"Kosovo organ probe must take place"

I'll bet Madeleine Albright is proud now.

"Financial time writes:EU and US are expected to allow the investigation into organ trade in Kosovo after Marty report was adopted".Troublesome word here is ALLOW.Since this heinous crime was committed in the presence of approximately 50,000.NATO'S troops authorized by UNSC resolution 1244 to enter and restore law and order in that troublesome Serbian Province of Kosovo
Therefore,its imperative that UNSC oversee the
investigation of the organ trade.
Russia and China should actively
participate as the other 3 permanent
members are all ready into it up to their necks.Failure of all 5 permanent UNSC
members of participating would permanently stain the investigation and consequent outcome of the trial.From
the beginning of disintegration of
former Yugoslavia to date. The WEST has
committed,on numerous occasion,
serious crime against Serbian Nation.

What justified the bombing is the fact that Milosevic was targeting civilians and the conflict showed no signs of stopping. NATO, taking into account Milosevic's actions in Bosnia and the atrocities that happened there as a result of inactions from intenational comminty, decided to act sooner rather than later to stop a conflict that would have resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths and probably still continuing today.

You Albanians certainly had many, many more rights then then the Serbs do now. You cant even proove that Ethnic Cleansing took place at all, because somehow as soon as the bombing began the refugee count jumped from 0 (first external refugee was registered 3 days after the bombing began) to 800,000, and while Milosevic was on trial, no one could proove that he ordered ethnic cleansing, also several post war Nato reports said that the Yugoslav govt hadnt sponsored ethnic cleansing. You go on about non existant massacres, and how Slobodan is guilty (despite no evidence) and that Thaci is innocent (despite plenty of evidence). Tell me, how do you say "Ignorance" in albanian?

What ethnic cleansing of Albanians? It was the reverse. When will they stop buying this nonsense. Populatiion movements started AFTER NATo bombed. The Albanians were offered the widest possible autonomy, language in schools etc.. Of 10000 civilians killed almost 50% were Serbs and non-Albanians with 15% of population. It's time to stop the disinformation.

Lastly, Serbia must not exploit the affair to destabilize Kosovo – whose independence remains in the region’s best long-term interests," believes the paper.
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So the policy of the US/EU was to allow organ, people, drug trafficking, abductions, murder and a host of other heinous crimes for the sake of some perceived stability? It's the same all over the world, the mafia pay off the police and are allowed to continue with their crimes as long as there is some kind of stability. However, this doesn't tend to last very long and it is an absolutely disgusting policy.

AGIM
Are you confused?
Another word for Homeland is"One's native land."
I shall remind you Kosovo is Serbian Native land. that Albanians settled in with the help of Turks, since Serbs kept leaving because of Ottoman pressure the land became empty.

Now again what ethnic cleansing???/
On wikipedia i can see that kosovo has a population of 1.8mil and 92% is Albanian!
Enlighten me who is ethnically cleansed?
A Hint Albanians where 81% in 1991
75% in 1981. in Kosovo
So who was ethnically cleansed NO Albanians, you just need to look up the demographics of Yugoslavia/kosovo.
And that operation horseshoe never happened if it happened then Kosovo would still be part of Serbia and no albanians would live there, so you get it.
Dont play the VICTIM!

P.S
You got your own homeland Named:Albania
And pls drop your greater albania dream!

"For another, Marty’s balanced report unequivocally condemns Serbian war crimes, noting that Kosovo’s ethnic Albanians “suffered horrendous violence” as a result of the “insane ethnic cleansing policy” of the dictatorial Slobodan Milosevic."

This thing shouldn't be forgotten! Some Serbs seem to ignore it. Of course it can never be an excuse for the crimes committed by criminal Albanian sub-groups of the KLA, but you can see how it all started.
(Top, 28 January 2011 11:07)
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No Top, we haven't forgotten but most people have forgotten that the alleged ethnic cleansing started *after* NATO started bombing. And the reason they started bombing was because Serbia did not accept the Rambouillet agreement which would have had all of Serbia occupied and given "Kosova" independence. After the war those two conditions were dropped in UNSCR1244.

You see, there are many factors responsible for the disaster that took place in the 90s - NATO, Serbians, K-Albanians. That's something we shouldn't forget as it was NATO who opened the gates of hell and it seems left open.

It is certainly unraveling now. Even the US is concerned about their ally’s ability to run a state. Hey, US why haven’t you taught the Albanians about transparency in government? You’ve had 12 years.
I have told you that more is on the way and it certainly is.

In my opinion Hashim Thaci faces a difficult choice whether to accept the report and surrender to the Western law enforcement, or insist on his innocence, thus closing his domain to any outside interference and turning himself into the leader of a “rogue state”. Accordingly, the West is also facing a difficult problem – whether to persist in its adherence to the “universal principles of human rights” and thus abandon its own minion, or acknowledge that the whole story the creation of Kosovo was from the very beginning based false inputs, and now resembles all the principles of a Fascist state combined with the corruption of Somalia

As long as the investigators aren't the same puppet-masters that allowed the crimes to happen in the first place. The UN should head the investigation and prosecution of the morbid narco-politician and drive the last nails into their coffin as they are dying anyway from 3rdWorld style corruption

What is there to say, the US wanted to break Kosovo away from the then Yugoslavia, and Milosevic's rule, and propped up KLA criminals in positions of leadership after the bombing stopped. It is a filthy scenario from every perspective. Milosevic was a nut case, the KLA was created by Kosovar Albanian mafia criminals, the USA was looking to advance their geopolitical presence, and further stifle Russia. And here we are folks, the dirty laundry is out, and the truth, as it always does, will come out. Some heads will roll, many deals will be made, huge amounts of money will flow, and Kosovo will remain an US/EU protectorate. Will the dead souls rest better, will the grieving families grieve less, probably not. And so go the games that the world's powers play, at the expense of the innocent and defenseless.

What ethnic cleansing of Albanians? It was the reverse. When will they stop buying this nonsense. Populatiion movements started AFTER NATo bombed. The Albanians were offered the widest possible autonomy, language in schools etc.. Of 10000 civilians killed almost 50% were Serbs and non-Albanians with 15% of population. It's time to stop the disinformation.
(Zeka, 28 January 2011 12:02)

Ethnic cleansing in small numbers was going on way before the bombing, but you are right Zeka, right after NATO bombs were dropped on Serbia the operation code name " Horse shoe" was put in effect by Miloshevic. I hope you heard about that one and what it meant!? Close to mil K-Albanians expelled from their homeland of Kosova.

"A former U.S. ambassador to Priština has observed that unless blatantly corrupt, high-ranking officials are arrested, Kosovo’s people will conclude that “the government is little more than a kleptocracy”, the FT writes."

Let's hope those words will be followed by some actions. EULEX has been much too tolerant when it comes to clean up corruption. Now that it became obvious, after the elections, that the people in Kosovo themselves were not willing to elect a clean government (but decided to vote again for the same corrupt and criminal persons and parties again), it's up to EULEX to start proceedings and get those persons finally out of their offices.

"For another, Marty’s balanced report unequivocally condemns Serbian war crimes, noting that Kosovo’s ethnic Albanians “suffered horrendous violence” as a result of the “insane ethnic cleansing policy” of the dictatorial Slobodan Milosevic."

This thing shouldn't be forgotten! Some Serbs seem to ignore it. Of course it can never be an excuse for the crimes committed by criminal Albanian sub-groups of the KLA, but you can see how it all started.

"What ethnic cleansing of Albanians? It was the reverse. When will they stop buying this nonsense. Populatiion movements started AFTER NATo bombed. The Albanians were offered the widest possible autonomy, language in schools etc.. Of 10000 civilians killed almost 50% were Serbs and non-Albanians with 15% of population. It's time to stop the disinformation.
(Zeka, 28 January 2011 12:02) "

Can I say that you are questioning the accuracy of the Dick Marty report?

Answer me this: if albanians were leaving as a result of NATO bombs, as you state, how come hardly any serbs left Serbia or Kosovo durign the NATO bombing as a result of these bombs? Are you saying that NATO was targeting albanians?! Are you saying that serbs are bomb-proof and had no reason to flee?!!

It is a very simple question and hopefully whilst you are thinking of what answer to write, maybe a part of you will realise how illogical and wrong your first statement was.

AGIM
Are you confused?
Another word for Homeland is"One's native land."
I shall remind you Kosovo is Serbian Native land. that Albanians settled in with the help of Turks, since Serbs kept leaving because of Ottoman pressure the land became empty.

Now again what ethnic cleansing???/
On wikipedia i can see that kosovo has a population of 1.8mil and 92% is Albanian!
Enlighten me who is ethnically cleansed?
A Hint Albanians where 81% in 1991
75% in 1981. in Kosovo
So who was ethnically cleansed NO Albanians, you just need to look up the demographics of Yugoslavia/kosovo.
And that operation horseshoe never happened if it happened then Kosovo would still be part of Serbia and no albanians would live there, so you get it.
Dont play the VICTIM!

P.S
You got your own homeland Named:Albania
And pls drop your greater albania dream!
(Stevie, 28 January 2011 14:58)

Let me see, what are Serbs doing in Vojvodina. It appears that 70% of the province is populated by Serbs, a place which not too long ago belonged to Austria-Hungary.

What are Serbs doing int Croatia? Why isn't Krajina within Serbia? What are Serbs doing in BH. What is this Republica Srpska with a million or so Serbs doing within another state? What are Serbs doing in MonteNegro, what are Serbs doing in Kosova?
It appears that Serbs has this tendency to move around a lot and infringe in the surrounding territories, don't ya think?
My point is that if you believe that Albanians settled into Kosova due to some historical circumstances, that is also completely legitimate. If you don't agree with this, look at what you have done to others.
I expect you to say that the whole Balkans is Serbian land and that will put an end to this discussion.

What ethnic cleansing of Albanians? It was the reverse. When will they stop buying this nonsense. Populatiion movements started AFTER NATo bombed. The Albanians were offered the widest possible autonomy, language in schools etc.. Of 10000 civilians killed almost 50% were Serbs and non-Albanians with 15% of population. It's time to stop the disinformation.
(Zeka, 28 January 2011 12:02)
How can a person possibly write its time to stop the disinformation at the end of a paragraph that holds not one truth??

Original topic: "Kosovo organ probe must take place"


versus miri-topic (the better part of it):


My point is that if you believe that Albanians settled into Kosova due to some historical circumstances, that is also completely legitimate. If you don't agree with this, look at what you have done to others.
I expect you to say that the whole Balkans is Serbian land and that will put an end to this discussion.
(miri, 28 January 2011 16:29)

1) I never seen anyone would say Albanians settling in Kosovo was not legitimate.
2) I never seen anyone say seriously that the whole Balkans is Serbian land.
3) I fail to see how your point is connected to the original topic, i.e.

"Kosovo organ probe must take place"

Unless of course you want to say:

"Kosovo organ probe must NOT take place because the whole Balkans is not Serbian land". This is an opinion - if it's yours, just tell straight.

"Ethnic cleansing in small numbers was going on way before the bombing
(Agim Kelmendi, 28 January 2011 13:06)

Faleminderit, Agim - you just did admit : "Ethnic cleansing in small numbers" and "before the bombing".

So what did justify the bombing - "Ethnic cleansing in small numbers"? Monica? Imperialist ambitions?
(Je¿ bombowy, klintonowy, oralno-seksualny i imperialistyczny, 28 January 2011 16:43) "

What justified the bombing is the fact that Milosevic was targeting civilians and the conflict showed no signs of stopping. NATO, taking into account Milosevic's actions in Bosnia and the atrocities that happened there as a result of inactions from intenational comminty, decided to act sooner rather than later to stop a conflict that would have resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths and probably still continuing today.

Do not blame albanians or CIA for propaganda - it is your dear Sloba that was stupid enough to make the same mistake twice by targeting civilians. Had Milosevic not revoked basic humans rights from albanians and had serbs taken a more measure response and only targeted of what was the KLA at the time, instead of killing women, children, elderly, burning, raping, looting etc etc... it is more than likely that Kosovo today would be an autonomy within Serbia.

Ethnic cleansing in small numbers was going on way before the bombing
(Agim Kelmendi, 28 January 2011 13:06)

Faleminderit, Agim - you just did admit : "Ethnic cleansing in small numbers" and "before the bombing".

So what did justify the bombing - "Ethnic cleansing in small numbers"? Monica? Imperialist ambitions?
(Je¿ bombowy, klintonowy, oralno-seksualny i imperialistyczny, 28 January 2011 16:43)

If you do some math, small number and 1 mil , it will not be such small as you may think. Read my entire comment and compare the small number next to 1 million.

Answer me this: if albanians were leaving as a result of NATO bombs, as you state, how come hardly any serbs left Serbia or Kosovo durign the NATO bombing as a result of these bombs? Are you saying that NATO was targeting albanians?! Are you saying that serbs are bomb-proof and had no reason to flee?!!

It is a very simple question and hopefully whilst you are thinking of what answer to write, maybe a part of you will realise how illogical and wrong your first statement was.
(nikshala, 28 January 2011 14:37)

It's called courage and bravery. Many of the NATO targets were bridges. While the Albanians were fleeing Kosovo because of the bombing the Serbs were having a concert on some bridges with "Targets" pinned to their shirts. They were well aware of the fact that they were not bomb-proof.

Do not blame albanians or CIA for propaganda - it is your dear Sloba that was stupid enough to make the same mistake twice by targeting civilians. Had Milosevic not revoked basic humans rights from albanians and had serbs taken a more measure response and only targeted of what was the KLA at the time, instead of killing women, children, elderly, burning, raping, looting etc etc...
(nikshala, 28 January 2011 18:37)
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Selective memory at its best. The UN observer mission at the time (before the bombing started) stated that the KLA was by far the greatest violator of the ceasefire.

It was obvious at the time they tried to provoke Serbia and NATO wanted to bomb Serbia. They offered an impossible Rambouillet agreement, staged Racak and the rest is history. UNSCR1244 is still in force and ensures "Kosova" will never become a legitimate state.

agim,
funny enough you mentioned operation horseshoe. it has been effectively demonstrated that operation horseshoe was a red herring. it was never either implmented or planned to be. and furthermore it's also interesting to note that all claims of operation horseshoe came well after operation bomb the hell out of yugoslavia. but thanks for playing.
watch 'it began with a lie', a german (long strong albanian allies) documentary, about 1999 kosovo situation. it's full of actual investigative detail and not speculative propaganda.
also, on another note, feel free to use that documentary as a source for the 230000+ list of ethnically cleansed serbians. perhaps finding all of those people alive and well can dispell dick marty's report too.

Let me see, what are Serbs doing in Vojvodina. It appears that 70% of the province is populated by Serbs, a place which not too long ago belonged to Austria-Hungary.
(miri, 28 January 2011 16:29)

The answer to your rhetorical post is that the Serbs were foreced out of Kosovo, their ancestral homes after the battle of Kosovo in 1389 . That is when the Turks installed many fantatical Phanariots which included Greek, Albanians and some Serbs. The 500 year occupation of Kosovo and Metohia began as well as the migration of Serbian civilians.

The Serbs were fled and many Kosovo serbs migrated to Vojvodina, Bosnia &Herzergonina and the Krajina frontier.

Nikoa Tesla, one of the greatest scientiest to be born traces his ancestry to Kosovo;

1389 - His paternal origin is thought to be of the Draganic family from the Tara valley area below the geographical entity known as Old Vlach, from one of the local Serb clans; however genealogical research shows that Nikola is from the Herzegovinian noble Komnenovic ...His paternal origin is thought to be of the Draganic family from the Tara valley area below the geographical entity known as Old Vlach, from one of the local Serb clans; however genealogical research shows that Nikola is from the Herzegovinian noble Komnenovic (modern-day Old Herzegovina in Montenegro), from its Orlovic subgroup that traces its origin from the semi-mythic Pavle Orlovic that bore Prince Lazar's banner at the Battle of Kosovo in 1389.
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Part of current Montenegro has a part of Methohia in its current borders.

The final justice is that no matter what, the Serbs always respected the gravesite of King Murad who was killed by Milos Obelic in the fields of the blackbirds in 1389, his grave remains untounched; the same cannot be said for the Albanian fanatics who desecrate the graves of Serbians; a despicable act tha t should be condemnned by all.

3) I fail to see how your point is connected to the original topic, i.e.


(Ataman, 28 January 2011 17:40)

I fail to see how your comment, that disputes my comment on the ground of not being related to the original article, is related to my comment which in turn was related to another comment by another commenter that was not related to original article.
Hope I was transparent enough!

Ethnic cleansing in small numbers was going on way before the bombing
(Agim Kelmendi, 28 January 2011 13:06)

Faleminderit, Agim - you just did admit : "Ethnic cleansing in small numbers" and "before the bombing".

So what did justify the bombing - "Ethnic cleansing in small numbers"? Monica? Imperialist ambitions?

You mean Ratko Mladic's arrest must take place sometime in the future.
(ivan, 28 January 2011 16:37)

There are folks saying that right after Tony Blair, Mladic converted to Catholicism and the church enrolled him in their protection program for the Croatian Nazis. He figures he is forever safe as long as he is a Catholic war criminal. Besides, where else can you pay to stay out of hell or buy your way into Heaven? Or a Croatian Nazi war criminal like Archbishop Stepinac be made into a "saint" and have institutions named after him.

Answer me this: if albanians were leaving as a result of NATO bombs, as you state, how come hardly any serbs left Serbia or Kosovo durign the NATO bombing as a result of these bombs? Are you saying that NATO was targeting albanians?! Are you saying that serbs are bomb-proof and had no reason to flee?!!

It is a very simple question and hopefully whilst you are thinking of what answer to write, maybe a part of you will realise how illogical and wrong your first statement was.
(nikshala, 28 January 2011 14:37)

Your simple question has a very simple answer, against Rugova's wishes, the Albanians were ordered to leave their homes by your beloved KLA terrorists in order to creat anarchy and justify the bombing.

That does not preclude that the Jugoslav army did clean out some villages suspected of harboring KLA terrorists who murdered Serbians and Albanians against the KLA.

Ademi death was not at the hands of the Serbian MUP as most Albanians would like to think; he was assassinated by the KLA.

EULEX has been a failure on arresting corrupt officials. As for Marty's report, an investigation is not what Serbs want and they know. So go EULEX, investigate it.

Dear Serbs, tell us where did this organ extraction supposedly happen?

Let me see, what are Albanians doing in Kosovo. It appears that 95% of the province is populated by Albanians, a place which not too long ago belonged to Ottomam-Empire.

What are Albanians doing in Macedonia? Why isn't Presevo within Albania? What are Albanians doing in Greece. What is this Epirus with a million or so Albanians doing within another state? What are Albanians doing in Montenegro, what are Albanians doing in Serbia? What were Albanians doing in Yugoslavia?
It appears that Albanians have this tendency to move around a lot and infringe in the surrounding territories, don't ya think?
My point is that if you believe that Serbians settled into Kosovo due to some historical circumstances, that is also completely legitimate. If you don't agree with this, look at what you have done to others.
I expect you to say that the whole Balkans is Albanian land and that will put an end to this discussion.

"The Albanians were offered the widest possible autonomy, language in schools etc.. "
(Zeka, 28 January 2011 12:02)
This 'were' must refer to the pre-Milosevic era, I think ;-)

Thank you, Ataman, for closing the mouth of people like Miri, that cannot see or think rationally due to their blind hate for anything Serbian. The Marty findings must be now thoroughly investigated by an unbiased and neutral prosecutor, and not a part of incompetent Eulex, that is knee deep in associations and partnerships with Pristina, and hopefully bring to trial and prosecute any responsible party of group. Enough with the back and forth finger pointing between Serbs and Albanians. Let's just work on exposing and ridding Kosovo of criminals, so that the people there can enjoy a better, safer, and more secure like.

You mean Ratko Mladic's arrest must take place sometime in the future.

bla bla bla the independence will never change.

When this fairytale ends with nothing serbs will say albanians killed witnesses, america saved albanian skin and the investegator were from countrys wich have recognized Kosovo

"Do not blame albanians or CIA for propaganda - it is your dear Sloba that was stupid enough to make the same mistake twice by targeting civilians. Had Milosevic not revoked basic humans rights from albanians and had serbs taken a more measure response and only targeted of what was the KLA at the time, instead of killing women, children, elderly, burning, raping, looting etc etc... it is more than likely that Kosovo today would be an autonomy within Serbia.
(nikshala, 28 January 2011 18:37)


The Serbian paramilitary and their actions were a manifestation and a response to the Albanian and KLA actions towards the Serbian civilians.I don't condone,approve,or justify their actions by any means,especially the organ harvesting by the KLA. Stop playing the blame game before you get too old and die. Work towards peace and reconciliation and learn to enjoy life again-the children deserve better!

"Do not blame albanians or CIA for propaganda - it is your dear Sloba that was stupid enough to make the same mistake twice by targeting civilians. Had Milosevic not revoked basic humans rights from albanians and had serbs taken a more measure response and only targeted of what was the KLA at the time, instead of killing women, children, elderly, burning, raping, looting etc etc... it is more than likely that Kosovo today would be an autonomy within Serbia.
(nikshala, 28 January 2011 18:37)

It doesn't happen often, but this time I can 100% agree to a posting by a person from Kosovo. Bravo, Nikshala!

Agim!

"Ethnic cleansing in small numbers was going on way before the bombing..."

Yes, it did.
British parliamentary committee was established after the bombing, and concluded that majority of civilian victims ( 69%) were victims of KLA.

Here is what British defense secretary George Robertson said during parliamentary testimony: "Up until (January 1999) the KLA were responsible for more deaths in Kosovo than the Yugoslav authorities had been"


http://books.google.com.au/books?id=4E7hUjI-MmsC&pg=PA181&lpg=PA181&dq=%22KLA+were+responsible+for+more+deaths+in+Kosovo+than+the+Yugoslav+authorities+had+been%E2%80%9D&source=bl&ots=J9D7N3bGnI&sig=wxkrASmjXfgNdTlUZlutMpVHXuY&hl=en&ei=YceNTOGvD4KlcfTz6KoE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CDUQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=%22KLA%20were%20responsible%20for%20more%20deaths%20in%20Kosovo%20than%20the%20Yugoslav%20authorities%20had%20been%E2%80%9D&f=false


As you can see ethnic cleansing was happening.


"Horseshoe" was already on trial - in Hague! It was dropped from list of evidence against the Milosevic, because it appeared that it's not of Serbian origin, but prepared by some other intelligence service. I'll give you a clue - in original Serbo-Croatian plan is called "Potkova" which is Croatian version of "Potkovica"...

You mean Ratko Mladic's arrest must take place sometime in the future.
(ivan, 28 January 2011 16:37)
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Why must you turn every topic into Mladic topic?
What has Mladic got to do with this article?
Please stay on topic or just get lost. I'm sure I am not the only one sick of your repeating yourself over and over and over.

bla bla bla the independence will never change.

When this fairytale ends with nothing serbs will say albanians killed witnesses, america saved albanian skin and the investegator were from countrys wich have recognized Kosovo
(demi, 29 January 2011 00:18)

Thankfully the Serbs wont have to say anything now since you said it and laid it down in proper order.

"3) I fail to see how your point is connected to the original topic, i.e."
(Ataman, 28 January 2011 17:40)

This is funny...Ataman is criticizing somebody for going off topic. Made my day.

Here is a link about hedgehogs
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Albanian donkeys, albanian donkeys i am so funny:
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Giorgio Basta, Giorgio Basta:
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I really like to talk about illyrians:
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"Financial time writes:EU and US are expected to allow the investigation into organ trade in Kosovo after Marty report was adopted".Troublesome word here is ALLOW.Since this heinous crime was committed in the presence of approximately 50,000.NATO'S troops authorized by UNSC resolution 1244 to enter and restore law and order in that troublesome Serbian Province of Kosovo
Therefore,its imperative that UNSC oversee the
investigation of the organ trade.
Russia and China should actively
participate as the other 3 permanent
members are all ready into it up to their necks.Failure of all 5 permanent UNSC
members of participating would permanently stain the investigation and consequent outcome of the trial.From
the beginning of disintegration of
former Yugoslavia to date. The WEST has
committed,on numerous occasion,
serious crime against Serbian Nation.

Hope I was transparent enough!
(miri, 28 January 2011 19:39)

Can't say that wholeheartedly. OK, the glass was half-full this time.

Why must you turn every topic into Mladic topic?
What has Mladic got to do with this article?
Please stay on topic or just get lost. I'm sure I am not the only one sick of your repeating yourself over and over and over.
(Peggy, 29 January 2011 13:12)

Peggy,

I don't hear you complaining about the repetition committed by "Repeating Ron".

What ethnic cleansing of Albanians? It was the reverse. When will they stop buying this nonsense. Populatiion movements started AFTER NATo bombed. The Albanians were offered the widest possible autonomy, language in schools etc.. Of 10000 civilians killed almost 50% were Serbs and non-Albanians with 15% of population. It's time to stop the disinformation.
(Zeka, 28 January 2011 12:02)

Ethnic cleansing in small numbers was going on way before the bombing, but you are right Zeka, right after NATO bombs were dropped on Serbia the operation code name " Horse shoe" was put in effect by Miloshevic. I hope you heard about that one and what it meant!? Close to mil K-Albanians expelled from their homeland of Kosova.

3) I fail to see how your point is connected to the original topic, i.e.


(Ataman, 28 January 2011 17:40)

I fail to see how your comment, that disputes my comment on the ground of not being related to the original article, is related to my comment which in turn was related to another comment by another commenter that was not related to original article.
Hope I was transparent enough!

What ethnic cleansing of Albanians? It was the reverse. When will they stop buying this nonsense. Populatiion movements started AFTER NATo bombed. The Albanians were offered the widest possible autonomy, language in schools etc.. Of 10000 civilians killed almost 50% were Serbs and non-Albanians with 15% of population. It's time to stop the disinformation.

"What ethnic cleansing of Albanians? It was the reverse. When will they stop buying this nonsense. Populatiion movements started AFTER NATo bombed. The Albanians were offered the widest possible autonomy, language in schools etc.. Of 10000 civilians killed almost 50% were Serbs and non-Albanians with 15% of population. It's time to stop the disinformation.
(Zeka, 28 January 2011 12:02) "

Can I say that you are questioning the accuracy of the Dick Marty report?

Answer me this: if albanians were leaving as a result of NATO bombs, as you state, how come hardly any serbs left Serbia or Kosovo durign the NATO bombing as a result of these bombs? Are you saying that NATO was targeting albanians?! Are you saying that serbs are bomb-proof and had no reason to flee?!!

It is a very simple question and hopefully whilst you are thinking of what answer to write, maybe a part of you will realise how illogical and wrong your first statement was.

agim,
funny enough you mentioned operation horseshoe. it has been effectively demonstrated that operation horseshoe was a red herring. it was never either implmented or planned to be. and furthermore it's also interesting to note that all claims of operation horseshoe came well after operation bomb the hell out of yugoslavia. but thanks for playing.
watch 'it began with a lie', a german (long strong albanian allies) documentary, about 1999 kosovo situation. it's full of actual investigative detail and not speculative propaganda.
also, on another note, feel free to use that documentary as a source for the 230000+ list of ethnically cleansed serbians. perhaps finding all of those people alive and well can dispell dick marty's report too.

AGIM
Are you confused?
Another word for Homeland is"One's native land."
I shall remind you Kosovo is Serbian Native land. that Albanians settled in with the help of Turks, since Serbs kept leaving because of Ottoman pressure the land became empty.

Now again what ethnic cleansing???/
On wikipedia i can see that kosovo has a population of 1.8mil and 92% is Albanian!
Enlighten me who is ethnically cleansed?
A Hint Albanians where 81% in 1991
75% in 1981. in Kosovo
So who was ethnically cleansed NO Albanians, you just need to look up the demographics of Yugoslavia/kosovo.
And that operation horseshoe never happened if it happened then Kosovo would still be part of Serbia and no albanians would live there, so you get it.
Dont play the VICTIM!

P.S
You got your own homeland Named:Albania
And pls drop your greater albania dream!
(Stevie, 28 January 2011 14:58)

Let me see, what are Serbs doing in Vojvodina. It appears that 70% of the province is populated by Serbs, a place which not too long ago belonged to Austria-Hungary.

What are Serbs doing int Croatia? Why isn't Krajina within Serbia? What are Serbs doing in BH. What is this Republica Srpska with a million or so Serbs doing within another state? What are Serbs doing in MonteNegro, what are Serbs doing in Kosova?
It appears that Serbs has this tendency to move around a lot and infringe in the surrounding territories, don't ya think?
My point is that if you believe that Albanians settled into Kosova due to some historical circumstances, that is also completely legitimate. If you don't agree with this, look at what you have done to others.
I expect you to say that the whole Balkans is Serbian land and that will put an end to this discussion.

"For another, Marty’s balanced report unequivocally condemns Serbian war crimes, noting that Kosovo’s ethnic Albanians “suffered horrendous violence” as a result of the “insane ethnic cleansing policy” of the dictatorial Slobodan Milosevic."

This thing shouldn't be forgotten! Some Serbs seem to ignore it. Of course it can never be an excuse for the crimes committed by criminal Albanian sub-groups of the KLA, but you can see how it all started.
(Top, 28 January 2011 11:07)
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No Top, we haven't forgotten but most people have forgotten that the alleged ethnic cleansing started *after* NATO started bombing. And the reason they started bombing was because Serbia did not accept the Rambouillet agreement which would have had all of Serbia occupied and given "Kosova" independence. After the war those two conditions were dropped in UNSCR1244.

You see, there are many factors responsible for the disaster that took place in the 90s - NATO, Serbians, K-Albanians. That's something we shouldn't forget as it was NATO who opened the gates of hell and it seems left open.

What ethnic cleansing of Albanians? It was the reverse. When will they stop buying this nonsense. Populatiion movements started AFTER NATo bombed. The Albanians were offered the widest possible autonomy, language in schools etc.. Of 10000 civilians killed almost 50% were Serbs and non-Albanians with 15% of population. It's time to stop the disinformation.
(Zeka, 28 January 2011 12:02)
How can a person possibly write its time to stop the disinformation at the end of a paragraph that holds not one truth??

EULEX has been a failure on arresting corrupt officials. As for Marty's report, an investigation is not what Serbs want and they know. So go EULEX, investigate it.

Dear Serbs, tell us where did this organ extraction supposedly happen?

It is certainly unraveling now. Even the US is concerned about their ally’s ability to run a state. Hey, US why haven’t you taught the Albanians about transparency in government? You’ve had 12 years.
I have told you that more is on the way and it certainly is.

What is there to say, the US wanted to break Kosovo away from the then Yugoslavia, and Milosevic's rule, and propped up KLA criminals in positions of leadership after the bombing stopped. It is a filthy scenario from every perspective. Milosevic was a nut case, the KLA was created by Kosovar Albanian mafia criminals, the USA was looking to advance their geopolitical presence, and further stifle Russia. And here we are folks, the dirty laundry is out, and the truth, as it always does, will come out. Some heads will roll, many deals will be made, huge amounts of money will flow, and Kosovo will remain an US/EU protectorate. Will the dead souls rest better, will the grieving families grieve less, probably not. And so go the games that the world's powers play, at the expense of the innocent and defenseless.

AGIM
Are you confused?
Another word for Homeland is"One's native land."
I shall remind you Kosovo is Serbian Native land. that Albanians settled in with the help of Turks, since Serbs kept leaving because of Ottoman pressure the land became empty.

Now again what ethnic cleansing???/
On wikipedia i can see that kosovo has a population of 1.8mil and 92% is Albanian!
Enlighten me who is ethnically cleansed?
A Hint Albanians where 81% in 1991
75% in 1981. in Kosovo
So who was ethnically cleansed NO Albanians, you just need to look up the demographics of Yugoslavia/kosovo.
And that operation horseshoe never happened if it happened then Kosovo would still be part of Serbia and no albanians would live there, so you get it.
Dont play the VICTIM!

P.S
You got your own homeland Named:Albania
And pls drop your greater albania dream!

You mean Ratko Mladic's arrest must take place sometime in the future.

Ethnic cleansing in small numbers was going on way before the bombing
(Agim Kelmendi, 28 January 2011 13:06)

Faleminderit, Agim - you just did admit : "Ethnic cleansing in small numbers" and "before the bombing".

So what did justify the bombing - "Ethnic cleansing in small numbers"? Monica? Imperialist ambitions?
(Je¿ bombowy, klintonowy, oralno-seksualny i imperialistyczny, 28 January 2011 16:43)

If you do some math, small number and 1 mil , it will not be such small as you may think. Read my entire comment and compare the small number next to 1 million.

Ethnic cleansing in small numbers was going on way before the bombing
(Agim Kelmendi, 28 January 2011 13:06)

Faleminderit, Agim - you just did admit : "Ethnic cleansing in small numbers" and "before the bombing".

So what did justify the bombing - "Ethnic cleansing in small numbers"? Monica? Imperialist ambitions?

"Ethnic cleansing in small numbers was going on way before the bombing
(Agim Kelmendi, 28 January 2011 13:06)

Faleminderit, Agim - you just did admit : "Ethnic cleansing in small numbers" and "before the bombing".

So what did justify the bombing - "Ethnic cleansing in small numbers"? Monica? Imperialist ambitions?
(Je¿ bombowy, klintonowy, oralno-seksualny i imperialistyczny, 28 January 2011 16:43) "

What justified the bombing is the fact that Milosevic was targeting civilians and the conflict showed no signs of stopping. NATO, taking into account Milosevic's actions in Bosnia and the atrocities that happened there as a result of inactions from intenational comminty, decided to act sooner rather than later to stop a conflict that would have resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths and probably still continuing today.

Do not blame albanians or CIA for propaganda - it is your dear Sloba that was stupid enough to make the same mistake twice by targeting civilians. Had Milosevic not revoked basic humans rights from albanians and had serbs taken a more measure response and only targeted of what was the KLA at the time, instead of killing women, children, elderly, burning, raping, looting etc etc... it is more than likely that Kosovo today would be an autonomy within Serbia.

As long as the investigators aren't the same puppet-masters that allowed the crimes to happen in the first place. The UN should head the investigation and prosecution of the morbid narco-politician and drive the last nails into their coffin as they are dying anyway from 3rdWorld style corruption

What justified the bombing is the fact that Milosevic was targeting civilians and the conflict showed no signs of stopping. NATO, taking into account Milosevic's actions in Bosnia and the atrocities that happened there as a result of inactions from intenational comminty, decided to act sooner rather than later to stop a conflict that would have resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths and probably still continuing today.

You Albanians certainly had many, many more rights then then the Serbs do now. You cant even proove that Ethnic Cleansing took place at all, because somehow as soon as the bombing began the refugee count jumped from 0 (first external refugee was registered 3 days after the bombing began) to 800,000, and while Milosevic was on trial, no one could proove that he ordered ethnic cleansing, also several post war Nato reports said that the Yugoslav govt hadnt sponsored ethnic cleansing. You go on about non existant massacres, and how Slobodan is guilty (despite no evidence) and that Thaci is innocent (despite plenty of evidence). Tell me, how do you say "Ignorance" in albanian?

"The Albanians were offered the widest possible autonomy, language in schools etc.. "
(Zeka, 28 January 2011 12:02)
This 'were' must refer to the pre-Milosevic era, I think ;-)

"Do not blame albanians or CIA for propaganda - it is your dear Sloba that was stupid enough to make the same mistake twice by targeting civilians. Had Milosevic not revoked basic humans rights from albanians and had serbs taken a more measure response and only targeted of what was the KLA at the time, instead of killing women, children, elderly, burning, raping, looting etc etc... it is more than likely that Kosovo today would be an autonomy within Serbia.
(nikshala, 28 January 2011 18:37)

It doesn't happen often, but this time I can 100% agree to a posting by a person from Kosovo. Bravo, Nikshala!

In my opinion Hashim Thaci faces a difficult choice whether to accept the report and surrender to the Western law enforcement, or insist on his innocence, thus closing his domain to any outside interference and turning himself into the leader of a “rogue state”. Accordingly, the West is also facing a difficult problem – whether to persist in its adherence to the “universal principles of human rights” and thus abandon its own minion, or acknowledge that the whole story the creation of Kosovo was from the very beginning based false inputs, and now resembles all the principles of a Fascist state combined with the corruption of Somalia

Thank you, Ataman, for closing the mouth of people like Miri, that cannot see or think rationally due to their blind hate for anything Serbian. The Marty findings must be now thoroughly investigated by an unbiased and neutral prosecutor, and not a part of incompetent Eulex, that is knee deep in associations and partnerships with Pristina, and hopefully bring to trial and prosecute any responsible party of group. Enough with the back and forth finger pointing between Serbs and Albanians. Let's just work on exposing and ridding Kosovo of criminals, so that the people there can enjoy a better, safer, and more secure like.

"A former U.S. ambassador to Priština has observed that unless blatantly corrupt, high-ranking officials are arrested, Kosovo’s people will conclude that “the government is little more than a kleptocracy”, the FT writes."

Let's hope those words will be followed by some actions. EULEX has been much too tolerant when it comes to clean up corruption. Now that it became obvious, after the elections, that the people in Kosovo themselves were not willing to elect a clean government (but decided to vote again for the same corrupt and criminal persons and parties again), it's up to EULEX to start proceedings and get those persons finally out of their offices.

"For another, Marty’s balanced report unequivocally condemns Serbian war crimes, noting that Kosovo’s ethnic Albanians “suffered horrendous violence” as a result of the “insane ethnic cleansing policy” of the dictatorial Slobodan Milosevic."

This thing shouldn't be forgotten! Some Serbs seem to ignore it. Of course it can never be an excuse for the crimes committed by criminal Albanian sub-groups of the KLA, but you can see how it all started.

Lastly, Serbia must not exploit the affair to destabilize Kosovo – whose independence remains in the region’s best long-term interests," believes the paper.
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So the policy of the US/EU was to allow organ, people, drug trafficking, abductions, murder and a host of other heinous crimes for the sake of some perceived stability? It's the same all over the world, the mafia pay off the police and are allowed to continue with their crimes as long as there is some kind of stability. However, this doesn't tend to last very long and it is an absolutely disgusting policy.

Answer me this: if albanians were leaving as a result of NATO bombs, as you state, how come hardly any serbs left Serbia or Kosovo durign the NATO bombing as a result of these bombs? Are you saying that NATO was targeting albanians?! Are you saying that serbs are bomb-proof and had no reason to flee?!!

It is a very simple question and hopefully whilst you are thinking of what answer to write, maybe a part of you will realise how illogical and wrong your first statement was.
(nikshala, 28 January 2011 14:37)

Your simple question has a very simple answer, against Rugova's wishes, the Albanians were ordered to leave their homes by your beloved KLA terrorists in order to creat anarchy and justify the bombing.

That does not preclude that the Jugoslav army did clean out some villages suspected of harboring KLA terrorists who murdered Serbians and Albanians against the KLA.

Ademi death was not at the hands of the Serbian MUP as most Albanians would like to think; he was assassinated by the KLA.

Answer me this: if albanians were leaving as a result of NATO bombs, as you state, how come hardly any serbs left Serbia or Kosovo durign the NATO bombing as a result of these bombs? Are you saying that NATO was targeting albanians?! Are you saying that serbs are bomb-proof and had no reason to flee?!!

It is a very simple question and hopefully whilst you are thinking of what answer to write, maybe a part of you will realise how illogical and wrong your first statement was.
(nikshala, 28 January 2011 14:37)

It's called courage and bravery. Many of the NATO targets were bridges. While the Albanians were fleeing Kosovo because of the bombing the Serbs were having a concert on some bridges with "Targets" pinned to their shirts. They were well aware of the fact that they were not bomb-proof.

Original topic: "Kosovo organ probe must take place"


versus miri-topic (the better part of it):


My point is that if you believe that Albanians settled into Kosova due to some historical circumstances, that is also completely legitimate. If you don't agree with this, look at what you have done to others.
I expect you to say that the whole Balkans is Serbian land and that will put an end to this discussion.
(miri, 28 January 2011 16:29)

1) I never seen anyone would say Albanians settling in Kosovo was not legitimate.
2) I never seen anyone say seriously that the whole Balkans is Serbian land.
3) I fail to see how your point is connected to the original topic, i.e.

"Kosovo organ probe must take place"

Unless of course you want to say:

"Kosovo organ probe must NOT take place because the whole Balkans is not Serbian land". This is an opinion - if it's yours, just tell straight.

Let me see, what are Albanians doing in Kosovo. It appears that 95% of the province is populated by Albanians, a place which not too long ago belonged to Ottomam-Empire.

What are Albanians doing in Macedonia? Why isn't Presevo within Albania? What are Albanians doing in Greece. What is this Epirus with a million or so Albanians doing within another state? What are Albanians doing in Montenegro, what are Albanians doing in Serbia? What were Albanians doing in Yugoslavia?
It appears that Albanians have this tendency to move around a lot and infringe in the surrounding territories, don't ya think?
My point is that if you believe that Serbians settled into Kosovo due to some historical circumstances, that is also completely legitimate. If you don't agree with this, look at what you have done to others.
I expect you to say that the whole Balkans is Albanian land and that will put an end to this discussion.

bla bla bla the independence will never change.

When this fairytale ends with nothing serbs will say albanians killed witnesses, america saved albanian skin and the investegator were from countrys wich have recognized Kosovo

Let me see, what are Serbs doing in Vojvodina. It appears that 70% of the province is populated by Serbs, a place which not too long ago belonged to Austria-Hungary.
(miri, 28 January 2011 16:29)

The answer to your rhetorical post is that the Serbs were foreced out of Kosovo, their ancestral homes after the battle of Kosovo in 1389 . That is when the Turks installed many fantatical Phanariots which included Greek, Albanians and some Serbs. The 500 year occupation of Kosovo and Metohia began as well as the migration of Serbian civilians.

The Serbs were fled and many Kosovo serbs migrated to Vojvodina, Bosnia &Herzergonina and the Krajina frontier.

Nikoa Tesla, one of the greatest scientiest to be born traces his ancestry to Kosovo;

1389 - His paternal origin is thought to be of the Draganic family from the Tara valley area below the geographical entity known as Old Vlach, from one of the local Serb clans; however genealogical research shows that Nikola is from the Herzegovinian noble Komnenovic ...His paternal origin is thought to be of the Draganic family from the Tara valley area below the geographical entity known as Old Vlach, from one of the local Serb clans; however genealogical research shows that Nikola is from the Herzegovinian noble Komnenovic (modern-day Old Herzegovina in Montenegro), from its Orlovic subgroup that traces its origin from the semi-mythic Pavle Orlovic that bore Prince Lazar's banner at the Battle of Kosovo in 1389.
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Part of current Montenegro has a part of Methohia in its current borders.

The final justice is that no matter what, the Serbs always respected the gravesite of King Murad who was killed by Milos Obelic in the fields of the blackbirds in 1389, his grave remains untounched; the same cannot be said for the Albanian fanatics who desecrate the graves of Serbians; a despicable act tha t should be condemnned by all.

"Do not blame albanians or CIA for propaganda - it is your dear Sloba that was stupid enough to make the same mistake twice by targeting civilians. Had Milosevic not revoked basic humans rights from albanians and had serbs taken a more measure response and only targeted of what was the KLA at the time, instead of killing women, children, elderly, burning, raping, looting etc etc... it is more than likely that Kosovo today would be an autonomy within Serbia.
(nikshala, 28 January 2011 18:37)


The Serbian paramilitary and their actions were a manifestation and a response to the Albanian and KLA actions towards the Serbian civilians.I don't condone,approve,or justify their actions by any means,especially the organ harvesting by the KLA. Stop playing the blame game before you get too old and die. Work towards peace and reconciliation and learn to enjoy life again-the children deserve better!

You mean Ratko Mladic's arrest must take place sometime in the future.
(ivan, 28 January 2011 16:37)

There are folks saying that right after Tony Blair, Mladic converted to Catholicism and the church enrolled him in their protection program for the Croatian Nazis. He figures he is forever safe as long as he is a Catholic war criminal. Besides, where else can you pay to stay out of hell or buy your way into Heaven? Or a Croatian Nazi war criminal like Archbishop Stepinac be made into a "saint" and have institutions named after him.

Do not blame albanians or CIA for propaganda - it is your dear Sloba that was stupid enough to make the same mistake twice by targeting civilians. Had Milosevic not revoked basic humans rights from albanians and had serbs taken a more measure response and only targeted of what was the KLA at the time, instead of killing women, children, elderly, burning, raping, looting etc etc...
(nikshala, 28 January 2011 18:37)
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Selective memory at its best. The UN observer mission at the time (before the bombing started) stated that the KLA was by far the greatest violator of the ceasefire.

It was obvious at the time they tried to provoke Serbia and NATO wanted to bomb Serbia. They offered an impossible Rambouillet agreement, staged Racak and the rest is history. UNSCR1244 is still in force and ensures "Kosova" will never become a legitimate state.

Hope I was transparent enough!
(miri, 28 January 2011 19:39)

Can't say that wholeheartedly. OK, the glass was half-full this time.

"Financial time writes:EU and US are expected to allow the investigation into organ trade in Kosovo after Marty report was adopted".Troublesome word here is ALLOW.Since this heinous crime was committed in the presence of approximately 50,000.NATO'S troops authorized by UNSC resolution 1244 to enter and restore law and order in that troublesome Serbian Province of Kosovo
Therefore,its imperative that UNSC oversee the
investigation of the organ trade.
Russia and China should actively
participate as the other 3 permanent
members are all ready into it up to their necks.Failure of all 5 permanent UNSC
members of participating would permanently stain the investigation and consequent outcome of the trial.From
the beginning of disintegration of
former Yugoslavia to date. The WEST has
committed,on numerous occasion,
serious crime against Serbian Nation.

"Financial time writes:EU and US are expected to allow the investigation into organ trade in Kosovo after Marty report was adopted".Troublesome word here is ALLOW.Since this heinous crime was committed in the presence of approximately 50,000.NATO'S troops authorized by UNSC resolution 1244 to enter and restore law and order in that troublesome Serbian Province of Kosovo
Therefore,its imperative that UNSC oversee the
investigation of the organ trade.
Russia and China should actively
participate as the other 3 permanent
members are all ready into it up to their necks.Failure of all 5 permanent UNSC
members of participating would permanently stain the investigation and consequent outcome of the trial.From
the beginning of disintegration of
former Yugoslavia to date. The WEST has
committed,on numerous occasion,
serious crime against Serbian Nation.

You mean Ratko Mladic's arrest must take place sometime in the future.
(ivan, 28 January 2011 16:37)
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Why must you turn every topic into Mladic topic?
What has Mladic got to do with this article?
Please stay on topic or just get lost. I'm sure I am not the only one sick of your repeating yourself over and over and over.

bla bla bla the independence will never change.

When this fairytale ends with nothing serbs will say albanians killed witnesses, america saved albanian skin and the investegator were from countrys wich have recognized Kosovo
(demi, 29 January 2011 00:18)

Thankfully the Serbs wont have to say anything now since you said it and laid it down in proper order.

Why must you turn every topic into Mladic topic?
What has Mladic got to do with this article?
Please stay on topic or just get lost. I'm sure I am not the only one sick of your repeating yourself over and over and over.
(Peggy, 29 January 2011 13:12)

Peggy,

I don't hear you complaining about the repetition committed by "Repeating Ron".

Agim!

"Ethnic cleansing in small numbers was going on way before the bombing..."

Yes, it did.
British parliamentary committee was established after the bombing, and concluded that majority of civilian victims ( 69%) were victims of KLA.

Here is what British defense secretary George Robertson said during parliamentary testimony: "Up until (January 1999) the KLA were responsible for more deaths in Kosovo than the Yugoslav authorities had been"


http://books.google.com.au/books?id=4E7hUjI-MmsC&pg=PA181&lpg=PA181&dq=%22KLA+were+responsible+for+more+deaths+in+Kosovo+than+the+Yugoslav+authorities+had+been%E2%80%9D&source=bl&ots=J9D7N3bGnI&sig=wxkrASmjXfgNdTlUZlutMpVHXuY&hl=en&ei=YceNTOGvD4KlcfTz6KoE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CDUQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=%22KLA%20were%20responsible%20for%20more%20deaths%20in%20Kosovo%20than%20the%20Yugoslav%20authorities%20had%20been%E2%80%9D&f=false


As you can see ethnic cleansing was happening.


"Horseshoe" was already on trial - in Hague! It was dropped from list of evidence against the Milosevic, because it appeared that it's not of Serbian origin, but prepared by some other intelligence service. I'll give you a clue - in original Serbo-Croatian plan is called "Potkova" which is Croatian version of "Potkovica"...

I'll bet Madeleine Albright is proud now.

"3) I fail to see how your point is connected to the original topic, i.e."
(Ataman, 28 January 2011 17:40)

This is funny...Ataman is criticizing somebody for going off topic. Made my day.

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