Suspected Nazi war criminal Peter Egner, whose extradition was requested by Serbia for murdering over 17,000 civilians during WW2, has died at the age of 88.
Ceric visist Auschwitz. Calls The Holocaust genocide and then says "genocide like 'genocide in srebrenica". That's one sick puppy. Sad to see some posters here who think the same.
as for "Basta"
my dear friends, do not fall for those cheap attempts by some of our k-albanian friends to post provocations under foreign nick-names or like in this case, by belittling the crimes of Nazi-killers in WW 2.
this all is only aimed at provoking angry comments or even insults against other nations, individuals writing here.
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And Jovan, feeling better now? Sometimes it really helps to let it all out...
Btw: If you would roll the letter r in your next speech (I know it's a bit difficult in a written text, but you could use double rs) it would increase the dramatic effect. I especially liked the part about 'Serbia will prevail'.
my dear friends, do not fall for those cheap attempts by some of our k-albanian friends to post provocations under foreign nick-names or like in this case, by belittling the crimes of Nazi-killers in WW 2.
this all is only aimed at provoking angry comments or even insults against other nations, individuals writing here.
those k-albanians who believe to be so smart by doing that, forget one thing:
they are much to unimportant to be of interest for others in the world. nobody really cares for them anymore.
and that´s quite good, since the times when Albanians have scored with propaganda are definitely over.
now the truth is coming up, and that´s what makes them so frustrated and angry.
Basta,
I am not really worried about the numbers of "Recommended" or "Poor Comment" on my postings. In the end that is just a game with multiple votes by one person and informing friends and ask them to vote for or against a posting.
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Yes, was for sure all me (that’s what your hinting at, isn’t it?). Furthermore I admit to being the kidnapper of the Lindbergh baby and the second shooter at the Kennedy assassination and just by the way: Luke you are my son, yeah that’s me too.
Btw: The Simon Wiesenthal Center’s most wanted list includes two Hungarians, a Croat, Germans/ Austrians, a Dutch, a Dane, a Lithuanian and an Estonian. Any proposals how to deal now with Croats, Hungarians, Dutch, Danes, Lithuanians and Estonians?
I am not really worried about the numbers of "Recommended" or "Poor Comment" on my postings. In the end that is just a game with multiple votes by one person and informing friends and ask them to vote for or against a posting. It is quite clear that if certain subjects are brought up the numbers of "Poor Comment" votes for pro-Serbian goes up dramatically. I am kind of curious about your motivation to condemn the expulsions of ethnic Germans from many parts of Europe so much. My grandfather was tortured and killed by ethnic Germans just a few days before WWII ended and so I do not feel any sympathy for any German who had blood on his or her hands or who supported the Nazis and their allies, both physically or emotionally. I am not going to distance myself from any of the comments I made and it is up to you and others to sense the real tone in them. I do not advocate war or anything bad. Peter Egner did not get what he deserved and that saddens me and many others. I hope that the many Peter Egmers that are still alive will face the justice that they deserved.
I am afraid that B92 has become a site of mainly Serb-haters and fascist-lovers. A sad sad development conclusion.
(Milan, 2 February 2011 16:00)
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Just in case you were addressing me (which I doubt): Applying your own logic makes one a 'fascist lover'? Last time I have checked there was only one person here who was justifying mass murder and expulsion and that was you!
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So in your cynical striving for moral equivalence, you are prepared to compare what you admit were "minor skirmishes" to the planned murder of millions of people. I'm sorry to give in to the prevailing tone of what is often a very angry forum, but you shock me.
(Avi, 2 February 2011 16:2
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Sorry, I did what???
The biggest massacre in Europe after WW2 was committed in Bosnia and with your post you have used up all moral authority.
"And this did not only happen in Yugoslavia.
(Milan, 2 February 2011 05:02) Since all that happened Milan why the Serbs did not learn anything from it in WW2. This is what happened in just one place in the country of Bosnia i Herzegovina in the 1990s their were many places with those kind of crimes [link] .
(Lenard, 2 February 2011 18:05)"
I do not know and there is probably no simple answer. The only problem is that Croats, Bosniaks, and Albanians also did not learn anything from WWI and WWII, so as usual one cannot point fingers at one specific ethnic group. Under communism everything had to be forgotten because of brotherly love. After Yugoslavia fell apart and nationalistic elements in Croatia and Bosniaks emerged again that showed close resemblance to the Nazi allies in WWII (their hate towards all that is Serb, their desires to dominate Serbs, plus the open support by Germany) something must have been triggered in many Serb minds and strong feelings to finally take revenge emerged. Let me ask you Lenard, did you or any Croat really believe that the Serbs were going to have themselves butchered by Croats for the third time in 80 years? I believe the original topic most of us were supposed to reply to was the death of an ethnic German who had been involved in war crimes during WWII. Do you believe that the US should have extridited him to Serbia to stand trial or do you believe that the US did the right thing not to take away his US citizenship and leave things as they were, even though he got his US citizenship illegially by lying about his WWII past? I just hope he had a rotten life and that his innocent victims visited him every night in his nightmares and that his children and grandchildren were aware of his past and that they openly rejected that part.
And this did not only happen in Yugoslavia.
(Milan, 2 February 2011 05:02) Since all that happened Milan why the Serbs did not learn anything from it in WW2. This is what happened in just one place in the country of Bosnia i Herzegovina in the 1990s their were many places with those kind of crimes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi%C5%A1egrad_massacres .
So in your cynical striving for moral equivalence, you are prepared to compare what you admit were "minor skirmishes" to the planned murder of millions of people. I'm sorry to give in to the prevailing tone of what is often a very angry forum, but you shock me.
Basta! - so you compare the Nazi persecutions of the 1930s, 6 years of World War and the Holocaust to the few days it took the JNA to leave Slovenia? I fear you are beneath contempt and beyond help.
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So there are bad and not so bad wars and you decide which one is which? And the events following Slovenia were for sure only minor skirmishes because you don't find them worth mentioning...
Basta! - so you compare the Nazi persecutions of the 1930s, 6 years of World War and the Holocaust to the few days it took the JNA to leave Slovenia? I fear you are beneath contempt and beyond help.
Truthiness, you too have let yourself down. You must realise that some moral issues are far bigger than the chauvinistic politics which you embrace in your comment.
If you post a link you should perhaps bother to read it completly and not only quote those parts that suit you. "The number of deaths and their causes remain a topic of tense debate among historians."
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"Of course the innocent ethnic Germans did not deserve to suffer like they did, but after WWII there was no other alternative considering the sentiments and hatred. Please check the following link to understand why Germans were no longer accepted."
If one follows your logic there should not be a single Serb left in Slovenia, Kroatia, Bosnia (except RS) and Kosovo. Unsettling idea, isn't it?
"12 million Germans were expelled, up to 2 millions were killed and not to forget forced labour camps.... For sure the children, females and elderly persons were all guilty... What a great comment!
(Basta!, 1 February 2011 18:29)"
How about all the children, females and elderly persons who were killed by the Nazis and their allies? Of course the innocent ethnic Germans did not deserve to suffer like they did, but after WWII there was no other alternative considering the sentiments and hatred. Please check the following link to understand why Germans were no longer accepted.
"War CrimesThe division is infamous for its cruelty[1] and massive atrocities committed in the area of Nikšić in Montenegro:
“Everything they came across they burnt down, they murdered and pillaged. The officers and men of the SS division Prinz Eugen committed crimes of an outrageous cruelty on this occasion. The victims were shot, slaughtered and tortured, or burnt to death in burning houses. Where a victim was found not in his house but on the road or in the fields some distance away, he was murdered and burnt there. Infants with their mothers, pregnant women and frail old people were also murdered. In short, every civilian met with by these troops in these villages was murdered. In many cases, whole families who, not expecting such treatment or lacking the time for escape, had remained quietly in their homes were annihilated and murdered. Whole families were thrown into burning houses in many cases and thus burnt. It has been established from the investigations entered upon that 121 persons, mostly women, and including 30 persons aged 60-92 years and 29 children of ages ranging from 6 months to 14 years, were executed on this occasion in the horrible manner narrated above. The villages [and then follows the list of the villages] were burnt down and razed to the ground.""
"Many deaths were attributable to the flight and expulsions, with estimates ranging from 500,000 to 2 million, where modern estimates are close to the lower 500,000 figure. Many German civilians were also sent to internment and labor camps."
Let's just all hope that there will be peace and that the tragedies of WWI and WWII will never happen again. It is also clear that in Europe still a lot of healing remains and without outside influence Balkan countries and people can reach settlements, even if hard compromises have to be made.
write this because I am in opposition and at great odds with those that still celebrate evil and human suffering which taunt and remind those and their families which were their victims.
No one needs to take my word for the contents that I wrote above--google it, if in doubt.
(Stop the Nazis, 1 February 2011 16:24)
Off course if you are one of those who condemn others but in the same brearthe justify Mladic , Karadzic , Milosevic , Seselj . If you are one of those that in the same breathe doesnt condemn -
myths and evil that you yourself have condemned.
If you trully believe and hate evil - condemn the actions of your own Serbs first before you piont the finger of righteousness at anybody else.
(truthiness, 1 February 2011 19:5
No, Iam not one of those,truthiness.
What makes you think that I am a Serb?
I don't see you contesting the contents of my post,or trying to to explain them away. You must still believe that an attack is the best defense, and if you do there will be no end to your suffering. My post is more pro for the people of Croatia than you will probably ever write. All you need to know about me is that I don't believe in violence in any form and that I support all human rights whenever I can. I also know that every Nazi has a diseased mind. The name of the disease is fear. Everywhere Nazis look they see threat,and if none exists they create it.
Fear is the absence of Love.
Thus spake an 'expert' in historical equivalence. Hey genocide, the holocaust, mass extermination, they're all the same aren't they? If the words the same, regardless of facts, that's all that matters then?
Truthiness must have David Irving's whole library on his shelves.
The whole world,especially Germany,which is Croatia's primary sponsor and first to recognize them against America's will, The first to recognize Croatia was Iceland. Serbia was one of the last to be recognized in ex Yugo. Even though Serbia tried to pretend it was Yugoslavia which no agreed with Serbia ,for sure a Serbia is no Yugoslavia.
I write this because I am in opposition and at great odds with those that still celebrate evil and human suffering which taunt and remind those and their families which were their victims.
No one needs to take my word for the contents that I wrote above--google it, if in doubt.
(Stop the Nazis, 1 February 2011 16:24)
Off course if you are one of those who condemn others but in the same brearthe justify Mladic , Karadzic , Milosevic , Seselj . If you are one of those that in the same breathe doesnt condemn - without any reserve - the actions of Serbians in Srebrenica , all of Bosian , the enthic cleanising of all non Serbs in occupied Croatia prioir to Operation Storm . If you look at Kosovo and scream at the top of your lungs that it is only Serbs that are victims without admitting the cause of the NATO camopaign in '99 - then sir , you are one of those that will perpetuate the myths and evil that you yourself have condemned. If you trully believe and hate evil - condemn the actions of your own Serbs first before you piont the finger of righteousness at anybody else.
Remeber you are talking about the Balkans - a place full of glass houses.
It is good that after WWII all ethnic Germans were forced to leave Eastern Europe for good.
(Milan, 1 February 2011, 16:50)
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12 million Germans were expelled, up to 2 millions were killed and not to forget forced labour camps.... For sure the children, females and elderly persons were all guilty... What a great comment!
May he suffer in hell! Thanks US (NOT!)for not handing him over to Serbia earlier so he could have been in front of a judge and that he was forced to visit the locations where he and his Nazi buddies committed their crimes, which would bring back memories so his last days he would have suffered even more. It is good that after WWII all ethnic Germans were forced to leave Eastern Europe for good.
Suspected Nazi war criminal dies
1 February 2011 | 09:33 | Source: Tanjug
SEATTLE -- Suspected Nazi war criminal Peter Egner, whose extradition was requested by Serbia for murdering over 17,000 civilians during WW2, has died at the age of 88.
There are plenty more of Peter Enger's ilk just as evil as he,living and celebrating with their children their Concentration Camp and other evil in present day Baltic states and Croatia. In present day Croatia, the Croatian Catholic priests are still enshrining and glorifying Nazi war criminals publicly. They have been doing this for three generations!(excluding Tito's dictatorship).Yes, they have raised and nurtured three generations of poisoned minds with evil.The new generation in Croatia is also celebrating these evils in concerts with their pop-superstar Thompson. Even the very young ones are witnessing and absorbing these public and Croatian Catholic church commemorations. The whole world,especially Germany,which is Croatia's primary sponsor and first to recognize them against America's will, should be aware that the Croatians are allowing and exhibiting another "stamp of approval" for their future generations. Mr Josipovich will need much help and support to combat and stop this evil and dangerous behavior in his country. Those same Nazis that love to publicly celebrate the recent Operation Storm in which the Serbian civilians were ethnically cleansed and targeted are in great opposition and are threatening the new president.
I write this because I am in opposition and at great odds with those that still celebrate evil and human suffering which taunt and remind those and their families which were their victims.
No one needs to take my word for the contents that I wrote above--google it, if in doubt.
It is good that after WWII all ethnic Germans were forced to leave Eastern Europe for good.
(Milan, 1 February 2011, 16:50)
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12 million Germans were expelled, up to 2 millions were killed and not to forget forced labour camps.... For sure the children, females and elderly persons were all guilty... What a great comment!
I write this because I am in opposition and at great odds with those that still celebrate evil and human suffering which taunt and remind those and their families which were their victims.
No one needs to take my word for the contents that I wrote above--google it, if in doubt.
(Stop the Nazis, 1 February 2011 16:24)
Off course if you are one of those who condemn others but in the same brearthe justify Mladic , Karadzic , Milosevic , Seselj . If you are one of those that in the same breathe doesnt condemn - without any reserve - the actions of Serbians in Srebrenica , all of Bosian , the enthic cleanising of all non Serbs in occupied Croatia prioir to Operation Storm . If you look at Kosovo and scream at the top of your lungs that it is only Serbs that are victims without admitting the cause of the NATO camopaign in '99 - then sir , you are one of those that will perpetuate the myths and evil that you yourself have condemned. If you trully believe and hate evil - condemn the actions of your own Serbs first before you piont the finger of righteousness at anybody else.
Remeber you are talking about the Balkans - a place full of glass houses.
If you post a link you should perhaps bother to read it completly and not only quote those parts that suit you. "The number of deaths and their causes remain a topic of tense debate among historians."
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"Of course the innocent ethnic Germans did not deserve to suffer like they did, but after WWII there was no other alternative considering the sentiments and hatred. Please check the following link to understand why Germans were no longer accepted."
If one follows your logic there should not be a single Serb left in Slovenia, Kroatia, Bosnia (except RS) and Kosovo. Unsettling idea, isn't it?
Basta! - so you compare the Nazi persecutions of the 1930s, 6 years of World War and the Holocaust to the few days it took the JNA to leave Slovenia? I fear you are beneath contempt and beyond help.
***
So there are bad and not so bad wars and you decide which one is which? And the events following Slovenia were for sure only minor skirmishes because you don't find them worth mentioning...
Suspected Nazi war criminal dies
1 February 2011 | 09:33 | Source: Tanjug
SEATTLE -- Suspected Nazi war criminal Peter Egner, whose extradition was requested by Serbia for murdering over 17,000 civilians during WW2, has died at the age of 88.
There are plenty more of Peter Enger's ilk just as evil as he,living and celebrating with their children their Concentration Camp and other evil in present day Baltic states and Croatia. In present day Croatia, the Croatian Catholic priests are still enshrining and glorifying Nazi war criminals publicly. They have been doing this for three generations!(excluding Tito's dictatorship).Yes, they have raised and nurtured three generations of poisoned minds with evil.The new generation in Croatia is also celebrating these evils in concerts with their pop-superstar Thompson. Even the very young ones are witnessing and absorbing these public and Croatian Catholic church commemorations. The whole world,especially Germany,which is Croatia's primary sponsor and first to recognize them against America's will, should be aware that the Croatians are allowing and exhibiting another "stamp of approval" for their future generations. Mr Josipovich will need much help and support to combat and stop this evil and dangerous behavior in his country. Those same Nazis that love to publicly celebrate the recent Operation Storm in which the Serbian civilians were ethnically cleansed and targeted are in great opposition and are threatening the new president.
I write this because I am in opposition and at great odds with those that still celebrate evil and human suffering which taunt and remind those and their families which were their victims.
No one needs to take my word for the contents that I wrote above--google it, if in doubt.
The whole world,especially Germany,which is Croatia's primary sponsor and first to recognize them against America's will, The first to recognize Croatia was Iceland. Serbia was one of the last to be recognized in ex Yugo. Even though Serbia tried to pretend it was Yugoslavia which no agreed with Serbia ,for sure a Serbia is no Yugoslavia.
And this did not only happen in Yugoslavia.
(Milan, 2 February 2011 05:02) Since all that happened Milan why the Serbs did not learn anything from it in WW2. This is what happened in just one place in the country of Bosnia i Herzegovina in the 1990s their were many places with those kind of crimes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi%C5%A1egrad_massacres .
I am afraid that B92 has become a site of mainly Serb-haters and fascist-lovers. A sad sad development conclusion.
(Milan, 2 February 2011 16:00)
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Just in case you were addressing me (which I doubt): Applying your own logic makes one a 'fascist lover'? Last time I have checked there was only one person here who was justifying mass murder and expulsion and that was you!
________________________________________
So in your cynical striving for moral equivalence, you are prepared to compare what you admit were "minor skirmishes" to the planned murder of millions of people. I'm sorry to give in to the prevailing tone of what is often a very angry forum, but you shock me.
(Avi, 2 February 2011 16:2
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Sorry, I did what???
The biggest massacre in Europe after WW2 was committed in Bosnia and with your post you have used up all moral authority.
May he suffer in hell! Thanks US (NOT!)for not handing him over to Serbia earlier so he could have been in front of a judge and that he was forced to visit the locations where he and his Nazi buddies committed their crimes, which would bring back memories so his last days he would have suffered even more. It is good that after WWII all ethnic Germans were forced to leave Eastern Europe for good.
Basta! - so you compare the Nazi persecutions of the 1930s, 6 years of World War and the Holocaust to the few days it took the JNA to leave Slovenia? I fear you are beneath contempt and beyond help.
Truthiness, you too have let yourself down. You must realise that some moral issues are far bigger than the chauvinistic politics which you embrace in your comment.
Basta,
I am not really worried about the numbers of "Recommended" or "Poor Comment" on my postings. In the end that is just a game with multiple votes by one person and informing friends and ask them to vote for or against a posting.
***
Yes, was for sure all me (that’s what your hinting at, isn’t it?). Furthermore I admit to being the kidnapper of the Lindbergh baby and the second shooter at the Kennedy assassination and just by the way: Luke you are my son, yeah that’s me too.
Btw: The Simon Wiesenthal Center’s most wanted list includes two Hungarians, a Croat, Germans/ Austrians, a Dutch, a Dane, a Lithuanian and an Estonian. Any proposals how to deal now with Croats, Hungarians, Dutch, Danes, Lithuanians and Estonians?
So in your cynical striving for moral equivalence, you are prepared to compare what you admit were "minor skirmishes" to the planned murder of millions of people. I'm sorry to give in to the prevailing tone of what is often a very angry forum, but you shock me.
as for "Basta"
my dear friends, do not fall for those cheap attempts by some of our k-albanian friends to post provocations under foreign nick-names or like in this case, by belittling the crimes of Nazi-killers in WW 2.
this all is only aimed at provoking angry comments or even insults against other nations, individuals writing here.
***
And Jovan, feeling better now? Sometimes it really helps to let it all out...
Btw: If you would roll the letter r in your next speech (I know it's a bit difficult in a written text, but you could use double rs) it would increase the dramatic effect. I especially liked the part about 'Serbia will prevail'.
write this because I am in opposition and at great odds with those that still celebrate evil and human suffering which taunt and remind those and their families which were their victims.
No one needs to take my word for the contents that I wrote above--google it, if in doubt.
(Stop the Nazis, 1 February 2011 16:24)
Off course if you are one of those who condemn others but in the same brearthe justify Mladic , Karadzic , Milosevic , Seselj . If you are one of those that in the same breathe doesnt condemn -
myths and evil that you yourself have condemned.
If you trully believe and hate evil - condemn the actions of your own Serbs first before you piont the finger of righteousness at anybody else.
(truthiness, 1 February 2011 19:5
No, Iam not one of those,truthiness.
What makes you think that I am a Serb?
I don't see you contesting the contents of my post,or trying to to explain them away. You must still believe that an attack is the best defense, and if you do there will be no end to your suffering. My post is more pro for the people of Croatia than you will probably ever write. All you need to know about me is that I don't believe in violence in any form and that I support all human rights whenever I can. I also know that every Nazi has a diseased mind. The name of the disease is fear. Everywhere Nazis look they see threat,and if none exists they create it.
Fear is the absence of Love.
"And this did not only happen in Yugoslavia.
(Milan, 2 February 2011 05:02) Since all that happened Milan why the Serbs did not learn anything from it in WW2. This is what happened in just one place in the country of Bosnia i Herzegovina in the 1990s their were many places with those kind of crimes [link] .
(Lenard, 2 February 2011 18:05)"
I do not know and there is probably no simple answer. The only problem is that Croats, Bosniaks, and Albanians also did not learn anything from WWI and WWII, so as usual one cannot point fingers at one specific ethnic group. Under communism everything had to be forgotten because of brotherly love. After Yugoslavia fell apart and nationalistic elements in Croatia and Bosniaks emerged again that showed close resemblance to the Nazi allies in WWII (their hate towards all that is Serb, their desires to dominate Serbs, plus the open support by Germany) something must have been triggered in many Serb minds and strong feelings to finally take revenge emerged. Let me ask you Lenard, did you or any Croat really believe that the Serbs were going to have themselves butchered by Croats for the third time in 80 years? I believe the original topic most of us were supposed to reply to was the death of an ethnic German who had been involved in war crimes during WWII. Do you believe that the US should have extridited him to Serbia to stand trial or do you believe that the US did the right thing not to take away his US citizenship and leave things as they were, even though he got his US citizenship illegially by lying about his WWII past? I just hope he had a rotten life and that his innocent victims visited him every night in his nightmares and that his children and grandchildren were aware of his past and that they openly rejected that part.
"12 million Germans were expelled, up to 2 millions were killed and not to forget forced labour camps.... For sure the children, females and elderly persons were all guilty... What a great comment!
(Basta!, 1 February 2011 18:29)"
How about all the children, females and elderly persons who were killed by the Nazis and their allies? Of course the innocent ethnic Germans did not deserve to suffer like they did, but after WWII there was no other alternative considering the sentiments and hatred. Please check the following link to understand why Germans were no longer accepted.
"War CrimesThe division is infamous for its cruelty[1] and massive atrocities committed in the area of Nikšić in Montenegro:
“Everything they came across they burnt down, they murdered and pillaged. The officers and men of the SS division Prinz Eugen committed crimes of an outrageous cruelty on this occasion. The victims were shot, slaughtered and tortured, or burnt to death in burning houses. Where a victim was found not in his house but on the road or in the fields some distance away, he was murdered and burnt there. Infants with their mothers, pregnant women and frail old people were also murdered. In short, every civilian met with by these troops in these villages was murdered. In many cases, whole families who, not expecting such treatment or lacking the time for escape, had remained quietly in their homes were annihilated and murdered. Whole families were thrown into burning houses in many cases and thus burnt. It has been established from the investigations entered upon that 121 persons, mostly women, and including 30 persons aged 60-92 years and 29 children of ages ranging from 6 months to 14 years, were executed on this occasion in the horrible manner narrated above. The villages [and then follows the list of the villages] were burnt down and razed to the ground.""
"Many deaths were attributable to the flight and expulsions, with estimates ranging from 500,000 to 2 million, where modern estimates are close to the lower 500,000 figure. Many German civilians were also sent to internment and labor camps."
Let's just all hope that there will be peace and that the tragedies of WWI and WWII will never happen again. It is also clear that in Europe still a lot of healing remains and without outside influence Balkan countries and people can reach settlements, even if hard compromises have to be made.
Thus spake an 'expert' in historical equivalence. Hey genocide, the holocaust, mass extermination, they're all the same aren't they? If the words the same, regardless of facts, that's all that matters then?
Truthiness must have David Irving's whole library on his shelves.
I am not really worried about the numbers of "Recommended" or "Poor Comment" on my postings. In the end that is just a game with multiple votes by one person and informing friends and ask them to vote for or against a posting. It is quite clear that if certain subjects are brought up the numbers of "Poor Comment" votes for pro-Serbian goes up dramatically. I am kind of curious about your motivation to condemn the expulsions of ethnic Germans from many parts of Europe so much. My grandfather was tortured and killed by ethnic Germans just a few days before WWII ended and so I do not feel any sympathy for any German who had blood on his or her hands or who supported the Nazis and their allies, both physically or emotionally. I am not going to distance myself from any of the comments I made and it is up to you and others to sense the real tone in them. I do not advocate war or anything bad. Peter Egner did not get what he deserved and that saddens me and many others. I hope that the many Peter Egmers that are still alive will face the justice that they deserved.
my dear friends, do not fall for those cheap attempts by some of our k-albanian friends to post provocations under foreign nick-names or like in this case, by belittling the crimes of Nazi-killers in WW 2.
this all is only aimed at provoking angry comments or even insults against other nations, individuals writing here.
those k-albanians who believe to be so smart by doing that, forget one thing:
they are much to unimportant to be of interest for others in the world. nobody really cares for them anymore.
and that´s quite good, since the times when Albanians have scored with propaganda are definitely over.
now the truth is coming up, and that´s what makes them so frustrated and angry.
Ceric visist Auschwitz. Calls The Holocaust genocide and then says "genocide like 'genocide in srebrenica". That's one sick puppy. Sad to see some posters here who think the same.
Suspected Nazi war criminal dies
1 February 2011 | 09:33 | Source: Tanjug
SEATTLE -- Suspected Nazi war criminal Peter Egner, whose extradition was requested by Serbia for murdering over 17,000 civilians during WW2, has died at the age of 88.
There are plenty more of Peter Enger's ilk just as evil as he,living and celebrating with their children their Concentration Camp and other evil in present day Baltic states and Croatia. In present day Croatia, the Croatian Catholic priests are still enshrining and glorifying Nazi war criminals publicly. They have been doing this for three generations!(excluding Tito's dictatorship).Yes, they have raised and nurtured three generations of poisoned minds with evil.The new generation in Croatia is also celebrating these evils in concerts with their pop-superstar Thompson. Even the very young ones are witnessing and absorbing these public and Croatian Catholic church commemorations. The whole world,especially Germany,which is Croatia's primary sponsor and first to recognize them against America's will, should be aware that the Croatians are allowing and exhibiting another "stamp of approval" for their future generations. Mr Josipovich will need much help and support to combat and stop this evil and dangerous behavior in his country. Those same Nazis that love to publicly celebrate the recent Operation Storm in which the Serbian civilians were ethnically cleansed and targeted are in great opposition and are threatening the new president.
I write this because I am in opposition and at great odds with those that still celebrate evil and human suffering which taunt and remind those and their families which were their victims.
No one needs to take my word for the contents that I wrote above--google it, if in doubt.
May he suffer in hell! Thanks US (NOT!)for not handing him over to Serbia earlier so he could have been in front of a judge and that he was forced to visit the locations where he and his Nazi buddies committed their crimes, which would bring back memories so his last days he would have suffered even more. It is good that after WWII all ethnic Germans were forced to leave Eastern Europe for good.
"12 million Germans were expelled, up to 2 millions were killed and not to forget forced labour camps.... For sure the children, females and elderly persons were all guilty... What a great comment!
(Basta!, 1 February 2011 18:29)"
How about all the children, females and elderly persons who were killed by the Nazis and their allies? Of course the innocent ethnic Germans did not deserve to suffer like they did, but after WWII there was no other alternative considering the sentiments and hatred. Please check the following link to understand why Germans were no longer accepted.
"War CrimesThe division is infamous for its cruelty[1] and massive atrocities committed in the area of Nikšić in Montenegro:
“Everything they came across they burnt down, they murdered and pillaged. The officers and men of the SS division Prinz Eugen committed crimes of an outrageous cruelty on this occasion. The victims were shot, slaughtered and tortured, or burnt to death in burning houses. Where a victim was found not in his house but on the road or in the fields some distance away, he was murdered and burnt there. Infants with their mothers, pregnant women and frail old people were also murdered. In short, every civilian met with by these troops in these villages was murdered. In many cases, whole families who, not expecting such treatment or lacking the time for escape, had remained quietly in their homes were annihilated and murdered. Whole families were thrown into burning houses in many cases and thus burnt. It has been established from the investigations entered upon that 121 persons, mostly women, and including 30 persons aged 60-92 years and 29 children of ages ranging from 6 months to 14 years, were executed on this occasion in the horrible manner narrated above. The villages [and then follows the list of the villages] were burnt down and razed to the ground.""
"Many deaths were attributable to the flight and expulsions, with estimates ranging from 500,000 to 2 million, where modern estimates are close to the lower 500,000 figure. Many German civilians were also sent to internment and labor camps."
Let's just all hope that there will be peace and that the tragedies of WWI and WWII will never happen again. It is also clear that in Europe still a lot of healing remains and without outside influence Balkan countries and people can reach settlements, even if hard compromises have to be made.
So in your cynical striving for moral equivalence, you are prepared to compare what you admit were "minor skirmishes" to the planned murder of millions of people. I'm sorry to give in to the prevailing tone of what is often a very angry forum, but you shock me.
Thus spake an 'expert' in historical equivalence. Hey genocide, the holocaust, mass extermination, they're all the same aren't they? If the words the same, regardless of facts, that's all that matters then?
Truthiness must have David Irving's whole library on his shelves.
write this because I am in opposition and at great odds with those that still celebrate evil and human suffering which taunt and remind those and their families which were their victims.
No one needs to take my word for the contents that I wrote above--google it, if in doubt.
(Stop the Nazis, 1 February 2011 16:24)
Off course if you are one of those who condemn others but in the same brearthe justify Mladic , Karadzic , Milosevic , Seselj . If you are one of those that in the same breathe doesnt condemn -
myths and evil that you yourself have condemned.
If you trully believe and hate evil - condemn the actions of your own Serbs first before you piont the finger of righteousness at anybody else.
(truthiness, 1 February 2011 19:5
No, Iam not one of those,truthiness.
What makes you think that I am a Serb?
I don't see you contesting the contents of my post,or trying to to explain them away. You must still believe that an attack is the best defense, and if you do there will be no end to your suffering. My post is more pro for the people of Croatia than you will probably ever write. All you need to know about me is that I don't believe in violence in any form and that I support all human rights whenever I can. I also know that every Nazi has a diseased mind. The name of the disease is fear. Everywhere Nazis look they see threat,and if none exists they create it.
Fear is the absence of Love.
Basta! - so you compare the Nazi persecutions of the 1930s, 6 years of World War and the Holocaust to the few days it took the JNA to leave Slovenia? I fear you are beneath contempt and beyond help.
Truthiness, you too have let yourself down. You must realise that some moral issues are far bigger than the chauvinistic politics which you embrace in your comment.
"And this did not only happen in Yugoslavia.
(Milan, 2 February 2011 05:02) Since all that happened Milan why the Serbs did not learn anything from it in WW2. This is what happened in just one place in the country of Bosnia i Herzegovina in the 1990s their were many places with those kind of crimes [link] .
(Lenard, 2 February 2011 18:05)"
I do not know and there is probably no simple answer. The only problem is that Croats, Bosniaks, and Albanians also did not learn anything from WWI and WWII, so as usual one cannot point fingers at one specific ethnic group. Under communism everything had to be forgotten because of brotherly love. After Yugoslavia fell apart and nationalistic elements in Croatia and Bosniaks emerged again that showed close resemblance to the Nazi allies in WWII (their hate towards all that is Serb, their desires to dominate Serbs, plus the open support by Germany) something must have been triggered in many Serb minds and strong feelings to finally take revenge emerged. Let me ask you Lenard, did you or any Croat really believe that the Serbs were going to have themselves butchered by Croats for the third time in 80 years? I believe the original topic most of us were supposed to reply to was the death of an ethnic German who had been involved in war crimes during WWII. Do you believe that the US should have extridited him to Serbia to stand trial or do you believe that the US did the right thing not to take away his US citizenship and leave things as they were, even though he got his US citizenship illegially by lying about his WWII past? I just hope he had a rotten life and that his innocent victims visited him every night in his nightmares and that his children and grandchildren were aware of his past and that they openly rejected that part.
my dear friends, do not fall for those cheap attempts by some of our k-albanian friends to post provocations under foreign nick-names or like in this case, by belittling the crimes of Nazi-killers in WW 2.
this all is only aimed at provoking angry comments or even insults against other nations, individuals writing here.
those k-albanians who believe to be so smart by doing that, forget one thing:
they are much to unimportant to be of interest for others in the world. nobody really cares for them anymore.
and that´s quite good, since the times when Albanians have scored with propaganda are definitely over.
now the truth is coming up, and that´s what makes them so frustrated and angry.
I am not really worried about the numbers of "Recommended" or "Poor Comment" on my postings. In the end that is just a game with multiple votes by one person and informing friends and ask them to vote for or against a posting. It is quite clear that if certain subjects are brought up the numbers of "Poor Comment" votes for pro-Serbian goes up dramatically. I am kind of curious about your motivation to condemn the expulsions of ethnic Germans from many parts of Europe so much. My grandfather was tortured and killed by ethnic Germans just a few days before WWII ended and so I do not feel any sympathy for any German who had blood on his or her hands or who supported the Nazis and their allies, both physically or emotionally. I am not going to distance myself from any of the comments I made and it is up to you and others to sense the real tone in them. I do not advocate war or anything bad. Peter Egner did not get what he deserved and that saddens me and many others. I hope that the many Peter Egmers that are still alive will face the justice that they deserved.
I write this because I am in opposition and at great odds with those that still celebrate evil and human suffering which taunt and remind those and their families which were their victims.
No one needs to take my word for the contents that I wrote above--google it, if in doubt.
(Stop the Nazis, 1 February 2011 16:24)
Off course if you are one of those who condemn others but in the same brearthe justify Mladic , Karadzic , Milosevic , Seselj . If you are one of those that in the same breathe doesnt condemn - without any reserve - the actions of Serbians in Srebrenica , all of Bosian , the enthic cleanising of all non Serbs in occupied Croatia prioir to Operation Storm . If you look at Kosovo and scream at the top of your lungs that it is only Serbs that are victims without admitting the cause of the NATO camopaign in '99 - then sir , you are one of those that will perpetuate the myths and evil that you yourself have condemned. If you trully believe and hate evil - condemn the actions of your own Serbs first before you piont the finger of righteousness at anybody else.
Remeber you are talking about the Balkans - a place full of glass houses.
The whole world,especially Germany,which is Croatia's primary sponsor and first to recognize them against America's will, The first to recognize Croatia was Iceland. Serbia was one of the last to be recognized in ex Yugo. Even though Serbia tried to pretend it was Yugoslavia which no agreed with Serbia ,for sure a Serbia is no Yugoslavia.
It is good that after WWII all ethnic Germans were forced to leave Eastern Europe for good.
(Milan, 1 February 2011, 16:50)
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12 million Germans were expelled, up to 2 millions were killed and not to forget forced labour camps.... For sure the children, females and elderly persons were all guilty... What a great comment!
If you post a link you should perhaps bother to read it completly and not only quote those parts that suit you. "The number of deaths and their causes remain a topic of tense debate among historians."
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"Of course the innocent ethnic Germans did not deserve to suffer like they did, but after WWII there was no other alternative considering the sentiments and hatred. Please check the following link to understand why Germans were no longer accepted."
If one follows your logic there should not be a single Serb left in Slovenia, Kroatia, Bosnia (except RS) and Kosovo. Unsettling idea, isn't it?
I am afraid that B92 has become a site of mainly Serb-haters and fascist-lovers. A sad sad development conclusion.
(Milan, 2 February 2011 16:00)
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Just in case you were addressing me (which I doubt): Applying your own logic makes one a 'fascist lover'? Last time I have checked there was only one person here who was justifying mass murder and expulsion and that was you!
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So in your cynical striving for moral equivalence, you are prepared to compare what you admit were "minor skirmishes" to the planned murder of millions of people. I'm sorry to give in to the prevailing tone of what is often a very angry forum, but you shock me.
(Avi, 2 February 2011 16:2
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Sorry, I did what???
The biggest massacre in Europe after WW2 was committed in Bosnia and with your post you have used up all moral authority.
Basta! - so you compare the Nazi persecutions of the 1930s, 6 years of World War and the Holocaust to the few days it took the JNA to leave Slovenia? I fear you are beneath contempt and beyond help.
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So there are bad and not so bad wars and you decide which one is which? And the events following Slovenia were for sure only minor skirmishes because you don't find them worth mentioning...
Ceric visist Auschwitz. Calls The Holocaust genocide and then says "genocide like 'genocide in srebrenica". That's one sick puppy. Sad to see some posters here who think the same.
as for "Basta"
my dear friends, do not fall for those cheap attempts by some of our k-albanian friends to post provocations under foreign nick-names or like in this case, by belittling the crimes of Nazi-killers in WW 2.
this all is only aimed at provoking angry comments or even insults against other nations, individuals writing here.
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And Jovan, feeling better now? Sometimes it really helps to let it all out...
Btw: If you would roll the letter r in your next speech (I know it's a bit difficult in a written text, but you could use double rs) it would increase the dramatic effect. I especially liked the part about 'Serbia will prevail'.
Basta,
I am not really worried about the numbers of "Recommended" or "Poor Comment" on my postings. In the end that is just a game with multiple votes by one person and informing friends and ask them to vote for or against a posting.
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Yes, was for sure all me (that’s what your hinting at, isn’t it?). Furthermore I admit to being the kidnapper of the Lindbergh baby and the second shooter at the Kennedy assassination and just by the way: Luke you are my son, yeah that’s me too.
Btw: The Simon Wiesenthal Center’s most wanted list includes two Hungarians, a Croat, Germans/ Austrians, a Dutch, a Dane, a Lithuanian and an Estonian. Any proposals how to deal now with Croats, Hungarians, Dutch, Danes, Lithuanians and Estonians?
And this did not only happen in Yugoslavia.
(Milan, 2 February 2011 05:02) Since all that happened Milan why the Serbs did not learn anything from it in WW2. This is what happened in just one place in the country of Bosnia i Herzegovina in the 1990s their were many places with those kind of crimes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi%C5%A1egrad_massacres .
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