wrote: "if Libya turns into another Iraq." You are right, and Gaddafi will be hanged like a chicken thieves. This shall be the destiny of all pro russian puppets.

A great victory for NATO which stands... divided. Come on Poland, Germany etc. don't you want your pound of flesh?

A great victory for the coalition with the arab states who have contributed what exactly in military resources, let alone carried out any air strikes. The Saudis would be safe because all their best pilots are pakistanis (honest, this is true) and Saudi can claim Pakistan is doing it.

A great victory for bringing a swift end to the civil war, for that is what it is...but, but there will be an arms embargo on the Khadaffi side and the rebels will be armed which of course means they will easily take Tripoli because fighting in cities is easy as is proved in Iraq etc.

Indeed, the 'bosnia model' is being applied which is guaranteed to keep the war going until the right side wins... at the cost of massive casualties and destruction of infrastructure and trade with neighboring states.

See, the west buys oil from the gulf. The gulf buys expensive weapons from the west and send some money to terrorists and madrassas around the world to undermine anything new since the 7th century AD. The gulf states have paid for the west to fight for them and to turn a blind eye at the right time.

If you sleep with the devil...

No worries, its not western blood being spilt.

UNSCR 1973 is not solely about a no-flight zone, that is just one small part. You obviously haven't read it. As well as a no-flight zone the resolution also called for all necessary means to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas, thus why the coalition forces have been attacking pro-Gadaffi military units that have been firing upon and shelling the city of Benghazi which is full of innocent civilians. Again in line with UNSCR 1973. Also establishing a no flight zone includes taking out anti-air defences, thus why the Coalition forces have taken them out; which is in line with UNSCR 1973. This is all that the coalition forces have done, all in line with UNSCR 1973.

Also don't try and compare this UN mission to WW2, they're nothing alike.
(Ian, UK, 22 March 2011 00:32)

RE:

You obviously dont' understand the true meaning of the resolution; the so called coalation has also twisted the context of the UN resolution to attack the Libyan military.

"Protecting civilians" does not mean hitting and targeting a retreating convoy heading out of Benghazi"

"Protecting civilians" does not mean mean hitting hospitals and other civilian sites."

The so called "Libyan rebels" are now heading towards other Libyan cities hitting civilian targets; why doesnt' the coalition bomb them?

If you are stupid enough to believe this is a "humanitarian" war, than join the other sheep"

The only reason Germany did not join the coaltion is because of the strong Green coaltion.

Of course it's a valid comparision to WW II, London has forgotten it was bombed by the Nazi's.

The British forgot bombing the French British Naval ports under the Vichy Government as they were docked killing thousands of French sailors; a gross war crime never brought forward in the Nuremburg trials.

Do you want more examples?

Ian,

You did not find any oil in Fakland Islands, so you decided to attack Lybia? It was not enough in Iraq, or Americans took it all?

Dont give up my Lybian friends, all world is with you! Just remember Cacak, generation 1984, Medicinska skola!

To : B92 please delete the following words by Well

Everybody is quite except Putin barking once in a while
Thanks !

To : Ian, UK

The intervention in Libya is 100% legal and just, I will support it unless we send in ground troops.

I dislike Qaddafi more than you do but I reject the logic you offer. Why not punish other SOBs like Abdallah and Saleh or let’s strike Bahrain or Syria … Who the hell are you to judge people and are you going to remove the regime without a land operation ? What will you do if Qaddafi ships 200-300 Strela and Stinger missiles to Europe and the USA ? What if had already done it ? How many Lockerbies do you need to come to sense ?

Ataman

Good comment ! By the way Viet Nam and China fought 11 times in their history and each time the winner was the same. In February-April 1979 the Viets used almost noregular forces. What you think who is a bigger SOB the Clown or Qaddafi ? I guess they are equal …

Now this conflict could very well turn into another Iraq. Just like Iraq, the West is only interested in preserving its oil interests and wherever they intervene the "terrorists" will follow. Both started on March 19 so lets see what happens on May 1. "Mission accomplished" or the gates of hell opening?
(Zoran, 21 March 2011 19:18)

No this is very different to the Iraq War. Firstly the intervention in Libya is a UN mission with a no flight zone and with the protection of civilian populations. The Coalition are not sending in ground troops unlike in Iraq. The Coalition are not doing most of the fighting, unlike Iraq; the Libyan people are doing the fighting. The aim of the Coalition mission is to protect civilians and siege/ blockade Libya so that they're forced into peaceful negotiations. What is happening in Libya is very very different to what happened in Iraq 8 years ago. Sure Col Gadaffi will try and make out that it is similar to the Iraq War however he is a mad man.

There are not doubts that this lunatic should go, but I don't recall him having plant his tents in the Kremlin garden, but I do recall him having planted his tent in Paris, in London in Rome and so many other places. Do recall him being received by so many "civilized" world "top" leaders and not that long ago.
So, the same who kissed his bud for the sake of juicy contracts are the one that are pretending today that he is a criminal dictator. Yes indeed, he was, he is and will remain that kind of awfull guy!
He is one of numerous that are still having their buds kissed by our favorites civilized top world leaders !
So Russian puppet, hummmm, well think twice whether it applies or not.
(The Swiss, 21 March 2011 22:16)

Your posts remind me of that black guy who wantd to join the Ku Klux Klan.I think you are trying to show yourself as being more catholic than the Pope.

Not sure exactly what do you mean when you "denounce" the western leaders when they received this guy with honors, and signed the juicy contracts? If there is one typical beneficiary of those contracts that's you, and western bolsheviks like yourselves, who apparently take their well being for granted, and are so class-conscius that have no self-awarness of what the preservation of self-interest means.

The western leaders are not responsible for the future actions of these backward leaders. Same happened with Milosevic, Hussein etc. At least they do have the integrity to bomb Lybia and other luns like this, against their immediate self-interest when they pass the line.

Ataman

By the way Viet Nam and China fought 11 times in their history and each time the winner was the same.
(rote, 21 March 2011 19:00)

I guess, the composite bow does not work in subtropical climate. Every time Chinese, Mongols or Huns tried to invade Viet Nam they got the lesson about that.

Except in 1979 when they used other weaponry. As an opponent Viet is more scary than Chinese, as a friend more reliable probably. :-)

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What you think who is a bigger SOB the Clown or Qaddafi ? I guess they are equal …
(rote, 21 March 2011 19:00)

Tough question because both aren't very nice guys and "enjoy" popularity all over the world. Qaddafi is the worse - at least Sarko does not kill own people. But as personality pretty awful, too.

To say somewhat positive: it was an (in)famous Hungarian reporter, Alajos Chrudinák who was all over Middle East in 70-s and 80-s. Now he is retired (and not very honorably - there is quite a bit of controversy about that guy). He had both friends and enemies in every government of the area. Unusual case because he was welcomed by (certain) Arabs and (certain) Israelis and hated by (certain) Arabs and (certain) Israelis.

In any case he made quite a few interviews with Qaddafi and they were not black and white. What I am really curious is the truth regarding Lockerbie. As much as he is an SOB - there IMHO he wasn't involved, he had to make a deal later.

Milosevic, Hussein etc. At least they do have the integrity to bomb Lybia and other luns like this, against their immediate self-interest when they pass the line.
(Denis, 22 March 2011 15:39)

Wrong again dude, you have simply no clue what you are talking about ! You should either take a rest or get a bit more documented before writting nonsense just for the sake of writting something.
There are a lot of possibilities to get smart thru internet, just use a few of them...
nazdarovije

While I dont support Gadaffi, I believe Nato is the greater of the two evils, The fact that they're bombing civilian and Military targets indiscriminately proves such. What they need is a team of Crack Assasins to go in and take out Gadaffi (and possibly his closest assosiates as welL), 1 death is far better then Hundreds that bombing would cause

How do you figure this war is 100% legal?? It surely is not. UN resolution 1963 calls for a UN no fly zone, not the bombardment and dismantling of the Libyan armed forces.

Under the disguise of "humanitariasm" NATO has attacked a retreating Libyan army patrol near Benghazi which has nothing to do with a UN free fly zone. NATO has attacked command and control centres and also have hit hospitals and other civilian targets.

Some German politicians and people have learned the lessons of WWII, but its obvious the UK , France and US have forgotten.
(Jugoslavija, 21 March 2011 20:19)

UNSCR 1973 is not solely about a no-flight zone, that is just one small part. You obviously haven't read it. As well as a no-flight zone the resolution also called for all necessary means to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas, thus why the coalition forces have been attacking pro-Gadaffi military units that have been firing upon and shelling the city of Benghazi which is full of innocent civilians. Again in line with UNSCR 1973. Also establishing a no flight zone includes taking out anti-air defences, thus why the Coalition forces have taken them out; which is in line with UNSCR 1973. This is all that the coalition forces have done, all in line with UNSCR 1973.

Also don't try and compare this UN mission to WW2, they're nothing alike.

I couldn't agree more here with DSS officials. The Western bombardment of Libya is a disgrace and theft of Libya's oil reserves. What happened to calls for peace? The world's bullies are at it again and I wouldn't be surprised if Libya turns into another Iraq.

I think this hurts those who remember how painful was Tomahawk missiles falling in down town Belgrade.

Remember that no matter, nationality, race, religion and no matter how you obtained land if you kill the citizens inside you territory you will be held accountable as a terrorist state, and you CANNOT hide behind any UN Charter on internal affairs.

Serbia learned a hard lesson on this.

I didn't know that Serbs care so much for North Africans?!

I agree - it will keep him in power longer as it did with Milosovic. I concur with almost all except for the last little dig about 'the anniversary'. Actually it is the 8 year anniversary of Iraq I think...to the day.

Zoran...waht theft? I agree it is the wrong action, but where is the theft of the oil exactly?
I think that is something that won't happen. The West does not go in and 'take' the oil.

Leave it alone. We cant do more than RUS & China have done already and judging by their retlative silence, they're being compensated geopolitically like I been saying all along. Kostunica is as out of touch now as he was when he broke with Tadic after the DS didnt need him.

I think the Serbian opposition must be opposed to UNSCR 1973... double standards?
(Ian, UK, 21 March 2011 15:16)
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Ian, lets just wait a little longer to see what is more important to these Western aggressors. Civilian lives or their oil interests. I know where my bets are placed.

BTW, what was your position on Iraq? Did you initially support the attack and later change your mind?

This is rather odd, I thought these guys love UNSC resolutions. These attacks are all in line with UNSC Resolution 1973.

Establishing a no flight zone includes taking out anti-air defences, thus why the Coalition forces have taken them out; which is in line with UNSCR 1973.

Also the resolution calls for all necessary means to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas, thus why the coalition forces have been attacking pro-Gadaffi military units that have been firing upon and shelling the city of Benghazi which is full of innocent civilians. Again in line with UNSCR 1973.

Also the resolution calls for an instant ceasefire, we've had two of them in 3 days; I wonder how long the current ceasefire will last before murderous Gadaffi starts shelling innocent civilians again.

I think the Serbian opposition must be opposed to UNSCR 1973... double standards?

I think the Serbian opposition must be opposed to UNSCR 1973... double standards?
(Ian, UK, 21 March 2011 15:16)

Ian,

No one did answer my VietNam vs. Pol Pot question.
Was VietNam right invading Cambodia and kicking Pol Pot in the ass or not? I recall at the time it happen "West" did whine about expansion of Soviet influence, about international law and such.

The things went as far as China attacking VietNam as "punitive" action (what failed badly). Needless to say, "West" was supporting (at that time) Maoist China against Soviet-backed VietNam.

I assume, we should now condemn "West" for essentially being behind of Pol Pot. Or maybe it's a "case-by-case" case ;-)

Where is BRICS power(Brasil,Russia,India,China,Serbia)Ghadafi needs help.Everybody is quite except Putin barking once in a while.I guess West has upper hand.Soon another dictator down,and few more to go.

There was more than 2 million Londoners protesting on the first day of the Iraq War. That is a lot of people.
(Ian, UK, 21 March 2011 17:25)
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Ian, I was one of those two million protesting in London so no reminder needed. I remember we pretty much sided with the Russian position then.

Now this conflict could very well turn into another Iraq. Just like Iraq, the West is only interested in preserving its oil interests and wherever they intervene the "terrorists" will follow. Both started on March 19 so lets see what happens on May 1. "Mission accomplished" or the gates of hell opening?

right, and Gaddafi will be hanged like a chicken thieves. This shall be the destiny of all pro russian puppets.
(Ilyrian from Vushtrri, 21 March 2011 20:49)

Alien from Vushrtirr and other k-alien trolls

There are not doubts that this lunatic should go, but I don't recall him having plant his tents in the Kremlin garden, but I do recall him having planted his tent in Paris, in London in Rome and so many other places. Do recall him being received by so many "civilized" world "top" leaders and not that long ago.
So, the same who kissed his bud for the sake of juicy contracts are the one that are pretending today that he is a criminal dictator. Yes indeed, he was, he is and will remain that kind of awfull guy!
He is one of numerous that are still having their buds kissed by our favorites civilized top world leaders !
So Russian puppet, hummmm, well think twice whether it applies or not.

@Ataman,
Your comment is way off. You talking about cold war era aka iron curtain.

zoran wrote: "if Libya turns into another Iraq." You are right, and Gaddafi will be hanged like a chicken thieves. This shall be the destiny of all pro russian puppets.

Wether or not the bombing of Lybia now is the right thing to do is an open question, but one thing is for sure, it would be completely unnecessary if the west hadn't spent the last 10 years trying to get into bed with Gadaffi to get to his oil reserves.

Ian, lets just wait a little longer to see what is more important to these Western aggressors. Civilian lives or their oil interests. I know where my bets are placed.

BTW, what was your position on Iraq? Did you initially support the attack and later change your mind?
(Zoran, 21 March 2011 16:45)

Obviously oil is more important than civilian lives to politicians. Also short fast victorious war are good for the public image of politicians. Saving civilians lives is a secondary priority to politicians, however at least we're saving civilian lives.

And no I have never supported the Iraq War, it was 100% illegal unlike the intervention in Libya. You do realise that the Iraq War has never had mass support in Britain, however there is popular support for intervention in Libya. There was more than 2 million Londoners protesting on the first day of the Iraq War. That is a lot of people.

The intervention in Libya is 100% legal and just, I will support it unless we send in ground troops.

@Ataman,
Your comment is way off. You talking about cold war era aka iron curtain.
(Agim Kelmendi, 21 March 2011 17:38)

You mean during cold war era there were other standards of morale?
I. e. "Cold War" is a valid excuse to support Pol Pot? OK, this is an opinion, too.

The intervention in Libya is 100% legal and just, I will support it unless we send in ground troops.
(Ian, UK, 21 March 2011 17:25)

Fine, but was VietNam intervention in Cambodia to get rid of Pol Pot legal and just? Yes or No?

There are not doubts that this lunatic should go, but I don't recall him having plant his tents in the Kremlin garden, but I do recall him having planted his tent in Paris, in London in Rome and so many other places. Do recall him being received by so many "civilized" world "top" leaders and not that long ago.
So, the same who kissed his bud for the sake of juicy contracts are the one that are pretending today that he is a criminal dictator. Yes indeed, he was, he is and will remain that kind of awfull guy!
He is one of numerous that are still having their buds kissed by our favorites civilized top world leaders !
So Russian puppet, hummmm, well think twice whether it applies or not.
(The Swiss, 21 March 2011 22:16)

Your posts remind me of that black guy who wantd to join the Ku Klux Klan.I think you are trying to show yourself as being more catholic than the Pope.

Not sure exactly what do you mean when you "denounce" the western leaders when they received this guy with honors, and signed the juicy contracts? If there is one typical beneficiary of those contracts that's you, and western bolsheviks like yourselves, who apparently take their well being for granted, and are so class-conscius that have no self-awarness of what the preservation of self-interest means.

The western leaders are not responsible for the future actions of these backward leaders. Same happened with Milosevic, Hussein etc. At least they do have the integrity to bomb Lybia and other luns like this, against their immediate self-interest when they pass the line.

The intervention in Libya is 100% legal and just, I will support it unless we send in ground troops.
(Ian, UK, 21 March 2011 17:25)

RE: Legality of Libya War

How do you figure this war is 100% legal?? It surely is not. UN resolution 1963 calls for a UN no fly zone, not the bombardment and dismantling of the Libyan armed forces.

Under the disguise of "humanitariasm" NATO has attacked a retreating Libyan army patrol near Benghazi which has nothing to do with a UN free fly zone. NATO has attacked command and control centres and also have hit hospitals and other civilian targets.

Some German politicians and people have learned the lessons of WWII, but its obvious the UK , France and US have forgotten.

To : B92 please delete the following words by Well

Everybody is quite except Putin barking once in a while
Thanks !

To : Ian, UK

The intervention in Libya is 100% legal and just, I will support it unless we send in ground troops.

I dislike Qaddafi more than you do but I reject the logic you offer. Why not punish other SOBs like Abdallah and Saleh or let’s strike Bahrain or Syria … Who the hell are you to judge people and are you going to remove the regime without a land operation ? What will you do if Qaddafi ships 200-300 Strela and Stinger missiles to Europe and the USA ? What if had already done it ? How many Lockerbies do you need to come to sense ?

Ataman

Good comment ! By the way Viet Nam and China fought 11 times in their history and each time the winner was the same. In February-April 1979 the Viets used almost noregular forces. What you think who is a bigger SOB the Clown or Qaddafi ? I guess they are equal …

How do you figure this war is 100% legal?? It surely is not. UN resolution 1963 calls for a UN no fly zone, not the bombardment and dismantling of the Libyan armed forces.

Under the disguise of "humanitariasm" NATO has attacked a retreating Libyan army patrol near Benghazi which has nothing to do with a UN free fly zone. NATO has attacked command and control centres and also have hit hospitals and other civilian targets.

Some German politicians and people have learned the lessons of WWII, but its obvious the UK , France and US have forgotten.
(Jugoslavija, 21 March 2011 20:19)

UNSCR 1973 is not solely about a no-flight zone, that is just one small part. You obviously haven't read it. As well as a no-flight zone the resolution also called for all necessary means to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas, thus why the coalition forces have been attacking pro-Gadaffi military units that have been firing upon and shelling the city of Benghazi which is full of innocent civilians. Again in line with UNSCR 1973. Also establishing a no flight zone includes taking out anti-air defences, thus why the Coalition forces have taken them out; which is in line with UNSCR 1973. This is all that the coalition forces have done, all in line with UNSCR 1973.

Also don't try and compare this UN mission to WW2, they're nothing alike.

ggj,

Bravo to you. I agree!

There is no doubt he is a ruthless dictator...and these allies helped to keep him in power!!

How Gaddafi became a Western-backed dictator...

http://foreclosureblues.wordpress.com/2011/03/05/libya-how-gaddafi-became-a-western-backed-dictator/

"We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual … "
British Prime Minister Lord Palmerston

There was more than 2 million Londoners protesting on the first day of the Iraq War. That is a lot of people.
(Ian, UK, 21 March 2011 17:25)
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Ian, I was one of those two million protesting in London so no reminder needed. I remember we pretty much sided with the Russian position then.

Now this conflict could very well turn into another Iraq. Just like Iraq, the West is only interested in preserving its oil interests and wherever they intervene the "terrorists" will follow. Both started on March 19 so lets see what happens on May 1. "Mission accomplished" or the gates of hell opening?

A great victory for NATO which stands... divided. Come on Poland, Germany etc. don't you want your pound of flesh?

A great victory for the coalition with the arab states who have contributed what exactly in military resources, let alone carried out any air strikes. The Saudis would be safe because all their best pilots are pakistanis (honest, this is true) and Saudi can claim Pakistan is doing it.

A great victory for bringing a swift end to the civil war, for that is what it is...but, but there will be an arms embargo on the Khadaffi side and the rebels will be armed which of course means they will easily take Tripoli because fighting in cities is easy as is proved in Iraq etc.

Indeed, the 'bosnia model' is being applied which is guaranteed to keep the war going until the right side wins... at the cost of massive casualties and destruction of infrastructure and trade with neighboring states.

See, the west buys oil from the gulf. The gulf buys expensive weapons from the west and send some money to terrorists and madrassas around the world to undermine anything new since the 7th century AD. The gulf states have paid for the west to fight for them and to turn a blind eye at the right time.

If you sleep with the devil...

No worries, its not western blood being spilt.

Now this conflict could very well turn into another Iraq. Just like Iraq, the West is only interested in preserving its oil interests and wherever they intervene the "terrorists" will follow. Both started on March 19 so lets see what happens on May 1. "Mission accomplished" or the gates of hell opening?
(Zoran, 21 March 2011 19:18)

No this is very different to the Iraq War. Firstly the intervention in Libya is a UN mission with a no flight zone and with the protection of civilian populations. The Coalition are not sending in ground troops unlike in Iraq. The Coalition are not doing most of the fighting, unlike Iraq; the Libyan people are doing the fighting. The aim of the Coalition mission is to protect civilians and siege/ blockade Libya so that they're forced into peaceful negotiations. What is happening in Libya is very very different to what happened in Iraq 8 years ago. Sure Col Gadaffi will try and make out that it is similar to the Iraq War however he is a mad man.

Ataman

By the way Viet Nam and China fought 11 times in their history and each time the winner was the same.
(rote, 21 March 2011 19:00)

I guess, the composite bow does not work in subtropical climate. Every time Chinese, Mongols or Huns tried to invade Viet Nam they got the lesson about that.

Except in 1979 when they used other weaponry. As an opponent Viet is more scary than Chinese, as a friend more reliable probably. :-)

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What you think who is a bigger SOB the Clown or Qaddafi ? I guess they are equal …
(rote, 21 March 2011 19:00)

Tough question because both aren't very nice guys and "enjoy" popularity all over the world. Qaddafi is the worse - at least Sarko does not kill own people. But as personality pretty awful, too.

To say somewhat positive: it was an (in)famous Hungarian reporter, Alajos Chrudinák who was all over Middle East in 70-s and 80-s. Now he is retired (and not very honorably - there is quite a bit of controversy about that guy). He had both friends and enemies in every government of the area. Unusual case because he was welcomed by (certain) Arabs and (certain) Israelis and hated by (certain) Arabs and (certain) Israelis.

In any case he made quite a few interviews with Qaddafi and they were not black and white. What I am really curious is the truth regarding Lockerbie. As much as he is an SOB - there IMHO he wasn't involved, he had to make a deal later.

actually, it is not just the west, but also those that abstained from the unsc vote that are more concerned with their own interests within libya than the plight of its citizens.
by abstaining, they gain favour with the current government if it is successful at maintaining status quo, and can also switch sides if things change.

While I dont support Gadaffi, I believe Nato is the greater of the two evils, The fact that they're bombing civilian and Military targets indiscriminately proves such. What they need is a team of Crack Assasins to go in and take out Gadaffi (and possibly his closest assosiates as welL), 1 death is far better then Hundreds that bombing would cause

UNSCR 1973 is not solely about a no-flight zone, that is just one small part. You obviously haven't read it. As well as a no-flight zone the resolution also called for all necessary means to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas, thus why the coalition forces have been attacking pro-Gadaffi military units that have been firing upon and shelling the city of Benghazi which is full of innocent civilians. Again in line with UNSCR 1973. Also establishing a no flight zone includes taking out anti-air defences, thus why the Coalition forces have taken them out; which is in line with UNSCR 1973. This is all that the coalition forces have done, all in line with UNSCR 1973.

Also don't try and compare this UN mission to WW2, they're nothing alike.
(Ian, UK, 22 March 2011 00:32)

RE:

You obviously dont' understand the true meaning of the resolution; the so called coalation has also twisted the context of the UN resolution to attack the Libyan military.

"Protecting civilians" does not mean hitting and targeting a retreating convoy heading out of Benghazi"

"Protecting civilians" does not mean mean hitting hospitals and other civilian sites."

The so called "Libyan rebels" are now heading towards other Libyan cities hitting civilian targets; why doesnt' the coalition bomb them?

If you are stupid enough to believe this is a "humanitarian" war, than join the other sheep"

The only reason Germany did not join the coaltion is because of the strong Green coaltion.

Of course it's a valid comparision to WW II, London has forgotten it was bombed by the Nazi's.

The British forgot bombing the French British Naval ports under the Vichy Government as they were docked killing thousands of French sailors; a gross war crime never brought forward in the Nuremburg trials.

Do you want more examples?

Ian,

You did not find any oil in Fakland Islands, so you decided to attack Lybia? It was not enough in Iraq, or Americans took it all?

Dont give up my Lybian friends, all world is with you! Just remember Cacak, generation 1984, Medicinska skola!

Milosevic, Hussein etc. At least they do have the integrity to bomb Lybia and other luns like this, against their immediate self-interest when they pass the line.
(Denis, 22 March 2011 15:39)

Wrong again dude, you have simply no clue what you are talking about ! You should either take a rest or get a bit more documented before writting nonsense just for the sake of writting something.
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