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Thursday, 24.02.2011.

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Kosovo is "mafia state", says Italian MEP

An Italian member of the European Parliament Foreign Policy Committee has commented on the Kosovo organ trafficking case.

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Godfather

pre 13 godina

Bonanno, Colombo,Luchese,Genovese,Gambino,Richiutto,Badallamenti,Riina,"Sacra Corona Unita"
Ndranghetta,"Cosa Nostra", "Camorra","Gomorra" Corleone....every 5 years army goes in south to help police to fight organised crime.This is not happening in Kosova.Wander , if this "specialist" knows about this......

Toto Riina

pre 13 godina

it is clear ,also everyone knows about ties between Italy's leaders with organized crime,such as "N'drangheta", "sacra Corona Unita", "Camorra" etc.It is clear also that Mafia ,as an organised crime ,was born about 70 in south of Italy.It is also clear to everyone that 5 biggest New York families , such as Luchese,Bonnano,Gotti,Ricciuto(with ties in Montreal)are Italian by origin.Everybody knows,or has heard about Al Capone,Gaetano Badallamenti,Toto Riina,Vito Rizzutto , John Gotti,etc,etc.Do you remember Giovanni Falcone? Do you know what is happening at Napoli???? Corleone is in Italy, it is not in Kosova!Do you guys want more about Italy? Do you know the ties between Andreotti and Mafia???
In Kosova might have organized crime,as in all the rest of the world,but you can't compare it with Italy.Thank you!

lili

pre 13 godina

So we are,
and then?
Do you really believe that if we were not "terrorist" "maffia state" " criminal" (add all you serbs want to portray us..)you will change your attitude toward us? Of course not,
so why should we care for what you think of us?
the only true thing that is unforgivable for you is that we are ALBANIAN!And you tried for centuries to make us forget this !
And for centuries you failed!
So at the end ,try to be intelligent and stop your vain antialbanian propaganda:you already used this scenario and you did not succed!

Ataman

pre 13 godina

Jez idiotsky et al... they are not attacking the substance of what you (or I) write they just go in personal insults. 

(ben, 26 February 2011 14:38)

Ben, that was a perfect denouncing of personal insults. As personal insult - you just insulted yourself. Enough to read what you wrote.

Nothing to attack regards the substance what Robert wrote since there isn't any, besides usual horrible grammar, ethnic slander and funny spelling mistakes.

The poor choice of the gateway airport in Balkans is a new thing. You do not know my long, pretty friendly and very one-sided private monologue with Roberto. To describe it:

me: "Roberto, why not join a famous travel site, there are many kind of people there, no poisoned atmosphere like in (guess where) and you can learn a lot of new things. The people are pretty friendly there and it's well-moderated"

Roberto: "Here is my picture with some ladies. They are nice, muslim ladies".

me: "Roberto, what you think about the new worrisome trend in Hungary?"

Roberto: "These Serbian and Russian nationalists are really #!$&&!!!"

me: "Roberto, did you join the travel forum we talked about?"

Roberto: (silence)

Later see the usual thing on B92 from him

me: "Roberto, did you join the travel forum we talked about?"

Roberto: (in few weeks):

"Sorry for silence, I got a dozen or so viruses"

(me: heck, the viruses did not prevent to post an other idiotic comment on B92, but did prevent to join the forum where he can't lecture others...)

And so on.

At one point I just gave up. That guy is impossible to communicate with in any meaningful way. At one point I offered him even my car to go around, BTW.

As for not joining the travel-related forum? Well, he just punished himself with few hundred Dollars, see the wrong gateway.

That's the Roberto-story... Either you go his bizarre way or no way. He is here to teach what he wants one-sidedely and you just can't break his skull. Has really nothing to do with Albanian cause or Bosnian cause he seem to defend or sexual orientation. It's the personality.

I judge it as an extreme form of "teacher syndrome", well-married with "Stockholm syndrome".

ben

pre 13 godina

(roberto, 25 February 2011 07:19)

you are doing much better roberto.

Just see the ridiculous comments on what you wrote.

Jez idiotsky et al... they are not attacking the substance of what you (or I) write they just go in personal insults.

After all what can they say without any single fact???

As a matter a fact it is pretty easy to deal with the Serbian camp here.

There are 2 rules:

1. ignore their insults (they are world champions in that - you can never beat them in that)

2. expose them to the facts

of course then they will turn again to the point 1 as they don't have arguments, facts (they communicate with slogans and insults)

and you ignore that (point 1) and go again to point 2 :)

to be honest sometimes when i have more time i really enjoy it

Gjon Shpata

pre 13 godina

I don't claim to know details about Kosovar politicians, but I can say that corruption and organized crime is a big problem in the whole Balkans region, and all of Eastern Europe.

All I can say is that the currently tense political situation favors mafia. The military-mafia structures are still in power and they will be as long as the people need their protection and their strong leadership. Serbia needs to free itself and recognize Kosovo's independence. Until then, we will only have hard-line leaders in the Balkans, because our bigger fear of war makes us tolerate the "smaller" corruption problems of our leaders. We could keep pulling each other down, or we could let prosperity begin in the region. The choice is ours. Gezuar, zhiveli, cheers!

Pjeshka Pjeshka

pre 13 godina

Mr. Pino Arlacchi is a well-know antiamerican voice in Italian arena. He was just waiting his chance to curse the hateful yankees project. It's a pity how Italian left tries to gain points at the expense of the poor people of Kosovo.
Dick Marty report is a shame, it is meant to make this politician a celebrity.

Sure many terrible crimes have happened to Serb civilians in Kosovo after war. How many? 1000 crimes? Ok! Perpetrators of those crimes must be punished but such punishment should be light given the fact what Serbs had done to 2.000.000 Albanians in Kosovo!

However, does anyone dare to bring to justice the soviet soldiers who raped German women after fall or Reich?

I am Albanian from Albania and unfortunately I dont have much respect for Kosovo Albanias due to their arrogant ignorance.

However, I am terrified to see that many Serbs are not doing the necessary catharsis and their politicians are not encouraging them to do so but just the opposite.

When Serbs with do the catharsis then it would be time for Albanians to punish crimes against civilians after Serb forces left Kosovo, all of them.

Objector

pre 13 godina

Don Makkaroni: "Kosovo is "mafia state"". Thank you, Kosova Police is aware and they are working on it. Just as in every other country in the world, if you have more informations, please provide them to police.
(Ilyrian from Vushtrri, 25 February 2011 11:11)

Ever called and Italian to his face a 'makkaroni' then or do you just make racist slurs behind the anonymity of the internet like a real little coward?

Another one who cannot face the consequences of his own words in the real world. Pathetic.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Ok Zoran first you are becoming realistic and accepting Kosovo as a State good.

Kosovo is sure not perfect but give it time...
(Bilbao, 25 February 2011 18:13)
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Of course "Kosova" is a state in the imagination of KiM Albanians with their heads buried in the sand. It's there for all to see.

No, "Kosova" is not perfect and we've been waiting 12 years for improvement but even with international assistance and billions of dollars thrown at it, nothing has changed. It is still a mafia state.

Je¿ atamañski

pre 13 godina

BTW, am off to the balkans next month, starting right off at pristina's airport. very excited and lots of plans...

Felamendarit and chvala mnoga.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 25 February 2011 07:19)

As usual, nothing learned.

1) FALEMINDERIT
2) HVALA
3) Starting from Pristina airport? Glad, you are that rich. A few times was told, what is the best and what is the second-best way to reach Pristina from San Francisco - it's not the Pristina airport.

Lack of the ability to learn is expensive. There goes $500 (at least). But it is not the biggest loss.

Out of curiosity: there is an other thread, with "rotten Jew" spelled out by our resident Hungaronazi Joe. This is a second within a month, the one on February 7 was priceless. But now Joe "succeed" to smuggle "rohardszki-bibsi " on B92.

Here it is - to everyone's enjoyment:

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=72893

Original thread from February 7 (Roberto mystically missing!)

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=72574

But I think, the more recent is pretty cool, "rohardszki-bibsi " is priceless, with bad Hungarian grammar.

Wee Kelpie

pre 13 godina

Does being an American mean never having to say thank you (properly)?
(The Brit, 25 February 2011 10:57)

I've asked before, I'll ask again, who is 'The Brit'?

Methinks we could be on the same wavelength :-))

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Felamendarit and chvala mnoga.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 25 February 2011 07:19)

but what's the second one? Hebrew? Chagos Islander? Mongoloid? Does being an American mean never having to say thank you (properly)?
(The Brit, 25 February 2011 10:57)
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Hmm, my guess is it's pig latin for "Chihuahua my dog"?

Bilbao

pre 13 godina

The big difference is that most states are cracking down on the mafia, crime, corruption and fraud.

In "Kosova" it is flourishing, promoted, allowed and accepted. The internationals turn a blind eye to it.

As someone mentioned, in most parts of the world citizens are happy that mafia structures are being removed in their respective states, however, KiM Albanians continue to have their heads buried in the sand and remain in constant denial. Nothing new and completely predictable.
(Zoran, 25 February 2011 13:11)

Ok Zoran first you are becoming realistic and accepting Kosovo as a State good.

Kosovo is sure not perfect but give it time, Kosovo issue is that people can not go on the street since they want to wait for all the negotiations about North to end with Serbia.

Then same as in Serbia politicians have no place to divert mass attention and they will be removed.

No more pointing fingers at each other in balkans.

KU

pre 13 godina

"I thought k-albs would be delighted to hear this person speak up against the mafia in Kosovo. Any ordinary citizen would welcome european attention to solve this heavy problem for all kosovans. After all, italians are sick of their mafia. But apparently the bloggers here don't welcome that. why?"
(fd, 25 February 2011 10:10)

Oh yeah, I was very very interested. I was reading and judging by his shiny CV this man has experience in fighting the Mafia in his own place of birth and around the world. I did not like the words "mafia" and "state" but let it pass, thought it was a deliberate mistake from the article editor. So, I was reading very interested until I got to the last paragraph, where he goes off in a totally different direction, not talking about Mafia anymore but about "EU and the US wanted a war to break out", "they are disgraceful". And here he lost me. Everything else he said before lost credibility. He went in that long category of people that are ideologically or politically motivated against the just US and EU intervention in Kosovo. According to him, it is a disgrace that the EU and US intervened in Kosovo. Case closed, he did not catch my attention, he does not seem sincere.

That does not mean Albanians are not sick of their mafia. Just sick of this kind of people with other goals. All their expertise and knowledge is useless when it comes wrapped in other stuff. And it is a pity because it could really help.

Dragan

pre 13 godina

Kosovo a 'mafia state'? I consider this a huge insult the mafia and to
Tony Soprano. The Italian mafia never did sick things like extract organs for money, only inhuman monsters like Mengele or Thaci could dream up such attrocities.

Top

pre 13 godina

"Don Makkaroni: "Kosovo is "mafia state"". Thank you, Kosova Police is aware and they are working on it. "
(Ilyrian from Vushtrri, 25 February 2011 11:11)

Correct! And that's the problem. In Kosovo, the Police is working ON it, not AGAINST it, like in normal countries...

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Kosovo is "mafia state" - says Pino Arlacchi.
How about Italy Mr Arlacchi???
(gjon cima, 25 February 2011 09:16)
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The big difference is that most states are cracking down on the mafia, crime, corruption and fraud.

In "Kosova" it is flourishing, promoted, allowed and accepted. The internationals turn a blind eye to it.

As someone mentioned, in most parts of the world citizens are happy that mafia structures are being removed in their respective states, however, KiM Albanians continue to have their heads buried in the sand and remain in constant denial. Nothing new and completely predictable.

Ilyrian from Vushtrri

pre 13 godina

Don Makkaroni: "Kosovo is "mafia state"". Thank you, Kosova Police is aware and they are working on it. Just as in every other country in the world, if you have more informations, please provide them to police.

lili

pre 13 godina

the question seems to be 3who has not been in kosovo-or albania_ and had access to nato files,eulex files, unmik files!!!
From 1997 until 2002 he was the Executive Director of the UN Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention (ODCCP).
Indeed he has done a great job:nothing to stop all this maffia? how does he explains that he did not spoke yesterday?Why did not he pass his information to unmik prosecutors then,when probes were more easy to control but only years after?

fd

pre 13 godina

I thought k-albs would be delighted to hear this person speak up against the mafia in Kosovo. Any ordinary citizen would welcome european attention to solve this heavy problem for all kosovans. After all, italians are sick of their mafia. But apparently the bloggers here don't welcome that. why?

The Brit

pre 13 godina

Felamendarit and chvala mnoga.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 25 February 2011 07:19)

I want to use this as a question in our pub quiz but need a bit of help. I recognise the first one as an anagram for the Albanian word for "thank you", as in "falemnderit for all that money to renovate the power station which we've just spent on drugs and real estate in Montenegro", but what's the second one? Hebrew? Chagos Islander? Mongoloid? Does being an American mean never having to say thank you (properly)?

roberto

pre 13 godina

# "Whatever one says about Kosovo - there is no judicial evidence to back it up. We can say there is organized crime, and strong ties of politicians with all that, but we have no judicial evidence on that. "

Now how did B92 linked this with: Kosova is mafia state???

Only they know...

It a classic example of manipulating what ppl say.

Bad journalism and pathetic propaganda with hate against Kosova.
(ben, 24 February 2011 19:40)

I really don't know how you do it, ben, how you can stand swimming in this shark tank, yet still remain strong and intact. you and some of our other kosovar colleagues. i really want to send my support to you, and to thank you for many of your comments, and for your own support.

this issue of mafia is a little bit funny, ironic -- many countries are sick w/ mafia, esp.ly in the balkans. for years there was no real border btwn mafia and govt in serbia, and they still have a long, long way to go. as for italy, please! i love Italy and (most) Italians, but any single one will describe the hold the mafia still has on their country, if they're the least bit honest.

in the balkans the worst hotspots of organized crime are so-called republika srpska and n. mitorvica. both are basically controlled by organized crime, but shock! it isn't mentioned by marty nor this "objective" italian, nor (of course) b92. just top secret:)

as for corruption in kosova, flora brovina said it (to us) the best: we don't need foreigners to tell us about the corruption here. i agree that there is a lot of work to do in Kosova, but those aforementioned sources are not the least bit interested in helping. only in attacking and smearing the people of kosova, day in and day out (organ trafficking, organ trafficking, organ trafficking!!). wait, b-92, what's the "news" today? Organ trafficking... it IS as bad as the days of milosevic.

there will be many from around the world who will continue to attack us, for many reasons, using as many methods. they are not frnds, they do not wish us well, and they need not to promote their libels without any response.

BTW, am off to the balkans next month, starting right off at pristina's airport. very excited and lots of plans...

Felamendarit and chvala mnoga.

roberto
frisco

B.PETER

pre 13 godina

What is this nosense, SRBIJA did not call;Thaci big stinking fish NATO of course and your friend WEST did.KOSOVO will be SRBIJA as it was before...

cees

pre 13 godina

Arlacchi also noted that "it is clear everyone knew about ties between Kosovo's leaders and the KLA with organized crime", and repeated his recent statement that Kosovo was a "mafia state".

Reading a piece of journalism like this I am really feeling the pressure to write Mr. Arlacchi if this has happened the way B92 has printed. We read in the article some full quotations and suddenly there is this sentence: "and repeated his recent statement that Kosovo was a "mafia state", with the result that this appears as the header, the most important thing this man has said.
We Serbs may have done horrible atrocities in Kosovo but on the other side you can find some thugs too. That's not real news, because there is no country on the world without corrupted, mafia-like and gangstering people. Why did Amnesty International's demands http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/serbia-must-pursue-others-after-kosovo-murders-conviction-2011-02-24 not reach the lines of B92?

justhetruth

pre 13 godina

A birth place of Mafia calls someone else mafia ..what a JOKE...If someone from X country who doesn't have a history regarding mafia or cracked it all the way maybe you have a right accusing someone else IF you have proved ,,They say whatever you say stick always on you

pss

pre 13 godina

(Pete, 24 February 2011 17:28)

Of course Russia and Serbia are known for their strictly humanitarian actions throughout the world. cough,cough.

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

From 1997 until 2002 he was the Executive Director of the UN Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention (ODCCP).
Coming from a man of this caliber says it all, but of course the k-trolls, as always, put their heads deaper in the denial sand.

Day after day it is becoming increasly clear that this time nobody will be able to wipe these crimes under the rug.

Thanks to Mr Marty more and more reports are surfacing, more and more people are speaking out loud, the truth has finally a chance to make it's way thru.

As this gentlemen truly stated, it was/is upto Eulex to do their job, which apparently they are not doing at all.
Then, no wonder that Mr Marty and other smart people are asking for an independant serious investigation to start !

The K-trolls that were kissing Italy at the time of recon of their illegal UDI are the same that today are spitting on it, just because this gentlemen is Italian. It says all as to the level of hypocrisy and stupid blind nationalism !!

And Kosovo is supposed to have a future with these kind of people and a criminal gang heading it.
No wonder that no kosovar living abroad, including the cyber smart here, are willing to return..

mauro

pre 13 godina

I am italian and I can assure everybody that mr. Arlacchi is a honest person and top expert in the fight of organized crime. It would be easier for him and his career to say that everything is good in Kosovo but he is not the type of person who says lies to be in good relations with the power(s). so it's sad when I read one reader here saying he's "a clown". True, we have many clowns in Italy but Pino Arlacchi is not one of them

luciano

pre 13 godina

The American FBI and CIA knew and know very well that many people in the Pristina administration are criminals but some politicians such as Albright,Clark and Clinton thought it would be swell to befriend them knowing that not too far in the distant future they themseves will need friends who can help them with their organ transplants.They thought it beneficial to have friends in such low places.Getting old is a real bitch my friends.

arti

pre 13 godina

"The principal goal of both those accused and democracy is to undertake a judicial investigation."
P.Arlachi

Well in this case if no evidence is needed to start a high profile investigation such this the judicial system would be a laughing stock where everybody can use it as a propaganda tool for their one interests, then judicial system it's worthless, evidence is what gives a investigation credibility not words in thin air.

sj

pre 13 godina

For the sake of Pete what's your point?
Because the West has only interest we should not trust them but trust Serbs instead?

By the way, Albanians also have only interests.
(miri, 24 February 2011 19:15)

Only people that can feed themselves without aid have interests. The Albanians in Kosovo can only serve other nations’ interests and nothing else. You haven’t got anything to bargain with!

Pete

pre 13 godina

The point I'm making miri is that the Americans will abandon you as soon as it's expedient. Your pseudo State is propped up by foreign donations. What do you have that is truly yours. What have you created since 1999 or before, that is genuinely of your own design. What have you contributed to culture, the arts, sport, science, the advancement of humanity. Abusing the Serbs, hating the Serbs won't change those facts. Bad things were done in the name of Serbia. But the Serbs have the guts to admit that and try and move on. You guys live in a state of denial. You've never done anything wrong. Ever. Have you. You also suggest you have no friends, only interests. Well God help you then.
It's for Pete's sake by the way not for the sake of Pete.

MikeC

pre 13 godina

"Sure, and Italy is not. Mafia was born in Italy for God sake."
ivan

Rather then making the situation better in Kosovo you albanians have to find excuses, excuses, excuses! No wonder you haven't come anywhere. No wonder nothing good came out of neither Kosovo or Albania.

ben

pre 13 godina

"Whatever one says about Kosovo - there is no judicial evidence to back it up. We can say there is organized crime, and strong ties of politicians with all that, but we have no judicial evidence on that. "

Now how did B92 linked this with: Kosova is mafia state???

Only they know...

It a classic example of manipulating what ppl say.

Bad journalism and pathetic propaganda with hate against Kosova.

miri

pre 13 godina

What people have to be clear about is that the Western powers, but particularly the UK and USA, have no friends only interests. That includes the Albanians and everybody else. It suits their purpose for whatever reason, to prop up the Kosovo mob. They supported the Afghan mujahadeen, South American tinpot dictators, Middle Eastern tin pot dictators like Saddam Hussein and Gaddaffi until the time came to dump them. And believe you me they'll drop the Albanians and Thaci like a hot potatoe when it suits them. Western intelligence services and governments know what the Kosovo Albanians are and what they have done. They've (US) embedded themselves in Kosovo and constructed a vast complex completely at odds with the aims of the original mission (or was it). They provoked the Serbs into a fight, knowing full well they would react in the way that they did. And they got what they wanted. Everybody here can slag each other off until they're blue in the face, but the situation on the ground won't change until the yanks say so. Having said that, it's good to hear from an expert such as this Italian gentleman who obviously knows his subject.
(Pete, 24 February 2011 17:28)

For the sake of Pete what's your point?
Because the West has only interest we should not trust them but trust Serbs instead?

By the way, Albanians also have only interests.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Interesting not a word from B92 about V. Djordjevic verdict. You serbs are too easy to see through.
(Bekim Mitrovica, 24 February 2011 17:11)
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What is it with you KiM Albanians? The topic here is "Kosova" being a mafia state that everyone is already aware of. Why do you guys constantly bring up unrelated topics like Milosevic, Mladic and other rubbish? Is it because you have nothing else to argue with so changing the topic is the best you can do?

If you are so interested in Vlastimir Đorđević, well, that's yesterday's news and you can discuss it here -> http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=02&dd=23&nav_id=72889

Now stick to the topic my friends otherwise it looks like you're grasping at straws.

Endri

pre 13 godina

Ilir,

you have said everything I wanted to. You will find always parrots like this P. Arlacchi who are asking for perfection while such can not be found even at his home Italy. I consulted some sources in Internet and this guy has a clear stance against US politics not only in Kosovo bur also in Afghanistan, Iraq etc. Bring some facts Mr. Arlacchi about the mafia people in Kosovo and everybody will be happy. In addition we are waiting for Marty facts which are missing until now.

The Brit

pre 13 godina

Interesting not a word from B92 about V. Djordjevic verdict. You serbs are too easy to see through.
(Bekim Mitrovica, 24 February 2011 17:11)

They did, Trigger. Yesterday. You're a day late. I hope everyone remembers what I was saying about Mitrovica - Planet of the Apes, both sides.

Jetoni, US

pre 13 godina

Asked to comment on unofficial statements coming from some MEPs that "Marty must provide evidence" - despite the fact the Swiss CoE rapporteur is neither a judge nor a prosecutor - Arlachi responded:

"The thing is that there is no judicial evidence. I've mentioned EULEX, which, as far as I know, has ten prosecutors, precisely for that reason. What have they been up to these three years? They are responsible for the work of the local judiciary, which should have the final word. Whatever one says about Kosovo - there is no judicial evidence to back it up. We can say there is organized crime, and strong ties of politicians with all that, but we have no judicial evidence on that. The principal goal of both those accused and democracy is to undertake a judicial investigation. Marty's conclusions cannot be taken as definitive. It's a paradox that without a judicial investigation we will continue as before - and that's unacceptable".
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Oh goodness - so there is no evidence. I was really holding my breath for something to come out of this.

Where does this leave everyone? When will Marty submit his report/information to EULEX prosecutors for them to go and find the evidence? Why didn't he do this already, before publishing it?

Is it just me, or is this definitely NOT the way to go about investigating an alleged crime, and bring those responsible to justice? What a circus... *sigh*

Pete

pre 13 godina

What people have to be clear about is that the Western powers, but particularly the UK and USA, have no friends only interests. That includes the Albanians and everybody else. It suits their purpose for whatever reason, to prop up the Kosovo mob. They supported the Afghan mujahadeen, South American tinpot dictators, Middle Eastern tin pot dictators like Saddam Hussein and Gaddaffi until the time came to dump them. And believe you me they'll drop the Albanians and Thaci like a hot potatoe when it suits them. Western intelligence services and governments know what the Kosovo Albanians are and what they have done. They've (US) embedded themselves in Kosovo and constructed a vast complex completely at odds with the aims of the original mission (or was it). They provoked the Serbs into a fight, knowing full well they would react in the way that they did. And they got what they wanted. Everybody here can slag each other off until they're blue in the face, but the situation on the ground won't change until the yanks say so. Having said that, it's good to hear from an expert such as this Italian gentleman who obviously knows his subject.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

I read Marty's report, which is excellent and contains much information and details. It ought to receive strong support, and I am surprised it has not received it from EULEX."


details, What details? Why Marty did not submitt those details to EULEX prosecutor, YET?

iliri

pre 13 godina

Italian industries have major investments in Libya...calling Kosovo a maphia state sounds ridiculous at this point. Italians should worry about their own gov and its splendid ties with arab dictators... Less than a year ago Gedafi gave away Kuran books to italian models that attended a cocktail Berlusconi organised to honor ''the friend of italy'' Gedafi...at least Thaci, does not bomb up in pieces 250 citizens of his own country, and Thaci does not organise feasts and parties with models when foreign leaders come to visit Kosovo,...if the organ trade fiction comes out to be true, all we have to do is sent Thaci to life imprisonment, as death penalty is banned in Europe...Thaci does not represent Kosovo, Kosovo has a president, has oposition parties which after the last election are strong enough to oust a president, and even Thaci, but the system is not perfect, that is why it is monitored by EU and US, which are not the definotion of perfection either...but Gedafi, a leader who has splendid ties with italy, just killed 10 thousand of his own citicens and he still goes around making patriotic and anti conspiracy empirialist speeches...Thaci is just a small fish in international arena, Gedafi and Berlusconi on the other side, organise parties on behalf of sweat and effort of Libyan people...if Kosovo is such a dangerous maphia state as this deputy claims than he owes explanition to the Italian taxpayers, whose money are spent on italian Nato and Eulex missions ... if Kosovo is not the perfect state that EU and this italian parrots wants today, we all have the same share of guilt, albanians, europeans, serbians and even americans...yet, considering the fact that 10 years ago in Kosovo there was one of the bloodiest war in yugoslavian war series, albanian and international factor has managed to settle peace, serbs are being involved in gov, and in the future we might even have more important ministries held by serbian minority...

lowe

pre 13 godina

" It's disgraceful how Europe and the United States faced the problem. They wanted political results, and in a way, they wanted a war to break out over there. It was done by turning their heads away from KLA's criminal activities. Later on, I was in Kosovo for a few months in 2004, and I had access to some NATO files. The picture was effectively the same," Arlacchi concluded his interview for the BBC. "

If this is true, then nobody in the world are more deceitful and despicable than the Yankees, with their major West European henchmen not far behind. And yet today they have the gall to denounce what's going on in places like Egypt and Libya!

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Arlacchi also noted that "it is clear everyone knew about ties between Kosovo's leaders and the KLA with organized crime", and repeated his recent statement that Kosovo was a "mafia state".
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Yes, "Kosova" is a mafia state run by a joint criminal criminal enterprise. Everyone knows that and for the sake of peace, it is time to do something about it.

JohnBoy

pre 13 godina

Where are the usual gang of albo trolls denouncing this man as an agent of Serbia? This is why I've said your mafia fantasy pseudo-state will not last. Now, to inform my unemployed fellow americans how much money their us government wasted on you while they struggle paying their bills....

European citizen

pre 13 godina

I am able to say only a big BRAVO
for Mr. Pino ARLACCHI, one of less
parliamentarians in EU, who to exerts
and is interested for the case:
“To organs sell” in Kosovo!!!

MikeC

pre 13 godina

The American/UK intervention in Kosovo is a failure just like their experiment Kosovo. 12 years and the West hasn't been able to make a respectable society out of Kosovo. Organ harvesting, drug smugling, terrorist camps and even dead people voting. You name it and Kosovo has it.

lowe

pre 13 godina

" It's disgraceful how Europe and the United States faced the problem. They wanted political results, and in a way, they wanted a war to break out over there. It was done by turning their heads away from KLA's criminal activities. Later on, I was in Kosovo for a few months in 2004, and I had access to some NATO files. The picture was effectively the same," Arlacchi concluded his interview for the BBC. "

If this is true, then nobody in the world are more deceitful and despicable than the Yankees, with their major West European henchmen not far behind. And yet today they have the gall to denounce what's going on in places like Egypt and Libya!

MikeC

pre 13 godina

The American/UK intervention in Kosovo is a failure just like their experiment Kosovo. 12 years and the West hasn't been able to make a respectable society out of Kosovo. Organ harvesting, drug smugling, terrorist camps and even dead people voting. You name it and Kosovo has it.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Interesting not a word from B92 about V. Djordjevic verdict. You serbs are too easy to see through.
(Bekim Mitrovica, 24 February 2011 17:11)
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What is it with you KiM Albanians? The topic here is "Kosova" being a mafia state that everyone is already aware of. Why do you guys constantly bring up unrelated topics like Milosevic, Mladic and other rubbish? Is it because you have nothing else to argue with so changing the topic is the best you can do?

If you are so interested in Vlastimir Đorđević, well, that's yesterday's news and you can discuss it here -> http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=02&dd=23&nav_id=72889

Now stick to the topic my friends otherwise it looks like you're grasping at straws.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Arlacchi also noted that "it is clear everyone knew about ties between Kosovo's leaders and the KLA with organized crime", and repeated his recent statement that Kosovo was a "mafia state".
--
Yes, "Kosova" is a mafia state run by a joint criminal criminal enterprise. Everyone knows that and for the sake of peace, it is time to do something about it.

European citizen

pre 13 godina

I am able to say only a big BRAVO
for Mr. Pino ARLACCHI, one of less
parliamentarians in EU, who to exerts
and is interested for the case:
“To organs sell” in Kosovo!!!

JohnBoy

pre 13 godina

Where are the usual gang of albo trolls denouncing this man as an agent of Serbia? This is why I've said your mafia fantasy pseudo-state will not last. Now, to inform my unemployed fellow americans how much money their us government wasted on you while they struggle paying their bills....

Pete

pre 13 godina

What people have to be clear about is that the Western powers, but particularly the UK and USA, have no friends only interests. That includes the Albanians and everybody else. It suits their purpose for whatever reason, to prop up the Kosovo mob. They supported the Afghan mujahadeen, South American tinpot dictators, Middle Eastern tin pot dictators like Saddam Hussein and Gaddaffi until the time came to dump them. And believe you me they'll drop the Albanians and Thaci like a hot potatoe when it suits them. Western intelligence services and governments know what the Kosovo Albanians are and what they have done. They've (US) embedded themselves in Kosovo and constructed a vast complex completely at odds with the aims of the original mission (or was it). They provoked the Serbs into a fight, knowing full well they would react in the way that they did. And they got what they wanted. Everybody here can slag each other off until they're blue in the face, but the situation on the ground won't change until the yanks say so. Having said that, it's good to hear from an expert such as this Italian gentleman who obviously knows his subject.

Dragan

pre 13 godina

Kosovo a 'mafia state'? I consider this a huge insult the mafia and to
Tony Soprano. The Italian mafia never did sick things like extract organs for money, only inhuman monsters like Mengele or Thaci could dream up such attrocities.

MikeC

pre 13 godina

"Sure, and Italy is not. Mafia was born in Italy for God sake."
ivan

Rather then making the situation better in Kosovo you albanians have to find excuses, excuses, excuses! No wonder you haven't come anywhere. No wonder nothing good came out of neither Kosovo or Albania.

Top

pre 13 godina

"Don Makkaroni: "Kosovo is "mafia state"". Thank you, Kosova Police is aware and they are working on it. "
(Ilyrian from Vushtrri, 25 February 2011 11:11)

Correct! And that's the problem. In Kosovo, the Police is working ON it, not AGAINST it, like in normal countries...

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Kosovo is "mafia state" - says Pino Arlacchi.
How about Italy Mr Arlacchi???
(gjon cima, 25 February 2011 09:16)
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The big difference is that most states are cracking down on the mafia, crime, corruption and fraud.

In "Kosova" it is flourishing, promoted, allowed and accepted. The internationals turn a blind eye to it.

As someone mentioned, in most parts of the world citizens are happy that mafia structures are being removed in their respective states, however, KiM Albanians continue to have their heads buried in the sand and remain in constant denial. Nothing new and completely predictable.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

I read Marty's report, which is excellent and contains much information and details. It ought to receive strong support, and I am surprised it has not received it from EULEX."


details, What details? Why Marty did not submitt those details to EULEX prosecutor, YET?

miri

pre 13 godina

What people have to be clear about is that the Western powers, but particularly the UK and USA, have no friends only interests. That includes the Albanians and everybody else. It suits their purpose for whatever reason, to prop up the Kosovo mob. They supported the Afghan mujahadeen, South American tinpot dictators, Middle Eastern tin pot dictators like Saddam Hussein and Gaddaffi until the time came to dump them. And believe you me they'll drop the Albanians and Thaci like a hot potatoe when it suits them. Western intelligence services and governments know what the Kosovo Albanians are and what they have done. They've (US) embedded themselves in Kosovo and constructed a vast complex completely at odds with the aims of the original mission (or was it). They provoked the Serbs into a fight, knowing full well they would react in the way that they did. And they got what they wanted. Everybody here can slag each other off until they're blue in the face, but the situation on the ground won't change until the yanks say so. Having said that, it's good to hear from an expert such as this Italian gentleman who obviously knows his subject.
(Pete, 24 February 2011 17:28)

For the sake of Pete what's your point?
Because the West has only interest we should not trust them but trust Serbs instead?

By the way, Albanians also have only interests.

luciano

pre 13 godina

The American FBI and CIA knew and know very well that many people in the Pristina administration are criminals but some politicians such as Albright,Clark and Clinton thought it would be swell to befriend them knowing that not too far in the distant future they themseves will need friends who can help them with their organ transplants.They thought it beneficial to have friends in such low places.Getting old is a real bitch my friends.

mauro

pre 13 godina

I am italian and I can assure everybody that mr. Arlacchi is a honest person and top expert in the fight of organized crime. It would be easier for him and his career to say that everything is good in Kosovo but he is not the type of person who says lies to be in good relations with the power(s). so it's sad when I read one reader here saying he's "a clown". True, we have many clowns in Italy but Pino Arlacchi is not one of them

The Brit

pre 13 godina

Interesting not a word from B92 about V. Djordjevic verdict. You serbs are too easy to see through.
(Bekim Mitrovica, 24 February 2011 17:11)

They did, Trigger. Yesterday. You're a day late. I hope everyone remembers what I was saying about Mitrovica - Planet of the Apes, both sides.

Endri

pre 13 godina

Ilir,

you have said everything I wanted to. You will find always parrots like this P. Arlacchi who are asking for perfection while such can not be found even at his home Italy. I consulted some sources in Internet and this guy has a clear stance against US politics not only in Kosovo bur also in Afghanistan, Iraq etc. Bring some facts Mr. Arlacchi about the mafia people in Kosovo and everybody will be happy. In addition we are waiting for Marty facts which are missing until now.

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

From 1997 until 2002 he was the Executive Director of the UN Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention (ODCCP).
Coming from a man of this caliber says it all, but of course the k-trolls, as always, put their heads deaper in the denial sand.

Day after day it is becoming increasly clear that this time nobody will be able to wipe these crimes under the rug.

Thanks to Mr Marty more and more reports are surfacing, more and more people are speaking out loud, the truth has finally a chance to make it's way thru.

As this gentlemen truly stated, it was/is upto Eulex to do their job, which apparently they are not doing at all.
Then, no wonder that Mr Marty and other smart people are asking for an independant serious investigation to start !

The K-trolls that were kissing Italy at the time of recon of their illegal UDI are the same that today are spitting on it, just because this gentlemen is Italian. It says all as to the level of hypocrisy and stupid blind nationalism !!

And Kosovo is supposed to have a future with these kind of people and a criminal gang heading it.
No wonder that no kosovar living abroad, including the cyber smart here, are willing to return..

Jetoni, US

pre 13 godina

Asked to comment on unofficial statements coming from some MEPs that "Marty must provide evidence" - despite the fact the Swiss CoE rapporteur is neither a judge nor a prosecutor - Arlachi responded:

"The thing is that there is no judicial evidence. I've mentioned EULEX, which, as far as I know, has ten prosecutors, precisely for that reason. What have they been up to these three years? They are responsible for the work of the local judiciary, which should have the final word. Whatever one says about Kosovo - there is no judicial evidence to back it up. We can say there is organized crime, and strong ties of politicians with all that, but we have no judicial evidence on that. The principal goal of both those accused and democracy is to undertake a judicial investigation. Marty's conclusions cannot be taken as definitive. It's a paradox that without a judicial investigation we will continue as before - and that's unacceptable".
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Oh goodness - so there is no evidence. I was really holding my breath for something to come out of this.

Where does this leave everyone? When will Marty submit his report/information to EULEX prosecutors for them to go and find the evidence? Why didn't he do this already, before publishing it?

Is it just me, or is this definitely NOT the way to go about investigating an alleged crime, and bring those responsible to justice? What a circus... *sigh*

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Felamendarit and chvala mnoga.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 25 February 2011 07:19)

but what's the second one? Hebrew? Chagos Islander? Mongoloid? Does being an American mean never having to say thank you (properly)?
(The Brit, 25 February 2011 10:57)
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Hmm, my guess is it's pig latin for "Chihuahua my dog"?

iliri

pre 13 godina

Italian industries have major investments in Libya...calling Kosovo a maphia state sounds ridiculous at this point. Italians should worry about their own gov and its splendid ties with arab dictators... Less than a year ago Gedafi gave away Kuran books to italian models that attended a cocktail Berlusconi organised to honor ''the friend of italy'' Gedafi...at least Thaci, does not bomb up in pieces 250 citizens of his own country, and Thaci does not organise feasts and parties with models when foreign leaders come to visit Kosovo,...if the organ trade fiction comes out to be true, all we have to do is sent Thaci to life imprisonment, as death penalty is banned in Europe...Thaci does not represent Kosovo, Kosovo has a president, has oposition parties which after the last election are strong enough to oust a president, and even Thaci, but the system is not perfect, that is why it is monitored by EU and US, which are not the definotion of perfection either...but Gedafi, a leader who has splendid ties with italy, just killed 10 thousand of his own citicens and he still goes around making patriotic and anti conspiracy empirialist speeches...Thaci is just a small fish in international arena, Gedafi and Berlusconi on the other side, organise parties on behalf of sweat and effort of Libyan people...if Kosovo is such a dangerous maphia state as this deputy claims than he owes explanition to the Italian taxpayers, whose money are spent on italian Nato and Eulex missions ... if Kosovo is not the perfect state that EU and this italian parrots wants today, we all have the same share of guilt, albanians, europeans, serbians and even americans...yet, considering the fact that 10 years ago in Kosovo there was one of the bloodiest war in yugoslavian war series, albanian and international factor has managed to settle peace, serbs are being involved in gov, and in the future we might even have more important ministries held by serbian minority...

Pete

pre 13 godina

The point I'm making miri is that the Americans will abandon you as soon as it's expedient. Your pseudo State is propped up by foreign donations. What do you have that is truly yours. What have you created since 1999 or before, that is genuinely of your own design. What have you contributed to culture, the arts, sport, science, the advancement of humanity. Abusing the Serbs, hating the Serbs won't change those facts. Bad things were done in the name of Serbia. But the Serbs have the guts to admit that and try and move on. You guys live in a state of denial. You've never done anything wrong. Ever. Have you. You also suggest you have no friends, only interests. Well God help you then.
It's for Pete's sake by the way not for the sake of Pete.

The Brit

pre 13 godina

Felamendarit and chvala mnoga.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 25 February 2011 07:19)

I want to use this as a question in our pub quiz but need a bit of help. I recognise the first one as an anagram for the Albanian word for "thank you", as in "falemnderit for all that money to renovate the power station which we've just spent on drugs and real estate in Montenegro", but what's the second one? Hebrew? Chagos Islander? Mongoloid? Does being an American mean never having to say thank you (properly)?

fd

pre 13 godina

I thought k-albs would be delighted to hear this person speak up against the mafia in Kosovo. Any ordinary citizen would welcome european attention to solve this heavy problem for all kosovans. After all, italians are sick of their mafia. But apparently the bloggers here don't welcome that. why?

ben

pre 13 godina

"Whatever one says about Kosovo - there is no judicial evidence to back it up. We can say there is organized crime, and strong ties of politicians with all that, but we have no judicial evidence on that. "

Now how did B92 linked this with: Kosova is mafia state???

Only they know...

It a classic example of manipulating what ppl say.

Bad journalism and pathetic propaganda with hate against Kosova.

roberto

pre 13 godina

# "Whatever one says about Kosovo - there is no judicial evidence to back it up. We can say there is organized crime, and strong ties of politicians with all that, but we have no judicial evidence on that. "

Now how did B92 linked this with: Kosova is mafia state???

Only they know...

It a classic example of manipulating what ppl say.

Bad journalism and pathetic propaganda with hate against Kosova.
(ben, 24 February 2011 19:40)

I really don't know how you do it, ben, how you can stand swimming in this shark tank, yet still remain strong and intact. you and some of our other kosovar colleagues. i really want to send my support to you, and to thank you for many of your comments, and for your own support.

this issue of mafia is a little bit funny, ironic -- many countries are sick w/ mafia, esp.ly in the balkans. for years there was no real border btwn mafia and govt in serbia, and they still have a long, long way to go. as for italy, please! i love Italy and (most) Italians, but any single one will describe the hold the mafia still has on their country, if they're the least bit honest.

in the balkans the worst hotspots of organized crime are so-called republika srpska and n. mitorvica. both are basically controlled by organized crime, but shock! it isn't mentioned by marty nor this "objective" italian, nor (of course) b92. just top secret:)

as for corruption in kosova, flora brovina said it (to us) the best: we don't need foreigners to tell us about the corruption here. i agree that there is a lot of work to do in Kosova, but those aforementioned sources are not the least bit interested in helping. only in attacking and smearing the people of kosova, day in and day out (organ trafficking, organ trafficking, organ trafficking!!). wait, b-92, what's the "news" today? Organ trafficking... it IS as bad as the days of milosevic.

there will be many from around the world who will continue to attack us, for many reasons, using as many methods. they are not frnds, they do not wish us well, and they need not to promote their libels without any response.

BTW, am off to the balkans next month, starting right off at pristina's airport. very excited and lots of plans...

Felamendarit and chvala mnoga.

roberto
frisco

Je¿ atamañski

pre 13 godina

BTW, am off to the balkans next month, starting right off at pristina's airport. very excited and lots of plans...

Felamendarit and chvala mnoga.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 25 February 2011 07:19)

As usual, nothing learned.

1) FALEMINDERIT
2) HVALA
3) Starting from Pristina airport? Glad, you are that rich. A few times was told, what is the best and what is the second-best way to reach Pristina from San Francisco - it's not the Pristina airport.

Lack of the ability to learn is expensive. There goes $500 (at least). But it is not the biggest loss.

Out of curiosity: there is an other thread, with "rotten Jew" spelled out by our resident Hungaronazi Joe. This is a second within a month, the one on February 7 was priceless. But now Joe "succeed" to smuggle "rohardszki-bibsi " on B92.

Here it is - to everyone's enjoyment:

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=72893

Original thread from February 7 (Roberto mystically missing!)

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=72574

But I think, the more recent is pretty cool, "rohardszki-bibsi " is priceless, with bad Hungarian grammar.

sj

pre 13 godina

For the sake of Pete what's your point?
Because the West has only interest we should not trust them but trust Serbs instead?

By the way, Albanians also have only interests.
(miri, 24 February 2011 19:15)

Only people that can feed themselves without aid have interests. The Albanians in Kosovo can only serve other nations’ interests and nothing else. You haven’t got anything to bargain with!

B.PETER

pre 13 godina

What is this nosense, SRBIJA did not call;Thaci big stinking fish NATO of course and your friend WEST did.KOSOVO will be SRBIJA as it was before...

Ilyrian from Vushtrri

pre 13 godina

Don Makkaroni: "Kosovo is "mafia state"". Thank you, Kosova Police is aware and they are working on it. Just as in every other country in the world, if you have more informations, please provide them to police.

cees

pre 13 godina

Arlacchi also noted that "it is clear everyone knew about ties between Kosovo's leaders and the KLA with organized crime", and repeated his recent statement that Kosovo was a "mafia state".

Reading a piece of journalism like this I am really feeling the pressure to write Mr. Arlacchi if this has happened the way B92 has printed. We read in the article some full quotations and suddenly there is this sentence: "and repeated his recent statement that Kosovo was a "mafia state", with the result that this appears as the header, the most important thing this man has said.
We Serbs may have done horrible atrocities in Kosovo but on the other side you can find some thugs too. That's not real news, because there is no country on the world without corrupted, mafia-like and gangstering people. Why did Amnesty International's demands http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/serbia-must-pursue-others-after-kosovo-murders-conviction-2011-02-24 not reach the lines of B92?

pss

pre 13 godina

(Pete, 24 February 2011 17:28)

Of course Russia and Serbia are known for their strictly humanitarian actions throughout the world. cough,cough.

Objector

pre 13 godina

Don Makkaroni: "Kosovo is "mafia state"". Thank you, Kosova Police is aware and they are working on it. Just as in every other country in the world, if you have more informations, please provide them to police.
(Ilyrian from Vushtrri, 25 February 2011 11:11)

Ever called and Italian to his face a 'makkaroni' then or do you just make racist slurs behind the anonymity of the internet like a real little coward?

Another one who cannot face the consequences of his own words in the real world. Pathetic.

lili

pre 13 godina

the question seems to be 3who has not been in kosovo-or albania_ and had access to nato files,eulex files, unmik files!!!
From 1997 until 2002 he was the Executive Director of the UN Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention (ODCCP).
Indeed he has done a great job:nothing to stop all this maffia? how does he explains that he did not spoke yesterday?Why did not he pass his information to unmik prosecutors then,when probes were more easy to control but only years after?

Bilbao

pre 13 godina

The big difference is that most states are cracking down on the mafia, crime, corruption and fraud.

In "Kosova" it is flourishing, promoted, allowed and accepted. The internationals turn a blind eye to it.

As someone mentioned, in most parts of the world citizens are happy that mafia structures are being removed in their respective states, however, KiM Albanians continue to have their heads buried in the sand and remain in constant denial. Nothing new and completely predictable.
(Zoran, 25 February 2011 13:11)

Ok Zoran first you are becoming realistic and accepting Kosovo as a State good.

Kosovo is sure not perfect but give it time, Kosovo issue is that people can not go on the street since they want to wait for all the negotiations about North to end with Serbia.

Then same as in Serbia politicians have no place to divert mass attention and they will be removed.

No more pointing fingers at each other in balkans.

KU

pre 13 godina

"I thought k-albs would be delighted to hear this person speak up against the mafia in Kosovo. Any ordinary citizen would welcome european attention to solve this heavy problem for all kosovans. After all, italians are sick of their mafia. But apparently the bloggers here don't welcome that. why?"
(fd, 25 February 2011 10:10)

Oh yeah, I was very very interested. I was reading and judging by his shiny CV this man has experience in fighting the Mafia in his own place of birth and around the world. I did not like the words "mafia" and "state" but let it pass, thought it was a deliberate mistake from the article editor. So, I was reading very interested until I got to the last paragraph, where he goes off in a totally different direction, not talking about Mafia anymore but about "EU and the US wanted a war to break out", "they are disgraceful". And here he lost me. Everything else he said before lost credibility. He went in that long category of people that are ideologically or politically motivated against the just US and EU intervention in Kosovo. According to him, it is a disgrace that the EU and US intervened in Kosovo. Case closed, he did not catch my attention, he does not seem sincere.

That does not mean Albanians are not sick of their mafia. Just sick of this kind of people with other goals. All their expertise and knowledge is useless when it comes wrapped in other stuff. And it is a pity because it could really help.

Wee Kelpie

pre 13 godina

Does being an American mean never having to say thank you (properly)?
(The Brit, 25 February 2011 10:57)

I've asked before, I'll ask again, who is 'The Brit'?

Methinks we could be on the same wavelength :-))

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Ok Zoran first you are becoming realistic and accepting Kosovo as a State good.

Kosovo is sure not perfect but give it time...
(Bilbao, 25 February 2011 18:13)
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Of course "Kosova" is a state in the imagination of KiM Albanians with their heads buried in the sand. It's there for all to see.

No, "Kosova" is not perfect and we've been waiting 12 years for improvement but even with international assistance and billions of dollars thrown at it, nothing has changed. It is still a mafia state.

justhetruth

pre 13 godina

A birth place of Mafia calls someone else mafia ..what a JOKE...If someone from X country who doesn't have a history regarding mafia or cracked it all the way maybe you have a right accusing someone else IF you have proved ,,They say whatever you say stick always on you

Ataman

pre 13 godina

Jez idiotsky et al... they are not attacking the substance of what you (or I) write they just go in personal insults. 

(ben, 26 February 2011 14:38)

Ben, that was a perfect denouncing of personal insults. As personal insult - you just insulted yourself. Enough to read what you wrote.

Nothing to attack regards the substance what Robert wrote since there isn't any, besides usual horrible grammar, ethnic slander and funny spelling mistakes.

The poor choice of the gateway airport in Balkans is a new thing. You do not know my long, pretty friendly and very one-sided private monologue with Roberto. To describe it:

me: "Roberto, why not join a famous travel site, there are many kind of people there, no poisoned atmosphere like in (guess where) and you can learn a lot of new things. The people are pretty friendly there and it's well-moderated"

Roberto: "Here is my picture with some ladies. They are nice, muslim ladies".

me: "Roberto, what you think about the new worrisome trend in Hungary?"

Roberto: "These Serbian and Russian nationalists are really #!$&&!!!"

me: "Roberto, did you join the travel forum we talked about?"

Roberto: (silence)

Later see the usual thing on B92 from him

me: "Roberto, did you join the travel forum we talked about?"

Roberto: (in few weeks):

"Sorry for silence, I got a dozen or so viruses"

(me: heck, the viruses did not prevent to post an other idiotic comment on B92, but did prevent to join the forum where he can't lecture others...)

And so on.

At one point I just gave up. That guy is impossible to communicate with in any meaningful way. At one point I offered him even my car to go around, BTW.

As for not joining the travel-related forum? Well, he just punished himself with few hundred Dollars, see the wrong gateway.

That's the Roberto-story... Either you go his bizarre way or no way. He is here to teach what he wants one-sidedely and you just can't break his skull. Has really nothing to do with Albanian cause or Bosnian cause he seem to defend or sexual orientation. It's the personality.

I judge it as an extreme form of "teacher syndrome", well-married with "Stockholm syndrome".

arti

pre 13 godina

"The principal goal of both those accused and democracy is to undertake a judicial investigation."
P.Arlachi

Well in this case if no evidence is needed to start a high profile investigation such this the judicial system would be a laughing stock where everybody can use it as a propaganda tool for their one interests, then judicial system it's worthless, evidence is what gives a investigation credibility not words in thin air.

Gjon Shpata

pre 13 godina

I don't claim to know details about Kosovar politicians, but I can say that corruption and organized crime is a big problem in the whole Balkans region, and all of Eastern Europe.

All I can say is that the currently tense political situation favors mafia. The military-mafia structures are still in power and they will be as long as the people need their protection and their strong leadership. Serbia needs to free itself and recognize Kosovo's independence. Until then, we will only have hard-line leaders in the Balkans, because our bigger fear of war makes us tolerate the "smaller" corruption problems of our leaders. We could keep pulling each other down, or we could let prosperity begin in the region. The choice is ours. Gezuar, zhiveli, cheers!

Pjeshka Pjeshka

pre 13 godina

Mr. Pino Arlacchi is a well-know antiamerican voice in Italian arena. He was just waiting his chance to curse the hateful yankees project. It's a pity how Italian left tries to gain points at the expense of the poor people of Kosovo.
Dick Marty report is a shame, it is meant to make this politician a celebrity.

Sure many terrible crimes have happened to Serb civilians in Kosovo after war. How many? 1000 crimes? Ok! Perpetrators of those crimes must be punished but such punishment should be light given the fact what Serbs had done to 2.000.000 Albanians in Kosovo!

However, does anyone dare to bring to justice the soviet soldiers who raped German women after fall or Reich?

I am Albanian from Albania and unfortunately I dont have much respect for Kosovo Albanias due to their arrogant ignorance.

However, I am terrified to see that many Serbs are not doing the necessary catharsis and their politicians are not encouraging them to do so but just the opposite.

When Serbs with do the catharsis then it would be time for Albanians to punish crimes against civilians after Serb forces left Kosovo, all of them.

ben

pre 13 godina

(roberto, 25 February 2011 07:19)

you are doing much better roberto.

Just see the ridiculous comments on what you wrote.

Jez idiotsky et al... they are not attacking the substance of what you (or I) write they just go in personal insults.

After all what can they say without any single fact???

As a matter a fact it is pretty easy to deal with the Serbian camp here.

There are 2 rules:

1. ignore their insults (they are world champions in that - you can never beat them in that)

2. expose them to the facts

of course then they will turn again to the point 1 as they don't have arguments, facts (they communicate with slogans and insults)

and you ignore that (point 1) and go again to point 2 :)

to be honest sometimes when i have more time i really enjoy it

Godfather

pre 13 godina

Bonanno, Colombo,Luchese,Genovese,Gambino,Richiutto,Badallamenti,Riina,"Sacra Corona Unita"
Ndranghetta,"Cosa Nostra", "Camorra","Gomorra" Corleone....every 5 years army goes in south to help police to fight organised crime.This is not happening in Kosova.Wander , if this "specialist" knows about this......

lili

pre 13 godina

So we are,
and then?
Do you really believe that if we were not "terrorist" "maffia state" " criminal" (add all you serbs want to portray us..)you will change your attitude toward us? Of course not,
so why should we care for what you think of us?
the only true thing that is unforgivable for you is that we are ALBANIAN!And you tried for centuries to make us forget this !
And for centuries you failed!
So at the end ,try to be intelligent and stop your vain antialbanian propaganda:you already used this scenario and you did not succed!

Toto Riina

pre 13 godina

it is clear ,also everyone knows about ties between Italy's leaders with organized crime,such as "N'drangheta", "sacra Corona Unita", "Camorra" etc.It is clear also that Mafia ,as an organised crime ,was born about 70 in south of Italy.It is also clear to everyone that 5 biggest New York families , such as Luchese,Bonnano,Gotti,Ricciuto(with ties in Montreal)are Italian by origin.Everybody knows,or has heard about Al Capone,Gaetano Badallamenti,Toto Riina,Vito Rizzutto , John Gotti,etc,etc.Do you remember Giovanni Falcone? Do you know what is happening at Napoli???? Corleone is in Italy, it is not in Kosova!Do you guys want more about Italy? Do you know the ties between Andreotti and Mafia???
In Kosova might have organized crime,as in all the rest of the world,but you can't compare it with Italy.Thank you!

Agim Kelmendi

pre 13 godina

I read Marty's report, which is excellent and contains much information and details. It ought to receive strong support, and I am surprised it has not received it from EULEX."


details, What details? Why Marty did not submitt those details to EULEX prosecutor, YET?

iliri

pre 13 godina

Italian industries have major investments in Libya...calling Kosovo a maphia state sounds ridiculous at this point. Italians should worry about their own gov and its splendid ties with arab dictators... Less than a year ago Gedafi gave away Kuran books to italian models that attended a cocktail Berlusconi organised to honor ''the friend of italy'' Gedafi...at least Thaci, does not bomb up in pieces 250 citizens of his own country, and Thaci does not organise feasts and parties with models when foreign leaders come to visit Kosovo,...if the organ trade fiction comes out to be true, all we have to do is sent Thaci to life imprisonment, as death penalty is banned in Europe...Thaci does not represent Kosovo, Kosovo has a president, has oposition parties which after the last election are strong enough to oust a president, and even Thaci, but the system is not perfect, that is why it is monitored by EU and US, which are not the definotion of perfection either...but Gedafi, a leader who has splendid ties with italy, just killed 10 thousand of his own citicens and he still goes around making patriotic and anti conspiracy empirialist speeches...Thaci is just a small fish in international arena, Gedafi and Berlusconi on the other side, organise parties on behalf of sweat and effort of Libyan people...if Kosovo is such a dangerous maphia state as this deputy claims than he owes explanition to the Italian taxpayers, whose money are spent on italian Nato and Eulex missions ... if Kosovo is not the perfect state that EU and this italian parrots wants today, we all have the same share of guilt, albanians, europeans, serbians and even americans...yet, considering the fact that 10 years ago in Kosovo there was one of the bloodiest war in yugoslavian war series, albanian and international factor has managed to settle peace, serbs are being involved in gov, and in the future we might even have more important ministries held by serbian minority...

miri

pre 13 godina

What people have to be clear about is that the Western powers, but particularly the UK and USA, have no friends only interests. That includes the Albanians and everybody else. It suits their purpose for whatever reason, to prop up the Kosovo mob. They supported the Afghan mujahadeen, South American tinpot dictators, Middle Eastern tin pot dictators like Saddam Hussein and Gaddaffi until the time came to dump them. And believe you me they'll drop the Albanians and Thaci like a hot potatoe when it suits them. Western intelligence services and governments know what the Kosovo Albanians are and what they have done. They've (US) embedded themselves in Kosovo and constructed a vast complex completely at odds with the aims of the original mission (or was it). They provoked the Serbs into a fight, knowing full well they would react in the way that they did. And they got what they wanted. Everybody here can slag each other off until they're blue in the face, but the situation on the ground won't change until the yanks say so. Having said that, it's good to hear from an expert such as this Italian gentleman who obviously knows his subject.
(Pete, 24 February 2011 17:28)

For the sake of Pete what's your point?
Because the West has only interest we should not trust them but trust Serbs instead?

By the way, Albanians also have only interests.

ben

pre 13 godina

"Whatever one says about Kosovo - there is no judicial evidence to back it up. We can say there is organized crime, and strong ties of politicians with all that, but we have no judicial evidence on that. "

Now how did B92 linked this with: Kosova is mafia state???

Only they know...

It a classic example of manipulating what ppl say.

Bad journalism and pathetic propaganda with hate against Kosova.

Endri

pre 13 godina

Ilir,

you have said everything I wanted to. You will find always parrots like this P. Arlacchi who are asking for perfection while such can not be found even at his home Italy. I consulted some sources in Internet and this guy has a clear stance against US politics not only in Kosovo bur also in Afghanistan, Iraq etc. Bring some facts Mr. Arlacchi about the mafia people in Kosovo and everybody will be happy. In addition we are waiting for Marty facts which are missing until now.

Jetoni, US

pre 13 godina

Asked to comment on unofficial statements coming from some MEPs that "Marty must provide evidence" - despite the fact the Swiss CoE rapporteur is neither a judge nor a prosecutor - Arlachi responded:

"The thing is that there is no judicial evidence. I've mentioned EULEX, which, as far as I know, has ten prosecutors, precisely for that reason. What have they been up to these three years? They are responsible for the work of the local judiciary, which should have the final word. Whatever one says about Kosovo - there is no judicial evidence to back it up. We can say there is organized crime, and strong ties of politicians with all that, but we have no judicial evidence on that. The principal goal of both those accused and democracy is to undertake a judicial investigation. Marty's conclusions cannot be taken as definitive. It's a paradox that without a judicial investigation we will continue as before - and that's unacceptable".
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Oh goodness - so there is no evidence. I was really holding my breath for something to come out of this.

Where does this leave everyone? When will Marty submit his report/information to EULEX prosecutors for them to go and find the evidence? Why didn't he do this already, before publishing it?

Is it just me, or is this definitely NOT the way to go about investigating an alleged crime, and bring those responsible to justice? What a circus... *sigh*

The Brit

pre 13 godina

Interesting not a word from B92 about V. Djordjevic verdict. You serbs are too easy to see through.
(Bekim Mitrovica, 24 February 2011 17:11)

They did, Trigger. Yesterday. You're a day late. I hope everyone remembers what I was saying about Mitrovica - Planet of the Apes, both sides.

MikeC

pre 13 godina

The American/UK intervention in Kosovo is a failure just like their experiment Kosovo. 12 years and the West hasn't been able to make a respectable society out of Kosovo. Organ harvesting, drug smugling, terrorist camps and even dead people voting. You name it and Kosovo has it.

Dragan

pre 13 godina

Kosovo a 'mafia state'? I consider this a huge insult the mafia and to
Tony Soprano. The Italian mafia never did sick things like extract organs for money, only inhuman monsters like Mengele or Thaci could dream up such attrocities.

lowe

pre 13 godina

" It's disgraceful how Europe and the United States faced the problem. They wanted political results, and in a way, they wanted a war to break out over there. It was done by turning their heads away from KLA's criminal activities. Later on, I was in Kosovo for a few months in 2004, and I had access to some NATO files. The picture was effectively the same," Arlacchi concluded his interview for the BBC. "

If this is true, then nobody in the world are more deceitful and despicable than the Yankees, with their major West European henchmen not far behind. And yet today they have the gall to denounce what's going on in places like Egypt and Libya!

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Arlacchi also noted that "it is clear everyone knew about ties between Kosovo's leaders and the KLA with organized crime", and repeated his recent statement that Kosovo was a "mafia state".
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Yes, "Kosova" is a mafia state run by a joint criminal criminal enterprise. Everyone knows that and for the sake of peace, it is time to do something about it.

roberto

pre 13 godina

# "Whatever one says about Kosovo - there is no judicial evidence to back it up. We can say there is organized crime, and strong ties of politicians with all that, but we have no judicial evidence on that. "

Now how did B92 linked this with: Kosova is mafia state???

Only they know...

It a classic example of manipulating what ppl say.

Bad journalism and pathetic propaganda with hate against Kosova.
(ben, 24 February 2011 19:40)

I really don't know how you do it, ben, how you can stand swimming in this shark tank, yet still remain strong and intact. you and some of our other kosovar colleagues. i really want to send my support to you, and to thank you for many of your comments, and for your own support.

this issue of mafia is a little bit funny, ironic -- many countries are sick w/ mafia, esp.ly in the balkans. for years there was no real border btwn mafia and govt in serbia, and they still have a long, long way to go. as for italy, please! i love Italy and (most) Italians, but any single one will describe the hold the mafia still has on their country, if they're the least bit honest.

in the balkans the worst hotspots of organized crime are so-called republika srpska and n. mitorvica. both are basically controlled by organized crime, but shock! it isn't mentioned by marty nor this "objective" italian, nor (of course) b92. just top secret:)

as for corruption in kosova, flora brovina said it (to us) the best: we don't need foreigners to tell us about the corruption here. i agree that there is a lot of work to do in Kosova, but those aforementioned sources are not the least bit interested in helping. only in attacking and smearing the people of kosova, day in and day out (organ trafficking, organ trafficking, organ trafficking!!). wait, b-92, what's the "news" today? Organ trafficking... it IS as bad as the days of milosevic.

there will be many from around the world who will continue to attack us, for many reasons, using as many methods. they are not frnds, they do not wish us well, and they need not to promote their libels without any response.

BTW, am off to the balkans next month, starting right off at pristina's airport. very excited and lots of plans...

Felamendarit and chvala mnoga.

roberto
frisco

European citizen

pre 13 godina

I am able to say only a big BRAVO
for Mr. Pino ARLACCHI, one of less
parliamentarians in EU, who to exerts
and is interested for the case:
“To organs sell” in Kosovo!!!

JohnBoy

pre 13 godina

Where are the usual gang of albo trolls denouncing this man as an agent of Serbia? This is why I've said your mafia fantasy pseudo-state will not last. Now, to inform my unemployed fellow americans how much money their us government wasted on you while they struggle paying their bills....

Pete

pre 13 godina

What people have to be clear about is that the Western powers, but particularly the UK and USA, have no friends only interests. That includes the Albanians and everybody else. It suits their purpose for whatever reason, to prop up the Kosovo mob. They supported the Afghan mujahadeen, South American tinpot dictators, Middle Eastern tin pot dictators like Saddam Hussein and Gaddaffi until the time came to dump them. And believe you me they'll drop the Albanians and Thaci like a hot potatoe when it suits them. Western intelligence services and governments know what the Kosovo Albanians are and what they have done. They've (US) embedded themselves in Kosovo and constructed a vast complex completely at odds with the aims of the original mission (or was it). They provoked the Serbs into a fight, knowing full well they would react in the way that they did. And they got what they wanted. Everybody here can slag each other off until they're blue in the face, but the situation on the ground won't change until the yanks say so. Having said that, it's good to hear from an expert such as this Italian gentleman who obviously knows his subject.

The Brit

pre 13 godina

Felamendarit and chvala mnoga.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 25 February 2011 07:19)

I want to use this as a question in our pub quiz but need a bit of help. I recognise the first one as an anagram for the Albanian word for "thank you", as in "falemnderit for all that money to renovate the power station which we've just spent on drugs and real estate in Montenegro", but what's the second one? Hebrew? Chagos Islander? Mongoloid? Does being an American mean never having to say thank you (properly)?

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Interesting not a word from B92 about V. Djordjevic verdict. You serbs are too easy to see through.
(Bekim Mitrovica, 24 February 2011 17:11)
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What is it with you KiM Albanians? The topic here is "Kosova" being a mafia state that everyone is already aware of. Why do you guys constantly bring up unrelated topics like Milosevic, Mladic and other rubbish? Is it because you have nothing else to argue with so changing the topic is the best you can do?

If you are so interested in Vlastimir Đorđević, well, that's yesterday's news and you can discuss it here -> http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=02&dd=23&nav_id=72889

Now stick to the topic my friends otherwise it looks like you're grasping at straws.

Pjeshka Pjeshka

pre 13 godina

Mr. Pino Arlacchi is a well-know antiamerican voice in Italian arena. He was just waiting his chance to curse the hateful yankees project. It's a pity how Italian left tries to gain points at the expense of the poor people of Kosovo.
Dick Marty report is a shame, it is meant to make this politician a celebrity.

Sure many terrible crimes have happened to Serb civilians in Kosovo after war. How many? 1000 crimes? Ok! Perpetrators of those crimes must be punished but such punishment should be light given the fact what Serbs had done to 2.000.000 Albanians in Kosovo!

However, does anyone dare to bring to justice the soviet soldiers who raped German women after fall or Reich?

I am Albanian from Albania and unfortunately I dont have much respect for Kosovo Albanias due to their arrogant ignorance.

However, I am terrified to see that many Serbs are not doing the necessary catharsis and their politicians are not encouraging them to do so but just the opposite.

When Serbs with do the catharsis then it would be time for Albanians to punish crimes against civilians after Serb forces left Kosovo, all of them.

lili

pre 13 godina

the question seems to be 3who has not been in kosovo-or albania_ and had access to nato files,eulex files, unmik files!!!
From 1997 until 2002 he was the Executive Director of the UN Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention (ODCCP).
Indeed he has done a great job:nothing to stop all this maffia? how does he explains that he did not spoke yesterday?Why did not he pass his information to unmik prosecutors then,when probes were more easy to control but only years after?

Bilbao

pre 13 godina

The big difference is that most states are cracking down on the mafia, crime, corruption and fraud.

In "Kosova" it is flourishing, promoted, allowed and accepted. The internationals turn a blind eye to it.

As someone mentioned, in most parts of the world citizens are happy that mafia structures are being removed in their respective states, however, KiM Albanians continue to have their heads buried in the sand and remain in constant denial. Nothing new and completely predictable.
(Zoran, 25 February 2011 13:11)

Ok Zoran first you are becoming realistic and accepting Kosovo as a State good.

Kosovo is sure not perfect but give it time, Kosovo issue is that people can not go on the street since they want to wait for all the negotiations about North to end with Serbia.

Then same as in Serbia politicians have no place to divert mass attention and they will be removed.

No more pointing fingers at each other in balkans.

MikeC

pre 13 godina

"Sure, and Italy is not. Mafia was born in Italy for God sake."
ivan

Rather then making the situation better in Kosovo you albanians have to find excuses, excuses, excuses! No wonder you haven't come anywhere. No wonder nothing good came out of neither Kosovo or Albania.

Ilyrian from Vushtrri

pre 13 godina

Don Makkaroni: "Kosovo is "mafia state"". Thank you, Kosova Police is aware and they are working on it. Just as in every other country in the world, if you have more informations, please provide them to police.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Kosovo is "mafia state" - says Pino Arlacchi.
How about Italy Mr Arlacchi???
(gjon cima, 25 February 2011 09:16)
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The big difference is that most states are cracking down on the mafia, crime, corruption and fraud.

In "Kosova" it is flourishing, promoted, allowed and accepted. The internationals turn a blind eye to it.

As someone mentioned, in most parts of the world citizens are happy that mafia structures are being removed in their respective states, however, KiM Albanians continue to have their heads buried in the sand and remain in constant denial. Nothing new and completely predictable.

KU

pre 13 godina

"I thought k-albs would be delighted to hear this person speak up against the mafia in Kosovo. Any ordinary citizen would welcome european attention to solve this heavy problem for all kosovans. After all, italians are sick of their mafia. But apparently the bloggers here don't welcome that. why?"
(fd, 25 February 2011 10:10)

Oh yeah, I was very very interested. I was reading and judging by his shiny CV this man has experience in fighting the Mafia in his own place of birth and around the world. I did not like the words "mafia" and "state" but let it pass, thought it was a deliberate mistake from the article editor. So, I was reading very interested until I got to the last paragraph, where he goes off in a totally different direction, not talking about Mafia anymore but about "EU and the US wanted a war to break out", "they are disgraceful". And here he lost me. Everything else he said before lost credibility. He went in that long category of people that are ideologically or politically motivated against the just US and EU intervention in Kosovo. According to him, it is a disgrace that the EU and US intervened in Kosovo. Case closed, he did not catch my attention, he does not seem sincere.

That does not mean Albanians are not sick of their mafia. Just sick of this kind of people with other goals. All their expertise and knowledge is useless when it comes wrapped in other stuff. And it is a pity because it could really help.

arti

pre 13 godina

"The principal goal of both those accused and democracy is to undertake a judicial investigation."
P.Arlachi

Well in this case if no evidence is needed to start a high profile investigation such this the judicial system would be a laughing stock where everybody can use it as a propaganda tool for their one interests, then judicial system it's worthless, evidence is what gives a investigation credibility not words in thin air.

B.PETER

pre 13 godina

What is this nosense, SRBIJA did not call;Thaci big stinking fish NATO of course and your friend WEST did.KOSOVO will be SRBIJA as it was before...

pss

pre 13 godina

(Pete, 24 February 2011 17:28)

Of course Russia and Serbia are known for their strictly humanitarian actions throughout the world. cough,cough.

justhetruth

pre 13 godina

A birth place of Mafia calls someone else mafia ..what a JOKE...If someone from X country who doesn't have a history regarding mafia or cracked it all the way maybe you have a right accusing someone else IF you have proved ,,They say whatever you say stick always on you

Top

pre 13 godina

"Don Makkaroni: "Kosovo is "mafia state"". Thank you, Kosova Police is aware and they are working on it. "
(Ilyrian from Vushtrri, 25 February 2011 11:11)

Correct! And that's the problem. In Kosovo, the Police is working ON it, not AGAINST it, like in normal countries...

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

From 1997 until 2002 he was the Executive Director of the UN Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention (ODCCP).
Coming from a man of this caliber says it all, but of course the k-trolls, as always, put their heads deaper in the denial sand.

Day after day it is becoming increasly clear that this time nobody will be able to wipe these crimes under the rug.

Thanks to Mr Marty more and more reports are surfacing, more and more people are speaking out loud, the truth has finally a chance to make it's way thru.

As this gentlemen truly stated, it was/is upto Eulex to do their job, which apparently they are not doing at all.
Then, no wonder that Mr Marty and other smart people are asking for an independant serious investigation to start !

The K-trolls that were kissing Italy at the time of recon of their illegal UDI are the same that today are spitting on it, just because this gentlemen is Italian. It says all as to the level of hypocrisy and stupid blind nationalism !!

And Kosovo is supposed to have a future with these kind of people and a criminal gang heading it.
No wonder that no kosovar living abroad, including the cyber smart here, are willing to return..

fd

pre 13 godina

I thought k-albs would be delighted to hear this person speak up against the mafia in Kosovo. Any ordinary citizen would welcome european attention to solve this heavy problem for all kosovans. After all, italians are sick of their mafia. But apparently the bloggers here don't welcome that. why?

ben

pre 13 godina

(roberto, 25 February 2011 07:19)

you are doing much better roberto.

Just see the ridiculous comments on what you wrote.

Jez idiotsky et al... they are not attacking the substance of what you (or I) write they just go in personal insults.

After all what can they say without any single fact???

As a matter a fact it is pretty easy to deal with the Serbian camp here.

There are 2 rules:

1. ignore their insults (they are world champions in that - you can never beat them in that)

2. expose them to the facts

of course then they will turn again to the point 1 as they don't have arguments, facts (they communicate with slogans and insults)

and you ignore that (point 1) and go again to point 2 :)

to be honest sometimes when i have more time i really enjoy it

sj

pre 13 godina

For the sake of Pete what's your point?
Because the West has only interest we should not trust them but trust Serbs instead?

By the way, Albanians also have only interests.
(miri, 24 February 2011 19:15)

Only people that can feed themselves without aid have interests. The Albanians in Kosovo can only serve other nations’ interests and nothing else. You haven’t got anything to bargain with!

Wee Kelpie

pre 13 godina

Does being an American mean never having to say thank you (properly)?
(The Brit, 25 February 2011 10:57)

I've asked before, I'll ask again, who is 'The Brit'?

Methinks we could be on the same wavelength :-))

Pete

pre 13 godina

The point I'm making miri is that the Americans will abandon you as soon as it's expedient. Your pseudo State is propped up by foreign donations. What do you have that is truly yours. What have you created since 1999 or before, that is genuinely of your own design. What have you contributed to culture, the arts, sport, science, the advancement of humanity. Abusing the Serbs, hating the Serbs won't change those facts. Bad things were done in the name of Serbia. But the Serbs have the guts to admit that and try and move on. You guys live in a state of denial. You've never done anything wrong. Ever. Have you. You also suggest you have no friends, only interests. Well God help you then.
It's for Pete's sake by the way not for the sake of Pete.

luciano

pre 13 godina

The American FBI and CIA knew and know very well that many people in the Pristina administration are criminals but some politicians such as Albright,Clark and Clinton thought it would be swell to befriend them knowing that not too far in the distant future they themseves will need friends who can help them with their organ transplants.They thought it beneficial to have friends in such low places.Getting old is a real bitch my friends.

mauro

pre 13 godina

I am italian and I can assure everybody that mr. Arlacchi is a honest person and top expert in the fight of organized crime. It would be easier for him and his career to say that everything is good in Kosovo but he is not the type of person who says lies to be in good relations with the power(s). so it's sad when I read one reader here saying he's "a clown". True, we have many clowns in Italy but Pino Arlacchi is not one of them

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Felamendarit and chvala mnoga.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 25 February 2011 07:19)

but what's the second one? Hebrew? Chagos Islander? Mongoloid? Does being an American mean never having to say thank you (properly)?
(The Brit, 25 February 2011 10:57)
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Hmm, my guess is it's pig latin for "Chihuahua my dog"?

Je¿ atamañski

pre 13 godina

BTW, am off to the balkans next month, starting right off at pristina's airport. very excited and lots of plans...

Felamendarit and chvala mnoga.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 25 February 2011 07:19)

As usual, nothing learned.

1) FALEMINDERIT
2) HVALA
3) Starting from Pristina airport? Glad, you are that rich. A few times was told, what is the best and what is the second-best way to reach Pristina from San Francisco - it's not the Pristina airport.

Lack of the ability to learn is expensive. There goes $500 (at least). But it is not the biggest loss.

Out of curiosity: there is an other thread, with "rotten Jew" spelled out by our resident Hungaronazi Joe. This is a second within a month, the one on February 7 was priceless. But now Joe "succeed" to smuggle "rohardszki-bibsi " on B92.

Here it is - to everyone's enjoyment:

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=72893

Original thread from February 7 (Roberto mystically missing!)

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=72574

But I think, the more recent is pretty cool, "rohardszki-bibsi " is priceless, with bad Hungarian grammar.

lili

pre 13 godina

So we are,
and then?
Do you really believe that if we were not "terrorist" "maffia state" " criminal" (add all you serbs want to portray us..)you will change your attitude toward us? Of course not,
so why should we care for what you think of us?
the only true thing that is unforgivable for you is that we are ALBANIAN!And you tried for centuries to make us forget this !
And for centuries you failed!
So at the end ,try to be intelligent and stop your vain antialbanian propaganda:you already used this scenario and you did not succed!

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Ok Zoran first you are becoming realistic and accepting Kosovo as a State good.

Kosovo is sure not perfect but give it time...
(Bilbao, 25 February 2011 18:13)
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Of course "Kosova" is a state in the imagination of KiM Albanians with their heads buried in the sand. It's there for all to see.

No, "Kosova" is not perfect and we've been waiting 12 years for improvement but even with international assistance and billions of dollars thrown at it, nothing has changed. It is still a mafia state.

Gjon Shpata

pre 13 godina

I don't claim to know details about Kosovar politicians, but I can say that corruption and organized crime is a big problem in the whole Balkans region, and all of Eastern Europe.

All I can say is that the currently tense political situation favors mafia. The military-mafia structures are still in power and they will be as long as the people need their protection and their strong leadership. Serbia needs to free itself and recognize Kosovo's independence. Until then, we will only have hard-line leaders in the Balkans, because our bigger fear of war makes us tolerate the "smaller" corruption problems of our leaders. We could keep pulling each other down, or we could let prosperity begin in the region. The choice is ours. Gezuar, zhiveli, cheers!

cees

pre 13 godina

Arlacchi also noted that "it is clear everyone knew about ties between Kosovo's leaders and the KLA with organized crime", and repeated his recent statement that Kosovo was a "mafia state".

Reading a piece of journalism like this I am really feeling the pressure to write Mr. Arlacchi if this has happened the way B92 has printed. We read in the article some full quotations and suddenly there is this sentence: "and repeated his recent statement that Kosovo was a "mafia state", with the result that this appears as the header, the most important thing this man has said.
We Serbs may have done horrible atrocities in Kosovo but on the other side you can find some thugs too. That's not real news, because there is no country on the world without corrupted, mafia-like and gangstering people. Why did Amnesty International's demands http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/serbia-must-pursue-others-after-kosovo-murders-conviction-2011-02-24 not reach the lines of B92?

Ataman

pre 13 godina

Jez idiotsky et al... they are not attacking the substance of what you (or I) write they just go in personal insults. 

(ben, 26 February 2011 14:38)

Ben, that was a perfect denouncing of personal insults. As personal insult - you just insulted yourself. Enough to read what you wrote.

Nothing to attack regards the substance what Robert wrote since there isn't any, besides usual horrible grammar, ethnic slander and funny spelling mistakes.

The poor choice of the gateway airport in Balkans is a new thing. You do not know my long, pretty friendly and very one-sided private monologue with Roberto. To describe it:

me: "Roberto, why not join a famous travel site, there are many kind of people there, no poisoned atmosphere like in (guess where) and you can learn a lot of new things. The people are pretty friendly there and it's well-moderated"

Roberto: "Here is my picture with some ladies. They are nice, muslim ladies".

me: "Roberto, what you think about the new worrisome trend in Hungary?"

Roberto: "These Serbian and Russian nationalists are really #!$&&!!!"

me: "Roberto, did you join the travel forum we talked about?"

Roberto: (silence)

Later see the usual thing on B92 from him

me: "Roberto, did you join the travel forum we talked about?"

Roberto: (in few weeks):

"Sorry for silence, I got a dozen or so viruses"

(me: heck, the viruses did not prevent to post an other idiotic comment on B92, but did prevent to join the forum where he can't lecture others...)

And so on.

At one point I just gave up. That guy is impossible to communicate with in any meaningful way. At one point I offered him even my car to go around, BTW.

As for not joining the travel-related forum? Well, he just punished himself with few hundred Dollars, see the wrong gateway.

That's the Roberto-story... Either you go his bizarre way or no way. He is here to teach what he wants one-sidedely and you just can't break his skull. Has really nothing to do with Albanian cause or Bosnian cause he seem to defend or sexual orientation. It's the personality.

I judge it as an extreme form of "teacher syndrome", well-married with "Stockholm syndrome".

Objector

pre 13 godina

Don Makkaroni: "Kosovo is "mafia state"". Thank you, Kosova Police is aware and they are working on it. Just as in every other country in the world, if you have more informations, please provide them to police.
(Ilyrian from Vushtrri, 25 February 2011 11:11)

Ever called and Italian to his face a 'makkaroni' then or do you just make racist slurs behind the anonymity of the internet like a real little coward?

Another one who cannot face the consequences of his own words in the real world. Pathetic.

Toto Riina

pre 13 godina

it is clear ,also everyone knows about ties between Italy's leaders with organized crime,such as "N'drangheta", "sacra Corona Unita", "Camorra" etc.It is clear also that Mafia ,as an organised crime ,was born about 70 in south of Italy.It is also clear to everyone that 5 biggest New York families , such as Luchese,Bonnano,Gotti,Ricciuto(with ties in Montreal)are Italian by origin.Everybody knows,or has heard about Al Capone,Gaetano Badallamenti,Toto Riina,Vito Rizzutto , John Gotti,etc,etc.Do you remember Giovanni Falcone? Do you know what is happening at Napoli???? Corleone is in Italy, it is not in Kosova!Do you guys want more about Italy? Do you know the ties between Andreotti and Mafia???
In Kosova might have organized crime,as in all the rest of the world,but you can't compare it with Italy.Thank you!

Godfather

pre 13 godina

Bonanno, Colombo,Luchese,Genovese,Gambino,Richiutto,Badallamenti,Riina,"Sacra Corona Unita"
Ndranghetta,"Cosa Nostra", "Camorra","Gomorra" Corleone....every 5 years army goes in south to help police to fight organised crime.This is not happening in Kosova.Wander , if this "specialist" knows about this......