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Thursday, 10.03.2011.

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EU: Dialogue was constructive

A dialogue between Belgrade and Priština negotiating teams was held in a constructive and cordial atmosphere, the EU released.

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sj

pre 13 godina

(pss, 11 March 2011 18:42)

I’m still waiting to a response to my question:
“…I’m very interested to know how is Kosovo going to survive as a State or “stand on its own two feet”? …. I am not joking, I really am interested.

sj

pre 13 godina

(pss, 10 March 2011 22:34)

Why has Romania held talks with western Moldavia in Switzerland? Romania does not recognize it as independent so does that mean it is? Why has Morocco held talks with the Sahrawi rebel movement in Paris considering that the Moroccan Government see them as rebels and does not recognize them as independent from Morocco. There are other many other examples of internal disagreements being settled outside the country. Oh, perhaps you are aware that the Northern Ireland talks were held on neutral grounds.
Perhaps they might have taught you guys something in those US colleges, but may be not considering the number of illiterates that leave them. When you have two intractable positions the best idea is to move it to neutral territory. You might also note that in these pictures there were no flags or national paraphernalia to identify either party, but then again the Albanians would see Kosovo recognized if a Serb diplomat walked past the door.
He is the stark truth of the matter. The EU are running short on cash and would happily hand over Kosovo back to Belgrade, but the US is still keen to keep Kosovo as “independent” just in case it has to “threaten” Russia’s pipelines coming from the Black Sea. So what you have is a dying empire spreading itself and allies very thin on the ground – I see that the US wants to attack Ghaddafi; good luck there boys, Washington has already screwed up two wars and looking third one or is it third time lucky eh??
When you hear these words “Serbia recognizes Kosovo’s independence” then you can start singing from the roof tops, mate.
But I’m very interested to know how is Kosovo going to survive as a State or “stand on its own two feet”? I have seen drafts of proposed EU budget expenditure for the years 2012 to 2016 and they do not look good at all. I am not joking, I really am interested.
Look at Croatia since EU aid was reduced starting in 2009.

John

pre 13 godina

This would all be solved if both Serbia, and Kosovo as a Seperate entity, but not necassarily a state (its somewhere inbetween Autonomous and Independent) joined the EU, then it would become borderless. However, considering with who run Kosovo in power; thats not going to happen. What they should discuss is a removal of the KLA thugs in power, and basic human rights for Serbs, the deconstruction of Camp Bondsteel might also help.

pss

pre 13 godina

If Kosovo is independent, as you guys claim, why aren’t the talks held in Pristina? Hmmmm??????
(sj, 10 March 2011 21:38)
Must be running out of fuel for your propaganda machine. Anyone versed in international affairs as yourself or by your claims to be know that any type of controversial meeting between 2 states are always held on nuetral grounds. So having the meeting in Brussels would be more a show of independence than in Pristina. Because there Serbia could claim the talks were held in the "province"

miri

pre 13 godina

To solve this, which basically means Belgrade stops blocking, may involve Pristina conceding over these disputed areas in Kosovo. They get to keep their policy of "independence", but what they claim as theirs is further reduced.
......
(Mike, 10 March 2011 18:18)


Huh? Pristina has to "OFFICIALLY" concede over the North so Belgrade can allow it to continue with the policy of "independence"?

Are you for real? Who care whether Belgrade allowes anyone to "continue the policy of independence"?

If you had said that Pristina should concede over the north in return for official approval from Belgrade to joining Albania, then I could have taken you seriously.

I see, you still can outsmart everyone.

sj

pre 13 godina

Just the same. If Kosova is part of Serbia as you claim, than why Serb officials are holding talks with Kosova officials in EU Caital? According to your logic, Kosova is internal issue for Serbia. What internal?
(Agim Kelmendi, 10 March 2011 18:35)

If Kosovo is independent, as you guys claim, why aren’t the talks held in Pristina? Hmmmm??????

MikeC

pre 13 godina

"By the way, the Russian newspaper said that; The meeting that took place, is a concrete proof that Serbia is heading towards recognition of Kosova."

Agim Kelmendi

Interesting that albanians normally rejects all news from Russia, Serbia and all other countries who haven't recognized Kosovo independence. But, all of the sudden albanians are trusting russian journalism.

Korab_Prishtina

pre 13 godina

@Zoran
If you were independent already there would be no need for discussions as it would be an internal matter. However, since both Belgrade and Pristina are involved then you independence claim somehow goes down the drain.
(Zoran, 10 March 2011 18:11)

Equally, your claim that Kosovo is part of Serbia goes down the drain too! If Kosovo was your so-called KiM, you would not need negotiations for internal issues. You are having negotiations because it is not regarded as yours but interests you.

Secondly, when I said the rest is not a matter of discussion, I was referring to the whole South of Kosovo as a territory. These talks are concerned with the South of Kosovo too, but they focus on technical issues and not the status or Kosovo's sovereignty-related issues.

But the North is different. With no double standards applied, the North should technically get a special status or split from Kosovo proper.

Can't say that about Serb places in the South. They have already started to integrate in the Kosovo institutions anyway!

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Just the same. If Kosova is part of Serbia as you claim, than why Serb officials are holding talks with Kosova officials in EU Caital? According to your logic, Kosova is internal issue for Serbia. What internal?
(Agim Kelmendi, 10 March 2011 18:35)
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Why do we have to go around in circles every day? KiM is under international administration and has been for the past decade so having a status neutral mediator there is completely in line with UNSCR1244.

If you guys want to sell these negotiations as dialogue between two separate countries on an equal level then that's fine, it is consumption for ethnic Albanians only. We know the real truth thought, right? If you want to claim "Kosova" is independent and you are happy with what you have then I'm not going to complain. It is just that your idea of independence is not the same as mine. But anyway, that will make these negotiations even less complicated.

I don't expect KiM Albanians to stop claiming their independence and I don't expect Serbians to stop claiming sovereignty but that is an old and tired argument. We are now at the level of negotiating the technical details of a functional partition. Note, not a formal partition but a functional one - similarly to what Mike describes as cantons.

Hopefully we'll get there soon and bury the repetitive arguments forever. Then we can start getting along and live peacefully together.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

And by saying sides, you automatically imply that there are two sides which have a say over one area = The North. The rest is not a matter of discussion.
(Korab_Prishtina, 10 March 2011 17:36)
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How can you say the rest is not a matter of discussion when that is exactly what is going on now? What is this dialogue all about? You think it's about the north only?

Sorry to bust your delusional bubble but the whole territory of KiM is up for discussion. The North to you is what KiM is to us.

If you were independent already there would be no need for discussions as it would be an internal matter. However, since both Belgrade and Pristina are involved then you independence claim somehow goes down the drain.

The only reality my friend is the proclamation of independence, which never got off the ground and in fact put you in deeper isolation. However, if you believe what you have now is independence then I am happy with that. No need to discuss further.

Mike

pre 13 godina

Korab_Prishtina,

It would seem northern Kosovo is to Pristina, what much of the rest of Kosovo is to Belgrade: claimed but not controlled. If both sides are looking to use these talks as a way of moving forward towards their own goals (EU membership for Belgrade and further international integration for Pristina), the logical step would then be for both sides to realize where the de facto lines of authority lie and to settle there. I really can't see Belgrade successfully getting Kosovo back, and to be honest I doubt there's anyone in Belgrade that really wants this. But the one comparative advantage I feel Belgrade has is that is has blocked Pristina from further international ascension. To solve this, which basically means Belgrade stops blocking, may involve Pristina conceding over these disputed areas in Kosovo. They get to keep their policy of "independence", but what they claim as theirs is further reduced. Whether this results in outright partition, which I don't support, or internal cantonization like Bosnia, which I do, remains to be seen. Whatever happens, let's hope these talks remain constructive and flexible.

Danilo

pre 13 godina

The north should go to Serbia and Presovo valley to Kosovo. If not, there will be the same problem in 50 years.

Sometimes good fences make good neighbours.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

If you were independent already there would be no need for discussions as it would be an internal matter. However, since both Belgrade and Pristina are involved then you independence claim somehow goes down the drain.(Zoran)

Just the same. If Kosova is part of Serbia as you claim, than why Serb officials are holding talks with Kosova officials in EU Caital? According to your logic, Kosova is internal issue for Serbia. What internal?

Korab_Prishtina

pre 13 godina

@ Zoran,

I think it is wishful thinking to deny the presence of independence. Whether you accept it or not, it is a new reality. You cannot deny something that took place - this is what I am trying to say.
I fully agree with you that Kosovo is highly dependent on US and EU, but you should acknowledge that these talks will not reverse the independence, it might, however, lead to new talks on resolving the North.

Many in Prishtina say the North is an internal issue of Kosovo, but I am in full disagreement with that. The North needs both sides to get involved. And by saying sides, you automatically imply that there are two sides which have a say over one area = The North. The rest is not a matter of discussion.

HanaBerisha

pre 13 godina

Both parties are failing to talk on what needs to be said.

Kosovo should ask for the pensions paid in the form of income tax by generations and generations over years to Yugoslavia.

Serbia should ask the return of the displaced Kosovo Serbs, which get discriminated upon in Serbia proper.

Both sides should seriously consider talking about missing people. The list goes on and on.

Danilo

pre 13 godina

"sell-out"

see?

"Now the new reality all really comes down to one thing and that is bridging the gap between Serbians and Albanians so we can create peace in the region."

You're really on track with that, Zorane. Keep on dictating to the Albanians what they must do. That's a great way to bridge gaps.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Secondly, the talks will remain technical as the EU will not want to open status talks on a project that it has financed itself (i.e. Kosovo's independence) Serbia cannot deny the new reality in Kosovo, but Kosovo should also be aware of the fact that there is a different interpretation of history on the Serb side.
(Korab_Prishtina, 10 March 2011 12:44)
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Exactly what is the new reality? Kosovo Independence? The reality my friend is that "Kosova" is highly dependent on the EU and US. Parallel structures have existed in the province for decades with Serbians and other non-Albanians loyal to Serbia. There is certainly no independence in sight so I'm trying to figure this new reality out. It seems like wishful thinking more than anything.

Now the new reality all really comes down to one thing and that is bridging the gap between Serbians and Albanians so we can create peace in the region. If anyone attempts to sell-out then that only plants the seeds for future conflict. Both sides have to win otherwise there will be another round of conflict.

kate

pre 13 godina

@ Kosovo-USA - It really doesn't mean much to say that the issue of the recognition of Kosovo would be less problematic, because it would depend on what form and in what part it was recognised.

It's a two way street.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

I prefer to see the pic while the hand shaking was going on along with big smiles. Check bbc for the true pic.
By the way, the Russian newspaper said that; The meeting that took place, is a concrete proof that Serbia is heading towards recognition of Kosova.Something is on the air, and even foes are smelling it.

Albanian from Albania (Canada)

pre 13 godina

Only the collaborations between Serbs and K-Albanians can get the region out of poverty, criminality towards EU integration. Think economy not folklore. There will be no borders if both Kosovo and Serbia become part of EU. This is the final goal. Make a sincere peace. I have seen Serbs and K-Albanians in Canada and figured out that they have more in common then anyone else in ex-Yougoslavia.

Ian, UK

pre 13 godina

“The political situation is blocked and the main hindrance is that Kosovo has not been recognized as an independent state by any international organization,” he said.

How about the International Monetary Fund, The World Bank (both of which Kosovo is a full member), Compact of Free Association, International Road and Transport Union, UNPO, as well as being on the verge of being recognised by the Gulf Cooperation Council once Kuwait recognises Kosovo, which is likely to happen.

Korab_Prishtina

pre 13 godina

@Kosova_USA

With all due respect, your name on that blog as Kosova_USA just annoys me as it does with every fellow Albanian in Kosovo who worships them too much! Fair enough, they helped us but it is hypocritical to accuse Serbs of loving Russians madly when we do the same with US.

Secondly, the talks will remain technical as the EU will not want to open status talks on a project that it has financed itself (i.e. Kosovo's independence) Serbia cannot deny the new reality in Kosovo, but Kosovo should also be aware of the fact that there is a different interpretation of history on the Serb side. It will take time for both parties to be rational on the representation of history.

Vesna

pre 13 godina

By attending these negotiations, Serbia has in theoretically recognised Kosovo. These negotiations are a product of Serbia's resolution to UN, which was amended striclty, disallowing Serbia to ask for status talks. As such Serbia, has decided to forfeit this issue for the sake of EU candidacy.
But, we will never join the EU if we do not solve the Kosovo issue i.e. recognise it. The EU will not want another Cyprus.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 13 godina

One thing for sure is that Serbia doesn't want these talks. These talks are being forced on Serbia just as the separation of Kosovo from Serbia was forced by the US.

It's very clear that the EU seems to back Serbia now, but that America's economical influence is just too strong.

Meaning that Germany as one of the worlds biggest machine exporters with a great customer base in the USA. Germany is too afraid of jeoporadizing their export market and revenue.

It is only the US that wanted the separation of Kosovo from Serbia.

So much that one could say the USA bombed Serbia to steal Kosovo. Today Kosovo is split into north and south. However, the USA is still adamant in tearing away all of Kosovo from Serbia.

I believe the US goal is to rid all Serbs from Kosovo.

It's very clear that Serbia doesn't want to live with Albanians and therefore wish to partition themselves from those organ snatchers, rapists and drug dealers.

But the problem lies with the Albanians pimp. The pimp keeps instructing the Albanians on their next course of action.

Today Albania is a member of NATO, but not because of it's qualifications, but more so because the US said so!

The current dialogue with Kosovo is really a dialogue with the USA.

Korab_Prishtina

pre 13 godina

@Kosova_USA

With all due respect, your name on that blog as Kosova_USA just annoys me as it does with every fellow Albanian in Kosovo who worships them too much! Fair enough, they helped us but it is hypocritical to accuse Serbs of loving Russians madly when we do the same with US.

Secondly, the talks will remain technical as the EU will not want to open status talks on a project that it has financed itself (i.e. Kosovo's independence) Serbia cannot deny the new reality in Kosovo, but Kosovo should also be aware of the fact that there is a different interpretation of history on the Serb side. It will take time for both parties to be rational on the representation of history.

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

UNMIK Chief Lamberto Zannier said that once Belgrade and Priština reached an agreement on technical issues the issue of recognition of Kosovo would be less problematic.


wow, I feel sorry for Zanier, he will be declared person non grata by Serbs, because of the above statement.

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

UNMIK Chief Lamberto Zannier said that once Belgrade and Priština reached an agreement on technical issues the issue of recognition of Kosovo would be less problematic.


wow, I feel sorry for Zanier, he will be declared person non grata by Serbs, because of the above statement.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

I prefer to see the pic while the hand shaking was going on along with big smiles. Check bbc for the true pic.
By the way, the Russian newspaper said that; The meeting that took place, is a concrete proof that Serbia is heading towards recognition of Kosova.Something is on the air, and even foes are smelling it.

Vesna

pre 13 godina

By attending these negotiations, Serbia has in theoretically recognised Kosovo. These negotiations are a product of Serbia's resolution to UN, which was amended striclty, disallowing Serbia to ask for status talks. As such Serbia, has decided to forfeit this issue for the sake of EU candidacy.
But, we will never join the EU if we do not solve the Kosovo issue i.e. recognise it. The EU will not want another Cyprus.

Albanian from Albania (Canada)

pre 13 godina

Only the collaborations between Serbs and K-Albanians can get the region out of poverty, criminality towards EU integration. Think economy not folklore. There will be no borders if both Kosovo and Serbia become part of EU. This is the final goal. Make a sincere peace. I have seen Serbs and K-Albanians in Canada and figured out that they have more in common then anyone else in ex-Yougoslavia.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 13 godina

One thing for sure is that Serbia doesn't want these talks. These talks are being forced on Serbia just as the separation of Kosovo from Serbia was forced by the US.

It's very clear that the EU seems to back Serbia now, but that America's economical influence is just too strong.

Meaning that Germany as one of the worlds biggest machine exporters with a great customer base in the USA. Germany is too afraid of jeoporadizing their export market and revenue.

It is only the US that wanted the separation of Kosovo from Serbia.

So much that one could say the USA bombed Serbia to steal Kosovo. Today Kosovo is split into north and south. However, the USA is still adamant in tearing away all of Kosovo from Serbia.

I believe the US goal is to rid all Serbs from Kosovo.

It's very clear that Serbia doesn't want to live with Albanians and therefore wish to partition themselves from those organ snatchers, rapists and drug dealers.

But the problem lies with the Albanians pimp. The pimp keeps instructing the Albanians on their next course of action.

Today Albania is a member of NATO, but not because of it's qualifications, but more so because the US said so!

The current dialogue with Kosovo is really a dialogue with the USA.

kate

pre 13 godina

@ Kosovo-USA - It really doesn't mean much to say that the issue of the recognition of Kosovo would be less problematic, because it would depend on what form and in what part it was recognised.

It's a two way street.

Ian, UK

pre 13 godina

“The political situation is blocked and the main hindrance is that Kosovo has not been recognized as an independent state by any international organization,” he said.

How about the International Monetary Fund, The World Bank (both of which Kosovo is a full member), Compact of Free Association, International Road and Transport Union, UNPO, as well as being on the verge of being recognised by the Gulf Cooperation Council once Kuwait recognises Kosovo, which is likely to happen.

Danilo

pre 13 godina

"sell-out"

see?

"Now the new reality all really comes down to one thing and that is bridging the gap between Serbians and Albanians so we can create peace in the region."

You're really on track with that, Zorane. Keep on dictating to the Albanians what they must do. That's a great way to bridge gaps.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

If you were independent already there would be no need for discussions as it would be an internal matter. However, since both Belgrade and Pristina are involved then you independence claim somehow goes down the drain.(Zoran)

Just the same. If Kosova is part of Serbia as you claim, than why Serb officials are holding talks with Kosova officials in EU Caital? According to your logic, Kosova is internal issue for Serbia. What internal?

Korab_Prishtina

pre 13 godina

@Kosova_USA

With all due respect, your name on that blog as Kosova_USA just annoys me as it does with every fellow Albanian in Kosovo who worships them too much! Fair enough, they helped us but it is hypocritical to accuse Serbs of loving Russians madly when we do the same with US.

Secondly, the talks will remain technical as the EU will not want to open status talks on a project that it has financed itself (i.e. Kosovo's independence) Serbia cannot deny the new reality in Kosovo, but Kosovo should also be aware of the fact that there is a different interpretation of history on the Serb side. It will take time for both parties to be rational on the representation of history.

HanaBerisha

pre 13 godina

Both parties are failing to talk on what needs to be said.

Kosovo should ask for the pensions paid in the form of income tax by generations and generations over years to Yugoslavia.

Serbia should ask the return of the displaced Kosovo Serbs, which get discriminated upon in Serbia proper.

Both sides should seriously consider talking about missing people. The list goes on and on.

Korab_Prishtina

pre 13 godina

@ Zoran,

I think it is wishful thinking to deny the presence of independence. Whether you accept it or not, it is a new reality. You cannot deny something that took place - this is what I am trying to say.
I fully agree with you that Kosovo is highly dependent on US and EU, but you should acknowledge that these talks will not reverse the independence, it might, however, lead to new talks on resolving the North.

Many in Prishtina say the North is an internal issue of Kosovo, but I am in full disagreement with that. The North needs both sides to get involved. And by saying sides, you automatically imply that there are two sides which have a say over one area = The North. The rest is not a matter of discussion.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

And by saying sides, you automatically imply that there are two sides which have a say over one area = The North. The rest is not a matter of discussion.
(Korab_Prishtina, 10 March 2011 17:36)
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How can you say the rest is not a matter of discussion when that is exactly what is going on now? What is this dialogue all about? You think it's about the north only?

Sorry to bust your delusional bubble but the whole territory of KiM is up for discussion. The North to you is what KiM is to us.

If you were independent already there would be no need for discussions as it would be an internal matter. However, since both Belgrade and Pristina are involved then you independence claim somehow goes down the drain.

The only reality my friend is the proclamation of independence, which never got off the ground and in fact put you in deeper isolation. However, if you believe what you have now is independence then I am happy with that. No need to discuss further.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Secondly, the talks will remain technical as the EU will not want to open status talks on a project that it has financed itself (i.e. Kosovo's independence) Serbia cannot deny the new reality in Kosovo, but Kosovo should also be aware of the fact that there is a different interpretation of history on the Serb side.
(Korab_Prishtina, 10 March 2011 12:44)
--
Exactly what is the new reality? Kosovo Independence? The reality my friend is that "Kosova" is highly dependent on the EU and US. Parallel structures have existed in the province for decades with Serbians and other non-Albanians loyal to Serbia. There is certainly no independence in sight so I'm trying to figure this new reality out. It seems like wishful thinking more than anything.

Now the new reality all really comes down to one thing and that is bridging the gap between Serbians and Albanians so we can create peace in the region. If anyone attempts to sell-out then that only plants the seeds for future conflict. Both sides have to win otherwise there will be another round of conflict.

Korab_Prishtina

pre 13 godina

@Kosova_USA

With all due respect, your name on that blog as Kosova_USA just annoys me as it does with every fellow Albanian in Kosovo who worships them too much! Fair enough, they helped us but it is hypocritical to accuse Serbs of loving Russians madly when we do the same with US.

Secondly, the talks will remain technical as the EU will not want to open status talks on a project that it has financed itself (i.e. Kosovo's independence) Serbia cannot deny the new reality in Kosovo, but Kosovo should also be aware of the fact that there is a different interpretation of history on the Serb side. It will take time for both parties to be rational on the representation of history.

Mike

pre 13 godina

Korab_Prishtina,

It would seem northern Kosovo is to Pristina, what much of the rest of Kosovo is to Belgrade: claimed but not controlled. If both sides are looking to use these talks as a way of moving forward towards their own goals (EU membership for Belgrade and further international integration for Pristina), the logical step would then be for both sides to realize where the de facto lines of authority lie and to settle there. I really can't see Belgrade successfully getting Kosovo back, and to be honest I doubt there's anyone in Belgrade that really wants this. But the one comparative advantage I feel Belgrade has is that is has blocked Pristina from further international ascension. To solve this, which basically means Belgrade stops blocking, may involve Pristina conceding over these disputed areas in Kosovo. They get to keep their policy of "independence", but what they claim as theirs is further reduced. Whether this results in outright partition, which I don't support, or internal cantonization like Bosnia, which I do, remains to be seen. Whatever happens, let's hope these talks remain constructive and flexible.

Danilo

pre 13 godina

The north should go to Serbia and Presovo valley to Kosovo. If not, there will be the same problem in 50 years.

Sometimes good fences make good neighbours.

Korab_Prishtina

pre 13 godina

@Zoran
If you were independent already there would be no need for discussions as it would be an internal matter. However, since both Belgrade and Pristina are involved then you independence claim somehow goes down the drain.
(Zoran, 10 March 2011 18:11)

Equally, your claim that Kosovo is part of Serbia goes down the drain too! If Kosovo was your so-called KiM, you would not need negotiations for internal issues. You are having negotiations because it is not regarded as yours but interests you.

Secondly, when I said the rest is not a matter of discussion, I was referring to the whole South of Kosovo as a territory. These talks are concerned with the South of Kosovo too, but they focus on technical issues and not the status or Kosovo's sovereignty-related issues.

But the North is different. With no double standards applied, the North should technically get a special status or split from Kosovo proper.

Can't say that about Serb places in the South. They have already started to integrate in the Kosovo institutions anyway!

pss

pre 13 godina

If Kosovo is independent, as you guys claim, why aren’t the talks held in Pristina? Hmmmm??????
(sj, 10 March 2011 21:38)
Must be running out of fuel for your propaganda machine. Anyone versed in international affairs as yourself or by your claims to be know that any type of controversial meeting between 2 states are always held on nuetral grounds. So having the meeting in Brussels would be more a show of independence than in Pristina. Because there Serbia could claim the talks were held in the "province"

sj

pre 13 godina

Just the same. If Kosova is part of Serbia as you claim, than why Serb officials are holding talks with Kosova officials in EU Caital? According to your logic, Kosova is internal issue for Serbia. What internal?
(Agim Kelmendi, 10 March 2011 18:35)

If Kosovo is independent, as you guys claim, why aren’t the talks held in Pristina? Hmmmm??????

MikeC

pre 13 godina

"By the way, the Russian newspaper said that; The meeting that took place, is a concrete proof that Serbia is heading towards recognition of Kosova."

Agim Kelmendi

Interesting that albanians normally rejects all news from Russia, Serbia and all other countries who haven't recognized Kosovo independence. But, all of the sudden albanians are trusting russian journalism.

miri

pre 13 godina

To solve this, which basically means Belgrade stops blocking, may involve Pristina conceding over these disputed areas in Kosovo. They get to keep their policy of "independence", but what they claim as theirs is further reduced.
......
(Mike, 10 March 2011 18:18)


Huh? Pristina has to "OFFICIALLY" concede over the North so Belgrade can allow it to continue with the policy of "independence"?

Are you for real? Who care whether Belgrade allowes anyone to "continue the policy of independence"?

If you had said that Pristina should concede over the north in return for official approval from Belgrade to joining Albania, then I could have taken you seriously.

I see, you still can outsmart everyone.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Just the same. If Kosova is part of Serbia as you claim, than why Serb officials are holding talks with Kosova officials in EU Caital? According to your logic, Kosova is internal issue for Serbia. What internal?
(Agim Kelmendi, 10 March 2011 18:35)
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Why do we have to go around in circles every day? KiM is under international administration and has been for the past decade so having a status neutral mediator there is completely in line with UNSCR1244.

If you guys want to sell these negotiations as dialogue between two separate countries on an equal level then that's fine, it is consumption for ethnic Albanians only. We know the real truth thought, right? If you want to claim "Kosova" is independent and you are happy with what you have then I'm not going to complain. It is just that your idea of independence is not the same as mine. But anyway, that will make these negotiations even less complicated.

I don't expect KiM Albanians to stop claiming their independence and I don't expect Serbians to stop claiming sovereignty but that is an old and tired argument. We are now at the level of negotiating the technical details of a functional partition. Note, not a formal partition but a functional one - similarly to what Mike describes as cantons.

Hopefully we'll get there soon and bury the repetitive arguments forever. Then we can start getting along and live peacefully together.

John

pre 13 godina

This would all be solved if both Serbia, and Kosovo as a Seperate entity, but not necassarily a state (its somewhere inbetween Autonomous and Independent) joined the EU, then it would become borderless. However, considering with who run Kosovo in power; thats not going to happen. What they should discuss is a removal of the KLA thugs in power, and basic human rights for Serbs, the deconstruction of Camp Bondsteel might also help.

sj

pre 13 godina

(pss, 10 March 2011 22:34)

Why has Romania held talks with western Moldavia in Switzerland? Romania does not recognize it as independent so does that mean it is? Why has Morocco held talks with the Sahrawi rebel movement in Paris considering that the Moroccan Government see them as rebels and does not recognize them as independent from Morocco. There are other many other examples of internal disagreements being settled outside the country. Oh, perhaps you are aware that the Northern Ireland talks were held on neutral grounds.
Perhaps they might have taught you guys something in those US colleges, but may be not considering the number of illiterates that leave them. When you have two intractable positions the best idea is to move it to neutral territory. You might also note that in these pictures there were no flags or national paraphernalia to identify either party, but then again the Albanians would see Kosovo recognized if a Serb diplomat walked past the door.
He is the stark truth of the matter. The EU are running short on cash and would happily hand over Kosovo back to Belgrade, but the US is still keen to keep Kosovo as “independent” just in case it has to “threaten” Russia’s pipelines coming from the Black Sea. So what you have is a dying empire spreading itself and allies very thin on the ground – I see that the US wants to attack Ghaddafi; good luck there boys, Washington has already screwed up two wars and looking third one or is it third time lucky eh??
When you hear these words “Serbia recognizes Kosovo’s independence” then you can start singing from the roof tops, mate.
But I’m very interested to know how is Kosovo going to survive as a State or “stand on its own two feet”? I have seen drafts of proposed EU budget expenditure for the years 2012 to 2016 and they do not look good at all. I am not joking, I really am interested.
Look at Croatia since EU aid was reduced starting in 2009.

sj

pre 13 godina

(pss, 11 March 2011 18:42)

I’m still waiting to a response to my question:
“…I’m very interested to know how is Kosovo going to survive as a State or “stand on its own two feet”? …. I am not joking, I really am interested.

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

UNMIK Chief Lamberto Zannier said that once Belgrade and Priština reached an agreement on technical issues the issue of recognition of Kosovo would be less problematic.


wow, I feel sorry for Zanier, he will be declared person non grata by Serbs, because of the above statement.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 13 godina

One thing for sure is that Serbia doesn't want these talks. These talks are being forced on Serbia just as the separation of Kosovo from Serbia was forced by the US.

It's very clear that the EU seems to back Serbia now, but that America's economical influence is just too strong.

Meaning that Germany as one of the worlds biggest machine exporters with a great customer base in the USA. Germany is too afraid of jeoporadizing their export market and revenue.

It is only the US that wanted the separation of Kosovo from Serbia.

So much that one could say the USA bombed Serbia to steal Kosovo. Today Kosovo is split into north and south. However, the USA is still adamant in tearing away all of Kosovo from Serbia.

I believe the US goal is to rid all Serbs from Kosovo.

It's very clear that Serbia doesn't want to live with Albanians and therefore wish to partition themselves from those organ snatchers, rapists and drug dealers.

But the problem lies with the Albanians pimp. The pimp keeps instructing the Albanians on their next course of action.

Today Albania is a member of NATO, but not because of it's qualifications, but more so because the US said so!

The current dialogue with Kosovo is really a dialogue with the USA.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

I prefer to see the pic while the hand shaking was going on along with big smiles. Check bbc for the true pic.
By the way, the Russian newspaper said that; The meeting that took place, is a concrete proof that Serbia is heading towards recognition of Kosova.Something is on the air, and even foes are smelling it.

Ian, UK

pre 13 godina

“The political situation is blocked and the main hindrance is that Kosovo has not been recognized as an independent state by any international organization,” he said.

How about the International Monetary Fund, The World Bank (both of which Kosovo is a full member), Compact of Free Association, International Road and Transport Union, UNPO, as well as being on the verge of being recognised by the Gulf Cooperation Council once Kuwait recognises Kosovo, which is likely to happen.

kate

pre 13 godina

@ Kosovo-USA - It really doesn't mean much to say that the issue of the recognition of Kosovo would be less problematic, because it would depend on what form and in what part it was recognised.

It's a two way street.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Secondly, the talks will remain technical as the EU will not want to open status talks on a project that it has financed itself (i.e. Kosovo's independence) Serbia cannot deny the new reality in Kosovo, but Kosovo should also be aware of the fact that there is a different interpretation of history on the Serb side.
(Korab_Prishtina, 10 March 2011 12:44)
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Exactly what is the new reality? Kosovo Independence? The reality my friend is that "Kosova" is highly dependent on the EU and US. Parallel structures have existed in the province for decades with Serbians and other non-Albanians loyal to Serbia. There is certainly no independence in sight so I'm trying to figure this new reality out. It seems like wishful thinking more than anything.

Now the new reality all really comes down to one thing and that is bridging the gap between Serbians and Albanians so we can create peace in the region. If anyone attempts to sell-out then that only plants the seeds for future conflict. Both sides have to win otherwise there will be another round of conflict.

Vesna

pre 13 godina

By attending these negotiations, Serbia has in theoretically recognised Kosovo. These negotiations are a product of Serbia's resolution to UN, which was amended striclty, disallowing Serbia to ask for status talks. As such Serbia, has decided to forfeit this issue for the sake of EU candidacy.
But, we will never join the EU if we do not solve the Kosovo issue i.e. recognise it. The EU will not want another Cyprus.

Albanian from Albania (Canada)

pre 13 godina

Only the collaborations between Serbs and K-Albanians can get the region out of poverty, criminality towards EU integration. Think economy not folklore. There will be no borders if both Kosovo and Serbia become part of EU. This is the final goal. Make a sincere peace. I have seen Serbs and K-Albanians in Canada and figured out that they have more in common then anyone else in ex-Yougoslavia.

Danilo

pre 13 godina

"sell-out"

see?

"Now the new reality all really comes down to one thing and that is bridging the gap between Serbians and Albanians so we can create peace in the region."

You're really on track with that, Zorane. Keep on dictating to the Albanians what they must do. That's a great way to bridge gaps.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

And by saying sides, you automatically imply that there are two sides which have a say over one area = The North. The rest is not a matter of discussion.
(Korab_Prishtina, 10 March 2011 17:36)
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How can you say the rest is not a matter of discussion when that is exactly what is going on now? What is this dialogue all about? You think it's about the north only?

Sorry to bust your delusional bubble but the whole territory of KiM is up for discussion. The North to you is what KiM is to us.

If you were independent already there would be no need for discussions as it would be an internal matter. However, since both Belgrade and Pristina are involved then you independence claim somehow goes down the drain.

The only reality my friend is the proclamation of independence, which never got off the ground and in fact put you in deeper isolation. However, if you believe what you have now is independence then I am happy with that. No need to discuss further.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

If you were independent already there would be no need for discussions as it would be an internal matter. However, since both Belgrade and Pristina are involved then you independence claim somehow goes down the drain.(Zoran)

Just the same. If Kosova is part of Serbia as you claim, than why Serb officials are holding talks with Kosova officials in EU Caital? According to your logic, Kosova is internal issue for Serbia. What internal?

Korab_Prishtina

pre 13 godina

@Kosova_USA

With all due respect, your name on that blog as Kosova_USA just annoys me as it does with every fellow Albanian in Kosovo who worships them too much! Fair enough, they helped us but it is hypocritical to accuse Serbs of loving Russians madly when we do the same with US.

Secondly, the talks will remain technical as the EU will not want to open status talks on a project that it has financed itself (i.e. Kosovo's independence) Serbia cannot deny the new reality in Kosovo, but Kosovo should also be aware of the fact that there is a different interpretation of history on the Serb side. It will take time for both parties to be rational on the representation of history.

Korab_Prishtina

pre 13 godina

@Kosova_USA

With all due respect, your name on that blog as Kosova_USA just annoys me as it does with every fellow Albanian in Kosovo who worships them too much! Fair enough, they helped us but it is hypocritical to accuse Serbs of loving Russians madly when we do the same with US.

Secondly, the talks will remain technical as the EU will not want to open status talks on a project that it has financed itself (i.e. Kosovo's independence) Serbia cannot deny the new reality in Kosovo, but Kosovo should also be aware of the fact that there is a different interpretation of history on the Serb side. It will take time for both parties to be rational on the representation of history.

HanaBerisha

pre 13 godina

Both parties are failing to talk on what needs to be said.

Kosovo should ask for the pensions paid in the form of income tax by generations and generations over years to Yugoslavia.

Serbia should ask the return of the displaced Kosovo Serbs, which get discriminated upon in Serbia proper.

Both sides should seriously consider talking about missing people. The list goes on and on.

Danilo

pre 13 godina

The north should go to Serbia and Presovo valley to Kosovo. If not, there will be the same problem in 50 years.

Sometimes good fences make good neighbours.

Korab_Prishtina

pre 13 godina

@ Zoran,

I think it is wishful thinking to deny the presence of independence. Whether you accept it or not, it is a new reality. You cannot deny something that took place - this is what I am trying to say.
I fully agree with you that Kosovo is highly dependent on US and EU, but you should acknowledge that these talks will not reverse the independence, it might, however, lead to new talks on resolving the North.

Many in Prishtina say the North is an internal issue of Kosovo, but I am in full disagreement with that. The North needs both sides to get involved. And by saying sides, you automatically imply that there are two sides which have a say over one area = The North. The rest is not a matter of discussion.

MikeC

pre 13 godina

"By the way, the Russian newspaper said that; The meeting that took place, is a concrete proof that Serbia is heading towards recognition of Kosova."

Agim Kelmendi

Interesting that albanians normally rejects all news from Russia, Serbia and all other countries who haven't recognized Kosovo independence. But, all of the sudden albanians are trusting russian journalism.

miri

pre 13 godina

To solve this, which basically means Belgrade stops blocking, may involve Pristina conceding over these disputed areas in Kosovo. They get to keep their policy of "independence", but what they claim as theirs is further reduced.
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(Mike, 10 March 2011 18:18)


Huh? Pristina has to "OFFICIALLY" concede over the North so Belgrade can allow it to continue with the policy of "independence"?

Are you for real? Who care whether Belgrade allowes anyone to "continue the policy of independence"?

If you had said that Pristina should concede over the north in return for official approval from Belgrade to joining Albania, then I could have taken you seriously.

I see, you still can outsmart everyone.

Mike

pre 13 godina

Korab_Prishtina,

It would seem northern Kosovo is to Pristina, what much of the rest of Kosovo is to Belgrade: claimed but not controlled. If both sides are looking to use these talks as a way of moving forward towards their own goals (EU membership for Belgrade and further international integration for Pristina), the logical step would then be for both sides to realize where the de facto lines of authority lie and to settle there. I really can't see Belgrade successfully getting Kosovo back, and to be honest I doubt there's anyone in Belgrade that really wants this. But the one comparative advantage I feel Belgrade has is that is has blocked Pristina from further international ascension. To solve this, which basically means Belgrade stops blocking, may involve Pristina conceding over these disputed areas in Kosovo. They get to keep their policy of "independence", but what they claim as theirs is further reduced. Whether this results in outright partition, which I don't support, or internal cantonization like Bosnia, which I do, remains to be seen. Whatever happens, let's hope these talks remain constructive and flexible.

Korab_Prishtina

pre 13 godina

@Zoran
If you were independent already there would be no need for discussions as it would be an internal matter. However, since both Belgrade and Pristina are involved then you independence claim somehow goes down the drain.
(Zoran, 10 March 2011 18:11)

Equally, your claim that Kosovo is part of Serbia goes down the drain too! If Kosovo was your so-called KiM, you would not need negotiations for internal issues. You are having negotiations because it is not regarded as yours but interests you.

Secondly, when I said the rest is not a matter of discussion, I was referring to the whole South of Kosovo as a territory. These talks are concerned with the South of Kosovo too, but they focus on technical issues and not the status or Kosovo's sovereignty-related issues.

But the North is different. With no double standards applied, the North should technically get a special status or split from Kosovo proper.

Can't say that about Serb places in the South. They have already started to integrate in the Kosovo institutions anyway!

pss

pre 13 godina

If Kosovo is independent, as you guys claim, why aren’t the talks held in Pristina? Hmmmm??????
(sj, 10 March 2011 21:38)
Must be running out of fuel for your propaganda machine. Anyone versed in international affairs as yourself or by your claims to be know that any type of controversial meeting between 2 states are always held on nuetral grounds. So having the meeting in Brussels would be more a show of independence than in Pristina. Because there Serbia could claim the talks were held in the "province"

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Just the same. If Kosova is part of Serbia as you claim, than why Serb officials are holding talks with Kosova officials in EU Caital? According to your logic, Kosova is internal issue for Serbia. What internal?
(Agim Kelmendi, 10 March 2011 18:35)
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Why do we have to go around in circles every day? KiM is under international administration and has been for the past decade so having a status neutral mediator there is completely in line with UNSCR1244.

If you guys want to sell these negotiations as dialogue between two separate countries on an equal level then that's fine, it is consumption for ethnic Albanians only. We know the real truth thought, right? If you want to claim "Kosova" is independent and you are happy with what you have then I'm not going to complain. It is just that your idea of independence is not the same as mine. But anyway, that will make these negotiations even less complicated.

I don't expect KiM Albanians to stop claiming their independence and I don't expect Serbians to stop claiming sovereignty but that is an old and tired argument. We are now at the level of negotiating the technical details of a functional partition. Note, not a formal partition but a functional one - similarly to what Mike describes as cantons.

Hopefully we'll get there soon and bury the repetitive arguments forever. Then we can start getting along and live peacefully together.

sj

pre 13 godina

Just the same. If Kosova is part of Serbia as you claim, than why Serb officials are holding talks with Kosova officials in EU Caital? According to your logic, Kosova is internal issue for Serbia. What internal?
(Agim Kelmendi, 10 March 2011 18:35)

If Kosovo is independent, as you guys claim, why aren’t the talks held in Pristina? Hmmmm??????

John

pre 13 godina

This would all be solved if both Serbia, and Kosovo as a Seperate entity, but not necassarily a state (its somewhere inbetween Autonomous and Independent) joined the EU, then it would become borderless. However, considering with who run Kosovo in power; thats not going to happen. What they should discuss is a removal of the KLA thugs in power, and basic human rights for Serbs, the deconstruction of Camp Bondsteel might also help.

sj

pre 13 godina

(pss, 10 March 2011 22:34)

Why has Romania held talks with western Moldavia in Switzerland? Romania does not recognize it as independent so does that mean it is? Why has Morocco held talks with the Sahrawi rebel movement in Paris considering that the Moroccan Government see them as rebels and does not recognize them as independent from Morocco. There are other many other examples of internal disagreements being settled outside the country. Oh, perhaps you are aware that the Northern Ireland talks were held on neutral grounds.
Perhaps they might have taught you guys something in those US colleges, but may be not considering the number of illiterates that leave them. When you have two intractable positions the best idea is to move it to neutral territory. You might also note that in these pictures there were no flags or national paraphernalia to identify either party, but then again the Albanians would see Kosovo recognized if a Serb diplomat walked past the door.
He is the stark truth of the matter. The EU are running short on cash and would happily hand over Kosovo back to Belgrade, but the US is still keen to keep Kosovo as “independent” just in case it has to “threaten” Russia’s pipelines coming from the Black Sea. So what you have is a dying empire spreading itself and allies very thin on the ground – I see that the US wants to attack Ghaddafi; good luck there boys, Washington has already screwed up two wars and looking third one or is it third time lucky eh??
When you hear these words “Serbia recognizes Kosovo’s independence” then you can start singing from the roof tops, mate.
But I’m very interested to know how is Kosovo going to survive as a State or “stand on its own two feet”? I have seen drafts of proposed EU budget expenditure for the years 2012 to 2016 and they do not look good at all. I am not joking, I really am interested.
Look at Croatia since EU aid was reduced starting in 2009.

sj

pre 13 godina

(pss, 11 March 2011 18:42)

I’m still waiting to a response to my question:
“…I’m very interested to know how is Kosovo going to survive as a State or “stand on its own two feet”? …. I am not joking, I really am interested.