Head of Belgrade's negotiating team Borko Stefanović told daily Politika that the two sides had come close to a solution to numerous issues they had discussed.
firstly your people were called Turks, as Albanians as a people don't have a history of their own. You piggy back of off others and claim it as your own.
KOSOVO JE SRBIJA
(Obilic, 12 March 2011 18:19)
Obilic, is this kind of psychology from you serbian that albanians in kosovova wonts to have nothing with you.
Kosovo je Kosova
Koso, you claim that your language is one of the youngest in Europe, in terms of the "written sense"? That makes no sense what so ever. How can Albanians be "the oldest people on Balkans" according to many of you albanian scholars but be the last people in Europe to have a written language? Either your ancestors were basically too primative to put a language together or you are wrong about when your people arrived to Europe. Either answer is fine with me, I'd probably say both are correct anyhow.
Also, you claim that throughout history your people have been called different names. . I agree with you, firstly your people were called Turks, as Albanians as a people don't have a history of their own. You piggy back of off others and claim it as your own.
Yes, Serbs did arrive in the 6 century, but have plenty evidence of our occupation. Why even the Turks have left evidence of their 600 year, but you Albos don’t even have a cave painting after thousands of years in that area. Oh well, it’s back to the Illyrian theory.
History is important, but the present is even more so. The only way that Kosovars and Serbs are going to get along is if their respective governments reach a suitable compromise - quickly. I think that "selling out" and mutual compromise are 2 totally different things. Hopefully both governments will see it this way too. What's the purpose of continually arguing over "status" if most of the people are living in misery? Both governments have a responsibility to put aside their nationalistic rhetoric and focus on building a better future, instead of debating historical legitimacy. As far as I can see, this debate has not helped in any way. Isn't it time to be more practical?
What is most important is the realization that Kosovo is represented as one of the two sides, hence any toying around by Serbia that it will neither formally nor passively recognize Kosovo can be dispelled there and then. The entity has its voice and, since some critique imposed solutions, the only imposed solution would be something that would go against the wishes of the people of Kosovo.
Borko Stefanovic is lying. Kosovo team has said that Serbs are stuck in the past and nothing has come even close to be solved.
(ivan, 11 March 2011 17:31)
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The truth is a lot closer to the book written by Noel Malcom. Read unbiased history Mr Canadian Serb and you will realise that you are a victim of propaganda.
(Samuel, 11 March 2011 14:12)
And I bet you don't know that Noel Malcolm was (possibly still is) president of the Anglo-Albanian Association based in London, starting some time in the 90s. He didn't put that in any of his books but he is cited as such in several books. There are plenty of links on reputable sites on the internet that prove this, and only an idiot would be unable to confirm this fact.
To make it clear if you did not understand the above, he's a partial when it comes to the balkans and his is an out and out albanian propagandist.
Did you get your International Historian degree from Tirana?
There never was a country or empire called Albania when the Slavs came to the Balkans.
"Kaveat Emptor" my friend.
(Another Canadian Serb, 11 March 2011 14:52)
What, really?
Let us know whre did you get you're International History from.
Nobody had said anything about that so please enough with propaganda. But more intersting is with the other guy that said that albanians came with Ottoman Empire. Nobody in any book of history does not assume that before that sllavs came in kosova there was no popullation there. So please can you tell me who was there before sllavs came? Can you tell me who was Teuta and King Agron? How about Makedonia do you now why Albanian manny is Lek?
If you do not know the unswer go back to the same school it looks like you did not study first time.
"Let the buyer beware"
Obolic,Kosova(O)before anyone heard was called Dardania.Albanian region of Dardania.And then people like you moved to Balkans ,relesed from Russian Jails and occupied the so called Kosova (Dardania).Learn History the right way.
You only need to CHANGE/REPLACE Kosovo with Serbia everywhere in your posting and vice-versa - and couple percantages
and It will be the best post - and closest to REAL BALKAN TRUTH. All it makes sense - and thats what's real picture looks like and the whole world is starting to understand. THANKS Mr. Marthy to keep ball/truth rolling.
So if, according to your, albanians settled Kosovo before the serbs how come there is no proof of their existance from back then? Every people makes a mark on the land they settle. There must be some old building or perhaps tools that were used back then. The fact is that there is no such thing. Serbs have their churches and monasteris dating back to the 13th century. That's proof enough of who Kosovo belongs to.
The only solution you have is to accept the dedicate will of the free will of the people there. Not more or less. The rest is only cheap talk for the domestic consumption.
Hows about we just amuse ourselves and believe that Kosova was Serbian for one moment. Nowhere in International Law or basic human rights does it state that the government has the right to repress and murder its population while guaranteeing their supposed territorial integrity. Whichever way you slice it, the Kosovars had run out of options for solving their dilema peacefully as they had tried and had to fight like any sane, rational human being would do if you were in the same situation.
The fact of the matter is that over 88% of the population is Albanian, thats not going to change. Governments are suppose to carry out the will of the people, not the dictator(Milosevic). The Kosovar Albanians greivances fell on deaf ears. The Kosovar Albanians decided it was time to fight for their freedom.
The problem of Serb mistreatment of their minorities goes back hundreds of years, but its well known by Serbs and the world alike that the Kosovar Albanians most recently got a raw deal when Milsevic stripped Kosova of its autonomy and placed contol of 93% of the people under the 7% Serbs. What followed was sheer madness. The brutal treatment by the Serberians on the Kosovar Albanians was inexcusable, disgraceful, and inhuman. I have pointed out this treatment for many years now but seen my words fall on deaf ears. I hope this is a wake up call to everyone around the world. The sooner the Serbian apartheid country decides to elect normal leaders the sooner we can rid ourselves of this Cancer in the Balkans!
give peace a chance you all,extend the hand of love in the balkans please,you can wake up one day and the land you are fighting for is gone with the wind.when GOD SAYs yes no man can say no.in the balkans there are no albanians or serbians just humans.we are all tenants here sure we will live this land some day you like it or not, so try and make it a better place for generations yet unborn.thanks to both sides for accepting to find a lasting solution.no thanks to all in here fighting for no reason. nice weekend to all. BE WISE
Did you get your International Historian degree from Tirana?
There never was a country or empire called Albania when the Slavs came to the Balkans.
As a historian, how would you explain the fact that Slavs have 10 times the population of others in europe.
As a historian, you totally negate the fact that it was these Turkish Albanians that have been attacking Serbs. All the while Serbia has been focusing and creating a rich culture full of art, science and literature, not to mention today's famous ahtletes.
The only contributions from Albania are that of criminal activity and genocide.
If i were you i would get a refund on your diploma as you were clearly ripped off.
Creative, what a "creative" mind you have. I can tell you without any doubt that Kosovo is Srbija! It's a fact that Albanians arrived with the Turks. May I also point out that at one time the Serbia Empire streched as far as most of Albania, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Bosna, and even Croatia. . .
It is also a fact that the population shift took place after Tito opened the borders and allowed albanians to cross into Kosovo, this was done to weaken the Serbian state. The term "ethnic cleansing" was first used in the modern world to describe the Serbian flight from Kosovo due to intimidation from Albanians. .
One last thing, why does the name "kosova" have no meaning in your language. We all know what KOSOVO means but you Albanians have zero historic significance in Kosovo. There is nothing to tie your people to the Serbian province.
You appear to be an 'innocent' teenager brainwashed probably by ignorant nationalist background.
You say that "History tells us that Albanians came to Kosovo as Turkish vassals .Then in World War I & II these same Albanians return to kill Serbians again."
This line of thought makes CREATIVE RATIONAL individuals with decades of work or research in Balkan history think that YOU ARE VERY LIKELY reading your father's books or some kind nationalistic webpages containing fabricated history sponsored by Serbian radicals.
From an International Historian point of view I can say, WITHOUT ANY DOUBT, that Albanians are the oldest nation in Balkans, with over 4,000 yrs of history (well documented)
As per Serbs, they came looking to settle in Balkans just and Indians and Asians and other people were settled in the balkans. Remember if you trace the roots of arrival of various nations in the Balkans you find that Slavs and Roma have similar path of arrival, where they already found Albanians and Greece in these areas.
Kosovo is Albania, but if you look at history you may well find that a part of Bosnia and Croatia, nearly half of Serbia, and most of Montenegro, Macedonia and Greece once was an exclusive region of Albanians.
Please, enlighte yourself with Internatioanal History book of the region NOT with Serbian or Albanian history book, since they both attack each other.
@Another Canadian Serb
"History tells us that Albanians came to Kosovo as Turkish vassals"
This is where the problem lies. Both sides present history by choosing facts that suit them. RTS has for decades brainwashed Serbs and they are currently suffering from that severely. And the same happens with radical interpretation of history by Albanians.
The truth is a lot closer to the book written by Noel Malcom. Read unbiased history Mr Canadian Serb and you will realise that you are a victim of propaganda.
They look like two happy campers, don't they?
I am beggining to like this guy, but is he the one that will sign the final paper or at the last moment he will be yanked and Belgrade will do just like they did during Rambue talks, and afterwards bombs started falling on Serbia. It remains to be seen!
If talks are really going this smoothly Libya is being sacrificed for the Balkans. It's no coincidence that the UK pulled funding out of Russia's sphere of influence in exchange for Russia keeping quiet at the UN about Libya.
(highduke, 11 March 2011 12:16)
Quite the opposite, actually - UK/Russia relations get ever closer: http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2011/01/15/bp_russia_deal_raises_us_concerns/. It should be no surprise though - we and the Russians fought alongside each other in two world wars (that's "fought and won" rather than "fought and got overrun in three days and had to wait for stronger countries to come and bail us out"). These are the close fraternal ties of victors over fascism.
Anyhow, are you going to have to stop enthusiastically knocking one off over RUS if they betray Brother Gadaffi? Problem, innit?
If talks are really going this smoothly Libya is being sacrificed for the Balkans. It's no coincidence that the UK pulled funding out of Russia's sphere of influence in exchange for Russia keeping quiet at the UN about Libya.
I really don't understand why the Kosovo Albanians don't go back to their homeland Albania?
History tells us that Albanians came to Kosovo as Turkish vassals .Then in World War I & II these same Albanians return to kill Serbians again.
Today the whole world gets to watch the Albanians expel Serbians out of Kosovo, but Western media chooses not to report this fact.
The reason today's Kosovo Albanians have a very young population is that they left their parents in Albania and moved to Serbia's province of Kosovo for a better life.
Are not these Kosovo Albanians ashamed to live of Serbia's bloosd and honour for so long?
Why can't these Kosovo Albanians go back home to Albania and make Albania a better place to live, therefore making Serbia a better place to live as well?
Even with the posturing coming from the KiM Albanian side it is good to hear progress is being made to normalise the people's lives within the province.
I think Mr Stefanoviq is taking this talks a bit different from what we (Kosova) think of it.
Kosova seeks co-operation for his minority, the Serbs, so their life will be easier so that they do not have to life as smugglar in a lawfull territory.
You appear to be an 'innocent' teenager brainwashed probably by ignorant nationalist background.
You say that "History tells us that Albanians came to Kosovo as Turkish vassals .Then in World War I & II these same Albanians return to kill Serbians again."
This line of thought makes CREATIVE RATIONAL individuals with decades of work or research in Balkan history think that YOU ARE VERY LIKELY reading your father's books or some kind nationalistic webpages containing fabricated history sponsored by Serbian radicals.
From an International Historian point of view I can say, WITHOUT ANY DOUBT, that Albanians are the oldest nation in Balkans, with over 4,000 yrs of history (well documented)
As per Serbs, they came looking to settle in Balkans just and Indians and Asians and other people were settled in the balkans. Remember if you trace the roots of arrival of various nations in the Balkans you find that Slavs and Roma have similar path of arrival, where they already found Albanians and Greece in these areas.
Kosovo is Albania, but if you look at history you may well find that a part of Bosnia and Croatia, nearly half of Serbia, and most of Montenegro, Macedonia and Greece once was an exclusive region of Albanians.
Please, enlighte yourself with Internatioanal History book of the region NOT with Serbian or Albanian history book, since they both attack each other.
Did you get your International Historian degree from Tirana?
There never was a country or empire called Albania when the Slavs came to the Balkans.
As a historian, how would you explain the fact that Slavs have 10 times the population of others in europe.
As a historian, you totally negate the fact that it was these Turkish Albanians that have been attacking Serbs. All the while Serbia has been focusing and creating a rich culture full of art, science and literature, not to mention today's famous ahtletes.
The only contributions from Albania are that of criminal activity and genocide.
If i were you i would get a refund on your diploma as you were clearly ripped off.
Hows about we just amuse ourselves and believe that Kosova was Serbian for one moment. Nowhere in International Law or basic human rights does it state that the government has the right to repress and murder its population while guaranteeing their supposed territorial integrity. Whichever way you slice it, the Kosovars had run out of options for solving their dilema peacefully as they had tried and had to fight like any sane, rational human being would do if you were in the same situation.
The fact of the matter is that over 88% of the population is Albanian, thats not going to change. Governments are suppose to carry out the will of the people, not the dictator(Milosevic). The Kosovar Albanians greivances fell on deaf ears. The Kosovar Albanians decided it was time to fight for their freedom.
The problem of Serb mistreatment of their minorities goes back hundreds of years, but its well known by Serbs and the world alike that the Kosovar Albanians most recently got a raw deal when Milsevic stripped Kosova of its autonomy and placed contol of 93% of the people under the 7% Serbs. What followed was sheer madness. The brutal treatment by the Serberians on the Kosovar Albanians was inexcusable, disgraceful, and inhuman. I have pointed out this treatment for many years now but seen my words fall on deaf ears. I hope this is a wake up call to everyone around the world. The sooner the Serbian apartheid country decides to elect normal leaders the sooner we can rid ourselves of this Cancer in the Balkans!
I really don't understand why the Kosovo Albanians don't go back to their homeland Albania?
History tells us that Albanians came to Kosovo as Turkish vassals .Then in World War I & II these same Albanians return to kill Serbians again.
Today the whole world gets to watch the Albanians expel Serbians out of Kosovo, but Western media chooses not to report this fact.
The reason today's Kosovo Albanians have a very young population is that they left their parents in Albania and moved to Serbia's province of Kosovo for a better life.
Are not these Kosovo Albanians ashamed to live of Serbia's bloosd and honour for so long?
Why can't these Kosovo Albanians go back home to Albania and make Albania a better place to live, therefore making Serbia a better place to live as well?
Creative, what a "creative" mind you have. I can tell you without any doubt that Kosovo is Srbija! It's a fact that Albanians arrived with the Turks. May I also point out that at one time the Serbia Empire streched as far as most of Albania, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Bosna, and even Croatia. . .
It is also a fact that the population shift took place after Tito opened the borders and allowed albanians to cross into Kosovo, this was done to weaken the Serbian state. The term "ethnic cleansing" was first used in the modern world to describe the Serbian flight from Kosovo due to intimidation from Albanians. .
One last thing, why does the name "kosova" have no meaning in your language. We all know what KOSOVO means but you Albanians have zero historic significance in Kosovo. There is nothing to tie your people to the Serbian province.
Even with the posturing coming from the KiM Albanian side it is good to hear progress is being made to normalise the people's lives within the province.
@Another Canadian Serb
"History tells us that Albanians came to Kosovo as Turkish vassals"
This is where the problem lies. Both sides present history by choosing facts that suit them. RTS has for decades brainwashed Serbs and they are currently suffering from that severely. And the same happens with radical interpretation of history by Albanians.
The truth is a lot closer to the book written by Noel Malcom. Read unbiased history Mr Canadian Serb and you will realise that you are a victim of propaganda.
They look like two happy campers, don't they?
I am beggining to like this guy, but is he the one that will sign the final paper or at the last moment he will be yanked and Belgrade will do just like they did during Rambue talks, and afterwards bombs started falling on Serbia. It remains to be seen!
You only need to CHANGE/REPLACE Kosovo with Serbia everywhere in your posting and vice-versa - and couple percantages
and It will be the best post - and closest to REAL BALKAN TRUTH. All it makes sense - and thats what's real picture looks like and the whole world is starting to understand. THANKS Mr. Marthy to keep ball/truth rolling.
If talks are really going this smoothly Libya is being sacrificed for the Balkans. It's no coincidence that the UK pulled funding out of Russia's sphere of influence in exchange for Russia keeping quiet at the UN about Libya.
I think Mr Stefanoviq is taking this talks a bit different from what we (Kosova) think of it.
Kosova seeks co-operation for his minority, the Serbs, so their life will be easier so that they do not have to life as smugglar in a lawfull territory.
So if, according to your, albanians settled Kosovo before the serbs how come there is no proof of their existance from back then? Every people makes a mark on the land they settle. There must be some old building or perhaps tools that were used back then. The fact is that there is no such thing. Serbs have their churches and monasteris dating back to the 13th century. That's proof enough of who Kosovo belongs to.
Obolic,Kosova(O)before anyone heard was called Dardania.Albanian region of Dardania.And then people like you moved to Balkans ,relesed from Russian Jails and occupied the so called Kosova (Dardania).Learn History the right way.
If talks are really going this smoothly Libya is being sacrificed for the Balkans. It's no coincidence that the UK pulled funding out of Russia's sphere of influence in exchange for Russia keeping quiet at the UN about Libya.
(highduke, 11 March 2011 12:16)
Quite the opposite, actually - UK/Russia relations get ever closer: http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2011/01/15/bp_russia_deal_raises_us_concerns/. It should be no surprise though - we and the Russians fought alongside each other in two world wars (that's "fought and won" rather than "fought and got overrun in three days and had to wait for stronger countries to come and bail us out"). These are the close fraternal ties of victors over fascism.
Anyhow, are you going to have to stop enthusiastically knocking one off over RUS if they betray Brother Gadaffi? Problem, innit?
Yes, Serbs did arrive in the 6 century, but have plenty evidence of our occupation. Why even the Turks have left evidence of their 600 year, but you Albos don’t even have a cave painting after thousands of years in that area. Oh well, it’s back to the Illyrian theory.
Borko Stefanovic is lying. Kosovo team has said that Serbs are stuck in the past and nothing has come even close to be solved.
(ivan, 11 March 2011 17:31)
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give peace a chance you all,extend the hand of love in the balkans please,you can wake up one day and the land you are fighting for is gone with the wind.when GOD SAYs yes no man can say no.in the balkans there are no albanians or serbians just humans.we are all tenants here sure we will live this land some day you like it or not, so try and make it a better place for generations yet unborn.thanks to both sides for accepting to find a lasting solution.no thanks to all in here fighting for no reason. nice weekend to all. BE WISE
Koso, you claim that your language is one of the youngest in Europe, in terms of the "written sense"? That makes no sense what so ever. How can Albanians be "the oldest people on Balkans" according to many of you albanian scholars but be the last people in Europe to have a written language? Either your ancestors were basically too primative to put a language together or you are wrong about when your people arrived to Europe. Either answer is fine with me, I'd probably say both are correct anyhow.
Also, you claim that throughout history your people have been called different names. . I agree with you, firstly your people were called Turks, as Albanians as a people don't have a history of their own. You piggy back of off others and claim it as your own.
The only solution you have is to accept the dedicate will of the free will of the people there. Not more or less. The rest is only cheap talk for the domestic consumption.
Did you get your International Historian degree from Tirana?
There never was a country or empire called Albania when the Slavs came to the Balkans.
"Kaveat Emptor" my friend.
(Another Canadian Serb, 11 March 2011 14:52)
What, really?
Let us know whre did you get you're International History from.
Nobody had said anything about that so please enough with propaganda. But more intersting is with the other guy that said that albanians came with Ottoman Empire. Nobody in any book of history does not assume that before that sllavs came in kosova there was no popullation there. So please can you tell me who was there before sllavs came? Can you tell me who was Teuta and King Agron? How about Makedonia do you now why Albanian manny is Lek?
If you do not know the unswer go back to the same school it looks like you did not study first time.
"Let the buyer beware"
The truth is a lot closer to the book written by Noel Malcom. Read unbiased history Mr Canadian Serb and you will realise that you are a victim of propaganda.
(Samuel, 11 March 2011 14:12)
And I bet you don't know that Noel Malcolm was (possibly still is) president of the Anglo-Albanian Association based in London, starting some time in the 90s. He didn't put that in any of his books but he is cited as such in several books. There are plenty of links on reputable sites on the internet that prove this, and only an idiot would be unable to confirm this fact.
To make it clear if you did not understand the above, he's a partial when it comes to the balkans and his is an out and out albanian propagandist.
What is most important is the realization that Kosovo is represented as one of the two sides, hence any toying around by Serbia that it will neither formally nor passively recognize Kosovo can be dispelled there and then. The entity has its voice and, since some critique imposed solutions, the only imposed solution would be something that would go against the wishes of the people of Kosovo.
History is important, but the present is even more so. The only way that Kosovars and Serbs are going to get along is if their respective governments reach a suitable compromise - quickly. I think that "selling out" and mutual compromise are 2 totally different things. Hopefully both governments will see it this way too. What's the purpose of continually arguing over "status" if most of the people are living in misery? Both governments have a responsibility to put aside their nationalistic rhetoric and focus on building a better future, instead of debating historical legitimacy. As far as I can see, this debate has not helped in any way. Isn't it time to be more practical?
firstly your people were called Turks, as Albanians as a people don't have a history of their own. You piggy back of off others and claim it as your own.
KOSOVO JE SRBIJA
(Obilic, 12 March 2011 18:19)
Obilic, is this kind of psychology from you serbian that albanians in kosovova wonts to have nothing with you.
Kosovo je Kosova
Creative, what a "creative" mind you have. I can tell you without any doubt that Kosovo is Srbija! It's a fact that Albanians arrived with the Turks. May I also point out that at one time the Serbia Empire streched as far as most of Albania, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Bosna, and even Croatia. . .
It is also a fact that the population shift took place after Tito opened the borders and allowed albanians to cross into Kosovo, this was done to weaken the Serbian state. The term "ethnic cleansing" was first used in the modern world to describe the Serbian flight from Kosovo due to intimidation from Albanians. .
One last thing, why does the name "kosova" have no meaning in your language. We all know what KOSOVO means but you Albanians have zero historic significance in Kosovo. There is nothing to tie your people to the Serbian province.
Did you get your International Historian degree from Tirana?
There never was a country or empire called Albania when the Slavs came to the Balkans.
As a historian, how would you explain the fact that Slavs have 10 times the population of others in europe.
As a historian, you totally negate the fact that it was these Turkish Albanians that have been attacking Serbs. All the while Serbia has been focusing and creating a rich culture full of art, science and literature, not to mention today's famous ahtletes.
The only contributions from Albania are that of criminal activity and genocide.
If i were you i would get a refund on your diploma as you were clearly ripped off.
I really don't understand why the Kosovo Albanians don't go back to their homeland Albania?
History tells us that Albanians came to Kosovo as Turkish vassals .Then in World War I & II these same Albanians return to kill Serbians again.
Today the whole world gets to watch the Albanians expel Serbians out of Kosovo, but Western media chooses not to report this fact.
The reason today's Kosovo Albanians have a very young population is that they left their parents in Albania and moved to Serbia's province of Kosovo for a better life.
Are not these Kosovo Albanians ashamed to live of Serbia's bloosd and honour for so long?
Why can't these Kosovo Albanians go back home to Albania and make Albania a better place to live, therefore making Serbia a better place to live as well?
I think Mr Stefanoviq is taking this talks a bit different from what we (Kosova) think of it.
Kosova seeks co-operation for his minority, the Serbs, so their life will be easier so that they do not have to life as smugglar in a lawfull territory.
Hows about we just amuse ourselves and believe that Kosova was Serbian for one moment. Nowhere in International Law or basic human rights does it state that the government has the right to repress and murder its population while guaranteeing their supposed territorial integrity. Whichever way you slice it, the Kosovars had run out of options for solving their dilema peacefully as they had tried and had to fight like any sane, rational human being would do if you were in the same situation.
The fact of the matter is that over 88% of the population is Albanian, thats not going to change. Governments are suppose to carry out the will of the people, not the dictator(Milosevic). The Kosovar Albanians greivances fell on deaf ears. The Kosovar Albanians decided it was time to fight for their freedom.
The problem of Serb mistreatment of their minorities goes back hundreds of years, but its well known by Serbs and the world alike that the Kosovar Albanians most recently got a raw deal when Milsevic stripped Kosova of its autonomy and placed contol of 93% of the people under the 7% Serbs. What followed was sheer madness. The brutal treatment by the Serberians on the Kosovar Albanians was inexcusable, disgraceful, and inhuman. I have pointed out this treatment for many years now but seen my words fall on deaf ears. I hope this is a wake up call to everyone around the world. The sooner the Serbian apartheid country decides to elect normal leaders the sooner we can rid ourselves of this Cancer in the Balkans!
They look like two happy campers, don't they?
I am beggining to like this guy, but is he the one that will sign the final paper or at the last moment he will be yanked and Belgrade will do just like they did during Rambue talks, and afterwards bombs started falling on Serbia. It remains to be seen!
You appear to be an 'innocent' teenager brainwashed probably by ignorant nationalist background.
You say that "History tells us that Albanians came to Kosovo as Turkish vassals .Then in World War I & II these same Albanians return to kill Serbians again."
This line of thought makes CREATIVE RATIONAL individuals with decades of work or research in Balkan history think that YOU ARE VERY LIKELY reading your father's books or some kind nationalistic webpages containing fabricated history sponsored by Serbian radicals.
From an International Historian point of view I can say, WITHOUT ANY DOUBT, that Albanians are the oldest nation in Balkans, with over 4,000 yrs of history (well documented)
As per Serbs, they came looking to settle in Balkans just and Indians and Asians and other people were settled in the balkans. Remember if you trace the roots of arrival of various nations in the Balkans you find that Slavs and Roma have similar path of arrival, where they already found Albanians and Greece in these areas.
Kosovo is Albania, but if you look at history you may well find that a part of Bosnia and Croatia, nearly half of Serbia, and most of Montenegro, Macedonia and Greece once was an exclusive region of Albanians.
Please, enlighte yourself with Internatioanal History book of the region NOT with Serbian or Albanian history book, since they both attack each other.
@Another Canadian Serb
"History tells us that Albanians came to Kosovo as Turkish vassals"
This is where the problem lies. Both sides present history by choosing facts that suit them. RTS has for decades brainwashed Serbs and they are currently suffering from that severely. And the same happens with radical interpretation of history by Albanians.
The truth is a lot closer to the book written by Noel Malcom. Read unbiased history Mr Canadian Serb and you will realise that you are a victim of propaganda.
If talks are really going this smoothly Libya is being sacrificed for the Balkans. It's no coincidence that the UK pulled funding out of Russia's sphere of influence in exchange for Russia keeping quiet at the UN about Libya.
(highduke, 11 March 2011 12:16)
Quite the opposite, actually - UK/Russia relations get ever closer: http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2011/01/15/bp_russia_deal_raises_us_concerns/. It should be no surprise though - we and the Russians fought alongside each other in two world wars (that's "fought and won" rather than "fought and got overrun in three days and had to wait for stronger countries to come and bail us out"). These are the close fraternal ties of victors over fascism.
Anyhow, are you going to have to stop enthusiastically knocking one off over RUS if they betray Brother Gadaffi? Problem, innit?
Even with the posturing coming from the KiM Albanian side it is good to hear progress is being made to normalise the people's lives within the province.
Obolic,Kosova(O)before anyone heard was called Dardania.Albanian region of Dardania.And then people like you moved to Balkans ,relesed from Russian Jails and occupied the so called Kosova (Dardania).Learn History the right way.
If talks are really going this smoothly Libya is being sacrificed for the Balkans. It's no coincidence that the UK pulled funding out of Russia's sphere of influence in exchange for Russia keeping quiet at the UN about Libya.
So if, according to your, albanians settled Kosovo before the serbs how come there is no proof of their existance from back then? Every people makes a mark on the land they settle. There must be some old building or perhaps tools that were used back then. The fact is that there is no such thing. Serbs have their churches and monasteris dating back to the 13th century. That's proof enough of who Kosovo belongs to.
You only need to CHANGE/REPLACE Kosovo with Serbia everywhere in your posting and vice-versa - and couple percantages
and It will be the best post - and closest to REAL BALKAN TRUTH. All it makes sense - and thats what's real picture looks like and the whole world is starting to understand. THANKS Mr. Marthy to keep ball/truth rolling.
give peace a chance you all,extend the hand of love in the balkans please,you can wake up one day and the land you are fighting for is gone with the wind.when GOD SAYs yes no man can say no.in the balkans there are no albanians or serbians just humans.we are all tenants here sure we will live this land some day you like it or not, so try and make it a better place for generations yet unborn.thanks to both sides for accepting to find a lasting solution.no thanks to all in here fighting for no reason. nice weekend to all. BE WISE
The only solution you have is to accept the dedicate will of the free will of the people there. Not more or less. The rest is only cheap talk for the domestic consumption.
Did you get your International Historian degree from Tirana?
There never was a country or empire called Albania when the Slavs came to the Balkans.
"Kaveat Emptor" my friend.
(Another Canadian Serb, 11 March 2011 14:52)
What, really?
Let us know whre did you get you're International History from.
Nobody had said anything about that so please enough with propaganda. But more intersting is with the other guy that said that albanians came with Ottoman Empire. Nobody in any book of history does not assume that before that sllavs came in kosova there was no popullation there. So please can you tell me who was there before sllavs came? Can you tell me who was Teuta and King Agron? How about Makedonia do you now why Albanian manny is Lek?
If you do not know the unswer go back to the same school it looks like you did not study first time.
"Let the buyer beware"
firstly your people were called Turks, as Albanians as a people don't have a history of their own. You piggy back of off others and claim it as your own.
KOSOVO JE SRBIJA
(Obilic, 12 March 2011 18:19)
Obilic, is this kind of psychology from you serbian that albanians in kosovova wonts to have nothing with you.
Kosovo je Kosova
The truth is a lot closer to the book written by Noel Malcom. Read unbiased history Mr Canadian Serb and you will realise that you are a victim of propaganda.
(Samuel, 11 March 2011 14:12)
And I bet you don't know that Noel Malcolm was (possibly still is) president of the Anglo-Albanian Association based in London, starting some time in the 90s. He didn't put that in any of his books but he is cited as such in several books. There are plenty of links on reputable sites on the internet that prove this, and only an idiot would be unable to confirm this fact.
To make it clear if you did not understand the above, he's a partial when it comes to the balkans and his is an out and out albanian propagandist.
Yes, Serbs did arrive in the 6 century, but have plenty evidence of our occupation. Why even the Turks have left evidence of their 600 year, but you Albos don’t even have a cave painting after thousands of years in that area. Oh well, it’s back to the Illyrian theory.
Borko Stefanovic is lying. Kosovo team has said that Serbs are stuck in the past and nothing has come even close to be solved.
(ivan, 11 March 2011 17:31)
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What is most important is the realization that Kosovo is represented as one of the two sides, hence any toying around by Serbia that it will neither formally nor passively recognize Kosovo can be dispelled there and then. The entity has its voice and, since some critique imposed solutions, the only imposed solution would be something that would go against the wishes of the people of Kosovo.
History is important, but the present is even more so. The only way that Kosovars and Serbs are going to get along is if their respective governments reach a suitable compromise - quickly. I think that "selling out" and mutual compromise are 2 totally different things. Hopefully both governments will see it this way too. What's the purpose of continually arguing over "status" if most of the people are living in misery? Both governments have a responsibility to put aside their nationalistic rhetoric and focus on building a better future, instead of debating historical legitimacy. As far as I can see, this debate has not helped in any way. Isn't it time to be more practical?
Koso, you claim that your language is one of the youngest in Europe, in terms of the "written sense"? That makes no sense what so ever. How can Albanians be "the oldest people on Balkans" according to many of you albanian scholars but be the last people in Europe to have a written language? Either your ancestors were basically too primative to put a language together or you are wrong about when your people arrived to Europe. Either answer is fine with me, I'd probably say both are correct anyhow.
Also, you claim that throughout history your people have been called different names. . I agree with you, firstly your people were called Turks, as Albanians as a people don't have a history of their own. You piggy back of off others and claim it as your own.
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