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Monday, 24.01.2011.

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"Enough evidence for organ investigation"

A former UNMIK Forensics and Missing Persons Office chief says <a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=12&dd=14&nav_id=71512" class="text-link" target= "_blank">the Marty report</a> offers a sufficient number of facts for initiation of a criminal investigation.

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Zoran

pre 13 godina

Zoran
How the hell is well known that albanians have been doing organ trafficking to themselves for a long time? This is really an outrageous accusation even from a person that knows nothing but to hate. How in the hell something is well known to you when I myself live in Kosovo and never have I read nor heard about something like that?
You can hate all you want man, but really you can not lie in the name of hater.
(Simpatiku, 24 January 2011 23:47)
--
Simpatiku, Albanians have been doing it to themselves in Albania. There is more than enough information about it on the internet but you'll have to filter out all of the KiM articles now. Here is a video -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkUvOjnwE-Q

This is not about organ extraction of Serbians but of Albanians in Albania by Albanians. It is mentioned a couple of times in the video.

Rocky

pre 13 godina

Enough evidence for organ investigation
-- ??
INSPIRATION is slippery stuff. Like soap in the bath, it escapes from you when you try to cling too tightly to it. One moment you feel sure you have it, the next you realise your state of false certainty is preventing you from asking the right questions.

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

PRN, we are all very sorry for you, just one click below, and maybe but very very doubtfully it will click into your brain...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/24/hashim-thaci-kosovo-organised-crime

Simpatiku

pre 13 godina

Zoran said:

I wouldn't dismiss the organ trafficking crimes outright because it is well known Albanians have been doing this to themselves for a long time but how much evidence is left of Serbians organ harvesting is unknown. I suspect a lot of it will come from witness testimonies.

Zoran
How the hell is well known that albanians have been doing organ trafficking to themselves for a long time? This is really an outrageous accusation even from a person that knows nothing but to hate. How in the hell something is well known to you when I myself live in Kosovo and never have I read nor heard about something like that?
You can hate all you want man, but really you can not lie in the name of hater.

arti

pre 13 godina

Is this the same Baryabar that signed this document?

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2008/11/20/Albania.pdf

"Conclusion:

Based on our examinations, in our opinion there are no conclusive ecvidence that persons have been bleeding as a result of criminal acts in the house south-west of Burrel in Albania.

...

The family living in the examinated residence gave us free access to all the rooms, and we were able to perform our examinations without any important limitations."

IUPM

pre 13 godina

And we are sad for you too, PRN. Because you never admit anything negative about Albanians. You always shout "Innocent", if an Albanian is accused of anything, without waiting to hear the evidence - as in this organ-harvesting case. Pull your head out of your butt, and stop playing the victim. I think today, people want the truth, no matter what side committed something.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

It is difficult for Thaqi to say: 'Investigate the organ / war crime stuff, but ignore the rest of the report'
(nikshala, 24 January 2011 12:37)
--
I wouldn't dismiss the organ trafficking crimes outright because it is well known Albanians have been doing this to themselves for a long time but how much evidence is left of Serbians organ harvesting is unknown. I suspect a lot of it will come from witness testimonies.

I do agree that once the can of worms is opened then the investigators cannot simply contain the scope to organ trafficking/harvesting. It will expose the Albanian mafia and their drug, people and organ trafficking to name a few. This is good for the region and anyone who doesn't support it should hang their head in shame.

LR

pre 13 godina

"I am particularly satisfied that the allegations of a camp in Kukes, Albania, were confirmed"

1. What does this have to do with 'organs' ? Nothing

2. EULEX and UNMIK have already arrested people for the 'camps,' years ago.

Did you read Marty's interview in Switzerland: 'Not even his friends speak to me, they said I have brought shame to Switzerland' he said, because of having provided no proof. Amazing how Seselj's lies went all the way to Dicka marty

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Some people are so desperate!

I am sad for for them.
(PRN, 24 January 2011 13:53)
--
This is what you wrote last week:
==
New week, and I await the new recognition.
Guess who is next! I know the name but I would spare it which also mean sparing some Serbian taxpayers money for an useless trip that would little Vuk undertake to convince the leader of the country to wait. IT IS NEVERTHELESS POINTLESS. DECISIONS have already been taken, only formal recognition is to be issued.
(PRN, 17 January 2011 11:52)
--
The week is over PRN and no recognition. I have to admit that your "predictions" are consistently wrong. I was waiting for a quick succession of recognitions but when I read your statement above I had doubts it would occur knowing your reputation for getting things wrong.

Oh well...

Top

pre 13 godina

"That is the truth that no one wanted to accept. I have seen the camp by myself, but the people in Kosovo kept denying the fact. "

And people in Kosovo, including the fraud-elected leaders, keep denying it even nowadays. The truth will come out, eventually...

PRN

pre 13 godina

"Enough evidence for organ investigation"

I think this is becoming evident even for less intelligent Serbs let alone for rational ones. But we have super 'super' intelligent people in this thread that would like other to think what they preach, in which they too themselves DO NOT BELIEVE, but would like to be true.

Some people are so desperate!

I am sad for for them.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

One of the most important things now is to create a witness protection program. Watch how many people come out of the woodwork when that happens.

I can understand that many many ethnic Albanians live in fear now but hopefully that will soon change.

nikshala

pre 13 godina

I think albanians want an investigation into these claims more than anyone else. Personally I believe that the organ removal allegations are false - not because of some belief that we albanians are angels and we would never hurt serbs - but because no credible evidence has been found or presented yet. If there was, we would have heard about it by now - if not from Marty, certainly from his source i.e. the serbian prosecution office.

In my opinion, this report had a political goal, which it achieved to a large degree by creating a 'black cloud' over Kosovo which will remain there, even after the investigations come back with nothing.

What Marty has cleverly done is that he has merged the horrible organ removal /war crimes accusations with lesser ones regarding criminal involvement and corruption after the war. And this makes it difficult for Thaqi and others accused to invited a full international investigation because, whilst they will be cleared of the war crimes accussation, they will most likely be found involved in criminal activity / corruption. And this will also be the end of their political careers.

It is difficult for Thaqi to say: 'Investigate the organ / war crime stuff, but ignore the rest of the report'

kate

pre 13 godina

@ Kosova-USA - The fact that evidence was destroyed and they came up empty handed even though there was a strong case is sure to be part of the investigation this time around.

Daniel

pre 13 godina

Yes, Kosova-USA, he is welcome to conduct another investigation and there will be another investigation. I didn't know we need permission from you to conduct another investigation. You think way too much of yourself for someone who has done nothing in life.

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

ICTY office within UNMIK conducted an investigation based on your lies and came up empty handed.You are welcome to conduct another one, if that makes you feel better. The end result will be zilch.

kate

pre 13 godina

@ Kosova-USA - The fact that evidence was destroyed and they came up empty handed even though there was a strong case is sure to be part of the investigation this time around.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

One of the most important things now is to create a witness protection program. Watch how many people come out of the woodwork when that happens.

I can understand that many many ethnic Albanians live in fear now but hopefully that will soon change.

Top

pre 13 godina

"That is the truth that no one wanted to accept. I have seen the camp by myself, but the people in Kosovo kept denying the fact. "

And people in Kosovo, including the fraud-elected leaders, keep denying it even nowadays. The truth will come out, eventually...

Daniel

pre 13 godina

Yes, Kosova-USA, he is welcome to conduct another investigation and there will be another investigation. I didn't know we need permission from you to conduct another investigation. You think way too much of yourself for someone who has done nothing in life.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Some people are so desperate!

I am sad for for them.
(PRN, 24 January 2011 13:53)
--
This is what you wrote last week:
==
New week, and I await the new recognition.
Guess who is next! I know the name but I would spare it which also mean sparing some Serbian taxpayers money for an useless trip that would little Vuk undertake to convince the leader of the country to wait. IT IS NEVERTHELESS POINTLESS. DECISIONS have already been taken, only formal recognition is to be issued.
(PRN, 17 January 2011 11:52)
--
The week is over PRN and no recognition. I have to admit that your "predictions" are consistently wrong. I was waiting for a quick succession of recognitions but when I read your statement above I had doubts it would occur knowing your reputation for getting things wrong.

Oh well...

IUPM

pre 13 godina

And we are sad for you too, PRN. Because you never admit anything negative about Albanians. You always shout "Innocent", if an Albanian is accused of anything, without waiting to hear the evidence - as in this organ-harvesting case. Pull your head out of your butt, and stop playing the victim. I think today, people want the truth, no matter what side committed something.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

It is difficult for Thaqi to say: 'Investigate the organ / war crime stuff, but ignore the rest of the report'
(nikshala, 24 January 2011 12:37)
--
I wouldn't dismiss the organ trafficking crimes outright because it is well known Albanians have been doing this to themselves for a long time but how much evidence is left of Serbians organ harvesting is unknown. I suspect a lot of it will come from witness testimonies.

I do agree that once the can of worms is opened then the investigators cannot simply contain the scope to organ trafficking/harvesting. It will expose the Albanian mafia and their drug, people and organ trafficking to name a few. This is good for the region and anyone who doesn't support it should hang their head in shame.

Rocky

pre 13 godina

Enough evidence for organ investigation
-- ??
INSPIRATION is slippery stuff. Like soap in the bath, it escapes from you when you try to cling too tightly to it. One moment you feel sure you have it, the next you realise your state of false certainty is preventing you from asking the right questions.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Zoran
How the hell is well known that albanians have been doing organ trafficking to themselves for a long time? This is really an outrageous accusation even from a person that knows nothing but to hate. How in the hell something is well known to you when I myself live in Kosovo and never have I read nor heard about something like that?
You can hate all you want man, but really you can not lie in the name of hater.
(Simpatiku, 24 January 2011 23:47)
--
Simpatiku, Albanians have been doing it to themselves in Albania. There is more than enough information about it on the internet but you'll have to filter out all of the KiM articles now. Here is a video -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkUvOjnwE-Q

This is not about organ extraction of Serbians but of Albanians in Albania by Albanians. It is mentioned a couple of times in the video.

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

PRN, we are all very sorry for you, just one click below, and maybe but very very doubtfully it will click into your brain...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/24/hashim-thaci-kosovo-organised-crime

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

ICTY office within UNMIK conducted an investigation based on your lies and came up empty handed.You are welcome to conduct another one, if that makes you feel better. The end result will be zilch.

PRN

pre 13 godina

"Enough evidence for organ investigation"

I think this is becoming evident even for less intelligent Serbs let alone for rational ones. But we have super 'super' intelligent people in this thread that would like other to think what they preach, in which they too themselves DO NOT BELIEVE, but would like to be true.

Some people are so desperate!

I am sad for for them.

arti

pre 13 godina

Is this the same Baryabar that signed this document?

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2008/11/20/Albania.pdf

"Conclusion:

Based on our examinations, in our opinion there are no conclusive ecvidence that persons have been bleeding as a result of criminal acts in the house south-west of Burrel in Albania.

...

The family living in the examinated residence gave us free access to all the rooms, and we were able to perform our examinations without any important limitations."

nikshala

pre 13 godina

I think albanians want an investigation into these claims more than anyone else. Personally I believe that the organ removal allegations are false - not because of some belief that we albanians are angels and we would never hurt serbs - but because no credible evidence has been found or presented yet. If there was, we would have heard about it by now - if not from Marty, certainly from his source i.e. the serbian prosecution office.

In my opinion, this report had a political goal, which it achieved to a large degree by creating a 'black cloud' over Kosovo which will remain there, even after the investigations come back with nothing.

What Marty has cleverly done is that he has merged the horrible organ removal /war crimes accusations with lesser ones regarding criminal involvement and corruption after the war. And this makes it difficult for Thaqi and others accused to invited a full international investigation because, whilst they will be cleared of the war crimes accussation, they will most likely be found involved in criminal activity / corruption. And this will also be the end of their political careers.

It is difficult for Thaqi to say: 'Investigate the organ / war crime stuff, but ignore the rest of the report'

LR

pre 13 godina

"I am particularly satisfied that the allegations of a camp in Kukes, Albania, were confirmed"

1. What does this have to do with 'organs' ? Nothing

2. EULEX and UNMIK have already arrested people for the 'camps,' years ago.

Did you read Marty's interview in Switzerland: 'Not even his friends speak to me, they said I have brought shame to Switzerland' he said, because of having provided no proof. Amazing how Seselj's lies went all the way to Dicka marty

Simpatiku

pre 13 godina

Zoran said:

I wouldn't dismiss the organ trafficking crimes outright because it is well known Albanians have been doing this to themselves for a long time but how much evidence is left of Serbians organ harvesting is unknown. I suspect a lot of it will come from witness testimonies.

Zoran
How the hell is well known that albanians have been doing organ trafficking to themselves for a long time? This is really an outrageous accusation even from a person that knows nothing but to hate. How in the hell something is well known to you when I myself live in Kosovo and never have I read nor heard about something like that?
You can hate all you want man, but really you can not lie in the name of hater.

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

ICTY office within UNMIK conducted an investigation based on your lies and came up empty handed.You are welcome to conduct another one, if that makes you feel better. The end result will be zilch.

PRN

pre 13 godina

"Enough evidence for organ investigation"

I think this is becoming evident even for less intelligent Serbs let alone for rational ones. But we have super 'super' intelligent people in this thread that would like other to think what they preach, in which they too themselves DO NOT BELIEVE, but would like to be true.

Some people are so desperate!

I am sad for for them.

nikshala

pre 13 godina

I think albanians want an investigation into these claims more than anyone else. Personally I believe that the organ removal allegations are false - not because of some belief that we albanians are angels and we would never hurt serbs - but because no credible evidence has been found or presented yet. If there was, we would have heard about it by now - if not from Marty, certainly from his source i.e. the serbian prosecution office.

In my opinion, this report had a political goal, which it achieved to a large degree by creating a 'black cloud' over Kosovo which will remain there, even after the investigations come back with nothing.

What Marty has cleverly done is that he has merged the horrible organ removal /war crimes accusations with lesser ones regarding criminal involvement and corruption after the war. And this makes it difficult for Thaqi and others accused to invited a full international investigation because, whilst they will be cleared of the war crimes accussation, they will most likely be found involved in criminal activity / corruption. And this will also be the end of their political careers.

It is difficult for Thaqi to say: 'Investigate the organ / war crime stuff, but ignore the rest of the report'

LR

pre 13 godina

"I am particularly satisfied that the allegations of a camp in Kukes, Albania, were confirmed"

1. What does this have to do with 'organs' ? Nothing

2. EULEX and UNMIK have already arrested people for the 'camps,' years ago.

Did you read Marty's interview in Switzerland: 'Not even his friends speak to me, they said I have brought shame to Switzerland' he said, because of having provided no proof. Amazing how Seselj's lies went all the way to Dicka marty

arti

pre 13 godina

Is this the same Baryabar that signed this document?

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2008/11/20/Albania.pdf

"Conclusion:

Based on our examinations, in our opinion there are no conclusive ecvidence that persons have been bleeding as a result of criminal acts in the house south-west of Burrel in Albania.

...

The family living in the examinated residence gave us free access to all the rooms, and we were able to perform our examinations without any important limitations."

Simpatiku

pre 13 godina

Zoran said:

I wouldn't dismiss the organ trafficking crimes outright because it is well known Albanians have been doing this to themselves for a long time but how much evidence is left of Serbians organ harvesting is unknown. I suspect a lot of it will come from witness testimonies.

Zoran
How the hell is well known that albanians have been doing organ trafficking to themselves for a long time? This is really an outrageous accusation even from a person that knows nothing but to hate. How in the hell something is well known to you when I myself live in Kosovo and never have I read nor heard about something like that?
You can hate all you want man, but really you can not lie in the name of hater.

kate

pre 13 godina

@ Kosova-USA - The fact that evidence was destroyed and they came up empty handed even though there was a strong case is sure to be part of the investigation this time around.

Daniel

pre 13 godina

Yes, Kosova-USA, he is welcome to conduct another investigation and there will be another investigation. I didn't know we need permission from you to conduct another investigation. You think way too much of yourself for someone who has done nothing in life.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

One of the most important things now is to create a witness protection program. Watch how many people come out of the woodwork when that happens.

I can understand that many many ethnic Albanians live in fear now but hopefully that will soon change.

Top

pre 13 godina

"That is the truth that no one wanted to accept. I have seen the camp by myself, but the people in Kosovo kept denying the fact. "

And people in Kosovo, including the fraud-elected leaders, keep denying it even nowadays. The truth will come out, eventually...

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Some people are so desperate!

I am sad for for them.
(PRN, 24 January 2011 13:53)
--
This is what you wrote last week:
==
New week, and I await the new recognition.
Guess who is next! I know the name but I would spare it which also mean sparing some Serbian taxpayers money for an useless trip that would little Vuk undertake to convince the leader of the country to wait. IT IS NEVERTHELESS POINTLESS. DECISIONS have already been taken, only formal recognition is to be issued.
(PRN, 17 January 2011 11:52)
--
The week is over PRN and no recognition. I have to admit that your "predictions" are consistently wrong. I was waiting for a quick succession of recognitions but when I read your statement above I had doubts it would occur knowing your reputation for getting things wrong.

Oh well...

IUPM

pre 13 godina

And we are sad for you too, PRN. Because you never admit anything negative about Albanians. You always shout "Innocent", if an Albanian is accused of anything, without waiting to hear the evidence - as in this organ-harvesting case. Pull your head out of your butt, and stop playing the victim. I think today, people want the truth, no matter what side committed something.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

It is difficult for Thaqi to say: 'Investigate the organ / war crime stuff, but ignore the rest of the report'
(nikshala, 24 January 2011 12:37)
--
I wouldn't dismiss the organ trafficking crimes outright because it is well known Albanians have been doing this to themselves for a long time but how much evidence is left of Serbians organ harvesting is unknown. I suspect a lot of it will come from witness testimonies.

I do agree that once the can of worms is opened then the investigators cannot simply contain the scope to organ trafficking/harvesting. It will expose the Albanian mafia and their drug, people and organ trafficking to name a few. This is good for the region and anyone who doesn't support it should hang their head in shame.

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

PRN, we are all very sorry for you, just one click below, and maybe but very very doubtfully it will click into your brain...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/24/hashim-thaci-kosovo-organised-crime

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Zoran
How the hell is well known that albanians have been doing organ trafficking to themselves for a long time? This is really an outrageous accusation even from a person that knows nothing but to hate. How in the hell something is well known to you when I myself live in Kosovo and never have I read nor heard about something like that?
You can hate all you want man, but really you can not lie in the name of hater.
(Simpatiku, 24 January 2011 23:47)
--
Simpatiku, Albanians have been doing it to themselves in Albania. There is more than enough information about it on the internet but you'll have to filter out all of the KiM articles now. Here is a video -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkUvOjnwE-Q

This is not about organ extraction of Serbians but of Albanians in Albania by Albanians. It is mentioned a couple of times in the video.

Rocky

pre 13 godina

Enough evidence for organ investigation
-- ??
INSPIRATION is slippery stuff. Like soap in the bath, it escapes from you when you try to cling too tightly to it. One moment you feel sure you have it, the next you realise your state of false certainty is preventing you from asking the right questions.