"Serbia has no 'EU or Kosovo' dilemma"

What a statement from a minister of a country, which wants to be member of the European Community, sharing and supporting the European values. This statement shows how far the Serbian political establishment is away from the European standards and European solidarity....

Serbs want to join EU but threatening EU. Talking of Serbs :)

This statement shows there is still actually a Serb nation where actual Serbs still dare to live. Is there still an English nation? Been to Londonistan lately? Mind the Moslem gang-rapists if you go. I know the occupied Greek nation is once again struggling in a war for independence from the totalitarian EU and its godless "values".

""When someone who is an enemy of the Chinese state wins this award, then the opposite is true: that China does not advocate peace in the world. We believe that China is a big promoter of peace," concluded the Serbian foreign minister."

I cannot believe he said this. So much for the western-educated foreign minister!!!!

Jeremic is correct in his statements. Why do prospective EU candidates have to be lap dogs to the Union? He is expressing the true feelings of the Serbian State and its people. Is their no room to disagree with the Union, if one desires to be its member? If you must bow to every whim, then who needs a Union like that?

given that, Serbia is one of the oldest european countries at all, ....questioning european values in regard to Serbia is quite stupid.

@Robert:
you should really ask youself wether being an EU-member is equal to being european at all.

seems like you have misunderstood something here.

Jeremic is correct in his statements. Why do prospective EU candidates have to be lap dogs to the Union? He is expressing the true feelings of the Serbian State and its people. Is their no room to disagree with the Union, if one desires to be its member? If you must bow to every whim, then who needs a Union like that?
(winston, 26 January 2011 22:28)

sigh... jeremic is a liar and fool... why oh why do you try to defend him?

As it is , the majority of the group you are APPLYING to DOES recognize kosovo.

The dream is dead, the theft has failed. Serbia Does have to choose. it is simple reality.

Plenty serbs care nothing for kosovo. Its the extremist minority whineston, that serb leadership caters to... It seems you choose to describe choosing the EU over Kosovo as being a "lapdog" .... more to sway and effect the opinion of your fellow serbs, than describing reality.

listen closely winston.

serbia is an APPLICANT, it has its hand in its hat regarding the EU.

the process of eu membership, is NOT a discussion, or a negotiation, or a point of debate. There are requirements, of wich serbia gets no opinion...it is the applicant. Serbia is told what it needs to do, and again, it gets no opinion, it is the applicant.

Choose.

By all means DONT join the eu, shoot yourselves in the foot.

I am pleased as punch that Jeremic is speaking his mind. We should all encourage Vuk to get everything off his chest. I can only hope that he writes an op-ed piece for one of the leading West European Newspapers. Every European should have the opportunity to hear what Vuk has on his mind!

isn´t it interesting how quick some of our dear k-albanian friends are with vocabulary like "liar", "idiot" and other kind words for Mr.Marty or Mr.Jeremic?

why is that so? are they perhaps more nervous than they admit here?

do they feel it deep inside, despite of their so desperately emphasized strong will, that their greater albanian project will fail miserably?

well, who knows, but it´s really interesting to watch how quick they lose their good behaviour, if they´ve had it at all in the past.

but, of course, they feel strong and " kosovaah" will stay " independent " and so on...

ahuum, yeah.

we will see. let´s just see what future brings.

On the matter of the Nobel prize, I think it should be viewed that the winner is rewarded for efforts made - not that the person's behaviour was ideal.

The Nobel prize is one of the greatest prizes in Science and that can never be devalued. In the realm of politics and peace I think we have to be a bit more tolerant in our interpretations.

In the case of China - there you have a state that is scared of itself and so suppresses free expression. It is not so much what the dissident says - it is his right to say it that should be protected and rewarded. The dissident is in prison for what amounts to a mere difference of opinion with his government, and, after-all, his government is based on a one-party/no opposition system.

Vuk may have to bow in the direction of China because China is big and powerful - but he may lose them as friends when (should it happen) the people of China do change the current system! By supporting repression in China he is at risk of saying he would support the repression of his own people - not what he means I hope.

In the meantime, the bigger and more important potential partner is the EU (through proximity if nothing else) and the EU does not agree with the repression in China (or the repressions that Milosevic so stupidly used either).

I agree that Ahtisari is not someone that Serbia can ever respect - however, without the terrible policies of Milosevic his unhelpful contribution would never have been called for.

However, I don't agree with the udi - and Vuk is right to keep Serbia's stance on Kosovo. As a policy, I think Serbia would be happy enough with an autonomous government in Kosovo, but that it cannot ever be happy with an Albanian government working under a udi. This 'two Albanias' solution is not so good.

The EU could work towards a new solution that satisfies Serbia and that is acceptable to all the EU nations - autonomy was what was signed for in 1244, not a udi. The countries of the EU are not so committed to the Kosov'a' project that they would not mind finding a better solution for all concerned.

OK, Mr. Jeremić

This time you were just plain stupid, awfully stupid. Your sentences will hunt you to the future history. Like it wasn't enough for you (and for the country you represent) to stick your nose deep into the business of China's dictators. But no, you also offer them your loyal service. One day you'll realize you never get make clean however you try.

Even in the world where each and every western country plays a hypocrite game with Chinese dictators, your words, Mr. Jeremić, mark you as an anti-democratic politician.

Man in your position should know that instead being a big promoter of peace China advocates status quo: Chinese dictators do not allow their anti-democratic position to be questioned. This is why Liu Xiaobo, among others, sits in jail.

Mr. Jeremić, could you tell me in your own words why Liu Xiaobo is "an enemy of the Chinese state"?

How can he continually say this? To say that Serbia will not have to give up Kosovo to join the EU because 5 have not recognized is ludicrous, because there is no way Serbia can join claiming land that the other 22 recognize as independent.

What a statement from a minister of a country, which wants to be member of the European Community, sharing and supporting the European values. This statement shows how far the Serbian political establishment is away from the European standards and European solidarity....

Serbs want to join EU but threatening EU. Talking of Serbs :)

How can he continually say this? To say that Serbia will not have to give up Kosovo to join the EU because 5 have not recognized is ludicrous, because there is no way Serbia can join claiming land that the other 22 recognize as independent.

OK, Mr. Jeremić

This time you were just plain stupid, awfully stupid. Your sentences will hunt you to the future history. Like it wasn't enough for you (and for the country you represent) to stick your nose deep into the business of China's dictators. But no, you also offer them your loyal service. One day you'll realize you never get make clean however you try.

Even in the world where each and every western country plays a hypocrite game with Chinese dictators, your words, Mr. Jeremić, mark you as an anti-democratic politician.

Man in your position should know that instead being a big promoter of peace China advocates status quo: Chinese dictators do not allow their anti-democratic position to be questioned. This is why Liu Xiaobo, among others, sits in jail.

Mr. Jeremić, could you tell me in your own words why Liu Xiaobo is "an enemy of the Chinese state"?

Jeremic is correct in his statements. Why do prospective EU candidates have to be lap dogs to the Union? He is expressing the true feelings of the Serbian State and its people. Is their no room to disagree with the Union, if one desires to be its member? If you must bow to every whim, then who needs a Union like that?
(winston, 26 January 2011 22:28)

sigh... jeremic is a liar and fool... why oh why do you try to defend him?

As it is , the majority of the group you are APPLYING to DOES recognize kosovo.

The dream is dead, the theft has failed. Serbia Does have to choose. it is simple reality.

Plenty serbs care nothing for kosovo. Its the extremist minority whineston, that serb leadership caters to... It seems you choose to describe choosing the EU over Kosovo as being a "lapdog" .... more to sway and effect the opinion of your fellow serbs, than describing reality.

listen closely winston.

serbia is an APPLICANT, it has its hand in its hat regarding the EU.

the process of eu membership, is NOT a discussion, or a negotiation, or a point of debate. There are requirements, of wich serbia gets no opinion...it is the applicant. Serbia is told what it needs to do, and again, it gets no opinion, it is the applicant.

Choose.

By all means DONT join the eu, shoot yourselves in the foot.

""When someone who is an enemy of the Chinese state wins this award, then the opposite is true: that China does not advocate peace in the world. We believe that China is a big promoter of peace," concluded the Serbian foreign minister."

I cannot believe he said this. So much for the western-educated foreign minister!!!!

given that, Serbia is one of the oldest european countries at all, ....questioning european values in regard to Serbia is quite stupid.

@Robert:
you should really ask youself wether being an EU-member is equal to being european at all.

seems like you have misunderstood something here.

I am pleased as punch that Jeremic is speaking his mind. We should all encourage Vuk to get everything off his chest. I can only hope that he writes an op-ed piece for one of the leading West European Newspapers. Every European should have the opportunity to hear what Vuk has on his mind!

isn´t it interesting how quick some of our dear k-albanian friends are with vocabulary like "liar", "idiot" and other kind words for Mr.Marty or Mr.Jeremic?

why is that so? are they perhaps more nervous than they admit here?

do they feel it deep inside, despite of their so desperately emphasized strong will, that their greater albanian project will fail miserably?

well, who knows, but it´s really interesting to watch how quick they lose their good behaviour, if they´ve had it at all in the past.

but, of course, they feel strong and " kosovaah" will stay " independent " and so on...

ahuum, yeah.

we will see. let´s just see what future brings.

Jeremic is correct in his statements. Why do prospective EU candidates have to be lap dogs to the Union? He is expressing the true feelings of the Serbian State and its people. Is their no room to disagree with the Union, if one desires to be its member? If you must bow to every whim, then who needs a Union like that?

This statement shows there is still actually a Serb nation where actual Serbs still dare to live. Is there still an English nation? Been to Londonistan lately? Mind the Moslem gang-rapists if you go. I know the occupied Greek nation is once again struggling in a war for independence from the totalitarian EU and its godless "values".

On the matter of the Nobel prize, I think it should be viewed that the winner is rewarded for efforts made - not that the person's behaviour was ideal.

The Nobel prize is one of the greatest prizes in Science and that can never be devalued. In the realm of politics and peace I think we have to be a bit more tolerant in our interpretations.

In the case of China - there you have a state that is scared of itself and so suppresses free expression. It is not so much what the dissident says - it is his right to say it that should be protected and rewarded. The dissident is in prison for what amounts to a mere difference of opinion with his government, and, after-all, his government is based on a one-party/no opposition system.

Vuk may have to bow in the direction of China because China is big and powerful - but he may lose them as friends when (should it happen) the people of China do change the current system! By supporting repression in China he is at risk of saying he would support the repression of his own people - not what he means I hope.

In the meantime, the bigger and more important potential partner is the EU (through proximity if nothing else) and the EU does not agree with the repression in China (or the repressions that Milosevic so stupidly used either).

I agree that Ahtisari is not someone that Serbia can ever respect - however, without the terrible policies of Milosevic his unhelpful contribution would never have been called for.

However, I don't agree with the udi - and Vuk is right to keep Serbia's stance on Kosovo. As a policy, I think Serbia would be happy enough with an autonomous government in Kosovo, but that it cannot ever be happy with an Albanian government working under a udi. This 'two Albanias' solution is not so good.

The EU could work towards a new solution that satisfies Serbia and that is acceptable to all the EU nations - autonomy was what was signed for in 1244, not a udi. The countries of the EU are not so committed to the Kosov'a' project that they would not mind finding a better solution for all concerned.