Friday, 18.03.2011.
10:27
A solution for the Serbian-Albanian conflict cannot be a scenario in which Serbia will recognize Kosovo's independence, said Serbian President Boris Tadić.
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pre 13 godina
John, your comment made me realise, that, we will never give up our revenge, it is in our mentallity afterall....someday, the Albanian sufferings will be revenged, blood can be washed only by blood...never forget that. What we started in Prizren more than 130 years ago, is not over.
pre 13 godina
@(Grzegorz, 20 March 2011 15:02)
it was slobodan milosovic...then president of serbia NOT yugoslavia that ursurped the Federal representation and powers within the federal govt. of YUGOSLAVIA of kosovo and vojvodina...
using force and violence to do so... that serbia so blatantly destroyed what yugoslavia was, in effect, serbs could revise, rewrite, reinvent yugoslav laws on a whim as if everyone else should have been magically beholden to it?
it is always amusing to see serb apologists lacking enough cognitive ability to realize they should do all they can to avoid speaking of what yugoslav laws were.
serbs attempted a theft and power grab within the former yugoslavia. Reduced it to veneer that milosovic and serbs proudly HID behind to perpetrate their attempted theft.
It failed.
pre 13 godina
@ Grzegorz,
Serbs have there national state- Serbia,with capital in Beograd.
Please tell us what is the story of Republic Srpska in the territory of Bosnia.
Me never heard of Srpsk Republic before 90s.
Thanks in advance!
(delon, 20 March 2011 00:43)
The Serbs were a constitutive nation on First and Second Yugoslavia. "Bosnia and Herzegovina" was created in 1945 as a administrative unit of Yugoslavia, i.e. of state of Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, Macedonians and Montenegrians (since 1974 also state of Muslims/Bosniaks). Serbs according to Constitition of Yugoslavia from 1974 had right to self-determination in Bosnia. Albanians were and are minority in state of Southern Slavs.
pre 13 godina
canadian serb,
read again your history and you will learn that you tried to erase albanians-and were defeated-long before usa did exist.So don't blame USA,but think why we do not want to live with you ,just as all the other people of ex yu,who too do not want to live with you,despite being slavic.
pre 13 godina
Can there be hills behind shores? This is what serbs propose, hills behind shores...
Also...if serbia wants us to apologise for picking up guns and not letting serb army and serbs to slaughter every single one of us, so that we can finaly have ''reconcilation'' between serbs and albanians...no, thank you, we don't want reconcilation. We will never forgive. Saying that we will never forget but we will forgive would be a lie, surely we won't forget and we will never forgive as well...this man is a joke, talking with serbs is lost time...when will tadic understand that Albanians want nothing to do with serbia..as for serbs of Kosovo, they are just 60 thousand, if Presevo Albanians who are 100 thousand have managed to stay in serbia, Mitrovica Serbs will manage to stay in Kosovo...
''both parties commited crime'' theory is just funny...but the theory that ''crimes were individual'' is hilarous...the crimes commited by serbs were sponsored and backed up by the serbian state, milosevic was cheered by the serbian people, milosevic was not just a dictator with no support from the people,if not majority, a great deal of serb supported him, . State is a system, is not run by one individual, and any crimes commited by the state, even if the ''individuals'' running this state change, the state is still held reposible...for instance, in Albania, even though the current state is democratic system by definiton, it still is reponsile for the crimes commited by the former communist state, so, our state not only had to apologise, but also is compelled to compesate the people involved for the unjustices of the past, ...for instance, current german state, has nothing to do with the ww2, but Germany is still obliged to pay compesation to israel (a state which was founded in 1948 and did not even exist in ww2), because by princple of state, the responsibilty of mistakes is not attributed to ''individuals'' but is attributed to the system, even if this sytem is different from the previous system..
Yet i don't understand something. After all what appened in 1999 how can Serbia propose ''less than indipendence more than autonomy''...the ''less than ..more than...'' is like making fun with people's intiligence, any expert on politics and international relation would laugh with tears when hearing such thing...especially after revealing that survey, according to which 53% of serbs in 2011 still think mladic was a serb hero.
(iliri, 19 March 2011 14:18)
1. There were very, very few war crimes in Kosovo, the vast majority was proven popoganda.
2. They were never sponsored by the State, this was proven in court.
3. Albanian war crimes were far greater then Serbian ones, Cutting women's children out of their mothers stomachs, kidnapping people to sell their organs. Unlike the alledged Serbian crimes, those ones are officially documented.
4. Milosevic was no dictator, he was freely voted in, and freely voted out, opposition parties were even encouraged by him.
5. That means Albania has to compensate Serbia
6. Anyone who isnt an idiot , when hearing the phrase "Less then Independence, more then autononomy" would think Scotland, N. Ireland or Hong Kong,
7. After the events from 1998 to the present day Kosovo shouldnt even be granted Autonomy if you use that logic
8. You consider Hashim Thaci a hero, even though he ousted Dr Mengele in terms of crimes
pre 13 godina
He believes that the solution must not be such that one side wins everything while the other loses everything.
sad sad sad, Serbia has nothing, can Lose nothing.
serbia did it utmost to steal what it could while HIDING under the guise of yugoslavia.
it failed.
it is utter and complete delusion that fools like this hold to the idea that they will ever be able to negotiate a theft where force and violence already failed.
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@Grzegorz, 19 March 2011 17:45)
So what if there is an Albanian state?
the Balkans are riddled with several SLAV states.
whats the problem?
It makes absolutley no sense for you to approach it with that logic
pre 13 godina
Who cares if Kosova is recognized from Serbia or not. In three years is recognized by 75 states including most of democratic states. We need 50 more and that is a matter of time. So is clear that time is in Kosova side and not Serbias prejudiced state. So Tadic in mean time you can talk no sense as much as you want.
pre 13 godina
@ Grzegorz,
Serbs have there national state- Serbia,with capital in Beograd.
Please tell us what is the story of Republic Srpska in the territory of Bosnia.
Me never heard of Srpsk Republic before 90s.
Thanks in advance!
pre 13 godina
Albanian 'minority' in former yougoslavia, consisted of roughly 50% of Albanian nation...Now, Kosovo consists of roughly 30% of toal number of Albanians...still, it is a big persentage.
pre 13 godina
Albanians have their national state - Albania, with capital in Tirana. Albanians in Kosovo-Metohia are no more there a minority in Serbia. Autonomous Province of Kosovo-Metohia wasn't a subject of international relations, neither a territory requested to decolonization. Any ethnic group in Kosovo-Metohia has not right to self-determination. It's the only base for solution.
pre 13 godina
Can there be hills behind shores? This is what serbs propose, hills behind shores...
Also...if serbia wants us to apologise for picking up guns and not letting serb army and serbs to slaughter every single one of us, so that we can finaly have ''reconcilation'' between serbs and albanians...no, thank you, we don't want reconcilation. We will never forgive. Saying that we will never forget but we will forgive would be a lie, surely we won't forget and we will never forgive as well...this man is a joke, talking with serbs is lost time...when will tadic understand that Albanians want nothing to do with serbia..as for serbs of Kosovo, they are just 60 thousand, if Presevo Albanians who are 100 thousand have managed to stay in serbia, Mitrovica Serbs will manage to stay in Kosovo...
''both parties commited crime'' theory is just funny...but the theory that ''crimes were individual'' is hilarous...the crimes commited by serbs were sponsored and backed up by the serbian state, milosevic was cheered by the serbian people, milosevic was not just a dictator with no support from the people,if not majority, a great deal of serb supported him, . State is a system, is not run by one individual, and any crimes commited by the state, even if the ''individuals'' running this state change, the state is still held reposible...for instance, in Albania, even though the current state is democratic system by definiton, it still is reponsile for the crimes commited by the former communist state, so, our state not only had to apologise, but also is compelled to compesate the people involved for the unjustices of the past, ...for instance, current german state, has nothing to do with the ww2, but Germany is still obliged to pay compesation to israel (a state which was founded in 1948 and did not even exist in ww2), because by princple of state, the responsibilty of mistakes is not attributed to ''individuals'' but is attributed to the system, even if this sytem is different from the previous system..
Yet i don't understand something. After all what appened in 1999 how can Serbia propose ''less than indipendence more than autonomy''...the ''less than ..more than...'' is like making fun with people's intiligence, any expert on politics and international relation would laugh with tears when hearing such thing...especially after revealing that survey, according to which 53% of serbs in 2011 still think mladic was a serb hero.
pre 13 godina
And if your name is really Zoran, you better be prepared to answer few extra questions from K-embassy personnel on the purpose of your trip.
(miri, 18 March 2011 18:54)
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I live in Serbia miri and to get to KiM I just show them my licna karta at the northern administrative points, assuming someone is there, otherwise it's straight through. I assume you've never been to those check points?
pre 13 godina
Mark:
“Whatever the Serbs will ask in N.Kosovo Albanians will ask for in Presevo Valley.Territory exchange? Maybe.” Belgrade controls both, so why would it trade one for the other?
Gumbolaya:
Thx for that. That was funny.
Miri:
Are you for European open borders, or not? Would the Kosova Embassy be north of the Ibar?
The Truth Chicago:
Independent, independent, independent, newborn, independent. Who are you KAlbs trying to convince? Yourselves? The ICO? UNMIK? EULEX? NATO? KFOR? Population N of Ibar? I almost think the KAlbs would not mind if Serbian soldiers and MUP re-entered the rest of Kosmet in exchange for Belgrade renaming Kosmet the “Independent Province of Kosova and Metohija.” Is Montenegro still trying to make the point that it is Independent?
pre 13 godina
-When asked why he did not apologize to Kosovo Albanians for the crimes that had been committed against them during Milošević's rule, Tadić said that both sides needed to face the crimes before he could apologize.--
i will prefer to ignore all of the usual "we will never recognize...bla bla bla" rhetoric crap, and focus on this issue of apology.
i do not believe for a second that there has yet been any real apology for the horrors perpetrated by serbia (under the milosevic regime). there have been some token words, and an eu-forced "apology" about srebrenica (immediately followed by a motion talking about guilt on "all sides.") as for kosova, absolutely nothing. a horrifying scandal.
instead, the blgd regime harbors 1000s of war criminals not to mention mass murderer mladic.
the message (intended?) is that serbia still does not recognize that it was guilty. and when you speak to "ordinary" people in kosova or bosnia, this is what they believe -- and why not?
anyway, i posed the question once to sonia biserko -- who i greatly respect despite all of the lies and libels about her in this shark tank. i posed the question to her some years ago: when will the serb govt ever show any remorse? when will they apologize? when will they go to srebnenica -- or to sarajevo -- or to kosova, get down on their knees and ask for forgiveness, as willy brandt once did at the warsaw ghetto memorial?
No! she responded (i'm paraphrasing.) it will never happen, not these people, nor would i want them to-- they're not the right ones. if and when a democratic govt takes power -- maybe then. and who knows when that will happen.
it wasn't what i wanted to hear, but as usual, she was right.
we spoke again, briefly, last month. remember the last time you were here (in serbia, a few years ago), she asked. nothing's changed.
i said, yes, i know, i read b-92, religiously :)
always a lot to think about.
thanks.
roberto
frisco
pre 13 godina
To this day, no Serb politician or serb troll on this site has been able to explain how Kosova supose to look based the above; more than autonomy,less than independence!!!
(Agim Kelmendi, 18 March 2011 13:17)
Scotland
(John, 18 March 2011 21:43)
Care to explain how Scotland has more than autonomy but less than independence? Scotland has less powers than US states do.
pre 13 godina
"it would appear that b92 has turned into kosovo. originally it started as the 'cradle' of serbian free press and now has turned into a place where albanians outnumber the serbs on their own ground and spew their xenophobic hate with the 'moderators' turning a blind eye...
(stari,"
Which Albanians on this site spew xenophobic hate??
On the other hand, have you read any of the posts by highduke, lids, zoran, dragan, peggy, top,.... my finger hurt from all the typing.
Were you talking about xenophobes?
(Metrod, 18 March 2011 23:34)
Apart from perhaps Ratko, the Serbian posts arent rascist and have some basis, While Amer once managed to get "Wipe the Serbs from the face of the earth, SEING HEIL!" posted here
pre 13 godina
"it would appear that b92 has turned into kosovo. originally it started as the 'cradle' of serbian free press and now has turned into a place where albanians outnumber the serbs on their own ground and spew their xenophobic hate with the 'moderators' turning a blind eye...
(stari,"
Which Albanians on this site spew xenophobic hate??
On the other hand, have you read any of the posts by highduke, lids, zoran, dragan, peggy, top,.... my finger hurt from all the typing.
Were you talking about xenophobes?
pre 13 godina
The Serbian leadership has put on a new mask, but the “conductor” behind the mask has not changed. The same rhetoric used by Milosevic in Rambuillet, Kostunica in Vienna, and now Tadic in this latest “dialogue” will lead nowhere.
Tadic just stated that a solution acceptable to both sides DOES NOT EXIST, especially since Serbia wants to keep Kosovo a colony – in other words nothing has changed since 1913.
It is obvious that Belgrade is participating in this "dialogue" solely because their route to EU goes through Prishtina. In addition, last year’s IJC suicide has put it in a very tight spot.
It is also obvious that it is not in Prishtina’s interest to continue this dialogue since according to Tadic, “all options are not on the table”.
Therefore, these talks are doomed to fail along with Serbia’s EU membership bid.
pre 13 godina
To this day, no Serb politician or serb troll on this site has been able to explain how Kosova supose to look based the above; more than autonomy,less than independence!!!
(Agim Kelmendi, 18 March 2011 13:17)
Scotland
pre 13 godina
There already was a "historic Kosova solution"....its called "Independence":)
pre 13 godina
Remember, we were at the negotiating table years ago when KiM Albanians rejected everything except independence. You tried everything to get that independence and failed. Now we are back at the negotiating table to find a more realistic compromise.
(Zoran, 18 March 2011 14:33)
Your error is that you say you are back at the negotiating table to find a more realistic compromise, but look who are at the table and no one agrees it is to encompass any type of discussion over indpendence vs whatever. This is evidenced by the fact that only low level unknowns are used to represent the 2 sides.
pre 13 godina
it would appear that b92 has turned into kosovo. originally it started as the 'cradle' of serbian free press and now has turned into a place where albanians outnumber the serbs on their own ground and spew their xenophobic hate with the 'moderators' turning a blind eye...
pre 13 godina
However, those representatives are allowed to bravely step forward with ideas that might not be appealing to the whole people, but which could be accepted in the end through a referendum,“ he argued.
So please bravely step forward and show the Serbs the reality that they don't want to see. Whatever the Serbs will ask in N.Kosovo Albanians will ask for in Presevo Valley.Territory exchange? Maybe.
pre 13 godina
Funny comparison. Hey, do you know, Taiwan is not an UN member state, too, and doing well. But please don't hope that Kosovo with its African standards will ever reach the wealth of these countries - not in a 100 years :)
(Top, 18 March 2011 16:47)
So what's your point?
Serbia is a UN recognized state and it will never reach the wealth of these countries (Taiwan). Doesn't this tell you precisely that UN membership is not that important afterall?
pre 13 godina
Switzerland's independence was never disputed whereas "Kosova's" has failed.
Like I've said before and it seems KiM-Albanians are happy with what they have.
No UN seat, no international legitimacy, no membership of any international sporting organisation and practically no membership of any international organisation. Currently administered by the US/EU, no army and EULEX overseeing law and order. Currently using Serbia's international telephone code, no control over large parts of territory, Serbian companies operating unhindered in the north and the list goes on.
If you guys think you have nothing to negotiate and you believe "Kosova" is independent then hey, I'm happy with that. It just means that your idea of independence is at a much lower level than mine.
(Zoran, 18 March 2011 17:03)
...just make sure you bring your own passport when you apply for a visa at "Kosovo Embassy" in whichever western country you live. That is if you really care where Kosova is and what happens there. And if your name is really Zoran, you better be prepared to answer few extra questions from K-embassy personnel on the purpose of your trip.
pre 13 godina
Serbia used to have a dictator as a president and now has a comedian. Tadic wants a 'historic solution without recognizing Kosovo', and I want to get a monthly salary without working.
(ivan, 18 March 2011, 16:01)
We now know that you and many others like you want to get a monthly salary without working. All I can say is y'all better change your attitudes towards illegal and free money or you'll get your EU walking papers when donkeys fly. And I mean fly,not running fast!
pre 13 godina
Switzerland was no a member of UN till 2002, and it very well without that membership.
(Kosova-USA, 18 March 2011 15:19)
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Switzerland's independence was never disputed whereas "Kosova's" has failed.
Like I've said before and it seems KiM-Albanians are happy with what they have.
No UN seat, no international legitimacy, no membership of any international sporting organisation and practically no membership of any international organisation. Currently administered by the US/EU, no army and EULEX overseeing law and order. Currently using Serbia's international telephone code, no control over large parts of territory, Serbian companies operating unhindered in the north and the list goes on.
If you guys think you have nothing to negotiate and you believe "Kosova" is independent then hey, I'm happy with that. It just means that your idea of independence is at a much lower level than mine.
pre 13 godina
"Switzerland was no a member of UN till 2002, and it very well without that membership."
(Kosova-USA, 18 March 2011 15:19)
Funny comparison. Hey, do you know, Taiwan is not an UN member state, too, and doing well. But please don't hope that Kosovo with its African standards will ever reach the wealth of these countries - not in a 100 years :)
pre 13 godina
Serbia used to have a dictator as a president and now has a comedian. Tadic wants a 'historic solution without recognizing Kosovo', and I want to get a monthly salary without working.
pre 13 godina
I think this guy is insane or at least needs to understand what the word solutions means.
(ben, 18 March 2011 13:50)
All he needs to know is the meaning and the power of truth and all that it encompasses, and the solutions will be taken care of,just like they have been thus far.
Truth is beyond personalities and therefore is also beyond the extensions of those personalities--religions, politics, cultures and all beliefs of those personalities that can't get beyond themselves to come together and find solutions that benefit all equally.
Truth is the only path that is always victorious, in which all cultural and religious differences vanish.
People, let go of your differences and see only that which you share! You share that same back door that I do! (Melanie sang that!)
Tadich, stray from the truth and all of your efforts are futile.
pre 13 godina
The way I see it is that every time that any Serb politician brings up the "Serbia will never...", a concession will be made to Kosovar side in the upcoming talks. Serbia has no choice but to bend over to the will of EU which, luckily today, happens to be in line with K-Albanian interests.
The issue of plates, the issue of goods coming through the border, air space usage, customs, courts, electricity shortage, telephone lines, railroads etc. etc. all these will be solved in such a way that will be more beneficial to Kosova and in line with the declared independence. If the other way around was true, that is if Serbia wants to do the opposite, there is nothing Serbia needs to do and there would be no reason for dialog.
From the other hand, knowing how paranoid Serb politicians are on accepting the K-reality, we hear constantly the noise of status. It's simply idiotic to think that after all technical issues are solved in line with K-constitution, K-Albanians will sit down and discuss the status. Serb politicians scream that the talks will not jeopardize Serb constitution. The reality is that these talks are doing just that and to cover up the “crime” they are spicing every decision with “Serbia will never recognize Kosova” empty statements.
Please, even a child can see the oxymoron in all this. Tadic is no more than an or
pre 13 godina
That is currently under negotiation. You'll likely get a bit more than the Hong Kong model and less than independence, so no UN seat, no recognition from major players and no international legitimacy.
Remember, we were at the negotiating table years ago when KiM Albanians rejected everything except independence. You tried everything to get that independence and failed. Now we are back at the negotiating table to find a more realistic compromise.
(Zoran, 18 March 2011 14:33)
Your offer may be good for Vojvodina/Sanxhak and Preshevo , but Kosova has its full independence. Remember one thing, Switzerland was no a member of UN till 2002, and it very well without that membership.
pre 13 godina
I think with this type Milosevic's/Seselj's/Kostunica's mentality, in the long run, Serbia will lose Presevo Valley, Sanjak and Vojvodina. Tadic should distinguish himself from such brainwashed nationalist leaders to help Serbia get back up on the contrary it risks its fundamental existence.
The reason I am saying this is because Serbia/Serbs sticks on some myths that they created themselves and for International Historians are hilarious claims with obvious intention. Kosovo is a closed chapter recognised by the BIGGEST players in the world. Period.
The more you prolong recognising this reality the more are chances that you contribute to instability, which moreover may increase chances for further independence movements in the remaining Serbia.
pre 13 godina
Kosova supose to look based the above; more than autonomy,less than independence!!!
(Agim Kelmendi, 18 March 2011 13:17)
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That is currently under negotiation. You'll likely get a bit more than the Hong Kong model and less than independence, so no UN seat, no recognition from major players and no international legitimacy.
Remember, we were at the negotiating table years ago when KiM Albanians rejected everything except independence. You tried everything to get that independence and failed. Now we are back at the negotiating table to find a more realistic compromise.
pre 13 godina
What a moron, he makes it sound as if Serbia won against NATO and now want smth in return. I hope these talks fail, we do not need your recognition, yes we can survive without UN membership, we have done so since three years ago and Kosovo's economy is going up with average salary reaching that of Serbia, buhu Tadic you have NOTHING to offer us.
pre 13 godina
"A solution for the Serbian-Albanian conflict cannot be a scenario in which Serbia will recognize Kosovo's independence, said Serbian President Boris Tadić."
Then why do you want to discuss "status" so much if recognition is not even an option? Ridiculous!
pre 13 godina
"Can anyone tell me what areas in the north is inhabited by the Serbs? About Mitrovica city, is it wise to divide a city?"
(fez, 18 March 2011 13:03)
It's not wise, but the city IS already divided. Divided by the Ibar river, which would make a good border between Serbia and Kosovo. The few Albanians in the north could move to core Kosovo (if they don't like to live in Serbia), there must be a lot of empty houses from 1000s of Serbs who were expelled/left Kosovo.
pre 13 godina
Pejoni!
How can you say that you Albanians can do it alone!
When for your whole Albanian existence you have been riding the coat tails of Serbs, Greeks and Bulgarians.
Even right now you battles are fought by the US.
Your plight is straight out of a Hollywood movie.
Are not you Albanians tired of being breast feed?
It's time to gather your own twigs and berries .
pre 13 godina
Can anyone tell me what areas in the north is inhabited by the Serbs? About Mitrovica city, is it wise to divide a city? I understand if there is an entire municipality, but a city? And one more thing I wondered for a long time but failed to find any concrete answers. Maybe someone here can help me with it. How many Serbs and Albanians livs in the north?
Thanx
pre 13 godina
I guess it was just too much to ask that some may read this article and feel even a small amount of positives. Well despite the inevitable back stabbing and petty name calling and blinkered adherance to old positions in spite of anything, I maintain that this statement by Tadic could, if acted on properly and pragmatically, represent a really sound foundation for moving forward. All we need is an open minded will on both sides.
pre 13 godina
In the end it will be more than autonomy, less than independence.
(Zoran, 18 March 2011 12:04)
To this day, no Serb politician or serb troll on this site has been able to explain how Kosova supose to look based the above; more than autonomy,less than independence!!!
pre 13 godina
A solution for the Serbian-Albanian conflict cannot be a scenario in which Serbia will recognize Kosovo's independence, said Serbian President Boris Tadić.
I think this guy is insane or at least needs to understand what the word solutions means.
pre 13 godina
"KOSOVA = FREEDOM = INDEPENDENT"
(FREEDOM, 18 March 2011 10:36)
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Actually, you left something out
KOSOVA = FREEDOM = INDEPENDENT = FAILED
Serbia went for full sovereignty over KiM and failed as ethnic Albanians did not want to integrate into Serbian structures.
KiM Albanians went for full independence but failed as they do not control the entire territory and Serbians reject "Kosova" structures.
It is simple my friend, if "Kosova" was independent there would be no need for this "dialogue" but since independence has failed we have to face reality now and negotiate between ourselves.
In the end it will be more than autonomy, less than independence.
pre 13 godina
c.o.!
The following is the event that happened in 1999.
The USA bombed Serbia and then expelled the Serbs.
Then in the year 2008, the US gave you Albanians permission, but more like instructions on how you are to separate from Serbia.
The above would never have happened if the Albanian criminals were not stealing, raping and killing Serbians. How many Serbian policemen were called by Albanian criminals.
Even Bin Ladin had sent his Al Qaeda into to Kosovo to train you Albanians on being the best at terrorism.
Your past and present is a made up make believe exsistence,based soley on Amercian dollars and American military might.
If you don't believe this story, then go to your local library and read it for yourself!
pre 13 godina
KOSOVA = FREEDOM FOR BANDITS = INDEPENDENT DRUG TRAFFIC ect.
while
KOSOVO & METOHIJA = SERBIA
pre 13 godina
This is when even the most self-deluded Albanian seperatist finally loses the blind hope that our leaders will betray KiM. Keeping KiM inside Serbia is part of RUS' strategic interest to the extent that it isn't up to Belgrade.
(highduke, 18 March 2011 11:04)
Don't forget to include your brother Gaddafi on this strategic interest.
pre 13 godina
This is when even the most self-deluded Albanian seperatist finally loses the blind hope that our leaders will betray KiM. Keeping KiM inside Serbia is part of RUS' strategic interest to the extent that it isn't up to Belgrade.
pre 13 godina
Kosovo independent from Serbia and Albania is the best compromised solution. If Kosovo would integrate with Albania, albanians would win it all. If Kosovo would integrate with Serbia, then serbs would win it all. So the best compromise where nobody would be a looser or a winner is the independence of Kosovo based on the neutral A.Plan where all in Kosovo has same rights and the statesymnbols are not related to any nation.
Kosovo independence will not change Tadic. Serbia will not enter EU when all other regional countrys do if you wont recognize the multi ethnic independent Kosovo.
A.Plan was the historical solution between serbs and albanians and the plan wich is being implemented. The rest is a done deal and Serbia should move on by now.
We all know that Serbia dont want any historical compromise with us albanians. They showed it during the 80'sadn the 90's. The only thing Serbia wants is the land. Somthing they will never get as long as albanians live there.
Peace to all in their own country's and respect your neighbour!!
pre 13 godina
No one really cares what he thinks. EU is about to get a huge black eye in Kosova. Only the corrupt Thaci supports the talks that offer nothing for Kosova and that EU pushed him an hour he stole the election. 95% want reciprocity: ban of Serbian products, documents, car plates and so on until Serbi accepts those from Kosova. Here's the beauty of this: EU cannot afford to fail and Kosova has nothing to lose, even the EU aid is not coming since Thaci violated the IMF agreement.
pre 13 godina
"A solution for the Serbian-Albanian conflict cannot be a scenario in which Serbia will recognize Kosovo's independence, said Serbian President Boris Tadić. "
A solution for the Serbian-Albanian conflict cannot be a scenario in which the dedicated and free will of the people of Kosovo will be ignored. The events which cumulated in 1999 made the return of Kosovo to Serbia impossible and it will not improve the unstable situation in the Balkans when this is constantly blanked out by Serbia's officials.
pre 13 godina
Mr Tadiq
History has been written and it sounds like this:
"KOSOVA = FREEDOM = INDEPENDENT"
Tung
pre 13 godina
"historical Kosovo solution"
"... solution for the Serbian-Albanian conflict cannot be a scenario in which Serbia will recognize Kosovo's independence, said Serbian President Boris Tadić."
It is exactely the opposite. Without Serbia recognising Kosovo independence there will be no historical solution. I am not expecting that will happen tomorrow or a day after tomorrow but Tadic's statement is purely for internal public consuption and I personally totally understand it. Tadic is right to be concerned about the Serbs community in Kosovo as the Kosovo Albanians are concerned about the Albanian community is Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. As I have suggested in my past comments the rights of each respective community should be addressed in the comming talks. We all agree that talks are between two equal partners but that talks can not last for ever and should make sense.
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I have to say, this is probably one of the most balanced, fair and realistic statements I have read concerning Kosovo. I only hope that more on both sides of this issue read this and realise that, despite what many will have you believe, there are those in power who are pragmatic and honest enough to understand the realities and be willing to present a workable approach to the eventual resolution of this whole sorry mess. Well done Mr Tadic and I say that with no political or nationalistic allegiance to either side just an appreciation of a common sense and well presented stance. Lets not now walk backwards and indulge in name calling and ill informed commentry. Lets for once see if it is possible to all make a balanced and even friendly comment to this story. Try it, it might just start something worthwhile! Or am I being too hopeful, we shall see.
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I have to say, this is probably one of the most balanced, fair and realistic statements I have read concerning Kosovo. I only hope that more on both sides of this issue read this and realise that, despite what many will have you believe, there are those in power who are pragmatic and honest enough to understand the realities and be willing to present a workable approach to the eventual resolution of this whole sorry mess. Well done Mr Tadic and I say that with no political or nationalistic allegiance to either side just an appreciation of a common sense and well presented stance. Lets not now walk backwards and indulge in name calling and ill informed commentry. Lets for once see if it is possible to all make a balanced and even friendly comment to this story. Try it, it might just start something worthwhile! Or am I being too hopeful, we shall see.
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c.o.!
The following is the event that happened in 1999.
The USA bombed Serbia and then expelled the Serbs.
Then in the year 2008, the US gave you Albanians permission, but more like instructions on how you are to separate from Serbia.
The above would never have happened if the Albanian criminals were not stealing, raping and killing Serbians. How many Serbian policemen were called by Albanian criminals.
Even Bin Ladin had sent his Al Qaeda into to Kosovo to train you Albanians on being the best at terrorism.
Your past and present is a made up make believe exsistence,based soley on Amercian dollars and American military might.
If you don't believe this story, then go to your local library and read it for yourself!
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Mr Tadiq
History has been written and it sounds like this:
"KOSOVA = FREEDOM = INDEPENDENT"
Tung
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KOSOVA = FREEDOM FOR BANDITS = INDEPENDENT DRUG TRAFFIC ect.
while
KOSOVO & METOHIJA = SERBIA
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"KOSOVA = FREEDOM = INDEPENDENT"
(FREEDOM, 18 March 2011 10:36)
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Actually, you left something out
KOSOVA = FREEDOM = INDEPENDENT = FAILED
Serbia went for full sovereignty over KiM and failed as ethnic Albanians did not want to integrate into Serbian structures.
KiM Albanians went for full independence but failed as they do not control the entire territory and Serbians reject "Kosova" structures.
It is simple my friend, if "Kosova" was independent there would be no need for this "dialogue" but since independence has failed we have to face reality now and negotiate between ourselves.
In the end it will be more than autonomy, less than independence.
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This is when even the most self-deluded Albanian seperatist finally loses the blind hope that our leaders will betray KiM. Keeping KiM inside Serbia is part of RUS' strategic interest to the extent that it isn't up to Belgrade.
(highduke, 18 March 2011 11:04)
Don't forget to include your brother Gaddafi on this strategic interest.
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Kosovo independent from Serbia and Albania is the best compromised solution. If Kosovo would integrate with Albania, albanians would win it all. If Kosovo would integrate with Serbia, then serbs would win it all. So the best compromise where nobody would be a looser or a winner is the independence of Kosovo based on the neutral A.Plan where all in Kosovo has same rights and the statesymnbols are not related to any nation.
Kosovo independence will not change Tadic. Serbia will not enter EU when all other regional countrys do if you wont recognize the multi ethnic independent Kosovo.
A.Plan was the historical solution between serbs and albanians and the plan wich is being implemented. The rest is a done deal and Serbia should move on by now.
We all know that Serbia dont want any historical compromise with us albanians. They showed it during the 80'sadn the 90's. The only thing Serbia wants is the land. Somthing they will never get as long as albanians live there.
Peace to all in their own country's and respect your neighbour!!
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"historical Kosovo solution"
"... solution for the Serbian-Albanian conflict cannot be a scenario in which Serbia will recognize Kosovo's independence, said Serbian President Boris Tadić."
It is exactely the opposite. Without Serbia recognising Kosovo independence there will be no historical solution. I am not expecting that will happen tomorrow or a day after tomorrow but Tadic's statement is purely for internal public consuption and I personally totally understand it. Tadic is right to be concerned about the Serbs community in Kosovo as the Kosovo Albanians are concerned about the Albanian community is Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. As I have suggested in my past comments the rights of each respective community should be addressed in the comming talks. We all agree that talks are between two equal partners but that talks can not last for ever and should make sense.
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What a moron, he makes it sound as if Serbia won against NATO and now want smth in return. I hope these talks fail, we do not need your recognition, yes we can survive without UN membership, we have done so since three years ago and Kosovo's economy is going up with average salary reaching that of Serbia, buhu Tadic you have NOTHING to offer us.
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I guess it was just too much to ask that some may read this article and feel even a small amount of positives. Well despite the inevitable back stabbing and petty name calling and blinkered adherance to old positions in spite of anything, I maintain that this statement by Tadic could, if acted on properly and pragmatically, represent a really sound foundation for moving forward. All we need is an open minded will on both sides.
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I think with this type Milosevic's/Seselj's/Kostunica's mentality, in the long run, Serbia will lose Presevo Valley, Sanjak and Vojvodina. Tadic should distinguish himself from such brainwashed nationalist leaders to help Serbia get back up on the contrary it risks its fundamental existence.
The reason I am saying this is because Serbia/Serbs sticks on some myths that they created themselves and for International Historians are hilarious claims with obvious intention. Kosovo is a closed chapter recognised by the BIGGEST players in the world. Period.
The more you prolong recognising this reality the more are chances that you contribute to instability, which moreover may increase chances for further independence movements in the remaining Serbia.
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Serbia used to have a dictator as a president and now has a comedian. Tadic wants a 'historic solution without recognizing Kosovo', and I want to get a monthly salary without working.
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In the end it will be more than autonomy, less than independence.
(Zoran, 18 March 2011 12:04)
To this day, no Serb politician or serb troll on this site has been able to explain how Kosova supose to look based the above; more than autonomy,less than independence!!!
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That is currently under negotiation. You'll likely get a bit more than the Hong Kong model and less than independence, so no UN seat, no recognition from major players and no international legitimacy.
Remember, we were at the negotiating table years ago when KiM Albanians rejected everything except independence. You tried everything to get that independence and failed. Now we are back at the negotiating table to find a more realistic compromise.
(Zoran, 18 March 2011 14:33)
Your offer may be good for Vojvodina/Sanxhak and Preshevo , but Kosova has its full independence. Remember one thing, Switzerland was no a member of UN till 2002, and it very well without that membership.
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"A solution for the Serbian-Albanian conflict cannot be a scenario in which Serbia will recognize Kosovo's independence, said Serbian President Boris Tadić. "
A solution for the Serbian-Albanian conflict cannot be a scenario in which the dedicated and free will of the people of Kosovo will be ignored. The events which cumulated in 1999 made the return of Kosovo to Serbia impossible and it will not improve the unstable situation in the Balkans when this is constantly blanked out by Serbia's officials.
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"A solution for the Serbian-Albanian conflict cannot be a scenario in which Serbia will recognize Kosovo's independence, said Serbian President Boris Tadić."
Then why do you want to discuss "status" so much if recognition is not even an option? Ridiculous!
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This is when even the most self-deluded Albanian seperatist finally loses the blind hope that our leaders will betray KiM. Keeping KiM inside Serbia is part of RUS' strategic interest to the extent that it isn't up to Belgrade.
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A solution for the Serbian-Albanian conflict cannot be a scenario in which Serbia will recognize Kosovo's independence, said Serbian President Boris Tadić.
I think this guy is insane or at least needs to understand what the word solutions means.
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Pejoni!
How can you say that you Albanians can do it alone!
When for your whole Albanian existence you have been riding the coat tails of Serbs, Greeks and Bulgarians.
Even right now you battles are fought by the US.
Your plight is straight out of a Hollywood movie.
Are not you Albanians tired of being breast feed?
It's time to gather your own twigs and berries .
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The way I see it is that every time that any Serb politician brings up the "Serbia will never...", a concession will be made to Kosovar side in the upcoming talks. Serbia has no choice but to bend over to the will of EU which, luckily today, happens to be in line with K-Albanian interests.
The issue of plates, the issue of goods coming through the border, air space usage, customs, courts, electricity shortage, telephone lines, railroads etc. etc. all these will be solved in such a way that will be more beneficial to Kosova and in line with the declared independence. If the other way around was true, that is if Serbia wants to do the opposite, there is nothing Serbia needs to do and there would be no reason for dialog.
From the other hand, knowing how paranoid Serb politicians are on accepting the K-reality, we hear constantly the noise of status. It's simply idiotic to think that after all technical issues are solved in line with K-constitution, K-Albanians will sit down and discuss the status. Serb politicians scream that the talks will not jeopardize Serb constitution. The reality is that these talks are doing just that and to cover up the “crime” they are spicing every decision with “Serbia will never recognize Kosova” empty statements.
Please, even a child can see the oxymoron in all this. Tadic is no more than an or
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Serbia used to have a dictator as a president and now has a comedian. Tadic wants a 'historic solution without recognizing Kosovo', and I want to get a monthly salary without working.
(ivan, 18 March 2011, 16:01)
We now know that you and many others like you want to get a monthly salary without working. All I can say is y'all better change your attitudes towards illegal and free money or you'll get your EU walking papers when donkeys fly. And I mean fly,not running fast!
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"Switzerland was no a member of UN till 2002, and it very well without that membership."
(Kosova-USA, 18 March 2011 15:19)
Funny comparison. Hey, do you know, Taiwan is not an UN member state, too, and doing well. But please don't hope that Kosovo with its African standards will ever reach the wealth of these countries - not in a 100 years :)
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Switzerland was no a member of UN till 2002, and it very well without that membership.
(Kosova-USA, 18 March 2011 15:19)
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Switzerland's independence was never disputed whereas "Kosova's" has failed.
Like I've said before and it seems KiM-Albanians are happy with what they have.
No UN seat, no international legitimacy, no membership of any international sporting organisation and practically no membership of any international organisation. Currently administered by the US/EU, no army and EULEX overseeing law and order. Currently using Serbia's international telephone code, no control over large parts of territory, Serbian companies operating unhindered in the north and the list goes on.
If you guys think you have nothing to negotiate and you believe "Kosova" is independent then hey, I'm happy with that. It just means that your idea of independence is at a much lower level than mine.
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Funny comparison. Hey, do you know, Taiwan is not an UN member state, too, and doing well. But please don't hope that Kosovo with its African standards will ever reach the wealth of these countries - not in a 100 years :)
(Top, 18 March 2011 16:47)
So what's your point?
Serbia is a UN recognized state and it will never reach the wealth of these countries (Taiwan). Doesn't this tell you precisely that UN membership is not that important afterall?
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Kosova supose to look based the above; more than autonomy,less than independence!!!
(Agim Kelmendi, 18 March 2011 13:17)
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That is currently under negotiation. You'll likely get a bit more than the Hong Kong model and less than independence, so no UN seat, no recognition from major players and no international legitimacy.
Remember, we were at the negotiating table years ago when KiM Albanians rejected everything except independence. You tried everything to get that independence and failed. Now we are back at the negotiating table to find a more realistic compromise.
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The Serbian leadership has put on a new mask, but the “conductor” behind the mask has not changed. The same rhetoric used by Milosevic in Rambuillet, Kostunica in Vienna, and now Tadic in this latest “dialogue” will lead nowhere.
Tadic just stated that a solution acceptable to both sides DOES NOT EXIST, especially since Serbia wants to keep Kosovo a colony – in other words nothing has changed since 1913.
It is obvious that Belgrade is participating in this "dialogue" solely because their route to EU goes through Prishtina. In addition, last year’s IJC suicide has put it in a very tight spot.
It is also obvious that it is not in Prishtina’s interest to continue this dialogue since according to Tadic, “all options are not on the table”.
Therefore, these talks are doomed to fail along with Serbia’s EU membership bid.
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There already was a "historic Kosova solution"....its called "Independence":)
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"Can anyone tell me what areas in the north is inhabited by the Serbs? About Mitrovica city, is it wise to divide a city?"
(fez, 18 March 2011 13:03)
It's not wise, but the city IS already divided. Divided by the Ibar river, which would make a good border between Serbia and Kosovo. The few Albanians in the north could move to core Kosovo (if they don't like to live in Serbia), there must be a lot of empty houses from 1000s of Serbs who were expelled/left Kosovo.
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it would appear that b92 has turned into kosovo. originally it started as the 'cradle' of serbian free press and now has turned into a place where albanians outnumber the serbs on their own ground and spew their xenophobic hate with the 'moderators' turning a blind eye...
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Switzerland's independence was never disputed whereas "Kosova's" has failed.
Like I've said before and it seems KiM-Albanians are happy with what they have.
No UN seat, no international legitimacy, no membership of any international sporting organisation and practically no membership of any international organisation. Currently administered by the US/EU, no army and EULEX overseeing law and order. Currently using Serbia's international telephone code, no control over large parts of territory, Serbian companies operating unhindered in the north and the list goes on.
If you guys think you have nothing to negotiate and you believe "Kosova" is independent then hey, I'm happy with that. It just means that your idea of independence is at a much lower level than mine.
(Zoran, 18 March 2011 17:03)
...just make sure you bring your own passport when you apply for a visa at "Kosovo Embassy" in whichever western country you live. That is if you really care where Kosova is and what happens there. And if your name is really Zoran, you better be prepared to answer few extra questions from K-embassy personnel on the purpose of your trip.
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Remember, we were at the negotiating table years ago when KiM Albanians rejected everything except independence. You tried everything to get that independence and failed. Now we are back at the negotiating table to find a more realistic compromise.
(Zoran, 18 March 2011 14:33)
Your error is that you say you are back at the negotiating table to find a more realistic compromise, but look who are at the table and no one agrees it is to encompass any type of discussion over indpendence vs whatever. This is evidenced by the fact that only low level unknowns are used to represent the 2 sides.
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To this day, no Serb politician or serb troll on this site has been able to explain how Kosova supose to look based the above; more than autonomy,less than independence!!!
(Agim Kelmendi, 18 March 2011 13:17)
Scotland
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However, those representatives are allowed to bravely step forward with ideas that might not be appealing to the whole people, but which could be accepted in the end through a referendum,“ he argued.
So please bravely step forward and show the Serbs the reality that they don't want to see. Whatever the Serbs will ask in N.Kosovo Albanians will ask for in Presevo Valley.Territory exchange? Maybe.
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"it would appear that b92 has turned into kosovo. originally it started as the 'cradle' of serbian free press and now has turned into a place where albanians outnumber the serbs on their own ground and spew their xenophobic hate with the 'moderators' turning a blind eye...
(stari,"
Which Albanians on this site spew xenophobic hate??
On the other hand, have you read any of the posts by highduke, lids, zoran, dragan, peggy, top,.... my finger hurt from all the typing.
Were you talking about xenophobes?
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Can there be hills behind shores? This is what serbs propose, hills behind shores...
Also...if serbia wants us to apologise for picking up guns and not letting serb army and serbs to slaughter every single one of us, so that we can finaly have ''reconcilation'' between serbs and albanians...no, thank you, we don't want reconcilation. We will never forgive. Saying that we will never forget but we will forgive would be a lie, surely we won't forget and we will never forgive as well...this man is a joke, talking with serbs is lost time...when will tadic understand that Albanians want nothing to do with serbia..as for serbs of Kosovo, they are just 60 thousand, if Presevo Albanians who are 100 thousand have managed to stay in serbia, Mitrovica Serbs will manage to stay in Kosovo...
''both parties commited crime'' theory is just funny...but the theory that ''crimes were individual'' is hilarous...the crimes commited by serbs were sponsored and backed up by the serbian state, milosevic was cheered by the serbian people, milosevic was not just a dictator with no support from the people,if not majority, a great deal of serb supported him, . State is a system, is not run by one individual, and any crimes commited by the state, even if the ''individuals'' running this state change, the state is still held reposible...for instance, in Albania, even though the current state is democratic system by definiton, it still is reponsile for the crimes commited by the former communist state, so, our state not only had to apologise, but also is compelled to compesate the people involved for the unjustices of the past, ...for instance, current german state, has nothing to do with the ww2, but Germany is still obliged to pay compesation to israel (a state which was founded in 1948 and did not even exist in ww2), because by princple of state, the responsibilty of mistakes is not attributed to ''individuals'' but is attributed to the system, even if this sytem is different from the previous system..
Yet i don't understand something. After all what appened in 1999 how can Serbia propose ''less than indipendence more than autonomy''...the ''less than ..more than...'' is like making fun with people's intiligence, any expert on politics and international relation would laugh with tears when hearing such thing...especially after revealing that survey, according to which 53% of serbs in 2011 still think mladic was a serb hero.
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No one really cares what he thinks. EU is about to get a huge black eye in Kosova. Only the corrupt Thaci supports the talks that offer nothing for Kosova and that EU pushed him an hour he stole the election. 95% want reciprocity: ban of Serbian products, documents, car plates and so on until Serbi accepts those from Kosova. Here's the beauty of this: EU cannot afford to fail and Kosova has nothing to lose, even the EU aid is not coming since Thaci violated the IMF agreement.
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To this day, no Serb politician or serb troll on this site has been able to explain how Kosova supose to look based the above; more than autonomy,less than independence!!!
(Agim Kelmendi, 18 March 2011 13:17)
Scotland
(John, 18 March 2011 21:43)
Care to explain how Scotland has more than autonomy but less than independence? Scotland has less powers than US states do.
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I think this guy is insane or at least needs to understand what the word solutions means.
(ben, 18 March 2011 13:50)
All he needs to know is the meaning and the power of truth and all that it encompasses, and the solutions will be taken care of,just like they have been thus far.
Truth is beyond personalities and therefore is also beyond the extensions of those personalities--religions, politics, cultures and all beliefs of those personalities that can't get beyond themselves to come together and find solutions that benefit all equally.
Truth is the only path that is always victorious, in which all cultural and religious differences vanish.
People, let go of your differences and see only that which you share! You share that same back door that I do! (Melanie sang that!)
Tadich, stray from the truth and all of your efforts are futile.
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@ Grzegorz,
Serbs have there national state- Serbia,with capital in Beograd.
Please tell us what is the story of Republic Srpska in the territory of Bosnia.
Me never heard of Srpsk Republic before 90s.
Thanks in advance!
(delon, 20 March 2011 00:43)
The Serbs were a constitutive nation on First and Second Yugoslavia. "Bosnia and Herzegovina" was created in 1945 as a administrative unit of Yugoslavia, i.e. of state of Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, Macedonians and Montenegrians (since 1974 also state of Muslims/Bosniaks). Serbs according to Constitition of Yugoslavia from 1974 had right to self-determination in Bosnia. Albanians were and are minority in state of Southern Slavs.
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Can anyone tell me what areas in the north is inhabited by the Serbs? About Mitrovica city, is it wise to divide a city? I understand if there is an entire municipality, but a city? And one more thing I wondered for a long time but failed to find any concrete answers. Maybe someone here can help me with it. How many Serbs and Albanians livs in the north?
Thanx
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-When asked why he did not apologize to Kosovo Albanians for the crimes that had been committed against them during Milošević's rule, Tadić said that both sides needed to face the crimes before he could apologize.--
i will prefer to ignore all of the usual "we will never recognize...bla bla bla" rhetoric crap, and focus on this issue of apology.
i do not believe for a second that there has yet been any real apology for the horrors perpetrated by serbia (under the milosevic regime). there have been some token words, and an eu-forced "apology" about srebrenica (immediately followed by a motion talking about guilt on "all sides.") as for kosova, absolutely nothing. a horrifying scandal.
instead, the blgd regime harbors 1000s of war criminals not to mention mass murderer mladic.
the message (intended?) is that serbia still does not recognize that it was guilty. and when you speak to "ordinary" people in kosova or bosnia, this is what they believe -- and why not?
anyway, i posed the question once to sonia biserko -- who i greatly respect despite all of the lies and libels about her in this shark tank. i posed the question to her some years ago: when will the serb govt ever show any remorse? when will they apologize? when will they go to srebnenica -- or to sarajevo -- or to kosova, get down on their knees and ask for forgiveness, as willy brandt once did at the warsaw ghetto memorial?
No! she responded (i'm paraphrasing.) it will never happen, not these people, nor would i want them to-- they're not the right ones. if and when a democratic govt takes power -- maybe then. and who knows when that will happen.
it wasn't what i wanted to hear, but as usual, she was right.
we spoke again, briefly, last month. remember the last time you were here (in serbia, a few years ago), she asked. nothing's changed.
i said, yes, i know, i read b-92, religiously :)
always a lot to think about.
thanks.
roberto
frisco
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"it would appear that b92 has turned into kosovo. originally it started as the 'cradle' of serbian free press and now has turned into a place where albanians outnumber the serbs on their own ground and spew their xenophobic hate with the 'moderators' turning a blind eye...
(stari,"
Which Albanians on this site spew xenophobic hate??
On the other hand, have you read any of the posts by highduke, lids, zoran, dragan, peggy, top,.... my finger hurt from all the typing.
Were you talking about xenophobes?
(Metrod, 18 March 2011 23:34)
Apart from perhaps Ratko, the Serbian posts arent rascist and have some basis, While Amer once managed to get "Wipe the Serbs from the face of the earth, SEING HEIL!" posted here
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Mark:
“Whatever the Serbs will ask in N.Kosovo Albanians will ask for in Presevo Valley.Territory exchange? Maybe.” Belgrade controls both, so why would it trade one for the other?
Gumbolaya:
Thx for that. That was funny.
Miri:
Are you for European open borders, or not? Would the Kosova Embassy be north of the Ibar?
The Truth Chicago:
Independent, independent, independent, newborn, independent. Who are you KAlbs trying to convince? Yourselves? The ICO? UNMIK? EULEX? NATO? KFOR? Population N of Ibar? I almost think the KAlbs would not mind if Serbian soldiers and MUP re-entered the rest of Kosmet in exchange for Belgrade renaming Kosmet the “Independent Province of Kosova and Metohija.” Is Montenegro still trying to make the point that it is Independent?
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And if your name is really Zoran, you better be prepared to answer few extra questions from K-embassy personnel on the purpose of your trip.
(miri, 18 March 2011 18:54)
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I live in Serbia miri and to get to KiM I just show them my licna karta at the northern administrative points, assuming someone is there, otherwise it's straight through. I assume you've never been to those check points?
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Albanians have their national state - Albania, with capital in Tirana. Albanians in Kosovo-Metohia are no more there a minority in Serbia. Autonomous Province of Kosovo-Metohia wasn't a subject of international relations, neither a territory requested to decolonization. Any ethnic group in Kosovo-Metohia has not right to self-determination. It's the only base for solution.
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Who cares if Kosova is recognized from Serbia or not. In three years is recognized by 75 states including most of democratic states. We need 50 more and that is a matter of time. So is clear that time is in Kosova side and not Serbias prejudiced state. So Tadic in mean time you can talk no sense as much as you want.
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He believes that the solution must not be such that one side wins everything while the other loses everything.
sad sad sad, Serbia has nothing, can Lose nothing.
serbia did it utmost to steal what it could while HIDING under the guise of yugoslavia.
it failed.
it is utter and complete delusion that fools like this hold to the idea that they will ever be able to negotiate a theft where force and violence already failed.
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@Grzegorz, 19 March 2011 17:45)
So what if there is an Albanian state?
the Balkans are riddled with several SLAV states.
whats the problem?
It makes absolutley no sense for you to approach it with that logic
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canadian serb,
read again your history and you will learn that you tried to erase albanians-and were defeated-long before usa did exist.So don't blame USA,but think why we do not want to live with you ,just as all the other people of ex yu,who too do not want to live with you,despite being slavic.
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Albanian 'minority' in former yougoslavia, consisted of roughly 50% of Albanian nation...Now, Kosovo consists of roughly 30% of toal number of Albanians...still, it is a big persentage.
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@ Grzegorz,
Serbs have there national state- Serbia,with capital in Beograd.
Please tell us what is the story of Republic Srpska in the territory of Bosnia.
Me never heard of Srpsk Republic before 90s.
Thanks in advance!
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Can there be hills behind shores? This is what serbs propose, hills behind shores...
Also...if serbia wants us to apologise for picking up guns and not letting serb army and serbs to slaughter every single one of us, so that we can finaly have ''reconcilation'' between serbs and albanians...no, thank you, we don't want reconcilation. We will never forgive. Saying that we will never forget but we will forgive would be a lie, surely we won't forget and we will never forgive as well...this man is a joke, talking with serbs is lost time...when will tadic understand that Albanians want nothing to do with serbia..as for serbs of Kosovo, they are just 60 thousand, if Presevo Albanians who are 100 thousand have managed to stay in serbia, Mitrovica Serbs will manage to stay in Kosovo...
''both parties commited crime'' theory is just funny...but the theory that ''crimes were individual'' is hilarous...the crimes commited by serbs were sponsored and backed up by the serbian state, milosevic was cheered by the serbian people, milosevic was not just a dictator with no support from the people,if not majority, a great deal of serb supported him, . State is a system, is not run by one individual, and any crimes commited by the state, even if the ''individuals'' running this state change, the state is still held reposible...for instance, in Albania, even though the current state is democratic system by definiton, it still is reponsile for the crimes commited by the former communist state, so, our state not only had to apologise, but also is compelled to compesate the people involved for the unjustices of the past, ...for instance, current german state, has nothing to do with the ww2, but Germany is still obliged to pay compesation to israel (a state which was founded in 1948 and did not even exist in ww2), because by princple of state, the responsibilty of mistakes is not attributed to ''individuals'' but is attributed to the system, even if this sytem is different from the previous system..
Yet i don't understand something. After all what appened in 1999 how can Serbia propose ''less than indipendence more than autonomy''...the ''less than ..more than...'' is like making fun with people's intiligence, any expert on politics and international relation would laugh with tears when hearing such thing...especially after revealing that survey, according to which 53% of serbs in 2011 still think mladic was a serb hero.
(iliri, 19 March 2011 14:18)
1. There were very, very few war crimes in Kosovo, the vast majority was proven popoganda.
2. They were never sponsored by the State, this was proven in court.
3. Albanian war crimes were far greater then Serbian ones, Cutting women's children out of their mothers stomachs, kidnapping people to sell their organs. Unlike the alledged Serbian crimes, those ones are officially documented.
4. Milosevic was no dictator, he was freely voted in, and freely voted out, opposition parties were even encouraged by him.
5. That means Albania has to compensate Serbia
6. Anyone who isnt an idiot , when hearing the phrase "Less then Independence, more then autononomy" would think Scotland, N. Ireland or Hong Kong,
7. After the events from 1998 to the present day Kosovo shouldnt even be granted Autonomy if you use that logic
8. You consider Hashim Thaci a hero, even though he ousted Dr Mengele in terms of crimes
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@(Grzegorz, 20 March 2011 15:02)
it was slobodan milosovic...then president of serbia NOT yugoslavia that ursurped the Federal representation and powers within the federal govt. of YUGOSLAVIA of kosovo and vojvodina...
using force and violence to do so... that serbia so blatantly destroyed what yugoslavia was, in effect, serbs could revise, rewrite, reinvent yugoslav laws on a whim as if everyone else should have been magically beholden to it?
it is always amusing to see serb apologists lacking enough cognitive ability to realize they should do all they can to avoid speaking of what yugoslav laws were.
serbs attempted a theft and power grab within the former yugoslavia. Reduced it to veneer that milosovic and serbs proudly HID behind to perpetrate their attempted theft.
It failed.
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John, your comment made me realise, that, we will never give up our revenge, it is in our mentallity afterall....someday, the Albanian sufferings will be revenged, blood can be washed only by blood...never forget that. What we started in Prizren more than 130 years ago, is not over.
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Mr Tadiq
History has been written and it sounds like this:
"KOSOVA = FREEDOM = INDEPENDENT"
Tung
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No one really cares what he thinks. EU is about to get a huge black eye in Kosova. Only the corrupt Thaci supports the talks that offer nothing for Kosova and that EU pushed him an hour he stole the election. 95% want reciprocity: ban of Serbian products, documents, car plates and so on until Serbi accepts those from Kosova. Here's the beauty of this: EU cannot afford to fail and Kosova has nothing to lose, even the EU aid is not coming since Thaci violated the IMF agreement.
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KOSOVA = FREEDOM FOR BANDITS = INDEPENDENT DRUG TRAFFIC ect.
while
KOSOVO & METOHIJA = SERBIA
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Kosovo independent from Serbia and Albania is the best compromised solution. If Kosovo would integrate with Albania, albanians would win it all. If Kosovo would integrate with Serbia, then serbs would win it all. So the best compromise where nobody would be a looser or a winner is the independence of Kosovo based on the neutral A.Plan where all in Kosovo has same rights and the statesymnbols are not related to any nation.
Kosovo independence will not change Tadic. Serbia will not enter EU when all other regional countrys do if you wont recognize the multi ethnic independent Kosovo.
A.Plan was the historical solution between serbs and albanians and the plan wich is being implemented. The rest is a done deal and Serbia should move on by now.
We all know that Serbia dont want any historical compromise with us albanians. They showed it during the 80'sadn the 90's. The only thing Serbia wants is the land. Somthing they will never get as long as albanians live there.
Peace to all in their own country's and respect your neighbour!!
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c.o.!
The following is the event that happened in 1999.
The USA bombed Serbia and then expelled the Serbs.
Then in the year 2008, the US gave you Albanians permission, but more like instructions on how you are to separate from Serbia.
The above would never have happened if the Albanian criminals were not stealing, raping and killing Serbians. How many Serbian policemen were called by Albanian criminals.
Even Bin Ladin had sent his Al Qaeda into to Kosovo to train you Albanians on being the best at terrorism.
Your past and present is a made up make believe exsistence,based soley on Amercian dollars and American military might.
If you don't believe this story, then go to your local library and read it for yourself!
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"historical Kosovo solution"
"... solution for the Serbian-Albanian conflict cannot be a scenario in which Serbia will recognize Kosovo's independence, said Serbian President Boris Tadić."
It is exactely the opposite. Without Serbia recognising Kosovo independence there will be no historical solution. I am not expecting that will happen tomorrow or a day after tomorrow but Tadic's statement is purely for internal public consuption and I personally totally understand it. Tadic is right to be concerned about the Serbs community in Kosovo as the Kosovo Albanians are concerned about the Albanian community is Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. As I have suggested in my past comments the rights of each respective community should be addressed in the comming talks. We all agree that talks are between two equal partners but that talks can not last for ever and should make sense.
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This is when even the most self-deluded Albanian seperatist finally loses the blind hope that our leaders will betray KiM. Keeping KiM inside Serbia is part of RUS' strategic interest to the extent that it isn't up to Belgrade.
(highduke, 18 March 2011 11:04)
Don't forget to include your brother Gaddafi on this strategic interest.
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This is when even the most self-deluded Albanian seperatist finally loses the blind hope that our leaders will betray KiM. Keeping KiM inside Serbia is part of RUS' strategic interest to the extent that it isn't up to Belgrade.
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"A solution for the Serbian-Albanian conflict cannot be a scenario in which Serbia will recognize Kosovo's independence, said Serbian President Boris Tadić. "
A solution for the Serbian-Albanian conflict cannot be a scenario in which the dedicated and free will of the people of Kosovo will be ignored. The events which cumulated in 1999 made the return of Kosovo to Serbia impossible and it will not improve the unstable situation in the Balkans when this is constantly blanked out by Serbia's officials.
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In the end it will be more than autonomy, less than independence.
(Zoran, 18 March 2011 12:04)
To this day, no Serb politician or serb troll on this site has been able to explain how Kosova supose to look based the above; more than autonomy,less than independence!!!
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"KOSOVA = FREEDOM = INDEPENDENT"
(FREEDOM, 18 March 2011 10:36)
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Actually, you left something out
KOSOVA = FREEDOM = INDEPENDENT = FAILED
Serbia went for full sovereignty over KiM and failed as ethnic Albanians did not want to integrate into Serbian structures.
KiM Albanians went for full independence but failed as they do not control the entire territory and Serbians reject "Kosova" structures.
It is simple my friend, if "Kosova" was independent there would be no need for this "dialogue" but since independence has failed we have to face reality now and negotiate between ourselves.
In the end it will be more than autonomy, less than independence.
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What a moron, he makes it sound as if Serbia won against NATO and now want smth in return. I hope these talks fail, we do not need your recognition, yes we can survive without UN membership, we have done so since three years ago and Kosovo's economy is going up with average salary reaching that of Serbia, buhu Tadic you have NOTHING to offer us.
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Can anyone tell me what areas in the north is inhabited by the Serbs? About Mitrovica city, is it wise to divide a city? I understand if there is an entire municipality, but a city? And one more thing I wondered for a long time but failed to find any concrete answers. Maybe someone here can help me with it. How many Serbs and Albanians livs in the north?
Thanx
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"A solution for the Serbian-Albanian conflict cannot be a scenario in which Serbia will recognize Kosovo's independence, said Serbian President Boris Tadić."
Then why do you want to discuss "status" so much if recognition is not even an option? Ridiculous!
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Kosova supose to look based the above; more than autonomy,less than independence!!!
(Agim Kelmendi, 18 March 2011 13:17)
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That is currently under negotiation. You'll likely get a bit more than the Hong Kong model and less than independence, so no UN seat, no recognition from major players and no international legitimacy.
Remember, we were at the negotiating table years ago when KiM Albanians rejected everything except independence. You tried everything to get that independence and failed. Now we are back at the negotiating table to find a more realistic compromise.
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A solution for the Serbian-Albanian conflict cannot be a scenario in which Serbia will recognize Kosovo's independence, said Serbian President Boris Tadić.
I think this guy is insane or at least needs to understand what the word solutions means.
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I think with this type Milosevic's/Seselj's/Kostunica's mentality, in the long run, Serbia will lose Presevo Valley, Sanjak and Vojvodina. Tadic should distinguish himself from such brainwashed nationalist leaders to help Serbia get back up on the contrary it risks its fundamental existence.
The reason I am saying this is because Serbia/Serbs sticks on some myths that they created themselves and for International Historians are hilarious claims with obvious intention. Kosovo is a closed chapter recognised by the BIGGEST players in the world. Period.
The more you prolong recognising this reality the more are chances that you contribute to instability, which moreover may increase chances for further independence movements in the remaining Serbia.
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Serbia used to have a dictator as a president and now has a comedian. Tadic wants a 'historic solution without recognizing Kosovo', and I want to get a monthly salary without working.
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Pejoni!
How can you say that you Albanians can do it alone!
When for your whole Albanian existence you have been riding the coat tails of Serbs, Greeks and Bulgarians.
Even right now you battles are fought by the US.
Your plight is straight out of a Hollywood movie.
Are not you Albanians tired of being breast feed?
It's time to gather your own twigs and berries .
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"Switzerland was no a member of UN till 2002, and it very well without that membership."
(Kosova-USA, 18 March 2011 15:19)
Funny comparison. Hey, do you know, Taiwan is not an UN member state, too, and doing well. But please don't hope that Kosovo with its African standards will ever reach the wealth of these countries - not in a 100 years :)
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Switzerland was no a member of UN till 2002, and it very well without that membership.
(Kosova-USA, 18 March 2011 15:19)
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Switzerland's independence was never disputed whereas "Kosova's" has failed.
Like I've said before and it seems KiM-Albanians are happy with what they have.
No UN seat, no international legitimacy, no membership of any international sporting organisation and practically no membership of any international organisation. Currently administered by the US/EU, no army and EULEX overseeing law and order. Currently using Serbia's international telephone code, no control over large parts of territory, Serbian companies operating unhindered in the north and the list goes on.
If you guys think you have nothing to negotiate and you believe "Kosova" is independent then hey, I'm happy with that. It just means that your idea of independence is at a much lower level than mine.
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That is currently under negotiation. You'll likely get a bit more than the Hong Kong model and less than independence, so no UN seat, no recognition from major players and no international legitimacy.
Remember, we were at the negotiating table years ago when KiM Albanians rejected everything except independence. You tried everything to get that independence and failed. Now we are back at the negotiating table to find a more realistic compromise.
(Zoran, 18 March 2011 14:33)
Your offer may be good for Vojvodina/Sanxhak and Preshevo , but Kosova has its full independence. Remember one thing, Switzerland was no a member of UN till 2002, and it very well without that membership.
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Serbia used to have a dictator as a president and now has a comedian. Tadic wants a 'historic solution without recognizing Kosovo', and I want to get a monthly salary without working.
(ivan, 18 March 2011, 16:01)
We now know that you and many others like you want to get a monthly salary without working. All I can say is y'all better change your attitudes towards illegal and free money or you'll get your EU walking papers when donkeys fly. And I mean fly,not running fast!
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"Can anyone tell me what areas in the north is inhabited by the Serbs? About Mitrovica city, is it wise to divide a city?"
(fez, 18 March 2011 13:03)
It's not wise, but the city IS already divided. Divided by the Ibar river, which would make a good border between Serbia and Kosovo. The few Albanians in the north could move to core Kosovo (if they don't like to live in Serbia), there must be a lot of empty houses from 1000s of Serbs who were expelled/left Kosovo.
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I have to say, this is probably one of the most balanced, fair and realistic statements I have read concerning Kosovo. I only hope that more on both sides of this issue read this and realise that, despite what many will have you believe, there are those in power who are pragmatic and honest enough to understand the realities and be willing to present a workable approach to the eventual resolution of this whole sorry mess. Well done Mr Tadic and I say that with no political or nationalistic allegiance to either side just an appreciation of a common sense and well presented stance. Lets not now walk backwards and indulge in name calling and ill informed commentry. Lets for once see if it is possible to all make a balanced and even friendly comment to this story. Try it, it might just start something worthwhile! Or am I being too hopeful, we shall see.
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The way I see it is that every time that any Serb politician brings up the "Serbia will never...", a concession will be made to Kosovar side in the upcoming talks. Serbia has no choice but to bend over to the will of EU which, luckily today, happens to be in line with K-Albanian interests.
The issue of plates, the issue of goods coming through the border, air space usage, customs, courts, electricity shortage, telephone lines, railroads etc. etc. all these will be solved in such a way that will be more beneficial to Kosova and in line with the declared independence. If the other way around was true, that is if Serbia wants to do the opposite, there is nothing Serbia needs to do and there would be no reason for dialog.
From the other hand, knowing how paranoid Serb politicians are on accepting the K-reality, we hear constantly the noise of status. It's simply idiotic to think that after all technical issues are solved in line with K-constitution, K-Albanians will sit down and discuss the status. Serb politicians scream that the talks will not jeopardize Serb constitution. The reality is that these talks are doing just that and to cover up the “crime” they are spicing every decision with “Serbia will never recognize Kosova” empty statements.
Please, even a child can see the oxymoron in all this. Tadic is no more than an or
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it would appear that b92 has turned into kosovo. originally it started as the 'cradle' of serbian free press and now has turned into a place where albanians outnumber the serbs on their own ground and spew their xenophobic hate with the 'moderators' turning a blind eye...
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Switzerland's independence was never disputed whereas "Kosova's" has failed.
Like I've said before and it seems KiM-Albanians are happy with what they have.
No UN seat, no international legitimacy, no membership of any international sporting organisation and practically no membership of any international organisation. Currently administered by the US/EU, no army and EULEX overseeing law and order. Currently using Serbia's international telephone code, no control over large parts of territory, Serbian companies operating unhindered in the north and the list goes on.
If you guys think you have nothing to negotiate and you believe "Kosova" is independent then hey, I'm happy with that. It just means that your idea of independence is at a much lower level than mine.
(Zoran, 18 March 2011 17:03)
...just make sure you bring your own passport when you apply for a visa at "Kosovo Embassy" in whichever western country you live. That is if you really care where Kosova is and what happens there. And if your name is really Zoran, you better be prepared to answer few extra questions from K-embassy personnel on the purpose of your trip.
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There already was a "historic Kosova solution"....its called "Independence":)
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The Serbian leadership has put on a new mask, but the “conductor” behind the mask has not changed. The same rhetoric used by Milosevic in Rambuillet, Kostunica in Vienna, and now Tadic in this latest “dialogue” will lead nowhere.
Tadic just stated that a solution acceptable to both sides DOES NOT EXIST, especially since Serbia wants to keep Kosovo a colony – in other words nothing has changed since 1913.
It is obvious that Belgrade is participating in this "dialogue" solely because their route to EU goes through Prishtina. In addition, last year’s IJC suicide has put it in a very tight spot.
It is also obvious that it is not in Prishtina’s interest to continue this dialogue since according to Tadic, “all options are not on the table”.
Therefore, these talks are doomed to fail along with Serbia’s EU membership bid.
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I guess it was just too much to ask that some may read this article and feel even a small amount of positives. Well despite the inevitable back stabbing and petty name calling and blinkered adherance to old positions in spite of anything, I maintain that this statement by Tadic could, if acted on properly and pragmatically, represent a really sound foundation for moving forward. All we need is an open minded will on both sides.
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Funny comparison. Hey, do you know, Taiwan is not an UN member state, too, and doing well. But please don't hope that Kosovo with its African standards will ever reach the wealth of these countries - not in a 100 years :)
(Top, 18 March 2011 16:47)
So what's your point?
Serbia is a UN recognized state and it will never reach the wealth of these countries (Taiwan). Doesn't this tell you precisely that UN membership is not that important afterall?
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However, those representatives are allowed to bravely step forward with ideas that might not be appealing to the whole people, but which could be accepted in the end through a referendum,“ he argued.
So please bravely step forward and show the Serbs the reality that they don't want to see. Whatever the Serbs will ask in N.Kosovo Albanians will ask for in Presevo Valley.Territory exchange? Maybe.
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"it would appear that b92 has turned into kosovo. originally it started as the 'cradle' of serbian free press and now has turned into a place where albanians outnumber the serbs on their own ground and spew their xenophobic hate with the 'moderators' turning a blind eye...
(stari,"
Which Albanians on this site spew xenophobic hate??
On the other hand, have you read any of the posts by highduke, lids, zoran, dragan, peggy, top,.... my finger hurt from all the typing.
Were you talking about xenophobes?
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I think this guy is insane or at least needs to understand what the word solutions means.
(ben, 18 March 2011 13:50)
All he needs to know is the meaning and the power of truth and all that it encompasses, and the solutions will be taken care of,just like they have been thus far.
Truth is beyond personalities and therefore is also beyond the extensions of those personalities--religions, politics, cultures and all beliefs of those personalities that can't get beyond themselves to come together and find solutions that benefit all equally.
Truth is the only path that is always victorious, in which all cultural and religious differences vanish.
People, let go of your differences and see only that which you share! You share that same back door that I do! (Melanie sang that!)
Tadich, stray from the truth and all of your efforts are futile.
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Albanians have their national state - Albania, with capital in Tirana. Albanians in Kosovo-Metohia are no more there a minority in Serbia. Autonomous Province of Kosovo-Metohia wasn't a subject of international relations, neither a territory requested to decolonization. Any ethnic group in Kosovo-Metohia has not right to self-determination. It's the only base for solution.
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Remember, we were at the negotiating table years ago when KiM Albanians rejected everything except independence. You tried everything to get that independence and failed. Now we are back at the negotiating table to find a more realistic compromise.
(Zoran, 18 March 2011 14:33)
Your error is that you say you are back at the negotiating table to find a more realistic compromise, but look who are at the table and no one agrees it is to encompass any type of discussion over indpendence vs whatever. This is evidenced by the fact that only low level unknowns are used to represent the 2 sides.
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To this day, no Serb politician or serb troll on this site has been able to explain how Kosova supose to look based the above; more than autonomy,less than independence!!!
(Agim Kelmendi, 18 March 2011 13:17)
Scotland
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-When asked why he did not apologize to Kosovo Albanians for the crimes that had been committed against them during Milošević's rule, Tadić said that both sides needed to face the crimes before he could apologize.--
i will prefer to ignore all of the usual "we will never recognize...bla bla bla" rhetoric crap, and focus on this issue of apology.
i do not believe for a second that there has yet been any real apology for the horrors perpetrated by serbia (under the milosevic regime). there have been some token words, and an eu-forced "apology" about srebrenica (immediately followed by a motion talking about guilt on "all sides.") as for kosova, absolutely nothing. a horrifying scandal.
instead, the blgd regime harbors 1000s of war criminals not to mention mass murderer mladic.
the message (intended?) is that serbia still does not recognize that it was guilty. and when you speak to "ordinary" people in kosova or bosnia, this is what they believe -- and why not?
anyway, i posed the question once to sonia biserko -- who i greatly respect despite all of the lies and libels about her in this shark tank. i posed the question to her some years ago: when will the serb govt ever show any remorse? when will they apologize? when will they go to srebnenica -- or to sarajevo -- or to kosova, get down on their knees and ask for forgiveness, as willy brandt once did at the warsaw ghetto memorial?
No! she responded (i'm paraphrasing.) it will never happen, not these people, nor would i want them to-- they're not the right ones. if and when a democratic govt takes power -- maybe then. and who knows when that will happen.
it wasn't what i wanted to hear, but as usual, she was right.
we spoke again, briefly, last month. remember the last time you were here (in serbia, a few years ago), she asked. nothing's changed.
i said, yes, i know, i read b-92, religiously :)
always a lot to think about.
thanks.
roberto
frisco
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Mark:
“Whatever the Serbs will ask in N.Kosovo Albanians will ask for in Presevo Valley.Territory exchange? Maybe.” Belgrade controls both, so why would it trade one for the other?
Gumbolaya:
Thx for that. That was funny.
Miri:
Are you for European open borders, or not? Would the Kosova Embassy be north of the Ibar?
The Truth Chicago:
Independent, independent, independent, newborn, independent. Who are you KAlbs trying to convince? Yourselves? The ICO? UNMIK? EULEX? NATO? KFOR? Population N of Ibar? I almost think the KAlbs would not mind if Serbian soldiers and MUP re-entered the rest of Kosmet in exchange for Belgrade renaming Kosmet the “Independent Province of Kosova and Metohija.” Is Montenegro still trying to make the point that it is Independent?
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canadian serb,
read again your history and you will learn that you tried to erase albanians-and were defeated-long before usa did exist.So don't blame USA,but think why we do not want to live with you ,just as all the other people of ex yu,who too do not want to live with you,despite being slavic.
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@ Grzegorz,
Serbs have there national state- Serbia,with capital in Beograd.
Please tell us what is the story of Republic Srpska in the territory of Bosnia.
Me never heard of Srpsk Republic before 90s.
Thanks in advance!
(delon, 20 March 2011 00:43)
The Serbs were a constitutive nation on First and Second Yugoslavia. "Bosnia and Herzegovina" was created in 1945 as a administrative unit of Yugoslavia, i.e. of state of Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, Macedonians and Montenegrians (since 1974 also state of Muslims/Bosniaks). Serbs according to Constitition of Yugoslavia from 1974 had right to self-determination in Bosnia. Albanians were and are minority in state of Southern Slavs.
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Can there be hills behind shores? This is what serbs propose, hills behind shores...
Also...if serbia wants us to apologise for picking up guns and not letting serb army and serbs to slaughter every single one of us, so that we can finaly have ''reconcilation'' between serbs and albanians...no, thank you, we don't want reconcilation. We will never forgive. Saying that we will never forget but we will forgive would be a lie, surely we won't forget and we will never forgive as well...this man is a joke, talking with serbs is lost time...when will tadic understand that Albanians want nothing to do with serbia..as for serbs of Kosovo, they are just 60 thousand, if Presevo Albanians who are 100 thousand have managed to stay in serbia, Mitrovica Serbs will manage to stay in Kosovo...
''both parties commited crime'' theory is just funny...but the theory that ''crimes were individual'' is hilarous...the crimes commited by serbs were sponsored and backed up by the serbian state, milosevic was cheered by the serbian people, milosevic was not just a dictator with no support from the people,if not majority, a great deal of serb supported him, . State is a system, is not run by one individual, and any crimes commited by the state, even if the ''individuals'' running this state change, the state is still held reposible...for instance, in Albania, even though the current state is democratic system by definiton, it still is reponsile for the crimes commited by the former communist state, so, our state not only had to apologise, but also is compelled to compesate the people involved for the unjustices of the past, ...for instance, current german state, has nothing to do with the ww2, but Germany is still obliged to pay compesation to israel (a state which was founded in 1948 and did not even exist in ww2), because by princple of state, the responsibilty of mistakes is not attributed to ''individuals'' but is attributed to the system, even if this sytem is different from the previous system..
Yet i don't understand something. After all what appened in 1999 how can Serbia propose ''less than indipendence more than autonomy''...the ''less than ..more than...'' is like making fun with people's intiligence, any expert on politics and international relation would laugh with tears when hearing such thing...especially after revealing that survey, according to which 53% of serbs in 2011 still think mladic was a serb hero.
(iliri, 19 March 2011 14:18)
1. There were very, very few war crimes in Kosovo, the vast majority was proven popoganda.
2. They were never sponsored by the State, this was proven in court.
3. Albanian war crimes were far greater then Serbian ones, Cutting women's children out of their mothers stomachs, kidnapping people to sell their organs. Unlike the alledged Serbian crimes, those ones are officially documented.
4. Milosevic was no dictator, he was freely voted in, and freely voted out, opposition parties were even encouraged by him.
5. That means Albania has to compensate Serbia
6. Anyone who isnt an idiot , when hearing the phrase "Less then Independence, more then autononomy" would think Scotland, N. Ireland or Hong Kong,
7. After the events from 1998 to the present day Kosovo shouldnt even be granted Autonomy if you use that logic
8. You consider Hashim Thaci a hero, even though he ousted Dr Mengele in terms of crimes
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"it would appear that b92 has turned into kosovo. originally it started as the 'cradle' of serbian free press and now has turned into a place where albanians outnumber the serbs on their own ground and spew their xenophobic hate with the 'moderators' turning a blind eye...
(stari,"
Which Albanians on this site spew xenophobic hate??
On the other hand, have you read any of the posts by highduke, lids, zoran, dragan, peggy, top,.... my finger hurt from all the typing.
Were you talking about xenophobes?
(Metrod, 18 March 2011 23:34)
Apart from perhaps Ratko, the Serbian posts arent rascist and have some basis, While Amer once managed to get "Wipe the Serbs from the face of the earth, SEING HEIL!" posted here
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And if your name is really Zoran, you better be prepared to answer few extra questions from K-embassy personnel on the purpose of your trip.
(miri, 18 March 2011 18:54)
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I live in Serbia miri and to get to KiM I just show them my licna karta at the northern administrative points, assuming someone is there, otherwise it's straight through. I assume you've never been to those check points?
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Can there be hills behind shores? This is what serbs propose, hills behind shores...
Also...if serbia wants us to apologise for picking up guns and not letting serb army and serbs to slaughter every single one of us, so that we can finaly have ''reconcilation'' between serbs and albanians...no, thank you, we don't want reconcilation. We will never forgive. Saying that we will never forget but we will forgive would be a lie, surely we won't forget and we will never forgive as well...this man is a joke, talking with serbs is lost time...when will tadic understand that Albanians want nothing to do with serbia..as for serbs of Kosovo, they are just 60 thousand, if Presevo Albanians who are 100 thousand have managed to stay in serbia, Mitrovica Serbs will manage to stay in Kosovo...
''both parties commited crime'' theory is just funny...but the theory that ''crimes were individual'' is hilarous...the crimes commited by serbs were sponsored and backed up by the serbian state, milosevic was cheered by the serbian people, milosevic was not just a dictator with no support from the people,if not majority, a great deal of serb supported him, . State is a system, is not run by one individual, and any crimes commited by the state, even if the ''individuals'' running this state change, the state is still held reposible...for instance, in Albania, even though the current state is democratic system by definiton, it still is reponsile for the crimes commited by the former communist state, so, our state not only had to apologise, but also is compelled to compesate the people involved for the unjustices of the past, ...for instance, current german state, has nothing to do with the ww2, but Germany is still obliged to pay compesation to israel (a state which was founded in 1948 and did not even exist in ww2), because by princple of state, the responsibilty of mistakes is not attributed to ''individuals'' but is attributed to the system, even if this sytem is different from the previous system..
Yet i don't understand something. After all what appened in 1999 how can Serbia propose ''less than indipendence more than autonomy''...the ''less than ..more than...'' is like making fun with people's intiligence, any expert on politics and international relation would laugh with tears when hearing such thing...especially after revealing that survey, according to which 53% of serbs in 2011 still think mladic was a serb hero.
pre 13 godina
Albanian 'minority' in former yougoslavia, consisted of roughly 50% of Albanian nation...Now, Kosovo consists of roughly 30% of toal number of Albanians...still, it is a big persentage.
pre 13 godina
@ Grzegorz,
Serbs have there national state- Serbia,with capital in Beograd.
Please tell us what is the story of Republic Srpska in the territory of Bosnia.
Me never heard of Srpsk Republic before 90s.
Thanks in advance!
pre 13 godina
To this day, no Serb politician or serb troll on this site has been able to explain how Kosova supose to look based the above; more than autonomy,less than independence!!!
(Agim Kelmendi, 18 March 2011 13:17)
Scotland
(John, 18 March 2011 21:43)
Care to explain how Scotland has more than autonomy but less than independence? Scotland has less powers than US states do.
pre 13 godina
Who cares if Kosova is recognized from Serbia or not. In three years is recognized by 75 states including most of democratic states. We need 50 more and that is a matter of time. So is clear that time is in Kosova side and not Serbias prejudiced state. So Tadic in mean time you can talk no sense as much as you want.
pre 13 godina
He believes that the solution must not be such that one side wins everything while the other loses everything.
sad sad sad, Serbia has nothing, can Lose nothing.
serbia did it utmost to steal what it could while HIDING under the guise of yugoslavia.
it failed.
it is utter and complete delusion that fools like this hold to the idea that they will ever be able to negotiate a theft where force and violence already failed.
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@Grzegorz, 19 March 2011 17:45)
So what if there is an Albanian state?
the Balkans are riddled with several SLAV states.
whats the problem?
It makes absolutley no sense for you to approach it with that logic
pre 13 godina
@(Grzegorz, 20 March 2011 15:02)
it was slobodan milosovic...then president of serbia NOT yugoslavia that ursurped the Federal representation and powers within the federal govt. of YUGOSLAVIA of kosovo and vojvodina...
using force and violence to do so... that serbia so blatantly destroyed what yugoslavia was, in effect, serbs could revise, rewrite, reinvent yugoslav laws on a whim as if everyone else should have been magically beholden to it?
it is always amusing to see serb apologists lacking enough cognitive ability to realize they should do all they can to avoid speaking of what yugoslav laws were.
serbs attempted a theft and power grab within the former yugoslavia. Reduced it to veneer that milosovic and serbs proudly HID behind to perpetrate their attempted theft.
It failed.
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John, your comment made me realise, that, we will never give up our revenge, it is in our mentallity afterall....someday, the Albanian sufferings will be revenged, blood can be washed only by blood...never forget that. What we started in Prizren more than 130 years ago, is not over.
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