Kosovo dialogue "not to return to status"

What did we say all the time?

Whatever the Dick Marty report, whatever the Serb politicians, whatever the news papers, whatever the Serb-extrimist say:

KOSOVA IS A DONE DEAL!

Point final

Tung

We all know that there is no statues talk as Kosovo's status is already solved. Only the extreme Serbs here on B92 keep dreaming about the status talk. Let me tell you that even if USA an EU say we should talk about status there is not a single K-albanian that wants to discus this as for us Independence is a done deal but I don't hear USA or European Union say that we should talk about status, that's good because they know there is no chance they can make us talk about that.

yes well, reading the mep's words its plain as day to understand, and very clear in its meaning, and one would expect there is no confusion on the matter.

that being said, lets sit back and wait for the next hundred articles that quote serbian leadership telling its population the exact opposite.

@rick
Serbia already has no authority of any kind whatsoever in kosovo. No matter what your position is on independence.

What true solutions do you want? serbian violence and terror failed. Kosovo will never give anything wich serbs failed to steal "just because"

Why is it that you dont seem to understand the fact that serbia can lose nothing, it has nothing. Desires and motivations mean less than nothing.

It does not matter what the rest of the world thinks, This dialogue was serbias (your) response to the ICJ ruling. Serbia itself took no further legal challenge to kosovo's independence.

so why does Lunacek makes you "sick"?

Serbia was told exactly what to expect. Why doesnt serbia make you sick?

Why are you angry at the people who tell you the truth, but not at the people who lied and appeased your emotions to string you along all this time?

A "future" built on force, crime and deception will never be a peaceful future.
(Rick, 25 January 2011 14:36)
Exactly why Kosovo had to break away from Serbia.

@ SJ

No Kosovo has 110% unemployment, I wonder where do you get your figures? 85% hahahah
Even with 85% unemployment we prefer Kosovo then Republic of Serbia because startin in the late 80s there were 95% of Kosovar Albanians unemplyed including my father was sacked from the regime so now if we look at your fake figures( because in reality there is 50% unemployed ) we managed to improve the working statistics.

Kosova is done deal neither the status or borders will be changed. (yeah it might change if all of sudden USA gets nuked to stone age and some Russian Chinese blocks dominates the world. (thats a wishfull thinkig of few poor serbian souls that still dream bout the big Serbia)
Kosova is gonne "commerads" yeah Dick can keep barking but history will not be changed.
so long from west coast USA

The resolution precisely determines that the status of Kosovo, as it is today, cannot be brought into question. The fact that the status cannot be questioned implies that there will be no discussion on the borders that is division of Kosovo. Now, we should look to the future. Moreover, Serbia and Kosovo should discuss their EU paths for the sake of their citizens, and this should be the focus of the dialogue," Lunacek said.

Lunacek makes me sick. It is so obvious that agendas are more at play here than really trying to find true solutions. When most of the countries of the world over nearly the last three years have NOT recognized Kosovo's UDI, Lunacek wants us to accept unchangeable borders for the sake of Kosovo's "future". A "future" built on force, crime and deception will never be a peaceful future.

On which resolution daughter of Doris Pack, talks about? Only one resolution (1244) exist.

" It is so obvious that agendas are more at play here than really trying to find true solutions." (Rick)

-- Well, she kind of has a point. The EU has invested a lot of time, money, and resources into its timeshare and isn't interested in seeing its possession be given up. Pet projects, no matter how wayward they stray from original envisions, become the guarded possession of stubborn benefactors determined to one day make it right. And let's be honest: with the state Kosovo has found itself in lately, is its return to Serbia proper any more of an asset than a liability? Kosovo is an EU protectorate and officials like Lunacek are determined to keep it so. They'll be more than happy to gut Kosovo's sovereignty for the sake of outward stability but at the end of the day, Kosovo will remain in their eyes a separate entity from Serbia, no matter how weak and dysfunctional it becomes.

Ulrike Lunacek has to say that Kosovo is a “done deal” because she is after all the EP rapporteur for Kosovo plus the negotiations have not even started yet and to pre-empt any agreement would be seen as a sellout by the losing side. The idea is for the “two parties” to agree. You have to look at the direction of the talks and not what’s said now by politicians. The best way to see who will win in the long run is through money. If the EU has the funds to keep Kosovo going then well and good but if not then they are going to sell out the Albanians.
Let’s face it with over 85% unemployment in Kosovo and its entire administration paid for by the EU; well you work it out.
It has already been stated over and over again that the initial talks will not cover status, but small and non-politically sensitive issues. Status will be discussed down the track and I’d guess sometime in 2013.

The way I see this is that status is unresolved and they want to keep it that way for the moment. Sure we'll get ethnic Albanians saying KiM is independent and Serbians saying it is part of Serbia but the reality is that it is somewhere in between (more than autonomous less than independent).

Once we get the technical details out of the way I suspect avoiding status will be very difficult and will eventually get on the agenda. All this mention of status is neither here nor there at the moment.

The most important thing for now is to start talking and it seems Pristina is having many difficulties with that.

LOL! I love the K.ALbs no b92.

"DONE DEAL"

Like you come on a website, from a country you want nothing to be apart of, to convince us to think your way.

So either A. Serbias position in this does count and you cannot make unilateral moves, or B. you are just trying to convince your selfs of this fantasy you wish to have.


So who are you guys trying to convince? Us or you?

Nema Predaje

No disrespect for Serbians but will you guys ever get it that Albanians in Kosovo will never talk to Serbia about Kosovo's status!
Kosovo is a done deal, I just wish that we, people in Kosovo will be able to get rid of some criminals we have in our government, starting with Thaci and few more, they belong in prison for rest of their lives.
I really hope that one day Albanians and Serbs could live like a good neighbours and try to improve our relations for the sakes of our children. It's never too late to start working together for a better future.
Peace be with all of us.

The talks will be about status. It doesnt matter what the news companies are saying.

What are they going to talk about? Life-issues, missing people? .... Isnt this the responsibilty of "mother-EU" ?

Kosovo is a hole in the Balkans, what can Kosovo offer to Serbia? Anyone have a clue? ....

The list is endless of what Serbia can offer Kosovo, bottom line.

The discussions will be about the North. Bringing in Serb troops to protect the Serb civilians living there.

Next step; Serbia's follow up discussion with the EU/USA.... When will Serb forces be deployed into Pristina.

Its taking a long time, but we're getting there.

(Mendo, 26 January 2011 11:25)

Yes, I know you have managed to improve the working statistics – it called a pen.

If Kosovo had 50% unemployment rate your Albos would be hollowing from the roof tops. The only source of real employment is the “government” and even that is totally funded by the EU.

However, I maybe wrong and if so please tell me what industries operate in Kosovo that seems to employ 50% of its inhabitants? Or you might want to explain why are your compatriots seeking Serbian documentation to leave paradise to go to other parts of Europe? Or paying people smugglers.

In the past I have repeatedly asked the Albanians to spell out the employment opportunities in Kosovo, but not one has come back to provide this information. There is no point in defending the indefensible.
II strongly suggest that next time you think it through before posting.

(Mendo, 26 January 2011 11:25)

Yes, I know you have managed to improve the working statistics – it called a pen.

If Kosovo had 50% unemployment rate your Albos would be hollowing from the roof tops. The only source of real employment is the “government” and even that is totally funded by the EU.

However, I maybe wrong and if so please tell me what industries operate in Kosovo that seems to employ 50% of its inhabitants? Or you might want to explain why are your compatriots seeking Serbian documentation to leave paradise to go to other parts of Europe? Or paying people smugglers.

In the past I have repeatedly asked the Albanians to spell out the employment opportunities in Kosovo, but not one has come back to provide this information. There is no point in defending the indefensible.
II strongly suggest that next time you think it through before posting.

Like you come on a website, from a country you want nothing to be apart of, to convince us to think your way.
Nema Predaje
(Nikola, 25 January 2011 18:36)

hmmm... lets see, according you nikola, this website from another country... puts out its propaganda in a language NOT your own, provides its news feed on my Search Engine where people NOT from your country can see it.

And then you get upset when others respond with the truth, and lacking any proper response, you make a nervous joke.

come now, who are you guys trying to convince? Us or you?

The resolution precisely determines that the status of Kosovo, as it is today, cannot be brought into question. The fact that the status cannot be questioned implies that there will be no discussion on the borders that is division of Kosovo. Now, we should look to the future. Moreover, Serbia and Kosovo should discuss their EU paths for the sake of their citizens, and this should be the focus of the dialogue," Lunacek said.

Lunacek makes me sick. It is so obvious that agendas are more at play here than really trying to find true solutions. When most of the countries of the world over nearly the last three years have NOT recognized Kosovo's UDI, Lunacek wants us to accept unchangeable borders for the sake of Kosovo's "future". A "future" built on force, crime and deception will never be a peaceful future.

LOL! I love the K.ALbs no b92.

"DONE DEAL"

Like you come on a website, from a country you want nothing to be apart of, to convince us to think your way.

So either A. Serbias position in this does count and you cannot make unilateral moves, or B. you are just trying to convince your selfs of this fantasy you wish to have.


So who are you guys trying to convince? Us or you?

Nema Predaje

On which resolution daughter of Doris Pack, talks about? Only one resolution (1244) exist.

Ulrike Lunacek has to say that Kosovo is a “done deal” because she is after all the EP rapporteur for Kosovo plus the negotiations have not even started yet and to pre-empt any agreement would be seen as a sellout by the losing side. The idea is for the “two parties” to agree. You have to look at the direction of the talks and not what’s said now by politicians. The best way to see who will win in the long run is through money. If the EU has the funds to keep Kosovo going then well and good but if not then they are going to sell out the Albanians.
Let’s face it with over 85% unemployment in Kosovo and its entire administration paid for by the EU; well you work it out.
It has already been stated over and over again that the initial talks will not cover status, but small and non-politically sensitive issues. Status will be discussed down the track and I’d guess sometime in 2013.

The way I see this is that status is unresolved and they want to keep it that way for the moment. Sure we'll get ethnic Albanians saying KiM is independent and Serbians saying it is part of Serbia but the reality is that it is somewhere in between (more than autonomous less than independent).

Once we get the technical details out of the way I suspect avoiding status will be very difficult and will eventually get on the agenda. All this mention of status is neither here nor there at the moment.

The most important thing for now is to start talking and it seems Pristina is having many difficulties with that.

" It is so obvious that agendas are more at play here than really trying to find true solutions." (Rick)

-- Well, she kind of has a point. The EU has invested a lot of time, money, and resources into its timeshare and isn't interested in seeing its possession be given up. Pet projects, no matter how wayward they stray from original envisions, become the guarded possession of stubborn benefactors determined to one day make it right. And let's be honest: with the state Kosovo has found itself in lately, is its return to Serbia proper any more of an asset than a liability? Kosovo is an EU protectorate and officials like Lunacek are determined to keep it so. They'll be more than happy to gut Kosovo's sovereignty for the sake of outward stability but at the end of the day, Kosovo will remain in their eyes a separate entity from Serbia, no matter how weak and dysfunctional it becomes.

What did we say all the time?

Whatever the Dick Marty report, whatever the Serb politicians, whatever the news papers, whatever the Serb-extrimist say:

KOSOVA IS A DONE DEAL!

Point final

Tung

We all know that there is no statues talk as Kosovo's status is already solved. Only the extreme Serbs here on B92 keep dreaming about the status talk. Let me tell you that even if USA an EU say we should talk about status there is not a single K-albanian that wants to discus this as for us Independence is a done deal but I don't hear USA or European Union say that we should talk about status, that's good because they know there is no chance they can make us talk about that.

yes well, reading the mep's words its plain as day to understand, and very clear in its meaning, and one would expect there is no confusion on the matter.

that being said, lets sit back and wait for the next hundred articles that quote serbian leadership telling its population the exact opposite.

@rick
Serbia already has no authority of any kind whatsoever in kosovo. No matter what your position is on independence.

What true solutions do you want? serbian violence and terror failed. Kosovo will never give anything wich serbs failed to steal "just because"

Why is it that you dont seem to understand the fact that serbia can lose nothing, it has nothing. Desires and motivations mean less than nothing.

It does not matter what the rest of the world thinks, This dialogue was serbias (your) response to the ICJ ruling. Serbia itself took no further legal challenge to kosovo's independence.

so why does Lunacek makes you "sick"?

Serbia was told exactly what to expect. Why doesnt serbia make you sick?

Why are you angry at the people who tell you the truth, but not at the people who lied and appeased your emotions to string you along all this time?

A "future" built on force, crime and deception will never be a peaceful future.
(Rick, 25 January 2011 14:36)
Exactly why Kosovo had to break away from Serbia.

Kosova is done deal neither the status or borders will be changed. (yeah it might change if all of sudden USA gets nuked to stone age and some Russian Chinese blocks dominates the world. (thats a wishfull thinkig of few poor serbian souls that still dream bout the big Serbia)
Kosova is gonne "commerads" yeah Dick can keep barking but history will not be changed.
so long from west coast USA

@ SJ

No Kosovo has 110% unemployment, I wonder where do you get your figures? 85% hahahah
Even with 85% unemployment we prefer Kosovo then Republic of Serbia because startin in the late 80s there were 95% of Kosovar Albanians unemplyed including my father was sacked from the regime so now if we look at your fake figures( because in reality there is 50% unemployed ) we managed to improve the working statistics.

No disrespect for Serbians but will you guys ever get it that Albanians in Kosovo will never talk to Serbia about Kosovo's status!
Kosovo is a done deal, I just wish that we, people in Kosovo will be able to get rid of some criminals we have in our government, starting with Thaci and few more, they belong in prison for rest of their lives.
I really hope that one day Albanians and Serbs could live like a good neighbours and try to improve our relations for the sakes of our children. It's never too late to start working together for a better future.
Peace be with all of us.

The talks will be about status. It doesnt matter what the news companies are saying.

What are they going to talk about? Life-issues, missing people? .... Isnt this the responsibilty of "mother-EU" ?

Kosovo is a hole in the Balkans, what can Kosovo offer to Serbia? Anyone have a clue? ....

The list is endless of what Serbia can offer Kosovo, bottom line.

The discussions will be about the North. Bringing in Serb troops to protect the Serb civilians living there.

Next step; Serbia's follow up discussion with the EU/USA.... When will Serb forces be deployed into Pristina.

Its taking a long time, but we're getting there.

(Mendo, 26 January 2011 11:25)

Yes, I know you have managed to improve the working statistics – it called a pen.

If Kosovo had 50% unemployment rate your Albos would be hollowing from the roof tops. The only source of real employment is the “government” and even that is totally funded by the EU.

However, I maybe wrong and if so please tell me what industries operate in Kosovo that seems to employ 50% of its inhabitants? Or you might want to explain why are your compatriots seeking Serbian documentation to leave paradise to go to other parts of Europe? Or paying people smugglers.

In the past I have repeatedly asked the Albanians to spell out the employment opportunities in Kosovo, but not one has come back to provide this information. There is no point in defending the indefensible.
II strongly suggest that next time you think it through before posting.

(Mendo, 26 January 2011 11:25)

Yes, I know you have managed to improve the working statistics – it called a pen.

If Kosovo had 50% unemployment rate your Albos would be hollowing from the roof tops. The only source of real employment is the “government” and even that is totally funded by the EU.

However, I maybe wrong and if so please tell me what industries operate in Kosovo that seems to employ 50% of its inhabitants? Or you might want to explain why are your compatriots seeking Serbian documentation to leave paradise to go to other parts of Europe? Or paying people smugglers.

In the past I have repeatedly asked the Albanians to spell out the employment opportunities in Kosovo, but not one has come back to provide this information. There is no point in defending the indefensible.
II strongly suggest that next time you think it through before posting.

Like you come on a website, from a country you want nothing to be apart of, to convince us to think your way.
Nema Predaje
(Nikola, 25 January 2011 18:36)

hmmm... lets see, according you nikola, this website from another country... puts out its propaganda in a language NOT your own, provides its news feed on my Search Engine where people NOT from your country can see it.

And then you get upset when others respond with the truth, and lacking any proper response, you make a nervous joke.

come now, who are you guys trying to convince? Us or you?