i'm actually surprised that i haven't read things like "he should sue for slander" and crap like that from the serbian nationalists like the albanian nationalists have been saying with respect to marty's accusations.
Albanians didn't put any other family on the danger when all started,albanians from 1981 where asking peacefully they rights but seems like you are to young to know exactly what started in the ground in Kosovo and how it ended so please do some survey if you are not from Kosovo or survived real depression from Serbian era or if you really lived in Serbia I Believe you don't know nothing because I know on those time what Serbian TV station they where showing nothing at all where one side was going war and other side where enjoying they everyday TV shows and how in the world you will know the truth when you are 'brain washed...'
:-)))
Again read the comment. I am refering to one man, one who terrorised his domain and selfishly sacrificed his family and friends.
I have an interest in Kosovo, age is unimportant,(though I suspect I am older than you). my interest is professional.
History is normally written by the victor (I use the word loosely in this case), hence Jashari's elevation to national martyr. A lot of Kosovo albanians were secretly glad to see the back of him, as they would the back of the current miscreants running the government at present. Don't be fooled by the nationalistic hype still evident in some quarters. The conflict was dirty and vicious and was for the benefit of a select few, with false promises to marshall the majority.
As for being brainwashed, look in the mirror..........
Now, thank you for your time and lets move on to another thread.
Read the comment again.
What goes around comes around.Jashari conducted a reign of terror within his sphere of influence and similiar to most other bandits/gangsters cashed in on the 'independance' theme.
Protecting his family? I would not (and I suspect you would not either) put my family in that position. Its one thing sacrificing yorself for a 'cause', your family too? Please.
(Wee Kelpie, 6 February 2011 21:42) Albanians didn't put any other family on the danger when all started,albanians from 1981 where asking peacefully they rights but seems like you are to young to know exactly what started in the ground in Kosovo and how it ended so please do some survey if you are not from Kosovo or survived real depression from Serbian era or if you really lived in Serbia I Believe you don't know nothing because I know on those time what Serbian TV station they where showing nothing at all where one side was going war and other side where enjoying they everyday TV shows and how in the world you will know the truth when you are brain washed...
Read the comment again.
What goes around comes around.Jashari conducted a reign of terror within his sphere of influence and similiar to most other bandits/gangsters cashed in on the 'independance' theme.
Protecting his family? I would not (and I suspect you would not either) put my family in that position. Its one thing sacrificing yorself for a 'cause', your family too? Please.
'....Adem Jashari killed many serb police and military and got killed him self but his blood is not for nothing. Because of him Kosovo is today independent and ofcourse he is a martyr and an historical figure for albanians...' (Demi, 5 February 2011 12:12)
Adem Jashari, first and foremost he was a bandit that robbed all asunder, regardless of ethnicity, same with the killings. Anybody that ventured anywhere near his 'turf' and did'nt pay dues/respects/taxes suffered accordingly. His role in the bombing/conflict was minimal, if any, Serbia had the resources on the ground for once and sought to end his reign, sadly a lot of innocents followed him (Kosovo Waco?) His elevation to Martyr was a means to an end and served its purpose, and still does by the sounds of it.
Criminals are criminals are criminals...
(Wee Kelpie, 5 February 2011 15:23) ............How dare you are calling someone Bandit for trying to protect his family if such same think happen to you when someone from outside come to kill you and your family what you will do ,or maybe you hate your family and you are glade for such think took place!!!??? Oh and dont forget dont let them live with out a kiss and bunch of flowers for doing that to your family...
"Hey Milan, are you by any chance from north Italy?
You know, since you have the name of a city, I was just wondering.
Forgive me for my "uneducated nonsense " I hope it doesn't stink your taste on blogging.
(miri, 5 February 2011 01:49)"
Miri,
Milan(e) is first of all a Slavic name and a city in Northern Italy, which I am not from. FYI, there are many cities called Milan in the US and one in Quebec. I do not care if people want to share their rubbish with people who visit this site. Based on names I am just skipping the majority of postings and that has and will not stop me from sharing my opinion here. In general it would help if people stick to the subject of the article they are responding to and provide source information. The reality is that this forum is not going to solve any serious issues. It is a good medium to let go of hatred and frustrations plus it gives us a good perspective what "the other side" is thinking. Knowing your opponents weak sides always helps and learning your own "unknown" achilles heels, courtesey of your opponents, also helps to become stronger.
'....Adem Jashari killed many serb police and military and got killed him self but his blood is not for nothing. Because of him Kosovo is today independent and ofcourse he is a martyr and an historical figure for albanians...' (Demi, 5 February 2011 12:12)
Adem Jashari, first and foremost he was a bandit that robbed all asunder, regardless of ethnicity, same with the killings. Anybody that ventured anywhere near his 'turf' and did'nt pay dues/respects/taxes suffered accordingly. His role in the bombing/conflict was minimal, if any, Serbia had the resources on the ground for once and sought to end his reign, sadly a lot of innocents followed him (Kosovo Waco?) His elevation to Martyr was a means to an end and served its purpose, and still does by the sounds of it.
Criminals are criminals are criminals...
The war started in the 1989 when Milosevic revoked the autonomy of Kosovo and albanians wich diden't want to call them self serbs got kicked out of their jobs and weren't allowed to work. Not to mention the inncent prisoners for beliving different from the state or all those who got killed and robbed by then serbian paramilitary forces. Do you actully know that albanians lived in fear during the whole 80's and 90's ? And that is why UCK was built to protect our people from a regime with those means that we could use. Adem Jashari killed many serb police and military and got killed him self but his blood is not for nothing. Because of him Kosovo is today independent and ofcourse he is a martyr and an historical figure for albanians. All those paramilitary serbs who got killed in Kosovo did die for nothing because Serbia lost the war and it's military were forced to leave Kosovo FOR GOOD!
So for you what is an liberation army Mr ??
Try to find the body's of all albanians wich were killed by serb military forces and today are hidden in massgraves in Serbia insteed of talking somthing you don't know. Just read about what albanians went trhough under serbian rule during first of all the 80's and 90's
It looks like the Kosovo Albanian have hired some US PR firm that has adviced them how to improve public preception of their pet project. In general attack is the best defense and they are just copying things as people without a unique identity always do. Our relatively new visitor Basta! also seems to be a more formidable writer than most of the amateuristic computer warriors that have made our minds num with their uneducated nonsense for a long time.
(Milan, 4 February 2011 21:23)
Hey Milan, are you by any chance from north Italy?
You know, since you have the name of a city, I was just wondering.
Forgive me for my "uneducated nonsense " I hope it doesn't stink your taste on blogging.
And reamember this dosen't have to do with the independence of Kosovo wich is irreverble.
(Demi, 4 February 2011 14:16)
I know you are having a hard time saying reversable as your subconscious is telling you otherwise.
All kidding aside, the war crimes in Kosovo began with the KLA leader Adem Jesheri and ended with his cohorts-Ceku, Thaci, Haradnaji and the rest. Any decent Kosovo citizen who supports these criminals supports barbarism.
Albin Kurti may want to join Albania, but at least he is not a criminal unlike those thugs listed above.
Jesheri got what we deserved as any terrorist should, he did not even want to save his own family and children to become a martyr to a bunch of uneducated and ill informed Albanian citizens.
It looks like the Kosovo Albanian have hired some US PR firm that has adviced them how to improve public preception of their pet project. In general attack is the best defense and they are just copying things as people without a unique identity always do. Our relatively new visitor Basta! also seems to be a more formidable writer than most of the amateuristic computer warriors that have made our minds num with their uneducated nonsense for a long time.
Of course he will dismiss the accusations, nither Milosevic or Karadzic said they were wrong. Every Serb had the right to kill Albanians in Kosova. The right granted by mother Serbia. They did nothing wrong they were just being patriotic and following the orders that's all.
If these are false accusations than you have nothing to fear.
If there is evidence and you are linked to these after-war crimes, you will not only be dismissed as a so-called ex-minister but you will also not be welcome in Kosova anymore and the courtroom will await you in Pristhina.
Tung
(FREEDOM, 4 February 2011 12:08)
Hey, you are right, if they are innocent they have nothing to fear. This should explain Thaci's panic and reason for wanting to release a list of the witnesses that spoke to Marty.
i'm actually surprised that i haven't read things like "he should sue for slander" and stuff like that from the serbian nationalists like the albanian nationalists have been saying with respect to marty's accusations.
Oh, it looks like someone forgot to mention the prosecutor didn't raise an indictment? Well, there you have it. Presumably this came due to lack of evidence? - Zoran
Well the same could been said about the ''yellow house'' story, They investegated but diden't raise any indictment. If one crime should be investigated then I belive all crimes should be investigeted.
I think that there should be set up an special court inside Kosovo to incestigate all crimes comitted by all etnicities from 1980 until today. This court should be set up by EU. Let's clear things once and for all and see who really did ethnic related crimes in Kosovo and who they represented at that time and who gave orders. The court judges and prosecuters should be made of european, K.albanian and K.serb experts. Serbia and Albania should cooperate with this court to find out the truth to all horrible crimes and give out suspects and evidence.
Dosen't that sound good ? And reamember this dosen't have to do with the independence of Kosovo wich is irreverble.
Oh, it looks like someone forgot to mention the prosecutor didn't raise an indictment? Well, there you have it. Presumably this came due to lack of evidence?
***
There was also no indictment regarding the 'Yellow House'. So, your point is?
Its not just "somebody", its UNMIK and their report and its not a secret some employees working for UNMIK helped criminals such as Ivanovic to get away with and most likely made sure it stayed that way. Thank God UNMIK was not only made of Russians and we are getting closer to the truth what really happened in north. These so called organ trafficking are said to have taken place befor 2000, in 1999, now my question is why do you pick and choose which crimes should be taken serious, shouldn't they all be investigated?
Pejoni (to Kate): "Its not just "somebody", its UNMIK and their report and its not a secret some employees working for UNMIK helped criminals such as Ivanovic to get away with and most likely made sure it stayed that way... now my question is why do you pick and choose which crimes should be taken serious, shouldn't they all be investigated?"
Firstly, the report doesn't say that the accusations came from UNMIK itself, which is why I said that 'somebody' reported this to UNMIK, who then rightly investigated.
If, as was the case of the 'organ farming' case (which describes the despicable activity much better), the lead UNMIK prosecutor suddenly announced that it had been wrongly dismissed for political reasons, then of course it should be fully reinvestigated.
Especially if after then an official investigator, such as Dick Marty, said that they had evidence to pursue the case and the majority of nations agreed.
They are two completely different scenarios, with this latter allegation against Oliver Ivanovic brought up from nowhere, coincidentally after seriously supported allegations against Hashim Thaci.
You seem like an intelligent person; I am sure that you can see the difference.
Yes, I do absolutely agree that all crimes should be taken seriously and fully investigated, regardless of ethnicity of perpetrator or victim. But this was taken seriously by UNMIK, and if not the case should be reopened properly. Not carried out in this amateurish ridiculous manner.
If these are false accusations than you have nothing to fear.
If there is evidence and you are linked to these after-war crimes, you will not only be dismissed as a so-called ex-minister but you will also not be welcome in Kosova anymore and the courtroom will await you in Pristhina.
He noted that the case mentioned by the newspaper was investigated in 2002, and that an prosecutor with the UN mission in the province, UNMIK, decided not to raise indictments. "
The state secretary noted that the case mentioned by the newspaper was investigated in 2002, and that an prosecutor with the UN mission in the province, UNMIK, decided not to raise indictments.
--
Oh, it looks like someone forgot to mention the prosecutor didn't raise an indictment? Well, there you have it. Presumably this came due to lack of evidence?
After that he went on to work in the temporary institutions from 2004 until 2007 so if there was any substance to the claim I'm sure our ethnic Albanian citizens would have brought this up much sooner.
As for the crimes committed, I do hope they find the perpetrators.
So 'somebody' made an accusation years ago which was deemed unfounded by UNMIK and they didn't pursue it. Now on the basis of the original accusation, it is being dragged up to smear him.
What an amatuerish load of bull and pathetic attempt at counterspin. It just makes those accusing look as desperate as they are.
Meanwhile, an interesting report in the New York Times today [ http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/04/world/europe/04iht-organ04.html ]
It looks like the Kosovo Albanian have hired some US PR firm that has adviced them how to improve public preception of their pet project. In general attack is the best defense and they are just copying things as people without a unique identity always do. Our relatively new visitor Basta! also seems to be a more formidable writer than most of the amateuristic computer warriors that have made our minds num with their uneducated nonsense for a long time.
So 'somebody' made an accusation years ago which was deemed unfounded by UNMIK and they didn't pursue it. Now on the basis of the original accusation, it is being dragged up to smear him.
What an amatuerish load of bull and pathetic attempt at counterspin. It just makes those accusing look as desperate as they are.
Meanwhile, an interesting report in the New York Times today [ http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/04/world/europe/04iht-organ04.html ]
Oh, it looks like someone forgot to mention the prosecutor didn't raise an indictment? Well, there you have it. Presumably this came due to lack of evidence? - Zoran
Well the same could been said about the ''yellow house'' story, They investegated but diden't raise any indictment. If one crime should be investigated then I belive all crimes should be investigeted.
I think that there should be set up an special court inside Kosovo to incestigate all crimes comitted by all etnicities from 1980 until today. This court should be set up by EU. Let's clear things once and for all and see who really did ethnic related crimes in Kosovo and who they represented at that time and who gave orders. The court judges and prosecuters should be made of european, K.albanian and K.serb experts. Serbia and Albania should cooperate with this court to find out the truth to all horrible crimes and give out suspects and evidence.
Dosen't that sound good ? And reamember this dosen't have to do with the independence of Kosovo wich is irreverble.
If these are false accusations than you have nothing to fear.
If there is evidence and you are linked to these after-war crimes, you will not only be dismissed as a so-called ex-minister but you will also not be welcome in Kosova anymore and the courtroom will await you in Pristhina.
Its not just "somebody", its UNMIK and their report and its not a secret some employees working for UNMIK helped criminals such as Ivanovic to get away with and most likely made sure it stayed that way. Thank God UNMIK was not only made of Russians and we are getting closer to the truth what really happened in north. These so called organ trafficking are said to have taken place befor 2000, in 1999, now my question is why do you pick and choose which crimes should be taken serious, shouldn't they all be investigated?
Oh, it looks like someone forgot to mention the prosecutor didn't raise an indictment? Well, there you have it. Presumably this came due to lack of evidence?
***
There was also no indictment regarding the 'Yellow House'. So, your point is?
He noted that the case mentioned by the newspaper was investigated in 2002, and that an prosecutor with the UN mission in the province, UNMIK, decided not to raise indictments. "
Pejoni (to Kate): "Its not just "somebody", its UNMIK and their report and its not a secret some employees working for UNMIK helped criminals such as Ivanovic to get away with and most likely made sure it stayed that way... now my question is why do you pick and choose which crimes should be taken serious, shouldn't they all be investigated?"
Firstly, the report doesn't say that the accusations came from UNMIK itself, which is why I said that 'somebody' reported this to UNMIK, who then rightly investigated.
If, as was the case of the 'organ farming' case (which describes the despicable activity much better), the lead UNMIK prosecutor suddenly announced that it had been wrongly dismissed for political reasons, then of course it should be fully reinvestigated.
Especially if after then an official investigator, such as Dick Marty, said that they had evidence to pursue the case and the majority of nations agreed.
They are two completely different scenarios, with this latter allegation against Oliver Ivanovic brought up from nowhere, coincidentally after seriously supported allegations against Hashim Thaci.
You seem like an intelligent person; I am sure that you can see the difference.
Yes, I do absolutely agree that all crimes should be taken seriously and fully investigated, regardless of ethnicity of perpetrator or victim. But this was taken seriously by UNMIK, and if not the case should be reopened properly. Not carried out in this amateurish ridiculous manner.
Of course he will dismiss the accusations, nither Milosevic or Karadzic said they were wrong. Every Serb had the right to kill Albanians in Kosova. The right granted by mother Serbia. They did nothing wrong they were just being patriotic and following the orders that's all.
The state secretary noted that the case mentioned by the newspaper was investigated in 2002, and that an prosecutor with the UN mission in the province, UNMIK, decided not to raise indictments.
--
Oh, it looks like someone forgot to mention the prosecutor didn't raise an indictment? Well, there you have it. Presumably this came due to lack of evidence?
After that he went on to work in the temporary institutions from 2004 until 2007 so if there was any substance to the claim I'm sure our ethnic Albanian citizens would have brought this up much sooner.
As for the crimes committed, I do hope they find the perpetrators.
If these are false accusations than you have nothing to fear.
If there is evidence and you are linked to these after-war crimes, you will not only be dismissed as a so-called ex-minister but you will also not be welcome in Kosova anymore and the courtroom will await you in Pristhina.
Tung
(FREEDOM, 4 February 2011 12:08)
Hey, you are right, if they are innocent they have nothing to fear. This should explain Thaci's panic and reason for wanting to release a list of the witnesses that spoke to Marty.
'....Adem Jashari killed many serb police and military and got killed him self but his blood is not for nothing. Because of him Kosovo is today independent and ofcourse he is a martyr and an historical figure for albanians...' (Demi, 5 February 2011 12:12)
Adem Jashari, first and foremost he was a bandit that robbed all asunder, regardless of ethnicity, same with the killings. Anybody that ventured anywhere near his 'turf' and did'nt pay dues/respects/taxes suffered accordingly. His role in the bombing/conflict was minimal, if any, Serbia had the resources on the ground for once and sought to end his reign, sadly a lot of innocents followed him (Kosovo Waco?) His elevation to Martyr was a means to an end and served its purpose, and still does by the sounds of it.
Criminals are criminals are criminals...
The war started in the 1989 when Milosevic revoked the autonomy of Kosovo and albanians wich diden't want to call them self serbs got kicked out of their jobs and weren't allowed to work. Not to mention the inncent prisoners for beliving different from the state or all those who got killed and robbed by then serbian paramilitary forces. Do you actully know that albanians lived in fear during the whole 80's and 90's ? And that is why UCK was built to protect our people from a regime with those means that we could use. Adem Jashari killed many serb police and military and got killed him self but his blood is not for nothing. Because of him Kosovo is today independent and ofcourse he is a martyr and an historical figure for albanians. All those paramilitary serbs who got killed in Kosovo did die for nothing because Serbia lost the war and it's military were forced to leave Kosovo FOR GOOD!
So for you what is an liberation army Mr ??
Try to find the body's of all albanians wich were killed by serb military forces and today are hidden in massgraves in Serbia insteed of talking somthing you don't know. Just read about what albanians went trhough under serbian rule during first of all the 80's and 90's
And reamember this dosen't have to do with the independence of Kosovo wich is irreverble.
(Demi, 4 February 2011 14:16)
I know you are having a hard time saying reversable as your subconscious is telling you otherwise.
All kidding aside, the war crimes in Kosovo began with the KLA leader Adem Jesheri and ended with his cohorts-Ceku, Thaci, Haradnaji and the rest. Any decent Kosovo citizen who supports these criminals supports barbarism.
Albin Kurti may want to join Albania, but at least he is not a criminal unlike those thugs listed above.
Jesheri got what we deserved as any terrorist should, he did not even want to save his own family and children to become a martyr to a bunch of uneducated and ill informed Albanian citizens.
i'm actually surprised that i haven't read things like "he should sue for slander" and stuff like that from the serbian nationalists like the albanian nationalists have been saying with respect to marty's accusations.
It looks like the Kosovo Albanian have hired some US PR firm that has adviced them how to improve public preception of their pet project. In general attack is the best defense and they are just copying things as people without a unique identity always do. Our relatively new visitor Basta! also seems to be a more formidable writer than most of the amateuristic computer warriors that have made our minds num with their uneducated nonsense for a long time.
(Milan, 4 February 2011 21:23)
Hey Milan, are you by any chance from north Italy?
You know, since you have the name of a city, I was just wondering.
Forgive me for my "uneducated nonsense " I hope it doesn't stink your taste on blogging.
Albanians didn't put any other family on the danger when all started,albanians from 1981 where asking peacefully they rights but seems like you are to young to know exactly what started in the ground in Kosovo and how it ended so please do some survey if you are not from Kosovo or survived real depression from Serbian era or if you really lived in Serbia I Believe you don't know nothing because I know on those time what Serbian TV station they where showing nothing at all where one side was going war and other side where enjoying they everyday TV shows and how in the world you will know the truth when you are 'brain washed...'
:-)))
Again read the comment. I am refering to one man, one who terrorised his domain and selfishly sacrificed his family and friends.
I have an interest in Kosovo, age is unimportant,(though I suspect I am older than you). my interest is professional.
History is normally written by the victor (I use the word loosely in this case), hence Jashari's elevation to national martyr. A lot of Kosovo albanians were secretly glad to see the back of him, as they would the back of the current miscreants running the government at present. Don't be fooled by the nationalistic hype still evident in some quarters. The conflict was dirty and vicious and was for the benefit of a select few, with false promises to marshall the majority.
As for being brainwashed, look in the mirror..........
Now, thank you for your time and lets move on to another thread.
Read the comment again.
What goes around comes around.Jashari conducted a reign of terror within his sphere of influence and similiar to most other bandits/gangsters cashed in on the 'independance' theme.
Protecting his family? I would not (and I suspect you would not either) put my family in that position. Its one thing sacrificing yorself for a 'cause', your family too? Please.
"Hey Milan, are you by any chance from north Italy?
You know, since you have the name of a city, I was just wondering.
Forgive me for my "uneducated nonsense " I hope it doesn't stink your taste on blogging.
(miri, 5 February 2011 01:49)"
Miri,
Milan(e) is first of all a Slavic name and a city in Northern Italy, which I am not from. FYI, there are many cities called Milan in the US and one in Quebec. I do not care if people want to share their rubbish with people who visit this site. Based on names I am just skipping the majority of postings and that has and will not stop me from sharing my opinion here. In general it would help if people stick to the subject of the article they are responding to and provide source information. The reality is that this forum is not going to solve any serious issues. It is a good medium to let go of hatred and frustrations plus it gives us a good perspective what "the other side" is thinking. Knowing your opponents weak sides always helps and learning your own "unknown" achilles heels, courtesey of your opponents, also helps to become stronger.
'....Adem Jashari killed many serb police and military and got killed him self but his blood is not for nothing. Because of him Kosovo is today independent and ofcourse he is a martyr and an historical figure for albanians...' (Demi, 5 February 2011 12:12)
Adem Jashari, first and foremost he was a bandit that robbed all asunder, regardless of ethnicity, same with the killings. Anybody that ventured anywhere near his 'turf' and did'nt pay dues/respects/taxes suffered accordingly. His role in the bombing/conflict was minimal, if any, Serbia had the resources on the ground for once and sought to end his reign, sadly a lot of innocents followed him (Kosovo Waco?) His elevation to Martyr was a means to an end and served its purpose, and still does by the sounds of it.
Criminals are criminals are criminals...
(Wee Kelpie, 5 February 2011 15:23) ............How dare you are calling someone Bandit for trying to protect his family if such same think happen to you when someone from outside come to kill you and your family what you will do ,or maybe you hate your family and you are glade for such think took place!!!??? Oh and dont forget dont let them live with out a kiss and bunch of flowers for doing that to your family...
Read the comment again.
What goes around comes around.Jashari conducted a reign of terror within his sphere of influence and similiar to most other bandits/gangsters cashed in on the 'independance' theme.
Protecting his family? I would not (and I suspect you would not either) put my family in that position. Its one thing sacrificing yorself for a 'cause', your family too? Please.
(Wee Kelpie, 6 February 2011 21:42) Albanians didn't put any other family on the danger when all started,albanians from 1981 where asking peacefully they rights but seems like you are to young to know exactly what started in the ground in Kosovo and how it ended so please do some survey if you are not from Kosovo or survived real depression from Serbian era or if you really lived in Serbia I Believe you don't know nothing because I know on those time what Serbian TV station they where showing nothing at all where one side was going war and other side where enjoying they everyday TV shows and how in the world you will know the truth when you are brain washed...
i'm actually surprised that i haven't read things like "he should sue for slander" and crap like that from the serbian nationalists like the albanian nationalists have been saying with respect to marty's accusations.
So 'somebody' made an accusation years ago which was deemed unfounded by UNMIK and they didn't pursue it. Now on the basis of the original accusation, it is being dragged up to smear him.
What an amatuerish load of bull and pathetic attempt at counterspin. It just makes those accusing look as desperate as they are.
Meanwhile, an interesting report in the New York Times today [ http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/04/world/europe/04iht-organ04.html ]
Pejoni (to Kate): "Its not just "somebody", its UNMIK and their report and its not a secret some employees working for UNMIK helped criminals such as Ivanovic to get away with and most likely made sure it stayed that way... now my question is why do you pick and choose which crimes should be taken serious, shouldn't they all be investigated?"
Firstly, the report doesn't say that the accusations came from UNMIK itself, which is why I said that 'somebody' reported this to UNMIK, who then rightly investigated.
If, as was the case of the 'organ farming' case (which describes the despicable activity much better), the lead UNMIK prosecutor suddenly announced that it had been wrongly dismissed for political reasons, then of course it should be fully reinvestigated.
Especially if after then an official investigator, such as Dick Marty, said that they had evidence to pursue the case and the majority of nations agreed.
They are two completely different scenarios, with this latter allegation against Oliver Ivanovic brought up from nowhere, coincidentally after seriously supported allegations against Hashim Thaci.
You seem like an intelligent person; I am sure that you can see the difference.
Yes, I do absolutely agree that all crimes should be taken seriously and fully investigated, regardless of ethnicity of perpetrator or victim. But this was taken seriously by UNMIK, and if not the case should be reopened properly. Not carried out in this amateurish ridiculous manner.
The state secretary noted that the case mentioned by the newspaper was investigated in 2002, and that an prosecutor with the UN mission in the province, UNMIK, decided not to raise indictments.
--
Oh, it looks like someone forgot to mention the prosecutor didn't raise an indictment? Well, there you have it. Presumably this came due to lack of evidence?
After that he went on to work in the temporary institutions from 2004 until 2007 so if there was any substance to the claim I'm sure our ethnic Albanian citizens would have brought this up much sooner.
As for the crimes committed, I do hope they find the perpetrators.
He noted that the case mentioned by the newspaper was investigated in 2002, and that an prosecutor with the UN mission in the province, UNMIK, decided not to raise indictments. "
If these are false accusations than you have nothing to fear.
If there is evidence and you are linked to these after-war crimes, you will not only be dismissed as a so-called ex-minister but you will also not be welcome in Kosova anymore and the courtroom will await you in Pristhina.
Oh, it looks like someone forgot to mention the prosecutor didn't raise an indictment? Well, there you have it. Presumably this came due to lack of evidence?
***
There was also no indictment regarding the 'Yellow House'. So, your point is?
If these are false accusations than you have nothing to fear.
If there is evidence and you are linked to these after-war crimes, you will not only be dismissed as a so-called ex-minister but you will also not be welcome in Kosova anymore and the courtroom will await you in Pristhina.
Tung
(FREEDOM, 4 February 2011 12:08)
Hey, you are right, if they are innocent they have nothing to fear. This should explain Thaci's panic and reason for wanting to release a list of the witnesses that spoke to Marty.
Its not just "somebody", its UNMIK and their report and its not a secret some employees working for UNMIK helped criminals such as Ivanovic to get away with and most likely made sure it stayed that way. Thank God UNMIK was not only made of Russians and we are getting closer to the truth what really happened in north. These so called organ trafficking are said to have taken place befor 2000, in 1999, now my question is why do you pick and choose which crimes should be taken serious, shouldn't they all be investigated?
i'm actually surprised that i haven't read things like "he should sue for slander" and stuff like that from the serbian nationalists like the albanian nationalists have been saying with respect to marty's accusations.
'....Adem Jashari killed many serb police and military and got killed him self but his blood is not for nothing. Because of him Kosovo is today independent and ofcourse he is a martyr and an historical figure for albanians...' (Demi, 5 February 2011 12:12)
Adem Jashari, first and foremost he was a bandit that robbed all asunder, regardless of ethnicity, same with the killings. Anybody that ventured anywhere near his 'turf' and did'nt pay dues/respects/taxes suffered accordingly. His role in the bombing/conflict was minimal, if any, Serbia had the resources on the ground for once and sought to end his reign, sadly a lot of innocents followed him (Kosovo Waco?) His elevation to Martyr was a means to an end and served its purpose, and still does by the sounds of it.
Criminals are criminals are criminals...
Oh, it looks like someone forgot to mention the prosecutor didn't raise an indictment? Well, there you have it. Presumably this came due to lack of evidence? - Zoran
Well the same could been said about the ''yellow house'' story, They investegated but diden't raise any indictment. If one crime should be investigated then I belive all crimes should be investigeted.
I think that there should be set up an special court inside Kosovo to incestigate all crimes comitted by all etnicities from 1980 until today. This court should be set up by EU. Let's clear things once and for all and see who really did ethnic related crimes in Kosovo and who they represented at that time and who gave orders. The court judges and prosecuters should be made of european, K.albanian and K.serb experts. Serbia and Albania should cooperate with this court to find out the truth to all horrible crimes and give out suspects and evidence.
Dosen't that sound good ? And reamember this dosen't have to do with the independence of Kosovo wich is irreverble.
It looks like the Kosovo Albanian have hired some US PR firm that has adviced them how to improve public preception of their pet project. In general attack is the best defense and they are just copying things as people without a unique identity always do. Our relatively new visitor Basta! also seems to be a more formidable writer than most of the amateuristic computer warriors that have made our minds num with their uneducated nonsense for a long time.
And reamember this dosen't have to do with the independence of Kosovo wich is irreverble.
(Demi, 4 February 2011 14:16)
I know you are having a hard time saying reversable as your subconscious is telling you otherwise.
All kidding aside, the war crimes in Kosovo began with the KLA leader Adem Jesheri and ended with his cohorts-Ceku, Thaci, Haradnaji and the rest. Any decent Kosovo citizen who supports these criminals supports barbarism.
Albin Kurti may want to join Albania, but at least he is not a criminal unlike those thugs listed above.
Jesheri got what we deserved as any terrorist should, he did not even want to save his own family and children to become a martyr to a bunch of uneducated and ill informed Albanian citizens.
Of course he will dismiss the accusations, nither Milosevic or Karadzic said they were wrong. Every Serb had the right to kill Albanians in Kosova. The right granted by mother Serbia. They did nothing wrong they were just being patriotic and following the orders that's all.
"Hey Milan, are you by any chance from north Italy?
You know, since you have the name of a city, I was just wondering.
Forgive me for my "uneducated nonsense " I hope it doesn't stink your taste on blogging.
(miri, 5 February 2011 01:49)"
Miri,
Milan(e) is first of all a Slavic name and a city in Northern Italy, which I am not from. FYI, there are many cities called Milan in the US and one in Quebec. I do not care if people want to share their rubbish with people who visit this site. Based on names I am just skipping the majority of postings and that has and will not stop me from sharing my opinion here. In general it would help if people stick to the subject of the article they are responding to and provide source information. The reality is that this forum is not going to solve any serious issues. It is a good medium to let go of hatred and frustrations plus it gives us a good perspective what "the other side" is thinking. Knowing your opponents weak sides always helps and learning your own "unknown" achilles heels, courtesey of your opponents, also helps to become stronger.
The war started in the 1989 when Milosevic revoked the autonomy of Kosovo and albanians wich diden't want to call them self serbs got kicked out of their jobs and weren't allowed to work. Not to mention the inncent prisoners for beliving different from the state or all those who got killed and robbed by then serbian paramilitary forces. Do you actully know that albanians lived in fear during the whole 80's and 90's ? And that is why UCK was built to protect our people from a regime with those means that we could use. Adem Jashari killed many serb police and military and got killed him self but his blood is not for nothing. Because of him Kosovo is today independent and ofcourse he is a martyr and an historical figure for albanians. All those paramilitary serbs who got killed in Kosovo did die for nothing because Serbia lost the war and it's military were forced to leave Kosovo FOR GOOD!
So for you what is an liberation army Mr ??
Try to find the body's of all albanians wich were killed by serb military forces and today are hidden in massgraves in Serbia insteed of talking somthing you don't know. Just read about what albanians went trhough under serbian rule during first of all the 80's and 90's
'....Adem Jashari killed many serb police and military and got killed him self but his blood is not for nothing. Because of him Kosovo is today independent and ofcourse he is a martyr and an historical figure for albanians...' (Demi, 5 February 2011 12:12)
Adem Jashari, first and foremost he was a bandit that robbed all asunder, regardless of ethnicity, same with the killings. Anybody that ventured anywhere near his 'turf' and did'nt pay dues/respects/taxes suffered accordingly. His role in the bombing/conflict was minimal, if any, Serbia had the resources on the ground for once and sought to end his reign, sadly a lot of innocents followed him (Kosovo Waco?) His elevation to Martyr was a means to an end and served its purpose, and still does by the sounds of it.
Criminals are criminals are criminals...
(Wee Kelpie, 5 February 2011 15:23) ............How dare you are calling someone Bandit for trying to protect his family if such same think happen to you when someone from outside come to kill you and your family what you will do ,or maybe you hate your family and you are glade for such think took place!!!??? Oh and dont forget dont let them live with out a kiss and bunch of flowers for doing that to your family...
It looks like the Kosovo Albanian have hired some US PR firm that has adviced them how to improve public preception of their pet project. In general attack is the best defense and they are just copying things as people without a unique identity always do. Our relatively new visitor Basta! also seems to be a more formidable writer than most of the amateuristic computer warriors that have made our minds num with their uneducated nonsense for a long time.
(Milan, 4 February 2011 21:23)
Hey Milan, are you by any chance from north Italy?
You know, since you have the name of a city, I was just wondering.
Forgive me for my "uneducated nonsense " I hope it doesn't stink your taste on blogging.
Read the comment again.
What goes around comes around.Jashari conducted a reign of terror within his sphere of influence and similiar to most other bandits/gangsters cashed in on the 'independance' theme.
Protecting his family? I would not (and I suspect you would not either) put my family in that position. Its one thing sacrificing yorself for a 'cause', your family too? Please.
(Wee Kelpie, 6 February 2011 21:42) Albanians didn't put any other family on the danger when all started,albanians from 1981 where asking peacefully they rights but seems like you are to young to know exactly what started in the ground in Kosovo and how it ended so please do some survey if you are not from Kosovo or survived real depression from Serbian era or if you really lived in Serbia I Believe you don't know nothing because I know on those time what Serbian TV station they where showing nothing at all where one side was going war and other side where enjoying they everyday TV shows and how in the world you will know the truth when you are brain washed...
Read the comment again.
What goes around comes around.Jashari conducted a reign of terror within his sphere of influence and similiar to most other bandits/gangsters cashed in on the 'independance' theme.
Protecting his family? I would not (and I suspect you would not either) put my family in that position. Its one thing sacrificing yorself for a 'cause', your family too? Please.
Albanians didn't put any other family on the danger when all started,albanians from 1981 where asking peacefully they rights but seems like you are to young to know exactly what started in the ground in Kosovo and how it ended so please do some survey if you are not from Kosovo or survived real depression from Serbian era or if you really lived in Serbia I Believe you don't know nothing because I know on those time what Serbian TV station they where showing nothing at all where one side was going war and other side where enjoying they everyday TV shows and how in the world you will know the truth when you are 'brain washed...'
:-)))
Again read the comment. I am refering to one man, one who terrorised his domain and selfishly sacrificed his family and friends.
I have an interest in Kosovo, age is unimportant,(though I suspect I am older than you). my interest is professional.
History is normally written by the victor (I use the word loosely in this case), hence Jashari's elevation to national martyr. A lot of Kosovo albanians were secretly glad to see the back of him, as they would the back of the current miscreants running the government at present. Don't be fooled by the nationalistic hype still evident in some quarters. The conflict was dirty and vicious and was for the benefit of a select few, with false promises to marshall the majority.
As for being brainwashed, look in the mirror..........
Now, thank you for your time and lets move on to another thread.
i'm actually surprised that i haven't read things like "he should sue for slander" and crap like that from the serbian nationalists like the albanian nationalists have been saying with respect to marty's accusations.
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