Defense minister visits USS Enterprise

Serbs fought with Croats and Slovenians. Aren't they Christians? So religion to Serbs is important only for propaganda reasons.
(ivan, 6 February 2011 22:39)

and Croats & Slovenians in the JNA fought Croats & Slovenian separatists.

so what is your point?

"Good, Sutanovac and his crew are honored guests of US machinery that bombed Serbia.
(Agim Kelmendi, 6 February 2011 15:43)"

They have no honor, no clue, and no respect. This is the same US war machine that has been bombing your Muslim brothers and sisters for many years, but for some reason you do not like to mentoin that fact. Oops I forgot, Albanians only care about others if they do something for them and if being a Muslim is in your advantage. You see Agim, the US only dares to attack smaller and weaker countries, which is the true characteristic of a coward. The same kind of cowardness that the KLA displayed when they were running for Albania as soon as they had to face some real soldiers and not unarmed civilians or lightly armed police. Only after the Yugoslav army had retreated from Kosovo they came back "triumphant".

Agim said 'I am Albanian first and religion is my second thing. I can always change the religion, ...'

Well Agim, this why you are albanian and I am Serbian. We Serbs don't change our religion for money or better benefits or for paying less tax, etc. We have this thing called pride and honour, which you have no clue about, and never will.
Cheers!

Did he meet Commander Kirk? Or Mr. Spok? Or Captain Picard? :)

Before the Albanians and Lenard wet their pants over Sutanovac visiting the US don’t get too hot over it. Remember that the US aircraft and not the Serbs killed 10 000 Albanians during the Kosovo war. Sutanovac is a western-paid stooge, but you do notice that after 12 years nothing has changed for Kosovo and that’s even with US support.
Shows you who is the real boss in the region; doesn’t it?

@Milan,
I don't have muslim brothers and sisters. I am Albanian first and religion is my second thing. I can always change the religion, but I can never change what I am, and that is Albanian born. Albanians are beleivers of three main religions; Roman Catholic, Muslim and Orthodox(not Serb orthodox), and religion was never an issue amongst Albanians, since our relion is Albanianism. Sorry, for little lecture on this issue, since you brought it up. Your military elite has sold its soul to the big US of A, and there is nothing you can do about it.

Good, Sutanovac and his crew are honored guests of US machinery that bombed Serbia.

Good, Sutanovac and his crew are honored guests of US machinery that bombed Serbia.
(Agim Kelmendi, 6 February 2011 15:43)
--
You do have a point. The sell-outs do get tours of the most advanced US hardware but they can't ignore Russia either. Both seem to be playing a game of tug-of-war over Serbia so there must be something of value there.

Just wondering, what do Albanians get to tour? The front lines of Afghanistan? Hmm, there doesn't seem to be much value there unless you consider cannon fodder valuable.

"(Milan)" For some reason you and others just dont get it!! When did the Albanians came to this site to proclaim that they are muslims or any other religion?, I would say never.. We are Albanians first and foremost, then everyone is free to belive in whatever they want, if you have a problem with that, It is not the Albanians fault.. Your in no position to tell as who our brothers are!!?? do me a favour! show that you do have a brain on your next post.. thank you

Denis,
You completely missed the point, as usual. Serbs are not subservient, but are a free and independent people. Just look at our histry. Your people, on the other hand, have a very subservient past and present, and love to lick the boots of whoever is the major power at the time. This is why you are where you are, and will always remain there.

Kelmendi states that the Serb elite have sold their souls to the big USofA. Perhaps he has a point. However he and his chums fail to understand that although the current Serb leaders dance to the American tune, the Serbian people are a different proposition. Unlike the Albanians. And there's the rub. You either have a traditionally subservient mentality or you don't. From the Turks, to the Germans, to the Americans you tag along and hope to collect a few scraps from your masters table. In 1914 the Serbs were alone. In 1941 they were alone. And recently they've had to endure everything alone. And yes they were punished but hard. But you know what, they still have their pride. Can you look in the mirror and say the same of yourselves?

Did he meet Commander Kirk? Or Mr. Spok? Or Captain Picard? :)
(Top, 6 February 2011 14:32)

Yes, Mr Sutanovac did meet Capt. Kirk, Mr Spock and Captain Picard. They advised our Defence Minister of what do in case the Illyrians attack. After the meeting, Mr. Scott beemed the Serbian delegation back down to Earth.

"... not unarmed civilians or lightly armed police. ...

(Milan, 6 February 2011 16:28) "

So what was the JNA - a potted plant?

I'm astonished that there are Albanians crowing over this. Your one and only significant sponsor - you remember, the sponsor who, as soon as they lose interest, will bring about the instant collapse of your state - is courting Sutanovac, not Ceku. Ask yourself why that would be - this does not promise anything good for "Kosova", trust me.

By the same token, some of the dimmer Serb nationalists ought to wake up to the fact that Kosmet will be won back diplomatically, something at which your leaders are considerably more gifted than the K Albs. Sitting at home sulking may appeal to a sense of national victimhood, but it won't get Kosovo back.
Such initiatives may be distasteful, but they are also effective.

Has the Serbian Defence Minister any shame left in him at all?
Visiting such an instrument of US aggression is not only stupid but is also a downright insult to the Serbian victims of the US led Nato aggression against the Serbs since the early 90s.
Disgraceful !

MB,Ireland

"Yes, Mr Sutanovac did meet Capt. Kirk, Mr Spock and Captain Picard. They advised our Defence Minister of what do in case the Illyrians attack. After the meeting, Mr. Scott beemed the Serbian delegation back down to Earth.
(Janez-Beograd, 7 February 2011 11:04) "

They advised him to surrender immediately - resistance is futile.

So what was the JNA - a potted plant?
(Amer, 6 February 2011 19:30) It was communist Serb criminal army only good at butchering unarmed civilians.

"(Dragan)" And that is why your type are called religious fanatics, just like your muslim brothers!.. Am proud to say that We Albanians dont suffer from that illness...

We have this thing called pride and honour, which you have no clue about, and never will.
Cheers!
(Dragan, 6 February 2011 20:52)

Your religion is your pride and honor?

Maybe Albanians do not need a religion to build their identity, rather they have considered it as a means to an end, as a tool of survival. I think the very fact that a small nation survived culturaly for thousands of years amongst influences such as those of greek, latin, italian, oriental and slavic cultures demands respect.

If religion defines you as a Serb, so be it. But we dont use the same standard of measure....

You can dump them all in the gutter as far as I am concerned. My loyalty is to my identity not to a dogma of whatever form and origin that might be.

They have no honor, no clue, and no respect. This is the same US war machine that has been bombing your Muslim brothers and sisters for many years, but for some reason you do not like to mentoin that fact. Oops I forgot, Albanians only care about others if they do something for them and if being a Muslim is in your advantage. You see Agim, the US only dares to attack smaller and weaker countries, which is the true characteristic of a coward. The same kind of cowardness that the KLA displayed when they were running for Albania as soon as they had to face some real soldiers and not unarmed civilians or lightly armed police. Only after the Yugoslav army had retreated from Kosovo they came back "triumphant".
(Milan, 6 February 2011 16:28)

Serbs fought with Croats and Slovenians. Aren't they Christians? So religion to Serbs is important only for propaganda reasons.

Do you remember this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE

http://www.quantumnow.com/trek/lyrics.html

"Starship Captain, James T. Kirk:
Ah! We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill;
we come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, men."

Obviously that what ever defence minister do is not Serbian people choice and because of that his governament is going to go by -by very soon.

Denis,
You completely missed the point, as usual. Serbs are not subservient, but are a free and independent people. Just look at our histry. Your people, on the other hand, have a very subservient past and present, and love to lick the boots of whoever is the major power at the time. This is why you are where you are, and will always remain there.
(Dragan, 8 February 2011 15:29)

Yeah, Albanians are subservient, cause this is the Serbian point of view. Water is wet too. If we were subservient, then how come we did not assimilate?

You meassure your freedom and liberty by the loyalty you have to your religion, which is not even an authentic culture for you .... this is how free and un-subjugated you are.

What you forget to mention is that while you are part of a large ethnic group, slavs and your mother Russia was always there for you, Albanians are not, and none ever backed them up due to cultural or ethnic affiliation.

What you forget to mention also is that the real Ottomans and "Nazis", or the real threat to our existence has been our "freedom loving" neigbors such as Serbs, of course backed up by Big Boys headed by Russia .... how do you think you got Kosovo in the first place?

So whaterver your self-convictions are, one thing is true, we never subjugated to you, and never will.

Good, Sutanovac and his crew are honored guests of US machinery that bombed Serbia.

"Good, Sutanovac and his crew are honored guests of US machinery that bombed Serbia.
(Agim Kelmendi, 6 February 2011 15:43)"

They have no honor, no clue, and no respect. This is the same US war machine that has been bombing your Muslim brothers and sisters for many years, but for some reason you do not like to mentoin that fact. Oops I forgot, Albanians only care about others if they do something for them and if being a Muslim is in your advantage. You see Agim, the US only dares to attack smaller and weaker countries, which is the true characteristic of a coward. The same kind of cowardness that the KLA displayed when they were running for Albania as soon as they had to face some real soldiers and not unarmed civilians or lightly armed police. Only after the Yugoslav army had retreated from Kosovo they came back "triumphant".

@Milan,
I don't have muslim brothers and sisters. I am Albanian first and religion is my second thing. I can always change the religion, but I can never change what I am, and that is Albanian born. Albanians are beleivers of three main religions; Roman Catholic, Muslim and Orthodox(not Serb orthodox), and religion was never an issue amongst Albanians, since our relion is Albanianism. Sorry, for little lecture on this issue, since you brought it up. Your military elite has sold its soul to the big US of A, and there is nothing you can do about it.

So what was the JNA - a potted plant?
(Amer, 6 February 2011 19:30) It was communist Serb criminal army only good at butchering unarmed civilians.

"(Milan)" For some reason you and others just dont get it!! When did the Albanians came to this site to proclaim that they are muslims or any other religion?, I would say never.. We are Albanians first and foremost, then everyone is free to belive in whatever they want, if you have a problem with that, It is not the Albanians fault.. Your in no position to tell as who our brothers are!!?? do me a favour! show that you do have a brain on your next post.. thank you

They have no honor, no clue, and no respect. This is the same US war machine that has been bombing your Muslim brothers and sisters for many years, but for some reason you do not like to mentoin that fact. Oops I forgot, Albanians only care about others if they do something for them and if being a Muslim is in your advantage. You see Agim, the US only dares to attack smaller and weaker countries, which is the true characteristic of a coward. The same kind of cowardness that the KLA displayed when they were running for Albania as soon as they had to face some real soldiers and not unarmed civilians or lightly armed police. Only after the Yugoslav army had retreated from Kosovo they came back "triumphant".
(Milan, 6 February 2011 16:28)

Serbs fought with Croats and Slovenians. Aren't they Christians? So religion to Serbs is important only for propaganda reasons.

"... not unarmed civilians or lightly armed police. ...

(Milan, 6 February 2011 16:28) "

So what was the JNA - a potted plant?

"(Dragan)" And that is why your type are called religious fanatics, just like your muslim brothers!.. Am proud to say that We Albanians dont suffer from that illness...

We have this thing called pride and honour, which you have no clue about, and never will.
Cheers!
(Dragan, 6 February 2011 20:52)

Your religion is your pride and honor?

Maybe Albanians do not need a religion to build their identity, rather they have considered it as a means to an end, as a tool of survival. I think the very fact that a small nation survived culturaly for thousands of years amongst influences such as those of greek, latin, italian, oriental and slavic cultures demands respect.

If religion defines you as a Serb, so be it. But we dont use the same standard of measure....

You can dump them all in the gutter as far as I am concerned. My loyalty is to my identity not to a dogma of whatever form and origin that might be.

Agim said 'I am Albanian first and religion is my second thing. I can always change the religion, ...'

Well Agim, this why you are albanian and I am Serbian. We Serbs don't change our religion for money or better benefits or for paying less tax, etc. We have this thing called pride and honour, which you have no clue about, and never will.
Cheers!

Did he meet Commander Kirk? Or Mr. Spok? Or Captain Picard? :)

Kelmendi states that the Serb elite have sold their souls to the big USofA. Perhaps he has a point. However he and his chums fail to understand that although the current Serb leaders dance to the American tune, the Serbian people are a different proposition. Unlike the Albanians. And there's the rub. You either have a traditionally subservient mentality or you don't. From the Turks, to the Germans, to the Americans you tag along and hope to collect a few scraps from your masters table. In 1914 the Serbs were alone. In 1941 they were alone. And recently they've had to endure everything alone. And yes they were punished but hard. But you know what, they still have their pride. Can you look in the mirror and say the same of yourselves?

Serbs fought with Croats and Slovenians. Aren't they Christians? So religion to Serbs is important only for propaganda reasons.
(ivan, 6 February 2011 22:39)

and Croats & Slovenians in the JNA fought Croats & Slovenian separatists.

so what is your point?

Good, Sutanovac and his crew are honored guests of US machinery that bombed Serbia.
(Agim Kelmendi, 6 February 2011 15:43)
--
You do have a point. The sell-outs do get tours of the most advanced US hardware but they can't ignore Russia either. Both seem to be playing a game of tug-of-war over Serbia so there must be something of value there.

Just wondering, what do Albanians get to tour? The front lines of Afghanistan? Hmm, there doesn't seem to be much value there unless you consider cannon fodder valuable.

Did he meet Commander Kirk? Or Mr. Spok? Or Captain Picard? :)
(Top, 6 February 2011 14:32)

Yes, Mr Sutanovac did meet Capt. Kirk, Mr Spock and Captain Picard. They advised our Defence Minister of what do in case the Illyrians attack. After the meeting, Mr. Scott beemed the Serbian delegation back down to Earth.

Before the Albanians and Lenard wet their pants over Sutanovac visiting the US don’t get too hot over it. Remember that the US aircraft and not the Serbs killed 10 000 Albanians during the Kosovo war. Sutanovac is a western-paid stooge, but you do notice that after 12 years nothing has changed for Kosovo and that’s even with US support.
Shows you who is the real boss in the region; doesn’t it?

Has the Serbian Defence Minister any shame left in him at all?
Visiting such an instrument of US aggression is not only stupid but is also a downright insult to the Serbian victims of the US led Nato aggression against the Serbs since the early 90s.
Disgraceful !

MB,Ireland

I'm astonished that there are Albanians crowing over this. Your one and only significant sponsor - you remember, the sponsor who, as soon as they lose interest, will bring about the instant collapse of your state - is courting Sutanovac, not Ceku. Ask yourself why that would be - this does not promise anything good for "Kosova", trust me.

By the same token, some of the dimmer Serb nationalists ought to wake up to the fact that Kosmet will be won back diplomatically, something at which your leaders are considerably more gifted than the K Albs. Sitting at home sulking may appeal to a sense of national victimhood, but it won't get Kosovo back.
Such initiatives may be distasteful, but they are also effective.

"Yes, Mr Sutanovac did meet Capt. Kirk, Mr Spock and Captain Picard. They advised our Defence Minister of what do in case the Illyrians attack. After the meeting, Mr. Scott beemed the Serbian delegation back down to Earth.
(Janez-Beograd, 7 February 2011 11:04) "

They advised him to surrender immediately - resistance is futile.

Obviously that what ever defence minister do is not Serbian people choice and because of that his governament is going to go by -by very soon.

Do you remember this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE

http://www.quantumnow.com/trek/lyrics.html

"Starship Captain, James T. Kirk:
Ah! We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill;
we come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, men."

Denis,
You completely missed the point, as usual. Serbs are not subservient, but are a free and independent people. Just look at our histry. Your people, on the other hand, have a very subservient past and present, and love to lick the boots of whoever is the major power at the time. This is why you are where you are, and will always remain there.

Denis,
You completely missed the point, as usual. Serbs are not subservient, but are a free and independent people. Just look at our histry. Your people, on the other hand, have a very subservient past and present, and love to lick the boots of whoever is the major power at the time. This is why you are where you are, and will always remain there.
(Dragan, 8 February 2011 15:29)

Yeah, Albanians are subservient, cause this is the Serbian point of view. Water is wet too. If we were subservient, then how come we did not assimilate?

You meassure your freedom and liberty by the loyalty you have to your religion, which is not even an authentic culture for you .... this is how free and un-subjugated you are.

What you forget to mention is that while you are part of a large ethnic group, slavs and your mother Russia was always there for you, Albanians are not, and none ever backed them up due to cultural or ethnic affiliation.

What you forget to mention also is that the real Ottomans and "Nazis", or the real threat to our existence has been our "freedom loving" neigbors such as Serbs, of course backed up by Big Boys headed by Russia .... how do you think you got Kosovo in the first place?

So whaterver your self-convictions are, one thing is true, we never subjugated to you, and never will.