"Recognize Kosovo, then join EU"

Let's see! Serbia is suppose to recognize the theft of it's own territory in order to join an organization on the verge of bankruptcy? Hmmmm!

If this is an indication of how Serbia will be treated in the EU, well they can go and shove it.

who cares what germany says and why would serbia want to join a broke Euro lol what is this guy joking are what serbia wants to be closer to the bric the superpower of military and money. China's economy is growing so big and India and Brazil and Russia and the military is getting built by Russia who cares about the euro but germnay should worry about the 4 million turks in their country that will want to have their own government in their majority parts which is allot. so to the germans worry about your own and not someone else's because nobody cares.

Yawn, she sounds a little desperate. Serbia will not recognise "Kosova" under any circumstances. Thank God EU membership is becoming more and more unpopular in Serbia.

Lets look at Cyprus. There is only one country - Turkey, a country that wants to join the EU and only it recognises Northern Cyprus. Why can't the EU solve that issue? What hope does it have with regard to "Kosova" when the overwhelming majority of the world and 5 of its own members don't recognise it?

If the EU can't solve the Cyprus problem then what hope does it have of solving KiM?

I love the title of this article.

I'm not surprised Lunacek made this statement, as she's consistently been one of the most vocal supporters for Kosovo's statehood. What's actually surprising is her statement yesterday lambasting electoral fraud and voter intimidation in the statelet she supports so openly.

But while I'm not surprised at Lunacek's "recognize or else" statement, I'm really not worried by this. I'd take this as far more seriously if dozens of countries had recognized Kosovo in the 6-month period since ICJ as opposed to the 4 or 5 micro-countries that have been bought by Pacolli. Moreover, with clear support from the EP supporting Serbia's SAA ratification, the last thing Eurocrats want to do is throw a wrench in the cogs by making Kosovo's recognition an ultimatum. Serbia's membership to them is far more important. Not for economic reasons (no country in SE Europe, Croatia included, is worth it) but for the symbolic practice of unifying Europe. I have every reason to believe that Belgrade will have to come to some sort of terms with Kosovo, largely via EULEX and the UN, before the end, but no one expects recognition. Lunacek is in the minority thinking Serbia’s membership is secondary to Kosovo’s recognition even if 5 present members do not recognize.

"Kosovo's ethnic Albanians unilaterally declared independence three years ago. Belgrade rejected the proclamation as illegal"

Wait a minute, wasent Serbia that took Kosovo independence to ICJ? dident it turn out as loss for Serbia? ICJ gave its opinion because Serbia asked for it and it turned out that Proclamation was not illegal.
B92 writters can you please write correctly because this type of missinformed writtings confuse readers.

Lunacek = Lunatic

"Lunacek went on to warn that "no country that does not recognize another country" will in the future be allowed to join the EU, because this organization "learned its lesson after Cyprus"."


What does she mean? Comparing Serbia with Cyprus, and Kosovo with Northern Cyprus? Or?

Everyone at the European Parliament, she continued, criticized Serbia for the fact that Ratko Mladić and Goran Hadžić had not been arrested.

"It is not enough to simply say, 'we're working on it', they must be arrested"
B92

In the last report we got from mullah Omar and the Egyptian doctor is that Ratko Mladic and Goran Hadcic were both hiding with Osama bin Laden and a whole lot of Croatian war criminals and Nazis.

"Serbia must recognize Kosovo. I hope this will happen soon, which would make the situation easier both for Kosovo and the EU," the Austrian politician told Radio Deutsche Welle.


I beleive serb polticinas are well aware of this as well as ordinary serbs. Time will tell.

Kosovo then block Kosovo's application. Kosovo and Serbia will join the EU at the same time.
(Ian, UK, 19 January 2011 19:40)
===========================

Politicians come and politicians go and the mood changes. We don't know what the future brings and this condition has never been formally given to Serbia so what one politician says is not important when they are not backed by official channels.

Now Serbia does not have to join EU to survive but "Kosova" has to join as many organisations as possible to survive as eventually donations will stop. Serbs have already said that they can shove their EU membership if it costs them Kosovo so really who cares?

There is no chance of Serbia joining the EU without recognising Kosovo first. I think it is funny that some people on here think that Serbia will get into the EU without recognising Kosovo then block Kosovo's application. Kosovo and Serbia will join the EU at the same time.

Limaj's and Thaci's ties and interests are stronger then Kosova's national interests???

It is obvious that no Gov.t with Limaj in would not have the international legitimacy.

Kosova doesn't need this.

Limaj can wait for couple of years untill his case is solved in tribunal and if found not guilty he can then join the Gov.t.

Albanians in the region have a history of siding with the wrong side. First it was the Ottoman Empire, then Austria-Hungary, then Mussolini’s Italy and the Third Reich. They even sided with the communists that was trying to keep the Serbs down. And now they try to side with the EU club of bankrupt nations and NATO. No surprise here. Well Serbia usually doesn't side with the wrong side, and should not do so this time either. Kick the EU out of Serbia and kick the fifth column of the EU out of parliament.

Lunacek is in the minority thinking Serbia’s membership is secondary to Kosovo’s recognition even if 5 present members do not recognize.
(Mike, 19 January 2011 18:33)

You are so naive. Serb politics are like an open book. Without formal recognition, there is no EU. Why? Because without formal recognition, the problem will escalate, ten times bigger, since the only pressure that EU can put on to Serbia, is its EU membership.
The moment, Serbia is accepted without formal recognition, the entire EU progress achieved so far in the K-matter, will unwind within a day. There will be nothing to stop Serbia from de-stabilizing its new neighbor.
So far, no such formal condition has been put forward, so not to disturb the ultra-nationalist feelings that are so much alive in Serbia. Instead, EU brags about Mladic. Every time Jeremic screams that we will not bow to "EU or Kosova" condition, we hear back, but you must catch Mladic then join EU.
The game is so simple. One day Serbia will say, we don’t want/cannot catch Mladic but we will give you Koosva (formally) for an EU ticket and that will be the end of the story. The game is being played so Serbia will progress as close as possible, but it will be stopped right at the gates. Right there it will be told, that it has only one step to make, and that we don’t care about Mladic anymore, it was K-recognition all along. And what is Serbia going to do at that point? Will it undo all the previous steps and the pain that brought it so close to its strategic goal, or will just say “forget about’it”,(i.e Kosova).
Sorry to say, but there are no more heroes in Belgrade. Times of Obilic are long gone. As Mrs. Lunacek says, the question is whether this will happened now, so everyone can benefit now, or later so everyone will benefit later.

What a load of bs.
First it was no trade restrictions lifted between EU and Serbia until Serbia recognizes an independent Kosovo. Then no SAA ratification until Kosovo is recognized.
As the old Serbian saying goes: first they spit now they are licking it all up.

Serbia should give up on the EU which would treat it unfairly anyways IF it ever allowed them in. You can see that Bulgaria and Romania are treated second class.
It will not cure all the problems and will create more and destroy more independence and culture.

Whoa miri, slow down there. You’re stepping all over yourself. According to your post,

1. Serbia cannot be accepted into the EU without recognizing Kosovo because if it is it’s going to completely destroy something that is supported by some of the most powerful states in Europe. By doing what? Blocking Kosovo’s future EU membership? Kosovo’s got enough problems already from 5 countries that don’t recognize it, not to mention the contributions to its destabilization by its own political elites who are doing far more damage to Kosovo’s stability and credibility than anything Belgrade can do. The upcoming talks that Pristina keeps stalling on is meant to put all major issues at rest whereby Belgrade is compensated with retention of some authority in the Serb parts of Kosovo in exchange for lifting all barriers to its integration in IGOs.

2. You somehow think capturing Mladic is a ruse by both Brussels and Belgrade, where Brussels, which has been as vocal as possible stating what Belgrade needs to achieve in order to get full EU support will suddenly switch gears at the 11th hour and say “oops, we really meant recognize Kosovo”. And Belgrade, which has been stating it aims to fulfill all outstanding obligations to the ICTY in order to meet EU requirements is suddenly going to say “oops, we really like Mladic so we’ll swap him for Kosovo”. If you really believe that, you need to rethink who’s the naïve one in this discussion. Belgrade was offered an EU meal ticket in 2008 and they turned it down. You also do know that at some point the Mladic issue will be resolved because he’s either going to be captured or found dead, making that obstacle null and void? What’s the point of swapping Kosovo for Mladic? What would even make you think that’s what’s going to happen? If tomorrow Mladic is captured or found dead, what then?

3. You somehow think, or want to believe, that the Kosovo card is being hidden for as long as possible so as to hoodwink Belgrade. This is a statement coming from Lunacek, an individual MEP with strong views. Trust me, even if this is formally thrown on the table at the last minute, no one is Belgrade is going to accept it. And what’s the worst-case consequence? No EU? Ok fine. That still doesn’t resolve any obstacles Kosovo has in terms of membership. And what do you care if Serbia recognizes or not? Kosovo already has enough international support to guarantee it’s never going to go back to Serbia again regardless of whatever status it finds itself in.

According to your own words, “without formal recognition, the problem will escalate, ten times bigger”, but the problems, again according to your comment, seem to land in Kosovo’s corner, not Belgrade’s. If the only thing that can be given as a consequence is no EU membership, Belgrade has already given its answer. Will Brussels close the book if that happens? Probably not. Membership is contingent on fulfilling ICTY obligations and reaching some agreement over Kosovo. No one disputes this. Recognition however, is not expected to be a realistic outcome from that agreement.

Lunacek went on to warn that "no country that does not recognize another country" will in the future be allowed to join the EU, because this organization "learned its lesson after Cyprus"
So to join the EU you need to recognize every country in the world?
well S.osethia and abhkazia became countries and northern cyprus is a country. and south sudan will be a new country and many more. will the remaining EU members and future members recognize those country's? I doubt IT.
I say this again Serbia should turn her back to these EU hypocrites.
What's the need as if Serbia will become richer and beter the day Serbia joins EU.
look at Romania and Bulgaria are they Equal to Germany/Luxembourg/Netherlands/UK?
No it takes years to develop to be like those western EU country's and Serbia can Achieve It without being a EU member.

This obviously Serbia hating politician should perhaps explain this to Turkey as well regarding Cyprus. Oh no wait, the EU has double and even triple standards.

it's always funny how it is that serbs moved into balkans, and took over illyria according to some. when illyria was just the remains of intermarriage between what ended up being north american indians, and the barbarian hordes of antiquity.
yet, after the illustrious illyrian empire vanished and serbs came into the region, they found little evidence of these former masters of the balkanverse. the landscape was not too long ago speckled with serbian heritage sites, while illyrian sites and written words are simply left to the memory of some of our super historians.
remember, illyrians left to go to the new world, and were then over run by the white man.

Let's see! Serbia is suppose to recognize the theft of it's own territory in order to join an organization on the verge of bankruptcy? Hmmmm!
(MikeC, 19 January 2011)

Or Serbia has to respect the will of the people of Kosova and join the club of civilized nations.

Well said. Please do us EU citizens a favour and stay out of EU with all fellow Serbs.

Maybe, if you ask pretty-pretty please in say 15 years, we will see. No way until then, hopefully that EU let you in.
(Hruz, 19 January 2011 20:13) you albanians will never join the euro and Croatia doesn't want the euro they are praying and begging not to join so you keep dreaming. and why do you albanians want to leave kosovo and Albania and come to Croatia? explain that. i am with the serbs on this. about you people you are nothing more than land grabbers and your not illirian like you claim either. i did research and your NOT.

Now there is no chance for misinterpretation. That is an ultimate statement. Serbia can now choose only between EU and no Kosovo or no EU and no Kosovo.

Also, Turkey has also no chance to join when not recognizing Cyprus.

Those clear statements are rare nowadays. It is good to see that once somebody has the stomach to do so.

Ok. Heres your answer.
No.
Theres no way we're trading in our cultural homeland, especially when Kosovo is on the brink of Genocide (THe Serbs and Roma of Kosmet are on the 5th Stage, with the 7th being Extermination, and the 8th (final) one being denial according to Genocide watch)

So to join the EU you need to recognize every country in the world?

(Stevie, 19 January 2011 21:56)

Hey Steve I see you do not understand.
The country that has territorial problems like Serbia and Kosova can not join EU unless they solve this problem.
This doesn't mean Serbia should solve problem of south ossetia because this part of world will not join EU.

tom,

Well said. Please do us EU citizens a favour and stay out of EU with all fellow Serbs.

Maybe, if you ask pretty-pretty please in say 15 years, we will see. No way until then, hopefully that EU let you in.

EU is about to collapse....

why would I want my country to jump on a sinking ship but before we jump... we have to cut a limb off...

this is insanity...have anyone been reading the news... just youtube "Nigel Farage"... genius

ida

Bulgaria and Romania are still not fit for EU membership everyone knows that. The fact they begged themselves in and the favourable circumstances back then allowed these countries to join. Now they reap what they sowed.

well there you have it. And no surpise.

Serb leadership has known this all along.
Ordinary serbs have known it all along.
Serb Armchair extremists have known it all along.

they have just been desperate to have tried to string along the violent bunch amongst them and keep them quiet and out of site with the propagandist swill they so easily swallow.

You're the one that's misinformed, my friend. The ICJ's decision was whether the proclamation itself was legitimate, NOT whether Kosovo had the right to actually secede.

Like with everything else in life, you have to read the small print. :-)
(Ari Gold, 20 January 2011 09:25)

So golden boy, what makes the actual secession illegal then? We say is legal, you say is illegal. Why don't you ask ICJ again the right question and see what it says. Until then, you have no better right to call it illegal, than us to call it legal.

You're the one that's misinformed, my friend. The ICJ's decision was whether the proclamation itself was legitimate, NOT whether Kosovo had the right to actually secede.

Like with everything else in life, you have to read the small print. :-)
(Ari Gold, 20 January 2011 09:25)
Isn't that kind of like a man asking a father for permission to propose to his daughter and in turn receiving his blessing. Then the father saying I meant it was ok for you to propose but I did not mean it was ok for you to marry her.
Separation of the two issues make no sense. It is legal to declare you are secedeing but not legal to actually secede??

"Lunacek is in the minority thinking Serbia’s membership is secondary to Kosovo’s recognition even if 5 present members do not recognize.
(Mike, 19 January 2011 18:33) "

You've got it backwards - 5 are enough to prevent Serbia from joining, they're far from being enough to ensure it will join over the opposition of the 22 (23 after Croatia joins). Every time Serbia backs down it reduces the value of their support.

So far none of the big guns - Britain, France, Germany - have signed the SAA: there's lot more opportunities for pressure-application, even before Serbia is a candidate state.

As for Cyprus, no, the EU can't solve the problem, now that part of it is in. This is exactly why they're not going to take any chances with Serbia and Kosovo.

Albanians in the region have a history of siding with the wrong side. First it was the Ottoman Empire, then Austria-Hungary, then Mussolini’s Italy and the Third Reich. They even sided with the communists that was trying to keep the Serbs down. And now they try to side with the EU club of bankrupt nations and NATO. No surprise here. Well Serbia usually doesn't side with the wrong side, and should not do so this time either. Kick the EU out of Serbia and kick the fifth column of the EU out of parliament.
(kufr, 20 January 2011 08:22)

Actually, its not about choosing sides, you can add Serbs to your list...

because your list is one of visitors and squatters that albanians have had to deal with over the centuries.

funny how albanians never came to you, That you guys, without exception. Had to come to albanians.

---------------------

now putting aside kufr's feeble jab because hes upset at the situation.

weird that he is willing to describe the EU as the "wrong side"...considering it consists of ALL OF SERBIAS NEIGHBORS.

guess serbs dont belong in europe after all?

You may interpret it differently, but I interpret that as saying that there's nothing which could've stopped Kosovo from declaring independence, but doesn't really justify whether they should be independent or not.
(Ari Gold, 20 January 2011 13:42)

because international law contains no criteria for to 'justify whether one should be independent or not'.

But hey if you think we are wrong go ahead and bring your new case to the ICJ.

You are very welcome to do that :)

Sorry to say, but there are no more heroes in Belgrade. Times of Obilic are long gone. As Mrs. Lunacek says, the question is whether this will happened now, so everyone can benefit now, or later so everyone will benefit later.
(miri, 19 January 2011 19:36)
=========================

You wish.

"Kosovo's ethnic Albanians unilaterally declared independence three years ago. Belgrade rejected the proclamation as illegal"

Wait a minute, wasent Serbia that took Kosovo independence to ICJ? dident it turn out as loss for Serbia? ICJ gave its opinion because Serbia asked for it and it turned out that Proclamation was not illegal.
B92 writters can you please write correctly because this type of missinformed writtings confuse readers.
(Odin, 19 January 2011 18:34)

You're the one that's misinformed, my friend. The ICJ's decision was whether the proclamation itself was legitimate, NOT whether Kosovo had the right to actually secede.

Like with everything else in life, you have to read the small print. :-)

there is no small print. Your words have no shred of truth, and serbia itself confirms it... Serbia has given up any further legal challenge... if there was on iota of truth to the lie you are telling yourself, serbia would have acted.

You dont have to amuse us with the fancifull imaginings of what the icj "really meant"... that bit of fiction by serb leadership was meant for its populations ears... to soothe its feelings.

serbias official response to the icj verdict was to challenge nothing, and
to sit down and talk to the people it has spent a decade pretending didnt exist.
(AdamNYC, 20 January 2011 13:09)

"the declaration of independence of the 17th of February 2008 did not violate general international law because international law contains no 'prohibition on declarations of independence'."

You may interpret it differently, but I interpret that as saying that there's nothing which could've stopped Kosovo from declaring independence, but doesn't really justify whether they should be independent or not.

My two cents.

If Serbia does not follow suit with recognition they wont get in EU. If Serbia starts acting like they don't want in reintroduction of Visas is to soon follow in a year or so. The carrot and the stick. But we are from the Balkans we love the stick more than the carrot.

(harold, 20 January 2011 16:13)

thats right harold, isnt it just fantastic! serbs had the incomprehensible good fortune to have accidentally immigrated into what was the the ONLY uninhabited place on the face of the earth.

Isnt that just spectacular!?

thats right harold, no one was there,if you wish really hard it might even be true!

click your heels together and keep saying it, serbs were first,no one was there... serbs were first, no one was there...

You're the one that's misinformed, my friend. The ICJ's decision was whether the proclamation itself was legitimate, NOT whether Kosovo had the right to actually secede.

Like with everything else in life, you have to read the small print. :-)
(Ari Gold, 20 January 2011 09:25)



there is no small print. Your words have no shred of truth, and serbia itself confirms it... Serbia has given up any further legal challenge... if there was on iota of truth to the lie you are telling yourself, serbia would have acted.

You dont have to amuse us with the fancifull imaginings of what the icj "really meant"... that bit of fiction by serb leadership was meant for its populations ears... to soothe its feelings.

serbias official response to the icj verdict was to challenge nothing, and
to sit down and talk to the people it has spent a decade pretending didnt exist.

Sorry to say, but there are no more heroes in Belgrade. Times of Obilic are long gone. As Mrs. Lunacek says, the question is whether this will happened now, so everyone can benefit now, or later so everyone will benefit later.
(miri, 19 January 2011 19:36)
===…==

You wish.
(Peggy, 19 January 2011 21:00)

RE; Milos Obelic

Obelic didnt' hide under Sultan Murad I apron, he ripped it open.

Sultan Murad tomb remains in the battlefield in Kosovo left untouched unless the Albanians have desecrated that grave as well.

to all of the Albanians mentioning illyria again; show me just one albanian source from prior to the 19th cen. that claimed you were illyrian? the serbs have dealt with the albanian invaders from Azerbaijan for hundreds of years. Just google; Caucasian Albania to see where you are from.

You may interpret it differently, but I interpret that as saying that there's nothing which could've stopped Kosovo from declaring independence, but doesn't really justify whether they should be independent or not.
(Ari Gold, 20 January 2011 13:42)

Hi Ari,

you can interpret it a hundred different ways if you wish. if there was the slightest bit of truth to what you are desperately hoping. Serbia would have went for it.

thats the little tidbit you have a tough time accepting. sorry, but thats on you. its not a discussion, and we cant agree to disagree.

you are holding on to a fallacy.

Nothing in the world could have stopped serbia from legally challenging it further. Serbia Doesnt do it. Because it has nothing with wich to argue.

you really need to accept the reality, that serbia, having entered the un AFTER it already lost kosovo. having had no legal authority whatsover of any kind during kosovo's time as a un protectorate. in so far as the UN and international law is concerned. Has Never held kosovo in existence.

the several constitutions Serbia authored after fact are worth less than toilet paper created without the input permission or participation of anyone but themsleves.

Kosovo has next to nothing to justify.
The country in wich it existed prior to becoming a UN protectorate, no longer exists.

Serbia on the other hand, would have to attempt to explain in a court it doesnt control the authority it magically thinks it possesses. A court where Nationalist Mythology and motivation hold no weight. Where the idea that Serbia somehow inherited anything from milosovic would get them laughed out of the room.

Serbia will do all it can to avoid ever finding itself in position to ask precisely the question your 'interpretation' fakes a complaint about being unanswered.

Serbia Will NEVER in a million years do it.

Milsovic was able to hide behind the "its an internal matter" routine to avoid explaining his actions and dictatorship. todays 'democratic' serbia has no such hidey hole.

The ONLY hope serbia had, was to avoid the tough questions IT would have had to answer, and gotten the international community into telling kosovo what it could or could not do in serbias stead.

Serbia took the best scheme it could... and failed hard.

"the serbs have dealt with the albanian invaders from Azerbaijan for hundreds of years. Just google; Caucasian Albania to see where you are from.
(bishop, 21 January 2011 15:55) "

Good grief.

The spirit of Rambouillet continues: Issue demands that Serbia will never be able to fullfill: ie arrest so and so, even though he may be dead or abroad, recognize such and such and dismember your country, do this and this, jump through this etc. One thing is clear Serbia and its Serbian province of Kosovo are both being stalled for whatever reasons. Is kosovo too big of a problem to deal with for the EU?

Hruz I am sorry to tell you this but your task within the EU is to obey your masters from Berlin, to do as they wish, as you did in the past with your previous masters from Wien.

Go to some REAL EU country and see with your own eyes how important and respected you are.

Spare us this rubbish "We the EU citizens" please, and celebrate 20th anniversary of tasting bannana and Coca-Cola, and your first Levi´s
jeans.
Or did you get your first Levi´s jeans from Yugoslavia before that?

don´t worry, EU-folks, you need Serbia more than Serbia needs the EU.

that´s something, these Eurocrats know very well.

only some of our dear k-albanian friends still think the EU is some kind of paradise... that has to be "earned"...

=)
(Jovan, 21 January 2011 20:52)

100% on point since EU is getting all the loans from Serbia dont make big powerful Economy powerhouse Serbia. Who is begging for EU investment.

(bishop, 21 January 2011 15:55)

bishop for your education:

Illyr in Albanian means "i lire" = free man.

The traditional Albanian hat "plis" known in ancient times as “pileus” was also known as "liberty hat" that was wear by the "free-man's = Illyrians".

As for a bishop last tip:

"From Jerusalem, and round about even unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ" (Romans 15:19). Hardly doupt you will find Serbia mentioned by St. Paul.

http://www.reformation.edu/albania/pages/early-christianity-albania.htm

The second greatest baptistery in the Roman Empire after the Constantinople was in Butrint in Illyria today some 15km south from Saranda.

Don't miss the chance to visit it - Albania is magnificent country and you will find a lot to learn.

RE; Speak for your own country

You really think Hungary is much better than Bulgaria or Romania; far from it.

At least Romania and Bulgaria have low debt levels, the same cannot be said for Hungary.

Kosovo has no place in EU just as well, but for different reasons. Maybe after 30 years of continuous development in economy,and a change in attitude. After that, maybe but not surely.

EU is just trying to control this little bee hive with vague promises and throw back criminals from the West to let Kosovo authorities tackle them. When the export of criminality subsides, EU will start negotiating with Kosovo.
(Hruz, 20 January 2011 10:31)

Aha, OK - so you are not "pro-Kosovo", you are just "anti-Serb". That clarifies a lot and from your point of view makes sense. That does not make me like your point of view but at least you have some consistency of your own.

To bad, the entire starting point was wrong.

But we are from the Balkans we love the stick more than the carrot.
(UNE, 20 January 2011 17:16)
=======================

No it's just that the carrots are not organic, are too costly and far too dangerous.

Ulrike, ...since KiM is not a country, there shouldn´t be any problems with Serbia joining... =)

seems like they´re losing nerves...

or why are they getting louder and louder... =)

don´t worry, EU-folks, you need Serbia more than Serbia needs the EU.

that´s something, these Eurocrats know very well.

only some of our dear k-albanian friends still think the EU is some kind of paradise... that has to be "earned"...

=)

Well EU, heres your answer

No.

We're not being blackmailed into giving away our cultural heartland in return for membership to a bankrupt organisation that will just lead us the same way as greece and ireland

TOMMY

Boy, I am no Albanian, first of all. Kosovo has no place in EU just as well, but for different reasons. Maybe after 30 years of continuous development in economy,and a change in attitude. After that, maybe but not surely.

EU is just trying to control this little bee hive with vague promises and throw back criminals from the West to let Kosovo authorities tackle them. When the export of criminality subsides, EU will start negotiating with Kosovo.

duh wrote:

"Isn't that kind of like a man asking a father for permission to propose to his daughter and in turn receiving his blessing. Then the father saying I meant it was ok for you to propose but I did not mean it was ok for you to marry her.
Separation of the two issues make no sense. It is legal to declare you are seceding but not legal to actually secede??"

duh, you fail to follow your own logic. Your case should go like this:

You have right to propose but it doesn't mean that you marry my daughter.

The spirit of Rambouillet continues: Issue demands that Serbia will never be able to fullfill: ie arrest so and so, even though he may be dead or abroad, recognize such and such and dismember your country, do this and this, jump through this etc. One thing is clear Serbia and its Serbian province of Kosovo are both being stalled for whatever reasons. Is kosovo too big of a problem to deal with for the EU?
(nick, 20 January 2011 22:13)


If we look further, the bombing of Serbia by the EU/Nato still needs to be resolved by these nations as their actions need to be justified. By recognising Kosovo, the western governments/Nato can close the book and have their justification of bombing Serbia satisfied and legitimised, and high fives all round.

Looking at the bigger picture, recognise Kosovo, what does that mean? I'll tell you what it means. It means the independence of Krajina won't be tolerated, the independence of RS won't be tolerated etc. This follows one path, and it is the Serbian people. Why ? The same story repeats itself. Is there something that I am not understanding here, and can someone enlighten me of the real issue.

Maybe the real issue will be as I have read previously, the 4 million Turks in Germany, the other millions in other parts of Europe/Britain, and the New World Order that is being talked about. Let's see, divide and conquer, put up all the Serbs in serbian proper, and with the remaining land that we have, we can put all the muslims there. Problem solved.

No it's just that the carrots are not organic, are too costly and far too dangerous.
(peggy, 20 January 2011 21:39)

Correction: Mr. "Hashish" most likely IS "organic".

Lunacek = Lunatic
(Obilic, 19 January 2011 17:34)

She is pretty much consistent - and pretty much insignificant.
The entire "green" movement lost it's appeal. As we did see in Germany: the closer they get to the top, the more their green color will fade.

D. Popovic

A little homework in history class. Try to google an EU map and write a short list which countries you see under its original place and name in (let's say) XIth century and now.

And now come back an tell me which countries are "real" European countries.

well, bilabo, your comment shows you don´t realize the most obvious things.

I´ll give you a hint: take a look at a map, and think it over dude.

@ben
absolute total 100% nonsense you are saying. there is not 1 albanian source from prior to the 19th century that claimed "albanians were illyrian" because it does not exist. the albanians only started to make this claim after they saw the croats and serbs do so with the "illyrian movement". some more interesting facts;
1) illyrian toponyms do not follow albanian phonetic law
2) most ancient latin loanwords in albanian have the phonetic form of the east balkan latin (romania) and not west balkan (dalmatia)
3) albanian marine terminology is borrowed from different languages which means they were not a costal people
4) hardly and ancient greek loan words exist in albanian, if they were next to each other as albanians often claim there would have been more
5) THERE IS NO, ABSOLUTELY NO REFERENCE TO THE WORD "ALBANIAN" IN THE BALKANS UNTIL THE 10th CENTURY. A country called "Albania" did exist before that in what is todays Azerbaijan.
6) the Byzantine empire had a policy of resettling entire populations prior to that to protect its outposts, both "Albanias" were on the edges of its empire.

"Kosovo's ethnic Albanians unilaterally declared independence three years ago. Belgrade rejected the proclamation as illegal"

Wait a minute, wasent Serbia that took Kosovo independence to ICJ? dident it turn out as loss for Serbia? ICJ gave its opinion because Serbia asked for it and it turned out that Proclamation was not illegal.
B92 writters can you please write correctly because this type of missinformed writtings confuse readers.

tom,

Well said. Please do us EU citizens a favour and stay out of EU with all fellow Serbs.

Maybe, if you ask pretty-pretty please in say 15 years, we will see. No way until then, hopefully that EU let you in.

Lunacek is in the minority thinking Serbia’s membership is secondary to Kosovo’s recognition even if 5 present members do not recognize.
(Mike, 19 January 2011 18:33)

You are so naive. Serb politics are like an open book. Without formal recognition, there is no EU. Why? Because without formal recognition, the problem will escalate, ten times bigger, since the only pressure that EU can put on to Serbia, is its EU membership.
The moment, Serbia is accepted without formal recognition, the entire EU progress achieved so far in the K-matter, will unwind within a day. There will be nothing to stop Serbia from de-stabilizing its new neighbor.
So far, no such formal condition has been put forward, so not to disturb the ultra-nationalist feelings that are so much alive in Serbia. Instead, EU brags about Mladic. Every time Jeremic screams that we will not bow to "EU or Kosova" condition, we hear back, but you must catch Mladic then join EU.
The game is so simple. One day Serbia will say, we don’t want/cannot catch Mladic but we will give you Koosva (formally) for an EU ticket and that will be the end of the story. The game is being played so Serbia will progress as close as possible, but it will be stopped right at the gates. Right there it will be told, that it has only one step to make, and that we don’t care about Mladic anymore, it was K-recognition all along. And what is Serbia going to do at that point? Will it undo all the previous steps and the pain that brought it so close to its strategic goal, or will just say “forget about’it”,(i.e Kosova).
Sorry to say, but there are no more heroes in Belgrade. Times of Obilic are long gone. As Mrs. Lunacek says, the question is whether this will happened now, so everyone can benefit now, or later so everyone will benefit later.

You're the one that's misinformed, my friend. The ICJ's decision was whether the proclamation itself was legitimate, NOT whether Kosovo had the right to actually secede.

Like with everything else in life, you have to read the small print. :-)
(Ari Gold, 20 January 2011 09:25)

So golden boy, what makes the actual secession illegal then? We say is legal, you say is illegal. Why don't you ask ICJ again the right question and see what it says. Until then, you have no better right to call it illegal, than us to call it legal.

There is no chance of Serbia joining the EU without recognising Kosovo first. I think it is funny that some people on here think that Serbia will get into the EU without recognising Kosovo then block Kosovo's application. Kosovo and Serbia will join the EU at the same time.

Lunacek = Lunatic

who cares what germany says and why would serbia want to join a broke Euro lol what is this guy joking are what serbia wants to be closer to the bric the superpower of military and money. China's economy is growing so big and India and Brazil and Russia and the military is getting built by Russia who cares about the euro but germnay should worry about the 4 million turks in their country that will want to have their own government in their majority parts which is allot. so to the germans worry about your own and not someone else's because nobody cares.

"Kosovo's ethnic Albanians unilaterally declared independence three years ago. Belgrade rejected the proclamation as illegal"

Wait a minute, wasent Serbia that took Kosovo independence to ICJ? dident it turn out as loss for Serbia? ICJ gave its opinion because Serbia asked for it and it turned out that Proclamation was not illegal.
B92 writters can you please write correctly because this type of missinformed writtings confuse readers.
(Odin, 19 January 2011 18:34)

You're the one that's misinformed, my friend. The ICJ's decision was whether the proclamation itself was legitimate, NOT whether Kosovo had the right to actually secede.

Like with everything else in life, you have to read the small print. :-)

TOMMY

Boy, I am no Albanian, first of all. Kosovo has no place in EU just as well, but for different reasons. Maybe after 30 years of continuous development in economy,and a change in attitude. After that, maybe but not surely.

EU is just trying to control this little bee hive with vague promises and throw back criminals from the West to let Kosovo authorities tackle them. When the export of criminality subsides, EU will start negotiating with Kosovo.

You're the one that's misinformed, my friend. The ICJ's decision was whether the proclamation itself was legitimate, NOT whether Kosovo had the right to actually secede.

Like with everything else in life, you have to read the small print. :-)
(Ari Gold, 20 January 2011 09:25)



there is no small print. Your words have no shred of truth, and serbia itself confirms it... Serbia has given up any further legal challenge... if there was on iota of truth to the lie you are telling yourself, serbia would have acted.

You dont have to amuse us with the fancifull imaginings of what the icj "really meant"... that bit of fiction by serb leadership was meant for its populations ears... to soothe its feelings.

serbias official response to the icj verdict was to challenge nothing, and
to sit down and talk to the people it has spent a decade pretending didnt exist.

I'm not surprised Lunacek made this statement, as she's consistently been one of the most vocal supporters for Kosovo's statehood. What's actually surprising is her statement yesterday lambasting electoral fraud and voter intimidation in the statelet she supports so openly.

But while I'm not surprised at Lunacek's "recognize or else" statement, I'm really not worried by this. I'd take this as far more seriously if dozens of countries had recognized Kosovo in the 6-month period since ICJ as opposed to the 4 or 5 micro-countries that have been bought by Pacolli. Moreover, with clear support from the EP supporting Serbia's SAA ratification, the last thing Eurocrats want to do is throw a wrench in the cogs by making Kosovo's recognition an ultimatum. Serbia's membership to them is far more important. Not for economic reasons (no country in SE Europe, Croatia included, is worth it) but for the symbolic practice of unifying Europe. I have every reason to believe that Belgrade will have to come to some sort of terms with Kosovo, largely via EULEX and the UN, before the end, but no one expects recognition. Lunacek is in the minority thinking Serbia’s membership is secondary to Kosovo’s recognition even if 5 present members do not recognize.

Now there is no chance for misinterpretation. That is an ultimate statement. Serbia can now choose only between EU and no Kosovo or no EU and no Kosovo.

Also, Turkey has also no chance to join when not recognizing Cyprus.

Those clear statements are rare nowadays. It is good to see that once somebody has the stomach to do so.

Let's see! Serbia is suppose to recognize the theft of it's own territory in order to join an organization on the verge of bankruptcy? Hmmmm!

Yawn, she sounds a little desperate. Serbia will not recognise "Kosova" under any circumstances. Thank God EU membership is becoming more and more unpopular in Serbia.

Lets look at Cyprus. There is only one country - Turkey, a country that wants to join the EU and only it recognises Northern Cyprus. Why can't the EU solve that issue? What hope does it have with regard to "Kosova" when the overwhelming majority of the world and 5 of its own members don't recognise it?

If the EU can't solve the Cyprus problem then what hope does it have of solving KiM?

"Serbia must recognize Kosovo. I hope this will happen soon, which would make the situation easier both for Kosovo and the EU," the Austrian politician told Radio Deutsche Welle.


I beleive serb polticinas are well aware of this as well as ordinary serbs. Time will tell.

"Lunacek went on to warn that "no country that does not recognize another country" will in the future be allowed to join the EU, because this organization "learned its lesson after Cyprus"."


What does she mean? Comparing Serbia with Cyprus, and Kosovo with Northern Cyprus? Or?

Albanians in the region have a history of siding with the wrong side. First it was the Ottoman Empire, then Austria-Hungary, then Mussolini’s Italy and the Third Reich. They even sided with the communists that was trying to keep the Serbs down. And now they try to side with the EU club of bankrupt nations and NATO. No surprise here. Well Serbia usually doesn't side with the wrong side, and should not do so this time either. Kick the EU out of Serbia and kick the fifth column of the EU out of parliament.
(kufr, 20 January 2011 08:22)

Actually, its not about choosing sides, you can add Serbs to your list...

because your list is one of visitors and squatters that albanians have had to deal with over the centuries.

funny how albanians never came to you, That you guys, without exception. Had to come to albanians.

---------------------

now putting aside kufr's feeble jab because hes upset at the situation.

weird that he is willing to describe the EU as the "wrong side"...considering it consists of ALL OF SERBIAS NEIGHBORS.

guess serbs dont belong in europe after all?

Sorry to say, but there are no more heroes in Belgrade. Times of Obilic are long gone. As Mrs. Lunacek says, the question is whether this will happened now, so everyone can benefit now, or later so everyone will benefit later.
(miri, 19 January 2011 19:36)
=========================

You wish.

Let's see! Serbia is suppose to recognize the theft of it's own territory in order to join an organization on the verge of bankruptcy? Hmmmm!
(MikeC, 19 January 2011)

Or Serbia has to respect the will of the people of Kosova and join the club of civilized nations.

I love the title of this article.

My two cents.

If Serbia does not follow suit with recognition they wont get in EU. If Serbia starts acting like they don't want in reintroduction of Visas is to soon follow in a year or so. The carrot and the stick. But we are from the Balkans we love the stick more than the carrot.

Limaj's and Thaci's ties and interests are stronger then Kosova's national interests???

It is obvious that no Gov.t with Limaj in would not have the international legitimacy.

Kosova doesn't need this.

Limaj can wait for couple of years untill his case is solved in tribunal and if found not guilty he can then join the Gov.t.

Kosovo then block Kosovo's application. Kosovo and Serbia will join the EU at the same time.
(Ian, UK, 19 January 2011 19:40)
===========================

Politicians come and politicians go and the mood changes. We don't know what the future brings and this condition has never been formally given to Serbia so what one politician says is not important when they are not backed by official channels.

Now Serbia does not have to join EU to survive but "Kosova" has to join as many organisations as possible to survive as eventually donations will stop. Serbs have already said that they can shove their EU membership if it costs them Kosovo so really who cares?

ida

Bulgaria and Romania are still not fit for EU membership everyone knows that. The fact they begged themselves in and the favourable circumstances back then allowed these countries to join. Now they reap what they sowed.

Albanians in the region have a history of siding with the wrong side. First it was the Ottoman Empire, then Austria-Hungary, then Mussolini’s Italy and the Third Reich. They even sided with the communists that was trying to keep the Serbs down. And now they try to side with the EU club of bankrupt nations and NATO. No surprise here. Well Serbia usually doesn't side with the wrong side, and should not do so this time either. Kick the EU out of Serbia and kick the fifth column of the EU out of parliament.

Well said. Please do us EU citizens a favour and stay out of EU with all fellow Serbs.

Maybe, if you ask pretty-pretty please in say 15 years, we will see. No way until then, hopefully that EU let you in.
(Hruz, 19 January 2011 20:13) you albanians will never join the euro and Croatia doesn't want the euro they are praying and begging not to join so you keep dreaming. and why do you albanians want to leave kosovo and Albania and come to Croatia? explain that. i am with the serbs on this. about you people you are nothing more than land grabbers and your not illirian like you claim either. i did research and your NOT.

EU is about to collapse....

why would I want my country to jump on a sinking ship but before we jump... we have to cut a limb off...

this is insanity...have anyone been reading the news... just youtube "Nigel Farage"... genius

Lunacek went on to warn that "no country that does not recognize another country" will in the future be allowed to join the EU, because this organization "learned its lesson after Cyprus"
So to join the EU you need to recognize every country in the world?
well S.osethia and abhkazia became countries and northern cyprus is a country. and south sudan will be a new country and many more. will the remaining EU members and future members recognize those country's? I doubt IT.
I say this again Serbia should turn her back to these EU hypocrites.
What's the need as if Serbia will become richer and beter the day Serbia joins EU.
look at Romania and Bulgaria are they Equal to Germany/Luxembourg/Netherlands/UK?
No it takes years to develop to be like those western EU country's and Serbia can Achieve It without being a EU member.

Serbia should give up on the EU which would treat it unfairly anyways IF it ever allowed them in. You can see that Bulgaria and Romania are treated second class.
It will not cure all the problems and will create more and destroy more independence and culture.

What a load of bs.
First it was no trade restrictions lifted between EU and Serbia until Serbia recognizes an independent Kosovo. Then no SAA ratification until Kosovo is recognized.
As the old Serbian saying goes: first they spit now they are licking it all up.

Whoa miri, slow down there. You’re stepping all over yourself. According to your post,

1. Serbia cannot be accepted into the EU without recognizing Kosovo because if it is it’s going to completely destroy something that is supported by some of the most powerful states in Europe. By doing what? Blocking Kosovo’s future EU membership? Kosovo’s got enough problems already from 5 countries that don’t recognize it, not to mention the contributions to its destabilization by its own political elites who are doing far more damage to Kosovo’s stability and credibility than anything Belgrade can do. The upcoming talks that Pristina keeps stalling on is meant to put all major issues at rest whereby Belgrade is compensated with retention of some authority in the Serb parts of Kosovo in exchange for lifting all barriers to its integration in IGOs.

2. You somehow think capturing Mladic is a ruse by both Brussels and Belgrade, where Brussels, which has been as vocal as possible stating what Belgrade needs to achieve in order to get full EU support will suddenly switch gears at the 11th hour and say “oops, we really meant recognize Kosovo”. And Belgrade, which has been stating it aims to fulfill all outstanding obligations to the ICTY in order to meet EU requirements is suddenly going to say “oops, we really like Mladic so we’ll swap him for Kosovo”. If you really believe that, you need to rethink who’s the naïve one in this discussion. Belgrade was offered an EU meal ticket in 2008 and they turned it down. You also do know that at some point the Mladic issue will be resolved because he’s either going to be captured or found dead, making that obstacle null and void? What’s the point of swapping Kosovo for Mladic? What would even make you think that’s what’s going to happen? If tomorrow Mladic is captured or found dead, what then?

3. You somehow think, or want to believe, that the Kosovo card is being hidden for as long as possible so as to hoodwink Belgrade. This is a statement coming from Lunacek, an individual MEP with strong views. Trust me, even if this is formally thrown on the table at the last minute, no one is Belgrade is going to accept it. And what’s the worst-case consequence? No EU? Ok fine. That still doesn’t resolve any obstacles Kosovo has in terms of membership. And what do you care if Serbia recognizes or not? Kosovo already has enough international support to guarantee it’s never going to go back to Serbia again regardless of whatever status it finds itself in.

According to your own words, “without formal recognition, the problem will escalate, ten times bigger”, but the problems, again according to your comment, seem to land in Kosovo’s corner, not Belgrade’s. If the only thing that can be given as a consequence is no EU membership, Belgrade has already given its answer. Will Brussels close the book if that happens? Probably not. Membership is contingent on fulfilling ICTY obligations and reaching some agreement over Kosovo. No one disputes this. Recognition however, is not expected to be a realistic outcome from that agreement.

Ok. Heres your answer.
No.
Theres no way we're trading in our cultural homeland, especially when Kosovo is on the brink of Genocide (THe Serbs and Roma of Kosmet are on the 5th Stage, with the 7th being Extermination, and the 8th (final) one being denial according to Genocide watch)

Everyone at the European Parliament, she continued, criticized Serbia for the fact that Ratko Mladić and Goran Hadžić had not been arrested.

"It is not enough to simply say, 'we're working on it', they must be arrested"
B92

In the last report we got from mullah Omar and the Egyptian doctor is that Ratko Mladic and Goran Hadcic were both hiding with Osama bin Laden and a whole lot of Croatian war criminals and Nazis.

well there you have it. And no surpise.

Serb leadership has known this all along.
Ordinary serbs have known it all along.
Serb Armchair extremists have known it all along.

they have just been desperate to have tried to string along the violent bunch amongst them and keep them quiet and out of site with the propagandist swill they so easily swallow.

You're the one that's misinformed, my friend. The ICJ's decision was whether the proclamation itself was legitimate, NOT whether Kosovo had the right to actually secede.

Like with everything else in life, you have to read the small print. :-)
(Ari Gold, 20 January 2011 09:25)
Isn't that kind of like a man asking a father for permission to propose to his daughter and in turn receiving his blessing. Then the father saying I meant it was ok for you to propose but I did not mean it was ok for you to marry her.
Separation of the two issues make no sense. It is legal to declare you are secedeing but not legal to actually secede??

This obviously Serbia hating politician should perhaps explain this to Turkey as well regarding Cyprus. Oh no wait, the EU has double and even triple standards.

there is no small print. Your words have no shred of truth, and serbia itself confirms it... Serbia has given up any further legal challenge... if there was on iota of truth to the lie you are telling yourself, serbia would have acted.

You dont have to amuse us with the fancifull imaginings of what the icj "really meant"... that bit of fiction by serb leadership was meant for its populations ears... to soothe its feelings.

serbias official response to the icj verdict was to challenge nothing, and
to sit down and talk to the people it has spent a decade pretending didnt exist.
(AdamNYC, 20 January 2011 13:09)

"the declaration of independence of the 17th of February 2008 did not violate general international law because international law contains no 'prohibition on declarations of independence'."

You may interpret it differently, but I interpret that as saying that there's nothing which could've stopped Kosovo from declaring independence, but doesn't really justify whether they should be independent or not.

If this is an indication of how Serbia will be treated in the EU, well they can go and shove it.

"Lunacek is in the minority thinking Serbia’s membership is secondary to Kosovo’s recognition even if 5 present members do not recognize.
(Mike, 19 January 2011 18:33) "

You've got it backwards - 5 are enough to prevent Serbia from joining, they're far from being enough to ensure it will join over the opposition of the 22 (23 after Croatia joins). Every time Serbia backs down it reduces the value of their support.

So far none of the big guns - Britain, France, Germany - have signed the SAA: there's lot more opportunities for pressure-application, even before Serbia is a candidate state.

As for Cyprus, no, the EU can't solve the problem, now that part of it is in. This is exactly why they're not going to take any chances with Serbia and Kosovo.

You may interpret it differently, but I interpret that as saying that there's nothing which could've stopped Kosovo from declaring independence, but doesn't really justify whether they should be independent or not.
(Ari Gold, 20 January 2011 13:42)

because international law contains no criteria for to 'justify whether one should be independent or not'.

But hey if you think we are wrong go ahead and bring your new case to the ICJ.

You are very welcome to do that :)

So to join the EU you need to recognize every country in the world?

(Stevie, 19 January 2011 21:56)

Hey Steve I see you do not understand.
The country that has territorial problems like Serbia and Kosova can not join EU unless they solve this problem.
This doesn't mean Serbia should solve problem of south ossetia because this part of world will not join EU.

it's always funny how it is that serbs moved into balkans, and took over illyria according to some. when illyria was just the remains of intermarriage between what ended up being north american indians, and the barbarian hordes of antiquity.
yet, after the illustrious illyrian empire vanished and serbs came into the region, they found little evidence of these former masters of the balkanverse. the landscape was not too long ago speckled with serbian heritage sites, while illyrian sites and written words are simply left to the memory of some of our super historians.
remember, illyrians left to go to the new world, and were then over run by the white man.

Kosovo has no place in EU just as well, but for different reasons. Maybe after 30 years of continuous development in economy,and a change in attitude. After that, maybe but not surely.

EU is just trying to control this little bee hive with vague promises and throw back criminals from the West to let Kosovo authorities tackle them. When the export of criminality subsides, EU will start negotiating with Kosovo.
(Hruz, 20 January 2011 10:31)

Aha, OK - so you are not "pro-Kosovo", you are just "anti-Serb". That clarifies a lot and from your point of view makes sense. That does not make me like your point of view but at least you have some consistency of your own.

To bad, the entire starting point was wrong.

But we are from the Balkans we love the stick more than the carrot.
(UNE, 20 January 2011 17:16)
=======================

No it's just that the carrots are not organic, are too costly and far too dangerous.

RE; Speak for your own country

You really think Hungary is much better than Bulgaria or Romania; far from it.

At least Romania and Bulgaria have low debt levels, the same cannot be said for Hungary.

Sorry to say, but there are no more heroes in Belgrade. Times of Obilic are long gone. As Mrs. Lunacek says, the question is whether this will happened now, so everyone can benefit now, or later so everyone will benefit later.
(miri, 19 January 2011 19:36)
===…==

You wish.
(Peggy, 19 January 2011 21:00)

RE; Milos Obelic

Obelic didnt' hide under Sultan Murad I apron, he ripped it open.

Sultan Murad tomb remains in the battlefield in Kosovo left untouched unless the Albanians have desecrated that grave as well.

Hruz I am sorry to tell you this but your task within the EU is to obey your masters from Berlin, to do as they wish, as you did in the past with your previous masters from Wien.

Go to some REAL EU country and see with your own eyes how important and respected you are.

Spare us this rubbish "We the EU citizens" please, and celebrate 20th anniversary of tasting bannana and Coca-Cola, and your first Levi´s
jeans.
Or did you get your first Levi´s jeans from Yugoslavia before that?

The spirit of Rambouillet continues: Issue demands that Serbia will never be able to fullfill: ie arrest so and so, even though he may be dead or abroad, recognize such and such and dismember your country, do this and this, jump through this etc. One thing is clear Serbia and its Serbian province of Kosovo are both being stalled for whatever reasons. Is kosovo too big of a problem to deal with for the EU?

to all of the Albanians mentioning illyria again; show me just one albanian source from prior to the 19th cen. that claimed you were illyrian? the serbs have dealt with the albanian invaders from Azerbaijan for hundreds of years. Just google; Caucasian Albania to see where you are from.

The spirit of Rambouillet continues: Issue demands that Serbia will never be able to fullfill: ie arrest so and so, even though he may be dead or abroad, recognize such and such and dismember your country, do this and this, jump through this etc. One thing is clear Serbia and its Serbian province of Kosovo are both being stalled for whatever reasons. Is kosovo too big of a problem to deal with for the EU?
(nick, 20 January 2011 22:13)


If we look further, the bombing of Serbia by the EU/Nato still needs to be resolved by these nations as their actions need to be justified. By recognising Kosovo, the western governments/Nato can close the book and have their justification of bombing Serbia satisfied and legitimised, and high fives all round.

Looking at the bigger picture, recognise Kosovo, what does that mean? I'll tell you what it means. It means the independence of Krajina won't be tolerated, the independence of RS won't be tolerated etc. This follows one path, and it is the Serbian people. Why ? The same story repeats itself. Is there something that I am not understanding here, and can someone enlighten me of the real issue.

Maybe the real issue will be as I have read previously, the 4 million Turks in Germany, the other millions in other parts of Europe/Britain, and the New World Order that is being talked about. Let's see, divide and conquer, put up all the Serbs in serbian proper, and with the remaining land that we have, we can put all the muslims there. Problem solved.

Lunacek = Lunatic
(Obilic, 19 January 2011 17:34)

She is pretty much consistent - and pretty much insignificant.
The entire "green" movement lost it's appeal. As we did see in Germany: the closer they get to the top, the more their green color will fade.

D. Popovic

A little homework in history class. Try to google an EU map and write a short list which countries you see under its original place and name in (let's say) XIth century and now.

And now come back an tell me which countries are "real" European countries.

duh wrote:

"Isn't that kind of like a man asking a father for permission to propose to his daughter and in turn receiving his blessing. Then the father saying I meant it was ok for you to propose but I did not mean it was ok for you to marry her.
Separation of the two issues make no sense. It is legal to declare you are seceding but not legal to actually secede??"

duh, you fail to follow your own logic. Your case should go like this:

You have right to propose but it doesn't mean that you marry my daughter.

No it's just that the carrots are not organic, are too costly and far too dangerous.
(peggy, 20 January 2011 21:39)

Correction: Mr. "Hashish" most likely IS "organic".

"the serbs have dealt with the albanian invaders from Azerbaijan for hundreds of years. Just google; Caucasian Albania to see where you are from.
(bishop, 21 January 2011 15:55) "

Good grief.

Ulrike, ...since KiM is not a country, there shouldn´t be any problems with Serbia joining... =)

seems like they´re losing nerves...

or why are they getting louder and louder... =)

don´t worry, EU-folks, you need Serbia more than Serbia needs the EU.

that´s something, these Eurocrats know very well.

only some of our dear k-albanian friends still think the EU is some kind of paradise... that has to be "earned"...

=)

don´t worry, EU-folks, you need Serbia more than Serbia needs the EU.

that´s something, these Eurocrats know very well.

only some of our dear k-albanian friends still think the EU is some kind of paradise... that has to be "earned"...

=)
(Jovan, 21 January 2011 20:52)

100% on point since EU is getting all the loans from Serbia dont make big powerful Economy powerhouse Serbia. Who is begging for EU investment.

(harold, 20 January 2011 16:13)

thats right harold, isnt it just fantastic! serbs had the incomprehensible good fortune to have accidentally immigrated into what was the the ONLY uninhabited place on the face of the earth.

Isnt that just spectacular!?

thats right harold, no one was there,if you wish really hard it might even be true!

click your heels together and keep saying it, serbs were first,no one was there... serbs were first, no one was there...

Well EU, heres your answer

No.

We're not being blackmailed into giving away our cultural heartland in return for membership to a bankrupt organisation that will just lead us the same way as greece and ireland

(bishop, 21 January 2011 15:55)

bishop for your education:

Illyr in Albanian means "i lire" = free man.

The traditional Albanian hat "plis" known in ancient times as “pileus” was also known as "liberty hat" that was wear by the "free-man's = Illyrians".

As for a bishop last tip:

"From Jerusalem, and round about even unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ" (Romans 15:19). Hardly doupt you will find Serbia mentioned by St. Paul.

http://www.reformation.edu/albania/pages/early-christianity-albania.htm

The second greatest baptistery in the Roman Empire after the Constantinople was in Butrint in Illyria today some 15km south from Saranda.

Don't miss the chance to visit it - Albania is magnificent country and you will find a lot to learn.

well, bilabo, your comment shows you don´t realize the most obvious things.

I´ll give you a hint: take a look at a map, and think it over dude.

You may interpret it differently, but I interpret that as saying that there's nothing which could've stopped Kosovo from declaring independence, but doesn't really justify whether they should be independent or not.
(Ari Gold, 20 January 2011 13:42)

Hi Ari,

you can interpret it a hundred different ways if you wish. if there was the slightest bit of truth to what you are desperately hoping. Serbia would have went for it.

thats the little tidbit you have a tough time accepting. sorry, but thats on you. its not a discussion, and we cant agree to disagree.

you are holding on to a fallacy.

Nothing in the world could have stopped serbia from legally challenging it further. Serbia Doesnt do it. Because it has nothing with wich to argue.

you really need to accept the reality, that serbia, having entered the un AFTER it already lost kosovo. having had no legal authority whatsover of any kind during kosovo's time as a un protectorate. in so far as the UN and international law is concerned. Has Never held kosovo in existence.

the several constitutions Serbia authored after fact are worth less than toilet paper created without the input permission or participation of anyone but themsleves.

Kosovo has next to nothing to justify.
The country in wich it existed prior to becoming a UN protectorate, no longer exists.

Serbia on the other hand, would have to attempt to explain in a court it doesnt control the authority it magically thinks it possesses. A court where Nationalist Mythology and motivation hold no weight. Where the idea that Serbia somehow inherited anything from milosovic would get them laughed out of the room.

Serbia will do all it can to avoid ever finding itself in position to ask precisely the question your 'interpretation' fakes a complaint about being unanswered.

Serbia Will NEVER in a million years do it.

Milsovic was able to hide behind the "its an internal matter" routine to avoid explaining his actions and dictatorship. todays 'democratic' serbia has no such hidey hole.

The ONLY hope serbia had, was to avoid the tough questions IT would have had to answer, and gotten the international community into telling kosovo what it could or could not do in serbias stead.

Serbia took the best scheme it could... and failed hard.

@ben
absolute total 100% nonsense you are saying. there is not 1 albanian source from prior to the 19th century that claimed "albanians were illyrian" because it does not exist. the albanians only started to make this claim after they saw the croats and serbs do so with the "illyrian movement". some more interesting facts;
1) illyrian toponyms do not follow albanian phonetic law
2) most ancient latin loanwords in albanian have the phonetic form of the east balkan latin (romania) and not west balkan (dalmatia)
3) albanian marine terminology is borrowed from different languages which means they were not a costal people
4) hardly and ancient greek loan words exist in albanian, if they were next to each other as albanians often claim there would have been more
5) THERE IS NO, ABSOLUTELY NO REFERENCE TO THE WORD "ALBANIAN" IN THE BALKANS UNTIL THE 10th CENTURY. A country called "Albania" did exist before that in what is todays Azerbaijan.
6) the Byzantine empire had a policy of resettling entire populations prior to that to protect its outposts, both "Albanias" were on the edges of its empire.