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Saturday, 26.02.2011.

11:07

“VS not participating in events in Libya”

The Serbian Defense Ministry said in a release that the Serbian Army (VS) and its military retirees were not participating in the events in Libya in any way.

Izvor: Tanjug

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Христос воскрес

pre 13 godina

I knew a kid used to put finger in the eyeball when disappointed or frustrated., you went further and other dimension I see.
(ZMAJ, 1 March 2011 00:06)

I was rather thinking about Russian classics.

Христос воскрес
(Александр Пушкин)

Христос воскрес, моя Реввека!
Сегодня следуя душой
Закону бога-человека,
С тобой целуюсь, ангел мой.

А завтра к вере Моисея
За поцелуй я, не робея,
Готов, еврейка, приступить —
И даже то тебе вручить,
Чем можно верного еврея
От православных отличить.

Do I need to translate it?

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

I don't need special technology, I just put my hand in there, it' called mixing business with pleasure.
(Joe, 28 February 2011 09:48)

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Somehow., you always manage to put your hand "in there" but that's not about business or pleasure I think..

I knew a kid used to put finger in the eyeball when disappointed or frustrated., you went further and other dimension I see.

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Roger

pre 13 godina

Roger is dinaric Serb who is married to catholic hungarian wife (with some jewish roots). Roger is great beliver in mixed marriages and proud of his children Serbian, Hungarian, Montengran and Jewish roots.

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Freudian Buddhist Józsik

pre 13 godina

I don't need special technology, I just put my hand in there, it' called mixing business with pleasure.
(Joe, 28 February 2011 09:48)

I am afraid somehow in your previous life you had some odd experience in the city of Buziluk, Russia... And that follows you in your current life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzuluk

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Dave

pre 13 godina

I don't need special technology, I just put my hand in there, it' called mixing business with pleasure.
(Joe, 28 February 2011 09:48)

Ataman, didn't you say "your" Joe had a wife? Looks like this may indeed be a different one. Joe, it wasn't just Jews, Hitler killed homosexuals too. You can't just pick and choose the bits of his ideology that suit you.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

Move on, it's really boring. But here it's not. We just learned for instance that Roger is a Jew. So Joe has access to both his records and claims the ability to see through Roger's, Dave's and my underpants remotely. I have zero interest what is inside of a man's underpants - but what makes me exited is the technology Joe has to claim what he does.

We want to license that technology, hope Joe won't jack... up the price.
(Ataman, 27 February 2011 20:44)

I don't need special technology, I just put my hand in there, it' called mixing business with pleasure.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Very interesting and sad story - finally from someone closely involved in Libya:

http://hvg.hu/vilag/20110226_segelykialtas_tripolibol_libia

The letter is from a young lady who has a dual citizen Libyan-Hangarian father and who "disappeared" two days ago after being arrested.

The Hungarian consulate tries to find him but it is a very much uphill battle.

Interesting detail, straight to the topic from the witness:

"Bevetette légierõit a civilek ellen, az állam pénzébõl lefizetett afrikai zsoldosokat, hogy gyilkoljanak civileket"

The word is about "afrikai zsoldosok" = "African mercenaries". Does not mean there aren't others, but one is sure: the image is in general about African mercenaries. Others - if any - represent isolated cases.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

Now, onto the topic of most interest today: senior passes. In the Czech Republic, all you have to do is look over the age of retirement and the ticket-sellers insist you pay the reduced price. Arguing that you're not a Czech citizen doesn't help - they won't let you. Not having ID to prove your age doesn't matter, either.
Amer

This is very funny. I had a good lough. It Hungary it would never happen. Hungarians are very envious of the Americans, especially of the Hungarian Americans. Lately they can't even hide their envy anymore. It can be explained with the deteriorating living standard, rising food prices, etc.

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Pocket light + sore throat

pre 13 godina

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ataman

What an insulting hypocrisy. The daily reality is completely different.
(Joe, 27 February 2011 19:58)

You mean this screenshot once already posted earlier?

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4412/picture11pf.png

What's wrong with the pocket light and candy against the sore throat?
Some evil Russians hid the key of the toilet?

I think, turul-bird of Tatabánya growing one more head is regarding Vlora Çitaku becoming Hungarian PM. The "zero" stone being a checkered board is also there, it's a known "issue".

Pay attention to the 3.14 ("pi") number, please and follow the advice.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Now, onto the topic of most interest today: senior passes.
(Amer, 27 February 2011 20:30)

Not "senior passes", more it's about "is national ID required in Hungary to qualify for everything you like or not".

I am very directly involved since I am driving U.S. licensed cars all over Europe.
And who drives them MAYNOT have Hungarian national ID card. :-)

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szemi

pre 13 godina

(Ataman, 27 February 2011 18:07)

If that mental process goes on this way in a very few days even I may be declared as a jew by the aging bestseller writer sitting in his ward island room.Well if this happens I will sue Józsi bá for unpaid royalty fees in connection with usage of Dohány street expression.

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Dave

pre 13 godina

dave, roger7, ataman like a Jewish ant-hill today. Take it easy. Shalom.
(Joe, 27 February 2011 16:58)

Joe, calm down a bit mate, you'll rupture something. David, I'll admit, is a name from the Old Testament, though it's also the most popular name of freeborn Englishmen in the 1970s (thus the Jew Beckham, the Jew Cameron, etc, cough...). Roger is pure Norman French, however, so maybe your zionist conspiracy doesn't actually hold water and the bitter truth is that there really are people in the Anglo-Saxon world who think you're a racist dinosaur. Just a thought.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

dave, roger7, ataman like a Jewish ant-hill today. Take it easy. Shalom.
(Joe, 27 February 2011 16:58)

ROFL

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B92,
Why on earth are you allowing these personal comments unrelated to the subject to take valuable space in the commentary section. Waste of everyone's time.
(BalkanUpdate, 27 February 2011 17:15)

Ferik,

because really there is nothing much to say about that. It's all speculation. There are maybe some out there maybe not. You did not gain any useful information from posts on your blog either.

Some Albanians wrote there "yo momma, Serbs".
One Serb wrote "Long live Serbia + CG, but hey I am Arkan"
The Brit wrote "yo momma Albanians and Serbs"
One Montenegrin wrote "Long live Serbia + CG (luckily, he does not feel like he is Arkan)"
Someone wrote "I kind of disagree with Racak but agree with Srebrenica"
I wrote "move on, spilling the dirt on Serbs does not put you in any good light, rather move on to do other stuff - but Gaddafi is S.O.B."
Helsinki W wrote that Oliver Potezica is also an S.O.B.
(I googled and found nothing only few books written by Oliver P. which does not mean much).

The summary: no one knows anything and the only interesting and juicy piece out there is about Oliver P. but it was without proof.

Move on, it's really boring. But here it's not. We just learned for instance that Roger is a Jew. So Joe has access to both his records and claims the ability to see through Roger's, Dave's and my underpants remotely. I have zero interest what is inside of a man's underpants - but what makes me exited is the technology Joe has to claim what he does.

We want to license that technology, hope Joe won't jack... up the price.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

Thank you, BalkanUpdate!

Qaddafi's Ukrainian nurse has gone home, the Italians have canceled their Treaty of Friendship with Libya (allowing Nato the use of its bases, if necessary) - this story may not last much longer.

Now, onto the topic of most interest today: senior passes. In the Czech Republic, all you have to do is look over the age of retirement and the ticket-sellers insist you pay the reduced price. Arguing that you're not a Czech citizen doesn't help - they won't let you. Not having ID to prove your age doesn't matter, either. (Their was a "scandal" a few years back when some people started complaining in the newspapers about the government ripping off foreigners by making them pay the higher price, and all of a sudden the practice stopped.) Frankly, I think well-off foreigners probably should pay more than the tax-payers who subsidize the museums etc., but by now it's become a matter of pride with the Czechs, and good luck in arguing about it.

Oh, and hats off to the Brits - good job by the SAS.

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Roger7

pre 13 godina

Just to be clear...ther is a person here by the name of Roger.

There is also me, Roger7.

While I happen to agree with some of what Roger has contributed, I am not this person.

and...BTW Joe, I am not Jewish.

and Joe...
"The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its limits."

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007

pre 13 godina

Do you still believe that Santa is coming from the North Pole?
(Joe, 27 February 2011 14:55)

No, but Télapó and Deda Mraz come every christmas: one on 25th of December and one on 7th of January! Mazeltov Joe!

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Wrong. In the nineties when most of us obtained the Hungarian passport we noticed shortly after that

(snip, snip)

Seniors travel free or almost free in Hungary. An American senior with a Hungarian passport has to pay because he does not have the Hungarian senor ID.
Senors of EU countries enjoy the same privilages than Hungarian citizens except those American Hungarians who in practice are traited differently as third degree. The same goes for seniors visiting museums.
(Joe, 27 February 2011 16:11)

Lie #1: it is sufficient to use the passport. One is not obligated to carry the ID if he has a passport. But this is not as important as...

Lie#2: How old are you? If you "discovered" the problem with seniors in 90-s or "shortly after that" - it means you were over 60 already, now probably well over 70.

Hey, still dreaming of a political carrier, working hard for a brokerage company, wanting to write a book and holding meetings in a town in West Hungary to alert the locals about "Jewish Problem"?

In addition having a boss at work (and not working for yourself) at that age who would praise you "good work" once in a while.

I feel, something wrong here, isn't it an maybe you need to explain a few things. If you lie, at least lie consistently.

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Well you try hard gospodin foreigner your usual distortions but I will rebuff them again with facts.
(Joe, 27 February 2011 16:11)

1) I miss these "facts" in your little essay.
2) Of course, everyone is foreigner somewhere. Very few people are foreigners EVERYWHERE. This not a consequence of some citizenship law. It's a by-product of a mental illness called "Henelism".

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

magihisz about it. They will be proud of you.
(Joe, 27 February 2011 16:43)

Of course Joe you are smart*ss - you even make spelling mistakes by intent, just to fool the censors of B92. For instance, many know what "Mazsihisz" is.

www.mazsihisz.hu

The idea to change the spelling a bit from "mazsihisz" to "magihisz" just to fool the censors is not bad.

Sorry, I don't deal with them directly. Obama, Medvedyev, Dalai Lama, Simon Peres and Elvis does the work with them on my behalf.

What else can you add to the original topic?

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BalkanUpdate

pre 13 godina

Straw man's argument. No one said current Serbian soldiers are doing it. Would the Defense care to opine whether former Serb soldiers or just straight up Serbian citizens are fighting on behalf of Gaddafi? That's the real question.

B92,
Why on earth are you allowing these personal comments unrelated to the subject to take valuable space in the commentary section. Waste of everyone's time.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"What you wrote is pure insanity. No one need your personal ID if you have passport. But you are a fake with 99% chance "
ataman

1. "Do not want to speak about the rest of your writing - but what you wrote here is 100% stupidity and 0% truth."
ataman

Well you try hard gospodin foreigner your usual distortions but I will rebuff them again with facts.

1) There is no "third degree citizen".
ataman

Wrong. In the nineties when most of us obtained the Hungarian passport we noticed shortly after that not having any other Hungarian official paper like personal ID, Hungarian senior ID, etc we are traited in Hungary as third degree citizens ....not one degree better than any foreigner (actually citizens of EU countries are treated much, much better).

Few examples:
- Seniors travel free or almost free in Hungary. An American senior with a Hungarian passport has to pay because he does not have the Hungarian senor ID.
Senors of EU countries enjoy the same privilages than Hungarian citizens except those American Hungarians who in practice are traited differently as third degree. The same goes for seniors visiting museums. There too the discrimination of being only a third class citizen kicks in. I would have many other examples. Anyway when I raised the subject of being treated like citizen of third category the aswer was "American Hungarians can afford to pay the full price". Thank God we can afford it but it is about the principle of eguality amoung citizens. If it does not exist you create a category of third class citizens. By the way in the US even foreigners with foreign passports can enjoy the 50% seior fares.


"What you said makes the Hungarian citizenship look pretty bad, in particular for ones in Ukraine or Vojvodina. "
ataman

Actually I hope they will get more "citizenship" than the American Hungarians got with that fake, useless Hungarian passport I just described above. I hope they will be treated better than Hungarian Americans.

"2) Personal ID is not needed. According the law you do not need ID if you have a passport. "
ataman

False again. See my examples above.


"discovery procedure (as it is called) is relatively simple, minimal papers are needed, forms are informal and is cheap. Wonder how come one can't go through it."
Ataman

Minimal papers? Wow! Lately for renawal the birth and marriage certificates of dead parents are also have to be provided. Try to get them if they were born before Trianon outside of the current borders. And getting them for what? To obtain the staus of a citizen of third class described above?
No American Hungarian needs that humiliation a second time.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"This is why my guess is, the B92-Joe and Joe Henel are so far identical that the same person is behind both. The B92-Joe is, however a cynical and bizarre creation, not a real person. "
ataman

Yes, it is the same person. This Joe is all over the world all the time and doing his professional job during the day at the same time. A real superman. And a smart guy like you was needed to find it out. What a man. Tell at magihisz about it. They will be proud of you.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

Info again about the third class citizenship given to Hungarian Americans:

"Do not want to speak about the rest of your writing - but what you wrote here is 100% stupidity and 0% truth."
ataman

Well you try hard gospodin foreigner your usual distortions but I will rebuff them again with facts.

1) There is no "third degree citizen".
ataman

Wrong. In the nineties when most of us obtained the Hungarian passport we noticed shortly after that not having any other Hungarian official paper like personal ID, Hungarian senior ID, etc we are traited in Hungary as third degree citizens ....not one degree better than any foreigner (actually citizens of EU countries are treated much, much better).

Few examples:
- Seniors travel free or almost free in Hungary. An American senior with a Hungarian passport has to pay because he does not have the Hungarian senor ID.
Senors of EU countries enjoy the same privilages than Hungarian citizens except those American Hungarians who in practice are traited differently as third degree. The same goes for seniors visiting museums. There too the discrimination of being only a third class citizen kicks in. I would have many other examples. Anyway when I raised the subject of being treated like citizen of third category the aswer was "American Hungarians can afford to pay the full price". Thank God we can afford it but it is about the principle of eguality amoung citizens. If it does not exist you create a category of third class citizens. By the way in the US even foreigners with foreign passports can enjoy the 50% seior fares.


"What you said makes the Hungarian citizenship look pretty bad, in particular for ones in Ukraine or Vojvodina. "
ataman

Actually I hope they will get more "citizenship" than the American Hungarians got with that fake, useless Hungarian passport I just described above. I hope they will be treated better than Hungarian Americans.

"2) Personal ID is not needed. According the law you do not need ID if you have a passport. "
ataman

False again. See my examples above.


"discovery procedure (as it is called) is relatively simple, minimal papers are needed, forms are informal and is cheap. Wonder how come one can't go through it."
Ataman

Minimal papers? Wow! Lately for renawal the birth and marriage certificates of dead parents are also have to be provided. Try to get them if they were born before Trianon outside of the current borders. And getting them for what? To obtain the staus of a citizen of third class described above?
No American Hungarian needs that humiliation a second time.

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Radojica

pre 13 godina

Did you know that not-Hungarian no-Ukrainian Joe Henel is half-Jew (sorry to Jews?) No kidding. The only good news is, he has a really beautiful wife...
(Zseblámpa és banán (pocket light and banana), 27 February 2011 01:25)

Would love to meet his wife! It would be much nicer to persuade her that world is not like that as Joe thinks. I am sure that poor woman does not get enough love from somebody who hates everyone.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

The character he's created, if indeed he has, comes across as an obnoxious psychiatric patient who's two days overdue on his medication. I don't quite see what the point is.
(Dave, 27 February 2011 14:28)

Yep, it is. The big problem is that how many "Joe" are around from Mukacheve area who belong to Uniate church, who had parents (or grandparents) being taken to GULAG for holding some position in that church?

Not that many, but maybe some.

Now if you add that both "Joe" we know immigrated to the East Coast but before lived in Germany and France - than things can be narrowed down further.

The Soviet and Hungarian records do show a certain "Henel József" being a victim. It is very common that children would have name of the father or grandfather in Hungary. Joe does not hide his full name on utazas-dot-com and guessing his e-mail is not that hard if you look closer. How many more H.J. could be around? Hope, they aren't cloned, that would be a disaster.

This is why my guess is, the B92-Joe and Joe Henel are so far identical that the same person is behind both. The B92-Joe is, however a cynical and bizarre creation, not a real person.

If you look at the style of the B92-Joe you will see a certain "duality". Most of the time it is a character whom you have an urge to break the nose with your fist. But it's impossible to be 100% consistent - once in a while we see a logical comment that "creation" would be unable to write. There we see the "real" Henel peeking out from behind of his monster.

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You can post your comments on stormfront, this is exactly where you belong.
(Roger, 27 February 2011 10:56)

He actually does belong - as Szemi wrote - to the Henelist cult. That cult tries create an omni-presence on the 'Net driven by hedonistic urge. At least two nicks on Youtube, menacing utazas-dot-com, all over caboodle-dot-hu, once in a while on hvg ... It's not a nasty character, just quite annoying. Even more, his views aren't hugely different from the views of most "Serbs" out here. But his creation on B92 is pretty bizarre.

As for "Highduke" - yes, sometimes I do think he is not for real, too. But "Joe" beats everyone. Completely understand the agenda behind it - but can't agree with the spirit of it.

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Dave

pre 13 godina

There are many more things - but we can have a question: is it OK to do that? In other words, "create" a virtual imbecile just to put the people we love to hate in extra bad light. I don't think so - because while it has certain benefits it is also very much destructive, it destructs the barely sustained peace.
(Zseblámpa és banán (pocket light and banana), 27 February 2011 01:25)

I can see how that might work and I am sure that there are one or two on here - I can't believe highduke's not an Albanian, for example - but Joe's approach is too incoherent to discredit any one party/philosophy/whatever. The character he's created, if indeed he has, comes across as an obnoxious psychiatric patient who's two days overdue on his medication. I don't quite see what the point is.

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Jordan

pre 13 godina

Al-Jazeera are reporting that Serbian mercenaries have been flying aircraft used to attack civilians in Tripoli.
(Sebastian, 26 February 2011 12:24)

Al-Jazeera will report anything which makes Serbs looks bad. Did Al-Jazeera report how Motorola sold to Lybians TETRA radio network for the use by police and army?

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Roger

pre 13 godina

Wow! This is a good one. As for those "organ" stories I consiencieusly avoided reading all those invented stories and comments for cheap political purposes. And how can I support things which never happened?
(Joe, 26 February 2011 23:51)

Joe, this just shows your real face. How do you know that this never happened? You can post your comments on stormfront, this is exactly where you belong.

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Zseblámpa és banán (pocket light and banana)

pre 13 godina

My pleasure rests with smoking out Nazi sympathizers like you, apologists to the crimes of your kin, supporters of a state run by terrorist thugs in Kosovo who killed innocent people for organs with your support. In a word for you and your kind....OUT!
(michael, 26 February 2011 22:42)

Michael,

Did you know that not-Hungarian no-Ukrainian Joe Henel is half-Jew (sorry to Jews?) No kidding. The only good news is, he has a really beautiful wife... and two neat little dogs.

He is all over Hungarian forums and being cursed by every Hungarian. Most of the time he enjoys picking the nationalists and Nazi sympathizers but goes to some extreme and his Youtube channels are usually "decorated" by people who hate him. Most of the time these are people we, too, would like to hate. Unfortunately Joe Henel enjoys verbal brawl just for the sake of the argument and where he appears there is rarely peace.

Not everything Joe does should be taken at the face value. He CAN (and WILL) create "fake" characters belonging to certain circles (usually very narrow-minded Hungarian immigrants in America) - just to make these circles look bad.

The "B92-Joe" being the same as Joe Henel was suspected for a while - but I made a mistake to compare the CV of Joe Henel with the CV of "B92-Joe" told us. That was pretty naive because I just did not assume, the later data could be incorrect by purpose.

The overlapping between two CV-s has amazing matches. Sufficient to say: how many "Joe" Hungarians from Mukacheve area had father or grandfather belonging to "Uniate" church, who was prosecuted for being a "Uniate"? Than running away to Germany and France and finally settling on the East Coast?

Because this is what both "B92 Joe" and Joe Henel do say. Both Szemi and myself did think, we can narrow down to one single person pretty safely.

Someone whom I know and who was born in Tbilisi (now you know, Joe that I know because you know that guy!) did "clear" Joe from B92 because of mismatches: the "real" Joe is much younger than the one in B92, has no children "only" a very beautiful wife and two dogs.

He also owns a company south of New York, AFAIK in Virginia or Maryland (don't remember). However, what we did not take in account: the CV for B92 could be skewed on purpose. After all, if one plays a fake - why not skew the CV?

And all this makes really sense and makes things fall together nicely.

1) Original Joe hates the country simplicities, etc. Why not fake one to make them look bad?

2) Presenting an idiot who is really dumb. (Unfortunately there were few tongue slips showing that it's a game only, pay attention!)

3) The "Stormfront" thing - this is the easiest. Only a "sufficiently Jewish" person can write such things what we did see from "Joe" lately. Of course - Joe Henel is a half-Jew. He can (and has the morale right), so it's easy for him.

There are many more things - but we can have a question: is it OK to do that? In other words, "create" a virtual imbecile just to put the people we love to hate in extra bad light. I don't think so - because while it has certain benefits it is also very much destructive, it destructs the barely sustained peace.

And as for original Joe Henel - I do not have much sympathy for him even if he could be "our man". What I said stays: no background, insecurity, being in permanent mental limbo does not help.

It's pretty late now, good night all... I can provide all links to Joe Henel (mostly in Hungarian of course) upon request. Not that tough - he is all over the place. And he is cursed by most... all over the place. :-)

Good old example, with references to B92:

http://utazas.com/utazas/forum/forum.cgi/?action=cikkek&uticel=12&file=1262589179

Some little things with more details :-)

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4412/picture11pf.png

what is interesting - the Joe-confession ("too bad that you did it, we could always have a good debate instead of you being a **hole) is deleted since, originally there was Joe's good-bye there :-)

But as you see from the conversation you always can write to "jhenel@g - something", my guess is, it's gmail. And good luck with that!

PS1: Joe, do you know who is "Mutyuli" or "XMan" or "Coolman" by any chance? I guess, I know. ;-)
PS2: Why "pocket light" and why "banana" in the nick? Joe knows precisely, why.
PS3: The lesson for Joe: it is a good idea to use sufficiently unique nicks. Because things can bite if you tell way to much about yourself here and there.
PS4: The lesson for me: don't apologize in vain, think twice. I regret, I did volunteer to apologize to Joe witohut asking just because K. B. originally from Tbilisi did "clear" him. Now I have to take it back. Joe is Joe, the cynical Henel.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Are your kids not confused by your anti-Hungary stand by enyoing free schooling in Hungary?
(Joe, 26 February 2011 20:01)

But dear Joe... the good schooling is not free here. How you know, maybe the kids are visiting the Mazsihisz school in the morning and Putin-sponsored Russian Orthodox school afternoon, tuition payed by a secret Russian Masonic Jewish sect set up by Medvedyev?

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On top of this this foreigner obtained Hungarian citizenship and enjoy the hospitality of a country that he would like to see dismembered. Make your own jugement.
(Joe, 26 February 2011 15:34)

But dear Joe, that citizenship is as you said totally worthless - why do you care? Your words:

"I never ever requested a form for a renewal much less trying to fill it out. Who needs a worthless passport of third degree citizen absolutely useless without a personal ID ?
(Joe, 26 February 2011 02:25)

You want to hear the judgement? Here it is. You are not Hungarian and never was. You originate from Transcarpathia - an area of mixed population: Serbs, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians, Ruthenians, Poles, Romanian - and with a huge Jewish population before the WW-II. You are like most locals all of them - but unlike the most locals can't deal with your own mixed origin.

As a "Greek Catholic" - this is your background, read it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Greek_Catholic_Church

Our dear Russo-Serbo-Ukraino-Hungaro-Romanian Polish Jew, that's who you are... and none of them because instead of liking it, you hate all of them.

America would seem an ideal place - but the way you deal with your origin trampling with your own feet even Hungarians ("worthless passport" - what is that?) you are no one, just a mentally stateless person without past without future and in addition to that belonging to a semi-recognized church set up by Austrians with clergy who can't even decide: are they Pravoslavs or Catholics?

The "limbo" is your permanent state of existence... beginning with the community, ending with the origin and (lack of) passports.

No amount of "Stormfront-88" rhetoric can fill the void. :-)

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Joe

pre 13 godina

(michael, 26 February 2011 22:42)

Not a world of apology for your crimes in Vojvodina and Kosovo. Well if I remember correctly you sent a lot of hate messages toward K-Albanians from confortable Sweden. You also had some troubelmaker cousins in Kosovo. Correct?

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"innocent people for organs with your support".
michael

Wow! This is a good one. As for those "organ" stories I consiencieusly avoided reading all those invented stories and comments for cheap political purposes. And how can I support things which never happened?

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Joe

pre 13 godina

(Dave, 26 February 2011 20:42)

Blind Jewish solidarity at its best. Being more objective would help. What do you think would be the reaction of even American Jews if they would read some ant-US comments similar to ataman's ant-Hungary comments?

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Mow moderators, can you switch Joe off before this turns into Stormfront?
(Dave, 26 February 2011 20:42)

Dave, I think this is less "Stormfront" than Joe in vain trying to kill several flies.

I hope, the moderators won't switch him off: the more he writes, the stronger the Serbian cause is. Let him write, please! We love Joe, we need Joe's help, he is the best advocate of Serbian cause.

And his best feature (turning into "Stormfront-88" mode anytime at will) is unique, it does magic helping us. :-)

Hajrá, Joe - show us what you can, don't be shy.

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michael

pre 13 godina

Hungarian "don't know" Joe...was that the best you could do? Nice come back, ouch. Right back to the only arguement a 1st grade education can muster, Milosovic.

My pleasure rests with smoking out Nazi sympathizers like you, apologists to the crimes of your kin, supporters of a state run by terrorist thugs in Kosovo who killed innocent people for organs with your support. In a word for you and your kind....OUT!

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The Brit

pre 13 godina

We've provided ENOUGH military expertise, hardware, vehicles and training to Brother Gadaffi over the years
(highduke, 26 February 2011 11:48)

Hahaha, "Brother Gadaffi" - comedy gold! What a mong :-)

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"Why not comment on your hungarian nazi brother who is accused of mass murder in Serbia during ww2 in Novi Sad. 4000 men, women, and children in 2 days. "

Unfortunately you missed my comment, where I also noticed the massacre of 40,000 innocent Hungarians and because of it I got censured.

"The continued expulsion of all hungarian nazis henchmen from serbia continues ....from Vojvodina."
michael

You always show your true colors. For you the remaining 300,000 Hungarians are all nazis. As I see the Milosevian spirit of ethnic cleansing still survived in some people like you.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"understanding of the joke about the zero stone "
Ataman

Try to explain that "joke" to Hungarians.
I don't know how long you would enjoy their hospitality.

"Apologies on behalf of Joe to everyone"

I think it would be high time if you would apologize towards the Hungarians for fishing the end of their country.
Are your kids not confused by your anti-Hungary stand by enyoing free schooling in Hungary?

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Dave

pre 13 godina

Ataman, your patience and humour are admirable and you've allowed us to see him for exactly what he is. These's no way I could have remained so calm. Respect.

Mow moderators, can you switch Joe off before this turns into Stormfront?

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michael

pre 13 godina

Are you not commenting on the wrong article Hungarian Joe?

Why not comment on your hungarian nazi brother who is accused of mass murder in Serbia during ww2 in Novi Sad. 4000 men, women, and children in 2 days. Undoubtedly, we missed your cherrful and inspiring comments fit for a turd.

The continued expulsion of all hungarian nazis henchmen from serbia continues..most notably from Vojvodina...and lets not forget Kosovo. Their time is also numbered.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

On top of this this foreigner obtained Hungarian citizenship and enjoy the hospitality of a country that he would like to see dismembered. Make your own jugement.
(Joe, 26 February 2011 15:34)

Hmmm....

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=72893

Joe about Hungarian passport/citizenship:

"I never ever requested a form for a renewal much less trying to fill it out. Who needs a worthless passport of third degree citizen absolutely useless without a personal ID ?
(Joe, 26 February 2011 02:25)

With the mental capacity you are empowered the understanding of the joke about the zero stone is a difficult task. My bad.

Apologies on behalf of Joe to everyone: if he is for real, he represents the most bigot few immigrants who have nothing to do with Hungary and increasingly nothing to do with America.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

It is no secret that Serbian mercenaries fought and fight through whole Africa. The French sender ARTE broadcasted one only few years ago with the example of the falling apart of Congo. Now, Libya which was one of the closest (if not even the closest) Ally of Yugoslavia with a huge amount by Serbs supposed to have no mercenaries in Ghaddafi's ranks? Who do you want to fool? It is well known that Serbian mercenaries are found everywhere in the Libyan army and if we see what those people did in the Balkans nobody is surprised that they bomb those unarmed demonstrators with heavy guns. The fingerprint of cowards who play heros only when they are sure of not returned fire can be smelled in Tripolis. But this will change, absolutely! You better run...
(JohnC., 26 February 2011 15:29)

Depending on further developments in the coming days and weeks it would be not surpising to see some Serbian mercenaries getting displayed by the Libyan people.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Joe, I think it is just fair if you would explain what the Hungarian word "biboldo" means to the rest of the gang. But given the history of your well-balanced intelligent comments they can probably guess.

Using words others don't understand is pretty cowardly and done in the hope, they can be sneaked in under the radar of the moderator.

Not sure how long you can chew on that bone, there is no meet left on it.

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Extra bonus: Matthew 5:3

pre 13 godina

At least as a Jew you have knowledge of the Trinity. I consider it as a plus.
(Joe, 26 February 2011 15:08)

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
("boldogok a lelki szegények mert övék a mennyek országa")

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highduke

pre 13 godina

Tadic & high-ranking Serbian officials visited Libya just last year, so my comments reflect what our govt secretly thinks anyway.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

Pulling a character like him out of sky is very difficult for Serbs. "
Ataman

Actually the Serbs have already their man on the ground right in Budapest for many years in your person. A man who stated on this site that he would like to see Serbia beginning at the "0" km stone in Budapest. Nobody can bit that. Nobody could find a more zealous supporter of Serbia. On top of this this foreigner obtained Hungarian citizenship and enjoy the hospitality of a country that he would like to see dismembered. Make your own jugement.

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JohnC.

pre 13 godina

It is no secret that Serbian mercenaries fought and fight through whole Africa. The French sender ARTE broadcasted one only few years ago with the example of the falling apart of Congo. Now, Libya which was one of the closest (if not even the closest) Ally of Yugoslavia with a huge amount by Serbs supposed to have no mercenaries in Ghaddafi's ranks? Who do you want to fool? It is well known that Serbian mercenaries are found everywhere in the Libyan army and if we see what those people did in the Balkans nobody is surprised that they bomb those unarmed demonstrators with heavy guns. The fingerprint of cowards who play heros only when they are sure of not returned fire can be smelled in Tripolis. But this will change, absolutely! You better run...

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Come on , fess up. You are getting paid to make stupid comments and make all serbs look bad.
(truthiness, 26 February 2011 13:11)

Highduke is the perfect balance for Roberto, they maybe should get married.

But Albanian side wins hands-down because they also have Joe. Pulling a character like him out of sky is very difficult for Serbs.

Would that "trio" be able "ménage à trois" and have offspring: that would be the death of human race. The single fact that it's impossible is a proof of God's existence.

On the other hand the sheer fact that there are three of them like the Trinity is a blasphemy of the nature. So I am again not sure.

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truthiness

pre 13 godina

We've provided ENOUGH military expertise, hardware, vehicles and training to Brother Gadaffi over the years .......
(highduke, 26 February 2011, 11:48)

Ahhhh....then that explains the current situation your 'brother' is in.

Lets see, over the months I have been on this site you have supported (are the readers ready for this):

Milosevic
Seselj
The Soviet Coup plotter (I still laugh at that little doozy)
North Korea
Gadaffi
Mubarak
Saddam

and yesterday you posted a gem to the whole world about how God is punishing Serbs for supporting communism!?!?

You love them , you hate them - your are a Serb but you have latent dreams of becoming a Russian and yet you wont leave your comfortable life in the west.Do you actually think before you post ?

You have been discredited by not only those who argue against you , but also other Serbs .

Come on , fess up. You are getting paid to make stupid comments and make all serbs look bad.

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Sebastian

pre 13 godina

Al-Jazeera are reporting that Serbian mercenaries have been flying aircraft used to attack civilians in Tripoli.

This makes sense as there are many Yugoslav manufactured aircraft in the Libyan airforce as well as Mig aircraft which Serbian airforce has also used.

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highduke

pre 13 godina

We've provided ENOUGH military expertise, hardware, vehicles and training to Brother Gadaffi over the years not to mention the tens of thousands of Serb civilians who helped educate Lybians & supervised the construction of Lybia's infrastructure.

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truthiness

pre 13 godina

We've provided ENOUGH military expertise, hardware, vehicles and training to Brother Gadaffi over the years .......
(highduke, 26 February 2011, 11:48)

Ahhhh....then that explains the current situation your 'brother' is in.

Lets see, over the months I have been on this site you have supported (are the readers ready for this):

Milosevic
Seselj
The Soviet Coup plotter (I still laugh at that little doozy)
North Korea
Gadaffi
Mubarak
Saddam

and yesterday you posted a gem to the whole world about how God is punishing Serbs for supporting communism!?!?

You love them , you hate them - your are a Serb but you have latent dreams of becoming a Russian and yet you wont leave your comfortable life in the west.Do you actually think before you post ?

You have been discredited by not only those who argue against you , but also other Serbs .

Come on , fess up. You are getting paid to make stupid comments and make all serbs look bad.

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Sebastian

pre 13 godina

Al-Jazeera are reporting that Serbian mercenaries have been flying aircraft used to attack civilians in Tripoli.

This makes sense as there are many Yugoslav manufactured aircraft in the Libyan airforce as well as Mig aircraft which Serbian airforce has also used.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

Pulling a character like him out of sky is very difficult for Serbs. "
Ataman

Actually the Serbs have already their man on the ground right in Budapest for many years in your person. A man who stated on this site that he would like to see Serbia beginning at the "0" km stone in Budapest. Nobody can bit that. Nobody could find a more zealous supporter of Serbia. On top of this this foreigner obtained Hungarian citizenship and enjoy the hospitality of a country that he would like to see dismembered. Make your own jugement.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

It is no secret that Serbian mercenaries fought and fight through whole Africa. The French sender ARTE broadcasted one only few years ago with the example of the falling apart of Congo. Now, Libya which was one of the closest (if not even the closest) Ally of Yugoslavia with a huge amount by Serbs supposed to have no mercenaries in Ghaddafi's ranks? Who do you want to fool? It is well known that Serbian mercenaries are found everywhere in the Libyan army and if we see what those people did in the Balkans nobody is surprised that they bomb those unarmed demonstrators with heavy guns. The fingerprint of cowards who play heros only when they are sure of not returned fire can be smelled in Tripolis. But this will change, absolutely! You better run...
(JohnC., 26 February 2011 15:29)

Depending on further developments in the coming days and weeks it would be not surpising to see some Serbian mercenaries getting displayed by the Libyan people.

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JohnC.

pre 13 godina

It is no secret that Serbian mercenaries fought and fight through whole Africa. The French sender ARTE broadcasted one only few years ago with the example of the falling apart of Congo. Now, Libya which was one of the closest (if not even the closest) Ally of Yugoslavia with a huge amount by Serbs supposed to have no mercenaries in Ghaddafi's ranks? Who do you want to fool? It is well known that Serbian mercenaries are found everywhere in the Libyan army and if we see what those people did in the Balkans nobody is surprised that they bomb those unarmed demonstrators with heavy guns. The fingerprint of cowards who play heros only when they are sure of not returned fire can be smelled in Tripolis. But this will change, absolutely! You better run...

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michael

pre 13 godina

Are you not commenting on the wrong article Hungarian Joe?

Why not comment on your hungarian nazi brother who is accused of mass murder in Serbia during ww2 in Novi Sad. 4000 men, women, and children in 2 days. Undoubtedly, we missed your cherrful and inspiring comments fit for a turd.

The continued expulsion of all hungarian nazis henchmen from serbia continues..most notably from Vojvodina...and lets not forget Kosovo. Their time is also numbered.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Joe, I think it is just fair if you would explain what the Hungarian word "biboldo" means to the rest of the gang. But given the history of your well-balanced intelligent comments they can probably guess.

Using words others don't understand is pretty cowardly and done in the hope, they can be sneaked in under the radar of the moderator.

Not sure how long you can chew on that bone, there is no meet left on it.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"understanding of the joke about the zero stone "
Ataman

Try to explain that "joke" to Hungarians.
I don't know how long you would enjoy their hospitality.

"Apologies on behalf of Joe to everyone"

I think it would be high time if you would apologize towards the Hungarians for fishing the end of their country.
Are your kids not confused by your anti-Hungary stand by enyoing free schooling in Hungary?

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"Why not comment on your hungarian nazi brother who is accused of mass murder in Serbia during ww2 in Novi Sad. 4000 men, women, and children in 2 days. "

Unfortunately you missed my comment, where I also noticed the massacre of 40,000 innocent Hungarians and because of it I got censured.

"The continued expulsion of all hungarian nazis henchmen from serbia continues ....from Vojvodina."
michael

You always show your true colors. For you the remaining 300,000 Hungarians are all nazis. As I see the Milosevian spirit of ethnic cleansing still survived in some people like you.

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highduke

pre 13 godina

We've provided ENOUGH military expertise, hardware, vehicles and training to Brother Gadaffi over the years not to mention the tens of thousands of Serb civilians who helped educate Lybians & supervised the construction of Lybia's infrastructure.

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The Brit

pre 13 godina

We've provided ENOUGH military expertise, hardware, vehicles and training to Brother Gadaffi over the years
(highduke, 26 February 2011 11:48)

Hahaha, "Brother Gadaffi" - comedy gold! What a mong :-)

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Come on , fess up. You are getting paid to make stupid comments and make all serbs look bad.
(truthiness, 26 February 2011 13:11)

Highduke is the perfect balance for Roberto, they maybe should get married.

But Albanian side wins hands-down because they also have Joe. Pulling a character like him out of sky is very difficult for Serbs.

Would that "trio" be able "ménage à trois" and have offspring: that would be the death of human race. The single fact that it's impossible is a proof of God's existence.

On the other hand the sheer fact that there are three of them like the Trinity is a blasphemy of the nature. So I am again not sure.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

On top of this this foreigner obtained Hungarian citizenship and enjoy the hospitality of a country that he would like to see dismembered. Make your own jugement.
(Joe, 26 February 2011 15:34)

Hmmm....

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=72893

Joe about Hungarian passport/citizenship:

"I never ever requested a form for a renewal much less trying to fill it out. Who needs a worthless passport of third degree citizen absolutely useless without a personal ID ?
(Joe, 26 February 2011 02:25)

With the mental capacity you are empowered the understanding of the joke about the zero stone is a difficult task. My bad.

Apologies on behalf of Joe to everyone: if he is for real, he represents the most bigot few immigrants who have nothing to do with Hungary and increasingly nothing to do with America.

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michael

pre 13 godina

Hungarian "don't know" Joe...was that the best you could do? Nice come back, ouch. Right back to the only arguement a 1st grade education can muster, Milosovic.

My pleasure rests with smoking out Nazi sympathizers like you, apologists to the crimes of your kin, supporters of a state run by terrorist thugs in Kosovo who killed innocent people for organs with your support. In a word for you and your kind....OUT!

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Jordan

pre 13 godina

Al-Jazeera are reporting that Serbian mercenaries have been flying aircraft used to attack civilians in Tripoli.
(Sebastian, 26 February 2011 12:24)

Al-Jazeera will report anything which makes Serbs looks bad. Did Al-Jazeera report how Motorola sold to Lybians TETRA radio network for the use by police and army?

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Are your kids not confused by your anti-Hungary stand by enyoing free schooling in Hungary?
(Joe, 26 February 2011 20:01)

But dear Joe... the good schooling is not free here. How you know, maybe the kids are visiting the Mazsihisz school in the morning and Putin-sponsored Russian Orthodox school afternoon, tuition payed by a secret Russian Masonic Jewish sect set up by Medvedyev?

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On top of this this foreigner obtained Hungarian citizenship and enjoy the hospitality of a country that he would like to see dismembered. Make your own jugement.
(Joe, 26 February 2011 15:34)

But dear Joe, that citizenship is as you said totally worthless - why do you care? Your words:

"I never ever requested a form for a renewal much less trying to fill it out. Who needs a worthless passport of third degree citizen absolutely useless without a personal ID ?
(Joe, 26 February 2011 02:25)

You want to hear the judgement? Here it is. You are not Hungarian and never was. You originate from Transcarpathia - an area of mixed population: Serbs, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians, Ruthenians, Poles, Romanian - and with a huge Jewish population before the WW-II. You are like most locals all of them - but unlike the most locals can't deal with your own mixed origin.

As a "Greek Catholic" - this is your background, read it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Greek_Catholic_Church

Our dear Russo-Serbo-Ukraino-Hungaro-Romanian Polish Jew, that's who you are... and none of them because instead of liking it, you hate all of them.

America would seem an ideal place - but the way you deal with your origin trampling with your own feet even Hungarians ("worthless passport" - what is that?) you are no one, just a mentally stateless person without past without future and in addition to that belonging to a semi-recognized church set up by Austrians with clergy who can't even decide: are they Pravoslavs or Catholics?

The "limbo" is your permanent state of existence... beginning with the community, ending with the origin and (lack of) passports.

No amount of "Stormfront-88" rhetoric can fill the void. :-)

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Dave

pre 13 godina

Ataman, your patience and humour are admirable and you've allowed us to see him for exactly what he is. These's no way I could have remained so calm. Respect.

Mow moderators, can you switch Joe off before this turns into Stormfront?

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Joe

pre 13 godina

(Dave, 26 February 2011 20:42)

Blind Jewish solidarity at its best. Being more objective would help. What do you think would be the reaction of even American Jews if they would read some ant-US comments similar to ataman's ant-Hungary comments?

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Roger

pre 13 godina

Wow! This is a good one. As for those "organ" stories I consiencieusly avoided reading all those invented stories and comments for cheap political purposes. And how can I support things which never happened?
(Joe, 26 February 2011 23:51)

Joe, this just shows your real face. How do you know that this never happened? You can post your comments on stormfront, this is exactly where you belong.

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Extra bonus: Matthew 5:3

pre 13 godina

At least as a Jew you have knowledge of the Trinity. I consider it as a plus.
(Joe, 26 February 2011 15:08)

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
("boldogok a lelki szegények mert övék a mennyek országa")

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Radojica

pre 13 godina

Did you know that not-Hungarian no-Ukrainian Joe Henel is half-Jew (sorry to Jews?) No kidding. The only good news is, he has a really beautiful wife...
(Zseblámpa és banán (pocket light and banana), 27 February 2011 01:25)

Would love to meet his wife! It would be much nicer to persuade her that world is not like that as Joe thinks. I am sure that poor woman does not get enough love from somebody who hates everyone.

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BalkanUpdate

pre 13 godina

Straw man's argument. No one said current Serbian soldiers are doing it. Would the Defense care to opine whether former Serb soldiers or just straight up Serbian citizens are fighting on behalf of Gaddafi? That's the real question.

B92,
Why on earth are you allowing these personal comments unrelated to the subject to take valuable space in the commentary section. Waste of everyone's time.

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Roger7

pre 13 godina

Just to be clear...ther is a person here by the name of Roger.

There is also me, Roger7.

While I happen to agree with some of what Roger has contributed, I am not this person.

and...BTW Joe, I am not Jewish.

and Joe...
"The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its limits."

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Joe

pre 13 godina

(michael, 26 February 2011 22:42)

Not a world of apology for your crimes in Vojvodina and Kosovo. Well if I remember correctly you sent a lot of hate messages toward K-Albanians from confortable Sweden. You also had some troubelmaker cousins in Kosovo. Correct?

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Dave

pre 13 godina

There are many more things - but we can have a question: is it OK to do that? In other words, "create" a virtual imbecile just to put the people we love to hate in extra bad light. I don't think so - because while it has certain benefits it is also very much destructive, it destructs the barely sustained peace.
(Zseblámpa és banán (pocket light and banana), 27 February 2011 01:25)

I can see how that might work and I am sure that there are one or two on here - I can't believe highduke's not an Albanian, for example - but Joe's approach is too incoherent to discredit any one party/philosophy/whatever. The character he's created, if indeed he has, comes across as an obnoxious psychiatric patient who's two days overdue on his medication. I don't quite see what the point is.

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Dave

pre 13 godina

I don't need special technology, I just put my hand in there, it' called mixing business with pleasure.
(Joe, 28 February 2011 09:48)

Ataman, didn't you say "your" Joe had a wife? Looks like this may indeed be a different one. Joe, it wasn't just Jews, Hitler killed homosexuals too. You can't just pick and choose the bits of his ideology that suit you.

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highduke

pre 13 godina

Tadic & high-ranking Serbian officials visited Libya just last year, so my comments reflect what our govt secretly thinks anyway.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Mow moderators, can you switch Joe off before this turns into Stormfront?
(Dave, 26 February 2011 20:42)

Dave, I think this is less "Stormfront" than Joe in vain trying to kill several flies.

I hope, the moderators won't switch him off: the more he writes, the stronger the Serbian cause is. Let him write, please! We love Joe, we need Joe's help, he is the best advocate of Serbian cause.

And his best feature (turning into "Stormfront-88" mode anytime at will) is unique, it does magic helping us. :-)

Hajrá, Joe - show us what you can, don't be shy.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"innocent people for organs with your support".
michael

Wow! This is a good one. As for those "organ" stories I consiencieusly avoided reading all those invented stories and comments for cheap political purposes. And how can I support things which never happened?

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"This is why my guess is, the B92-Joe and Joe Henel are so far identical that the same person is behind both. The B92-Joe is, however a cynical and bizarre creation, not a real person. "
ataman

Yes, it is the same person. This Joe is all over the world all the time and doing his professional job during the day at the same time. A real superman. And a smart guy like you was needed to find it out. What a man. Tell at magihisz about it. They will be proud of you.

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Zseblámpa és banán (pocket light and banana)

pre 13 godina

My pleasure rests with smoking out Nazi sympathizers like you, apologists to the crimes of your kin, supporters of a state run by terrorist thugs in Kosovo who killed innocent people for organs with your support. In a word for you and your kind....OUT!
(michael, 26 February 2011 22:42)

Michael,

Did you know that not-Hungarian no-Ukrainian Joe Henel is half-Jew (sorry to Jews?) No kidding. The only good news is, he has a really beautiful wife... and two neat little dogs.

He is all over Hungarian forums and being cursed by every Hungarian. Most of the time he enjoys picking the nationalists and Nazi sympathizers but goes to some extreme and his Youtube channels are usually "decorated" by people who hate him. Most of the time these are people we, too, would like to hate. Unfortunately Joe Henel enjoys verbal brawl just for the sake of the argument and where he appears there is rarely peace.

Not everything Joe does should be taken at the face value. He CAN (and WILL) create "fake" characters belonging to certain circles (usually very narrow-minded Hungarian immigrants in America) - just to make these circles look bad.

The "B92-Joe" being the same as Joe Henel was suspected for a while - but I made a mistake to compare the CV of Joe Henel with the CV of "B92-Joe" told us. That was pretty naive because I just did not assume, the later data could be incorrect by purpose.

The overlapping between two CV-s has amazing matches. Sufficient to say: how many "Joe" Hungarians from Mukacheve area had father or grandfather belonging to "Uniate" church, who was prosecuted for being a "Uniate"? Than running away to Germany and France and finally settling on the East Coast?

Because this is what both "B92 Joe" and Joe Henel do say. Both Szemi and myself did think, we can narrow down to one single person pretty safely.

Someone whom I know and who was born in Tbilisi (now you know, Joe that I know because you know that guy!) did "clear" Joe from B92 because of mismatches: the "real" Joe is much younger than the one in B92, has no children "only" a very beautiful wife and two dogs.

He also owns a company south of New York, AFAIK in Virginia or Maryland (don't remember). However, what we did not take in account: the CV for B92 could be skewed on purpose. After all, if one plays a fake - why not skew the CV?

And all this makes really sense and makes things fall together nicely.

1) Original Joe hates the country simplicities, etc. Why not fake one to make them look bad?

2) Presenting an idiot who is really dumb. (Unfortunately there were few tongue slips showing that it's a game only, pay attention!)

3) The "Stormfront" thing - this is the easiest. Only a "sufficiently Jewish" person can write such things what we did see from "Joe" lately. Of course - Joe Henel is a half-Jew. He can (and has the morale right), so it's easy for him.

There are many more things - but we can have a question: is it OK to do that? In other words, "create" a virtual imbecile just to put the people we love to hate in extra bad light. I don't think so - because while it has certain benefits it is also very much destructive, it destructs the barely sustained peace.

And as for original Joe Henel - I do not have much sympathy for him even if he could be "our man". What I said stays: no background, insecurity, being in permanent mental limbo does not help.

It's pretty late now, good night all... I can provide all links to Joe Henel (mostly in Hungarian of course) upon request. Not that tough - he is all over the place. And he is cursed by most... all over the place. :-)

Good old example, with references to B92:

http://utazas.com/utazas/forum/forum.cgi/?action=cikkek&uticel=12&file=1262589179

Some little things with more details :-)

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4412/picture11pf.png

what is interesting - the Joe-confession ("too bad that you did it, we could always have a good debate instead of you being a **hole) is deleted since, originally there was Joe's good-bye there :-)

But as you see from the conversation you always can write to "jhenel@g - something", my guess is, it's gmail. And good luck with that!

PS1: Joe, do you know who is "Mutyuli" or "XMan" or "Coolman" by any chance? I guess, I know. ;-)
PS2: Why "pocket light" and why "banana" in the nick? Joe knows precisely, why.
PS3: The lesson for Joe: it is a good idea to use sufficiently unique nicks. Because things can bite if you tell way to much about yourself here and there.
PS4: The lesson for me: don't apologize in vain, think twice. I regret, I did volunteer to apologize to Joe witohut asking just because K. B. originally from Tbilisi did "clear" him. Now I have to take it back. Joe is Joe, the cynical Henel.

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007

pre 13 godina

Do you still believe that Santa is coming from the North Pole?
(Joe, 27 February 2011 14:55)

No, but Télapó and Deda Mraz come every christmas: one on 25th of December and one on 7th of January! Mazeltov Joe!

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Joe

pre 13 godina

Now, onto the topic of most interest today: senior passes. In the Czech Republic, all you have to do is look over the age of retirement and the ticket-sellers insist you pay the reduced price. Arguing that you're not a Czech citizen doesn't help - they won't let you. Not having ID to prove your age doesn't matter, either.
Amer

This is very funny. I had a good lough. It Hungary it would never happen. Hungarians are very envious of the Americans, especially of the Hungarian Americans. Lately they can't even hide their envy anymore. It can be explained with the deteriorating living standard, rising food prices, etc.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"What you wrote is pure insanity. No one need your personal ID if you have passport. But you are a fake with 99% chance "
ataman

1. "Do not want to speak about the rest of your writing - but what you wrote here is 100% stupidity and 0% truth."
ataman

Well you try hard gospodin foreigner your usual distortions but I will rebuff them again with facts.

1) There is no "third degree citizen".
ataman

Wrong. In the nineties when most of us obtained the Hungarian passport we noticed shortly after that not having any other Hungarian official paper like personal ID, Hungarian senior ID, etc we are traited in Hungary as third degree citizens ....not one degree better than any foreigner (actually citizens of EU countries are treated much, much better).

Few examples:
- Seniors travel free or almost free in Hungary. An American senior with a Hungarian passport has to pay because he does not have the Hungarian senor ID.
Senors of EU countries enjoy the same privilages than Hungarian citizens except those American Hungarians who in practice are traited differently as third degree. The same goes for seniors visiting museums. There too the discrimination of being only a third class citizen kicks in. I would have many other examples. Anyway when I raised the subject of being treated like citizen of third category the aswer was "American Hungarians can afford to pay the full price". Thank God we can afford it but it is about the principle of eguality amoung citizens. If it does not exist you create a category of third class citizens. By the way in the US even foreigners with foreign passports can enjoy the 50% seior fares.


"What you said makes the Hungarian citizenship look pretty bad, in particular for ones in Ukraine or Vojvodina. "
ataman

Actually I hope they will get more "citizenship" than the American Hungarians got with that fake, useless Hungarian passport I just described above. I hope they will be treated better than Hungarian Americans.

"2) Personal ID is not needed. According the law you do not need ID if you have a passport. "
ataman

False again. See my examples above.


"discovery procedure (as it is called) is relatively simple, minimal papers are needed, forms are informal and is cheap. Wonder how come one can't go through it."
Ataman

Minimal papers? Wow! Lately for renawal the birth and marriage certificates of dead parents are also have to be provided. Try to get them if they were born before Trianon outside of the current borders. And getting them for what? To obtain the staus of a citizen of third class described above?
No American Hungarian needs that humiliation a second time.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Wrong. In the nineties when most of us obtained the Hungarian passport we noticed shortly after that

(snip, snip)

Seniors travel free or almost free in Hungary. An American senior with a Hungarian passport has to pay because he does not have the Hungarian senor ID.
Senors of EU countries enjoy the same privilages than Hungarian citizens except those American Hungarians who in practice are traited differently as third degree. The same goes for seniors visiting museums.
(Joe, 27 February 2011 16:11)

Lie #1: it is sufficient to use the passport. One is not obligated to carry the ID if he has a passport. But this is not as important as...

Lie#2: How old are you? If you "discovered" the problem with seniors in 90-s or "shortly after that" - it means you were over 60 already, now probably well over 70.

Hey, still dreaming of a political carrier, working hard for a brokerage company, wanting to write a book and holding meetings in a town in West Hungary to alert the locals about "Jewish Problem"?

In addition having a boss at work (and not working for yourself) at that age who would praise you "good work" once in a while.

I feel, something wrong here, isn't it an maybe you need to explain a few things. If you lie, at least lie consistently.

---

Well you try hard gospodin foreigner your usual distortions but I will rebuff them again with facts.
(Joe, 27 February 2011 16:11)

1) I miss these "facts" in your little essay.
2) Of course, everyone is foreigner somewhere. Very few people are foreigners EVERYWHERE. This not a consequence of some citizenship law. It's a by-product of a mental illness called "Henelism".

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Dave

pre 13 godina

dave, roger7, ataman like a Jewish ant-hill today. Take it easy. Shalom.
(Joe, 27 February 2011 16:58)

Joe, calm down a bit mate, you'll rupture something. David, I'll admit, is a name from the Old Testament, though it's also the most popular name of freeborn Englishmen in the 1970s (thus the Jew Beckham, the Jew Cameron, etc, cough...). Roger is pure Norman French, however, so maybe your zionist conspiracy doesn't actually hold water and the bitter truth is that there really are people in the Anglo-Saxon world who think you're a racist dinosaur. Just a thought.

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szemi

pre 13 godina

(Ataman, 27 February 2011 18:07)

If that mental process goes on this way in a very few days even I may be declared as a jew by the aging bestseller writer sitting in his ward island room.Well if this happens I will sue Józsi bá for unpaid royalty fees in connection with usage of Dohány street expression.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

The character he's created, if indeed he has, comes across as an obnoxious psychiatric patient who's two days overdue on his medication. I don't quite see what the point is.
(Dave, 27 February 2011 14:28)

Yep, it is. The big problem is that how many "Joe" are around from Mukacheve area who belong to Uniate church, who had parents (or grandparents) being taken to GULAG for holding some position in that church?

Not that many, but maybe some.

Now if you add that both "Joe" we know immigrated to the East Coast but before lived in Germany and France - than things can be narrowed down further.

The Soviet and Hungarian records do show a certain "Henel József" being a victim. It is very common that children would have name of the father or grandfather in Hungary. Joe does not hide his full name on utazas-dot-com and guessing his e-mail is not that hard if you look closer. How many more H.J. could be around? Hope, they aren't cloned, that would be a disaster.

This is why my guess is, the B92-Joe and Joe Henel are so far identical that the same person is behind both. The B92-Joe is, however a cynical and bizarre creation, not a real person.

If you look at the style of the B92-Joe you will see a certain "duality". Most of the time it is a character whom you have an urge to break the nose with your fist. But it's impossible to be 100% consistent - once in a while we see a logical comment that "creation" would be unable to write. There we see the "real" Henel peeking out from behind of his monster.

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You can post your comments on stormfront, this is exactly where you belong.
(Roger, 27 February 2011 10:56)

He actually does belong - as Szemi wrote - to the Henelist cult. That cult tries create an omni-presence on the 'Net driven by hedonistic urge. At least two nicks on Youtube, menacing utazas-dot-com, all over caboodle-dot-hu, once in a while on hvg ... It's not a nasty character, just quite annoying. Even more, his views aren't hugely different from the views of most "Serbs" out here. But his creation on B92 is pretty bizarre.

As for "Highduke" - yes, sometimes I do think he is not for real, too. But "Joe" beats everyone. Completely understand the agenda behind it - but can't agree with the spirit of it.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Very interesting and sad story - finally from someone closely involved in Libya:

http://hvg.hu/vilag/20110226_segelykialtas_tripolibol_libia

The letter is from a young lady who has a dual citizen Libyan-Hangarian father and who "disappeared" two days ago after being arrested.

The Hungarian consulate tries to find him but it is a very much uphill battle.

Interesting detail, straight to the topic from the witness:

"Bevetette légierõit a civilek ellen, az állam pénzébõl lefizetett afrikai zsoldosokat, hogy gyilkoljanak civileket"

The word is about "afrikai zsoldosok" = "African mercenaries". Does not mean there aren't others, but one is sure: the image is in general about African mercenaries. Others - if any - represent isolated cases.

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Freudian Buddhist Józsik

pre 13 godina

I don't need special technology, I just put my hand in there, it' called mixing business with pleasure.
(Joe, 28 February 2011 09:48)

I am afraid somehow in your previous life you had some odd experience in the city of Buziluk, Russia... And that follows you in your current life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzuluk

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

I don't need special technology, I just put my hand in there, it' called mixing business with pleasure.
(Joe, 28 February 2011 09:48)

===================================

Somehow., you always manage to put your hand "in there" but that's not about business or pleasure I think..

I knew a kid used to put finger in the eyeball when disappointed or frustrated., you went further and other dimension I see.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

magihisz about it. They will be proud of you.
(Joe, 27 February 2011 16:43)

Of course Joe you are smart*ss - you even make spelling mistakes by intent, just to fool the censors of B92. For instance, many know what "Mazsihisz" is.

www.mazsihisz.hu

The idea to change the spelling a bit from "mazsihisz" to "magihisz" just to fool the censors is not bad.

Sorry, I don't deal with them directly. Obama, Medvedyev, Dalai Lama, Simon Peres and Elvis does the work with them on my behalf.

What else can you add to the original topic?

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

dave, roger7, ataman like a Jewish ant-hill today. Take it easy. Shalom.
(Joe, 27 February 2011 16:58)

ROFL

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B92,
Why on earth are you allowing these personal comments unrelated to the subject to take valuable space in the commentary section. Waste of everyone's time.
(BalkanUpdate, 27 February 2011 17:15)

Ferik,

because really there is nothing much to say about that. It's all speculation. There are maybe some out there maybe not. You did not gain any useful information from posts on your blog either.

Some Albanians wrote there "yo momma, Serbs".
One Serb wrote "Long live Serbia + CG, but hey I am Arkan"
The Brit wrote "yo momma Albanians and Serbs"
One Montenegrin wrote "Long live Serbia + CG (luckily, he does not feel like he is Arkan)"
Someone wrote "I kind of disagree with Racak but agree with Srebrenica"
I wrote "move on, spilling the dirt on Serbs does not put you in any good light, rather move on to do other stuff - but Gaddafi is S.O.B."
Helsinki W wrote that Oliver Potezica is also an S.O.B.
(I googled and found nothing only few books written by Oliver P. which does not mean much).

The summary: no one knows anything and the only interesting and juicy piece out there is about Oliver P. but it was without proof.

Move on, it's really boring. But here it's not. We just learned for instance that Roger is a Jew. So Joe has access to both his records and claims the ability to see through Roger's, Dave's and my underpants remotely. I have zero interest what is inside of a man's underpants - but what makes me exited is the technology Joe has to claim what he does.

We want to license that technology, hope Joe won't jack... up the price.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Now, onto the topic of most interest today: senior passes.
(Amer, 27 February 2011 20:30)

Not "senior passes", more it's about "is national ID required in Hungary to qualify for everything you like or not".

I am very directly involved since I am driving U.S. licensed cars all over Europe.
And who drives them MAYNOT have Hungarian national ID card. :-)

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Roger

pre 13 godina

Roger is dinaric Serb who is married to catholic hungarian wife (with some jewish roots). Roger is great beliver in mixed marriages and proud of his children Serbian, Hungarian, Montengran and Jewish roots.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

Info again about the third class citizenship given to Hungarian Americans:

"Do not want to speak about the rest of your writing - but what you wrote here is 100% stupidity and 0% truth."
ataman

Well you try hard gospodin foreigner your usual distortions but I will rebuff them again with facts.

1) There is no "third degree citizen".
ataman

Wrong. In the nineties when most of us obtained the Hungarian passport we noticed shortly after that not having any other Hungarian official paper like personal ID, Hungarian senior ID, etc we are traited in Hungary as third degree citizens ....not one degree better than any foreigner (actually citizens of EU countries are treated much, much better).

Few examples:
- Seniors travel free or almost free in Hungary. An American senior with a Hungarian passport has to pay because he does not have the Hungarian senor ID.
Senors of EU countries enjoy the same privilages than Hungarian citizens except those American Hungarians who in practice are traited differently as third degree. The same goes for seniors visiting museums. There too the discrimination of being only a third class citizen kicks in. I would have many other examples. Anyway when I raised the subject of being treated like citizen of third category the aswer was "American Hungarians can afford to pay the full price". Thank God we can afford it but it is about the principle of eguality amoung citizens. If it does not exist you create a category of third class citizens. By the way in the US even foreigners with foreign passports can enjoy the 50% seior fares.


"What you said makes the Hungarian citizenship look pretty bad, in particular for ones in Ukraine or Vojvodina. "
ataman

Actually I hope they will get more "citizenship" than the American Hungarians got with that fake, useless Hungarian passport I just described above. I hope they will be treated better than Hungarian Americans.

"2) Personal ID is not needed. According the law you do not need ID if you have a passport. "
ataman

False again. See my examples above.


"discovery procedure (as it is called) is relatively simple, minimal papers are needed, forms are informal and is cheap. Wonder how come one can't go through it."
Ataman

Minimal papers? Wow! Lately for renawal the birth and marriage certificates of dead parents are also have to be provided. Try to get them if they were born before Trianon outside of the current borders. And getting them for what? To obtain the staus of a citizen of third class described above?
No American Hungarian needs that humiliation a second time.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

Thank you, BalkanUpdate!

Qaddafi's Ukrainian nurse has gone home, the Italians have canceled their Treaty of Friendship with Libya (allowing Nato the use of its bases, if necessary) - this story may not last much longer.

Now, onto the topic of most interest today: senior passes. In the Czech Republic, all you have to do is look over the age of retirement and the ticket-sellers insist you pay the reduced price. Arguing that you're not a Czech citizen doesn't help - they won't let you. Not having ID to prove your age doesn't matter, either. (Their was a "scandal" a few years back when some people started complaining in the newspapers about the government ripping off foreigners by making them pay the higher price, and all of a sudden the practice stopped.) Frankly, I think well-off foreigners probably should pay more than the tax-payers who subsidize the museums etc., but by now it's become a matter of pride with the Czechs, and good luck in arguing about it.

Oh, and hats off to the Brits - good job by the SAS.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

Move on, it's really boring. But here it's not. We just learned for instance that Roger is a Jew. So Joe has access to both his records and claims the ability to see through Roger's, Dave's and my underpants remotely. I have zero interest what is inside of a man's underpants - but what makes me exited is the technology Joe has to claim what he does.

We want to license that technology, hope Joe won't jack... up the price.
(Ataman, 27 February 2011 20:44)

I don't need special technology, I just put my hand in there, it' called mixing business with pleasure.

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Христос воскрес

pre 13 godina

I knew a kid used to put finger in the eyeball when disappointed or frustrated., you went further and other dimension I see.
(ZMAJ, 1 March 2011 00:06)

I was rather thinking about Russian classics.

Христос воскрес
(Александр Пушкин)

Христос воскрес, моя Реввека!
Сегодня следуя душой
Закону бога-человека,
С тобой целуюсь, ангел мой.

А завтра к вере Моисея
За поцелуй я, не робея,
Готов, еврейка, приступить —
И даже то тебе вручить,
Чем можно верного еврея
От православных отличить.

Do I need to translate it?

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Pocket light + sore throat

pre 13 godina

[link]
ataman

What an insulting hypocrisy. The daily reality is completely different.
(Joe, 27 February 2011 19:58)

You mean this screenshot once already posted earlier?

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4412/picture11pf.png

What's wrong with the pocket light and candy against the sore throat?
Some evil Russians hid the key of the toilet?

I think, turul-bird of Tatabánya growing one more head is regarding Vlora Çitaku becoming Hungarian PM. The "zero" stone being a checkered board is also there, it's a known "issue".

Pay attention to the 3.14 ("pi") number, please and follow the advice.

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highduke

pre 13 godina

We've provided ENOUGH military expertise, hardware, vehicles and training to Brother Gadaffi over the years not to mention the tens of thousands of Serb civilians who helped educate Lybians & supervised the construction of Lybia's infrastructure.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Come on , fess up. You are getting paid to make stupid comments and make all serbs look bad.
(truthiness, 26 February 2011 13:11)

Highduke is the perfect balance for Roberto, they maybe should get married.

But Albanian side wins hands-down because they also have Joe. Pulling a character like him out of sky is very difficult for Serbs.

Would that "trio" be able "ménage à trois" and have offspring: that would be the death of human race. The single fact that it's impossible is a proof of God's existence.

On the other hand the sheer fact that there are three of them like the Trinity is a blasphemy of the nature. So I am again not sure.

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michael

pre 13 godina

Are you not commenting on the wrong article Hungarian Joe?

Why not comment on your hungarian nazi brother who is accused of mass murder in Serbia during ww2 in Novi Sad. 4000 men, women, and children in 2 days. Undoubtedly, we missed your cherrful and inspiring comments fit for a turd.

The continued expulsion of all hungarian nazis henchmen from serbia continues..most notably from Vojvodina...and lets not forget Kosovo. Their time is also numbered.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

On top of this this foreigner obtained Hungarian citizenship and enjoy the hospitality of a country that he would like to see dismembered. Make your own jugement.
(Joe, 26 February 2011 15:34)

Hmmm....

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=72893

Joe about Hungarian passport/citizenship:

"I never ever requested a form for a renewal much less trying to fill it out. Who needs a worthless passport of third degree citizen absolutely useless without a personal ID ?
(Joe, 26 February 2011 02:25)

With the mental capacity you are empowered the understanding of the joke about the zero stone is a difficult task. My bad.

Apologies on behalf of Joe to everyone: if he is for real, he represents the most bigot few immigrants who have nothing to do with Hungary and increasingly nothing to do with America.

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Dave

pre 13 godina

Ataman, your patience and humour are admirable and you've allowed us to see him for exactly what he is. These's no way I could have remained so calm. Respect.

Mow moderators, can you switch Joe off before this turns into Stormfront?

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Joe, I think it is just fair if you would explain what the Hungarian word "biboldo" means to the rest of the gang. But given the history of your well-balanced intelligent comments they can probably guess.

Using words others don't understand is pretty cowardly and done in the hope, they can be sneaked in under the radar of the moderator.

Not sure how long you can chew on that bone, there is no meet left on it.

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highduke

pre 13 godina

Tadic & high-ranking Serbian officials visited Libya just last year, so my comments reflect what our govt secretly thinks anyway.

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JohnC.

pre 13 godina

It is no secret that Serbian mercenaries fought and fight through whole Africa. The French sender ARTE broadcasted one only few years ago with the example of the falling apart of Congo. Now, Libya which was one of the closest (if not even the closest) Ally of Yugoslavia with a huge amount by Serbs supposed to have no mercenaries in Ghaddafi's ranks? Who do you want to fool? It is well known that Serbian mercenaries are found everywhere in the Libyan army and if we see what those people did in the Balkans nobody is surprised that they bomb those unarmed demonstrators with heavy guns. The fingerprint of cowards who play heros only when they are sure of not returned fire can be smelled in Tripolis. But this will change, absolutely! You better run...

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michael

pre 13 godina

Hungarian "don't know" Joe...was that the best you could do? Nice come back, ouch. Right back to the only arguement a 1st grade education can muster, Milosovic.

My pleasure rests with smoking out Nazi sympathizers like you, apologists to the crimes of your kin, supporters of a state run by terrorist thugs in Kosovo who killed innocent people for organs with your support. In a word for you and your kind....OUT!

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Joe

pre 13 godina

It is no secret that Serbian mercenaries fought and fight through whole Africa. The French sender ARTE broadcasted one only few years ago with the example of the falling apart of Congo. Now, Libya which was one of the closest (if not even the closest) Ally of Yugoslavia with a huge amount by Serbs supposed to have no mercenaries in Ghaddafi's ranks? Who do you want to fool? It is well known that Serbian mercenaries are found everywhere in the Libyan army and if we see what those people did in the Balkans nobody is surprised that they bomb those unarmed demonstrators with heavy guns. The fingerprint of cowards who play heros only when they are sure of not returned fire can be smelled in Tripolis. But this will change, absolutely! You better run...
(JohnC., 26 February 2011 15:29)

Depending on further developments in the coming days and weeks it would be not surpising to see some Serbian mercenaries getting displayed by the Libyan people.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"understanding of the joke about the zero stone "
Ataman

Try to explain that "joke" to Hungarians.
I don't know how long you would enjoy their hospitality.

"Apologies on behalf of Joe to everyone"

I think it would be high time if you would apologize towards the Hungarians for fishing the end of their country.
Are your kids not confused by your anti-Hungary stand by enyoing free schooling in Hungary?

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"Why not comment on your hungarian nazi brother who is accused of mass murder in Serbia during ww2 in Novi Sad. 4000 men, women, and children in 2 days. "

Unfortunately you missed my comment, where I also noticed the massacre of 40,000 innocent Hungarians and because of it I got censured.

"The continued expulsion of all hungarian nazis henchmen from serbia continues ....from Vojvodina."
michael

You always show your true colors. For you the remaining 300,000 Hungarians are all nazis. As I see the Milosevian spirit of ethnic cleansing still survived in some people like you.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

(Dave, 26 February 2011 20:42)

Blind Jewish solidarity at its best. Being more objective would help. What do you think would be the reaction of even American Jews if they would read some ant-US comments similar to ataman's ant-Hungary comments?

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Joe

pre 13 godina

Pulling a character like him out of sky is very difficult for Serbs. "
Ataman

Actually the Serbs have already their man on the ground right in Budapest for many years in your person. A man who stated on this site that he would like to see Serbia beginning at the "0" km stone in Budapest. Nobody can bit that. Nobody could find a more zealous supporter of Serbia. On top of this this foreigner obtained Hungarian citizenship and enjoy the hospitality of a country that he would like to see dismembered. Make your own jugement.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

(michael, 26 February 2011 22:42)

Not a world of apology for your crimes in Vojvodina and Kosovo. Well if I remember correctly you sent a lot of hate messages toward K-Albanians from confortable Sweden. You also had some troubelmaker cousins in Kosovo. Correct?

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truthiness

pre 13 godina

We've provided ENOUGH military expertise, hardware, vehicles and training to Brother Gadaffi over the years .......
(highduke, 26 February 2011, 11:48)

Ahhhh....then that explains the current situation your 'brother' is in.

Lets see, over the months I have been on this site you have supported (are the readers ready for this):

Milosevic
Seselj
The Soviet Coup plotter (I still laugh at that little doozy)
North Korea
Gadaffi
Mubarak
Saddam

and yesterday you posted a gem to the whole world about how God is punishing Serbs for supporting communism!?!?

You love them , you hate them - your are a Serb but you have latent dreams of becoming a Russian and yet you wont leave your comfortable life in the west.Do you actually think before you post ?

You have been discredited by not only those who argue against you , but also other Serbs .

Come on , fess up. You are getting paid to make stupid comments and make all serbs look bad.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"innocent people for organs with your support".
michael

Wow! This is a good one. As for those "organ" stories I consiencieusly avoided reading all those invented stories and comments for cheap political purposes. And how can I support things which never happened?

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

The character he's created, if indeed he has, comes across as an obnoxious psychiatric patient who's two days overdue on his medication. I don't quite see what the point is.
(Dave, 27 February 2011 14:28)

Yep, it is. The big problem is that how many "Joe" are around from Mukacheve area who belong to Uniate church, who had parents (or grandparents) being taken to GULAG for holding some position in that church?

Not that many, but maybe some.

Now if you add that both "Joe" we know immigrated to the East Coast but before lived in Germany and France - than things can be narrowed down further.

The Soviet and Hungarian records do show a certain "Henel József" being a victim. It is very common that children would have name of the father or grandfather in Hungary. Joe does not hide his full name on utazas-dot-com and guessing his e-mail is not that hard if you look closer. How many more H.J. could be around? Hope, they aren't cloned, that would be a disaster.

This is why my guess is, the B92-Joe and Joe Henel are so far identical that the same person is behind both. The B92-Joe is, however a cynical and bizarre creation, not a real person.

If you look at the style of the B92-Joe you will see a certain "duality". Most of the time it is a character whom you have an urge to break the nose with your fist. But it's impossible to be 100% consistent - once in a while we see a logical comment that "creation" would be unable to write. There we see the "real" Henel peeking out from behind of his monster.

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You can post your comments on stormfront, this is exactly where you belong.
(Roger, 27 February 2011 10:56)

He actually does belong - as Szemi wrote - to the Henelist cult. That cult tries create an omni-presence on the 'Net driven by hedonistic urge. At least two nicks on Youtube, menacing utazas-dot-com, all over caboodle-dot-hu, once in a while on hvg ... It's not a nasty character, just quite annoying. Even more, his views aren't hugely different from the views of most "Serbs" out here. But his creation on B92 is pretty bizarre.

As for "Highduke" - yes, sometimes I do think he is not for real, too. But "Joe" beats everyone. Completely understand the agenda behind it - but can't agree with the spirit of it.

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Sebastian

pre 13 godina

Al-Jazeera are reporting that Serbian mercenaries have been flying aircraft used to attack civilians in Tripoli.

This makes sense as there are many Yugoslav manufactured aircraft in the Libyan airforce as well as Mig aircraft which Serbian airforce has also used.

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Jordan

pre 13 godina

Al-Jazeera are reporting that Serbian mercenaries have been flying aircraft used to attack civilians in Tripoli.
(Sebastian, 26 February 2011 12:24)

Al-Jazeera will report anything which makes Serbs looks bad. Did Al-Jazeera report how Motorola sold to Lybians TETRA radio network for the use by police and army?

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The Brit

pre 13 godina

We've provided ENOUGH military expertise, hardware, vehicles and training to Brother Gadaffi over the years
(highduke, 26 February 2011 11:48)

Hahaha, "Brother Gadaffi" - comedy gold! What a mong :-)

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Wrong. In the nineties when most of us obtained the Hungarian passport we noticed shortly after that

(snip, snip)

Seniors travel free or almost free in Hungary. An American senior with a Hungarian passport has to pay because he does not have the Hungarian senor ID.
Senors of EU countries enjoy the same privilages than Hungarian citizens except those American Hungarians who in practice are traited differently as third degree. The same goes for seniors visiting museums.
(Joe, 27 February 2011 16:11)

Lie #1: it is sufficient to use the passport. One is not obligated to carry the ID if he has a passport. But this is not as important as...

Lie#2: How old are you? If you "discovered" the problem with seniors in 90-s or "shortly after that" - it means you were over 60 already, now probably well over 70.

Hey, still dreaming of a political carrier, working hard for a brokerage company, wanting to write a book and holding meetings in a town in West Hungary to alert the locals about "Jewish Problem"?

In addition having a boss at work (and not working for yourself) at that age who would praise you "good work" once in a while.

I feel, something wrong here, isn't it an maybe you need to explain a few things. If you lie, at least lie consistently.

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Well you try hard gospodin foreigner your usual distortions but I will rebuff them again with facts.
(Joe, 27 February 2011 16:11)

1) I miss these "facts" in your little essay.
2) Of course, everyone is foreigner somewhere. Very few people are foreigners EVERYWHERE. This not a consequence of some citizenship law. It's a by-product of a mental illness called "Henelism".

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Mow moderators, can you switch Joe off before this turns into Stormfront?
(Dave, 26 February 2011 20:42)

Dave, I think this is less "Stormfront" than Joe in vain trying to kill several flies.

I hope, the moderators won't switch him off: the more he writes, the stronger the Serbian cause is. Let him write, please! We love Joe, we need Joe's help, he is the best advocate of Serbian cause.

And his best feature (turning into "Stormfront-88" mode anytime at will) is unique, it does magic helping us. :-)

Hajrá, Joe - show us what you can, don't be shy.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Are your kids not confused by your anti-Hungary stand by enyoing free schooling in Hungary?
(Joe, 26 February 2011 20:01)

But dear Joe... the good schooling is not free here. How you know, maybe the kids are visiting the Mazsihisz school in the morning and Putin-sponsored Russian Orthodox school afternoon, tuition payed by a secret Russian Masonic Jewish sect set up by Medvedyev?

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On top of this this foreigner obtained Hungarian citizenship and enjoy the hospitality of a country that he would like to see dismembered. Make your own jugement.
(Joe, 26 February 2011 15:34)

But dear Joe, that citizenship is as you said totally worthless - why do you care? Your words:

"I never ever requested a form for a renewal much less trying to fill it out. Who needs a worthless passport of third degree citizen absolutely useless without a personal ID ?
(Joe, 26 February 2011 02:25)

You want to hear the judgement? Here it is. You are not Hungarian and never was. You originate from Transcarpathia - an area of mixed population: Serbs, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians, Ruthenians, Poles, Romanian - and with a huge Jewish population before the WW-II. You are like most locals all of them - but unlike the most locals can't deal with your own mixed origin.

As a "Greek Catholic" - this is your background, read it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Greek_Catholic_Church

Our dear Russo-Serbo-Ukraino-Hungaro-Romanian Polish Jew, that's who you are... and none of them because instead of liking it, you hate all of them.

America would seem an ideal place - but the way you deal with your origin trampling with your own feet even Hungarians ("worthless passport" - what is that?) you are no one, just a mentally stateless person without past without future and in addition to that belonging to a semi-recognized church set up by Austrians with clergy who can't even decide: are they Pravoslavs or Catholics?

The "limbo" is your permanent state of existence... beginning with the community, ending with the origin and (lack of) passports.

No amount of "Stormfront-88" rhetoric can fill the void. :-)

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Dave

pre 13 godina

There are many more things - but we can have a question: is it OK to do that? In other words, "create" a virtual imbecile just to put the people we love to hate in extra bad light. I don't think so - because while it has certain benefits it is also very much destructive, it destructs the barely sustained peace.
(Zseblámpa és banán (pocket light and banana), 27 February 2011 01:25)

I can see how that might work and I am sure that there are one or two on here - I can't believe highduke's not an Albanian, for example - but Joe's approach is too incoherent to discredit any one party/philosophy/whatever. The character he's created, if indeed he has, comes across as an obnoxious psychiatric patient who's two days overdue on his medication. I don't quite see what the point is.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

magihisz about it. They will be proud of you.
(Joe, 27 February 2011 16:43)

Of course Joe you are smart*ss - you even make spelling mistakes by intent, just to fool the censors of B92. For instance, many know what "Mazsihisz" is.

www.mazsihisz.hu

The idea to change the spelling a bit from "mazsihisz" to "magihisz" just to fool the censors is not bad.

Sorry, I don't deal with them directly. Obama, Medvedyev, Dalai Lama, Simon Peres and Elvis does the work with them on my behalf.

What else can you add to the original topic?

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Roger

pre 13 godina

Wow! This is a good one. As for those "organ" stories I consiencieusly avoided reading all those invented stories and comments for cheap political purposes. And how can I support things which never happened?
(Joe, 26 February 2011 23:51)

Joe, this just shows your real face. How do you know that this never happened? You can post your comments on stormfront, this is exactly where you belong.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

Move on, it's really boring. But here it's not. We just learned for instance that Roger is a Jew. So Joe has access to both his records and claims the ability to see through Roger's, Dave's and my underpants remotely. I have zero interest what is inside of a man's underpants - but what makes me exited is the technology Joe has to claim what he does.

We want to license that technology, hope Joe won't jack... up the price.
(Ataman, 27 February 2011 20:44)

I don't need special technology, I just put my hand in there, it' called mixing business with pleasure.

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Radojica

pre 13 godina

Did you know that not-Hungarian no-Ukrainian Joe Henel is half-Jew (sorry to Jews?) No kidding. The only good news is, he has a really beautiful wife...
(Zseblámpa és banán (pocket light and banana), 27 February 2011 01:25)

Would love to meet his wife! It would be much nicer to persuade her that world is not like that as Joe thinks. I am sure that poor woman does not get enough love from somebody who hates everyone.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"This is why my guess is, the B92-Joe and Joe Henel are so far identical that the same person is behind both. The B92-Joe is, however a cynical and bizarre creation, not a real person. "
ataman

Yes, it is the same person. This Joe is all over the world all the time and doing his professional job during the day at the same time. A real superman. And a smart guy like you was needed to find it out. What a man. Tell at magihisz about it. They will be proud of you.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

"What you wrote is pure insanity. No one need your personal ID if you have passport. But you are a fake with 99% chance "
ataman

1. "Do not want to speak about the rest of your writing - but what you wrote here is 100% stupidity and 0% truth."
ataman

Well you try hard gospodin foreigner your usual distortions but I will rebuff them again with facts.

1) There is no "third degree citizen".
ataman

Wrong. In the nineties when most of us obtained the Hungarian passport we noticed shortly after that not having any other Hungarian official paper like personal ID, Hungarian senior ID, etc we are traited in Hungary as third degree citizens ....not one degree better than any foreigner (actually citizens of EU countries are treated much, much better).

Few examples:
- Seniors travel free or almost free in Hungary. An American senior with a Hungarian passport has to pay because he does not have the Hungarian senor ID.
Senors of EU countries enjoy the same privilages than Hungarian citizens except those American Hungarians who in practice are traited differently as third degree. The same goes for seniors visiting museums. There too the discrimination of being only a third class citizen kicks in. I would have many other examples. Anyway when I raised the subject of being treated like citizen of third category the aswer was "American Hungarians can afford to pay the full price". Thank God we can afford it but it is about the principle of eguality amoung citizens. If it does not exist you create a category of third class citizens. By the way in the US even foreigners with foreign passports can enjoy the 50% seior fares.


"What you said makes the Hungarian citizenship look pretty bad, in particular for ones in Ukraine or Vojvodina. "
ataman

Actually I hope they will get more "citizenship" than the American Hungarians got with that fake, useless Hungarian passport I just described above. I hope they will be treated better than Hungarian Americans.

"2) Personal ID is not needed. According the law you do not need ID if you have a passport. "
ataman

False again. See my examples above.


"discovery procedure (as it is called) is relatively simple, minimal papers are needed, forms are informal and is cheap. Wonder how come one can't go through it."
Ataman

Minimal papers? Wow! Lately for renawal the birth and marriage certificates of dead parents are also have to be provided. Try to get them if they were born before Trianon outside of the current borders. And getting them for what? To obtain the staus of a citizen of third class described above?
No American Hungarian needs that humiliation a second time.

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Amer

pre 13 godina

Thank you, BalkanUpdate!

Qaddafi's Ukrainian nurse has gone home, the Italians have canceled their Treaty of Friendship with Libya (allowing Nato the use of its bases, if necessary) - this story may not last much longer.

Now, onto the topic of most interest today: senior passes. In the Czech Republic, all you have to do is look over the age of retirement and the ticket-sellers insist you pay the reduced price. Arguing that you're not a Czech citizen doesn't help - they won't let you. Not having ID to prove your age doesn't matter, either. (Their was a "scandal" a few years back when some people started complaining in the newspapers about the government ripping off foreigners by making them pay the higher price, and all of a sudden the practice stopped.) Frankly, I think well-off foreigners probably should pay more than the tax-payers who subsidize the museums etc., but by now it's become a matter of pride with the Czechs, and good luck in arguing about it.

Oh, and hats off to the Brits - good job by the SAS.

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Joe

pre 13 godina

Info again about the third class citizenship given to Hungarian Americans:

"Do not want to speak about the rest of your writing - but what you wrote here is 100% stupidity and 0% truth."
ataman

Well you try hard gospodin foreigner your usual distortions but I will rebuff them again with facts.

1) There is no "third degree citizen".
ataman

Wrong. In the nineties when most of us obtained the Hungarian passport we noticed shortly after that not having any other Hungarian official paper like personal ID, Hungarian senior ID, etc we are traited in Hungary as third degree citizens ....not one degree better than any foreigner (actually citizens of EU countries are treated much, much better).

Few examples:
- Seniors travel free or almost free in Hungary. An American senior with a Hungarian passport has to pay because he does not have the Hungarian senor ID.
Senors of EU countries enjoy the same privilages than Hungarian citizens except those American Hungarians who in practice are traited differently as third degree. The same goes for seniors visiting museums. There too the discrimination of being only a third class citizen kicks in. I would have many other examples. Anyway when I raised the subject of being treated like citizen of third category the aswer was "American Hungarians can afford to pay the full price". Thank God we can afford it but it is about the principle of eguality amoung citizens. If it does not exist you create a category of third class citizens. By the way in the US even foreigners with foreign passports can enjoy the 50% seior fares.


"What you said makes the Hungarian citizenship look pretty bad, in particular for ones in Ukraine or Vojvodina. "
ataman

Actually I hope they will get more "citizenship" than the American Hungarians got with that fake, useless Hungarian passport I just described above. I hope they will be treated better than Hungarian Americans.

"2) Personal ID is not needed. According the law you do not need ID if you have a passport. "
ataman

False again. See my examples above.


"discovery procedure (as it is called) is relatively simple, minimal papers are needed, forms are informal and is cheap. Wonder how come one can't go through it."
Ataman

Minimal papers? Wow! Lately for renawal the birth and marriage certificates of dead parents are also have to be provided. Try to get them if they were born before Trianon outside of the current borders. And getting them for what? To obtain the staus of a citizen of third class described above?
No American Hungarian needs that humiliation a second time.

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Zseblámpa és banán (pocket light and banana)

pre 13 godina

My pleasure rests with smoking out Nazi sympathizers like you, apologists to the crimes of your kin, supporters of a state run by terrorist thugs in Kosovo who killed innocent people for organs with your support. In a word for you and your kind....OUT!
(michael, 26 February 2011 22:42)

Michael,

Did you know that not-Hungarian no-Ukrainian Joe Henel is half-Jew (sorry to Jews?) No kidding. The only good news is, he has a really beautiful wife... and two neat little dogs.

He is all over Hungarian forums and being cursed by every Hungarian. Most of the time he enjoys picking the nationalists and Nazi sympathizers but goes to some extreme and his Youtube channels are usually "decorated" by people who hate him. Most of the time these are people we, too, would like to hate. Unfortunately Joe Henel enjoys verbal brawl just for the sake of the argument and where he appears there is rarely peace.

Not everything Joe does should be taken at the face value. He CAN (and WILL) create "fake" characters belonging to certain circles (usually very narrow-minded Hungarian immigrants in America) - just to make these circles look bad.

The "B92-Joe" being the same as Joe Henel was suspected for a while - but I made a mistake to compare the CV of Joe Henel with the CV of "B92-Joe" told us. That was pretty naive because I just did not assume, the later data could be incorrect by purpose.

The overlapping between two CV-s has amazing matches. Sufficient to say: how many "Joe" Hungarians from Mukacheve area had father or grandfather belonging to "Uniate" church, who was prosecuted for being a "Uniate"? Than running away to Germany and France and finally settling on the East Coast?

Because this is what both "B92 Joe" and Joe Henel do say. Both Szemi and myself did think, we can narrow down to one single person pretty safely.

Someone whom I know and who was born in Tbilisi (now you know, Joe that I know because you know that guy!) did "clear" Joe from B92 because of mismatches: the "real" Joe is much younger than the one in B92, has no children "only" a very beautiful wife and two dogs.

He also owns a company south of New York, AFAIK in Virginia or Maryland (don't remember). However, what we did not take in account: the CV for B92 could be skewed on purpose. After all, if one plays a fake - why not skew the CV?

And all this makes really sense and makes things fall together nicely.

1) Original Joe hates the country simplicities, etc. Why not fake one to make them look bad?

2) Presenting an idiot who is really dumb. (Unfortunately there were few tongue slips showing that it's a game only, pay attention!)

3) The "Stormfront" thing - this is the easiest. Only a "sufficiently Jewish" person can write such things what we did see from "Joe" lately. Of course - Joe Henel is a half-Jew. He can (and has the morale right), so it's easy for him.

There are many more things - but we can have a question: is it OK to do that? In other words, "create" a virtual imbecile just to put the people we love to hate in extra bad light. I don't think so - because while it has certain benefits it is also very much destructive, it destructs the barely sustained peace.

And as for original Joe Henel - I do not have much sympathy for him even if he could be "our man". What I said stays: no background, insecurity, being in permanent mental limbo does not help.

It's pretty late now, good night all... I can provide all links to Joe Henel (mostly in Hungarian of course) upon request. Not that tough - he is all over the place. And he is cursed by most... all over the place. :-)

Good old example, with references to B92:

http://utazas.com/utazas/forum/forum.cgi/?action=cikkek&uticel=12&file=1262589179

Some little things with more details :-)

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4412/picture11pf.png

what is interesting - the Joe-confession ("too bad that you did it, we could always have a good debate instead of you being a **hole) is deleted since, originally there was Joe's good-bye there :-)

But as you see from the conversation you always can write to "jhenel@g - something", my guess is, it's gmail. And good luck with that!

PS1: Joe, do you know who is "Mutyuli" or "XMan" or "Coolman" by any chance? I guess, I know. ;-)
PS2: Why "pocket light" and why "banana" in the nick? Joe knows precisely, why.
PS3: The lesson for Joe: it is a good idea to use sufficiently unique nicks. Because things can bite if you tell way to much about yourself here and there.
PS4: The lesson for me: don't apologize in vain, think twice. I regret, I did volunteer to apologize to Joe witohut asking just because K. B. originally from Tbilisi did "clear" him. Now I have to take it back. Joe is Joe, the cynical Henel.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Very interesting and sad story - finally from someone closely involved in Libya:

http://hvg.hu/vilag/20110226_segelykialtas_tripolibol_libia

The letter is from a young lady who has a dual citizen Libyan-Hangarian father and who "disappeared" two days ago after being arrested.

The Hungarian consulate tries to find him but it is a very much uphill battle.

Interesting detail, straight to the topic from the witness:

"Bevetette légierõit a civilek ellen, az állam pénzébõl lefizetett afrikai zsoldosokat, hogy gyilkoljanak civileket"

The word is about "afrikai zsoldosok" = "African mercenaries". Does not mean there aren't others, but one is sure: the image is in general about African mercenaries. Others - if any - represent isolated cases.

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Extra bonus: Matthew 5:3

pre 13 godina

At least as a Jew you have knowledge of the Trinity. I consider it as a plus.
(Joe, 26 February 2011 15:08)

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
("boldogok a lelki szegények mert övék a mennyek országa")

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BalkanUpdate

pre 13 godina

Straw man's argument. No one said current Serbian soldiers are doing it. Would the Defense care to opine whether former Serb soldiers or just straight up Serbian citizens are fighting on behalf of Gaddafi? That's the real question.

B92,
Why on earth are you allowing these personal comments unrelated to the subject to take valuable space in the commentary section. Waste of everyone's time.

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007

pre 13 godina

Do you still believe that Santa is coming from the North Pole?
(Joe, 27 February 2011 14:55)

No, but Télapó and Deda Mraz come every christmas: one on 25th of December and one on 7th of January! Mazeltov Joe!

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Joe

pre 13 godina

Now, onto the topic of most interest today: senior passes. In the Czech Republic, all you have to do is look over the age of retirement and the ticket-sellers insist you pay the reduced price. Arguing that you're not a Czech citizen doesn't help - they won't let you. Not having ID to prove your age doesn't matter, either.
Amer

This is very funny. I had a good lough. It Hungary it would never happen. Hungarians are very envious of the Americans, especially of the Hungarian Americans. Lately they can't even hide their envy anymore. It can be explained with the deteriorating living standard, rising food prices, etc.

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Freudian Buddhist Józsik

pre 13 godina

I don't need special technology, I just put my hand in there, it' called mixing business with pleasure.
(Joe, 28 February 2011 09:48)

I am afraid somehow in your previous life you had some odd experience in the city of Buziluk, Russia... And that follows you in your current life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzuluk

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Roger7

pre 13 godina

Just to be clear...ther is a person here by the name of Roger.

There is also me, Roger7.

While I happen to agree with some of what Roger has contributed, I am not this person.

and...BTW Joe, I am not Jewish.

and Joe...
"The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its limits."

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Dave

pre 13 godina

dave, roger7, ataman like a Jewish ant-hill today. Take it easy. Shalom.
(Joe, 27 February 2011 16:58)

Joe, calm down a bit mate, you'll rupture something. David, I'll admit, is a name from the Old Testament, though it's also the most popular name of freeborn Englishmen in the 1970s (thus the Jew Beckham, the Jew Cameron, etc, cough...). Roger is pure Norman French, however, so maybe your zionist conspiracy doesn't actually hold water and the bitter truth is that there really are people in the Anglo-Saxon world who think you're a racist dinosaur. Just a thought.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

dave, roger7, ataman like a Jewish ant-hill today. Take it easy. Shalom.
(Joe, 27 February 2011 16:58)

ROFL

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B92,
Why on earth are you allowing these personal comments unrelated to the subject to take valuable space in the commentary section. Waste of everyone's time.
(BalkanUpdate, 27 February 2011 17:15)

Ferik,

because really there is nothing much to say about that. It's all speculation. There are maybe some out there maybe not. You did not gain any useful information from posts on your blog either.

Some Albanians wrote there "yo momma, Serbs".
One Serb wrote "Long live Serbia + CG, but hey I am Arkan"
The Brit wrote "yo momma Albanians and Serbs"
One Montenegrin wrote "Long live Serbia + CG (luckily, he does not feel like he is Arkan)"
Someone wrote "I kind of disagree with Racak but agree with Srebrenica"
I wrote "move on, spilling the dirt on Serbs does not put you in any good light, rather move on to do other stuff - but Gaddafi is S.O.B."
Helsinki W wrote that Oliver Potezica is also an S.O.B.
(I googled and found nothing only few books written by Oliver P. which does not mean much).

The summary: no one knows anything and the only interesting and juicy piece out there is about Oliver P. but it was without proof.

Move on, it's really boring. But here it's not. We just learned for instance that Roger is a Jew. So Joe has access to both his records and claims the ability to see through Roger's, Dave's and my underpants remotely. I have zero interest what is inside of a man's underpants - but what makes me exited is the technology Joe has to claim what he does.

We want to license that technology, hope Joe won't jack... up the price.

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szemi

pre 13 godina

(Ataman, 27 February 2011 18:07)

If that mental process goes on this way in a very few days even I may be declared as a jew by the aging bestseller writer sitting in his ward island room.Well if this happens I will sue Józsi bá for unpaid royalty fees in connection with usage of Dohány street expression.

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Now, onto the topic of most interest today: senior passes.
(Amer, 27 February 2011 20:30)

Not "senior passes", more it's about "is national ID required in Hungary to qualify for everything you like or not".

I am very directly involved since I am driving U.S. licensed cars all over Europe.
And who drives them MAYNOT have Hungarian national ID card. :-)

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Pocket light + sore throat

pre 13 godina

[link]
ataman

What an insulting hypocrisy. The daily reality is completely different.
(Joe, 27 February 2011 19:58)

You mean this screenshot once already posted earlier?

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4412/picture11pf.png

What's wrong with the pocket light and candy against the sore throat?
Some evil Russians hid the key of the toilet?

I think, turul-bird of Tatabánya growing one more head is regarding Vlora Çitaku becoming Hungarian PM. The "zero" stone being a checkered board is also there, it's a known "issue".

Pay attention to the 3.14 ("pi") number, please and follow the advice.

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Dave

pre 13 godina

I don't need special technology, I just put my hand in there, it' called mixing business with pleasure.
(Joe, 28 February 2011 09:48)

Ataman, didn't you say "your" Joe had a wife? Looks like this may indeed be a different one. Joe, it wasn't just Jews, Hitler killed homosexuals too. You can't just pick and choose the bits of his ideology that suit you.

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Roger

pre 13 godina

Roger is dinaric Serb who is married to catholic hungarian wife (with some jewish roots). Roger is great beliver in mixed marriages and proud of his children Serbian, Hungarian, Montengran and Jewish roots.

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ZMAJ

pre 13 godina

I don't need special technology, I just put my hand in there, it' called mixing business with pleasure.
(Joe, 28 February 2011 09:48)

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Somehow., you always manage to put your hand "in there" but that's not about business or pleasure I think..

I knew a kid used to put finger in the eyeball when disappointed or frustrated., you went further and other dimension I see.

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Христос воскрес

pre 13 godina

I knew a kid used to put finger in the eyeball when disappointed or frustrated., you went further and other dimension I see.
(ZMAJ, 1 March 2011 00:06)

I was rather thinking about Russian classics.

Христос воскрес
(Александр Пушкин)

Христос воскрес, моя Реввека!
Сегодня следуя душой
Закону бога-человека,
С тобой целуюсь, ангел мой.

А завтра к вере Моисея
За поцелуй я, не робея,
Готов, еврейка, приступить —
И даже то тебе вручить,
Чем можно верного еврея
От православных отличить.

Do I need to translate it?

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