EP observers on Kosovo vote: Threats and fraud

Well Ms Lunacek, as one of the most vocal supporters of Kosovo's secession in the EP, you ought to take some responsibility for "changing things".

Standards before status, oh those were the times. Now it's got no standards and a wobbly half-status.

On that occasion, EP Rapporteur and member of the Observer Mission Ulrike Lunacek said that things in Kosovo "must change".
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Of course things must change. It looks like the internationals have finally taken their heads out of the sand and realised what partnerships with criminal thugs and terrorists really mean. I'm glad the "lawless north" is finally off the agenda and they realise where the real lawlessness lives.
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Commenting on a statement from a MEP that "Europe may have acted hastily" by recognizing Kosovo, Lunacek said that "other issues are being addressed at this point rather than the issue of Kosovo's independence".
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Now that it has been reconfirmed (and it's something we've known all along), the public justification for independence is "stability" but when this is achieved by appeasing criminals who are threatening violence then even a child knows "stability" is only temporary.

I think that Pristina will sooner or later bite the hand that feeds it and when that happens you can kiss "stability" good bye. Those countries that recognised Kosovo based on this will have to reconsider.

The sign I'm looking for now is a few more recognitions in quick succession as a sign that Pristina is in a panic and calling on the last cards up its sleeve before the whole house comes crashing down.

Maybe if NATO didn't bomb the Chinese embassy in Belgrade or ordered its troops to kill Russian soldiers at Pristina airport, things may be different but these strong, emerging and resurging countries have taken this personally.

The tide has turned my friends. Things will only get worse for the criminals in KiM and that is excellent news for the whole region.

What a mess!

Oh what ever PRN!

How can you comments be so positive after reading this article?

Is this your version of of infecting europe with degrading culture.

If there has been 87 years of of occupation of Kosovo, then what you meant is that the Albanians have been occupying Serbian territory for 87 years. What about the 1300 years before the last 87 years.

Stop infecting these Serbian boards with you infactual statements. Are you trying to brainwash the readers, or are you just fooling yourself.

Anyways, thank you for your degenerating comments and contributions of infecting quality. Like always, your comments make for great humour of the day.

It was a big mistake to give up the "standards before status" procedure.

Having the latest elections and the mentality of the Kosovo politicians ("I am the state") in min, I have some serious doubts if democratic and European standards will ever be reached.

A little hint to Thaci&Co: Politicians are elected (without fraud) for a period of time to serve the country and all its citizens, not to take advantage of it for yourself and friends+family and to behave like a lifetime king.

I am glad that we are improving, slowly but surely. After 87 years under occupation we are doing fine for 12 years in Freedom and 3 years of full independence.

Nevertheless, Kosovo is Albania, and sooner rather than later will inevitably get united. It is practically united in many ways, just formality is needed.
Back to the topic...
One should not expect much from a newborn democracy after living for nearly 9 decades in occupation and tyranny.

PRN,

You say "we are improving".

Improving? Black is white...

I'm afraid people like you guarantee that in case there's any improvement it sure is going to be slow.

PRN, I suggest you to travel to Kosovo from where-ever you are stationed today. Talk to teenagers and to 20-30 years old persons. Come then back here to talk about your improvement theory. In case you are already stationed in Kosovo... open your eyes and ears. Otherwise you aren't a part of solution but a part of problem.

PRN,

Full indepedence? Since when? Please tell me when and how 1244 was replaced or altered? Please post a link to new UN SC resoltution.

Not only is Kosovo isolated and left out of the white schengen. It has no investments, no jobs to offer its people, and crime worse then anywhrere else. Its leaders are charged with organ-, human trafficing. terrorism etc. All this after 11 years of international rule. GREAT WORK!!!

Everyone in Kosovo is aware Thaci and his militant group is behind it, the problem is US and QUINT countries rather saw him as puppet then anyone els which they cant blackmail, fortunately his days are numbered and now even US cant protect him.

The most important is that WE ARE FREE and liberated from 87 years of OCCUPATION...so this is what counts most.
(PRN, 18 January 2011 14:10)

Occupation? Well, then are the Dutch in Northern France oocupied by France? Is Scotland occupied by England/UK? Is South Tirol occupied by Italy?

Albanians in Kosovo are just a minority in this Serbian province. Like there are Serbs in Croatia. And yes, Albanians in Greece. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less. There is already an Albanian sate: Albania!

There is no Kurdish state however. So if you really want to create a new state why not try to create one for a people that lacks any!

Agim, the Snake has been reduced to a worm. He has no power, and will be gone soon. He is not an asset to America anymore, but a liability now. He will either go to jail, be eradicated by his own Albanians, or step down so he can "spend more time with his family". In any case, he will slither away soon.

It seems like the K Albanians dont want any state. At least they are doing EVERYTHING opposite. Fraud and threats in the elections like a bamboo-country?! And "PRN" has the guts to say "many ways, just formality is needed" and "One should not expect much from a newborn democracy". Well, let me tell you seriously PRN; You are not a newborn democracy, its worse than Disneyland. I am sure that the organ harvesting investigation will be very very deep and eventually throw many of your leaders in jail for a VERY long time. Why do you think the US is so quiet. The support has declined? I dont know. We will see.

Also, you support gangsters. No one think today that Kosovo will be a country and it matters absolutely nothing what the K Albanian think. Res 1244 is in full force. Eulex works under 1244. Ask them.

Olli,

I travel alot, see alot and live most of the time Prishtina, ( but also travel to practically all cities in Kosovo. Kosovo situation is improving, regardless of how much you like it or others dislike it.

I know what Albanians abroad think or Albanians inside think. I have got both views as I talk to both. One think is for sure that the pace we are moving forward is by far more quickly, (when compared to how were we killed and completely destroyed by Serbian criminals) than the whole region.

Let me explain to you and the rest Kosovo 2011 vs Kosovo 1999:

1.Kosovo has by far more people with educated with foreign and local degrees than in 1999.

2.Kosovo has more people working proportionally than they were in 1999.

3.Kosovo have far better infrastructure than we had in 1999

4.Kosovo has by far more FDI than we had in 1999

5.Kosovo is recognised by 74 country as fully fledged state in comparison to 0 in 1999.

6.Last but not the least...KOsovo has by far less criminals (and war criminals) now than we had in 1999.


....the list could continue

Naturally we have faced a few challenges but we are studying and learning from them.

The most important is that WE ARE FREE and liberated from 87 years of OCCUPATION...so this is what counts most.

THE WEST IS CRACKING!!

Commenting on a statement from a MEP that "Europe may have acted hastily" by recognizing Kosovo,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

western hypocrisy is killing them. Organ black market and election fraud. Soon the heroin and human traffiking will also come to light. Maybe we will see the eu begging Serbia to take back kosovo in exchange for membership since they now realize kosovo will never be able to get into the eu all by itself. Serbia should add an additional paragraph to the General Assembly resolution which condemns the UDI which states that the usa and western europe should admit fault, apologize and make restitution to Serbia for orchestrating the violent break-up of Yugoslavia.

The winds of change have settled the Balkans again.. I'm assuming the standard tactics will be deployed by k Alb leadership, threats of greater Albania, threats of FYROMS demise, list of witnesses made public, murders, bombings and wild media rants.. Though not a lover of the Serbian cause, I know a lot of Serbs will disagree, but I think Tadic has done a great job! Patient and consistent.. A different approach hence the tide has turned. The west have some one they can do business with. As for the Albanians, I think the love affair is over, the truth always comes. The Kosovo Albanians are not ready to earn the respect of the west like Tadic has done. Well done mr Tadic, the Serb nation are approaching a period of positive results both politically and economically. Thaci and co have to go, time for a new generation of Kosovo Albs to run the joint...

(KU, 18 January 2011 21:49):

"Regarding the elections, it could have been worse."
Sure, it can always be worse.

"The re-voting in January involved only around 10% of the people who voted in December."
True, but maybe worth to mention that, as far as I know, there will be a re-voting in Mitrovica, too. How many % will that be?

"Means that irregularities were certified only in 10% of the voting stations."
Exactly. Certified. Not to be confused with "irregularities HAPPENED in only 10% of the voting stations".
You know, for every thief caught in a store, there are 5 more not caught, don't you? And again, you forgot the re-voting in Mitrovica.

"10% is still too high in my opinion, not perfect, but hopefully next time it will be better."
Everybody hoped that, but, unfortunately, the re-voting wasn't any better: Again with fraud and threads - even under the eyes of international observers who took a closer look this time. How silly!

It is a pity that the mistakes made by Albanians such as those frauds are used by Serbian fascists to try re-write history and propagate of "change of tides". The current media coverage is not really good for the Albanian side, but those a captures of the moment. Nobody challenges the proven atrocities of the Serbian side which has been documented. We all regard this as a fact and it will not make a surprise when - again - a Serbian mass murderer get caught, just as recently in Montenegro. We are so used to read and hear from Serbian mass murderers and genocide committers that it is not even worth mentioning it. That is why the media is so focused on the Albanian side now. It is new, even when we still have to wait until the dick shows some proofs (I doubt that this will ever happen.

So keep your heads cool and enjoy your current victory. After all, you lost one of your major assets to defend yourselves. You lost the part where you can blame the Western media for their biased reporting. Now, nothing is biased. Albanians experiences an unfair campaign with the Serbian media as the spearhead. This will not be forgotten, especially after the hate propaganda of Tanjug and Co. from the 90s which is up to this date not apologized for.

I for my part have a much more deeper distance against Serbs, because of the recent events. If you would say that Thaci is a criminal, I wouldn't have a problem with it because it is the truth. But you try to insult our whole nation. This is outrageous. I lost the last bit of hope that those two people will ever have a normal living together. We are enemies. With the last hate mongery which spread from Belgrade I feel confirmed in that, I promised you that in this or another way that will backfire to you, soon. Nothing is forgotten in the Balkans.

many ways, just formality is needed.
Back to the topic...
One should not expect much from a newborn democracy after living for nearly 9 decades in occupation and tyranny.
(PRN, 18 January 2011 11:26)

So you theory is that it is normal to be "governed" by criminals because of what happend in the past.... interesting theory... I'm not sure that the EP has the same opinion, but yes, I will check their swiss bank accounts and will keep you informed....
What is however tragico-comic is that the election were repeated because of frauds and instead of behaving, no, again frauds and threats in the second election.... There, I fail to understand the link with some past "occupation", or is this like a deasease to always blame the others for your shortcomings??
Zoran is right, the kosovo illegal UDI was rushed but now it looks like the patience of the EP and others is reaching the limits. Whom to blame this time?

Nothing is forgotten in the Balkans.
(JohnC., 18 January 2011 13:50)
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You got that right. All you talk about is how Serbs did this or that. What about what Albanians did and even after the war? What about all those churches and monasteries destroyed, people murdered in their own homes, cemeteries destroyed and people enslaved? All this AFTER the war too.

Imagine the horrors during the war if all this horror happened after the war. Do you expect the Serbs to forget this?
Sure, keep the hate alive and only think about your problems but don't be a fool and turn a blind eye on all the horrors Albanians inflicted on the Serbs because that is not the way to reconcile.
If you think for a minute that Serbs don't care about their own and will forget this, especially when they have people like you who deny all that was done in their name, then you have a problem on your hands. Serbs will continue to hold you to it and now even the rest of the world is starting to.
You are much better to recognise that crimes were committed by all, more horrible ones by your side actually, and hope that one day both can find a way to a peaceful life together.
Stop lying about being oppressed for a hundred years and open your eyes to the truth. Nothing good has ever come from lies.

The most important thing now is to form a new goverment. In that way we will counter Dick Marty and Serbia in their aproach to bring down the image of Kosovo. As long as Kosovo is united we will as before crush the serbian propaganda against the albanian nation. This dick marty report is constructed in Belgrade to hide it's own crimes in Kosovo. They rather want to know where ''200-500'' serbs are but don't put effort in finding thousand of albanian missing wich are buried in massgraves all over Serbia.

I bet the organ-theory comes from serbian own experience on how they have handled with albanian an bosnian civilians wich still today are missing. I bet Serbia dosen't want to find this missing people without organs.

Serbia will lose all battles against Kosovo and it´'s people. No need for serbs to even put effort on trying to make Kosovo unstable because albanians are there to handle with you. As we handle your car-plates.

"So you theory is that it is normal to be "governed" by criminals because of what happend in the past.... interesting theory..."
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Talking about criminals:
"Belgrade - In a letter directly to Serbian President Boris Tadic, the country's anti-corruption body on Wednesday blasted Serbia's 'systematic corruption,' according to media reports."
And what is your theory about this?

Everyone in Kosovo is aware Thaci and his militant group is behind it, the problem is US and QUINT countries rather saw him as puppet then anyone els which they cant blackmail, fortunately his days are numbered and now even US cant protect him.
(Pejoni, Suedi, 18 January 2011 16:30)

Dream on Pejoni,
Thaci is the man that will govern Kosova for next for years. No wonder your coment was posted about the burning of Serb KP vehicle in Leposavic on another today's article, despite the fact that I wrote numerous psot regarding that incident in past 2 days, none was posted. I can see where you come from.
Long live The SNAKE.

"Nothing good has ever come from lies.
(Peggy, 18 January 2011, 21:08)"
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Hear, hear!

Were elections run any differently under the internationals? If people are still trying to vote as "families" - an elderly husband and wife tottering into the booth together, as they always have - then why wasn't this misunderstanding cleared up long ago?

Dell seems to be taking a rational approach to the problem - after all, he was the ambassador to Zimbabwe and knows what real corruption looks like. Investigate, punish those who deserve it as a warning, change the rules as necessary, and move on.

"Commenting on a statement from a MEP that "Europe may have acted hastily" by recognizing Kosovo, Lunacek said that "other issues are being addressed at this point rather than the issue of Kosovo's independence". "

Well, another Dutch MEP said that Albania was living under the Sharia Law, in the debate preceding the visa abolishment for Albania and Bosnia in December. He had no idea what he was saying. A Serbian or Slovakian MEP also spoke against visa abolishment for Albania together with an Italian MEP, who is known in Italy for cleaning the seats of the train cabins were black people seat and for wanting northern Italy to secede from Italy. I do not remember what they actually said, but I remember the feeling of amazement that such people are elected to the European Parliament. They made no sense. It is a curious zoo the European Parliament. There you can find this kind of extreme right or populist people, the european tea-partiers, elected by European rednecks, (and you can also find extreme left people), but most importantly you can find many more normal people like Lunacek and Tanya Fajon, who actually know what they are saying.

Regarding the elections, it could have been worse. The re-voting in January involved only around 10% of the people who voted in December. Means that irregularities were certified only in 10% of the voting stations. 10% is still too high in my opinion, not perfect, but hopefully next time it will be better. "Standards before status" failed with UNMIK, which was supposed to work on standards, wanted by nobody, Kostunica in the first place. Going back to that now would be like "Standards before status before standards". A nice infinite loop.

PRN,

I'm happy if general political, social, economical and human condition improves in Kosovo. I'm happy to hear that my view isn't correct.

Perhaps the main cause for my mistaken view is that for 3 years now I've studied Kosovo's down-to-earth situation and life on grassroot level thru the guidance and principles laid down in this document:

http://www.oefz.at/oefzII/lettresCFA/ENG-Policy-Paper.pdf

Perhaps the project envisioned in the document is too demanding for Kosovo. Perhaps I should do like you: to see that things look good when current condition is better than condition during the open war time. And that after all, most important is independence, even if it hasn't managed to bring trust into Kosovo's society.

"You know, for every thief caught in a store, there are 5 more not caught, don't you?"
(Top, 19 January 2011 08:19)

Well, no I did not know that. Why 5 and not 7? Or 3? Where does this number 5 come from? Also, what kind of stores? Candy stores? Or banks? This to say that I do not think your analogy holds, this is not a store, these are elections. Totally different situation. There are stations. In each station, there are commissioners from almost all the important parties, all eyes and ears to check for eventual frauds from the other side. There are observers, foreign and not, there is police and strict procedures for voting. A much stricter monitoring than in stores. So no, I do not think for every certified irregular station there are 5 more that escaped. I think it is 10% and there is no "dark matter" in the universe of this situation :).

I am glad that we are improving, slowly but surely. After 87 years under occupation we are doing fine for 12 years in Freedom and 3 years of full independence.

Nevertheless, Kosovo is Albania, and sooner rather than later will inevitably get united. It is practically united in many ways, just formality is needed.
Back to the topic...
One should not expect much from a newborn democracy after living for nearly 9 decades in occupation and tyranny.

Olli,

I travel alot, see alot and live most of the time Prishtina, ( but also travel to practically all cities in Kosovo. Kosovo situation is improving, regardless of how much you like it or others dislike it.

I know what Albanians abroad think or Albanians inside think. I have got both views as I talk to both. One think is for sure that the pace we are moving forward is by far more quickly, (when compared to how were we killed and completely destroyed by Serbian criminals) than the whole region.

Let me explain to you and the rest Kosovo 2011 vs Kosovo 1999:

1.Kosovo has by far more people with educated with foreign and local degrees than in 1999.

2.Kosovo has more people working proportionally than they were in 1999.

3.Kosovo have far better infrastructure than we had in 1999

4.Kosovo has by far more FDI than we had in 1999

5.Kosovo is recognised by 74 country as fully fledged state in comparison to 0 in 1999.

6.Last but not the least...KOsovo has by far less criminals (and war criminals) now than we had in 1999.


....the list could continue

Naturally we have faced a few challenges but we are studying and learning from them.

The most important is that WE ARE FREE and liberated from 87 years of OCCUPATION...so this is what counts most.

The most important thing now is to form a new goverment. In that way we will counter Dick Marty and Serbia in their aproach to bring down the image of Kosovo. As long as Kosovo is united we will as before crush the serbian propaganda against the albanian nation. This dick marty report is constructed in Belgrade to hide it's own crimes in Kosovo. They rather want to know where ''200-500'' serbs are but don't put effort in finding thousand of albanian missing wich are buried in massgraves all over Serbia.

I bet the organ-theory comes from serbian own experience on how they have handled with albanian an bosnian civilians wich still today are missing. I bet Serbia dosen't want to find this missing people without organs.

Serbia will lose all battles against Kosovo and it´'s people. No need for serbs to even put effort on trying to make Kosovo unstable because albanians are there to handle with you. As we handle your car-plates.

It is a pity that the mistakes made by Albanians such as those frauds are used by Serbian fascists to try re-write history and propagate of "change of tides". The current media coverage is not really good for the Albanian side, but those a captures of the moment. Nobody challenges the proven atrocities of the Serbian side which has been documented. We all regard this as a fact and it will not make a surprise when - again - a Serbian mass murderer get caught, just as recently in Montenegro. We are so used to read and hear from Serbian mass murderers and genocide committers that it is not even worth mentioning it. That is why the media is so focused on the Albanian side now. It is new, even when we still have to wait until the dick shows some proofs (I doubt that this will ever happen.

So keep your heads cool and enjoy your current victory. After all, you lost one of your major assets to defend yourselves. You lost the part where you can blame the Western media for their biased reporting. Now, nothing is biased. Albanians experiences an unfair campaign with the Serbian media as the spearhead. This will not be forgotten, especially after the hate propaganda of Tanjug and Co. from the 90s which is up to this date not apologized for.

I for my part have a much more deeper distance against Serbs, because of the recent events. If you would say that Thaci is a criminal, I wouldn't have a problem with it because it is the truth. But you try to insult our whole nation. This is outrageous. I lost the last bit of hope that those two people will ever have a normal living together. We are enemies. With the last hate mongery which spread from Belgrade I feel confirmed in that, I promised you that in this or another way that will backfire to you, soon. Nothing is forgotten in the Balkans.

Everyone in Kosovo is aware Thaci and his militant group is behind it, the problem is US and QUINT countries rather saw him as puppet then anyone els which they cant blackmail, fortunately his days are numbered and now even US cant protect him.
(Pejoni, Suedi, 18 January 2011 16:30)

Dream on Pejoni,
Thaci is the man that will govern Kosova for next for years. No wonder your coment was posted about the burning of Serb KP vehicle in Leposavic on another today's article, despite the fact that I wrote numerous psot regarding that incident in past 2 days, none was posted. I can see where you come from.
Long live The SNAKE.

On that occasion, EP Rapporteur and member of the Observer Mission Ulrike Lunacek said that things in Kosovo "must change".
--
Of course things must change. It looks like the internationals have finally taken their heads out of the sand and realised what partnerships with criminal thugs and terrorists really mean. I'm glad the "lawless north" is finally off the agenda and they realise where the real lawlessness lives.
==
Commenting on a statement from a MEP that "Europe may have acted hastily" by recognizing Kosovo, Lunacek said that "other issues are being addressed at this point rather than the issue of Kosovo's independence".
--
Now that it has been reconfirmed (and it's something we've known all along), the public justification for independence is "stability" but when this is achieved by appeasing criminals who are threatening violence then even a child knows "stability" is only temporary.

I think that Pristina will sooner or later bite the hand that feeds it and when that happens you can kiss "stability" good bye. Those countries that recognised Kosovo based on this will have to reconsider.

The sign I'm looking for now is a few more recognitions in quick succession as a sign that Pristina is in a panic and calling on the last cards up its sleeve before the whole house comes crashing down.

Maybe if NATO didn't bomb the Chinese embassy in Belgrade or ordered its troops to kill Russian soldiers at Pristina airport, things may be different but these strong, emerging and resurging countries have taken this personally.

The tide has turned my friends. Things will only get worse for the criminals in KiM and that is excellent news for the whole region.

Oh what ever PRN!

How can you comments be so positive after reading this article?

Is this your version of of infecting europe with degrading culture.

If there has been 87 years of of occupation of Kosovo, then what you meant is that the Albanians have been occupying Serbian territory for 87 years. What about the 1300 years before the last 87 years.

Stop infecting these Serbian boards with you infactual statements. Are you trying to brainwash the readers, or are you just fooling yourself.

Anyways, thank you for your degenerating comments and contributions of infecting quality. Like always, your comments make for great humour of the day.

Well Ms Lunacek, as one of the most vocal supporters of Kosovo's secession in the EP, you ought to take some responsibility for "changing things".

Standards before status, oh those were the times. Now it's got no standards and a wobbly half-status.

PRN,

You say "we are improving".

Improving? Black is white...

I'm afraid people like you guarantee that in case there's any improvement it sure is going to be slow.

PRN, I suggest you to travel to Kosovo from where-ever you are stationed today. Talk to teenagers and to 20-30 years old persons. Come then back here to talk about your improvement theory. In case you are already stationed in Kosovo... open your eyes and ears. Otherwise you aren't a part of solution but a part of problem.

What a mess!

Were elections run any differently under the internationals? If people are still trying to vote as "families" - an elderly husband and wife tottering into the booth together, as they always have - then why wasn't this misunderstanding cleared up long ago?

Dell seems to be taking a rational approach to the problem - after all, he was the ambassador to Zimbabwe and knows what real corruption looks like. Investigate, punish those who deserve it as a warning, change the rules as necessary, and move on.

PRN,

Full indepedence? Since when? Please tell me when and how 1244 was replaced or altered? Please post a link to new UN SC resoltution.

The most important is that WE ARE FREE and liberated from 87 years of OCCUPATION...so this is what counts most.
(PRN, 18 January 2011 14:10)

Occupation? Well, then are the Dutch in Northern France oocupied by France? Is Scotland occupied by England/UK? Is South Tirol occupied by Italy?

Albanians in Kosovo are just a minority in this Serbian province. Like there are Serbs in Croatia. And yes, Albanians in Greece. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less. There is already an Albanian sate: Albania!

There is no Kurdish state however. So if you really want to create a new state why not try to create one for a people that lacks any!

"Commenting on a statement from a MEP that "Europe may have acted hastily" by recognizing Kosovo, Lunacek said that "other issues are being addressed at this point rather than the issue of Kosovo's independence". "

Well, another Dutch MEP said that Albania was living under the Sharia Law, in the debate preceding the visa abolishment for Albania and Bosnia in December. He had no idea what he was saying. A Serbian or Slovakian MEP also spoke against visa abolishment for Albania together with an Italian MEP, who is known in Italy for cleaning the seats of the train cabins were black people seat and for wanting northern Italy to secede from Italy. I do not remember what they actually said, but I remember the feeling of amazement that such people are elected to the European Parliament. They made no sense. It is a curious zoo the European Parliament. There you can find this kind of extreme right or populist people, the european tea-partiers, elected by European rednecks, (and you can also find extreme left people), but most importantly you can find many more normal people like Lunacek and Tanya Fajon, who actually know what they are saying.

Regarding the elections, it could have been worse. The re-voting in January involved only around 10% of the people who voted in December. Means that irregularities were certified only in 10% of the voting stations. 10% is still too high in my opinion, not perfect, but hopefully next time it will be better. "Standards before status" failed with UNMIK, which was supposed to work on standards, wanted by nobody, Kostunica in the first place. Going back to that now would be like "Standards before status before standards". A nice infinite loop.

"You know, for every thief caught in a store, there are 5 more not caught, don't you?"
(Top, 19 January 2011 08:19)

Well, no I did not know that. Why 5 and not 7? Or 3? Where does this number 5 come from? Also, what kind of stores? Candy stores? Or banks? This to say that I do not think your analogy holds, this is not a store, these are elections. Totally different situation. There are stations. In each station, there are commissioners from almost all the important parties, all eyes and ears to check for eventual frauds from the other side. There are observers, foreign and not, there is police and strict procedures for voting. A much stricter monitoring than in stores. So no, I do not think for every certified irregular station there are 5 more that escaped. I think it is 10% and there is no "dark matter" in the universe of this situation :).

Nothing is forgotten in the Balkans.
(JohnC., 18 January 2011 13:50)
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You got that right. All you talk about is how Serbs did this or that. What about what Albanians did and even after the war? What about all those churches and monasteries destroyed, people murdered in their own homes, cemeteries destroyed and people enslaved? All this AFTER the war too.

Imagine the horrors during the war if all this horror happened after the war. Do you expect the Serbs to forget this?
Sure, keep the hate alive and only think about your problems but don't be a fool and turn a blind eye on all the horrors Albanians inflicted on the Serbs because that is not the way to reconcile.
If you think for a minute that Serbs don't care about their own and will forget this, especially when they have people like you who deny all that was done in their name, then you have a problem on your hands. Serbs will continue to hold you to it and now even the rest of the world is starting to.
You are much better to recognise that crimes were committed by all, more horrible ones by your side actually, and hope that one day both can find a way to a peaceful life together.
Stop lying about being oppressed for a hundred years and open your eyes to the truth. Nothing good has ever come from lies.

Agim, the Snake has been reduced to a worm. He has no power, and will be gone soon. He is not an asset to America anymore, but a liability now. He will either go to jail, be eradicated by his own Albanians, or step down so he can "spend more time with his family". In any case, he will slither away soon.

THE WEST IS CRACKING!!

Commenting on a statement from a MEP that "Europe may have acted hastily" by recognizing Kosovo,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

western hypocrisy is killing them. Organ black market and election fraud. Soon the heroin and human traffiking will also come to light. Maybe we will see the eu begging Serbia to take back kosovo in exchange for membership since they now realize kosovo will never be able to get into the eu all by itself. Serbia should add an additional paragraph to the General Assembly resolution which condemns the UDI which states that the usa and western europe should admit fault, apologize and make restitution to Serbia for orchestrating the violent break-up of Yugoslavia.

Everyone in Kosovo is aware Thaci and his militant group is behind it, the problem is US and QUINT countries rather saw him as puppet then anyone els which they cant blackmail, fortunately his days are numbered and now even US cant protect him.

It was a big mistake to give up the "standards before status" procedure.

Having the latest elections and the mentality of the Kosovo politicians ("I am the state") in min, I have some serious doubts if democratic and European standards will ever be reached.

A little hint to Thaci&Co: Politicians are elected (without fraud) for a period of time to serve the country and all its citizens, not to take advantage of it for yourself and friends+family and to behave like a lifetime king.

Not only is Kosovo isolated and left out of the white schengen. It has no investments, no jobs to offer its people, and crime worse then anywhrere else. Its leaders are charged with organ-, human trafficing. terrorism etc. All this after 11 years of international rule. GREAT WORK!!!

many ways, just formality is needed.
Back to the topic...
One should not expect much from a newborn democracy after living for nearly 9 decades in occupation and tyranny.
(PRN, 18 January 2011 11:26)

So you theory is that it is normal to be "governed" by criminals because of what happend in the past.... interesting theory... I'm not sure that the EP has the same opinion, but yes, I will check their swiss bank accounts and will keep you informed....
What is however tragico-comic is that the election were repeated because of frauds and instead of behaving, no, again frauds and threats in the second election.... There, I fail to understand the link with some past "occupation", or is this like a deasease to always blame the others for your shortcomings??
Zoran is right, the kosovo illegal UDI was rushed but now it looks like the patience of the EP and others is reaching the limits. Whom to blame this time?

"So you theory is that it is normal to be "governed" by criminals because of what happend in the past.... interesting theory..."
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Talking about criminals:
"Belgrade - In a letter directly to Serbian President Boris Tadic, the country's anti-corruption body on Wednesday blasted Serbia's 'systematic corruption,' according to media reports."
And what is your theory about this?

The winds of change have settled the Balkans again.. I'm assuming the standard tactics will be deployed by k Alb leadership, threats of greater Albania, threats of FYROMS demise, list of witnesses made public, murders, bombings and wild media rants.. Though not a lover of the Serbian cause, I know a lot of Serbs will disagree, but I think Tadic has done a great job! Patient and consistent.. A different approach hence the tide has turned. The west have some one they can do business with. As for the Albanians, I think the love affair is over, the truth always comes. The Kosovo Albanians are not ready to earn the respect of the west like Tadic has done. Well done mr Tadic, the Serb nation are approaching a period of positive results both politically and economically. Thaci and co have to go, time for a new generation of Kosovo Albs to run the joint...

"Nothing good has ever come from lies.
(Peggy, 18 January 2011, 21:08)"
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Hear, hear!

PRN,

I'm happy if general political, social, economical and human condition improves in Kosovo. I'm happy to hear that my view isn't correct.

Perhaps the main cause for my mistaken view is that for 3 years now I've studied Kosovo's down-to-earth situation and life on grassroot level thru the guidance and principles laid down in this document:

http://www.oefz.at/oefzII/lettresCFA/ENG-Policy-Paper.pdf

Perhaps the project envisioned in the document is too demanding for Kosovo. Perhaps I should do like you: to see that things look good when current condition is better than condition during the open war time. And that after all, most important is independence, even if it hasn't managed to bring trust into Kosovo's society.

It seems like the K Albanians dont want any state. At least they are doing EVERYTHING opposite. Fraud and threats in the elections like a bamboo-country?! And "PRN" has the guts to say "many ways, just formality is needed" and "One should not expect much from a newborn democracy". Well, let me tell you seriously PRN; You are not a newborn democracy, its worse than Disneyland. I am sure that the organ harvesting investigation will be very very deep and eventually throw many of your leaders in jail for a VERY long time. Why do you think the US is so quiet. The support has declined? I dont know. We will see.

Also, you support gangsters. No one think today that Kosovo will be a country and it matters absolutely nothing what the K Albanian think. Res 1244 is in full force. Eulex works under 1244. Ask them.

(KU, 18 January 2011 21:49):

"Regarding the elections, it could have been worse."
Sure, it can always be worse.

"The re-voting in January involved only around 10% of the people who voted in December."
True, but maybe worth to mention that, as far as I know, there will be a re-voting in Mitrovica, too. How many % will that be?

"Means that irregularities were certified only in 10% of the voting stations."
Exactly. Certified. Not to be confused with "irregularities HAPPENED in only 10% of the voting stations".
You know, for every thief caught in a store, there are 5 more not caught, don't you? And again, you forgot the re-voting in Mitrovica.

"10% is still too high in my opinion, not perfect, but hopefully next time it will be better."
Everybody hoped that, but, unfortunately, the re-voting wasn't any better: Again with fraud and threads - even under the eyes of international observers who took a closer look this time. How silly!