"UN mission ready to support Kosovo organ probe"

demi- to be honest I think most Serbs would love to see the back of the Albanians. Nothing but trouble, riddled by crime and corruption. Lets split down the middle, keeping our churches as well. Serbia can then build a wall to prevent desperate Kalbs trying to escape from their self made destitution. Deal?

Demi, there'll be no war because the Albanian side has NOTHING to fight with, KFOR will be gone, the S. Stream will bring RUS military bases and by the time we're through with you diplomatically, you'll be so demoralized that you wont bother provoking VS, EULEX, MUP & the Army of the Russian Federation with your KPS rifles, pistols & jeeps

Agim, your daily rants against anyone that sheds light on crime involving Albanian leadership in Kosovo, is really getting old. Why don't you rant about the corruption and criminal activity in Pristina? Do you really believe that Thaci and company are clean politicians?

I knew it would happen-check the archives. Time to laugh @ Agim Kelmendi the local B92 comentator, who (like most of our Albanians) can't grasp that patience is a virtue and that as far as the UDI...ITS OVER! Face it Albanians, re-integration with the Serb motherland, no getting away with Serb land or Serb organs that you stole with Turkish help. ITS OVAH!

"Maybe the 'evidence', if i can call it that, was destroyed because it was deemed to be irrelevant - have out ever thought of that? Although, I do agree that it was stupid thing to do because now, one destroyed syringe and piece of gauge, fuel a thousand conspiracy theories."

Of course I have thought about what you wrote. Just as I had thought that it was also possible that they were destroyed on orders of certain powers with vested interests at that time.

"Do you really think that if Calra del Ponte found credible & conrete evidence that confirmed these suspicion, would have kept her mouth shut at the time??? This could have been her biggest and most sensational case!"

Or maybe she was "persuaded" to keep her trap shut at that time? And subsequently realized that she could not continue with the deception? This scenario is possible too right?

"Instead she decided to draw vague conclusions by selectively looking at some facts and in the process making millions by creating contraversial popularity around her book that few outside legal circles would have read had she not caused this."

If she had "some facts" (your words), don't you think these ought to be investigated? By impartial judges of course.

"To clarify I do support and inependent investigation by whatever international body but until then I will continue to believe that these organ removal accusations are false - not because I believe that we albanians are saints but simply for the lack of evidence, probability and facts presented so far.
(nikshala, 1 February 2011 14:46)"

Actually you don't think tons of proof. You only need one piece of evidence to be accepted by the court to convict somebody. The question of course is whether the Yankees and Brits, for example, would dare to allow a genuine investigation to take place.

Don't you just get this feeling that the handling of this body organs investigation from the time of de Ponte's office and UNMIK to now Eulex were carried out by bunch after bunch of bumbling, incompetent idiots? I mean, from what I read, to destroy entire evidence collected -- unless these were done at the behest of some great power at that time with something to hide .... then perhaps not that idiotic after all .....

"UNMIK remains ready to provide its full support to any further eventual investigations into the allegations that may be conducted in the future," Ban Ki-moon underscored"
Good, with this we can be sure that an investigation will take place and that no crime will go unpunished!
And eventually Kosovo will just be an Serbian province.

Face it Albanians, re-integration with the Serb motherland, no getting away with Serb land or Serb organs that you stole with Turkish help. ITS OVAH!
(highduke, 1 February 2011 12:51)


It will take a great war to ''re-integrate'' Kosovo with Serbia wich would infect all regional countrys as Macedonia, Albania, Bosnia and Croatia. This would be a disaster for the entire Balkan countrys and EU. In the end albanians would fight to the last man as in 1999 and Kosovo would still stay independent.

Haven't you heard that Kosovo independence will not change? Not without approval from the 2 million albanians living in Kosovo at least. Can Serbia get their approval without forcing them with force ??

Just ask your self....

"Don't you just get this feeling that the handling of this body organs investigation from the time of de Ponte's office and UNMIK to now Eulex were carried out by bunch after bunch of bumbling, incompetent idiots? I mean, from what I read, to destroy entire evidence collected -- unless these were done at the behest of some great power at that time with something to hide .... then perhaps not that idiotic after all .....
(lowe, 1 February 2011 14:00) "

Maybe the 'evidence', if i can call it that, was destroyed because it was deemed to be irrelevant - have out ever thought of that? Although, I do agree that it was stupid thing to do because now, one destroyed syringe and piece of gauge, fuel a thousand conspiracy theories.

Do you really think that if Calra del Ponte found credible & conrete evidence that confirmed these suspicion, would have kept her mouth shut at the time??? This could have been her biggest and most sensational case!

Instead she decided to draw vague conclusions by selectively looking at some facts and in the process making millions by creating contraversial popularity around her book that few outside legal circles would have read had she not caused this.

To clarify I do support and inependent investigation by whatever international body but until then I will continue to believe that these organ removal accusations are false - not because I believe that we albanians are saints but simply for the lack of evidence, probability and facts presented so far.

So with your logic you want the people in Kosovo to live in fear from russian and serbian army bases without the right of free speach in a democratic EU ? And you hope that albanians could not defend them self when russia hits them if they want to decide about their future and homeland ?


With that logic you wrelly will ''re-integrate'' Kosovo into a failed state called Serbia wich basicly cannot keep on to Sandzak and Vojvodina. And with you logic you say that Europe will be a territory of Russia.

And what about Russia? A poor country with a very poor people wich cannot control it's territory without using force against the civilian population wich thinks different from the state.


Just compare US with Russia in every aspect and you will wake up from your dreamlife. People dream to travle to any city in US like L-Angeles and New York but I never hear anyone wanting to travele to any city in Russia.


With easy words, Russia is nothing at all!! Not important at all because US controls the world both your country and my country. The only place Russia will control is the poor un-educated people in Caucausus.

I feel sorry how people live in Russia so there is no reason to be afraid from such a country. Insteed of sending EU-funds to Serbia and Kosovo EU should help the poor people of Russia wich lives a worse life than Kosovo albanians.


So as long as US is in place and albanians arm them self with time with 'heavy weapons' Kosovo independence will not change. We are just waiting for Serbian recognition wich eventally will come very soon.

Marty can claim that KLA committed all kinds of crimes, but surely no person who is impartial can claim that the majority of KLA fighters did not join to fight for independence!! He is almost suggested that the majority, i.e. over 15 000 KLA members joined to commit organized crimes, remove organs etc etc. It is an absolute joke.
(nikshala, 1 February 2011 17:47)

since most of the kla were already criminals ,yes committ crimes is what criminals do.

Demi, you dont even believe the nonesense you typed. Nobody does. Enough rhetoric. More reality: you Albanians wont live in fear of our Serb revenge because you wont be able to provoke us into retaliating EVER again because we'll let the EULEX foreigners deal with you directly with MUP in the background, VS at the Albanian border & RUS Army in the interior. Its a slow fall for you & we've just reached the half-way point now, gaining such speed that you wont see rock-bottom until it hits you hard

"Do you really think that if Calra del Ponte found credible & conrete evidence that confirmed these suspicion, would have kept her mouth shut at the time??? This could have been her biggest and most sensational case! "
(nikshala, 1 February 2011 14:46)

Do you really think it was possible to find more concrete evidence and investigate further if official state organs in Albania and Kosovo were in denial that it COULD have happened at all, didn't cooperate or even obstructed investigations? Do you think del Ponte is kind of a James Bond who did everything on her own, fighting for the good hidden well, surrounded by enemies?

"My Special Representative did not call the elections, which were not organized within the framework of resolution 1244 (1999), and will not certify the results," Ban stressed.


ej Moon, I am dying to know where your Rep. is nowadays? I would think he is doing some work, like annulling elections,resolutions passed by Kosov MP's, and so on....
Handfull of UNMIK/Ruskies are up north and getting paid for doing nothing. At least local Serbs in the north are making money as well for no work done.

Demi - Im sure those living in Kosovo dream of travelling ANYWHERE.

If you wanna get a sense of how obsolete and even child-like some Albanian's minds are then: 1. read the comment by Demi @ 1540 and how many Albanians actually reccomended that comment 2) Google FATOS LUBONJA famous Albanian dissident & critic of Albanian culture & psychology 3) Remember the Pyramid Schemes and how Albanians deluded themselves until they hit rock-bottom 4) Note how failure to admit the end of Ottoman & American Power will deprive them of Greater Albania 2X in less than 99 years

Demi wrote:

"It will take a great war to ''re-integrate'' Kosovo with Serbia wich would infect all regional countrys as Macedonia, Albania, Bosnia and Croatia. This would be a disaster for the entire Balkan countrys and EU. In the end albanians would fight to the last man as in 1999 and Kosovo would still stay independent. "
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Demi, you sound a little juvenile.
What does Kosovo have to do with Croatia or Bosnia? Why would they be drawn into anything, especially when there are no Albanians living there. Well not many in Bosnia anyway and Croatia never accepted you as residents.

You speak of Albanians fighting to the last man. Again, very stupid as that is exactly what you would end up with. Do you honestly believe that the world would allow you to threaten war and fight to the last man just to get what you want? They would allow you to give your last man in battle and still lose. Face it, the world does not care about you one bit. Why would they allow you to kill off all the Serbs and Macedonians in order to get what you want? Don't you think that Serbia and Macedonia might be prepared to fight to their last man as well? What then?

Grow up.

Responsibility has been given from UNMIK to EULEX years ago. It is now up to EULEX to investigate this, and since there are some doubts if EULEX has capacitities to do so, I'm wondering how UNMIK with virtually no staff at all can help in this. I believe that some were simply to excited to write "UNMIK" in the news header, again. UNMIK, however, is... R.I.P.

Interesting reading:

http://www.svedok.rs/index.asp?show=75508

Now even Serbs are saying that theories are "budalaštine"

Iowe,

I agree that there is a small possibility that Del Ponte was told to shut up, whether US & UK (which I assume would be your main suspects) believed the allegations or not for the simple fact that they would have had negative effect even if completely made up. But she has spoken out now, for whatever reason, and she still has not presented any concrete facts or evidence that confirm that these crimes happened.

When I mentioned the word selective ‘facts’, I meant using one syringe or an empty bottle of medicine to claim that organs of 300 serbs were removed despite million other uses for those items. In this case the evidence would have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that these crimes occurred – be it one piece of evidence or a hundred. Nonetheless, the accusations alone merit an impartial investigation.

So far, all we have heard is accusations from Del Ponte, Marty, Serbian Prosecution but no real evidence apart from some apparent witnesses. Is it not also possible that some people were paid to say that these crimes occurred? What makes me even more suspicious for lack of evidence, are the recent interviews by Marty which make it obvious that he is ‘wriggling out’ of accusations made in his report or trying to soften them.

I think majority of Albanians supports an impartial investigation as soon as possible – so that’s something we all agree on. But one reason that Albanians do not believe them is because Marty’s report is obviously political. Quote from report:

“31.The evidence we have uncovered is perhaps most significant in that it often contradicts the much touted
image of the Kosovo Liberation Army, or KLA, as a guerrilla army that fought valiantly to defend the
right of its people to inhabit the territory of Kosovo.

32. While there were undoubtedly numerous brave soldiers who were willing to go to the warfront, in the
face of considerable adversity, and if necessary die for the cause of an independent Kosovar Albanian
motherland, these fighters were not necessarily in the majority.”

If that is not a political statement trying to discredit the whole Albanian cause in Kosovo, then I do not know what is. Marty can claim that KLA committed all kinds of crimes, but surely no person who is impartial can claim that the majority of KLA fighters did not join to fight for independence!! He is almost suggested that the majority, i.e. over 15 000 KLA members joined to commit organized crimes, remove organs etc etc. It is an absolute joke.

"He is almost suggested that the majority, i.e. over 15 000 KLA members joined to commit organized crimes, remove organs etc etc. It is an absolute joke. "
(nikshala, 1 February 2011 17:47)

Maybe Thaci suggested that, to take the attention away from the fact that he was the leader of a criminal group and those crimes couldn't have happened without his knowledge (or approval).

not because I believe that we albanians are saints but simply for the lack of evidence, probability and facts presented so far.
(nikshala, 1 February 2011 14:46)

I checked with one of my friend, a high ranked EU representative who confirmed that if no further investigation is being carried, proofs are usually destroyed.
Sofar so good, but at the end the question is why no further investigation was being made. Del Ponte complained many times that she is hindered to do so, we might understand today what she meant after the latest official revelations on the corrupted Pristina govnt, which I believe you know very well !
Your are right in saying that Del Ponte is rather shooting first and then looking for what happend, she is known for this, and has done the same (unsuccessfully) while she was a Swiss prosecutor.
As to Mr Marty, he is the opposite and never comes up with a report without having the conviction that he is right.
Of course, still a lot has to be done to shed more light, and this is the all point, he wants to be sure that all the necessary legal mechanisnm are in place before going to the next step, to avoid another wipping under the carpet.
So, let's wait and see, for the sake of all, what his 2 years of work will bring.
As you said the majority of Albanians are welcoming it in order to move forward and that's the way it should be !

Posters who meditate on the future of Kosovo once this obscene scandal is confronted in earnest are most astute when thinking about boundaries. Because this organ trade monstrosity is all about borders. The prisoners were taken in Kosovo, but they were brought to Albania. Somewhere, they crossed a border. People talk about partitions which leave Serbs their churches and communities, but this is not really enough for the international concerns over Albania's lack of clearly policed borders. Better would be to partition areas of high Albanian populations in Kosovo and make them semi-autonomous and let the Serbs run the rest of Kosovo's southern borders and especially with Albania itself.

"Marty can claim that KLA committed all kinds of crimes, but surely no person who is impartial can claim that the majority of KLA fighters did not join to fight for independence!! He is almost suggested that the majority, i.e. over 15 000 KLA members joined to commit organized crimes, remove organs etc etc. It is an absolute joke.
(nikshala, 1 February 2011 17:47)

since most of the kla were already criminals ,yes committ crimes is what criminals do.
(Dragoslav, 1 February 2011 18:30)

Dragoslav,

You are the winner of a HINT: read "impartial" in my comment.

32. While there were undoubtedly numerous brave soldiers who were willing to go to the warfront, in the face of considerable adversity, and if necessary die for the cause of an independent Kosovar Albanian motherland, these fighters were not necessarily in the majority.”
(nikshala, 1 February 2011 17:47)

What's your problem with this sentence? It says: 'Not necessarily'. There's no doubt that the KLA was at least infiltrated by criminal groups (you might call them mafia clans if you like) which at first wanted to fill their own pockets with money and use Kosovo as a base for their illegal activities. That's the general problem in Kosovo: Politicians, criminals, ex-KLA-fighers: There's no distinction, it's all mixed up, and that's what makes Kosovo so messy.

"32. While there were undoubtedly numerous brave soldiers who were willing to go to the warfront, in the face of considerable adversity, and if necessary die for the cause of an independent Kosovar Albanian motherland, these fighters were not necessarily in the majority.”
(nikshala, 1 February 2011 17:47)

What's your problem with this sentence? It says: 'Not necessarily'. There's no doubt that the KLA was at least infiltrated by criminal groups (you might call them mafia clans if you like) which at first wanted to fill their own pockets with money and use Kosovo as a base for their illegal activities. That's the general problem in Kosovo: Politicians, criminals, ex-KLA-fighers: There's no distinction, it's all mixed up, and that's what makes Kosovo so messy.
(Top, 2 February 2011 11:19) "

I have many problems with that statement and also that statement should be read in conjuction with point 31 from that report;

1. If there were criminal gangs within KLA and, lets say hypothetically, even if they committed all the crimes that Marty is accusing them of, this does not mean that the majority of KLA fighters did not join to fight for independence cause. Serb army committed horrible atrocities in Kosovo, but I still do not doubt that the majoirty of serb soldiers joined and believed they were fighting for the serbian cause, despite the fact that i disagree with it.

2. How can someone who is apparently an impartial professional investigator / prosecutor make a statement like that in a seriour report for a european institution - i.e. what does he base that statement on? Has he interview all the KLA fighters (or a respectable percentage) to come to the conclusion about why they were fighting for? Or is his statement based on statistics from another survey conducted by someone else?!

You cannot make a general pre-judiced statement like that without proof of facts to back up the claim - and when you do, you become a political tool, which I believe he is.

Peggy,

It is true everybody can fight to the last man. The difference is that Kosovo or albanians will not attack Serbia and in that way would not cause the ''war''. And if Serbia belives to take N.Kosovo by any means ,then why should 25-35% albanians in Macedonia want to live under macedonian rule ? Or 35-40 % serbs in Bosnia ?


But for the sake of regional stability and neighbourly cooperation we all have to accept the existing borders not to cause an ''dominoeffect''. When all western balkan countrys hopefully gets Eu membership borders will not matter much.

Only with cooperartion with Kosovo as two independent states can Serbia make life better for the K.serbs. The forthcoming dialoug between Prishtina and Belgrade will be about such issues. Not about how somebody can change the already settled status of Kosovo.


One thing I am sure of as an ''juvenile'' is that the independence of Kosovo will not change in any way. No partition and no integration with Albania or Serbia or any other country. Whether you want it or not you serbs will have to accept the new reality.


Don't hope that the so called Marty rapport will change somthing. I know you hope that but it will not succed to blossom.

wont bother provoking VS, EULEX, MUP & the Army of the Russian Federation with your KPS rifles, pistols & jeeps
(highduke, 1 February 2011 14:52)

Highduke, don't overestimate Russia, I've been there 6 years, seen it, experienced it, lived thru two govnt, Yeltsin and Putin, have a lot of friends, could write a book on it, but at the end, in summary, they are looking at their own interest like the US is doing.
It is though a good balance but certainly should not be the only way to look at the things !!
As much as I can share your views on some k-trolls here, as much I believe that you should also control a bit your emotions when it comes to your comments if you really want to show a different image that the k-trolls are doing...

The most prominent Serbian doctor said that this is embarrassing for Serbia, I can't wait. Del Ponte's witnesses apparently were lying through their teeth but Dick marty has "new" ones, but they are secret

It is interesting how the kalbo posters here continue to live in their fantasy world. Their pseudo-state is nothing and there is nothing they can do to improve it. Their best chance at living a decent life is demanding re-integration with Serbia when it becomes a member of the eu because kosovo would never get into the eu and, if they tried to annex into albania, albania would never get into the eu. Since I have tired of the entire albo population, I would rather draw the line for the construction of "JohnBoy's Wall" through kosovo (similar to Hadrian's Wall the Roman built in britain to keep the barbarians out of their empire). This will provide amusement for the world watching the albos try to enter the eu by themselves. This will also free the Serbs from being forced into the eu if they wish to stay out. I think Serbia is surrendering to slavery by joining the eu but the government has brainwashed many of the Serbs again.

@Demi,

"But for the sake of regional stability and neighbourly cooperation we all have to accept the existing borders not to cause an ''dominoeffect''. When all western balkan countrys hopefully gets Eu membership borders will not matter much."
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I see, just like you accepted the borders and tried to steal Kosovo. Is this correct?
Why should your borders be accepted and borders accepted by the entire world and international law were not? You didn't care about stability back then when you declared independence.

It's like saying, yes I stole your land but get over it or there will be a bloodshed. No, you cannot intimidate anyone with that.
You want to fight to the last man, you may get your wish but remember that the others outnumber you by miles.
Please explain what has Macedonia got to do with Serbia not accepting your ultimatum? Why should there be any blood spilled? Greed perhaps? You want more?

Also you did mention Croatia and Bosnia. You never did answer that this has to do with them. Why would they go to war over this?
No, you would be all on your own and you would certainly get your wish. Your last man lost for nothing.
Perhaps you are hoping that NATO will fight another war for you. Keep dreaming. That will not be repeated and you don't have enough muscle on your own. Think about it. Don't be stupid or yes, juvenile.

(JohnBoy, 1 February 2011 19:52)
Most everyday on this site someone reaffirms my stance that Kosovo must forever be free from Serbia. You get the award today!

nikshala,

in your last reply to my post, you seem to be suggesting that Marty and del Ponte were politically motivated and now hold anti-Albanian biasness. Which to me only makes it even more mandatory for impartial judges to look at their allegations. If the Albanians are really innocent, then they can be cleared by these judges.

Also don't forget that your point about the lack of evidence today should objectively be balanced by the point from reports that all past evidence collected were destroyed by the authorities concerned. So you can't say that there was no shred of evidence -- there was evidence that, for whatever reasons (honest or dishonest) that were destroyed.

Secretary General of UN statement, although luke-warm support for further investigation in organ trafficking in KOSOVO,should be view as positive.I'm still wondering to what happen to the report UNMIK submitted to ITCY in 2003.Why ICTY did not acted on it?Either publicly disregard it for insufficient evidence or start investigation. 8 years of silence is a suspect of possible cover-up.Therefore,independent prosecutor is absolute necessity.It should be created and mandated by UNSC

Marty called for an independent enquiry. UNMIK and Eulex are too close involved to be objective.

@Demi:

we will see what future brings, ...but since you are so eager to accept existing borders, ...why are you supporting the illegal regime in Pristina then?

you know that KiM is an integral part of Serbia?

and do not be to quick with your opinion about what is or what is not going to happen!

I can see that the mentioned " wave of frustration " has reached also you k-albanian kiddies in here, and there is nothing you can do about it, actually.

you are mistaking the situation I guess, ...since Serbia is a UN-memberstate, a founding member by the way, our borders are proteced by the international law.

so, no matter what some are talking NOW, the really interesting thing is, what will be when the current situation eases and international political structures strenghten again!

because, ...you shouldn´t bet on the US of A remaining the sole socalled "superpower", actually they never were.

but in the future, Brazil,Russia,China and India will play a more important role than doday, and if you are a smart guy, you will realize what that means for your illegal greater albanian project.

this thing about the organ-trafficking is only one step to discredit your monstrous project. and it works, actually.

I have learned that even some people who were not interested in the Balkans ( they told me without being asked ) have changed their view about the Kosovo-issue fundamentally.

I found that good of course, but I also told them that it will need time to reintegrate southern Serbia again into the constitutional order.

so, we have the time, my friend, time plays for Serbia, you only do not realize it yet.

but sooner of later you will!

your phrase are amusing me, actually! you know this "you will have to accept reality wether you like or not"-part was really great! =)

...because, I will repeat that when the time has come for you to swallow the bitter pill.

and that, my friend, is going to happen.

"...wether you like it or not!"

It dosent matter what happening in Kosovo at the moment, meant Territory, but bad for minorities. U.S, Russia and Europe are tired of Islam with their supporters. So these muslim minorities among Christians, can begin to imagine what will happen when the pot boils over. Muslims accept only Muslims and nothing else. the last place I would be if I was Muslim, its in Europe and especially if I have occupied land from countries that do not belong to me. when the oil is gone, then the problem solve.

Del Ponte's 'evidence' :

"Eight supposed eyewitnesses described, independently of one another, similar details of a yellow house with a room on the ground floor that was used as a makeshift operating room. According to these accounts, a doctor, a Kosovar from Pec with a "noticeable hooked nose," removed the organs from up to 50 prisoners in this house. The organs were allegedly then taken to the airport in Tirana and flown to other countries, where well-to-do patients were already waiting for transplantation."

OOOOOOOOOOPPPPPSSSS, they are lying. Said who? DICK MARTI

Wally wrote: " Im sure those living in Kosovo dream of travelling ANYWHERE". LOL. At least not as serbs Dreamin Bhttp://www.reportingproject.net/occrp/index.php/cc-blog/697-serbs-killed-in-bolivia-shoot-outolivia...

So with your logic you want the people in Kosovo to live in fear from russian and serbian army bases without the right of free speach in a democratic EU ? And you hope that albanians could not defend them self when russia hits them if they want to decide about their future and homeland ?


With that logic you wrelly will ''re-integrate'' Kosovo into a failed state called Serbia wich basicly cannot keep on to Sandzak and Vojvodina. And with you logic you say that Europe will be a territory of Russia.

And what about Russia? A poor country with a very poor people wich cannot control it's territory without using force against the civilian population wich thinks different from the state.


Just compare US with Russia in every aspect and you will wake up from your dreamlife. People dream to travle to any city in US like L-Angeles and New York but I never hear anyone wanting to travele to any city in Russia.


With easy words, Russia is nothing at all!! Not important at all because US controls the world both your country and my country. The only place Russia will control is the poor un-educated people in Caucausus.

I feel sorry how people live in Russia so there is no reason to be afraid from such a country. Insteed of sending EU-funds to Serbia and Kosovo EU should help the poor people of Russia wich lives a worse life than Kosovo albanians.


So as long as US is in place and albanians arm them self with time with 'heavy weapons' Kosovo independence will not change. We are just waiting for Serbian recognition wich eventally will come very soon.

I knew it would happen-check the archives. Time to laugh @ Agim Kelmendi the local B92 comentator, who (like most of our Albanians) can't grasp that patience is a virtue and that as far as the UDI...ITS OVER! Face it Albanians, re-integration with the Serb motherland, no getting away with Serb land or Serb organs that you stole with Turkish help. ITS OVAH!

"My Special Representative did not call the elections, which were not organized within the framework of resolution 1244 (1999), and will not certify the results," Ban stressed.


ej Moon, I am dying to know where your Rep. is nowadays? I would think he is doing some work, like annulling elections,resolutions passed by Kosov MP's, and so on....
Handfull of UNMIK/Ruskies are up north and getting paid for doing nothing. At least local Serbs in the north are making money as well for no work done.

Face it Albanians, re-integration with the Serb motherland, no getting away with Serb land or Serb organs that you stole with Turkish help. ITS OVAH!
(highduke, 1 February 2011 12:51)


It will take a great war to ''re-integrate'' Kosovo with Serbia wich would infect all regional countrys as Macedonia, Albania, Bosnia and Croatia. This would be a disaster for the entire Balkan countrys and EU. In the end albanians would fight to the last man as in 1999 and Kosovo would still stay independent.

Haven't you heard that Kosovo independence will not change? Not without approval from the 2 million albanians living in Kosovo at least. Can Serbia get their approval without forcing them with force ??

Just ask your self....

"Don't you just get this feeling that the handling of this body organs investigation from the time of de Ponte's office and UNMIK to now Eulex were carried out by bunch after bunch of bumbling, incompetent idiots? I mean, from what I read, to destroy entire evidence collected -- unless these were done at the behest of some great power at that time with something to hide .... then perhaps not that idiotic after all .....
(lowe, 1 February 2011 14:00) "

Maybe the 'evidence', if i can call it that, was destroyed because it was deemed to be irrelevant - have out ever thought of that? Although, I do agree that it was stupid thing to do because now, one destroyed syringe and piece of gauge, fuel a thousand conspiracy theories.

Do you really think that if Calra del Ponte found credible & conrete evidence that confirmed these suspicion, would have kept her mouth shut at the time??? This could have been her biggest and most sensational case!

Instead she decided to draw vague conclusions by selectively looking at some facts and in the process making millions by creating contraversial popularity around her book that few outside legal circles would have read had she not caused this.

To clarify I do support and inependent investigation by whatever international body but until then I will continue to believe that these organ removal accusations are false - not because I believe that we albanians are saints but simply for the lack of evidence, probability and facts presented so far.

The most prominent Serbian doctor said that this is embarrassing for Serbia, I can't wait. Del Ponte's witnesses apparently were lying through their teeth but Dick marty has "new" ones, but they are secret

Demi, there'll be no war because the Albanian side has NOTHING to fight with, KFOR will be gone, the S. Stream will bring RUS military bases and by the time we're through with you diplomatically, you'll be so demoralized that you wont bother provoking VS, EULEX, MUP & the Army of the Russian Federation with your KPS rifles, pistols & jeeps

It is interesting how the kalbo posters here continue to live in their fantasy world. Their pseudo-state is nothing and there is nothing they can do to improve it. Their best chance at living a decent life is demanding re-integration with Serbia when it becomes a member of the eu because kosovo would never get into the eu and, if they tried to annex into albania, albania would never get into the eu. Since I have tired of the entire albo population, I would rather draw the line for the construction of "JohnBoy's Wall" through kosovo (similar to Hadrian's Wall the Roman built in britain to keep the barbarians out of their empire). This will provide amusement for the world watching the albos try to enter the eu by themselves. This will also free the Serbs from being forced into the eu if they wish to stay out. I think Serbia is surrendering to slavery by joining the eu but the government has brainwashed many of the Serbs again.

demi- to be honest I think most Serbs would love to see the back of the Albanians. Nothing but trouble, riddled by crime and corruption. Lets split down the middle, keeping our churches as well. Serbia can then build a wall to prevent desperate Kalbs trying to escape from their self made destitution. Deal?

Agim, your daily rants against anyone that sheds light on crime involving Albanian leadership in Kosovo, is really getting old. Why don't you rant about the corruption and criminal activity in Pristina? Do you really believe that Thaci and company are clean politicians?

"UNMIK remains ready to provide its full support to any further eventual investigations into the allegations that may be conducted in the future," Ban Ki-moon underscored"
Good, with this we can be sure that an investigation will take place and that no crime will go unpunished!
And eventually Kosovo will just be an Serbian province.

Del Ponte's 'evidence' :

"Eight supposed eyewitnesses described, independently of one another, similar details of a yellow house with a room on the ground floor that was used as a makeshift operating room. According to these accounts, a doctor, a Kosovar from Pec with a "noticeable hooked nose," removed the organs from up to 50 prisoners in this house. The organs were allegedly then taken to the airport in Tirana and flown to other countries, where well-to-do patients were already waiting for transplantation."

OOOOOOOOOOPPPPPSSSS, they are lying. Said who? DICK MARTI

Demi, you dont even believe the nonesense you typed. Nobody does. Enough rhetoric. More reality: you Albanians wont live in fear of our Serb revenge because you wont be able to provoke us into retaliating EVER again because we'll let the EULEX foreigners deal with you directly with MUP in the background, VS at the Albanian border & RUS Army in the interior. Its a slow fall for you & we've just reached the half-way point now, gaining such speed that you wont see rock-bottom until it hits you hard

Iowe,

I agree that there is a small possibility that Del Ponte was told to shut up, whether US & UK (which I assume would be your main suspects) believed the allegations or not for the simple fact that they would have had negative effect even if completely made up. But she has spoken out now, for whatever reason, and she still has not presented any concrete facts or evidence that confirm that these crimes happened.

When I mentioned the word selective ‘facts’, I meant using one syringe or an empty bottle of medicine to claim that organs of 300 serbs were removed despite million other uses for those items. In this case the evidence would have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that these crimes occurred – be it one piece of evidence or a hundred. Nonetheless, the accusations alone merit an impartial investigation.

So far, all we have heard is accusations from Del Ponte, Marty, Serbian Prosecution but no real evidence apart from some apparent witnesses. Is it not also possible that some people were paid to say that these crimes occurred? What makes me even more suspicious for lack of evidence, are the recent interviews by Marty which make it obvious that he is ‘wriggling out’ of accusations made in his report or trying to soften them.

I think majority of Albanians supports an impartial investigation as soon as possible – so that’s something we all agree on. But one reason that Albanians do not believe them is because Marty’s report is obviously political. Quote from report:

“31.The evidence we have uncovered is perhaps most significant in that it often contradicts the much touted
image of the Kosovo Liberation Army, or KLA, as a guerrilla army that fought valiantly to defend the
right of its people to inhabit the territory of Kosovo.

32. While there were undoubtedly numerous brave soldiers who were willing to go to the warfront, in the
face of considerable adversity, and if necessary die for the cause of an independent Kosovar Albanian
motherland, these fighters were not necessarily in the majority.”

If that is not a political statement trying to discredit the whole Albanian cause in Kosovo, then I do not know what is. Marty can claim that KLA committed all kinds of crimes, but surely no person who is impartial can claim that the majority of KLA fighters did not join to fight for independence!! He is almost suggested that the majority, i.e. over 15 000 KLA members joined to commit organized crimes, remove organs etc etc. It is an absolute joke.

Marty can claim that KLA committed all kinds of crimes, but surely no person who is impartial can claim that the majority of KLA fighters did not join to fight for independence!! He is almost suggested that the majority, i.e. over 15 000 KLA members joined to commit organized crimes, remove organs etc etc. It is an absolute joke.
(nikshala, 1 February 2011 17:47)

since most of the kla were already criminals ,yes committ crimes is what criminals do.

If you wanna get a sense of how obsolete and even child-like some Albanian's minds are then: 1. read the comment by Demi @ 1540 and how many Albanians actually reccomended that comment 2) Google FATOS LUBONJA famous Albanian dissident & critic of Albanian culture & psychology 3) Remember the Pyramid Schemes and how Albanians deluded themselves until they hit rock-bottom 4) Note how failure to admit the end of Ottoman & American Power will deprive them of Greater Albania 2X in less than 99 years

"Marty can claim that KLA committed all kinds of crimes, but surely no person who is impartial can claim that the majority of KLA fighters did not join to fight for independence!! He is almost suggested that the majority, i.e. over 15 000 KLA members joined to commit organized crimes, remove organs etc etc. It is an absolute joke.
(nikshala, 1 February 2011 17:47)

since most of the kla were already criminals ,yes committ crimes is what criminals do.
(Dragoslav, 1 February 2011 18:30)

Dragoslav,

You are the winner of a HINT: read "impartial" in my comment.

Wally wrote: " Im sure those living in Kosovo dream of travelling ANYWHERE". LOL. At least not as serbs Dreamin Bhttp://www.reportingproject.net/occrp/index.php/cc-blog/697-serbs-killed-in-bolivia-shoot-outolivia...

Interesting reading:

http://www.svedok.rs/index.asp?show=75508

Now even Serbs are saying that theories are "budalaštine"

"He is almost suggested that the majority, i.e. over 15 000 KLA members joined to commit organized crimes, remove organs etc etc. It is an absolute joke. "
(nikshala, 1 February 2011 17:47)

Maybe Thaci suggested that, to take the attention away from the fact that he was the leader of a criminal group and those crimes couldn't have happened without his knowledge (or approval).

"Do you really think that if Calra del Ponte found credible & conrete evidence that confirmed these suspicion, would have kept her mouth shut at the time??? This could have been her biggest and most sensational case! "
(nikshala, 1 February 2011 14:46)

Do you really think it was possible to find more concrete evidence and investigate further if official state organs in Albania and Kosovo were in denial that it COULD have happened at all, didn't cooperate or even obstructed investigations? Do you think del Ponte is kind of a James Bond who did everything on her own, fighting for the good hidden well, surrounded by enemies?

Peggy,

It is true everybody can fight to the last man. The difference is that Kosovo or albanians will not attack Serbia and in that way would not cause the ''war''. And if Serbia belives to take N.Kosovo by any means ,then why should 25-35% albanians in Macedonia want to live under macedonian rule ? Or 35-40 % serbs in Bosnia ?


But for the sake of regional stability and neighbourly cooperation we all have to accept the existing borders not to cause an ''dominoeffect''. When all western balkan countrys hopefully gets Eu membership borders will not matter much.

Only with cooperartion with Kosovo as two independent states can Serbia make life better for the K.serbs. The forthcoming dialoug between Prishtina and Belgrade will be about such issues. Not about how somebody can change the already settled status of Kosovo.


One thing I am sure of as an ''juvenile'' is that the independence of Kosovo will not change in any way. No partition and no integration with Albania or Serbia or any other country. Whether you want it or not you serbs will have to accept the new reality.


Don't hope that the so called Marty rapport will change somthing. I know you hope that but it will not succed to blossom.

"32. While there were undoubtedly numerous brave soldiers who were willing to go to the warfront, in the face of considerable adversity, and if necessary die for the cause of an independent Kosovar Albanian motherland, these fighters were not necessarily in the majority.”
(nikshala, 1 February 2011 17:47)

What's your problem with this sentence? It says: 'Not necessarily'. There's no doubt that the KLA was at least infiltrated by criminal groups (you might call them mafia clans if you like) which at first wanted to fill their own pockets with money and use Kosovo as a base for their illegal activities. That's the general problem in Kosovo: Politicians, criminals, ex-KLA-fighers: There's no distinction, it's all mixed up, and that's what makes Kosovo so messy.
(Top, 2 February 2011 11:19) "

I have many problems with that statement and also that statement should be read in conjuction with point 31 from that report;

1. If there were criminal gangs within KLA and, lets say hypothetically, even if they committed all the crimes that Marty is accusing them of, this does not mean that the majority of KLA fighters did not join to fight for independence cause. Serb army committed horrible atrocities in Kosovo, but I still do not doubt that the majoirty of serb soldiers joined and believed they were fighting for the serbian cause, despite the fact that i disagree with it.

2. How can someone who is apparently an impartial professional investigator / prosecutor make a statement like that in a seriour report for a european institution - i.e. what does he base that statement on? Has he interview all the KLA fighters (or a respectable percentage) to come to the conclusion about why they were fighting for? Or is his statement based on statistics from another survey conducted by someone else?!

You cannot make a general pre-judiced statement like that without proof of facts to back up the claim - and when you do, you become a political tool, which I believe he is.

"Maybe the 'evidence', if i can call it that, was destroyed because it was deemed to be irrelevant - have out ever thought of that? Although, I do agree that it was stupid thing to do because now, one destroyed syringe and piece of gauge, fuel a thousand conspiracy theories."

Of course I have thought about what you wrote. Just as I had thought that it was also possible that they were destroyed on orders of certain powers with vested interests at that time.

"Do you really think that if Calra del Ponte found credible & conrete evidence that confirmed these suspicion, would have kept her mouth shut at the time??? This could have been her biggest and most sensational case!"

Or maybe she was "persuaded" to keep her trap shut at that time? And subsequently realized that she could not continue with the deception? This scenario is possible too right?

"Instead she decided to draw vague conclusions by selectively looking at some facts and in the process making millions by creating contraversial popularity around her book that few outside legal circles would have read had she not caused this."

If she had "some facts" (your words), don't you think these ought to be investigated? By impartial judges of course.

"To clarify I do support and inependent investigation by whatever international body but until then I will continue to believe that these organ removal accusations are false - not because I believe that we albanians are saints but simply for the lack of evidence, probability and facts presented so far.
(nikshala, 1 February 2011 14:46)"

Actually you don't think tons of proof. You only need one piece of evidence to be accepted by the court to convict somebody. The question of course is whether the Yankees and Brits, for example, would dare to allow a genuine investigation to take place.

Demi - Im sure those living in Kosovo dream of travelling ANYWHERE.

Responsibility has been given from UNMIK to EULEX years ago. It is now up to EULEX to investigate this, and since there are some doubts if EULEX has capacitities to do so, I'm wondering how UNMIK with virtually no staff at all can help in this. I believe that some were simply to excited to write "UNMIK" in the news header, again. UNMIK, however, is... R.I.P.

not because I believe that we albanians are saints but simply for the lack of evidence, probability and facts presented so far.
(nikshala, 1 February 2011 14:46)

I checked with one of my friend, a high ranked EU representative who confirmed that if no further investigation is being carried, proofs are usually destroyed.
Sofar so good, but at the end the question is why no further investigation was being made. Del Ponte complained many times that she is hindered to do so, we might understand today what she meant after the latest official revelations on the corrupted Pristina govnt, which I believe you know very well !
Your are right in saying that Del Ponte is rather shooting first and then looking for what happend, she is known for this, and has done the same (unsuccessfully) while she was a Swiss prosecutor.
As to Mr Marty, he is the opposite and never comes up with a report without having the conviction that he is right.
Of course, still a lot has to be done to shed more light, and this is the all point, he wants to be sure that all the necessary legal mechanisnm are in place before going to the next step, to avoid another wipping under the carpet.
So, let's wait and see, for the sake of all, what his 2 years of work will bring.
As you said the majority of Albanians are welcoming it in order to move forward and that's the way it should be !

wont bother provoking VS, EULEX, MUP & the Army of the Russian Federation with your KPS rifles, pistols & jeeps
(highduke, 1 February 2011 14:52)

Highduke, don't overestimate Russia, I've been there 6 years, seen it, experienced it, lived thru two govnt, Yeltsin and Putin, have a lot of friends, could write a book on it, but at the end, in summary, they are looking at their own interest like the US is doing.
It is though a good balance but certainly should not be the only way to look at the things !!
As much as I can share your views on some k-trolls here, as much I believe that you should also control a bit your emotions when it comes to your comments if you really want to show a different image that the k-trolls are doing...

Demi wrote:

"It will take a great war to ''re-integrate'' Kosovo with Serbia wich would infect all regional countrys as Macedonia, Albania, Bosnia and Croatia. This would be a disaster for the entire Balkan countrys and EU. In the end albanians would fight to the last man as in 1999 and Kosovo would still stay independent. "
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Demi, you sound a little juvenile.
What does Kosovo have to do with Croatia or Bosnia? Why would they be drawn into anything, especially when there are no Albanians living there. Well not many in Bosnia anyway and Croatia never accepted you as residents.

You speak of Albanians fighting to the last man. Again, very stupid as that is exactly what you would end up with. Do you honestly believe that the world would allow you to threaten war and fight to the last man just to get what you want? They would allow you to give your last man in battle and still lose. Face it, the world does not care about you one bit. Why would they allow you to kill off all the Serbs and Macedonians in order to get what you want? Don't you think that Serbia and Macedonia might be prepared to fight to their last man as well? What then?

Grow up.

32. While there were undoubtedly numerous brave soldiers who were willing to go to the warfront, in the face of considerable adversity, and if necessary die for the cause of an independent Kosovar Albanian motherland, these fighters were not necessarily in the majority.”
(nikshala, 1 February 2011 17:47)

What's your problem with this sentence? It says: 'Not necessarily'. There's no doubt that the KLA was at least infiltrated by criminal groups (you might call them mafia clans if you like) which at first wanted to fill their own pockets with money and use Kosovo as a base for their illegal activities. That's the general problem in Kosovo: Politicians, criminals, ex-KLA-fighers: There's no distinction, it's all mixed up, and that's what makes Kosovo so messy.

Don't you just get this feeling that the handling of this body organs investigation from the time of de Ponte's office and UNMIK to now Eulex were carried out by bunch after bunch of bumbling, incompetent idiots? I mean, from what I read, to destroy entire evidence collected -- unless these were done at the behest of some great power at that time with something to hide .... then perhaps not that idiotic after all .....

(JohnBoy, 1 February 2011 19:52)
Most everyday on this site someone reaffirms my stance that Kosovo must forever be free from Serbia. You get the award today!

@Demi:

we will see what future brings, ...but since you are so eager to accept existing borders, ...why are you supporting the illegal regime in Pristina then?

you know that KiM is an integral part of Serbia?

and do not be to quick with your opinion about what is or what is not going to happen!

I can see that the mentioned " wave of frustration " has reached also you k-albanian kiddies in here, and there is nothing you can do about it, actually.

you are mistaking the situation I guess, ...since Serbia is a UN-memberstate, a founding member by the way, our borders are proteced by the international law.

so, no matter what some are talking NOW, the really interesting thing is, what will be when the current situation eases and international political structures strenghten again!

because, ...you shouldn´t bet on the US of A remaining the sole socalled "superpower", actually they never were.

but in the future, Brazil,Russia,China and India will play a more important role than doday, and if you are a smart guy, you will realize what that means for your illegal greater albanian project.

this thing about the organ-trafficking is only one step to discredit your monstrous project. and it works, actually.

I have learned that even some people who were not interested in the Balkans ( they told me without being asked ) have changed their view about the Kosovo-issue fundamentally.

I found that good of course, but I also told them that it will need time to reintegrate southern Serbia again into the constitutional order.

so, we have the time, my friend, time plays for Serbia, you only do not realize it yet.

but sooner of later you will!

your phrase are amusing me, actually! you know this "you will have to accept reality wether you like or not"-part was really great! =)

...because, I will repeat that when the time has come for you to swallow the bitter pill.

and that, my friend, is going to happen.

"...wether you like it or not!"

Posters who meditate on the future of Kosovo once this obscene scandal is confronted in earnest are most astute when thinking about boundaries. Because this organ trade monstrosity is all about borders. The prisoners were taken in Kosovo, but they were brought to Albania. Somewhere, they crossed a border. People talk about partitions which leave Serbs their churches and communities, but this is not really enough for the international concerns over Albania's lack of clearly policed borders. Better would be to partition areas of high Albanian populations in Kosovo and make them semi-autonomous and let the Serbs run the rest of Kosovo's southern borders and especially with Albania itself.

nikshala,

in your last reply to my post, you seem to be suggesting that Marty and del Ponte were politically motivated and now hold anti-Albanian biasness. Which to me only makes it even more mandatory for impartial judges to look at their allegations. If the Albanians are really innocent, then they can be cleared by these judges.

Also don't forget that your point about the lack of evidence today should objectively be balanced by the point from reports that all past evidence collected were destroyed by the authorities concerned. So you can't say that there was no shred of evidence -- there was evidence that, for whatever reasons (honest or dishonest) that were destroyed.

@Demi,

"But for the sake of regional stability and neighbourly cooperation we all have to accept the existing borders not to cause an ''dominoeffect''. When all western balkan countrys hopefully gets Eu membership borders will not matter much."
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I see, just like you accepted the borders and tried to steal Kosovo. Is this correct?
Why should your borders be accepted and borders accepted by the entire world and international law were not? You didn't care about stability back then when you declared independence.

It's like saying, yes I stole your land but get over it or there will be a bloodshed. No, you cannot intimidate anyone with that.
You want to fight to the last man, you may get your wish but remember that the others outnumber you by miles.
Please explain what has Macedonia got to do with Serbia not accepting your ultimatum? Why should there be any blood spilled? Greed perhaps? You want more?

Also you did mention Croatia and Bosnia. You never did answer that this has to do with them. Why would they go to war over this?
No, you would be all on your own and you would certainly get your wish. Your last man lost for nothing.
Perhaps you are hoping that NATO will fight another war for you. Keep dreaming. That will not be repeated and you don't have enough muscle on your own. Think about it. Don't be stupid or yes, juvenile.

It dosent matter what happening in Kosovo at the moment, meant Territory, but bad for minorities. U.S, Russia and Europe are tired of Islam with their supporters. So these muslim minorities among Christians, can begin to imagine what will happen when the pot boils over. Muslims accept only Muslims and nothing else. the last place I would be if I was Muslim, its in Europe and especially if I have occupied land from countries that do not belong to me. when the oil is gone, then the problem solve.

Marty called for an independent enquiry. UNMIK and Eulex are too close involved to be objective.

Secretary General of UN statement, although luke-warm support for further investigation in organ trafficking in KOSOVO,should be view as positive.I'm still wondering to what happen to the report UNMIK submitted to ITCY in 2003.Why ICTY did not acted on it?Either publicly disregard it for insufficient evidence or start investigation. 8 years of silence is a suspect of possible cover-up.Therefore,independent prosecutor is absolute necessity.It should be created and mandated by UNSC