Belgrade "ready for talks for long time”

“Otherwise we would go back to what Ahtisaari had offered us and that’s unacceptable and unsustainable. If we begin this way, then the talks will be meaningless,” he was quoted as saying.


He also added that “we are prepared to be constructive and there are no taboos for us”.

When asked whether partition of Kosovo was a “taboo”, Ponoš said that “this is not our negotiating position and we will see what the other side will come up with”.


Once again Serb politicinas talking from both sides of their mouths. what else is new? stop waising our time

The first 4 comments to this story are meaningless and worthless. Just more repeats of, "We're a state", "We're a state", this sounds like unconvincing desperation. BTW, who recognized Kosovo as an Albanian state, the same nations that are now being accused of major cover ups concerning the hideous crimes of the KLA?

"We've been ready for a long time" and it's all Prishtina's fault, we're good, they're bad ...

It would be better not to translate these statements into English. Leave them to hearten the Serbs, if that's what they do, without playing the fool for the rest of the world.

"We've been ready for months" Wasn't it 2-3 days ago they announced who would be heading up the negotiating team?

So now you say that the start of talks dependes on Prishtina? Until yesterday by your logic nothing dependent on Prishtina. All was controled by EU and US you thought.

The talks will be held on an equal level and if Belgrade is represented as a state then Prishtina will also be represented as a state. Do you serbs know that the ''other side'' is representatives of Kosovo?

So now you say that the start of talks dependes on Prishtina? Until yesterday by your logic nothing dependent on Prishtina. All was controled by EU and US you thought.

The talks will be held on an equal level and if Belgrade is represented as a state then Prishtina will also be represented as a state. Do you serbs know that the ''other side'' is representatives of Kosovo?

"Serbs are 100% correct what they are doing - after all it's politics and putting them self in positive light is always a good idea.

(Ataman, 24 January 2011 12:42)"

1st, thanks for explaining about the shirt. I'm sure there's an English equivalent, I just can't think of it right now. Something about not poking a hornets' nest, maybe?

2nd, I question whether constantly rattling on about one's being in a better position is all that smart - it really looks like begging for approval, which is pathetic. If a kid of mine tried something like that, I'd shut him up pretty quick, simply because it's so annoying to listen to. There's something to be said for maintaining a manly silence, you know.

The Albanians/Illyrians are also ready to talk since the 80' but you weren't.

Now it is your time to wait!

Untill we - Albanians/illyrians - give the go-ahead.

Tung

"We've been ready for a long time" and it's all Prishtina's fault, we're good, they're bad ...

It would be better not to translate these statements into English. Leave them to hearten the Serbs, if that's what they do, without playing the fool for the rest of the world.
Amer

Amer, it will take years and years until the Serbs will be ready. By that time the number of Serbs in Kosovo will probably dwindle to 50,000.

"We've been ready for a long time" and it's all Prishtina's fault, we're good, they're bad ...
(Amer, 23 January 2011 15:44)

You said the second part. Serbs said only that they are ready.

That reminds me:

"Akinek nem inge, ne vegye magára" = if it's not your shirt, don't put it on.

Do you know the difference between "announced" and "appointed"....?
(Milan T, 23 January 2011 20:17)
And you have evidence he was appointed months ago. If they were to say it, I am sure that you would trust the words of a govt that kept it a secret for months and for what reason.

""We've been ready for a long time" and it's all Prishtina's fault, we're good, they're bad ...
(Amer, 23 January 2011 15:44)

You said the second part. Serbs said only that they are ready.

That reminds me:

"Akinek nem inge, ne vegye magára" = if it's not your shirt, don't put it on.
(Ataman

I don't think Amer understand Hungarian.
By the way Ataman do your kids have Hungarian friends?

"We've been ready for months" Wasn't it 2-3 days ago they announced who would be heading up the negotiating team?
(???, 23 January 2011 13:09)

Do you know the difference between "announced" and "appointed"....?

""Akinek nem inge, ne vegye magára" = if it's not your shirt, don't put it on.
(Ataman, 23 January 2011 18:35) "

If that means, it's none of your business - then what are any of us who don't live in either country doing here? (Me, I'm supporting the underdog, just helping to even up the sides.)
(Amer, 23 January 2011 15:44)

No, it's not that rude. It means a different thing: "it does not apply, don't deal with it". A better example maybe. Years ago I had some few bad memories about Kosovo and I came to this web site to clarify. I wrote somewhat like:

"I never had any problems in exYugoslavia except one region" (without naming the region). Immediately a few dozen of trolls descended on me yelling: "you bad boy, you hate Albanians".

Than that saying applies in full force.

-----

And as far as my adding the second part - sure, but after the number of times this story has been repeated with only minor variations, it's pretty clear what the implication is, even if they don't dare to put it in precisely those terms.
(Amer, 23 January 2011 15:44)

I think, Serbian side has it very easy this time. They can say (and they do say) at any time "we are ready" because Pristina is in total chaos and every day things look worse and worse for the government there. Ready or not in the reality: Serbs are 100% correct what they are doing - after all it's politics and putting them self in positive light is always a good idea.

---

By the way Ataman do your kids have Hungarian friends?
(Joe, 24 January 2011 00:16)

The question itself is shocking. Yes, of course. I do, too.

Now my question. I never seen anyone, including the most ridiculous trolls on both sides use this kind of argument: "I have three houses but you for sure can't afford a lunch in a French restaurant". You do it frequently in lieu of political debate. Do you think this will do any good job? Just curious.

you "can't afford a lunch in a French restaurant".
Ataman

You master of distortion. I aluded to the fact that you talked about French cathedrals (downplaying them) without having seen any of them because you could not afford to visite France.
I never talked about you not be able to afford a lunch in a French restaurant.
Many countries have French restaurants. People can have lunch in one of them without having to go to France.
As for your kids having Hungarian friends I am glad about it. I thought they had only friends in Dohany utca. This way they can better appreciate their adoptive country.

""Akinek nem inge, ne vegye magára" = if it's not your shirt, don't put it on.
(Ataman, 23 January 2011 18:35) "

If that means, it's none of your business - then what are any of us who don't live in either country doing here? (Me, I'm supporting the underdog, just helping to even up the sides.)

And as far as my adding the second part - sure, but after the number of times this story has been repeated with only minor variations, it's pretty clear what the implication is, even if they don't dare to put it in precisely those terms.

If the Serbs have to discontinue the talks after they're started because of elections, I wonder whether the Albanians will do the same thing? You guys have been warned how it will be taken: not well. People have to be allowed food, sleep, and time for elections.

2nd, I question whether constantly rattling on about one's being in a better position is all that smart - it really looks like begging for approval, which is pathetic. If a kid of mine tried something like that, I'd shut him up pretty quick, simply because it's so annoying to listen to. There's something to be said for maintaining a manly silence, you know.
(Amer, 24 January 2011 18:21)

It's mocking, not approval-seeking. Culturally difficult to explain, never seen such patterns only on Hungarian forums. Interesting to observe that Serbs need Albanians and Albanians need Serbs to hate. Hungarians don't need anyone - they hate each other to a degree, they do not need enemies. Hungarian forums need to be moderated with iron fist.

As for your kids having Hungarian friends I am glad about it. I thought they had only friends in Dohany utca. This way they can better appreciate their adoptive country.
(Joe, 24 January 2011 18:16)

Joe, this is a mistake - next time try harder with somewhat else than "Dohány Street". That is not only a Szemi-plagiarism but somehow also a miss. Unless you really run out of your "dohány" in the bank. If that's the case - understand you being fixated on "dohány". Why don't you publish your book if you can't afford the Hungarian passport fee? Or you had to pay the translator to fill out the forms and he was asking to much?

FYI - I am not a specialist but according

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavellianism

"Machiavellianism is one of the three personality traits referred to as the dark triad, along with narcissism and psychopathy". Don't say I did not warn you.

-----

Cultural explanation to Amer. The proper Hungarian way to insult is direct only in the last phase - and there is a long way to reach it. What you see is a very complicated web of very fine, Byzantine mutual insults, none is direct but both parties try hard to hurt each other to the maximum. For some unexplained reason it is a national sport. I never seen it anywhere else. Joe's build-up with the kids and turning it around into "Dohány street" insult was not bad - but it was a plagiarism after Szemi. It was of course understood and some other insults given back. This is how Hungarians enjoy the life.

Now what happens if things go really direct? The most typical and most basic Hungarian swearing is:

"certain male part of a horse up into your behind" (using words B92 would not allow).

This is not just a simple swearing - the "male part of a horse" can also mean an impalement instrument Ottoman Turks used to torture the prisoners to extort some confession. It was not a killing instrument - rather instrument of judicial torture. But as result of it the prisoner could easily die in a painful death.

These are so-so, kind of, not the best ones. Enjoy!

http://tinyurl.com/65j6hbg

1st, thanks for explaining about the shirt. I'm sure there's an English equivalent, I just can't think of it right now. Something about not poking a hornets' nest, maybe?

(Amer, 24 January 2011 18:21)

No, can't really find it.

“Otherwise we would go back to what Ahtisaari had offered us and that’s unacceptable and unsustainable. If we begin this way, then the talks will be meaningless,” he was quoted as saying.


He also added that “we are prepared to be constructive and there are no taboos for us”.

When asked whether partition of Kosovo was a “taboo”, Ponoš said that “this is not our negotiating position and we will see what the other side will come up with”.


Once again Serb politicinas talking from both sides of their mouths. what else is new? stop waising our time

The first 4 comments to this story are meaningless and worthless. Just more repeats of, "We're a state", "We're a state", this sounds like unconvincing desperation. BTW, who recognized Kosovo as an Albanian state, the same nations that are now being accused of major cover ups concerning the hideous crimes of the KLA?

"We've been ready for months" Wasn't it 2-3 days ago they announced who would be heading up the negotiating team?

"We've been ready for a long time" and it's all Prishtina's fault, we're good, they're bad ...

It would be better not to translate these statements into English. Leave them to hearten the Serbs, if that's what they do, without playing the fool for the rest of the world.

So now you say that the start of talks dependes on Prishtina? Until yesterday by your logic nothing dependent on Prishtina. All was controled by EU and US you thought.

The talks will be held on an equal level and if Belgrade is represented as a state then Prishtina will also be represented as a state. Do you serbs know that the ''other side'' is representatives of Kosovo?

So now you say that the start of talks dependes on Prishtina? Until yesterday by your logic nothing dependent on Prishtina. All was controled by EU and US you thought.

The talks will be held on an equal level and if Belgrade is represented as a state then Prishtina will also be represented as a state. Do you serbs know that the ''other side'' is representatives of Kosovo?

"We've been ready for months" Wasn't it 2-3 days ago they announced who would be heading up the negotiating team?
(???, 23 January 2011 13:09)

Do you know the difference between "announced" and "appointed"....?

"We've been ready for a long time" and it's all Prishtina's fault, we're good, they're bad ...

It would be better not to translate these statements into English. Leave them to hearten the Serbs, if that's what they do, without playing the fool for the rest of the world.
Amer

Amer, it will take years and years until the Serbs will be ready. By that time the number of Serbs in Kosovo will probably dwindle to 50,000.

""Akinek nem inge, ne vegye magára" = if it's not your shirt, don't put it on.
(Ataman, 23 January 2011 18:35) "

If that means, it's none of your business - then what are any of us who don't live in either country doing here? (Me, I'm supporting the underdog, just helping to even up the sides.)

And as far as my adding the second part - sure, but after the number of times this story has been repeated with only minor variations, it's pretty clear what the implication is, even if they don't dare to put it in precisely those terms.

If the Serbs have to discontinue the talks after they're started because of elections, I wonder whether the Albanians will do the same thing? You guys have been warned how it will be taken: not well. People have to be allowed food, sleep, and time for elections.

The Albanians/Illyrians are also ready to talk since the 80' but you weren't.

Now it is your time to wait!

Untill we - Albanians/illyrians - give the go-ahead.

Tung

"We've been ready for a long time" and it's all Prishtina's fault, we're good, they're bad ...
(Amer, 23 January 2011 15:44)

You said the second part. Serbs said only that they are ready.

That reminds me:

"Akinek nem inge, ne vegye magára" = if it's not your shirt, don't put it on.

you "can't afford a lunch in a French restaurant".
Ataman

You master of distortion. I aluded to the fact that you talked about French cathedrals (downplaying them) without having seen any of them because you could not afford to visite France.
I never talked about you not be able to afford a lunch in a French restaurant.
Many countries have French restaurants. People can have lunch in one of them without having to go to France.
As for your kids having Hungarian friends I am glad about it. I thought they had only friends in Dohany utca. This way they can better appreciate their adoptive country.

Do you know the difference between "announced" and "appointed"....?
(Milan T, 23 January 2011 20:17)
And you have evidence he was appointed months ago. If they were to say it, I am sure that you would trust the words of a govt that kept it a secret for months and for what reason.

""We've been ready for a long time" and it's all Prishtina's fault, we're good, they're bad ...
(Amer, 23 January 2011 15:44)

You said the second part. Serbs said only that they are ready.

That reminds me:

"Akinek nem inge, ne vegye magára" = if it's not your shirt, don't put it on.
(Ataman

I don't think Amer understand Hungarian.
By the way Ataman do your kids have Hungarian friends?

""Akinek nem inge, ne vegye magára" = if it's not your shirt, don't put it on.
(Ataman, 23 January 2011 18:35) "

If that means, it's none of your business - then what are any of us who don't live in either country doing here? (Me, I'm supporting the underdog, just helping to even up the sides.)
(Amer, 23 January 2011 15:44)

No, it's not that rude. It means a different thing: "it does not apply, don't deal with it". A better example maybe. Years ago I had some few bad memories about Kosovo and I came to this web site to clarify. I wrote somewhat like:

"I never had any problems in exYugoslavia except one region" (without naming the region). Immediately a few dozen of trolls descended on me yelling: "you bad boy, you hate Albanians".

Than that saying applies in full force.

-----

And as far as my adding the second part - sure, but after the number of times this story has been repeated with only minor variations, it's pretty clear what the implication is, even if they don't dare to put it in precisely those terms.
(Amer, 23 January 2011 15:44)

I think, Serbian side has it very easy this time. They can say (and they do say) at any time "we are ready" because Pristina is in total chaos and every day things look worse and worse for the government there. Ready or not in the reality: Serbs are 100% correct what they are doing - after all it's politics and putting them self in positive light is always a good idea.

---

By the way Ataman do your kids have Hungarian friends?
(Joe, 24 January 2011 00:16)

The question itself is shocking. Yes, of course. I do, too.

Now my question. I never seen anyone, including the most ridiculous trolls on both sides use this kind of argument: "I have three houses but you for sure can't afford a lunch in a French restaurant". You do it frequently in lieu of political debate. Do you think this will do any good job? Just curious.

"Serbs are 100% correct what they are doing - after all it's politics and putting them self in positive light is always a good idea.

(Ataman, 24 January 2011 12:42)"

1st, thanks for explaining about the shirt. I'm sure there's an English equivalent, I just can't think of it right now. Something about not poking a hornets' nest, maybe?

2nd, I question whether constantly rattling on about one's being in a better position is all that smart - it really looks like begging for approval, which is pathetic. If a kid of mine tried something like that, I'd shut him up pretty quick, simply because it's so annoying to listen to. There's something to be said for maintaining a manly silence, you know.

2nd, I question whether constantly rattling on about one's being in a better position is all that smart - it really looks like begging for approval, which is pathetic. If a kid of mine tried something like that, I'd shut him up pretty quick, simply because it's so annoying to listen to. There's something to be said for maintaining a manly silence, you know.
(Amer, 24 January 2011 18:21)

It's mocking, not approval-seeking. Culturally difficult to explain, never seen such patterns only on Hungarian forums. Interesting to observe that Serbs need Albanians and Albanians need Serbs to hate. Hungarians don't need anyone - they hate each other to a degree, they do not need enemies. Hungarian forums need to be moderated with iron fist.

As for your kids having Hungarian friends I am glad about it. I thought they had only friends in Dohany utca. This way they can better appreciate their adoptive country.
(Joe, 24 January 2011 18:16)

Joe, this is a mistake - next time try harder with somewhat else than "Dohány Street". That is not only a Szemi-plagiarism but somehow also a miss. Unless you really run out of your "dohány" in the bank. If that's the case - understand you being fixated on "dohány". Why don't you publish your book if you can't afford the Hungarian passport fee? Or you had to pay the translator to fill out the forms and he was asking to much?

FYI - I am not a specialist but according

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavellianism

"Machiavellianism is one of the three personality traits referred to as the dark triad, along with narcissism and psychopathy". Don't say I did not warn you.

-----

Cultural explanation to Amer. The proper Hungarian way to insult is direct only in the last phase - and there is a long way to reach it. What you see is a very complicated web of very fine, Byzantine mutual insults, none is direct but both parties try hard to hurt each other to the maximum. For some unexplained reason it is a national sport. I never seen it anywhere else. Joe's build-up with the kids and turning it around into "Dohány street" insult was not bad - but it was a plagiarism after Szemi. It was of course understood and some other insults given back. This is how Hungarians enjoy the life.

Now what happens if things go really direct? The most typical and most basic Hungarian swearing is:

"certain male part of a horse up into your behind" (using words B92 would not allow).

This is not just a simple swearing - the "male part of a horse" can also mean an impalement instrument Ottoman Turks used to torture the prisoners to extort some confession. It was not a killing instrument - rather instrument of judicial torture. But as result of it the prisoner could easily die in a painful death.

These are so-so, kind of, not the best ones. Enjoy!

http://tinyurl.com/65j6hbg

1st, thanks for explaining about the shirt. I'm sure there's an English equivalent, I just can't think of it right now. Something about not poking a hornets' nest, maybe?

(Amer, 24 January 2011 18:21)

No, can't really find it.