Montenegro still unhappy with Serbia's strategy

crno gorci and srbi are one and the same.

"Montenegro is 100% right. Serbs can't never be trusted. Even Stipe Mesic said something about this.
(ivan, 16 March 2011, 16:13)"

Ivan,

The fact that Mesic said this means that the opposite is true. In addition, the fact that you quote Mesic says a lot about you too, but you are proving that on a daily base with your comments.

Montenegro is 100% right. Serbs can't never be trusted. Even Stipe Mesic said something about this.
(ivan, 16 March 2011 16:13) oh boy a Albanian talking about trust your known to America as a terrorist nation and yet america helped you in 99 so you have very little say about this word trust because your trust is gone and not coming back and if you dont know the Serbs are about 40% of the population SO nobody cares about the gangster government there and for sure nobody cares about a alabnian giving a foolish opinion that nobody cares about. and if you dont know albania has its own problem with the 35% none albanian population in that little country so worry there.

why would they be unhappy dont they know already that Serbs are about 40% of the population and we all know montenegrins are Serbs because i am one of them but anyway they should give full rights to the Serbs in all ways because the Serbs are a big population in montenegro and the so called montengrins are decreasing and they will be a minority in that province(montenegro) anyway soon so then the Serbs should separate where they are majority which is about 40% of the province and unite with serbia which it could happen if they really want too.now for croatia the Serbs should have full rights and there is over 300,000 Serbs in the krajina region and the other approximate 500,000 that are in bosnia and in serbia from the krajina region want their homes rebuilt and also compensated which is fair and they could ask America for help with the funds since it was them that forced the Serbs out and not the croats we know who did what, but the croats got the full blame of it but anyway and krajina then should get full autonomy and possible independence to join serbia and the republika srpska because krajina was serbian lands in history not croatia just like the other parts of croatia was Italian and not crotian and the italians want their lands back because those parts of croatia was given to Yugoslavia and there is no more Yugoslavia so that contract is over so the italians could claim the coast if they want too at any time...

Montenegro is 100% right. Serbs can't never be trusted. Even Stipe Mesic said something about this.

Ivan, go bother someone else with your unrelated comments. You are here only to troll/bother us, not to give comments that contribute positively in any way. The current comment is not helpful in any way, nor is it related to the article.



Djilas - an old commie, probably the top Montenegrin in Yugoslavia after WWII said... while not all serbs are montenegrins, all montenegrins are serbs.

ivan said, "Serbs can't never be trusted."

ivan...you "can't never" be taken seriously. Your generalizations have no place in a civilized world.

krajina then should get full autonomy and possible independence to join serbia and the republika srpska because krajina was serbian lands in history not croatia. (frank, 16 March 2011 16:29) Come and get it dupes of Belgrade Serbia lets remember how it ended last time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCjQGdun3yQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL . It looks like Serbs are as usual looking for more conflict and enemies what is new.

why would they be unhappy dont they know already that Serbs are about 40% of the population and we all know montenegrins are Serbs because i am one of them but anyway they should give full rights to the Serbs in all ways because the Serbs are a big population in montenegro and the so called montengrins are decreasing and they will be a minority in that province(montenegro) anyway soon so then the Serbs should separate where they are majority which is about 40% of the province and unite with serbia which it could happen if they really want too.now for croatia the Serbs should have full rights and there is over 300,000 Serbs in the krajina region and the other approximate 500,000 that are in bosnia and in serbia from the krajina region want their homes rebuilt and also compensated which is fair and they could ask America for help with the funds since it was them that forced the Serbs out and not the croats we know who did what, but the croats got the full blame of it but anyway and krajina then should get full autonomy and possible independence to join serbia and the republika srpska because krajina was serbian lands in history not croatia just like the other parts of croatia was Italian and not crotian and the italians want their lands back because those parts of croatia was given to Yugoslavia and there is no more Yugoslavia so that contract is over so the italians could claim the coast if they want too at any time...
(frank, 16 March 2011 16:29)

wow, I don't know how you managed to writte without taking a deep breath once in the while, becasue I was unable to read it. No commos, periods or what have you.

Having said that, I must tell you that Montenegrians are not same as Serbs. Montengro was a kingdom way before Serbia. Their dialect is different, even though is slavik language. Montenegrians grow taller compare to Serbs, and so on...
But, if they are the same and one as you calim, why not live under the same roof???

I myself am a Montenegrin and Montenegrins are Serbs!Nothing else,period!
This artificial border between brothers will be abolished once the drug and cigarette smuggling gangster government of Djukanovic falls...

Frank and Roger have a very similar writing style, and both remind me a lot of Gajo, whom I think of as sort of a crnogorci rapper.

But that's beside the point.

Could someone please tell me what so critical is at stake here? Are Montenegrins wishing to call themselves Serbs (and also Serbs who've migrated to Montenegro) going to get much from being a constituent nation? And if they were not to be granted that status, would they really be under any kind of threat? What's the worst that can happen? That the official language taught in Niksic schools would no longer be referred to as Serbian, but Montenegrin?

And why does Podgorica care so much? Are they worried that the next demand would be autonomy as precursor to secession -- and inspiring similar demands from Albanians, Muslims and Croats? For those of us who don't keep up with the Montenegrin news, a little background would be useful.

As an aside, it would be kind of funny to see what CG would like after all the constituent nations left. You'd probably have trouble fitting the ten remaining citizens into it.

Agim, I don't think it's fair to try to draw an ethnic line between Montenegrins and Serbs. The Balkans are so ethnically mixed that it's hard to call anyone purely this or that. I don't know the accuracy of DNA testing, but just imagine if they were capable of pinpointing genetic signatures down to an ethnic group. How would someone from Skopje test? Or from Split? Just imagine the ethnic compositions you'd find...Celtic, Roman, Hellenic, Illyrian, Thracian, Dacian, Gothic, Slavic, Bulgar, Avar, Magyar...ethnic purity is nothing more than a convenient notion, proven by the wide diversity of physical characteristics found in Balkan peoples.

Agim, I simply adore how you just informed Frank, the Montenegrin, about our history and culture. Amazing, tell me more, I completely forgot what that Njegos guy wrote about Kosovo...

My clan is a mixed Montenegrin\Albanian clan, so I'm really confused about identity, ha ha.

I supported independence BECAUSE I supported a restoration of our king (like in UK or Japan - NOT Saudi Arabia).

Personally, what worries me is a larger split between Serbs and Montenegrins. Some days, the situation makes me want to cry, my wife is Serbian after all and there's already so much bad blood in the region.

I mean, why make "Montenegrin" the official language, when 65% of the population claim to speak Serbian? Is the Montenegrin dialect all that much different than the dialect spoken by Bosnian Serbs?

I understand the desire for Serbs to feel an obligation to protect the Serbian population from the current corrupt Montenegrin government, there certainly seems to be a lot of bad vibes coming from the last surviving communist leader in the region. However, I wish they had taken the opposite approach.

Am I proud to be Montenegrin? Hell yeah, we rock. Am I proud to be Serbian? Absolutely. Having to pick one identity over the other isn't really fair, and goes against our traditions and culture.

What would Njegos say?

Djilas - an old commie, probably the top Montenegrin in Yugoslavia after WWII said... while not all serbs are montenegrins, all montenegrins are serbs.
(Lazar, 16 March 2011 17:23)

Apparently the Montenegrins dont think so.

Have a nice day :)

I agree with Nenad that it probably doesn't make much sense to talk about Serbs and Montenegrins as separate ethnicities (the same applies to the three so-called constituent peoples in BiH), it makes sense though looking at Montenegrins as a nation for which 'Orthodox Serbdom' plays a smaller or larger component part in their self-identification.

These identities, and the importance of that Serb component, have shifted, and will shift over time. Since the majority of Orthodox Slavs in Montenegro see their Orthodox brethren in Serbia proper as their closest kin, it was only natural that during the conflict and wars of the 90ies that a larger number of Montenegrins felt more Serb, simply because they were exposed to a massive propaganda machine from both Belgrade, Podgorica and the SPC in Cetinje to mobilise their 'Serbness'. This I believe, can at least partly explain why only about 10% of the population in Montenegro at the outset of the conflict declared their identity as first and foremost Serb, while I decade later, this number had risen to over 30%. The number of those who declared themselves as first and foremost Montenegrin fell similarly over the same period to just above 40% (this happened without any major movement of people across the border to account for the shift) meaning that no nation could claim to hold a numerical majority in the newly independent country.

Apart from a temporary boost in feeling Serb among the Montenegrins at the time of Kosovo UDI, I expect that the new census again will make Montenegrins the majority nation. This does not, however, mean that they do not also, to a differing degree also feel Serb. What is clear is that a majority of the Orthodox population in Montenegro reject the Belgrade-centric nationalist notion that there is no such thing as being Montenegrin, and that anybody who feels Montenegrin is either a traitor or a dumb-witted victim of some sort of a Western conspiracy...

Having said that, I must tell you that Montenegrians are not same as Serbs. Montengro was a kingdom way before Serbia. Their dialect is different, even though is slavik language. Montenegrians grow taller compare to Serbs, and so on...
But, if they are the same and one as you calim, why not live under the same roof???

Agim Stop trolling man.
Montenegro was never taken by the ottomans, And before the ottomans came MNE was just part of Serbia. and before that a Serbian state:Zeta
Until WW2 90-95% was Serbian in MNE.
Tito and commies are the blame for introducing new ethnicyties.
their reason for making montenegrin was that Serbs in montenegro are different Serbs then other Serbs.
IMO a stupid reason.
But the power is in the peoples hands if the people in MNE feel montenegrin (for political reasons)then so be it... but they are and will just be Serbian and nothing else.

Montenegro is 100% right. Serbs can't never be trusted. Even Stipe Mesic said something about this.

why would they be unhappy dont they know already that Serbs are about 40% of the population and we all know montenegrins are Serbs because i am one of them but anyway they should give full rights to the Serbs in all ways because the Serbs are a big population in montenegro and the so called montengrins are decreasing and they will be a minority in that province(montenegro) anyway soon so then the Serbs should separate where they are majority which is about 40% of the province and unite with serbia which it could happen if they really want too.now for croatia the Serbs should have full rights and there is over 300,000 Serbs in the krajina region and the other approximate 500,000 that are in bosnia and in serbia from the krajina region want their homes rebuilt and also compensated which is fair and they could ask America for help with the funds since it was them that forced the Serbs out and not the croats we know who did what, but the croats got the full blame of it but anyway and krajina then should get full autonomy and possible independence to join serbia and the republika srpska because krajina was serbian lands in history not croatia just like the other parts of croatia was Italian and not crotian and the italians want their lands back because those parts of croatia was given to Yugoslavia and there is no more Yugoslavia so that contract is over so the italians could claim the coast if they want too at any time...

"Montenegro is 100% right. Serbs can't never be trusted. Even Stipe Mesic said something about this.
(ivan, 16 March 2011, 16:13)"

Ivan,

The fact that Mesic said this means that the opposite is true. In addition, the fact that you quote Mesic says a lot about you too, but you are proving that on a daily base with your comments.

why would they be unhappy dont they know already that Serbs are about 40% of the population and we all know montenegrins are Serbs because i am one of them but anyway they should give full rights to the Serbs in all ways because the Serbs are a big population in montenegro and the so called montengrins are decreasing and they will be a minority in that province(montenegro) anyway soon so then the Serbs should separate where they are majority which is about 40% of the province and unite with serbia which it could happen if they really want too.now for croatia the Serbs should have full rights and there is over 300,000 Serbs in the krajina region and the other approximate 500,000 that are in bosnia and in serbia from the krajina region want their homes rebuilt and also compensated which is fair and they could ask America for help with the funds since it was them that forced the Serbs out and not the croats we know who did what, but the croats got the full blame of it but anyway and krajina then should get full autonomy and possible independence to join serbia and the republika srpska because krajina was serbian lands in history not croatia just like the other parts of croatia was Italian and not crotian and the italians want their lands back because those parts of croatia was given to Yugoslavia and there is no more Yugoslavia so that contract is over so the italians could claim the coast if they want too at any time...
(frank, 16 March 2011 16:29)

wow, I don't know how you managed to writte without taking a deep breath once in the while, becasue I was unable to read it. No commos, periods or what have you.

Having said that, I must tell you that Montenegrians are not same as Serbs. Montengro was a kingdom way before Serbia. Their dialect is different, even though is slavik language. Montenegrians grow taller compare to Serbs, and so on...
But, if they are the same and one as you calim, why not live under the same roof???

krajina then should get full autonomy and possible independence to join serbia and the republika srpska because krajina was serbian lands in history not croatia. (frank, 16 March 2011 16:29) Come and get it dupes of Belgrade Serbia lets remember how it ended last time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCjQGdun3yQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL . It looks like Serbs are as usual looking for more conflict and enemies what is new.

Montenegro is 100% right. Serbs can't never be trusted. Even Stipe Mesic said something about this.
(ivan, 16 March 2011 16:13) oh boy a Albanian talking about trust your known to America as a terrorist nation and yet america helped you in 99 so you have very little say about this word trust because your trust is gone and not coming back and if you dont know the Serbs are about 40% of the population SO nobody cares about the gangster government there and for sure nobody cares about a alabnian giving a foolish opinion that nobody cares about. and if you dont know albania has its own problem with the 35% none albanian population in that little country so worry there.

crno gorci and srbi are one and the same.

Ivan, go bother someone else with your unrelated comments. You are here only to troll/bother us, not to give comments that contribute positively in any way. The current comment is not helpful in any way, nor is it related to the article.



Djilas - an old commie, probably the top Montenegrin in Yugoslavia after WWII said... while not all serbs are montenegrins, all montenegrins are serbs.

I myself am a Montenegrin and Montenegrins are Serbs!Nothing else,period!
This artificial border between brothers will be abolished once the drug and cigarette smuggling gangster government of Djukanovic falls...

ivan said, "Serbs can't never be trusted."

ivan...you "can't never" be taken seriously. Your generalizations have no place in a civilized world.

Djilas - an old commie, probably the top Montenegrin in Yugoslavia after WWII said... while not all serbs are montenegrins, all montenegrins are serbs.
(Lazar, 16 March 2011 17:23)

Apparently the Montenegrins dont think so.

Have a nice day :)

I agree with Nenad that it probably doesn't make much sense to talk about Serbs and Montenegrins as separate ethnicities (the same applies to the three so-called constituent peoples in BiH), it makes sense though looking at Montenegrins as a nation for which 'Orthodox Serbdom' plays a smaller or larger component part in their self-identification.

These identities, and the importance of that Serb component, have shifted, and will shift over time. Since the majority of Orthodox Slavs in Montenegro see their Orthodox brethren in Serbia proper as their closest kin, it was only natural that during the conflict and wars of the 90ies that a larger number of Montenegrins felt more Serb, simply because they were exposed to a massive propaganda machine from both Belgrade, Podgorica and the SPC in Cetinje to mobilise their 'Serbness'. This I believe, can at least partly explain why only about 10% of the population in Montenegro at the outset of the conflict declared their identity as first and foremost Serb, while I decade later, this number had risen to over 30%. The number of those who declared themselves as first and foremost Montenegrin fell similarly over the same period to just above 40% (this happened without any major movement of people across the border to account for the shift) meaning that no nation could claim to hold a numerical majority in the newly independent country.

Apart from a temporary boost in feeling Serb among the Montenegrins at the time of Kosovo UDI, I expect that the new census again will make Montenegrins the majority nation. This does not, however, mean that they do not also, to a differing degree also feel Serb. What is clear is that a majority of the Orthodox population in Montenegro reject the Belgrade-centric nationalist notion that there is no such thing as being Montenegrin, and that anybody who feels Montenegrin is either a traitor or a dumb-witted victim of some sort of a Western conspiracy...

Frank and Roger have a very similar writing style, and both remind me a lot of Gajo, whom I think of as sort of a crnogorci rapper.

But that's beside the point.

Could someone please tell me what so critical is at stake here? Are Montenegrins wishing to call themselves Serbs (and also Serbs who've migrated to Montenegro) going to get much from being a constituent nation? And if they were not to be granted that status, would they really be under any kind of threat? What's the worst that can happen? That the official language taught in Niksic schools would no longer be referred to as Serbian, but Montenegrin?

And why does Podgorica care so much? Are they worried that the next demand would be autonomy as precursor to secession -- and inspiring similar demands from Albanians, Muslims and Croats? For those of us who don't keep up with the Montenegrin news, a little background would be useful.

As an aside, it would be kind of funny to see what CG would like after all the constituent nations left. You'd probably have trouble fitting the ten remaining citizens into it.

Agim, I don't think it's fair to try to draw an ethnic line between Montenegrins and Serbs. The Balkans are so ethnically mixed that it's hard to call anyone purely this or that. I don't know the accuracy of DNA testing, but just imagine if they were capable of pinpointing genetic signatures down to an ethnic group. How would someone from Skopje test? Or from Split? Just imagine the ethnic compositions you'd find...Celtic, Roman, Hellenic, Illyrian, Thracian, Dacian, Gothic, Slavic, Bulgar, Avar, Magyar...ethnic purity is nothing more than a convenient notion, proven by the wide diversity of physical characteristics found in Balkan peoples.

Agim, I simply adore how you just informed Frank, the Montenegrin, about our history and culture. Amazing, tell me more, I completely forgot what that Njegos guy wrote about Kosovo...

My clan is a mixed Montenegrin\Albanian clan, so I'm really confused about identity, ha ha.

I supported independence BECAUSE I supported a restoration of our king (like in UK or Japan - NOT Saudi Arabia).

Personally, what worries me is a larger split between Serbs and Montenegrins. Some days, the situation makes me want to cry, my wife is Serbian after all and there's already so much bad blood in the region.

I mean, why make "Montenegrin" the official language, when 65% of the population claim to speak Serbian? Is the Montenegrin dialect all that much different than the dialect spoken by Bosnian Serbs?

I understand the desire for Serbs to feel an obligation to protect the Serbian population from the current corrupt Montenegrin government, there certainly seems to be a lot of bad vibes coming from the last surviving communist leader in the region. However, I wish they had taken the opposite approach.

Am I proud to be Montenegrin? Hell yeah, we rock. Am I proud to be Serbian? Absolutely. Having to pick one identity over the other isn't really fair, and goes against our traditions and culture.

What would Njegos say?

Having said that, I must tell you that Montenegrians are not same as Serbs. Montengro was a kingdom way before Serbia. Their dialect is different, even though is slavik language. Montenegrians grow taller compare to Serbs, and so on...
But, if they are the same and one as you calim, why not live under the same roof???

Agim Stop trolling man.
Montenegro was never taken by the ottomans, And before the ottomans came MNE was just part of Serbia. and before that a Serbian state:Zeta
Until WW2 90-95% was Serbian in MNE.
Tito and commies are the blame for introducing new ethnicyties.
their reason for making montenegrin was that Serbs in montenegro are different Serbs then other Serbs.
IMO a stupid reason.
But the power is in the peoples hands if the people in MNE feel montenegrin (for political reasons)then so be it... but they are and will just be Serbian and nothing else.