Thaci to make Pacolli president

Now, you can see kosovo is not a country. In real countries, the president is elected by the people, not appointed by the prime minister. But the set-up is so phoney, the ambassador from the us won't even mention this fact. This is how a criminal gang works.

Pacolli is the one BND pointed out as being behind the bribing of Martti Ahtisaari. One criminal putting another criminal on the Disneyland throne. How cute.

Kosova History 101: Independence Day Special

The Serbs, or rather their Slav ancestors, poured into the Balkan Peninsula in vast hordes in the sixth and seventh centuries. They overwhelmed the original inhabitant, the Albanian. But though they tried hard, they did not succeed in exterminating him. The original inhabitant, we may almost say, never is exterminated. The Albanian was a peculiarly tough customer. He withdrew to the fastnesses of the mountains, fought with his back to the wall, so to speak, and in defiance of efforts to Serbize him, retained his language and remained persistently attached to the Church of Rome.

Happy Independence Day Kosova!

Oooh. We are supposed to be impressed by the supposed sincerity of this "representative government". Indeed it IS representative, but not of a legitimate, law-abiding demos. Another shining example of meaningful democracy in action! Pfoof! What a joke! (Actually, a travesty!)

Military Doctrine the KLA followed...

Clausewitz:
Superiority of numbers
Concentration of forces
Surprise
Defense has an advantage

People must support
Hit and Run tactics
Provoking reprisals against civilians builds popular support
Wear down will of regime

They fought a "Fourth Generation War"
-Their goal was political not military.
-Organize conflict so as to:
*Peel elites away from regime
*Build international support for insurgency
-"Battles" are P.R.

GOALS OF THE KLA's WAR:
-Defend our families
-Build popular support thru resistence "Slap them in the face" in Drencica
-Avoid annihilation
-Import arms thru Albania thru Dukagjini
-Interfere with lines of supply in Llapi
-Attract international intervention
-Retreat into guerrila warfare during NATO bombing

Folks, the KLA was one of the most successful insurgencies of the post-Cold War era. To the likes of Peggy and others....you dont grasp the concept of "asymmetric warfare". The Kosovars mastered the concept and won. It wouldnt make much sense for the Kosovars to fight how Serbia would want them to fight would it? If you look at the objectives of the Kosovars...they accomplished all of them

That's what the Kosovo-recognition by Sodor Island was about. Hope, Pacolli enjoyed the ride on trains pulled by Thomas, the Tank Engine.

Regardless, congratulation to him and may he be a much better president + have more power than the organic hashish baksheesh crook who calls himself a "PM".

The Kosovars always have the right man for the right job! Before it was Thaci who helped the Kosovars beat Serbia in battle. Now Pacolli is going to subvert and undermine Serbias relationship with Russia and many more countries. Once again an intelligent Kosovar is going to out smart, out maneuver and out fox Serbia. Pacolli talks the talk and walks the walk. Pacolli is a businessman and humanitarian and quite successful at it and speaks fluent Russian unlike his Serbian counterparts. We all know what talks in this world... Money. Russia will sell out Serbia just like they sell out everyone they have ever become "friends" with.

Mabetex which is Pacolli's company was given several important contracts to reconstruct, renovate and refurbish the former Russian Federation Parliament, the Russian Opera House, State Duma and the Moscow Kremlin. I have a feeling that Moscow will take a different approach with My. Pacolli due to his valued work in Moscow. Whats Serbia done for Russia? I know! They sent all of their war criminals to hide like roaches in Russia. Pacolli brings to the table the kind of power each individual Serbian politican doesnt have...wealth, brains and connections. The man is a hero and a real humanitarian. In 2004 he travelled to Afghanistan to free several United Nations workers that were being held hostage. He freed them after 1 month of intense negotiations. If that wasn't enough, two years later he freed a new round of hostages.

What has Vuk done? What has Tadic done? What has Kostunica done? Serbian politicians are only known for their inneffectiveness in fixing Serbia and of being pencil pushers. They cant even "free" their own people and improve living conditions in Serbia let alone hostages in Afghanistan.

This will be the next chapter in Kosovar history that i've been talking about for some time. As I've said many times before... Politics change and so do the politicians. Behgjet Pacolli will be a valuable asset to Kosova and he will be well received by world leaders.

Kosova is bringing out the heavy hitters to which Serbia has no counter to.

Be ready to be checkmated once again Siberia or Serbia...whatever you guys call yourselves! Its all the same:)

Congratulation Serbia you have won. 35% of the Kosovar government is made up of Serbs with the pro Russian president and very doggy uneducated prime minister and his puppet speaker of the parliament. Over 10000 Albanian civilians’ children and women died in vain.

"Now answer me this, do you honestly think that KLA won anything?
Without NATO you would s

BTW, don't try to change the subject. My post was about NATO winning the battle for you not if KLA was all over Kosovo.
(Peggy, 17 February 2011 10:43) "

It's not a matter of winning battles, but of winning the war. Australia was right there with us in Vietnam, don't you remember how we never lost a battle, but ended up losing the war? Everybody else certainly does.

The KLA won the war, using a combination of fighting and diplomatic techniques. You get nowhere by denying the obvious, and do nothing to increase your own credibility.

In any case, Happy Independence Day to the people of Kosovo!

As I've said before, Serbia is its own worst enemy. The current "democratic" leaders are about to be ousted for failing at improving the lives of everyday Serbians.

The protests in Serbia have completely shattered the governments attempt to paint an optimistic picture of Serbia. Teachers and police are on strike: health workers will soon join. Unemployement stands at 19%. The ruling party is fighting amongst themselves.

Now, radical people like Tomislav Nikolic have a voice. Serbia is going back to its roots soon....in voting for the same people like Milosevic, Seselj etc. How will this end for Serbia? The same way that it always does...failure.

Serbia does not know now and never has known how to work together with one another and that is why there will always be turmoil there.

Serbs only know what they are against, but it is less clear about what they are for. Until Serbs can figure out what they are for, they will never accomplish anything.

Kosova on the otherhand is about to be graced with a true leader, Mr. Pacolli. The ship doesnt steer itself which is why its important to have good and effective leaders. Serbia has not had a great leader since................ :)

It's cruel to "liberate" people from colonial rule too quickly - you see the results in Africa and you see them just the same in the Balkans.
(The Brit, 16 February 2011)

...and in some other cases those "liberated" people end up becoming your "daddy".

Uncle Sam says hi mate.

Finally, someone with brains in Kosovo's government.

Finally, someone with brains in Kosovo's government.
(Ian, UK, 15 February 2011 13:43)

Yes, indeed, Pacolli is very clever. End of the "Sodor Recognition" phase, next phase will begin, let us be surprised, what.

Somebody should tell Peggy the number of Serbian soldiers left in Kosova bcs i do not think she is informed correctly. KLA is still all over Kosova and we celebrate the independence on February 17.

Good news for sure when it comes the international relation Kosovo needs to develop. Seems like Pacolli has a lot of connection in the East, so his election will bear some fruit when it comes to further recognition for Kosovo. He should be able to bring in 15-20 recognition this year.

Perhaps he should start the process by asking his wife, the new first lady of Kosovo Maria Pacolli, who is from Saint Petersburg, Russia, to put in a good word to Putin. :)

All you no-albanian-is-good posters should try and take a break from the daily growling.

Who is good for you?

Congratulation Serbia you have won. 35% of the Kosovar government is made up of Serbs with the pro Russian president and very doggy uneducated prime minister and his puppet speaker of the parliament. Over 10000 Albanian civilians’ children and women died in vain.
(Mr Q, 15 February 2011 14:07)

Your comment has betrayed your true ethnicity. You are no Albanian.

Ataman - your sarcasm is 1st class as always.

Ian Uk- not sure who you're confusing Mr Pacolli with..... he may be anything ells but someone with the 'brains' that Kosova needs it now....

Nevertheless---- he may attacked the soviet block to recognise the statehood.

Perhaps he should start the process by asking his wife, the new first lady of Kosovo Maria Pacolli, who is from Saint Petersburg, Russia, to put in a good word to Putin. :)
(BalkanUpdate, 15 February 2011 17:17)
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I doubt Putin has any time for people like his wife.

so his election will bear some fruit when it comes to further recognition for Kosovo. He should be able to bring in 15-20 recognition this year.

Perhaps he should start the process by asking his wife, the new first lady of Kosovo Maria Pacolli, who is from Saint Petersburg, Russia, to put in a good word to Putin. :)
(BalkanUpdate, 15 February 2011 17:17)

re-recognitions: the tail does not wiggle the dog. The recognitions were for the future (now fulfilled) presidency, not the presidency for the recognitions.

re-wife: the tail does not wiggle the dog. The wife owns the "tail" of the man since eternity.

re-Russian wife: ask anyone, who is the boss. Why don't I have a Russian wife? One Russian mom for me is enough to learn the lesson.

Pacolli is the one BND pointed out as being behind the bribing of Martti Ahtisaari - CW?

LINK PLEASE!!

I doubt Putin has any time for people like his wife.
(Peggy, 15 February 2011 21:14)

He actually... does. Do you know, who was contracted to refurbish presidential office in Kremlin and Kremlin itself + the square in front of it?

If you don't: this time I am not joking. But if you go to the personal home page of Pacolli family and browse the pictures you will see that the wand of Pacolli's office is decorated by Kremlin picture.

I doubt Putin has any time for people like his wife.
(Peggy, 15 February 2011 21:14)

Opposing an ideal or the views of a public official is one thing , attcking their spouse , well thats just low. But we dont expect anyhitng different.

You have a nice day now :)

Now, you can see kosovo is not a country. In real countries, the president is elected by the people, not appointed by the prime minister. But the set-up is so phoney, the ambassador from the us won't even mention this fact. This is how a criminal gang works.
(JohnBoy, 15 February 2011 18:42)

Presdinet's post is ceremonial and nothing else. In Serbia , the Oresident calls all the shots and your PM is nothing but a statue. It reimds of Swiss guards at Vatican City.

Ataman,

I'm more than deeply disappointed by your simpleminded comment about the bribing of Ahtisaari. You write:

"I don't recall the link, but this is a common knowledge, too."
(Olli, 16 February 2011 11:16)

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I love the Serbian point of view, Ahtisaari's plan was not what Serbia wanted so he must have been bribed. However, Marty did exactly what Serbia wanted but (so) it was impossible for him to have been bribed?
(pss, 16 February 2011 13:31)


Answer: none has proof. However repeat my experiment. I just googled on

Ahtisaari + bribing + BND keywords

and received over 31000 hits.

Than I googled on

Dick + Marty + bribing + Russia

and received 7560 hits.

Both are up in the air, one seem to be more likely than the other. Let be simple-minded or just simplify the case. According the "common knowledge" the likeliness of Ahtisaari being bribed is about 4 times higher than the likeliness of Dick Marty being bribed.

This closes this part of the case because like with the religion there is nothing to debate about the "likeliness", "probability" or "chances". You can bet on the sickest horse and it still can win, of course.

Of course everyone bets on own horse regardless how sick it is. The numbers above suggest some chances for the horse to win.

RE: Spicoli prediction

As well, one of Pacolli's election promises was that Kosovo will have a UN seat by November 2011.

The only way Kosovo will have a UN seat in November 2011 is being part of Serbia.

Pacolli has not even taken power yet and he is looking more and more like Jeff Spicoli.

That's not nice at all "Agim". Just because he speaks English properly, why does that mean he can't be an Albanian. I think you mustactually be some Serb trying to convince us that Albanians are all thick and uneducated.

# The Kosovars always have the right man for the right job! Before it was Thaci who helped the Kosovars beat Serbia in battle. Now Pacolli is going to subvert and undermine Serbias relationship with Russia and many more countries. Once again an intelligent Kosovar is going to out smart, out maneuver and out fox Serbia. Pacolli talks the talk and walks the walk. Pacolli is a businessman and humanitarian and quite successful at it and speaks fluent Russian unlike his Serbian counterparts. We all know what talks in this world... Money. Russia will sell out Serbia just like they sell out everyone they have ever become "friends" with.
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So much wishful thinking. You Albanians are still claiming that you beat Serbs in battle. Why are you lying to all and yourselves?
The whole world knows that NATO did the job, not you.
As always, you will steal everything you can including the battle.

Pacolli is the one BND pointed out as being behind the bribing of Martti Ahtisaari - CW?

LINK PLEASE!!
(KOSO, 15 February 2011 19:18)

I don't recall the link, but this is a common knowledge, too.

1) Politics is a dirty business. I would say - Martti Ahtisaari was dirtier...
2) No businessman who has a fortune was clean all the time
3) Deng Xiaoping did not care less what color is the cat if it did catch the mouse. That did pay off for China. Let's see, does Pacolli pay off for people of exYU or not. At this moment he is one of the least evil choice, so let's hope.

If it does not work out we will still have chance to complain left and right. For now I am... ok, postponing my complains about Pacolli and want to see the glass half-full.

Presdinet's post is ceremonial and nothing else. In Serbia , the Oresident calls all the shots and your PM is nothing but a statue. It reimds of Swiss guards at Vatican City.
(Agim Kelmendi, 16 February 2011 08:39)

Yes, in quite some countries it is the way as in USA, Serbia, Russia, France: the President is the elected figure and PM (or VP) is kind of #2. Of course in Russia there is now some controversy because the PM is the powerful ex-president.

In Hungary, however is like in Albanian part of Kosovo: PM has the word and the president is largely symbolic.

That could change in both. Orbán is looking to cement is power probably by eying the presidency and increasing the power of the president later by constitution change (and because of 2/3 majority he can do it).

If Pacolli can deliver what he promises ( = jobs for South, jobs for North) - than he will have people behind him to do the same.

Now let's see, what Pacolli is good for - he already proved, he can pull some major reconstruction projects (see Kremlin). Of course, not without black money.

What really Kosovo needs is to refurbish the entire province, clean up the streets and the politics from the rubbish. As for streets and construction: here without slightest doubt Pacolli is the man. Not sure about the politics, here hoping is cheap, costs me nothing.

Ataman,

You used the number of hits you got on those keywords on google, to draw up a theory of the probability of Ahtisaari's and Marty's guilt!? I am stupefied. Very revealing at the same time.

Pacolli does indeed have a lot of connections:

http://tinyurl.com/6evyn85

That's Pacolli with Colonel Gadaffi!

I don't recall the link, but this is a common knowledge, too.

1) Politics is a dirty business. I would say - Martti Ahtisaari was dirtier...
2) No businessman who has a fortune was clean all the time
3) Deng Xiaoping did not care less what color is the cat if it did catch the mouse. That did pay off for China. Let's see, does Pacolli pay off for people of exYU or not. At this moment he is one of the least evil choice, so let's hope.

If it does not work out we will still have chance to complain left and right. For now I am... ok, postponing my complains about Pacolli and want to see the glass half-full.
(Ataman, 15 February 2011 22:42)
I love the Serbian point of view, Ahtisaari's plan was not what Serbia wanted so he must have been bribed. However, Marty did exactly what Serbia wanted but (so) it was impossible for him to have been bribed?

Ataman,

You used the number of hits you got on those keywords on google, to draw up a theory of the probability of Ahtisaari's and Marty's guilt!? I am stupefied. Very revealing at the same time.
(Jetoni, US, 16 February 2011 15:55)

1) Find a better one!
2) Did I ever say I am impartial if it is about politics?
3) I believe what I believe. You can't force me to believe that Ahtisaari is not guilty of being bribed but Dick Marty is guilty unless you prove either beyond doubt. I am not a court and I have my own measures which from your point of view could be fair or not.
4) Relax - no need to be offended if I call certain politicians ugly names. Besides, Ahtisaari is not even Albanian.

If he was bribed by Pacolli - who is more guilty: Pacolli (who allegedly bribed, but never pretended to be impartial and he wasn't set up by a world's authority, U.N.) - or the U.N. envoy who allegedly did a poor job because he accepted the bribe?

Of course, who pays always gets lesser punishment compared with who accepts the bribe.

I don't think this is somewhat we should really debate that much because at this point you won't convince me regarding Dick Marty or Ahtisaari and I won't convince you - and it is not even the topic. All I say, I have nothing against Pacolli even if he - as I believe - did bribe Ahtisaari. This is not a prelude to a new quarrel about Ahtisaari or Dick Marty and I really have no mood to go into one, let's see in few years.

Ataman,


1) I don’t care to find one – that does not stop me from shooting down ridiculous theories such as yours.
2) No, you did not. However, that is already obvious (even common knowledge in these threads) of your stance. Not a secret really, so I do not see why this point matters.
3) This is not about one’s belief. I really do not care what your beliefs are – all I was pointing out that incriminating a person based on how many hits they get on google, is downright pathetic. And no, I cannot prove either of those people’s innocence, since I am not an investigator, even though I do not have to be one to point an accusation based on a ridiculous basis, when I see one. And believe you me, this one is ridiculous, big time.
4) I am quite relaxed, so worry not (this nice local German brewer’s scotch ale is definitely helping in that regard). I am certainly not offended by your terrible choice of metrics in trying to imply culpability of two people, whom I neither like or dislike, or could not possibly care any less for. And their nationality has absolutely nothing to do with anything. If you are trying to throw mud at the wall and see what sticks, I must say that that is disappointing. I would expect more from you.

The rest of the fluff – I just won’t bother with. Too good of a brew and too good of a night to waste any more bandwidth or brain cycles on.

However, we can all rejoice and celebrate to mark the occasion, and you can join me in saying; "Urime 17 shkurti!" :-)

Cheers.

Somebody should tell Peggy the number of Serbian soldiers left in Kosova bcs i do not think she is informed correctly. KLA is still all over Kosova and we celebrate the independence on February 17.
(BLERO, 17 February 2011 02:16)
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Only because NATO allows you to be there.
Now answer me this, do you honestly think that KLA won anything?
Without NATO you would s

BTW, don't try to change the subject. My post was about NATO winning the battle for you not if KLA was all over Kosovo.

Ataman,

I'm more than deeply disappointed by your simpleminded comment about the bribing of Ahtisaari. You write:

"I don't recall the link, but this is a common knowledge, too."

Here's more common knowledge to you:

Serbia alone is guilty of the latest Balkan wars; Serbs butchered 12 thousand Kosovo Albanians; Dick Marty is paid by Moscow and Belgrade.

I wrongly expected you being aware of what common knowledge is, namely arguments that appeal to people no matter are they true or not.

Your comment fell to same category as JohnBoy's comment "In real countries, the president is elected by the people".

According JohnBoy's knowledge Germany, Italy and Greece, for example, are not real countries.

I doubt Putin has any time for people like his wife.
(Peggy, 15 February 2011 21:14)

Opposing an ideal or the views of a public official is one thing , attcking their spouse , well thats just low. But we dont expect anyhitng different.
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What exactly did I say to insult the wife?
I merely pointed out that Putin has no interest in anyone's wife, least of all the one who sleeps with the enemy.

Your comment has betrayed your true ethnicity. You are no Albanian.
(Agim Kelmendi, 15 February 2011 17:15)

That's not nice at all "Agim". Just because he writes English properly, why does that measn he can't be Albanian. I reckon you're just some Serb trying to make us believe that all Albanians are thick and uneducated.

I love the Serbian point of view, Ahtisaari's plan was not what Serbia wanted so he must have been bribed. However, Marty did exactly what Serbia wanted but (so) it was impossible for him to have been bribed?
(pss, 16 February 2011 13:31)

It's not the Serbian point of view, it's the Balkan point of view. Remember all those Albanian simpletons queueing up to tell us that Marty had been bribed by Russia, Serbia, even that anti-independence conspirator Switzerland? (obviously, the Kosovan government, being sophisticated diplomatic types, put it down to "Nazi propaganda" instead, ho ho)

Poor sad creatures, bribery's the only motivation you understand, isn't it? Principle? Even pragmatism? Nah, you can't eat it, mate. It's cruel to "liberate" people from colonial rule too quickly - you see the results in Africa and you see them just the same in the Balkans.

"It's cruel to "liberate" people from colonial rule too quickly - you see the results in Africa and you see them just the same in the Balkans."
(The Brit, 16 February 2011 15:14)

Oh, what we have here is a perfectly preserved specimen of 18th-19th century Brit. Notice the self-complacent rubbish that comes out of his mouth. Notice his division of the world into Brits and animals. Notice his "sorrow" for the animals. Notice the double quotes he uses on the word "liberate", when he tries to be sarcastic. This species of 18th century Brit is almost extinct today but you can still find it in forums online mingling with those he despises in a sort of "I'm so naughty" way.

(Ataman, 16 February 2011 14:51)
While I cannot see the reliability of your experiment you are missing one big flaw.
You are comparing 2 months of allegations for Marty to over 3 years of allegations against Ahtisaari. So if you wanted to compare the hits accurately you would multiply 18 times Marty's hits which would give youover 136,000 hits compared to Ahtisaari's 31,000.
However that would not be accurate either, to use your method you would have to compare the first 2 months of Marty to the first to months of Ahtisaari.
Even then it would prove pretty much nothing, so in reality your research was not even worth your time.

Thanks, Ataman

It's good to know that you base your views on belief. Adding your comments to irrelevant category makes reading of these pages a lot faster.

You have no need to explain. You have all rights to believe in anything you want.

Peggy I really admire your patriotizem for your nation and have nothing against that.But you have to learn about reality in the ground and learn how to exept that.B92 shoud put the whole text not only part of it like they did few times before this one.This tells you that you are not correctly informed as European.

Opposing an ideal or the views of a public official is one thing , attcking their spouse , well thats just low. But we dont expect anyhitng different.

You have a nice day now :)
(truthiness, 16 February 2011 01:01)

It is interesting to observe, some politicians we love to hate have actually very nice "better part" - and here "better" is really better. Not much is spoken about Ms. Çeku who is Serbian. Not much about Ms. Orbán either - but the few things I heard about her are all pretty nice.

Now there is ONE SINGLE exception to the case where husband is rotten and his wife is even more, hell waits for them impatiently. Hint: he was a president of a major country and she is in charge of the foreign politics of the same country now.

Marty has been bribed, Ahtissari has been bribed - the full program of a conspiracy theory. Guys, these men are honorable people and cannot be bribed that easily. It's not like with politicians in Kosovo, or, to some extent, Serbia. The only politicians Pacclli bribed are the ones from corrupt African kingdoms or tropical island states. And you don't even need to find proof for it: Pacolli was so proud of having 'lobbied' these recognitions that he was bragging about it in public.

least of all the one who sleeps with the enemy.
(Peggy, 16 February 2011 12:00)

Hehe, things aren't that simple.

http://tinyurl.com/5uw7wdy

RE: Spicoli prediction

As well, one of Pacolli's election promises was that Kosovo will have a UN seat by November 2011.

They have 1, http://www.un.org.rs/

It's not a matter of winning battles, but of winning the war. Australia was right there with us in Vietnam, don't you remember how we never lost a battle, but ended up losing the war? Everybody else certainly does
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The war is not over yet. Serbia has plenty of time to win this one.
Yes, I do know all about the wars the US has started by not managed to win.
Not one war since WW2 has America managed to win. Perhaps winning the war is not important to them. What is important is that they cause trouble and suffering and the longer it goes on the more they benefit.

You are just another profitable venture to them.

Finally, someone with brains in Kosovo's government.

Congratulation Serbia you have won. 35% of the Kosovar government is made up of Serbs with the pro Russian president and very doggy uneducated prime minister and his puppet speaker of the parliament. Over 10000 Albanian civilians’ children and women died in vain.

That's what the Kosovo-recognition by Sodor Island was about. Hope, Pacolli enjoyed the ride on trains pulled by Thomas, the Tank Engine.

Regardless, congratulation to him and may he be a much better president + have more power than the organic hashish baksheesh crook who calls himself a "PM".

Congratulation Serbia you have won. 35% of the Kosovar government is made up of Serbs with the pro Russian president and very doggy uneducated prime minister and his puppet speaker of the parliament. Over 10000 Albanian civilians’ children and women died in vain.
(Mr Q, 15 February 2011 14:07)

Your comment has betrayed your true ethnicity. You are no Albanian.

Somebody should tell Peggy the number of Serbian soldiers left in Kosova bcs i do not think she is informed correctly. KLA is still all over Kosova and we celebrate the independence on February 17.
(BLERO, 17 February 2011 02:16)
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Only because NATO allows you to be there.
Now answer me this, do you honestly think that KLA won anything?
Without NATO you would s

BTW, don't try to change the subject. My post was about NATO winning the battle for you not if KLA was all over Kosovo.

# The Kosovars always have the right man for the right job! Before it was Thaci who helped the Kosovars beat Serbia in battle. Now Pacolli is going to subvert and undermine Serbias relationship with Russia and many more countries. Once again an intelligent Kosovar is going to out smart, out maneuver and out fox Serbia. Pacolli talks the talk and walks the walk. Pacolli is a businessman and humanitarian and quite successful at it and speaks fluent Russian unlike his Serbian counterparts. We all know what talks in this world... Money. Russia will sell out Serbia just like they sell out everyone they have ever become "friends" with.
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So much wishful thinking. You Albanians are still claiming that you beat Serbs in battle. Why are you lying to all and yourselves?
The whole world knows that NATO did the job, not you.
As always, you will steal everything you can including the battle.

Pacolli is the one BND pointed out as being behind the bribing of Martti Ahtisaari. One criminal putting another criminal on the Disneyland throne. How cute.

Good news for sure when it comes the international relation Kosovo needs to develop. Seems like Pacolli has a lot of connection in the East, so his election will bear some fruit when it comes to further recognition for Kosovo. He should be able to bring in 15-20 recognition this year.

Perhaps he should start the process by asking his wife, the new first lady of Kosovo Maria Pacolli, who is from Saint Petersburg, Russia, to put in a good word to Putin. :)

I love the Serbian point of view, Ahtisaari's plan was not what Serbia wanted so he must have been bribed. However, Marty did exactly what Serbia wanted but (so) it was impossible for him to have been bribed?
(pss, 16 February 2011 13:31)

It's not the Serbian point of view, it's the Balkan point of view. Remember all those Albanian simpletons queueing up to tell us that Marty had been bribed by Russia, Serbia, even that anti-independence conspirator Switzerland? (obviously, the Kosovan government, being sophisticated diplomatic types, put it down to "Nazi propaganda" instead, ho ho)

Poor sad creatures, bribery's the only motivation you understand, isn't it? Principle? Even pragmatism? Nah, you can't eat it, mate. It's cruel to "liberate" people from colonial rule too quickly - you see the results in Africa and you see them just the same in the Balkans.

Oooh. We are supposed to be impressed by the supposed sincerity of this "representative government". Indeed it IS representative, but not of a legitimate, law-abiding demos. Another shining example of meaningful democracy in action! Pfoof! What a joke! (Actually, a travesty!)

Now, you can see kosovo is not a country. In real countries, the president is elected by the people, not appointed by the prime minister. But the set-up is so phoney, the ambassador from the us won't even mention this fact. This is how a criminal gang works.

Your comment has betrayed your true ethnicity. You are no Albanian.
(Agim Kelmendi, 15 February 2011 17:15)

That's not nice at all "Agim". Just because he writes English properly, why does that measn he can't be Albanian. I reckon you're just some Serb trying to make us believe that all Albanians are thick and uneducated.

That's not nice at all "Agim". Just because he speaks English properly, why does that mean he can't be an Albanian. I think you mustactually be some Serb trying to convince us that Albanians are all thick and uneducated.

All you no-albanian-is-good posters should try and take a break from the daily growling.

Who is good for you?

The Kosovars always have the right man for the right job! Before it was Thaci who helped the Kosovars beat Serbia in battle. Now Pacolli is going to subvert and undermine Serbias relationship with Russia and many more countries. Once again an intelligent Kosovar is going to out smart, out maneuver and out fox Serbia. Pacolli talks the talk and walks the walk. Pacolli is a businessman and humanitarian and quite successful at it and speaks fluent Russian unlike his Serbian counterparts. We all know what talks in this world... Money. Russia will sell out Serbia just like they sell out everyone they have ever become "friends" with.

Mabetex which is Pacolli's company was given several important contracts to reconstruct, renovate and refurbish the former Russian Federation Parliament, the Russian Opera House, State Duma and the Moscow Kremlin. I have a feeling that Moscow will take a different approach with My. Pacolli due to his valued work in Moscow. Whats Serbia done for Russia? I know! They sent all of their war criminals to hide like roaches in Russia. Pacolli brings to the table the kind of power each individual Serbian politican doesnt have...wealth, brains and connections. The man is a hero and a real humanitarian. In 2004 he travelled to Afghanistan to free several United Nations workers that were being held hostage. He freed them after 1 month of intense negotiations. If that wasn't enough, two years later he freed a new round of hostages.

What has Vuk done? What has Tadic done? What has Kostunica done? Serbian politicians are only known for their inneffectiveness in fixing Serbia and of being pencil pushers. They cant even "free" their own people and improve living conditions in Serbia let alone hostages in Afghanistan.

This will be the next chapter in Kosovar history that i've been talking about for some time. As I've said many times before... Politics change and so do the politicians. Behgjet Pacolli will be a valuable asset to Kosova and he will be well received by world leaders.

Kosova is bringing out the heavy hitters to which Serbia has no counter to.

Be ready to be checkmated once again Siberia or Serbia...whatever you guys call yourselves! Its all the same:)

Military Doctrine the KLA followed...

Clausewitz:
Superiority of numbers
Concentration of forces
Surprise
Defense has an advantage

People must support
Hit and Run tactics
Provoking reprisals against civilians builds popular support
Wear down will of regime

They fought a "Fourth Generation War"
-Their goal was political not military.
-Organize conflict so as to:
*Peel elites away from regime
*Build international support for insurgency
-"Battles" are P.R.

GOALS OF THE KLA's WAR:
-Defend our families
-Build popular support thru resistence "Slap them in the face" in Drencica
-Avoid annihilation
-Import arms thru Albania thru Dukagjini
-Interfere with lines of supply in Llapi
-Attract international intervention
-Retreat into guerrila warfare during NATO bombing

Folks, the KLA was one of the most successful insurgencies of the post-Cold War era. To the likes of Peggy and others....you dont grasp the concept of "asymmetric warfare". The Kosovars mastered the concept and won. It wouldnt make much sense for the Kosovars to fight how Serbia would want them to fight would it? If you look at the objectives of the Kosovars...they accomplished all of them

Ataman - your sarcasm is 1st class as always.

Ian Uk- not sure who you're confusing Mr Pacolli with..... he may be anything ells but someone with the 'brains' that Kosova needs it now....

Nevertheless---- he may attacked the soviet block to recognise the statehood.

Pacolli is the one BND pointed out as being behind the bribing of Martti Ahtisaari - CW?

LINK PLEASE!!

Finally, someone with brains in Kosovo's government.
(Ian, UK, 15 February 2011 13:43)

Yes, indeed, Pacolli is very clever. End of the "Sodor Recognition" phase, next phase will begin, let us be surprised, what.

Now, you can see kosovo is not a country. In real countries, the president is elected by the people, not appointed by the prime minister. But the set-up is so phoney, the ambassador from the us won't even mention this fact. This is how a criminal gang works.
(JohnBoy, 15 February 2011 18:42)

Presdinet's post is ceremonial and nothing else. In Serbia , the Oresident calls all the shots and your PM is nothing but a statue. It reimds of Swiss guards at Vatican City.

As I've said before, Serbia is its own worst enemy. The current "democratic" leaders are about to be ousted for failing at improving the lives of everyday Serbians.

The protests in Serbia have completely shattered the governments attempt to paint an optimistic picture of Serbia. Teachers and police are on strike: health workers will soon join. Unemployement stands at 19%. The ruling party is fighting amongst themselves.

Now, radical people like Tomislav Nikolic have a voice. Serbia is going back to its roots soon....in voting for the same people like Milosevic, Seselj etc. How will this end for Serbia? The same way that it always does...failure.

Serbia does not know now and never has known how to work together with one another and that is why there will always be turmoil there.

Serbs only know what they are against, but it is less clear about what they are for. Until Serbs can figure out what they are for, they will never accomplish anything.

Kosova on the otherhand is about to be graced with a true leader, Mr. Pacolli. The ship doesnt steer itself which is why its important to have good and effective leaders. Serbia has not had a great leader since................ :)

I doubt Putin has any time for people like his wife.
(Peggy, 15 February 2011 21:14)

Opposing an ideal or the views of a public official is one thing , attcking their spouse , well thats just low. But we dont expect anyhitng different.
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What exactly did I say to insult the wife?
I merely pointed out that Putin has no interest in anyone's wife, least of all the one who sleeps with the enemy.

so his election will bear some fruit when it comes to further recognition for Kosovo. He should be able to bring in 15-20 recognition this year.

Perhaps he should start the process by asking his wife, the new first lady of Kosovo Maria Pacolli, who is from Saint Petersburg, Russia, to put in a good word to Putin. :)
(BalkanUpdate, 15 February 2011 17:17)

re-recognitions: the tail does not wiggle the dog. The recognitions were for the future (now fulfilled) presidency, not the presidency for the recognitions.

re-wife: the tail does not wiggle the dog. The wife owns the "tail" of the man since eternity.

re-Russian wife: ask anyone, who is the boss. Why don't I have a Russian wife? One Russian mom for me is enough to learn the lesson.

Perhaps he should start the process by asking his wife, the new first lady of Kosovo Maria Pacolli, who is from Saint Petersburg, Russia, to put in a good word to Putin. :)
(BalkanUpdate, 15 February 2011 17:17)
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I doubt Putin has any time for people like his wife.

Marty has been bribed, Ahtissari has been bribed - the full program of a conspiracy theory. Guys, these men are honorable people and cannot be bribed that easily. It's not like with politicians in Kosovo, or, to some extent, Serbia. The only politicians Pacclli bribed are the ones from corrupt African kingdoms or tropical island states. And you don't even need to find proof for it: Pacolli was so proud of having 'lobbied' these recognitions that he was bragging about it in public.

Ataman,

You used the number of hits you got on those keywords on google, to draw up a theory of the probability of Ahtisaari's and Marty's guilt!? I am stupefied. Very revealing at the same time.
(Jetoni, US, 16 February 2011 15:55)

1) Find a better one!
2) Did I ever say I am impartial if it is about politics?
3) I believe what I believe. You can't force me to believe that Ahtisaari is not guilty of being bribed but Dick Marty is guilty unless you prove either beyond doubt. I am not a court and I have my own measures which from your point of view could be fair or not.
4) Relax - no need to be offended if I call certain politicians ugly names. Besides, Ahtisaari is not even Albanian.

If he was bribed by Pacolli - who is more guilty: Pacolli (who allegedly bribed, but never pretended to be impartial and he wasn't set up by a world's authority, U.N.) - or the U.N. envoy who allegedly did a poor job because he accepted the bribe?

Of course, who pays always gets lesser punishment compared with who accepts the bribe.

I don't think this is somewhat we should really debate that much because at this point you won't convince me regarding Dick Marty or Ahtisaari and I won't convince you - and it is not even the topic. All I say, I have nothing against Pacolli even if he - as I believe - did bribe Ahtisaari. This is not a prelude to a new quarrel about Ahtisaari or Dick Marty and I really have no mood to go into one, let's see in few years.

Kosova History 101: Independence Day Special

The Serbs, or rather their Slav ancestors, poured into the Balkan Peninsula in vast hordes in the sixth and seventh centuries. They overwhelmed the original inhabitant, the Albanian. But though they tried hard, they did not succeed in exterminating him. The original inhabitant, we may almost say, never is exterminated. The Albanian was a peculiarly tough customer. He withdrew to the fastnesses of the mountains, fought with his back to the wall, so to speak, and in defiance of efforts to Serbize him, retained his language and remained persistently attached to the Church of Rome.

Happy Independence Day Kosova!

Ataman,

I'm more than deeply disappointed by your simpleminded comment about the bribing of Ahtisaari. You write:

"I don't recall the link, but this is a common knowledge, too."
(Olli, 16 February 2011 11:16)

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I love the Serbian point of view, Ahtisaari's plan was not what Serbia wanted so he must have been bribed. However, Marty did exactly what Serbia wanted but (so) it was impossible for him to have been bribed?
(pss, 16 February 2011 13:31)


Answer: none has proof. However repeat my experiment. I just googled on

Ahtisaari + bribing + BND keywords

and received over 31000 hits.

Than I googled on

Dick + Marty + bribing + Russia

and received 7560 hits.

Both are up in the air, one seem to be more likely than the other. Let be simple-minded or just simplify the case. According the "common knowledge" the likeliness of Ahtisaari being bribed is about 4 times higher than the likeliness of Dick Marty being bribed.

This closes this part of the case because like with the religion there is nothing to debate about the "likeliness", "probability" or "chances". You can bet on the sickest horse and it still can win, of course.

Of course everyone bets on own horse regardless how sick it is. The numbers above suggest some chances for the horse to win.

RE: Spicoli prediction

As well, one of Pacolli's election promises was that Kosovo will have a UN seat by November 2011.

The only way Kosovo will have a UN seat in November 2011 is being part of Serbia.

Pacolli has not even taken power yet and he is looking more and more like Jeff Spicoli.

"Now answer me this, do you honestly think that KLA won anything?
Without NATO you would s

BTW, don't try to change the subject. My post was about NATO winning the battle for you not if KLA was all over Kosovo.
(Peggy, 17 February 2011 10:43) "

It's not a matter of winning battles, but of winning the war. Australia was right there with us in Vietnam, don't you remember how we never lost a battle, but ended up losing the war? Everybody else certainly does.

The KLA won the war, using a combination of fighting and diplomatic techniques. You get nowhere by denying the obvious, and do nothing to increase your own credibility.

In any case, Happy Independence Day to the people of Kosovo!

I doubt Putin has any time for people like his wife.
(Peggy, 15 February 2011 21:14)

Opposing an ideal or the views of a public official is one thing , attcking their spouse , well thats just low. But we dont expect anyhitng different.

You have a nice day now :)

(Ataman, 16 February 2011 14:51)
While I cannot see the reliability of your experiment you are missing one big flaw.
You are comparing 2 months of allegations for Marty to over 3 years of allegations against Ahtisaari. So if you wanted to compare the hits accurately you would multiply 18 times Marty's hits which would give youover 136,000 hits compared to Ahtisaari's 31,000.
However that would not be accurate either, to use your method you would have to compare the first 2 months of Marty to the first to months of Ahtisaari.
Even then it would prove pretty much nothing, so in reality your research was not even worth your time.

Somebody should tell Peggy the number of Serbian soldiers left in Kosova bcs i do not think she is informed correctly. KLA is still all over Kosova and we celebrate the independence on February 17.

Peggy I really admire your patriotizem for your nation and have nothing against that.But you have to learn about reality in the ground and learn how to exept that.B92 shoud put the whole text not only part of it like they did few times before this one.This tells you that you are not correctly informed as European.

Pacolli is the one BND pointed out as being behind the bribing of Martti Ahtisaari - CW?

LINK PLEASE!!
(KOSO, 15 February 2011 19:18)

I don't recall the link, but this is a common knowledge, too.

1) Politics is a dirty business. I would say - Martti Ahtisaari was dirtier...
2) No businessman who has a fortune was clean all the time
3) Deng Xiaoping did not care less what color is the cat if it did catch the mouse. That did pay off for China. Let's see, does Pacolli pay off for people of exYU or not. At this moment he is one of the least evil choice, so let's hope.

If it does not work out we will still have chance to complain left and right. For now I am... ok, postponing my complains about Pacolli and want to see the glass half-full.

Opposing an ideal or the views of a public official is one thing , attcking their spouse , well thats just low. But we dont expect anyhitng different.

You have a nice day now :)
(truthiness, 16 February 2011 01:01)

It is interesting to observe, some politicians we love to hate have actually very nice "better part" - and here "better" is really better. Not much is spoken about Ms. Çeku who is Serbian. Not much about Ms. Orbán either - but the few things I heard about her are all pretty nice.

Now there is ONE SINGLE exception to the case where husband is rotten and his wife is even more, hell waits for them impatiently. Hint: he was a president of a major country and she is in charge of the foreign politics of the same country now.

Ataman,

You used the number of hits you got on those keywords on google, to draw up a theory of the probability of Ahtisaari's and Marty's guilt!? I am stupefied. Very revealing at the same time.

least of all the one who sleeps with the enemy.
(Peggy, 16 February 2011 12:00)

Hehe, things aren't that simple.

http://tinyurl.com/5uw7wdy

Ataman,


1) I don’t care to find one – that does not stop me from shooting down ridiculous theories such as yours.
2) No, you did not. However, that is already obvious (even common knowledge in these threads) of your stance. Not a secret really, so I do not see why this point matters.
3) This is not about one’s belief. I really do not care what your beliefs are – all I was pointing out that incriminating a person based on how many hits they get on google, is downright pathetic. And no, I cannot prove either of those people’s innocence, since I am not an investigator, even though I do not have to be one to point an accusation based on a ridiculous basis, when I see one. And believe you me, this one is ridiculous, big time.
4) I am quite relaxed, so worry not (this nice local German brewer’s scotch ale is definitely helping in that regard). I am certainly not offended by your terrible choice of metrics in trying to imply culpability of two people, whom I neither like or dislike, or could not possibly care any less for. And their nationality has absolutely nothing to do with anything. If you are trying to throw mud at the wall and see what sticks, I must say that that is disappointing. I would expect more from you.

The rest of the fluff – I just won’t bother with. Too good of a brew and too good of a night to waste any more bandwidth or brain cycles on.

However, we can all rejoice and celebrate to mark the occasion, and you can join me in saying; "Urime 17 shkurti!" :-)

Cheers.

I doubt Putin has any time for people like his wife.
(Peggy, 15 February 2011 21:14)

He actually... does. Do you know, who was contracted to refurbish presidential office in Kremlin and Kremlin itself + the square in front of it?

If you don't: this time I am not joking. But if you go to the personal home page of Pacolli family and browse the pictures you will see that the wand of Pacolli's office is decorated by Kremlin picture.

Ataman,

I'm more than deeply disappointed by your simpleminded comment about the bribing of Ahtisaari. You write:

"I don't recall the link, but this is a common knowledge, too."

Here's more common knowledge to you:

Serbia alone is guilty of the latest Balkan wars; Serbs butchered 12 thousand Kosovo Albanians; Dick Marty is paid by Moscow and Belgrade.

I wrongly expected you being aware of what common knowledge is, namely arguments that appeal to people no matter are they true or not.

Your comment fell to same category as JohnBoy's comment "In real countries, the president is elected by the people".

According JohnBoy's knowledge Germany, Italy and Greece, for example, are not real countries.

I don't recall the link, but this is a common knowledge, too.

1) Politics is a dirty business. I would say - Martti Ahtisaari was dirtier...
2) No businessman who has a fortune was clean all the time
3) Deng Xiaoping did not care less what color is the cat if it did catch the mouse. That did pay off for China. Let's see, does Pacolli pay off for people of exYU or not. At this moment he is one of the least evil choice, so let's hope.

If it does not work out we will still have chance to complain left and right. For now I am... ok, postponing my complains about Pacolli and want to see the glass half-full.
(Ataman, 15 February 2011 22:42)
I love the Serbian point of view, Ahtisaari's plan was not what Serbia wanted so he must have been bribed. However, Marty did exactly what Serbia wanted but (so) it was impossible for him to have been bribed?

Presdinet's post is ceremonial and nothing else. In Serbia , the Oresident calls all the shots and your PM is nothing but a statue. It reimds of Swiss guards at Vatican City.
(Agim Kelmendi, 16 February 2011 08:39)

Yes, in quite some countries it is the way as in USA, Serbia, Russia, France: the President is the elected figure and PM (or VP) is kind of #2. Of course in Russia there is now some controversy because the PM is the powerful ex-president.

In Hungary, however is like in Albanian part of Kosovo: PM has the word and the president is largely symbolic.

That could change in both. Orbán is looking to cement is power probably by eying the presidency and increasing the power of the president later by constitution change (and because of 2/3 majority he can do it).

If Pacolli can deliver what he promises ( = jobs for South, jobs for North) - than he will have people behind him to do the same.

Now let's see, what Pacolli is good for - he already proved, he can pull some major reconstruction projects (see Kremlin). Of course, not without black money.

What really Kosovo needs is to refurbish the entire province, clean up the streets and the politics from the rubbish. As for streets and construction: here without slightest doubt Pacolli is the man. Not sure about the politics, here hoping is cheap, costs me nothing.

"It's cruel to "liberate" people from colonial rule too quickly - you see the results in Africa and you see them just the same in the Balkans."
(The Brit, 16 February 2011 15:14)

Oh, what we have here is a perfectly preserved specimen of 18th-19th century Brit. Notice the self-complacent rubbish that comes out of his mouth. Notice his division of the world into Brits and animals. Notice his "sorrow" for the animals. Notice the double quotes he uses on the word "liberate", when he tries to be sarcastic. This species of 18th century Brit is almost extinct today but you can still find it in forums online mingling with those he despises in a sort of "I'm so naughty" way.

Thanks, Ataman

It's good to know that you base your views on belief. Adding your comments to irrelevant category makes reading of these pages a lot faster.

You have no need to explain. You have all rights to believe in anything you want.

RE: Spicoli prediction

As well, one of Pacolli's election promises was that Kosovo will have a UN seat by November 2011.

They have 1, http://www.un.org.rs/

It's cruel to "liberate" people from colonial rule too quickly - you see the results in Africa and you see them just the same in the Balkans.
(The Brit, 16 February 2011)

...and in some other cases those "liberated" people end up becoming your "daddy".

Uncle Sam says hi mate.

Pacolli does indeed have a lot of connections:

http://tinyurl.com/6evyn85

That's Pacolli with Colonel Gadaffi!

It's not a matter of winning battles, but of winning the war. Australia was right there with us in Vietnam, don't you remember how we never lost a battle, but ended up losing the war? Everybody else certainly does
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The war is not over yet. Serbia has plenty of time to win this one.
Yes, I do know all about the wars the US has started by not managed to win.
Not one war since WW2 has America managed to win. Perhaps winning the war is not important to them. What is important is that they cause trouble and suffering and the longer it goes on the more they benefit.

You are just another profitable venture to them.