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Sunday, 13.03.2011.

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“Talks bad for Kosovo”

Kosovo opposition party Self-Determination Movement has started a campaign against Belgrade-Priština talks.

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iliri

pre 13 godina

''"Also Edita Tahiri pointed out yesterday that Belgrades stance towards Kosovo is the same as in the past.
(Demi, 13 March 2011 16:21)

Wasn't it the Albanian side that insisted that the dialogue is not about the status, but only about about 'technical issues'?
And the EU, as the organization who started the talk, said that it's status neutral. So Kosovo can claim that they are 'independent', Serbia will say that 'Kosovo is part of Serbia'.
(Top, 13 March 2011 16:59) ''

Yes, the talks are not about the status, because the status is already settled. What Edita is saying is that Belgrade ''stance towards Kosovo is the same as in the past''. Which means that in technical issues, Serbian stance remains the same. Anyway, Edita is only doing her job by reminding Serbs that talks would make more progress if Serbia reckognised Kosovo... Belgrade should have thought well before crying like a baby to the icj...

iliri

pre 13 godina

I always thought Skanderbeg was Greek...if Serbs really think Skanderbeg was a Serb, why don't they build a statue of him in Belgrade? Or perhaps in Presevo ?

Let it all hang out!!!

pre 13 godina

Jim = 10+ Highly recommended!Will read again. A+++++++++++++++++++++++


2) Before you criticise B92 for giving anyone a soapbox, you might want to consider that this is one of the only sites where people from across the region are given a chance to air a variety of views and engage with one another. Just try posting a Serbian, or non-Albanian, perspective at any of the Albanian sites. It will not be published. Go on, try and see what I mean. At least B92 provides a forum for discussion. You may not like what you hear, but at least views can be aired. This does not happen on the other side of the debate.

Zoti

pre 13 godina

I suspect half of them are Albanian trolls in any case. highduke definitely is - even the most disturbed gastarbejter "patriot" doesn't believe that fantastical rubbish.
(Dave, 14 March 2011)

Yes because an Albanian would be so demented as to have a website so he could pass for a Serb
http://reocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7681/

Get a life Dave.

kate

pre 13 godina

@ "Ralph Owens" - Why are you posting under an English sounding name when your actual use of English illustrates that you speak another language as your first.

Jim

pre 13 godina

Ralph Owens - 2 points:

1) You might want to also note that some of the very worst excesses of Albanian nationalism can also be found here. Before you start pointing the finger at Serbs, you might might also want to consider the likes of Ben and AdamNYC (two of the most troubled and troubling individual you'll find here), EA, PSS, Fushta et al. Then there are the other regional nationalist fan clubs led by the likes of Joe and Ivan. This is far from a Serb issue.

2) Before you criticise B92 for giving anyone a soapbox, you might want to consider that this is one of the only sites where people from across the region are given a chance to air a variety of views and engage with one another. Just try posting a Serbian, or non-Albanian, perspective at any of the Albanian sites. It will not be published. Go on, try and see what I mean. At least B92 provides a forum for discussion. You may not like what you hear, but at least views can be aired. This does not happen on the other side of the debate.

I am not sure whether you are new here, or have been lurking for a while, but if anyone is a troll here, it would appear to be you.

Top

pre 13 godina

"What support does Kosova get from EU? Other than 10,000 EURO a month 'consultants'? No visa, no EU plan membership so they can take a hike."
(EU = Fail, 13 March 2011 16:44)

Some billions of aid, maybe? EULEX being there trying hard to install democratic judicial structures where the only laws seem to be tribal loyality and omerta? Most EU members even supported the independence. About visa, EU membership: How should the EU grant access to Schengen visa as long as the several mafia groups in Kosovo (with the help of the corrupt government) are busy with human and drug trafficking, and there's no border protection between Albania? EU membership can only happen once all EU member states recognize Kosovo, which will only happen if the unilateral independece will be turned into a mutual agreed independence.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Dear B92,

Allowing the likes of sj, highduke, Zmaj, winston, Mike C. and other to make such comments only reinforces the poor image Serbs have world wide. Perhaps this is what you want achieve, in that case, keep up the good work.
(Ralph Owens, 14 March 2011 03:30)
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I see what you are trying to do. A very poor attempt at trying to silence the Serbs.
So if you don't say what I want to hear you must be a nut and you bring shame to your own people.

Very funny. Not effective but funny.

Dave

pre 13 godina

Allowing the likes of sj, highduke, Zmaj, winston, Mike C. and other to make such comments only reinforces the poor image Serbs have world wide. Perhaps this is what you want achieve, in that case, keep up the good work.
(Ralph Owens, 14 March 2011 03:30)

I suspect half of them are Albanian trolls in any case. highduke definitely is - even the most disturbed gastarbejter "patriot" doesn't believe that fantastical rubbish.

Ralph Owens

pre 13 godina

Dear B92,

Allowing the likes of sj, highduke, Zmaj, winston, Mike C. and other to make such comments only reinforces the poor image Serbs have world wide. Perhaps this is what you want achieve, in that case, keep up the good work.

Kosovar and Metohiar

pre 13 godina

Let the state (Serbia) and the province (Kosovo) talk!
(Ron, 13 March 2011 19:36)

It's the province of Kosovo and Metohija, and not the province of Kosovo. Metohija means land of monasteries. The West has you parroting like the rest of the world that never heard of "Kosovo" by conveniently dropping Metohija and using only Kosovo. That way the Western politicians won't have to answer and explain to all of us why they were involved with former terrorists, the KLA mafia, alleged human traffickers, organ harvesters and Europe's biggest heroin suppliers in stealing Serbia's land of monasteries.
Those that look to deceive and hide the truth will fail. Simply because nothing good can come out of those kinds of wishes.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

What support does Kosova get from EU? Other than 10,000 EURO a month 'consultants'? No visa, no EU plan membership so they can take a hike.
(EU = Fail, 13 March 2011 16:44)
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You really can't see the contribution Europe has given Kosovo?
Fine, Europe goes away and Serbia steps in and taken Kosovo back. This time with much less than it is offering now.
What are you going to do? How long can KLA hold out against Serbian army without any support from Europe, i.e. NATO?
Get real.

sj

pre 13 godina

Wait a minute,how can a superpower be occupied? If Russia was under occupation than, rest assured is still under occupation. Check the loan you are getting from Putin, is not in Rubels but in USD. Ye , you are right, Russia is powerless to this day.
(Agim Kelmendi, 13 March 2011 17:00)

Russia was “occupied” during the 1990s. Read up on Strobe Talbot’s role in Russia during the bombing of Kosovo. He was there to make sure that Yeltsin complied otherwise no IMF loans and Russians would have starved then chaos. The US did not occupy Russia militarily, but something even more terrible – it occupied it financially. It’s something Serbia will do with the former parts of Yugoslavia.
Two things changed Russia dramatically – Putin and oil/gas. Russia is a re-emerging power thanks to Valdimir Putin because he kicked out all the foreigners working to drain his country dry together with the likes of Abramovich.
Another point is that Ghaddafi will return to power and by God have you Americans made another blunder – this one could be the biggest in world history. This has only entrenched him further into Russia’s sphere of influence ha, ha, ha.

JohnBoy

pre 13 godina

It's funny to read descriptions of the fantasy world these k-albos live in. They want and expect
1) kosovo to be a member of the UN
2) kosovo to be a member of the eu
3) kosovo to continue to operate their criminal clans and ghoulish organ trades.

They expect this from the western part of the world that is drowning in debt. Over 9% of their superhero americans are unemployed and another 5% have stopped looking for work and are not counted in the unemployment statistic. And these k-albos expect america to continue to subsidize their criminal activities.

Part 2) is the funniest one. Turkey contributed much to HATO in keeping the Soviet Union out of the rest of europe and Turkey can't get into the eu because of prejudism against muslims. If Turkey can't get in, albania will never get in and kosovo is out of the question. The only way the kosovo province could get into the eu is as a part of Serbia and everybody knows it. (If albania wants to get in, it should start calling itself "western FYROM" ... This would be no loss of national pride, macedonia is a made-up name anyway)

I suspect that is what the Serbian negotiators are telling the eu at these talks. They say, "We offer kosovo one last chance to join the Serbian boat into the eu, take it or leave it". After the k-albo rejection, Vuk will ask the UNGA to pass the condemnation of the udi because they are too stupid to get independence.

Wim Roffel

pre 13 godina

Albanians like to stress Serbia's claims to Kosovo as driven by naked nationalism, but it is no secret that Serbia's position is for an important part motivated by the position of the Serb minority in Kosovo. And that is something were Kosovo can do a lot.

Unfortunately Kosovo keeps following a mafia-style "facts-on-ground" policy instead of trying to find a concensual solution. As long as this policy continues it is stupid to expect that Serbia will change its position.

JC.Stennis

pre 13 godina

Vetvendosje just insert some pressure, that all. Talks are not that bad, but they are partially right. It must be prevented that Serbia gets rewarded while gets nothing from the EU. From that perspective it is got to see that they create some "trouble".

Jim

pre 13 godina

Go on, Demi, let Kosovo walk away then! Don't forget that Kosovo only exists with EU and US support. Don't start believing your own independence hype. Also, you need the practical benefits far more than Serbia. Don't forget that Serbia is a fully recognised state that can interact freely with the rest of the world. You aren't, and can't. So, huff and puff and bring down the dialogue and see what happens. It will not be pretty.

It really is high time KAs started to realise that their threats are no longer going to work. People have caught on to this game. It is time to show some moderation and learn how to compromise.

roberto

pre 13 godina

-Also Edita Tahiri pointed out yesterday that Belgrades stance towards Kosovo is the same as in the past. The dialoug will not succed if belgrade dosent change its destructive stance towards the independent Kosovo. (demi)-

I totally agree, demi. there is no hope for success unless the blgd regime undergoes a sea change in its attitude, which i do not see coming.

i do think that Edita has been doing a terrific job, as sonia biserko predicted.
sitting across from those "nice" reps of the belgrade regime, who had to temporarily be on their best behavior under the watchful eye of europe (ship up or leave!)

But that table, with the berlin wall of water bottles and cups of cookies, is just too much. i do hope that some smart young people of the balkans are having a bit of fun satirizing that table, the humor is just pregnant with possibilities...

personally, i am not opposed to such talks in THeory. i've supported them in the past, but with the political arrest and persecution of our frnd general divjak, my support, for the moment, has evaporated. nonetheless, i have often listed very strong reasons for talks, since we have a lot to say to the other side. say, and demand. all of the things we have discussed: opening of the mass graves, uncovering all the specs of the war crimes, prosecution of thousands of "their" war criminals, arrest and extradition of mass murderer mladic, uncovering the details of the cover-up of the industrialized burning of albanian bodies -- really the list is endless. so for me there is a point to talks, but not at this moment.

speaking of general divjak, i finally have my 1st t-shirt, a wonderful graphic of jovan with a child he helped to save during the war: Jovan Divjak, beloved hero of Sarajevo. it's actually rather moving, i think. only (personal) issue: i ordered size small, so if i gain even one pound i'm in serious trouble.

probably my next 2 shirts (for gifts) will follow the bosnian style, a simple: Sara-Jova. ready, hopefully, for my upcoming visit.

thanks demi, as always, for your contribution.

roberto
frisco

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

At least Russia was under occupation & couldn't help (highduke),

Wait a minute,how can a superpower be occupied? If Russia was under occupation than, rest assured is still under occupation. Check the loan you are getting from Putin, is not in Rubels but in USD. Ye , you are right, Russia is powerless to this day.

Top

pre 13 godina

"KFOR withdrawl 'coincided' with inking the S.Stream. No coincidence then and none now that the UK pulling aid from E.Europe, the aggression on Libya & re-integration negotiations happened in succession.
(highduke, 13 March 2011 16:00)
Always nice to read the South stream story. South stream, the project that is as real as Kosovo's independence: Only existing in some people's dream, with only a small chance to become reality ;-)

Top

pre 13 godina

Talks bad for Serbia: Serbian Radical movement claims that the process is damaging the state of Serbia. The talks could be interpreted as indirectly acknowledge Kosovo's independence, and points out that nobody can understand how honorable Serbian politicians can sit on a table with officials sent by governement headed by an alleged criminal.

Any similarities?

But who cares: Everybody knows that it's the EU that wants these talks, and Kosovo should better not to delay or block them. Otherwise: No more support.

highduke

pre 13 godina

YESSSS! ITS OVAH! Now it's their turn to suffer the same calamaties we did in the 90s & early 2000s. At least Russia was under occupation & couldn't help but the Albanians have been straight up sold out like I said since KFOR withdrawl 'coincided' with inking the S.Stream. No coincidence then and none now that the UK pulling aid from E.Europe, the aggression on Libya & re-integration negotiations happened in succession.

EU = Fail

pre 13 godina

Everybody knows that it's the EU that wants these talks, and Kosovo should better not to delay or block them. Otherwise: No more support"
--------
What support does Kosova get from EU? Other than 10,000 EURO a month 'consultants'? No visa, no EU plan membership so they can take a hike.

American Eagle

pre 13 godina

Albina Kurti is bad for Kosovo, not the talks with Serbia. Does this guy really think that Kosovo can go it alone without international handouts? See what would happen to Kosovo if there was no aid and no foreign assistance. Kosovo would become the Somalia of Europe. What is really scary is that this is the third largest party in Kosovo which means there are a lot of Albanians who agree with his thinking.

Top

pre 13 godina

"Also Edita Tahiri pointed out yesterday that Belgrades stance towards Kosovo is the same as in the past.
(Demi, 13 March 2011 16:21)

Wasn't it the Albanian side that insisted that the dialogue is not about the status, but only about about 'technical issues'?
And the EU, as the organization who started the talk, said that it's status neutral. So Kosovo can claim that they are 'independent', Serbia will say that 'Kosovo is part of Serbia'.

Demi

pre 13 godina

This dialoug dosent seem to be long lived. The opposition in Kosovo dosent support it and have said they will not be part of it.

Also Edita Tahiri pointed out yesterday that Belgrades stance towards Kosovo is the same as in the past. The dialoug will not succed if belgrade dosent change its destructive stance towards the independent Kosovo.

I personaly dont see any point having a dialoug bearing in mind what Serbia have done to Kosovo albanians in the past. And despite that Serbia still wants to control Kosovo and its majority albanian population without having any legal or moral right to it. Serbia has no place in Kosovo and albanians should reamember that and not support such dialoug with a country wich have destroyd albanian land and humans for decades. Reamamber 1998-99 people!!!

Jim

pre 13 godina

Go on, Demi, let Kosovo walk away then! Don't forget that Kosovo only exists with EU and US support. Don't start believing your own independence hype. Also, you need the practical benefits far more than Serbia. Don't forget that Serbia is a fully recognised state that can interact freely with the rest of the world. You aren't, and can't. So, huff and puff and bring down the dialogue and see what happens. It will not be pretty.

It really is high time KAs started to realise that their threats are no longer going to work. People have caught on to this game. It is time to show some moderation and learn how to compromise.

highduke

pre 13 godina

YESSSS! ITS OVAH! Now it's their turn to suffer the same calamaties we did in the 90s & early 2000s. At least Russia was under occupation & couldn't help but the Albanians have been straight up sold out like I said since KFOR withdrawl 'coincided' with inking the S.Stream. No coincidence then and none now that the UK pulling aid from E.Europe, the aggression on Libya & re-integration negotiations happened in succession.

Wim Roffel

pre 13 godina

Albanians like to stress Serbia's claims to Kosovo as driven by naked nationalism, but it is no secret that Serbia's position is for an important part motivated by the position of the Serb minority in Kosovo. And that is something were Kosovo can do a lot.

Unfortunately Kosovo keeps following a mafia-style "facts-on-ground" policy instead of trying to find a concensual solution. As long as this policy continues it is stupid to expect that Serbia will change its position.

Top

pre 13 godina

Talks bad for Serbia: Serbian Radical movement claims that the process is damaging the state of Serbia. The talks could be interpreted as indirectly acknowledge Kosovo's independence, and points out that nobody can understand how honorable Serbian politicians can sit on a table with officials sent by governement headed by an alleged criminal.

Any similarities?

But who cares: Everybody knows that it's the EU that wants these talks, and Kosovo should better not to delay or block them. Otherwise: No more support.

Top

pre 13 godina

"Also Edita Tahiri pointed out yesterday that Belgrades stance towards Kosovo is the same as in the past.
(Demi, 13 March 2011 16:21)

Wasn't it the Albanian side that insisted that the dialogue is not about the status, but only about about 'technical issues'?
And the EU, as the organization who started the talk, said that it's status neutral. So Kosovo can claim that they are 'independent', Serbia will say that 'Kosovo is part of Serbia'.

American Eagle

pre 13 godina

Albina Kurti is bad for Kosovo, not the talks with Serbia. Does this guy really think that Kosovo can go it alone without international handouts? See what would happen to Kosovo if there was no aid and no foreign assistance. Kosovo would become the Somalia of Europe. What is really scary is that this is the third largest party in Kosovo which means there are a lot of Albanians who agree with his thinking.

sj

pre 13 godina

Wait a minute,how can a superpower be occupied? If Russia was under occupation than, rest assured is still under occupation. Check the loan you are getting from Putin, is not in Rubels but in USD. Ye , you are right, Russia is powerless to this day.
(Agim Kelmendi, 13 March 2011 17:00)

Russia was “occupied” during the 1990s. Read up on Strobe Talbot’s role in Russia during the bombing of Kosovo. He was there to make sure that Yeltsin complied otherwise no IMF loans and Russians would have starved then chaos. The US did not occupy Russia militarily, but something even more terrible – it occupied it financially. It’s something Serbia will do with the former parts of Yugoslavia.
Two things changed Russia dramatically – Putin and oil/gas. Russia is a re-emerging power thanks to Valdimir Putin because he kicked out all the foreigners working to drain his country dry together with the likes of Abramovich.
Another point is that Ghaddafi will return to power and by God have you Americans made another blunder – this one could be the biggest in world history. This has only entrenched him further into Russia’s sphere of influence ha, ha, ha.

JohnBoy

pre 13 godina

It's funny to read descriptions of the fantasy world these k-albos live in. They want and expect
1) kosovo to be a member of the UN
2) kosovo to be a member of the eu
3) kosovo to continue to operate their criminal clans and ghoulish organ trades.

They expect this from the western part of the world that is drowning in debt. Over 9% of their superhero americans are unemployed and another 5% have stopped looking for work and are not counted in the unemployment statistic. And these k-albos expect america to continue to subsidize their criminal activities.

Part 2) is the funniest one. Turkey contributed much to HATO in keeping the Soviet Union out of the rest of europe and Turkey can't get into the eu because of prejudism against muslims. If Turkey can't get in, albania will never get in and kosovo is out of the question. The only way the kosovo province could get into the eu is as a part of Serbia and everybody knows it. (If albania wants to get in, it should start calling itself "western FYROM" ... This would be no loss of national pride, macedonia is a made-up name anyway)

I suspect that is what the Serbian negotiators are telling the eu at these talks. They say, "We offer kosovo one last chance to join the Serbian boat into the eu, take it or leave it". After the k-albo rejection, Vuk will ask the UNGA to pass the condemnation of the udi because they are too stupid to get independence.

Jim

pre 13 godina

Ralph Owens - 2 points:

1) You might want to also note that some of the very worst excesses of Albanian nationalism can also be found here. Before you start pointing the finger at Serbs, you might might also want to consider the likes of Ben and AdamNYC (two of the most troubled and troubling individual you'll find here), EA, PSS, Fushta et al. Then there are the other regional nationalist fan clubs led by the likes of Joe and Ivan. This is far from a Serb issue.

2) Before you criticise B92 for giving anyone a soapbox, you might want to consider that this is one of the only sites where people from across the region are given a chance to air a variety of views and engage with one another. Just try posting a Serbian, or non-Albanian, perspective at any of the Albanian sites. It will not be published. Go on, try and see what I mean. At least B92 provides a forum for discussion. You may not like what you hear, but at least views can be aired. This does not happen on the other side of the debate.

I am not sure whether you are new here, or have been lurking for a while, but if anyone is a troll here, it would appear to be you.

kate

pre 13 godina

@ "Ralph Owens" - Why are you posting under an English sounding name when your actual use of English illustrates that you speak another language as your first.

Top

pre 13 godina

"KFOR withdrawl 'coincided' with inking the S.Stream. No coincidence then and none now that the UK pulling aid from E.Europe, the aggression on Libya & re-integration negotiations happened in succession.
(highduke, 13 March 2011 16:00)
Always nice to read the South stream story. South stream, the project that is as real as Kosovo's independence: Only existing in some people's dream, with only a small chance to become reality ;-)

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Dear B92,

Allowing the likes of sj, highduke, Zmaj, winston, Mike C. and other to make such comments only reinforces the poor image Serbs have world wide. Perhaps this is what you want achieve, in that case, keep up the good work.
(Ralph Owens, 14 March 2011 03:30)
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I see what you are trying to do. A very poor attempt at trying to silence the Serbs.
So if you don't say what I want to hear you must be a nut and you bring shame to your own people.

Very funny. Not effective but funny.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

At least Russia was under occupation & couldn't help (highduke),

Wait a minute,how can a superpower be occupied? If Russia was under occupation than, rest assured is still under occupation. Check the loan you are getting from Putin, is not in Rubels but in USD. Ye , you are right, Russia is powerless to this day.

Demi

pre 13 godina

This dialoug dosent seem to be long lived. The opposition in Kosovo dosent support it and have said they will not be part of it.

Also Edita Tahiri pointed out yesterday that Belgrades stance towards Kosovo is the same as in the past. The dialoug will not succed if belgrade dosent change its destructive stance towards the independent Kosovo.

I personaly dont see any point having a dialoug bearing in mind what Serbia have done to Kosovo albanians in the past. And despite that Serbia still wants to control Kosovo and its majority albanian population without having any legal or moral right to it. Serbia has no place in Kosovo and albanians should reamember that and not support such dialoug with a country wich have destroyd albanian land and humans for decades. Reamamber 1998-99 people!!!

Let it all hang out!!!

pre 13 godina

Jim = 10+ Highly recommended!Will read again. A+++++++++++++++++++++++


2) Before you criticise B92 for giving anyone a soapbox, you might want to consider that this is one of the only sites where people from across the region are given a chance to air a variety of views and engage with one another. Just try posting a Serbian, or non-Albanian, perspective at any of the Albanian sites. It will not be published. Go on, try and see what I mean. At least B92 provides a forum for discussion. You may not like what you hear, but at least views can be aired. This does not happen on the other side of the debate.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

What support does Kosova get from EU? Other than 10,000 EURO a month 'consultants'? No visa, no EU plan membership so they can take a hike.
(EU = Fail, 13 March 2011 16:44)
=====================

You really can't see the contribution Europe has given Kosovo?
Fine, Europe goes away and Serbia steps in and taken Kosovo back. This time with much less than it is offering now.
What are you going to do? How long can KLA hold out against Serbian army without any support from Europe, i.e. NATO?
Get real.

Top

pre 13 godina

"What support does Kosova get from EU? Other than 10,000 EURO a month 'consultants'? No visa, no EU plan membership so they can take a hike."
(EU = Fail, 13 March 2011 16:44)

Some billions of aid, maybe? EULEX being there trying hard to install democratic judicial structures where the only laws seem to be tribal loyality and omerta? Most EU members even supported the independence. About visa, EU membership: How should the EU grant access to Schengen visa as long as the several mafia groups in Kosovo (with the help of the corrupt government) are busy with human and drug trafficking, and there's no border protection between Albania? EU membership can only happen once all EU member states recognize Kosovo, which will only happen if the unilateral independece will be turned into a mutual agreed independence.

EU = Fail

pre 13 godina

Everybody knows that it's the EU that wants these talks, and Kosovo should better not to delay or block them. Otherwise: No more support"
--------
What support does Kosova get from EU? Other than 10,000 EURO a month 'consultants'? No visa, no EU plan membership so they can take a hike.

JC.Stennis

pre 13 godina

Vetvendosje just insert some pressure, that all. Talks are not that bad, but they are partially right. It must be prevented that Serbia gets rewarded while gets nothing from the EU. From that perspective it is got to see that they create some "trouble".

Kosovar and Metohiar

pre 13 godina

Let the state (Serbia) and the province (Kosovo) talk!
(Ron, 13 March 2011 19:36)

It's the province of Kosovo and Metohija, and not the province of Kosovo. Metohija means land of monasteries. The West has you parroting like the rest of the world that never heard of "Kosovo" by conveniently dropping Metohija and using only Kosovo. That way the Western politicians won't have to answer and explain to all of us why they were involved with former terrorists, the KLA mafia, alleged human traffickers, organ harvesters and Europe's biggest heroin suppliers in stealing Serbia's land of monasteries.
Those that look to deceive and hide the truth will fail. Simply because nothing good can come out of those kinds of wishes.

roberto

pre 13 godina

-Also Edita Tahiri pointed out yesterday that Belgrades stance towards Kosovo is the same as in the past. The dialoug will not succed if belgrade dosent change its destructive stance towards the independent Kosovo. (demi)-

I totally agree, demi. there is no hope for success unless the blgd regime undergoes a sea change in its attitude, which i do not see coming.

i do think that Edita has been doing a terrific job, as sonia biserko predicted.
sitting across from those "nice" reps of the belgrade regime, who had to temporarily be on their best behavior under the watchful eye of europe (ship up or leave!)

But that table, with the berlin wall of water bottles and cups of cookies, is just too much. i do hope that some smart young people of the balkans are having a bit of fun satirizing that table, the humor is just pregnant with possibilities...

personally, i am not opposed to such talks in THeory. i've supported them in the past, but with the political arrest and persecution of our frnd general divjak, my support, for the moment, has evaporated. nonetheless, i have often listed very strong reasons for talks, since we have a lot to say to the other side. say, and demand. all of the things we have discussed: opening of the mass graves, uncovering all the specs of the war crimes, prosecution of thousands of "their" war criminals, arrest and extradition of mass murderer mladic, uncovering the details of the cover-up of the industrialized burning of albanian bodies -- really the list is endless. so for me there is a point to talks, but not at this moment.

speaking of general divjak, i finally have my 1st t-shirt, a wonderful graphic of jovan with a child he helped to save during the war: Jovan Divjak, beloved hero of Sarajevo. it's actually rather moving, i think. only (personal) issue: i ordered size small, so if i gain even one pound i'm in serious trouble.

probably my next 2 shirts (for gifts) will follow the bosnian style, a simple: Sara-Jova. ready, hopefully, for my upcoming visit.

thanks demi, as always, for your contribution.

roberto
frisco

Ralph Owens

pre 13 godina

Dear B92,

Allowing the likes of sj, highduke, Zmaj, winston, Mike C. and other to make such comments only reinforces the poor image Serbs have world wide. Perhaps this is what you want achieve, in that case, keep up the good work.

Dave

pre 13 godina

Allowing the likes of sj, highduke, Zmaj, winston, Mike C. and other to make such comments only reinforces the poor image Serbs have world wide. Perhaps this is what you want achieve, in that case, keep up the good work.
(Ralph Owens, 14 March 2011 03:30)

I suspect half of them are Albanian trolls in any case. highduke definitely is - even the most disturbed gastarbejter "patriot" doesn't believe that fantastical rubbish.

Zoti

pre 13 godina

I suspect half of them are Albanian trolls in any case. highduke definitely is - even the most disturbed gastarbejter "patriot" doesn't believe that fantastical rubbish.
(Dave, 14 March 2011)

Yes because an Albanian would be so demented as to have a website so he could pass for a Serb
http://reocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7681/

Get a life Dave.

iliri

pre 13 godina

I always thought Skanderbeg was Greek...if Serbs really think Skanderbeg was a Serb, why don't they build a statue of him in Belgrade? Or perhaps in Presevo ?

iliri

pre 13 godina

''"Also Edita Tahiri pointed out yesterday that Belgrades stance towards Kosovo is the same as in the past.
(Demi, 13 March 2011 16:21)

Wasn't it the Albanian side that insisted that the dialogue is not about the status, but only about about 'technical issues'?
And the EU, as the organization who started the talk, said that it's status neutral. So Kosovo can claim that they are 'independent', Serbia will say that 'Kosovo is part of Serbia'.
(Top, 13 March 2011 16:59) ''

Yes, the talks are not about the status, because the status is already settled. What Edita is saying is that Belgrade ''stance towards Kosovo is the same as in the past''. Which means that in technical issues, Serbian stance remains the same. Anyway, Edita is only doing her job by reminding Serbs that talks would make more progress if Serbia reckognised Kosovo... Belgrade should have thought well before crying like a baby to the icj...

roberto

pre 13 godina

-Also Edita Tahiri pointed out yesterday that Belgrades stance towards Kosovo is the same as in the past. The dialoug will not succed if belgrade dosent change its destructive stance towards the independent Kosovo. (demi)-

I totally agree, demi. there is no hope for success unless the blgd regime undergoes a sea change in its attitude, which i do not see coming.

i do think that Edita has been doing a terrific job, as sonia biserko predicted.
sitting across from those "nice" reps of the belgrade regime, who had to temporarily be on their best behavior under the watchful eye of europe (ship up or leave!)

But that table, with the berlin wall of water bottles and cups of cookies, is just too much. i do hope that some smart young people of the balkans are having a bit of fun satirizing that table, the humor is just pregnant with possibilities...

personally, i am not opposed to such talks in THeory. i've supported them in the past, but with the political arrest and persecution of our frnd general divjak, my support, for the moment, has evaporated. nonetheless, i have often listed very strong reasons for talks, since we have a lot to say to the other side. say, and demand. all of the things we have discussed: opening of the mass graves, uncovering all the specs of the war crimes, prosecution of thousands of "their" war criminals, arrest and extradition of mass murderer mladic, uncovering the details of the cover-up of the industrialized burning of albanian bodies -- really the list is endless. so for me there is a point to talks, but not at this moment.

speaking of general divjak, i finally have my 1st t-shirt, a wonderful graphic of jovan with a child he helped to save during the war: Jovan Divjak, beloved hero of Sarajevo. it's actually rather moving, i think. only (personal) issue: i ordered size small, so if i gain even one pound i'm in serious trouble.

probably my next 2 shirts (for gifts) will follow the bosnian style, a simple: Sara-Jova. ready, hopefully, for my upcoming visit.

thanks demi, as always, for your contribution.

roberto
frisco

Demi

pre 13 godina

This dialoug dosent seem to be long lived. The opposition in Kosovo dosent support it and have said they will not be part of it.

Also Edita Tahiri pointed out yesterday that Belgrades stance towards Kosovo is the same as in the past. The dialoug will not succed if belgrade dosent change its destructive stance towards the independent Kosovo.

I personaly dont see any point having a dialoug bearing in mind what Serbia have done to Kosovo albanians in the past. And despite that Serbia still wants to control Kosovo and its majority albanian population without having any legal or moral right to it. Serbia has no place in Kosovo and albanians should reamember that and not support such dialoug with a country wich have destroyd albanian land and humans for decades. Reamamber 1998-99 people!!!

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

At least Russia was under occupation & couldn't help (highduke),

Wait a minute,how can a superpower be occupied? If Russia was under occupation than, rest assured is still under occupation. Check the loan you are getting from Putin, is not in Rubels but in USD. Ye , you are right, Russia is powerless to this day.

EU = Fail

pre 13 godina

Everybody knows that it's the EU that wants these talks, and Kosovo should better not to delay or block them. Otherwise: No more support"
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What support does Kosova get from EU? Other than 10,000 EURO a month 'consultants'? No visa, no EU plan membership so they can take a hike.

highduke

pre 13 godina

YESSSS! ITS OVAH! Now it's their turn to suffer the same calamaties we did in the 90s & early 2000s. At least Russia was under occupation & couldn't help but the Albanians have been straight up sold out like I said since KFOR withdrawl 'coincided' with inking the S.Stream. No coincidence then and none now that the UK pulling aid from E.Europe, the aggression on Libya & re-integration negotiations happened in succession.

Ralph Owens

pre 13 godina

Dear B92,

Allowing the likes of sj, highduke, Zmaj, winston, Mike C. and other to make such comments only reinforces the poor image Serbs have world wide. Perhaps this is what you want achieve, in that case, keep up the good work.

JohnBoy

pre 13 godina

It's funny to read descriptions of the fantasy world these k-albos live in. They want and expect
1) kosovo to be a member of the UN
2) kosovo to be a member of the eu
3) kosovo to continue to operate their criminal clans and ghoulish organ trades.

They expect this from the western part of the world that is drowning in debt. Over 9% of their superhero americans are unemployed and another 5% have stopped looking for work and are not counted in the unemployment statistic. And these k-albos expect america to continue to subsidize their criminal activities.

Part 2) is the funniest one. Turkey contributed much to HATO in keeping the Soviet Union out of the rest of europe and Turkey can't get into the eu because of prejudism against muslims. If Turkey can't get in, albania will never get in and kosovo is out of the question. The only way the kosovo province could get into the eu is as a part of Serbia and everybody knows it. (If albania wants to get in, it should start calling itself "western FYROM" ... This would be no loss of national pride, macedonia is a made-up name anyway)

I suspect that is what the Serbian negotiators are telling the eu at these talks. They say, "We offer kosovo one last chance to join the Serbian boat into the eu, take it or leave it". After the k-albo rejection, Vuk will ask the UNGA to pass the condemnation of the udi because they are too stupid to get independence.

Top

pre 13 godina

Talks bad for Serbia: Serbian Radical movement claims that the process is damaging the state of Serbia. The talks could be interpreted as indirectly acknowledge Kosovo's independence, and points out that nobody can understand how honorable Serbian politicians can sit on a table with officials sent by governement headed by an alleged criminal.

Any similarities?

But who cares: Everybody knows that it's the EU that wants these talks, and Kosovo should better not to delay or block them. Otherwise: No more support.

American Eagle

pre 13 godina

Albina Kurti is bad for Kosovo, not the talks with Serbia. Does this guy really think that Kosovo can go it alone without international handouts? See what would happen to Kosovo if there was no aid and no foreign assistance. Kosovo would become the Somalia of Europe. What is really scary is that this is the third largest party in Kosovo which means there are a lot of Albanians who agree with his thinking.

Jim

pre 13 godina

Go on, Demi, let Kosovo walk away then! Don't forget that Kosovo only exists with EU and US support. Don't start believing your own independence hype. Also, you need the practical benefits far more than Serbia. Don't forget that Serbia is a fully recognised state that can interact freely with the rest of the world. You aren't, and can't. So, huff and puff and bring down the dialogue and see what happens. It will not be pretty.

It really is high time KAs started to realise that their threats are no longer going to work. People have caught on to this game. It is time to show some moderation and learn how to compromise.

Top

pre 13 godina

"KFOR withdrawl 'coincided' with inking the S.Stream. No coincidence then and none now that the UK pulling aid from E.Europe, the aggression on Libya & re-integration negotiations happened in succession.
(highduke, 13 March 2011 16:00)
Always nice to read the South stream story. South stream, the project that is as real as Kosovo's independence: Only existing in some people's dream, with only a small chance to become reality ;-)

Wim Roffel

pre 13 godina

Albanians like to stress Serbia's claims to Kosovo as driven by naked nationalism, but it is no secret that Serbia's position is for an important part motivated by the position of the Serb minority in Kosovo. And that is something were Kosovo can do a lot.

Unfortunately Kosovo keeps following a mafia-style "facts-on-ground" policy instead of trying to find a concensual solution. As long as this policy continues it is stupid to expect that Serbia will change its position.

Dave

pre 13 godina

Allowing the likes of sj, highduke, Zmaj, winston, Mike C. and other to make such comments only reinforces the poor image Serbs have world wide. Perhaps this is what you want achieve, in that case, keep up the good work.
(Ralph Owens, 14 March 2011 03:30)

I suspect half of them are Albanian trolls in any case. highduke definitely is - even the most disturbed gastarbejter "patriot" doesn't believe that fantastical rubbish.

sj

pre 13 godina

Wait a minute,how can a superpower be occupied? If Russia was under occupation than, rest assured is still under occupation. Check the loan you are getting from Putin, is not in Rubels but in USD. Ye , you are right, Russia is powerless to this day.
(Agim Kelmendi, 13 March 2011 17:00)

Russia was “occupied” during the 1990s. Read up on Strobe Talbot’s role in Russia during the bombing of Kosovo. He was there to make sure that Yeltsin complied otherwise no IMF loans and Russians would have starved then chaos. The US did not occupy Russia militarily, but something even more terrible – it occupied it financially. It’s something Serbia will do with the former parts of Yugoslavia.
Two things changed Russia dramatically – Putin and oil/gas. Russia is a re-emerging power thanks to Valdimir Putin because he kicked out all the foreigners working to drain his country dry together with the likes of Abramovich.
Another point is that Ghaddafi will return to power and by God have you Americans made another blunder – this one could be the biggest in world history. This has only entrenched him further into Russia’s sphere of influence ha, ha, ha.

Top

pre 13 godina

"Also Edita Tahiri pointed out yesterday that Belgrades stance towards Kosovo is the same as in the past.
(Demi, 13 March 2011 16:21)

Wasn't it the Albanian side that insisted that the dialogue is not about the status, but only about about 'technical issues'?
And the EU, as the organization who started the talk, said that it's status neutral. So Kosovo can claim that they are 'independent', Serbia will say that 'Kosovo is part of Serbia'.

JC.Stennis

pre 13 godina

Vetvendosje just insert some pressure, that all. Talks are not that bad, but they are partially right. It must be prevented that Serbia gets rewarded while gets nothing from the EU. From that perspective it is got to see that they create some "trouble".

Kosovar and Metohiar

pre 13 godina

Let the state (Serbia) and the province (Kosovo) talk!
(Ron, 13 March 2011 19:36)

It's the province of Kosovo and Metohija, and not the province of Kosovo. Metohija means land of monasteries. The West has you parroting like the rest of the world that never heard of "Kosovo" by conveniently dropping Metohija and using only Kosovo. That way the Western politicians won't have to answer and explain to all of us why they were involved with former terrorists, the KLA mafia, alleged human traffickers, organ harvesters and Europe's biggest heroin suppliers in stealing Serbia's land of monasteries.
Those that look to deceive and hide the truth will fail. Simply because nothing good can come out of those kinds of wishes.

Zoti

pre 13 godina

I suspect half of them are Albanian trolls in any case. highduke definitely is - even the most disturbed gastarbejter "patriot" doesn't believe that fantastical rubbish.
(Dave, 14 March 2011)

Yes because an Albanian would be so demented as to have a website so he could pass for a Serb
http://reocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7681/

Get a life Dave.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

What support does Kosova get from EU? Other than 10,000 EURO a month 'consultants'? No visa, no EU plan membership so they can take a hike.
(EU = Fail, 13 March 2011 16:44)
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You really can't see the contribution Europe has given Kosovo?
Fine, Europe goes away and Serbia steps in and taken Kosovo back. This time with much less than it is offering now.
What are you going to do? How long can KLA hold out against Serbian army without any support from Europe, i.e. NATO?
Get real.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Dear B92,

Allowing the likes of sj, highduke, Zmaj, winston, Mike C. and other to make such comments only reinforces the poor image Serbs have world wide. Perhaps this is what you want achieve, in that case, keep up the good work.
(Ralph Owens, 14 March 2011 03:30)
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I see what you are trying to do. A very poor attempt at trying to silence the Serbs.
So if you don't say what I want to hear you must be a nut and you bring shame to your own people.

Very funny. Not effective but funny.

Top

pre 13 godina

"What support does Kosova get from EU? Other than 10,000 EURO a month 'consultants'? No visa, no EU plan membership so they can take a hike."
(EU = Fail, 13 March 2011 16:44)

Some billions of aid, maybe? EULEX being there trying hard to install democratic judicial structures where the only laws seem to be tribal loyality and omerta? Most EU members even supported the independence. About visa, EU membership: How should the EU grant access to Schengen visa as long as the several mafia groups in Kosovo (with the help of the corrupt government) are busy with human and drug trafficking, and there's no border protection between Albania? EU membership can only happen once all EU member states recognize Kosovo, which will only happen if the unilateral independece will be turned into a mutual agreed independence.

kate

pre 13 godina

@ "Ralph Owens" - Why are you posting under an English sounding name when your actual use of English illustrates that you speak another language as your first.

iliri

pre 13 godina

I always thought Skanderbeg was Greek...if Serbs really think Skanderbeg was a Serb, why don't they build a statue of him in Belgrade? Or perhaps in Presevo ?

iliri

pre 13 godina

''"Also Edita Tahiri pointed out yesterday that Belgrades stance towards Kosovo is the same as in the past.
(Demi, 13 March 2011 16:21)

Wasn't it the Albanian side that insisted that the dialogue is not about the status, but only about about 'technical issues'?
And the EU, as the organization who started the talk, said that it's status neutral. So Kosovo can claim that they are 'independent', Serbia will say that 'Kosovo is part of Serbia'.
(Top, 13 March 2011 16:59) ''

Yes, the talks are not about the status, because the status is already settled. What Edita is saying is that Belgrade ''stance towards Kosovo is the same as in the past''. Which means that in technical issues, Serbian stance remains the same. Anyway, Edita is only doing her job by reminding Serbs that talks would make more progress if Serbia reckognised Kosovo... Belgrade should have thought well before crying like a baby to the icj...

Jim

pre 13 godina

Ralph Owens - 2 points:

1) You might want to also note that some of the very worst excesses of Albanian nationalism can also be found here. Before you start pointing the finger at Serbs, you might might also want to consider the likes of Ben and AdamNYC (two of the most troubled and troubling individual you'll find here), EA, PSS, Fushta et al. Then there are the other regional nationalist fan clubs led by the likes of Joe and Ivan. This is far from a Serb issue.

2) Before you criticise B92 for giving anyone a soapbox, you might want to consider that this is one of the only sites where people from across the region are given a chance to air a variety of views and engage with one another. Just try posting a Serbian, or non-Albanian, perspective at any of the Albanian sites. It will not be published. Go on, try and see what I mean. At least B92 provides a forum for discussion. You may not like what you hear, but at least views can be aired. This does not happen on the other side of the debate.

I am not sure whether you are new here, or have been lurking for a while, but if anyone is a troll here, it would appear to be you.

Let it all hang out!!!

pre 13 godina

Jim = 10+ Highly recommended!Will read again. A+++++++++++++++++++++++


2) Before you criticise B92 for giving anyone a soapbox, you might want to consider that this is one of the only sites where people from across the region are given a chance to air a variety of views and engage with one another. Just try posting a Serbian, or non-Albanian, perspective at any of the Albanian sites. It will not be published. Go on, try and see what I mean. At least B92 provides a forum for discussion. You may not like what you hear, but at least views can be aired. This does not happen on the other side of the debate.