"Don't expect miracles from Kosovo talks"

"He added that in Serbia's opinion, the status is settled and it is that Kosovo is "unquestionably part of Serbia."

LOL, than why the talks? Than gain you did mention 'opinion'.

"Serbia does not want to change in any way Priština's outlook on the status issue, because it has its own view of the matter - Kosovo is part of Serbia, just as they feel that Kosovo is an independent state," Stefanovic noted."

So there's not much to negotiate on that. Nobody is willing to propose/accept the obvious, straightforward and logical solution which is a partition: Just as Kosovo Albanians don't want to live in a multiethnic Serbian state, Kosovo Serbs simply don't wish to live in an multi-ethnic Kosovo state. If Albanians claim that it's their right to be independent from Serbia, how can they refuse the same right to Serbs in Kosovo? It makes no sense to me.

"So there's not much to negotiate on that. Nobody is willing to propose/accept the obvious, straightforward and logical solution which is a partition: Just as Kosovo Albanians don't want to live in a multiethnic Serbian state, Kosovo Serbs simply don't wish to live in multi-ethnic Kosovo. If Albanians claim that it's their right to be independent from Serbia, how can they refuse the same right to Serbs in Kosovo? It makes no sense to me".


It is possible that for you many things make no sense especially those related to Albanians, however I will try to give an answer for your question.

Kosovo Albanians had been living for 78 years under Serbs in a peaceful multiethnic state dominated by Serbs. Such state did nothing to make them feel as rightful citizens of Serbia by considering them second hand citizens. This has been actually the fate of all kind of minorities in Serbia. The situation culminated in 1998 when Serbia send them all sort of criminals to exterminate people from Kosovo. The result was killing of 12000 thousand of its citizens with no other precedent in history since WWII. That is why the Kosovo Albanians don't want to live again under Serbs because they simply don't trust anymore Serbian state.

Kosovo Serbs nowadays have all kind of possible rights to live and govern even in the higher instances of government. If Serbia does not want that is another story. Thos Serbs in Kosovo have the right to be independent only if:
- Kosovo government behaves like Serbian government did always in respect of basic human rights
- they are attacked by criminal army, paramilitaries, police as Serbs did against their own citizens in 1998 ,1999 considering them as useless property like Nazis considered the Jews in WWII

Serbia is, again unfortunately, playing a dangerous game by minimizing the fact that there will be a negotiations of two independent states. For me, it looks as Serbia does not want any success which would be substantial for ethnic Srbs living in Kosovo. It appears that Serbia continues to be unstable and desintegrative factor for the stability of Balkans.

"Kosovo Serbs nowadays have all kind of possible rights to live and govern even in the higher instances of government."
(Endri, 7 March 2011 13:58)
The problem is: The Kosovo government (old and new) is made up of persons who were former KLA fighters, who allegedly killed Serbs. Just like an Albanaian surely doesn't wont to live under Milosevic, I can understand that Kosovo Serbs have serious problems to live in a state where Thaci is prime minister and the police officers are not professionals, but former 'feedom fighters'.

Dave: "Forget Presevo, forget whether the whole of Kosovo is legally part of Serbia or not, what is your rationale for denying the people of this territory the right to self-determination that you claim for yourselves?"

Why forget Presheva, Dave? What is your rationale, for denying the people of Presheva the right to self-determination that you claim for North of Ibar?



Top: "I can understand that Kosovo Serbs have serious problems to live in a state where Thaci is prime minister and the police officers are not professionals, but former 'feedom fighters'"

Kosova Serbs have no problem to live and to work with Thaci. The deputy prime minister is a Serb, we have 17 Serbs in the parliament, many more in all levels of the government, the local governments in the serb majority areas are lead by local Serbs, and the KP is made of a good mix of Serbs and Albanians, that enforces Kosova's laws both in the north and south of Ibar. Your so-called fear of Serbs to live in Kosova is unfounded, and mostly stems from the propagada of our northern neighbor.

Mr StefanoviC

If Kosova is not independant than prove it and enter Kosova without permission of EULEX & Kosova's government.

Try to enter as if Kosova was still "a province" of Serbia.

If you can not succeed than there is your answer: KOSOVA = INDEPENDANT!

And that is for sure.

Tung

Leposavic and Zubin Potok (at the end) will join with Serbia, while Kosova will take Presheva valley and together will join with Albania. After this "precedent", Macedonia will be divided in two between Bulgaria and Albania...and that's it.

He added that in Serbia's opinion, the status is settled and it is that Kosovo is "unquestionably part of Serbia."
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It all really comes back to more than autonomy, less than independence with self-rule by KiM Albanians. That is the reality my friends. You can't claim to be independent when you have an international presence such as EULEX, UNMIK and NATO, no control over a large section of territory (the North) and no UN seat just to name a few things.

Status issues will be discussed but cannot be resolved. The current status - more than autonomy, less than independence will have to remain indefinitely.

Now what sort of compromised can we expect? An international telephone code for KiM in exchange for Serbian telecom companies to operate in the territory? Serbia to control the two northern administrative border crossings in exchange for recognising "Kosova" passports? Hong Kong is part of China but has its own passport. Serbian car registration plates to be accepted in exchange for "Kosova" plates in Serbian areas (and other parts of Serbia)? What are K-Albanian prepared to offer for participation in the Olympics (but under the Olympic flag only)?

I think we are talking about a functional partition here (not formal). Serbians control their areas (linked to Serbia) and KiM Albanians having self-rule by controlling their areas. Then we have some co-operation with freedom of travel and transportation of goods, tax, customs, etc...

Dave - don't bother. Many of us have tried asking the same question and have never received a decent reply. KAs don't want to live under Serbia and want self-determination, but refuse to grant it to Kosovo Serbs. It is the most narrow minded thinking I have ever come across, but this is the result of a political culture that has developed with the belief that threats of violence can get you anything you want. As they see it, there is no need to compromise, let alone engage in some meaningful self-reflection.

This is not intended as a provocation: I'm genuinely interested in the answer as to why, according to a Pristina official last week, secession of the North would cause war to break out.
(Dave, 7 March 2011)

Dave no one from the Serb negotiation team has brought up the offer of partition. Why should the Albanains even entertain the idea of partition when the Serbs don't bring it up but insist that Kosovo is Serbia?

When the Serbs make an offer to partition rest assured the counteroffer will include the swapping for Presheva.
Also bear in mind that partition comes after recognitiion so unless Serbia recognizes Kosova's independence partition isn't even in the cards.

Top,

would you like us to deport ex-UCK and all their supporters so that we can preserve your precious feelings? Get real, they are the product of their environment. If there wasn't brute Serb aggression there would have never been an UCK, a war, or a country; this is fact.

It's time to move and realize that you have integrate. If not you can "boycott" all you want, i.e. what is it 180 days "WITHOUT" phone lines in Graqanica?




Thanks,

"Kosovo Serbs nowadays have all kind of possible rights to live and govern even in the higher instances of government. "
(Endri, 7 March 2011 13:58)

That's the theory. And even this only because of the EU/UN dictated the Kosovo constitution to include minority rights. You know, in old YU, everyone has been equal, too - in theory. It only needed a Milosevic to take away the Kosovo autonomy. It will only take some more extremistic leaders in Kosovo to change the constitution, especially once the UNMIK/EULEX will leave, in some 10 years. We all know: This 'multiethnic Kosovo' idea might be nice, but it won't work. It only needed some dirty media campaign spreading lies about "Serbs killed some Albanian children" to incite a mob burning houses and torching churches (2004). All based only on lies and propaganda. Have the responsible editors of these 'newspapers' ever been prosecuted for inciting ethnic hate?

"The problem is: The Kosovo government (old and new) is made up of persons who were former KLA fighters, who allegedly killed Serbs. Just like an Albanaian surely doesn't wont to live under Milosevic, I can understand that Kosovo Serbs have serious problems to live in a state where Thaci is prime minister and the police officers are not professionals, but former 'feedom fighters'."

The post-war government all around the world are made up of ex fighters/leaders which have the right and moral to govern. Kosovo is not an exception.

I can accept the fact that KLA elements committed crimes against the civilians Serbs but I can not accept that KLA was a force with a policy to kill and cleanse Serbs out of Kosovo as the intention of Serbian army in 1999 was.

You compare Thaci with Milosevic!! Milosevic was war criminal while Thaci is not. That is why he is still in power. Thaci included Serbs in his government to decide for their future while Milosevic said to Serbs in Kosovo "do whatever you want, nobody will touch you". You must be very naive to compare the government of Milosevic 12 years ago with that of Thaci nowadays.

Police officers in Kosovo are being trained by EU police and until now no incident took place because of their "poor professionalism". What is the problem with the "freedom fighters"? They are working just as "Serbian army fighters" in Kosovo which are now still serving their army somewhere in Serbia. Kosovo police is continually under supervision from EU police and I don't think that anyone can abuse with its position to revenge.

"The post-war government all around the world are made up of ex fighters/leaders which have the right and moral to govern. Kosovo is not an exception. "
(Endri, 7 March 2011 16:10)

You are right! That's a usual habit. And especially in Africa, those freedom fighters, after a while, often turn into dictators who do everything to stay in power for years, to enrich themselves. If needed, they manipulate elections, buy votes, ... Any similarities?

"Milosevic was a criminal, and reelected. Many Serbs, even nowadays, see him as hero and defender of Serbdom. In fact, he brought only misery to the region with his idiotic ethnic policies. Thaci is a criminal, and re-elected. Many Albanians see him as a hero and freedom fighter. In fact, he's only caring for Kosovo as a homebase for doing his 'business' and provide his buddies with good jobs in the state and public companies. Serbia cleaned itself from the Milosevic regime. Kosovo missed this chance to clear itself and elect leaders with clean hands after the last election, only that's why he's still in power".

You and me can not decide who is criminal and who isnt! Bring us here some reliable sources (instead of some propaganda articles and sites)where is clearly proved that Thaci is a criminal as you describe him. Dick Marty tried it but we Albanians are still waiting him to show the facts in order to remove Thaci once and for all. I am afraid that it will be just a fiction story gone with Carla.

The problem you mention with jobs is a well known Balkan syndrome not only present in Kosovo and that has to do more with his background than his "criminal activities". In order to get a job in administration everywhere in Balkans you must have some known, friends, relatives and so one. Sometimes, unfortunately the merits play second role.

As for elections, I don't think that you can blame an entire nation. You should be concerned about Kosovo leaders as we Albanians are about Serbian leaders. Is it important for us!! Not at all, you have your way we have our.

I'm interested whether anyone in Team Albania can explain the logic of Pristina that the North has no right to self-determination and therefore remaining part of Serbia. Forget Presevo, forget whether the whole of Kosovo is legally part of Serbia or not, what is your rationale for denying the people of this territory the right to self-determination that you claim for yourselves?

This is not intended as a provocation: I'm genuinely interested in the answer as to why, according to a Pristina official last week, secession of the North would cause war to break out.

"You compare Thaci with Milosevic!! Milosevic was war criminal while Thaci is not. That is why he is still in power.
(Endri, 7 March 2011 16:10)

Milosevic was a criminal, and reelected. Many Serbs, even nowadays, see him as hero and defender of Serbdom. In fact, he brought only misery to the region with his idiotic ethnic policies. Thaci is a criminal, and re-elected. Many Albanians see him as a hero and freedom fighter. In fact, he's only caring for Kosovo as a homebase for doing his 'business' and provide his buddies with good jobs in the state and public companies. Serbia cleaned itself from the Milosevic regime. Kosovo missed this chance to clear itself and elect leaders with clean hands after the last election, only that's why he's still in power.

Some differences, some similarities...

Dave, I understood your question correctly and gave you the answer accordingly. N-Kosova and Presheva Valley are inter-related, because when Tito changed the borders of Kosova, it took away Presheva and gave it to Serbia and took N-Kosova from Serbia and gave it to Kosova. His goal was to delute the ethnic majority in Kosova, and although in surface it might have appeared a fair deal deal (same size of land, same population), in actuality it was not, because Kosova is smaller than Serbia; If you run the percentages you'll see that Kosova was the damaged party.

So, now Serbs want to take both Presheva Valley and N-Kosova. Most Albanians would have no problem of giving N-Kosova to Serbia, provided they return Presheva Valley to Kosova. So the right of Self-determination goes both ways. But, Serbs want to bully they way, to get everything they want, for nothing in return. Presheva Valley constitutes nothing for Serbia, its size is irrelevant to Serbia size and it doesn't have all the minerals that N Kosova has. So the refusal to exchange makes the Serbia's stance even more arrogant.

"Serbia does not want to change in any way Priština's outlook on the status issue, because it has its own view of the matter - Kosovo is part of Serbia, just as they feel that Kosovo is an independent state," Stefanović noted.

He added that in Serbia's opinion, the status is settled and it is that Kosovo is "unquestionably part of Serbia."




And how come you dont control this ''part of your country'' then?? And why do you want to join an union wich 22 of 27 member states recognize Kosovo as independent??


Com' on this guy is delsuional. He lives in some dream fairytale thinking another country with its own goverment, institution and security forces are part of his country. I am sorry but I think he sounds very foolish with this kind of statments.



Reamamber that to enter EU you have to have good relations with all your neighbours. The goal of the serbian delegation is clear and that is to get EU candidate status by the end of the year. You have do give up on your many ''red lines'' to get to that point.


And to be a real member of the union you will have to recognize your borders and the borders of your neighbours.

Com on, is it even possible for Kosovo to belong to Serbia by now ?? I think its delusional to even think that. It's impossible!!


Serbia indirectly recognizes Kosovo by having a dialoug with Kosovo on an equal level. Good to know tha the dialoug will not touch the already settled status of Kosovo. It means respecting the integrity and sovereignity of the 'other side'.

As far as the official serbian position, i couldn't care less. we kicked them out of their one-time former colony, but sadly not until they butchered thousands, raped god knows how many, terrorized the entire population. but their reign of terror in kosova is OVER.

as for the north, that was allowed by nato to remain under mup control, that is, the mafia, actually multi-ethnic. i personally would never give up one inch of kosova to the enemy, that is, to serbia, to the .

kosova is not a perfect mulit-cultural state - - who is? not serbia, not hardly. the only thing they know how to do effectively with their minorities is either to kill them, or deport them -- that is, the lucky ones.

those left inside the present day serbian borders are pretty miserable, despite all of the propaganda. there needs to be tremendous outside presure exerted in order to obtain minimal human rights in that country, as in the protection of the last lgbt parade, only under the toughest EU pressure. the extradition of a handful of the worst war criminals, only under the toughest outside pressure. the adjudication of a tiny handful of local war criminals, only under the total pressure of Kandic and the intl community.

the situation for minorities inside serbia is pathetic -- they can hardly talk about any other country.

but let me get to my main point -- as long as jovan divjak is being held as political prisoner (in vienna, but due to the "post" milosevic blgd regime) i would absolutely boycott all talks. period.until he is freed and back in safe territory in sarajevo.

i do not say this because of any support kosova has rec'd from the bosnian govt -- that has yet to happen, nevermind the "entity" of so called rs. i say it because of all countries, kosova must know what it is like to be a political prisoner of serbia's. after the war, serbia held on to hundreds of kosovar citizens -- who were commonly tortured and held in the most miserable of conditions. how shall we say it -- serbian style? a style they had become accustomed to with their bosnian and croatian prisoners, think the concentration camps (over 100) think omarska, think serbian prisons throughout serbia and kosovo.

think albin kurti and flora brovina. both of them were tortured in prison, not just psychologically but physically as well. we've interviewed both of them and have extensive documentation. some died during or after the torture, others were smply driven mad. nice,eh?

and jovan divjak is in many ways just another man who, theoretically, could be headed for serbian imprisonment. as a political prisoner. no telling what might be his fate in such circumstances.

so until he is freed, i would say: NO TALKS!

and when talks do begin, the first item on our agenda should be: serbia must open all mass gravesites in their territory. serbia must arrest all war criminals in their territory -- not harbor them.

serbia must (in this case) acknowledge the immense level of guilt in the atrocities, in the genocidal campaign against the kosovar albanians. they must acknowledge, and pay reparations to those families. nothing less is acceptable.

on the other side, kosovar authorities must do everything they can to track down the fates of non-albanians,in their territories. i don't mean all of the fake and ugly accusations of the white which, marty, etc. i mean their actual fates. that is our responsibility.

serbia has gotten away w/ mass murder, big time, and massive cover-ups. i mean then,and i mean now. including the industrialized burning of alb bodies in industrial complexes at trepca,and in serbia itself. this MUST come public, the truth must all come out.

we shall see.

roberto frisco

For argument sake let’s say Belgrade recognizes Kosovo as independent. Now that is aside how is Kosovo going to survive financially? Will the Albanians swear that they will NEVER go to Serbia looking for work? If I was persecuted like all these Albos claim I would never set foot in Kosovo and work for my persecutors.
So far I have only been met with deadly silence.
(sj, 7 March 2011 22:23)


You don't have enough work for your own Serbs, and you trying to make at sound like K-Albos are coming to Serbia to look for work. People from this part of the world go to western countries for work.

This only means that in time, Kosovo will be under Belgrade's control again.

Serbs everywhere need know to this, and not be distracted by the little things.

Why forget Presheva, Dave? What is your rationale, for denying the people of Presheva the right to self-determination that you claim for North of Ibar?
(arti, 7 March 2011 16:23)

You're misreading what I said. I was trying to avoid the "you did this so we'll do that" tit for tat nonsense that seems to characterise all Belgrade-Pristina exchanges and get down to the principle, but I think you've answered my point anyway. What you're saying is that there is a right to self-determination that is absolute, which many would agree with though there are inevitably complications. In that case, why was that Kosovo official last week talking about war if the North went its own way. or was out of step with what people down there believe?

(Zoran, 7 March 2011 15:18)

I see you have given this a lot of thought and have it settled in your mind as the only option possible. Just remember it is in "YOUR" mind it is settled.
Notice you said Kosovo cannot call themselves independent when they have have international presence UN, Eulex, NATO, but notice the one name missing?
That is the independence, no Serbia.
The only options on the table right now is to perceived as an independent state, as done by 75 countries or as a UN/EU protectorate as seen by the rest of the world.
Lets see 2 scenarios to see how it affects Serbia,
1. Serbia gives up its claims on Kosovo(whether this includes recognition or not) it proceeds smoothly and quickly into the EU.
2. Kosovo accepts your terms, Serbia begins the entrance process all over again from start, as nothing presented to the EU has Kosovo listed, and many many issues would have to be resolved first.
Which do you think the current leadership in your country is more likely to let happen? While they say no EU without Serbia note they have not insisted on including Kosovo in any of their preparatory work!

While I am sure you think it is a very generous and undeserving offer for the Albanian people, nothing has changed you think Serbia should dictate what Kosovo can and cannot have.

...Albanians or Albanian Roma.
(sj, 8 March 2011)

Albanian Roma? Really? Did you just make up a new ethnic group?

For argument sake let’s say Belgrade recognizes Kosovo as independent. Now that is aside how is Kosovo going to survive financially? Will the Albanians swear that they will NEVER go to Serbia looking for work? If I was persecuted like all these Albos claim I would never set foot in Kosovo and work for my persecutors.
So far I have only been met with deadly silence.

Guys for the umpteenth time random posters on B92 do not represent the views of Belgrade (same for the Albanian side)
No partition is being offered by Belgrade so there's no chance in hell Prishtina will voluntary give up territory.

Also bear in mind that the Albanians made a huge concession by ruling out uniting with Albania. Once partition comes into play Albanians will counteroffer with:
1. Swap Presheva for North of Ibar.
2. Kosova and Albania unite.

You ready to play ball?

"This only means that in time, Kosovo will be under Belgrade's control again."
Trudsaam 7 March 2011
Sometime I wonder how anybody can make such a statement like this even though its obvious its self-pleasing.
According to Serbia's own statistics the Serbs are in deep population decline.Over two thousand villages are completely deserted. South Serbia is becoming depopulated fast by low birth rate and migration and making things is economic decline. Last I heard is Chinese are taking over the farms. Serbia should be happy with what they have instead of eying Kosovo.In a near future you when part EU you will see Albanian farmers buying deserted cheap farms in southern Serbia.

If there wasn't brute Serb aggression there would have never been an UCK, a war, or a country; this is fact. (KOSO)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the KLA set up by Hashim Thaci and other Kosovar Albanians residing in Switzerland in the early 1990s, before any aggression by Serbian authorities against Albanians in Kosovo?

dave,

I'll make it short and sweet. The area which you call "the North" is the byproduct of ethnic cleansing post-'99. Serbia got away with pulling a trick over Bosnian eyes with so called srpska Republik.....we're not going to allow you that pleasure. If the clowns in bg did propose partition Kosovars would gladly give Zubin Poton, Zveqan, etc to Serbia for Presheva Valley & recognition.

Without recognition bg clowns can forget pulling a "win" via a partition.






Thanks,

I expect a berating of the eu mediator by the MFA representative. Lady trailer park said the us will be called in when the eu says so. And Russia and China will be called in when Serbia says so. This "negotiation" will be between the eu and Serbia, that is why the k-albos have no platform.

Is there anyone who can tell me what are they going to talk about?
As far as I know these so called talks would not give anything new just more senseless arguments between Belgrade and Prishtina.
Personaly, I would never participated in such talks.
If Belgrade do not want to recognize Kosovo then all I would say is whatever

You and me can not decide who is criminal and who isnt! Bring us here some reliable sources (instead of some propaganda articles and sites)where is clearly proved that Thaci is a criminal as you describe him.
(Endri, 7 March 2011 17:26)

Fair enough, except on this basis Milosevic died an innocent man as well. Personally, I reckon they both are/were crooks and I don't need the clueless ICTY to take 10 years to tell me so.

These negotiations will only prove that the current situation is the only solution. Serbs and albanians are like jews and arabs. They simply can't live together. So, prepare for status quo, a partitioned Kosovo is here to stay.

Mr StefanoviC

If Kosova is not independant than prove it and enter Kosova without permission of EULEX & Kosova's government.

Try to enter as if Kosova was still "a province" of Serbia.

If you can not succeed than there is your answer: KOSOVA = INDEPENDANT!

And that is for sure.

Tung
(FREEDOM, 7 March 2011 14:39)

RE: Proof is in the pudding, not in the powder

"Without permission without Eulex & Kosovo"

He does not have to say anything, you have proved it as Kosovo is heavily reliant on EULEX and as such, remains a protectorate at best.

Also bear in mind that the Albanians made a huge concession by ruling out uniting with Albania. Once partition comes into play Albanians will counteroffer with:
1. Swap Presheva for North of Ibar.
2. Kosova and Albania unite.

You ready to play ball?
(Zoti, 8 March 2011 00:04)
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K-Albanians would join Albania in a heartbeat if only they could.
First Albania does not want them and second they don't have permission of their masters to do so.

So please don't make statements like this in the future. You know you are not wanted or allowed to do that.

Oh Roberto, you are so bitter. Why so bitter?
You keep telling us that you are Jewish but clearly you are not. You blood is either Albanian or Bosnian Muslim because nobody not even some Albanians here are as bitter as you.
Your hatred for Serbia or Serbs in general is so obvious so please in future don't insult our intelligence by telling us how impartial you are.

As much as I don't agree with Albanian posters here, I don't have loathing for them because they are only expressing their loyalty and love for their own. That is being honest.

You on the other hand doesn't deserve the same consideration because you lie and try to deceive us as to who you really are. That does not deserve any respect but loathing. You cannot even debate honestly.

All you are here is a joke. Surely you can see that. You are not fooling anyone.

(Agim Kelmendi, 8 March 2011 07:17)

The west is bursting at the seams with migrant workers and with the GFC still having a great affect on their economies, except for Australia, the chances of your mates leaving Kosovo and looking for work is ZERO. The EU wants to return thousands of Albanians back to Kosovo not take more in.
Look at Belgium, they are threatening Serbia with seeking termination of the visa free travel because there are too many “Serbians” seeking asylum who funny enough turn out to be Albanians or Albanian Roma.
I’ll be happy if you just give me a definite “NEVER to work in Serbia or for any Serb”, that’s all. Waiting for your answer.

(Agim Kelmendi, 8 March 2011 07:17)

The west is bursting at the seams with migrant workers and with the GFC still having a great affect on their economies, except for Australia, the chances of your mates leaving Kosovo and looking for work is ZERO. The EU wants to return thousands of Albanians back to Kosovo not take more in.
Look at Belgium, they are threatening Serbia with seeking termination of the visa free travel because there are too many “Serbians” seeking asylum who funny enough turn out to be Albanians or Albanian Roma.
I’ll be happy if you just give me a definite “NEVER to work in Serbia or for any Serb”, that’s all. Waiting for your answer.

Albanian Roma? Really? Did you just make up a new ethnic group?
(Zoti, 8 March 2011 15:19)

How about Albanian Gypsies or would Moslem Gypsies that live amongst Albanians do???
No matter how you look at it they are your people.

How about Albanian Gypsies or would Moslem Gypsies that live amongst Albanians do???
No matter how you look at it they are your people.
(sj, 8 March 2011)

I guess if you look at it that way then in Kosova we must have Albanians Serbs too right?
As for them being "my people" they sided with the Serbs during the war so NO they most definitely are NOT "my people."

As for making statements I was under the impression that this is a website that suports freedom of speech. I am also more qualified than you since I am born and raised in Tirana. You Serbs comment on every topic here on how you should re-subjugate the Albanians under your rule and I believe that gives me the right to express my desire to unify my people. There's nothing nobler than that.
(Zoti, 10 March 2011 16:24)
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Of course you have the right to your opinion. I was only trying to spare you the embarrassment of making silly comments.
I being a Serb is also qualified to speak about what is good for Serbia and her people. Just because you were born in Tirana doesn't qualify you any more. Actually your comments would probably be more appreciated on an Albanian site. This being a Serbian site is not the right vehicle for you to peddle your cause.

K-Albanians would join Albania in a heartbeat if only they could.
First Albania does not want them and second they don't have permission of their masters to do so.

So please don't make statements like this in the future. You know you are not wanted or allowed to do that.
(Peggy, 10 March 2011)

Albania does want unification, it's the political class that has to keep with the EU line that speaks as if they don't want it. The most admired politician in Albania today is Albin Kurti the main proponent of unification.

As for making statements I was under the impression that this is a website that suports freedom of speech. I am also more qualified than you since I am born and raised in Tirana. You Serbs comment on every topic here on how you should re-subjugate the Albanians under your rule and I believe that gives me the right to express my desire to unify my people. There's nothing nobler than that.

Of course you have the right to your opinion. I was only trying to spare you the embarrassment of making silly comments.
I being a Serb is also qualified to speak about what is good for Serbia and her people. Just because you were born in Tirana doesn't qualify you any more. Actually your comments would probably be more appreciated on an Albanian site. This being a Serbian site is not the right vehicle for you to peddle your cause.
(Peggy, 11 March 2011)

I am only commenting on what concerns Albanians in Kosova and Albania. I don't care if this is a Serb, American or Albanian site. That is up the moderators of this forum to determine whether they want to post my comment or not and not you. I have the same rights here as everyone else.

You keep attacking Albanians on a daily basis here we're just doing our part to present the other point of view.

You keep attacking Albanians on a daily basis here we're just doing our part to present the other point of view.
(Zoti, 11 March 2011 16:21)
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Actually you are the ones who are attacking us constantly and not only attacking but mocking as well.
Sure, you have the right to try to post your rubbish here any time you like and the moderators can print or not. Again same as I but what I said was that an Albanian new site would be a better vehicle for you to peddle your c**p than a Serbian one because not many Serbs bother to read your sites so you won't have as much common sense coming back at you.

"Serbia does not want to change in any way Priština's outlook on the status issue, because it has its own view of the matter - Kosovo is part of Serbia, just as they feel that Kosovo is an independent state," Stefanovic noted."

So there's not much to negotiate on that. Nobody is willing to propose/accept the obvious, straightforward and logical solution which is a partition: Just as Kosovo Albanians don't want to live in a multiethnic Serbian state, Kosovo Serbs simply don't wish to live in an multi-ethnic Kosovo state. If Albanians claim that it's their right to be independent from Serbia, how can they refuse the same right to Serbs in Kosovo? It makes no sense to me.

"He added that in Serbia's opinion, the status is settled and it is that Kosovo is "unquestionably part of Serbia."

LOL, than why the talks? Than gain you did mention 'opinion'.

I'm interested whether anyone in Team Albania can explain the logic of Pristina that the North has no right to self-determination and therefore remaining part of Serbia. Forget Presevo, forget whether the whole of Kosovo is legally part of Serbia or not, what is your rationale for denying the people of this territory the right to self-determination that you claim for yourselves?

This is not intended as a provocation: I'm genuinely interested in the answer as to why, according to a Pristina official last week, secession of the North would cause war to break out.

As far as the official serbian position, i couldn't care less. we kicked them out of their one-time former colony, but sadly not until they butchered thousands, raped god knows how many, terrorized the entire population. but their reign of terror in kosova is OVER.

as for the north, that was allowed by nato to remain under mup control, that is, the mafia, actually multi-ethnic. i personally would never give up one inch of kosova to the enemy, that is, to serbia, to the .

kosova is not a perfect mulit-cultural state - - who is? not serbia, not hardly. the only thing they know how to do effectively with their minorities is either to kill them, or deport them -- that is, the lucky ones.

those left inside the present day serbian borders are pretty miserable, despite all of the propaganda. there needs to be tremendous outside presure exerted in order to obtain minimal human rights in that country, as in the protection of the last lgbt parade, only under the toughest EU pressure. the extradition of a handful of the worst war criminals, only under the toughest outside pressure. the adjudication of a tiny handful of local war criminals, only under the total pressure of Kandic and the intl community.

the situation for minorities inside serbia is pathetic -- they can hardly talk about any other country.

but let me get to my main point -- as long as jovan divjak is being held as political prisoner (in vienna, but due to the "post" milosevic blgd regime) i would absolutely boycott all talks. period.until he is freed and back in safe territory in sarajevo.

i do not say this because of any support kosova has rec'd from the bosnian govt -- that has yet to happen, nevermind the "entity" of so called rs. i say it because of all countries, kosova must know what it is like to be a political prisoner of serbia's. after the war, serbia held on to hundreds of kosovar citizens -- who were commonly tortured and held in the most miserable of conditions. how shall we say it -- serbian style? a style they had become accustomed to with their bosnian and croatian prisoners, think the concentration camps (over 100) think omarska, think serbian prisons throughout serbia and kosovo.

think albin kurti and flora brovina. both of them were tortured in prison, not just psychologically but physically as well. we've interviewed both of them and have extensive documentation. some died during or after the torture, others were smply driven mad. nice,eh?

and jovan divjak is in many ways just another man who, theoretically, could be headed for serbian imprisonment. as a political prisoner. no telling what might be his fate in such circumstances.

so until he is freed, i would say: NO TALKS!

and when talks do begin, the first item on our agenda should be: serbia must open all mass gravesites in their territory. serbia must arrest all war criminals in their territory -- not harbor them.

serbia must (in this case) acknowledge the immense level of guilt in the atrocities, in the genocidal campaign against the kosovar albanians. they must acknowledge, and pay reparations to those families. nothing less is acceptable.

on the other side, kosovar authorities must do everything they can to track down the fates of non-albanians,in their territories. i don't mean all of the fake and ugly accusations of the white which, marty, etc. i mean their actual fates. that is our responsibility.

serbia has gotten away w/ mass murder, big time, and massive cover-ups. i mean then,and i mean now. including the industrialized burning of alb bodies in industrial complexes at trepca,and in serbia itself. this MUST come public, the truth must all come out.

we shall see.

roberto frisco

Serbia is, again unfortunately, playing a dangerous game by minimizing the fact that there will be a negotiations of two independent states. For me, it looks as Serbia does not want any success which would be substantial for ethnic Srbs living in Kosovo. It appears that Serbia continues to be unstable and desintegrative factor for the stability of Balkans.

"So there's not much to negotiate on that. Nobody is willing to propose/accept the obvious, straightforward and logical solution which is a partition: Just as Kosovo Albanians don't want to live in a multiethnic Serbian state, Kosovo Serbs simply don't wish to live in multi-ethnic Kosovo. If Albanians claim that it's their right to be independent from Serbia, how can they refuse the same right to Serbs in Kosovo? It makes no sense to me".


It is possible that for you many things make no sense especially those related to Albanians, however I will try to give an answer for your question.

Kosovo Albanians had been living for 78 years under Serbs in a peaceful multiethnic state dominated by Serbs. Such state did nothing to make them feel as rightful citizens of Serbia by considering them second hand citizens. This has been actually the fate of all kind of minorities in Serbia. The situation culminated in 1998 when Serbia send them all sort of criminals to exterminate people from Kosovo. The result was killing of 12000 thousand of its citizens with no other precedent in history since WWII. That is why the Kosovo Albanians don't want to live again under Serbs because they simply don't trust anymore Serbian state.

Kosovo Serbs nowadays have all kind of possible rights to live and govern even in the higher instances of government. If Serbia does not want that is another story. Thos Serbs in Kosovo have the right to be independent only if:
- Kosovo government behaves like Serbian government did always in respect of basic human rights
- they are attacked by criminal army, paramilitaries, police as Serbs did against their own citizens in 1998 ,1999 considering them as useless property like Nazis considered the Jews in WWII

Mr StefanoviC

If Kosova is not independant than prove it and enter Kosova without permission of EULEX & Kosova's government.

Try to enter as if Kosova was still "a province" of Serbia.

If you can not succeed than there is your answer: KOSOVA = INDEPENDANT!

And that is for sure.

Tung

Leposavic and Zubin Potok (at the end) will join with Serbia, while Kosova will take Presheva valley and together will join with Albania. After this "precedent", Macedonia will be divided in two between Bulgaria and Albania...and that's it.

"Kosovo Serbs nowadays have all kind of possible rights to live and govern even in the higher instances of government. "
(Endri, 7 March 2011 13:58)

That's the theory. And even this only because of the EU/UN dictated the Kosovo constitution to include minority rights. You know, in old YU, everyone has been equal, too - in theory. It only needed a Milosevic to take away the Kosovo autonomy. It will only take some more extremistic leaders in Kosovo to change the constitution, especially once the UNMIK/EULEX will leave, in some 10 years. We all know: This 'multiethnic Kosovo' idea might be nice, but it won't work. It only needed some dirty media campaign spreading lies about "Serbs killed some Albanian children" to incite a mob burning houses and torching churches (2004). All based only on lies and propaganda. Have the responsible editors of these 'newspapers' ever been prosecuted for inciting ethnic hate?

"Milosevic was a criminal, and reelected. Many Serbs, even nowadays, see him as hero and defender of Serbdom. In fact, he brought only misery to the region with his idiotic ethnic policies. Thaci is a criminal, and re-elected. Many Albanians see him as a hero and freedom fighter. In fact, he's only caring for Kosovo as a homebase for doing his 'business' and provide his buddies with good jobs in the state and public companies. Serbia cleaned itself from the Milosevic regime. Kosovo missed this chance to clear itself and elect leaders with clean hands after the last election, only that's why he's still in power".

You and me can not decide who is criminal and who isnt! Bring us here some reliable sources (instead of some propaganda articles and sites)where is clearly proved that Thaci is a criminal as you describe him. Dick Marty tried it but we Albanians are still waiting him to show the facts in order to remove Thaci once and for all. I am afraid that it will be just a fiction story gone with Carla.

The problem you mention with jobs is a well known Balkan syndrome not only present in Kosovo and that has to do more with his background than his "criminal activities". In order to get a job in administration everywhere in Balkans you must have some known, friends, relatives and so one. Sometimes, unfortunately the merits play second role.

As for elections, I don't think that you can blame an entire nation. You should be concerned about Kosovo leaders as we Albanians are about Serbian leaders. Is it important for us!! Not at all, you have your way we have our.

dave,

I'll make it short and sweet. The area which you call "the North" is the byproduct of ethnic cleansing post-'99. Serbia got away with pulling a trick over Bosnian eyes with so called srpska Republik.....we're not going to allow you that pleasure. If the clowns in bg did propose partition Kosovars would gladly give Zubin Poton, Zveqan, etc to Serbia for Presheva Valley & recognition.

Without recognition bg clowns can forget pulling a "win" via a partition.






Thanks,

"Kosovo Serbs nowadays have all kind of possible rights to live and govern even in the higher instances of government."
(Endri, 7 March 2011 13:58)
The problem is: The Kosovo government (old and new) is made up of persons who were former KLA fighters, who allegedly killed Serbs. Just like an Albanaian surely doesn't wont to live under Milosevic, I can understand that Kosovo Serbs have serious problems to live in a state where Thaci is prime minister and the police officers are not professionals, but former 'feedom fighters'.

Top,

would you like us to deport ex-UCK and all their supporters so that we can preserve your precious feelings? Get real, they are the product of their environment. If there wasn't brute Serb aggression there would have never been an UCK, a war, or a country; this is fact.

It's time to move and realize that you have integrate. If not you can "boycott" all you want, i.e. what is it 180 days "WITHOUT" phone lines in Graqanica?




Thanks,

"The problem is: The Kosovo government (old and new) is made up of persons who were former KLA fighters, who allegedly killed Serbs. Just like an Albanaian surely doesn't wont to live under Milosevic, I can understand that Kosovo Serbs have serious problems to live in a state where Thaci is prime minister and the police officers are not professionals, but former 'feedom fighters'."

The post-war government all around the world are made up of ex fighters/leaders which have the right and moral to govern. Kosovo is not an exception.

I can accept the fact that KLA elements committed crimes against the civilians Serbs but I can not accept that KLA was a force with a policy to kill and cleanse Serbs out of Kosovo as the intention of Serbian army in 1999 was.

You compare Thaci with Milosevic!! Milosevic was war criminal while Thaci is not. That is why he is still in power. Thaci included Serbs in his government to decide for their future while Milosevic said to Serbs in Kosovo "do whatever you want, nobody will touch you". You must be very naive to compare the government of Milosevic 12 years ago with that of Thaci nowadays.

Police officers in Kosovo are being trained by EU police and until now no incident took place because of their "poor professionalism". What is the problem with the "freedom fighters"? They are working just as "Serbian army fighters" in Kosovo which are now still serving their army somewhere in Serbia. Kosovo police is continually under supervision from EU police and I don't think that anyone can abuse with its position to revenge.

Why forget Presheva, Dave? What is your rationale, for denying the people of Presheva the right to self-determination that you claim for North of Ibar?
(arti, 7 March 2011 16:23)

You're misreading what I said. I was trying to avoid the "you did this so we'll do that" tit for tat nonsense that seems to characterise all Belgrade-Pristina exchanges and get down to the principle, but I think you've answered my point anyway. What you're saying is that there is a right to self-determination that is absolute, which many would agree with though there are inevitably complications. In that case, why was that Kosovo official last week talking about war if the North went its own way. or was out of step with what people down there believe?

This only means that in time, Kosovo will be under Belgrade's control again.

Serbs everywhere need know to this, and not be distracted by the little things.

"The post-war government all around the world are made up of ex fighters/leaders which have the right and moral to govern. Kosovo is not an exception. "
(Endri, 7 March 2011 16:10)

You are right! That's a usual habit. And especially in Africa, those freedom fighters, after a while, often turn into dictators who do everything to stay in power for years, to enrich themselves. If needed, they manipulate elections, buy votes, ... Any similarities?

"Serbia does not want to change in any way Priština's outlook on the status issue, because it has its own view of the matter - Kosovo is part of Serbia, just as they feel that Kosovo is an independent state," Stefanović noted.

He added that in Serbia's opinion, the status is settled and it is that Kosovo is "unquestionably part of Serbia."




And how come you dont control this ''part of your country'' then?? And why do you want to join an union wich 22 of 27 member states recognize Kosovo as independent??


Com' on this guy is delsuional. He lives in some dream fairytale thinking another country with its own goverment, institution and security forces are part of his country. I am sorry but I think he sounds very foolish with this kind of statments.



Reamamber that to enter EU you have to have good relations with all your neighbours. The goal of the serbian delegation is clear and that is to get EU candidate status by the end of the year. You have do give up on your many ''red lines'' to get to that point.


And to be a real member of the union you will have to recognize your borders and the borders of your neighbours.

Com on, is it even possible for Kosovo to belong to Serbia by now ?? I think its delusional to even think that. It's impossible!!


Serbia indirectly recognizes Kosovo by having a dialoug with Kosovo on an equal level. Good to know tha the dialoug will not touch the already settled status of Kosovo. It means respecting the integrity and sovereignity of the 'other side'.

"You compare Thaci with Milosevic!! Milosevic was war criminal while Thaci is not. That is why he is still in power.
(Endri, 7 March 2011 16:10)

Milosevic was a criminal, and reelected. Many Serbs, even nowadays, see him as hero and defender of Serbdom. In fact, he brought only misery to the region with his idiotic ethnic policies. Thaci is a criminal, and re-elected. Many Albanians see him as a hero and freedom fighter. In fact, he's only caring for Kosovo as a homebase for doing his 'business' and provide his buddies with good jobs in the state and public companies. Serbia cleaned itself from the Milosevic regime. Kosovo missed this chance to clear itself and elect leaders with clean hands after the last election, only that's why he's still in power.

Some differences, some similarities...

Dave - don't bother. Many of us have tried asking the same question and have never received a decent reply. KAs don't want to live under Serbia and want self-determination, but refuse to grant it to Kosovo Serbs. It is the most narrow minded thinking I have ever come across, but this is the result of a political culture that has developed with the belief that threats of violence can get you anything you want. As they see it, there is no need to compromise, let alone engage in some meaningful self-reflection.

This is not intended as a provocation: I'm genuinely interested in the answer as to why, according to a Pristina official last week, secession of the North would cause war to break out.
(Dave, 7 March 2011)

Dave no one from the Serb negotiation team has brought up the offer of partition. Why should the Albanains even entertain the idea of partition when the Serbs don't bring it up but insist that Kosovo is Serbia?

When the Serbs make an offer to partition rest assured the counteroffer will include the swapping for Presheva.
Also bear in mind that partition comes after recognitiion so unless Serbia recognizes Kosova's independence partition isn't even in the cards.

Dave, I understood your question correctly and gave you the answer accordingly. N-Kosova and Presheva Valley are inter-related, because when Tito changed the borders of Kosova, it took away Presheva and gave it to Serbia and took N-Kosova from Serbia and gave it to Kosova. His goal was to delute the ethnic majority in Kosova, and although in surface it might have appeared a fair deal deal (same size of land, same population), in actuality it was not, because Kosova is smaller than Serbia; If you run the percentages you'll see that Kosova was the damaged party.

So, now Serbs want to take both Presheva Valley and N-Kosova. Most Albanians would have no problem of giving N-Kosova to Serbia, provided they return Presheva Valley to Kosova. So the right of Self-determination goes both ways. But, Serbs want to bully they way, to get everything they want, for nothing in return. Presheva Valley constitutes nothing for Serbia, its size is irrelevant to Serbia size and it doesn't have all the minerals that N Kosova has. So the refusal to exchange makes the Serbia's stance even more arrogant.

He added that in Serbia's opinion, the status is settled and it is that Kosovo is "unquestionably part of Serbia."
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It all really comes back to more than autonomy, less than independence with self-rule by KiM Albanians. That is the reality my friends. You can't claim to be independent when you have an international presence such as EULEX, UNMIK and NATO, no control over a large section of territory (the North) and no UN seat just to name a few things.

Status issues will be discussed but cannot be resolved. The current status - more than autonomy, less than independence will have to remain indefinitely.

Now what sort of compromised can we expect? An international telephone code for KiM in exchange for Serbian telecom companies to operate in the territory? Serbia to control the two northern administrative border crossings in exchange for recognising "Kosova" passports? Hong Kong is part of China but has its own passport. Serbian car registration plates to be accepted in exchange for "Kosova" plates in Serbian areas (and other parts of Serbia)? What are K-Albanian prepared to offer for participation in the Olympics (but under the Olympic flag only)?

I think we are talking about a functional partition here (not formal). Serbians control their areas (linked to Serbia) and KiM Albanians having self-rule by controlling their areas. Then we have some co-operation with freedom of travel and transportation of goods, tax, customs, etc...

Dave: "Forget Presevo, forget whether the whole of Kosovo is legally part of Serbia or not, what is your rationale for denying the people of this territory the right to self-determination that you claim for yourselves?"

Why forget Presheva, Dave? What is your rationale, for denying the people of Presheva the right to self-determination that you claim for North of Ibar?



Top: "I can understand that Kosovo Serbs have serious problems to live in a state where Thaci is prime minister and the police officers are not professionals, but former 'feedom fighters'"

Kosova Serbs have no problem to live and to work with Thaci. The deputy prime minister is a Serb, we have 17 Serbs in the parliament, many more in all levels of the government, the local governments in the serb majority areas are lead by local Serbs, and the KP is made of a good mix of Serbs and Albanians, that enforces Kosova's laws both in the north and south of Ibar. Your so-called fear of Serbs to live in Kosova is unfounded, and mostly stems from the propagada of our northern neighbor.

If there wasn't brute Serb aggression there would have never been an UCK, a war, or a country; this is fact. (KOSO)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the KLA set up by Hashim Thaci and other Kosovar Albanians residing in Switzerland in the early 1990s, before any aggression by Serbian authorities against Albanians in Kosovo?

For argument sake let’s say Belgrade recognizes Kosovo as independent. Now that is aside how is Kosovo going to survive financially? Will the Albanians swear that they will NEVER go to Serbia looking for work? If I was persecuted like all these Albos claim I would never set foot in Kosovo and work for my persecutors.
So far I have only been met with deadly silence.

You and me can not decide who is criminal and who isnt! Bring us here some reliable sources (instead of some propaganda articles and sites)where is clearly proved that Thaci is a criminal as you describe him.
(Endri, 7 March 2011 17:26)

Fair enough, except on this basis Milosevic died an innocent man as well. Personally, I reckon they both are/were crooks and I don't need the clueless ICTY to take 10 years to tell me so.

(Agim Kelmendi, 8 March 2011 07:17)

The west is bursting at the seams with migrant workers and with the GFC still having a great affect on their economies, except for Australia, the chances of your mates leaving Kosovo and looking for work is ZERO. The EU wants to return thousands of Albanians back to Kosovo not take more in.
Look at Belgium, they are threatening Serbia with seeking termination of the visa free travel because there are too many “Serbians” seeking asylum who funny enough turn out to be Albanians or Albanian Roma.
I’ll be happy if you just give me a definite “NEVER to work in Serbia or for any Serb”, that’s all. Waiting for your answer.

Mr StefanoviC

If Kosova is not independant than prove it and enter Kosova without permission of EULEX & Kosova's government.

Try to enter as if Kosova was still "a province" of Serbia.

If you can not succeed than there is your answer: KOSOVA = INDEPENDANT!

And that is for sure.

Tung
(FREEDOM, 7 March 2011 14:39)

RE: Proof is in the pudding, not in the powder

"Without permission without Eulex & Kosovo"

He does not have to say anything, you have proved it as Kosovo is heavily reliant on EULEX and as such, remains a protectorate at best.

(Zoran, 7 March 2011 15:18)

I see you have given this a lot of thought and have it settled in your mind as the only option possible. Just remember it is in "YOUR" mind it is settled.
Notice you said Kosovo cannot call themselves independent when they have have international presence UN, Eulex, NATO, but notice the one name missing?
That is the independence, no Serbia.
The only options on the table right now is to perceived as an independent state, as done by 75 countries or as a UN/EU protectorate as seen by the rest of the world.
Lets see 2 scenarios to see how it affects Serbia,
1. Serbia gives up its claims on Kosovo(whether this includes recognition or not) it proceeds smoothly and quickly into the EU.
2. Kosovo accepts your terms, Serbia begins the entrance process all over again from start, as nothing presented to the EU has Kosovo listed, and many many issues would have to be resolved first.
Which do you think the current leadership in your country is more likely to let happen? While they say no EU without Serbia note they have not insisted on including Kosovo in any of their preparatory work!

While I am sure you think it is a very generous and undeserving offer for the Albanian people, nothing has changed you think Serbia should dictate what Kosovo can and cannot have.

I expect a berating of the eu mediator by the MFA representative. Lady trailer park said the us will be called in when the eu says so. And Russia and China will be called in when Serbia says so. This "negotiation" will be between the eu and Serbia, that is why the k-albos have no platform.

(Agim Kelmendi, 8 March 2011 07:17)

The west is bursting at the seams with migrant workers and with the GFC still having a great affect on their economies, except for Australia, the chances of your mates leaving Kosovo and looking for work is ZERO. The EU wants to return thousands of Albanians back to Kosovo not take more in.
Look at Belgium, they are threatening Serbia with seeking termination of the visa free travel because there are too many “Serbians” seeking asylum who funny enough turn out to be Albanians or Albanian Roma.
I’ll be happy if you just give me a definite “NEVER to work in Serbia or for any Serb”, that’s all. Waiting for your answer.

These negotiations will only prove that the current situation is the only solution. Serbs and albanians are like jews and arabs. They simply can't live together. So, prepare for status quo, a partitioned Kosovo is here to stay.

Guys for the umpteenth time random posters on B92 do not represent the views of Belgrade (same for the Albanian side)
No partition is being offered by Belgrade so there's no chance in hell Prishtina will voluntary give up territory.

Also bear in mind that the Albanians made a huge concession by ruling out uniting with Albania. Once partition comes into play Albanians will counteroffer with:
1. Swap Presheva for North of Ibar.
2. Kosova and Albania unite.

You ready to play ball?

For argument sake let’s say Belgrade recognizes Kosovo as independent. Now that is aside how is Kosovo going to survive financially? Will the Albanians swear that they will NEVER go to Serbia looking for work? If I was persecuted like all these Albos claim I would never set foot in Kosovo and work for my persecutors.
So far I have only been met with deadly silence.
(sj, 7 March 2011 22:23)


You don't have enough work for your own Serbs, and you trying to make at sound like K-Albos are coming to Serbia to look for work. People from this part of the world go to western countries for work.

How about Albanian Gypsies or would Moslem Gypsies that live amongst Albanians do???
No matter how you look at it they are your people.
(sj, 8 March 2011)

I guess if you look at it that way then in Kosova we must have Albanians Serbs too right?
As for them being "my people" they sided with the Serbs during the war so NO they most definitely are NOT "my people."

Is there anyone who can tell me what are they going to talk about?
As far as I know these so called talks would not give anything new just more senseless arguments between Belgrade and Prishtina.
Personaly, I would never participated in such talks.
If Belgrade do not want to recognize Kosovo then all I would say is whatever

"This only means that in time, Kosovo will be under Belgrade's control again."
Trudsaam 7 March 2011
Sometime I wonder how anybody can make such a statement like this even though its obvious its self-pleasing.
According to Serbia's own statistics the Serbs are in deep population decline.Over two thousand villages are completely deserted. South Serbia is becoming depopulated fast by low birth rate and migration and making things is economic decline. Last I heard is Chinese are taking over the farms. Serbia should be happy with what they have instead of eying Kosovo.In a near future you when part EU you will see Albanian farmers buying deserted cheap farms in southern Serbia.

Albanian Roma? Really? Did you just make up a new ethnic group?
(Zoti, 8 March 2011 15:19)

How about Albanian Gypsies or would Moslem Gypsies that live amongst Albanians do???
No matter how you look at it they are your people.

K-Albanians would join Albania in a heartbeat if only they could.
First Albania does not want them and second they don't have permission of their masters to do so.

So please don't make statements like this in the future. You know you are not wanted or allowed to do that.
(Peggy, 10 March 2011)

Albania does want unification, it's the political class that has to keep with the EU line that speaks as if they don't want it. The most admired politician in Albania today is Albin Kurti the main proponent of unification.

As for making statements I was under the impression that this is a website that suports freedom of speech. I am also more qualified than you since I am born and raised in Tirana. You Serbs comment on every topic here on how you should re-subjugate the Albanians under your rule and I believe that gives me the right to express my desire to unify my people. There's nothing nobler than that.

As for making statements I was under the impression that this is a website that suports freedom of speech. I am also more qualified than you since I am born and raised in Tirana. You Serbs comment on every topic here on how you should re-subjugate the Albanians under your rule and I believe that gives me the right to express my desire to unify my people. There's nothing nobler than that.
(Zoti, 10 March 2011 16:24)
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Of course you have the right to your opinion. I was only trying to spare you the embarrassment of making silly comments.
I being a Serb is also qualified to speak about what is good for Serbia and her people. Just because you were born in Tirana doesn't qualify you any more. Actually your comments would probably be more appreciated on an Albanian site. This being a Serbian site is not the right vehicle for you to peddle your cause.

Of course you have the right to your opinion. I was only trying to spare you the embarrassment of making silly comments.
I being a Serb is also qualified to speak about what is good for Serbia and her people. Just because you were born in Tirana doesn't qualify you any more. Actually your comments would probably be more appreciated on an Albanian site. This being a Serbian site is not the right vehicle for you to peddle your cause.
(Peggy, 11 March 2011)

I am only commenting on what concerns Albanians in Kosova and Albania. I don't care if this is a Serb, American or Albanian site. That is up the moderators of this forum to determine whether they want to post my comment or not and not you. I have the same rights here as everyone else.

You keep attacking Albanians on a daily basis here we're just doing our part to present the other point of view.

...Albanians or Albanian Roma.
(sj, 8 March 2011)

Albanian Roma? Really? Did you just make up a new ethnic group?

Also bear in mind that the Albanians made a huge concession by ruling out uniting with Albania. Once partition comes into play Albanians will counteroffer with:
1. Swap Presheva for North of Ibar.
2. Kosova and Albania unite.

You ready to play ball?
(Zoti, 8 March 2011 00:04)
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K-Albanians would join Albania in a heartbeat if only they could.
First Albania does not want them and second they don't have permission of their masters to do so.

So please don't make statements like this in the future. You know you are not wanted or allowed to do that.

Oh Roberto, you are so bitter. Why so bitter?
You keep telling us that you are Jewish but clearly you are not. You blood is either Albanian or Bosnian Muslim because nobody not even some Albanians here are as bitter as you.
Your hatred for Serbia or Serbs in general is so obvious so please in future don't insult our intelligence by telling us how impartial you are.

As much as I don't agree with Albanian posters here, I don't have loathing for them because they are only expressing their loyalty and love for their own. That is being honest.

You on the other hand doesn't deserve the same consideration because you lie and try to deceive us as to who you really are. That does not deserve any respect but loathing. You cannot even debate honestly.

All you are here is a joke. Surely you can see that. You are not fooling anyone.

You keep attacking Albanians on a daily basis here we're just doing our part to present the other point of view.
(Zoti, 11 March 2011 16:21)
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Actually you are the ones who are attacking us constantly and not only attacking but mocking as well.
Sure, you have the right to try to post your rubbish here any time you like and the moderators can print or not. Again same as I but what I said was that an Albanian new site would be a better vehicle for you to peddle your c**p than a Serbian one because not many Serbs bother to read your sites so you won't have as much common sense coming back at you.