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Thursday, 27.01.2011.

10:29

"Cyberattack on Iran could have sparked nuclear disaster"

A Russian official says a recent cyberattack on Iran's atomic-energy program could have triggered a nuclear catastrophe on the scale of the Chornobyl disaster.

Izvor: RFE/RL

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Ataman

pre 13 godina

Ment,

You are right that who wrote this virus were very professional and any operating system could be the target. Mullahs did the poor job by choosing the OS which would be not only the least secure choice and the most common target for virus - but once infected, the very same OS also is the most difficult to clean up.

Everyone who ever touched Windows knows how vulnerable and how difficult to fix the Registry is. I think, Microsoft over-abused it and with years Registry became a nightmare to maintain. On Unix systems there is Registry, too - but it's a fairly simple tree-like structure, much simpler to maintain than what is under Windows. Hence on Unix even in the case of a much less common virus infection the additional benefit is that the infection is easier to find and remove.

The additional problem is that under Windows it is much easier to "touch" the hardware from user-level application. Under Unix flavors you need device drivers and some sort of bridging software interface between the kernel and the user-level world.

These are well-defined layers and not only it is harder to compromise the security, it is also easier to remove the malware.


It's a bit like Billary and the Firefox. On one occasion, Billary was asked regarding Firefox being not used in her office. She told, the reason is the extra cost involved if Firefox would be PURCHASED. She apparently did not know, Firefox is for free.

On an other occasion, not sure was it in the Serbian or Hungarian government - but the involved politicians expected to get a deal from Microsoft to buy computers. So they choose Windows in the hope, MS will sell them cheap computers. They did not know, MS does not make PC-s.

No comment on that except I find it frightening, we are DEPENDING on these "wise" men/women in our day-to-day life.

w

pre 13 godina

So what in the tarnation went wrong?
(w, 27 January 2011 13:28)

Windows went wrong. Surprised? Being not a Windows person I just read on Wiki what that virus was. Obviously would they invest time to understand different BSD or Linux flavors and chose among these beginning with MacOS and ending with Ubuntu things would be more secure due obscurity of these installations number one and number two, they would be in 100% control of the hardware.

What Iranians did instead: they shopped for a turn-key solution, found one and did buy it. Well - it's Windows-based.

They still could use the same hardware but control it from a different OS - anything goes, beginning with Solaris and ending with AIX... just DON'T USE WINDOWS!!! It was obviously cheaper and simpler just rely on a third party.

Alternate solution: invest about $600K-$200K in engineering team salary over a year period. $600K is rather US-kind of salary for like 4-5 people, $400K will buy such team in Bulgaria, Russia, India, $200K probably home-grown in Iran, all schooling included. The same hardware can be used, just write all drivers for the chosen platform - which shouldn't be the Windows.

Now they learned it the hard way. But politicians probably never learn anything at least not about computers. The disaster strikes if they, not experts make the decision.
(Ataman, 27 January 2011 15:12)

Even though that's all Chinese to me that you wrote there, and you didn't even catch my meaning, I still appreciate you and your friendly ways.

Ment

pre 13 godina

@Ataman
=======

From what I've read the virus was so sophisticated, I'm sure the hackers that created it could have developed a variant for just about any operating system you can think of...so I don't think Windows was a factor.
Also, I believe the speculation was that the virus was actually planted in one of the Russian technician's laptops and he inadvertently spread it when working in Bushehr.

As for developing home grown software, 1 year is not even remotely enough. You're not building a website here but the brains of a nuclear reactor...and of course the mullahs and Ahmadinejad can't wait that long. They're in a rush you see?

I hope Bushehr had blown up actually.

Ataman

pre 13 godina

So what in the tarnation went wrong?
(w, 27 January 2011 13:28)

Windows went wrong. Surprised? Being not a Windows person I just read on Wiki what that virus was. Obviously would they invest time to understand different BSD or Linux flavors and chose among these beginning with MacOS and ending with Ubuntu things would be more secure due obscurity of these installations number one and number two, they would be in 100% control of the hardware.

What Iranians did instead: they shopped for a turn-key solution, found one and did buy it. Well - it's Windows-based.

They still could use the same hardware but control it from a different OS - anything goes, beginning with Solaris and ending with AIX... just DON'T USE WINDOWS!!! It was obviously cheaper and simpler just rely on a third party.

Alternate solution: invest about $600K-$200K in engineering team salary over a year period. $600K is rather US-kind of salary for like 4-5 people, $400K will buy such team in Bulgaria, Russia, India, $200K probably home-grown in Iran, all schooling included. The same hardware can be used, just write all drivers for the chosen platform - which shouldn't be the Windows.

Now they learned it the hard way. But politicians probably never learn anything at least not about computers. The disaster strikes if they, not experts make the decision.

Ataman

pre 13 godina

So what in the tarnation went wrong?
(w, 27 January 2011 13:28)

Windows went wrong. Surprised? Being not a Windows person I just read on Wiki what that virus was. Obviously would they invest time to understand different BSD or Linux flavors and chose among these beginning with MacOS and ending with Ubuntu things would be more secure due obscurity of these installations number one and number two, they would be in 100% control of the hardware.

What Iranians did instead: they shopped for a turn-key solution, found one and did buy it. Well - it's Windows-based.

They still could use the same hardware but control it from a different OS - anything goes, beginning with Solaris and ending with AIX... just DON'T USE WINDOWS!!! It was obviously cheaper and simpler just rely on a third party.

Alternate solution: invest about $600K-$200K in engineering team salary over a year period. $600K is rather US-kind of salary for like 4-5 people, $400K will buy such team in Bulgaria, Russia, India, $200K probably home-grown in Iran, all schooling included. The same hardware can be used, just write all drivers for the chosen platform - which shouldn't be the Windows.

Now they learned it the hard way. But politicians probably never learn anything at least not about computers. The disaster strikes if they, not experts make the decision.

w

pre 13 godina

So what in the tarnation went wrong?
(w, 27 January 2011 13:28)

Windows went wrong. Surprised? Being not a Windows person I just read on Wiki what that virus was. Obviously would they invest time to understand different BSD or Linux flavors and chose among these beginning with MacOS and ending with Ubuntu things would be more secure due obscurity of these installations number one and number two, they would be in 100% control of the hardware.

What Iranians did instead: they shopped for a turn-key solution, found one and did buy it. Well - it's Windows-based.

They still could use the same hardware but control it from a different OS - anything goes, beginning with Solaris and ending with AIX... just DON'T USE WINDOWS!!! It was obviously cheaper and simpler just rely on a third party.

Alternate solution: invest about $600K-$200K in engineering team salary over a year period. $600K is rather US-kind of salary for like 4-5 people, $400K will buy such team in Bulgaria, Russia, India, $200K probably home-grown in Iran, all schooling included. The same hardware can be used, just write all drivers for the chosen platform - which shouldn't be the Windows.

Now they learned it the hard way. But politicians probably never learn anything at least not about computers. The disaster strikes if they, not experts make the decision.
(Ataman, 27 January 2011 15:12)

Even though that's all Chinese to me that you wrote there, and you didn't even catch my meaning, I still appreciate you and your friendly ways.

Ment

pre 13 godina

@Ataman
=======

From what I've read the virus was so sophisticated, I'm sure the hackers that created it could have developed a variant for just about any operating system you can think of...so I don't think Windows was a factor.
Also, I believe the speculation was that the virus was actually planted in one of the Russian technician's laptops and he inadvertently spread it when working in Bushehr.

As for developing home grown software, 1 year is not even remotely enough. You're not building a website here but the brains of a nuclear reactor...and of course the mullahs and Ahmadinejad can't wait that long. They're in a rush you see?

I hope Bushehr had blown up actually.

Ataman

pre 13 godina

Ment,

You are right that who wrote this virus were very professional and any operating system could be the target. Mullahs did the poor job by choosing the OS which would be not only the least secure choice and the most common target for virus - but once infected, the very same OS also is the most difficult to clean up.

Everyone who ever touched Windows knows how vulnerable and how difficult to fix the Registry is. I think, Microsoft over-abused it and with years Registry became a nightmare to maintain. On Unix systems there is Registry, too - but it's a fairly simple tree-like structure, much simpler to maintain than what is under Windows. Hence on Unix even in the case of a much less common virus infection the additional benefit is that the infection is easier to find and remove.

The additional problem is that under Windows it is much easier to "touch" the hardware from user-level application. Under Unix flavors you need device drivers and some sort of bridging software interface between the kernel and the user-level world.

These are well-defined layers and not only it is harder to compromise the security, it is also easier to remove the malware.


It's a bit like Billary and the Firefox. On one occasion, Billary was asked regarding Firefox being not used in her office. She told, the reason is the extra cost involved if Firefox would be PURCHASED. She apparently did not know, Firefox is for free.

On an other occasion, not sure was it in the Serbian or Hungarian government - but the involved politicians expected to get a deal from Microsoft to buy computers. So they choose Windows in the hope, MS will sell them cheap computers. They did not know, MS does not make PC-s.

No comment on that except I find it frightening, we are DEPENDING on these "wise" men/women in our day-to-day life.

Ment

pre 13 godina

@Ataman
=======

From what I've read the virus was so sophisticated, I'm sure the hackers that created it could have developed a variant for just about any operating system you can think of...so I don't think Windows was a factor.
Also, I believe the speculation was that the virus was actually planted in one of the Russian technician's laptops and he inadvertently spread it when working in Bushehr.

As for developing home grown software, 1 year is not even remotely enough. You're not building a website here but the brains of a nuclear reactor...and of course the mullahs and Ahmadinejad can't wait that long. They're in a rush you see?

I hope Bushehr had blown up actually.

Ataman

pre 13 godina

Ment,

You are right that who wrote this virus were very professional and any operating system could be the target. Mullahs did the poor job by choosing the OS which would be not only the least secure choice and the most common target for virus - but once infected, the very same OS also is the most difficult to clean up.

Everyone who ever touched Windows knows how vulnerable and how difficult to fix the Registry is. I think, Microsoft over-abused it and with years Registry became a nightmare to maintain. On Unix systems there is Registry, too - but it's a fairly simple tree-like structure, much simpler to maintain than what is under Windows. Hence on Unix even in the case of a much less common virus infection the additional benefit is that the infection is easier to find and remove.

The additional problem is that under Windows it is much easier to "touch" the hardware from user-level application. Under Unix flavors you need device drivers and some sort of bridging software interface between the kernel and the user-level world.

These are well-defined layers and not only it is harder to compromise the security, it is also easier to remove the malware.


It's a bit like Billary and the Firefox. On one occasion, Billary was asked regarding Firefox being not used in her office. She told, the reason is the extra cost involved if Firefox would be PURCHASED. She apparently did not know, Firefox is for free.

On an other occasion, not sure was it in the Serbian or Hungarian government - but the involved politicians expected to get a deal from Microsoft to buy computers. So they choose Windows in the hope, MS will sell them cheap computers. They did not know, MS does not make PC-s.

No comment on that except I find it frightening, we are DEPENDING on these "wise" men/women in our day-to-day life.

Ataman

pre 13 godina

So what in the tarnation went wrong?
(w, 27 January 2011 13:28)

Windows went wrong. Surprised? Being not a Windows person I just read on Wiki what that virus was. Obviously would they invest time to understand different BSD or Linux flavors and chose among these beginning with MacOS and ending with Ubuntu things would be more secure due obscurity of these installations number one and number two, they would be in 100% control of the hardware.

What Iranians did instead: they shopped for a turn-key solution, found one and did buy it. Well - it's Windows-based.

They still could use the same hardware but control it from a different OS - anything goes, beginning with Solaris and ending with AIX... just DON'T USE WINDOWS!!! It was obviously cheaper and simpler just rely on a third party.

Alternate solution: invest about $600K-$200K in engineering team salary over a year period. $600K is rather US-kind of salary for like 4-5 people, $400K will buy such team in Bulgaria, Russia, India, $200K probably home-grown in Iran, all schooling included. The same hardware can be used, just write all drivers for the chosen platform - which shouldn't be the Windows.

Now they learned it the hard way. But politicians probably never learn anything at least not about computers. The disaster strikes if they, not experts make the decision.

w

pre 13 godina

So what in the tarnation went wrong?
(w, 27 January 2011 13:28)

Windows went wrong. Surprised? Being not a Windows person I just read on Wiki what that virus was. Obviously would they invest time to understand different BSD or Linux flavors and chose among these beginning with MacOS and ending with Ubuntu things would be more secure due obscurity of these installations number one and number two, they would be in 100% control of the hardware.

What Iranians did instead: they shopped for a turn-key solution, found one and did buy it. Well - it's Windows-based.

They still could use the same hardware but control it from a different OS - anything goes, beginning with Solaris and ending with AIX... just DON'T USE WINDOWS!!! It was obviously cheaper and simpler just rely on a third party.

Alternate solution: invest about $600K-$200K in engineering team salary over a year period. $600K is rather US-kind of salary for like 4-5 people, $400K will buy such team in Bulgaria, Russia, India, $200K probably home-grown in Iran, all schooling included. The same hardware can be used, just write all drivers for the chosen platform - which shouldn't be the Windows.

Now they learned it the hard way. But politicians probably never learn anything at least not about computers. The disaster strikes if they, not experts make the decision.
(Ataman, 27 January 2011 15:12)

Even though that's all Chinese to me that you wrote there, and you didn't even catch my meaning, I still appreciate you and your friendly ways.