EU, U.S., and "differences over Kosovo"

The United States chose the Albanians as their surrogates because they were a usful tool in establishing a permanent cost free military presence in that part of Europe. The war against Serbia was the perfect pretext to oust the legal owners of that province, and do as they will. The same method was used in Iraq and Afghanistan. Everything else, so far as US planners were concerned, was by the by. The Europeans on the otherhand are beginning to seriously regret blindly backing the US and Britain over Kosovo. But the vast expenditure pumped into the territory, and the oft repeated and hugely exaggerated threats of violence by the Albanian mafia, have paralysed European policy. It's time for the Europeans to get tough, and emerge from America's shadow over Kosovo.

PRN: "New week, and I await the new recognition.
Guess who is next! I know the name but I would spare it which also mean sparing some Serbian taxpayers money for an useless trip that would little Vuk undertake to convince the leader of the country to wait."

Phew! Lucky that you didn't spill the beans so Vuk spotted your inside information on B92 and flew off to the volcanic sinking island/ US 'nucular' test ground of Boshyboshybashunko (pop. 12).

Wish we all had your inside info!!

For my part I do enjoy reading sensible pro-Serb or pro-Albanian comments on this forum. What I find tedious is anonymous arm chair commentators like PRN spouting their mindless nonsense. Instead of tiresome provocation that would embarrass a 12 year old, try something more thought provoking. A suggestion to improve your shambles of an economy, and a way of dealing with your rampant crime, corruption and primitive clan culture would be a start. Still I suppose every gathering needs someone to entertain them. When all is said and done though do you really think the battle over recognitions is having any discernable effect on the day to day lives of ordinary people on the street. Some people may obssess over the ridiculous concept of natural/greater albania, but I think you'll find the rest of us live in the 21st Century not the middle ages.

But Ker-Lindsay said that none were willing to publicly admit that the greatest danger posed to stability were in fact threats made by Kosovo's Albanians that they would "return to violence" unless given independence.
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Yes, that is exactly the point. The West is appeasing terrorists and criminal thugs by giving in to threats of violence. In so doing they have turned a blind eye to the heinous crimes committed by these people to Serbians, ethnic Albanians and others within the province.

The things is, Bush, Bliar, Clinton and other partners in crime are no different to Thaci. They are the worst kind of criminals.

I am also glad that an admission is made for evidence to be gathered through an investigation. So let the investigation begin because this isn't just about organ trafficking, it is much much bigger. We all know it, the internationals, Serbians and even those ethnic Albanians in denial. Long term peace has never been achieved by appeasing criminals and terrorists. It eventually blows up in ones face.

Please do not paint Britain with the same brush as the US. Any perceived support for US is only at the governmental level and I am sure that given the chance of a referendum, which I stress we were never given the chance of, the majority of UK public would want to distance themselves from the policies adopted by the US.

@ Aussie of Sydney - While I don't support FREEDEM's stance, it's hardly fair to say "Judging by your rant, you lack a proper education.."

Your own posting is full of errors, so I wouldn't pull others up on it. FREEDOM obviously speaks at least 2 languages, how many do you speak?

Plus why would you blame Serbia for the poor education of any Albanian? You don't even know if he was schooled there.

You had your own rant earlier about handing over part of Kosovo to Albania. Unless you are Albanian yourself, that point of view shows a total lack of understanding.

@ FREEDOM - You didn't even read the entire story about why Mr Marty is not showing up at the EP debate. Either that, or you are trying to turn it into some sort of black mark for him.

The report on B92, states (as you well know):

"The article adds that sources said Marty "obviously wanted to wait for his report to be adopted on January 25 in the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (which is not an EU body) where he will be supported by Russia and Serbia, and then appear before the EP in stronger position in February".

Dick Marty refused to show up at a call of the European Parlement today or tomorrow.

The main question here is: WHY?
(FREEDOM, 17 January 2011 11:46)

Easy to answer: He has no time in his schedule, after he was invited only last week. Furthermore, he wants to wait until the report is presented at the CoE first, on 25th of January. Simple and easy, no need to spin new fairy tales.

Marty will present evidence where and when he wants. Do Albanians really think that the Swiss senator fabricated the organ-harvesting story? All in due time, folks, and the criminals will be where they belong.

Tongue

Some of these coments about Serbia not educating Albanians are interesting. What happened to all the money that Tito scraped from entire Former Yugo and gave to Kosovars. I guess education then was not important but all money was received and spent. Where? Hard to educate someone who only has natural Albania on its mind and nothing else.

"Kosova has no reason to talk to Serbia at all, and there's not a damn thing EU can do about it
(LW, 17 January 2011 13:43)

I think the EU, UN, EULEX thinks different. The Kosovo politicians seems to have learned that lesson. And there's one simple thing the EU can do: It's even easier than usual: Kosovo has almost no economy, so an embargo wouldn't help. So the EU could simply stop all the donor money flowing Kosovo is heavily depending on.

"And then what? Tell us what would happen next..."
(LP, 17 January 2011 15:26)

Without donor money, there's no corruption and money to gain, and Thaci and his buddies will move to Guinea Bissau and go back to their original 'business' (as reported by Marty), because they can make more money there - and one problem is solved.

Have fun ;-)

For your info:

Dick Marty refused to show up at a call of the European Parlement today or tomorrow.

The main question here is: WHY?

The Albanians/Illyriers know why? There is no evidence.

Serbs are only using this so-called this organ-trafficing to ease their mind/conscience for the crimes they commited.

Kosova AND all the Albanians/illyriers are the key players in the Balkans!

Tung
(FREEDOM, 17 January 2011 11:46) he is going to euro first and second you have none of this so called ilyrian blood i proved on this site a hundred times so keep dreaming your dream . and it looks like Europe are sick of your crying and your lies enjoy the show.

Wait so now Serbia gained concessions because of this report, meaning Northern Kosovo can stay Serbian?

AHAHAHAHA, this is typical Western media. Playing mind tricks on you. As if all of Northern Kosovo is not completely integrated with the rest of Serbia. That somehow, Serbia would be gaining something by the EU ALLOWING Serbia to keep that land.

In reality, Northern Mitrovica and the surrounding areas are impossible to integrate with Pristina. That is just ludacris to even think could happen.

The only concession Serbia needs to gain is once again to rule over all of Kosovo. Times have changed. But I would rather see that happen peacefully. However if the K.Albanians want war again then this time they will lose.

They were lucky enough to score intervention help from the strongest alliance in the world in a window of history where they were the sole heirs to the worlds throne. Things have defiantly changed now though.

As soon as Belgrade is stop being governed by Europhile puppets that are in power, the one step closer this retard child known as "Kosova" is finally put down to sleep.

Theres still a long way to go. And we only lose if WE agree to losing. This article clearly states that not even K.Albs backers are in unison anymore. All of Kosovo is ours never agree to partition.

Nema Predaje

They will either re-negotiate re-integration or they will end up like the The Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka with nothing to fight with after KFOR withdraws & the S. Stream is in place and Europe starts finally paying us for energy whether we join their corrupt union or not

For your info:

Dick Marty refused to show up at a call of the European Parlement today or tomorrow.

The main question here is: WHY?

The Albanians/Illyriers know why? There is no evidence.

Serbs are only using this so-called this organ-trafficing to ease their mind/conscience for the crimes they commited.

Kosova AND all the Albanians/illyriers are the key players in the Balkans!

Tung

totally agree about natural albania, which inludes Kosova. But, I disegree with money sent Kosova during Tito's era. It was the other way around. (Agim Kelmendi, 17 January 2011 17:46)

You might want to take a course in Economics on balance of trade and payments.

EU,US "differences over Kosovo"

Be patient, there were always differences but they will be, as always, overcome. The important thing is that both, the US and practically ALL the EU recognize a fact, the KOSOVO INDEPENDENCE.

This is what counts, the rest is insignificant.

New week, and I await the new recognition.
Guess who is next! I know the name but I would spare it which also mean sparing some Serbian taxpayers money for an useless trip that would little Vuk undertake to convince the leader of the country to wait. IT IS NEVERTHELESS POINTLESS. DECISIONS have already been taken, only formal recognition is to be issued.

oh nooo.. your criminal pseudo-state is collapsing... Your friend is in so much debt, he can't help you anymore. Get ready for the 4th biggest betrayal in american history. FYI, the biggest betrayal was Cambodia, then Iran and Nicaragua. I think your betrayal will slide to 6th soon when america runs away from Iraq and Afghanistan. BTW, when some academic from the uk tells Serbia to keep quiet, you know the uk government is trying to cover up, so Vuk, keep talking.

"But, I disegree with money sent Kosova during Tito's era. It was the other way around. Money milked from mineral rich Kosova was sent to build new Belgrade. "
(Agim Kelmendi, 17 January 2011 17:46)

Kosovo has always been the poorest region in YU. May it be caused by political decisions, or because of the mentality of the inhabitants, I don't know. It's the same with south Italy, where Mafia is operating. If Kosovo is really so 'rich', then why are these resources not exploited? Minerals? The lignite? Why no power plant to at least provide a 24h period for electric power?

Without USA today there wouldn't even be an Europe. So, who cares what Europe says.
(ivan, 17 January 2011 17:10)

Wasn’t Christopher Columbus native American who discovered Europe? lol...

Judging by your rant, you lack a proper education.. that i blame the Serbs for..
(Aussie of Sydney, 17 January 2011 12:09)
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Aussie, sorry Albanian of Sydney, you know the old saying:

You can lead the horse to water........

One can only offer free education but cannot force someone to accept it.
Schools in Kosovo were not segregated. The education the others got is the same as the education offered to Albanians. Actually, Albanians got a little more. They were offered to study in their own language. Can you say the same about any university in Sydney?

So bearing all this in mind, what exactly did Serbia not offer Albanians that the others got?

Without USA today there wouldn't even be an Europe. So, who cares what Europe says.
(ivan, 17 January 2011, 17:10)
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If only we wouldn't have sent all the loonies, outcasts and nutcases there...

Pointless drivel. B92 is trying really hard to keep all these lies alive but it's a no go; this is what happens when accusations are based on fabricated bg lies. If you don't believe me, haven't you noticed that this website keeps on posting an article about this every other day.

I've said it from day one, no talks, we first need a thorough investigation into the bg lies.

THANKS,
(KOSO, 17 January 2011 15:41)

Fortunetly, the Organ Theft has been proven (although they havent proven that it was Thaci yet, the War crimes prosecutors know however, that there was someone above Hardinaj), dozens of witness statements (including those from Albanians), overwhelming evidence found at the scene + Thaci himself admitted that Organ Trafficking did take place (He didn't of course, admit that he was involved).

The Albanian/Kosovo-Albanian Governments simply denied that organ trafficking took place because they knew that, while the world would see right through Thaci, the Albanian population would believe it, and then only because they want to believe it, theres too much to lose.

Fortunetly, its too late, and the world has seen the KLA for what it really is, Not Freedom fighters, But Monstrous Organ Stealing Terrorists (even Hitler couldnt top that) And any credibility Kosovo had is in tatters.

If Thaci's going to sue, then why not do it already?

"The BBC spoke to James Ker-Lindsay "

BBC Serbia found a Serb supporter. Here's a memo to you: Kosova has no reason to talk to Serbia at all, and there's not a damn thing EU can do about it. And Dick Marty will soon be exposed so this will boomerang

Some of these coments about Serbia not educating Albanians are interesting. What happened to all the money that Tito scraped from entire Former Yugo and gave to Kosovars. I guess education then was not important but all money was received and spent. Where? Hard to educate someone who only has natural Albania on its mind and nothing else.
(L, 17 January 2011 15:55)

I totally agree about natural albania, which inludes Kosova. But, I disegree with money sent Kosova during Tito's era. It was the other way around. Money milked from mineral rich Kosova was sent to build new Belgrade.
Unless you actually lived in Kosova during those years, you would not know the truth, otherwise you will not be writting lies.

Without USA today there wouldn't even be an Europe. So, who cares what Europe says.

These reports remind me of the period leading up to the NATO bombing of the Milosevic led Yugoslavia... Constant media bombardments against Yugoslavia's policies towards Bosnia, kosovo ect... The media was a tool meant to convince the western public of the impeding war and official partition of Serbia..

Now we are reading reports about the evil Kosovo Albanians.. weakening their bargaining position on the table in order to justify a Partition of Kosovo just like that of Serbia's 12 years ago...

And to the Albanians... unfortunately you cant have all the cake to yourselves.. the Albanians have always been a minor player in the Balkans, if I were Albanian, I would be greatful for what is given regardless the difference when comparing to your maps of Greater Albania.. Your a child playing a mans games.. You can never compete on the level you dream of.. Killing old village men, policemen going home from a shift, young children playing by a pond and a busload of cemetry goers is all your might that you can muster...

And for the Serbs... you lost the right to govern the Albanians.. These people were throwned upon, treated like mud, disprespected.. you despise them.. I know your attitude well.. instead of educating these people, you drove them into parrellel universities dwelled in caves where students were taught in the faculty of hate by men that lost there jobs in Communist Yugoslavia.. It will never be possible for the Serbs to rule lands where Albanians are a majority... its just not cricket.. Serbias attempts at impereliasm have resulted in todays mess.

Having said all this, the end game is almost over.. Todays educated younger generation dont want war nor do they deserve it...

Yugoslavia is dead.. and Kosovo is the final piece of this this puzzle..

Both Serbs and Albanians have to bite there tongues and accept the reality... the land is owned by the people that live on hence where Albanians live they will live in a place where Albanians live and Serb will live in a place where the Serb rules

hence:

Northern Kosovo
Gracanica
Strpce
Novo Brdo
All to Serbia(And special regards to historical and religous monuments)

And the rest to Albania...

Game over..

Pointless drivel. B92 is trying really hard to keep all these lies alive but it's a no go; this is what happens when accusations are based on fabricated bg lies. If you don't believe me, haven't you noticed that this website keeps on posting an article about this every other day.

I've said it from day one, no talks, we first need a thorough investigation into the bg lies.

THANKS,

p.s. we also have the solution of nuking ourselves (Balkans) and spearing the rest of Europe headache but I do not support that one :D
(Vuk Mujovic, 17 January 2011 22:23)

Your comment is well taken, but at the end of the day you still claim Kosova as yours, which is NOT.

"Kosovo has almost no economy, so an embargo wouldn't help. So the EU could simply stop all the donor money flowing Kosovo is heavily depending on"

And then what? Tell us what would happen next...

OK , first to explain my position: I'm a Serb from Belgrade , middle class , student (political science), center orientated... that said I have no emotional baggage about Kosovo.

The main problem in Kosovo (and Serbia as a whole) is the lack of proper guidance where people are too much oriented towards the problem of "who's land is it" rather than talking about real economic and social problems and their solutions.

So we (they) would start from a clean (and legally stable) slate the first thing done should be the return and restitution of all who were exiled in the last 23 years. With the population we would need infrastructure at least in the economic centers. Good connections (via road , rail , river and air) with Montenegro , Albania , Macedonia and the rest of Serbia are mandatory if we would want the economy on it's feet. Judiciary maybe is expensive and the money scarce but this would be overcome by creating a mix Serb-Albanian-EULEX judiciary system witch would make mistakes rare and corruption really expensive. 49% of the mining companies (shares) should be given to the (former) workers and 51% to the local governments witch would then sell them to a strategic partner... with the money gained that way we should start making development loans to the public.

Going this way (it is a long and troublesome road) we would have an , at least, economically stable Kosovo and hopefully the rest of Serbia. In my experience (witch is not that long actually) fed people are happy people and happy people are not deranged fanatics who sell other peoples organs on the black market.

So I hope that in the near future we would throw this silly ideas of Grand Albania and the Kingdom of Serbia and focus on the real problems witch real people have.

p.s. we also have the solution of nuking ourselves (Balkans) and spearing the rest of Europe headache but I do not support that one :D

(Agim Kelmendi, 17 January 2011 17:46)

“Money milked from mineral rich Kosova was sent to build new Belgrade.” Where are those minerals again? Or for that matter as Kosovo has been “independent” 12 years why isn’t it like Switzerland? Is there oxygen on your planet?


THANKS,
(KOSO, 17 January 2011

Now that you are disappointed, off to an Albanian media outlet to vent your frustration. Ohh! there isn’t one; is there?

(PRN, 17 January 2011 11:52)

Anyone studying psychology this guy would be a “gold” mine of material for a Phd. Rants at the touch of a button, even highlights his main point in upper case to get the message over as if he is shouting at his audience, but says very little of importance. As Thaci has your confidence enlightens us all with your knowledge.


Game over..
(Aussie of Sydney, 17 January 2011 11:27)

All that you have said makes sense and it’s true with an exception.

“And for the Serbs... you lost the right to govern the Albanians.. These people were throwned upon, treated like mud, disprespected.”

The talks between Pristina and Belgrade have the “blessing of the EU, but not the US’ (these days there is a lot of disagreement between these two entities over Kosovo). The talks are designed to allow free movement of people. Now if the Serbs treated the Kosovo Albanians so badly why are they looking for work in Serbia?

A relative recently returned from Serbia and said it was a daily occurrence for Albanians from Kosovo to cross the administrative border to look for work in Serbia. By the way these Albanian speak the Serbian language while they are looking for work. Once again I say what are they doing there if the Serbs treated them so badly?

"Now that the status issue is solved for them, they don't see any problem to work with Serbs in Serbia.
(icj1, 19 January 2011 05:13)"

well, as I just wrote it, some k-albanians here are just dreaming.

or do they really think that " the status-question is solved" ?

I am amused!

For your info:

Dick Marty refused to show up at a call of the European Parlement today or tomorrow.

The main question here is: WHY?

The Albanians/Illyriers know why? There is no evidence.

Serbs are only using this so-called this organ-trafficing to ease their mind/conscience for the crimes they commited.

Kosova AND all the Albanians/illyriers are the key players in the Balkans!

Tung
(FREEDOM, 17 January 2011 11:46)

The Serbs are just as guilty as your uncles and relatives who extracted organs from innocent people.. or just as guilty as your granfather who served for the SS Skanderberg in world War II

Mate life is a circle...

And if the Albanians were a major player.. then imagine what would they be if the Serbs had there way? one thing for sure.. the organ trade would have ended a whole lot sooner...

Judging by your rant, you lack a proper education.. that i blame the Serbs for..

"According to the link, the donor money accounts for 7.5% of the GDP. Not much. This does not mean that the economy is good, but cutting the donor money would not work. No much leverage there.
(KU, 17 January 2011 22:14) "

Thanks for the link - I didn't realize the figure was that low. Now that they're finally getting started on construction of the new power plant maybe they'll have better luck getting some direct investments.

The talks between Pristina and Belgrade have the “blessing of the EU, but not the US’ (these days there is a lot of disagreement between these two entities over Kosovo). The talks are designed to allow free movement of people. Now if the Serbs treated the Kosovo Albanians so badly why are they looking for work in Serbia?

A relative recently returned from Serbia and said it was a daily occurrence for Albanians from Kosovo to cross the administrative border to look for work in Serbia. By the way these Albanian speak the Serbian language while they are looking for work. Once again I say what are they doing there if the Serbs treated them so badly?
(sj, 18 January 2011 03:29)
I am impressed with your sources a "relative" this time.
You are a first once again, no one has released the information that these talks were designed for Albanians to freely cross into Serbia to look for work. Not even the Serbia govt has released that as one of their agendas, and we all thought it was going to start with imple things like missing persons.
In answer to your question, the need to feed ones family has caused many an individual to resort to desperate actions.
One could ask why would someone take a job cleaning and maintaining sewer systems, certainly that was not an optimal choice but it is a job.
So you failed to make a point.

Nema Predaje
(Nikola, 17 January 2011 17:40)

I was really looking forward to "we are stronger than you as a people". got disappointed this time. Don't forget it next time please :).

Albanians do not want to live with Serbs and want a separate Kosovo, but are happy to wonder around Serbia looking for work. Don’t you strike this as odd? Hmmm??? You hate Serbs but are willing to work for them????
Don’t you find something weird about this scenario?
(sj, 18 January 2011 20:49)

Why not ? What's the problem with that... Albanians, as most of the other nations around the world (from the Chinese to the Americans) see the pragmatic side, and don't live with dreams about mediaval battles and dogma like that (otherwise you end up like Albania after WWII or Serbia under Milosevic in the '90s). Now that the status issue is solved for them, they don't see any problem to work with Serbs in Serbia.

So bearing all this in mind, what exactly did Serbia not offer Albanians that the others got?
(peggy, 17 January 2011 21:33)

Well, the Albanians in Kosovo thought that it was not sufficient... It was Serbia's job to convince them that they had enough. But Serbia failed with that.

For analogy, president Boris can say all he wants that Serbs are living much better than under Kostunica. Even if it were true, if the majority of Serbs is not convinced, Boris is going to be voted out of office.

If Thaci's going to sue, then why not do it already?"

Dick Marty came out and said, I have immunity as CoE rapporteur, sue me all you want. So it should be handled differently since he refuses to face justice. Both sides know that this is a lie so Dick should not be surprised at all.

"So the EU could simply stop all the donor money flowing Kosovo is heavily depending on."
(Top, 17 January 2011 14:14)

Let's try again, hope this time this gets through some heads :): there is no donor money on which Kosovo is *heavily* depending on. Here:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/kv.html

According to the link, the donor money accounts for 7.5% of the GDP. Not much. This does not mean that the economy is good, but cutting the donor money would not work. No much leverage there.

I totally agree about natural albania, which inludes Kosova. But, I disegree with money sent Kosova during Tito's era. It was the other way around. Money milked from mineral rich Kosova was sent to build new Belgrade.
Unless you actually lived in Kosova during those years, you would not know the truth, otherwise you will not be writting lies.
(Agim Kelmendi, 17 January 2011 17:46)

Yes indeed.. But the money given by the central government went to the government sector BTW Yugoslavia borrowed money hence when the yugos couldn't pay back the loan they went to war to cover up their economic policies. Now debt collector came to collect.

Kate as for education, I know 2 languages + 3 computing languages.. And since when is it wrong to have a opinion? Obviously your parents were educated by the bratsvo I edintsvo system and no other policy allowed.. U should concentrate on rep srpska.. Forget the former ottoman vilayet of Kosovo..

I totally agree about natural albania, which inludes Kosova. But, I disegree with money sent Kosova during Tito's era. It was the other way around. Money milked from mineral rich Kosova was sent to build new Belgrade.
Unless you actually lived in Kosova during those years, you would not know the truth, otherwise you will not be writting lies.
(Agim Kelmendi, 17 January 2011 17:46)

What are you talking man? You dont remember that for years you were not paying VAT on goods bought in Kosovo! Or you went to US long time ago, dont remember anymore?

If Thaci's going to sue, then why not do it already?
(John, 17 January 2011 20:59)

You're dreaming john. I have video proof of MUP buying confessions out of a regular people. I would have gave a false statement for 50,000 EUR.

What about the Muriqi brothers in Peja...alive and well.

What about the 2 Kosovar minority captured by UCK which were released and are alive and well in BG?

All these accusations are Bg sponsored lies and frankly everyone is sick and tired of Bg pushing its lies. Your time will come.

"According to the link, the donor money accounts for 7.5% of the GDP."(KU, 17 January 2011 22:14)

Thanks for the link with some new data. I had some older ones, which said about 1/3 is donor money. So things must have improved in Kosovo.

L-education so to be your slave's forever-FORGET IT .We always knew serbian(yugo) politic's toward kosovo it was TAKE TAKE and only TAKE .WOW and money send to kosovars are you having a laugh?!

well, all those kids in here dreaming of "natural Albania" and "kosova" left aside, there can be no bargain about serbian territory.

so, there is nothing to be "won" by Serbia, not even any kind of western " concessions ", since it is serbian territory, anyway.

so do not fool yourselves by thinking that any " change of mood " could soften the serbian will to defend what is serbian. the bottomline is: there are no presents for the k-albanians.

600 years of ottoman occupation didn´t pass along without consequences - our resolve is stronger.

and everything will come to it´s end, ...it´s just a question of time.

Serbia will prevail.

Sorry to break your hearts, but once again, here is another situation that Serbia believes is a "game changer". I dont think so, not yesterday, not today and not tomorrow. Basically this is all just a show for the Serbian politicans to show the serbian "people" that they tried everything to win Kosova back. How many times has there been a "breaking story" about Kosova? A million!

Relax people...youre forgetting that just this month Kosovas independence was recognized by another country. Nothing has changed on the ground. Kosovars control the borders, government, and their destiny while Serbia is still playing "this is our last hope" strategy with every little grain of "story" that may help them. Just like Serbia lost and left Kosova defeated, they too will lose again with this new round of games.

(pss, 18 January 2011 17:19)

My mother returned after visiting relatives in Serbia, so I hope that meets with your approval?
Unimpeded travel is on the agenda. The exact timing to be discussed depends on how the initial talks go.
I am not critising people for working terrible jobs to feed their family. My parents were in those same situation many years ago so I know what it’s like.
You have missed my point but here it is again.
Albanians do not want to live with Serbs and want a separate Kosovo, but are happy to wonder around Serbia looking for work. Don’t you strike this as odd? Hmmm??? You hate Serbs but are willing to work for them????
Don’t you find something weird about this scenario?

My mother returned after visiting relatives in Serbia, so I hope that meets with your approval?
Unimpeded travel is on the agenda. The exact timing to be discussed depends on how the initial talks go.
I am not critising people for working terrible jobs to feed their family. My parents were in those same situation many years ago so I know what it’s like.
You have missed my point but here it is again.
Albanians do not want to live with Serbs and want a separate Kosovo, but are happy to wonder around Serbia looking for work. Don’t you strike this as odd? Hmmm??? You hate Serbs but are willing to work for them????
Don’t you find something weird about this scenario?
(sj, 18 January 2011 20:49)
Pristina has not formed their group or planned an agenda, Serbia says they have formed their unnamed group and their platform is a secret, so how can you say anything is on the "agenda"? The only safe subject anyone of importance has mentioned being talked about is missing persons.
My reference to your term of relatives as a source was only meant that is not what most would consider a reliable source to guage a situation, I meant no disrespect to you, your mother nor your relatives. I hope she had a nice visit by the way (this is meant sincerely).
Once I had to have my sewer pumped and while the guy was doing it I had my nose covered with a cloth because of the stench.
I asked him how he could tolerate doing this day after day? His response was "you get use to it, and it puts food on the table"
That statement has stuck with me for years and it points out 2 things:
1 A man will do what is necessary to provide for his family.
2 There is no dishonor in any honest profession as long as it is legal and ethical.
I have strived to teach my children that a man picking up garbage deserves the same respect as the president of a bank.

Serbia's campaign against Kosovo has done little to prevent its independence from Serbia but it has prolonged the stagnation of Kosovo. With such a high unemployment rate does it seem odd to me that some Albanians would want to work in Serbia as opposed to not work? no it does not.
Plus not all Albanians hate Serbs, nor do all Serbs hate Albanians. It just seems more so due to posters like you and others on here. Ironically most of the hatred seems to spew from those who have chosen to live outside of Serbia, which puzzles me greatly.
Maybe you could answer that question for me, Why when exposed to such true multicultural settings as Australia, UK, US etc is the hatred still so dominating?

or do they really think that " the status-question is solved" ?

I am amused!
(Jovan, 19 January 2011)

Yes we do really think that. The only way independence will be reversed is if Serbian tanks roll into Prishtina and even if that happens it will just be temporary occupation.

Oh and we are also amused with you and your chilidish belies that the status question is not solved.

my dear k-albanian friend Zoti...

your comment says much more about you than you´d probably like.

first of all, since when do you speak on behalf of all Albanians here? =)

well, perhaps it´s more the wish to pimp your own importance...

as for the amusement: do you believe that by repeating what I was saying about you, you would gain any authority here?

quite improbable, mate.


well, we will see who´ll be amused in the end!

I guess I do not have to tell you who will that be...

but, go on and believe what you wish to believe...
wishful thinking is not forbidden...
just like your illyrian phantasies! =)

ps: calling me childish was the best one! =)

For your info:

Dick Marty refused to show up at a call of the European Parlement today or tomorrow.

The main question here is: WHY?

The Albanians/Illyriers know why? There is no evidence.

Serbs are only using this so-called this organ-trafficing to ease their mind/conscience for the crimes they commited.

Kosova AND all the Albanians/illyriers are the key players in the Balkans!

Tung

EU,US "differences over Kosovo"

Be patient, there were always differences but they will be, as always, overcome. The important thing is that both, the US and practically ALL the EU recognize a fact, the KOSOVO INDEPENDENCE.

This is what counts, the rest is insignificant.

New week, and I await the new recognition.
Guess who is next! I know the name but I would spare it which also mean sparing some Serbian taxpayers money for an useless trip that would little Vuk undertake to convince the leader of the country to wait. IT IS NEVERTHELESS POINTLESS. DECISIONS have already been taken, only formal recognition is to be issued.

These reports remind me of the period leading up to the NATO bombing of the Milosevic led Yugoslavia... Constant media bombardments against Yugoslavia's policies towards Bosnia, kosovo ect... The media was a tool meant to convince the western public of the impeding war and official partition of Serbia..

Now we are reading reports about the evil Kosovo Albanians.. weakening their bargaining position on the table in order to justify a Partition of Kosovo just like that of Serbia's 12 years ago...

And to the Albanians... unfortunately you cant have all the cake to yourselves.. the Albanians have always been a minor player in the Balkans, if I were Albanian, I would be greatful for what is given regardless the difference when comparing to your maps of Greater Albania.. Your a child playing a mans games.. You can never compete on the level you dream of.. Killing old village men, policemen going home from a shift, young children playing by a pond and a busload of cemetry goers is all your might that you can muster...

And for the Serbs... you lost the right to govern the Albanians.. These people were throwned upon, treated like mud, disprespected.. you despise them.. I know your attitude well.. instead of educating these people, you drove them into parrellel universities dwelled in caves where students were taught in the faculty of hate by men that lost there jobs in Communist Yugoslavia.. It will never be possible for the Serbs to rule lands where Albanians are a majority... its just not cricket.. Serbias attempts at impereliasm have resulted in todays mess.

Having said all this, the end game is almost over.. Todays educated younger generation dont want war nor do they deserve it...

Yugoslavia is dead.. and Kosovo is the final piece of this this puzzle..

Both Serbs and Albanians have to bite there tongues and accept the reality... the land is owned by the people that live on hence where Albanians live they will live in a place where Albanians live and Serb will live in a place where the Serb rules

hence:

Northern Kosovo
Gracanica
Strpce
Novo Brdo
All to Serbia(And special regards to historical and religous monuments)

And the rest to Albania...

Game over..

Without USA today there wouldn't even be an Europe. So, who cares what Europe says.

"The BBC spoke to James Ker-Lindsay "

BBC Serbia found a Serb supporter. Here's a memo to you: Kosova has no reason to talk to Serbia at all, and there's not a damn thing EU can do about it. And Dick Marty will soon be exposed so this will boomerang

For your info:

Dick Marty refused to show up at a call of the European Parlement today or tomorrow.

The main question here is: WHY?

The Albanians/Illyriers know why? There is no evidence.

Serbs are only using this so-called this organ-trafficing to ease their mind/conscience for the crimes they commited.

Kosova AND all the Albanians/illyriers are the key players in the Balkans!

Tung
(FREEDOM, 17 January 2011 11:46)

The Serbs are just as guilty as your uncles and relatives who extracted organs from innocent people.. or just as guilty as your granfather who served for the SS Skanderberg in world War II

Mate life is a circle...

And if the Albanians were a major player.. then imagine what would they be if the Serbs had there way? one thing for sure.. the organ trade would have ended a whole lot sooner...

Judging by your rant, you lack a proper education.. that i blame the Serbs for..

Pointless drivel. B92 is trying really hard to keep all these lies alive but it's a no go; this is what happens when accusations are based on fabricated bg lies. If you don't believe me, haven't you noticed that this website keeps on posting an article about this every other day.

I've said it from day one, no talks, we first need a thorough investigation into the bg lies.

THANKS,

Some of these coments about Serbia not educating Albanians are interesting. What happened to all the money that Tito scraped from entire Former Yugo and gave to Kosovars. I guess education then was not important but all money was received and spent. Where? Hard to educate someone who only has natural Albania on its mind and nothing else.
(L, 17 January 2011 15:55)

I totally agree about natural albania, which inludes Kosova. But, I disegree with money sent Kosova during Tito's era. It was the other way around. Money milked from mineral rich Kosova was sent to build new Belgrade.
Unless you actually lived in Kosova during those years, you would not know the truth, otherwise you will not be writting lies.

They will either re-negotiate re-integration or they will end up like the The Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka with nothing to fight with after KFOR withdraws & the S. Stream is in place and Europe starts finally paying us for energy whether we join their corrupt union or not

The United States chose the Albanians as their surrogates because they were a usful tool in establishing a permanent cost free military presence in that part of Europe. The war against Serbia was the perfect pretext to oust the legal owners of that province, and do as they will. The same method was used in Iraq and Afghanistan. Everything else, so far as US planners were concerned, was by the by. The Europeans on the otherhand are beginning to seriously regret blindly backing the US and Britain over Kosovo. But the vast expenditure pumped into the territory, and the oft repeated and hugely exaggerated threats of violence by the Albanian mafia, have paralysed European policy. It's time for the Europeans to get tough, and emerge from America's shadow over Kosovo.

But Ker-Lindsay said that none were willing to publicly admit that the greatest danger posed to stability were in fact threats made by Kosovo's Albanians that they would "return to violence" unless given independence.
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Yes, that is exactly the point. The West is appeasing terrorists and criminal thugs by giving in to threats of violence. In so doing they have turned a blind eye to the heinous crimes committed by these people to Serbians, ethnic Albanians and others within the province.

The things is, Bush, Bliar, Clinton and other partners in crime are no different to Thaci. They are the worst kind of criminals.

I am also glad that an admission is made for evidence to be gathered through an investigation. So let the investigation begin because this isn't just about organ trafficking, it is much much bigger. We all know it, the internationals, Serbians and even those ethnic Albanians in denial. Long term peace has never been achieved by appeasing criminals and terrorists. It eventually blows up in ones face.

"And then what? Tell us what would happen next..."
(LP, 17 January 2011 15:26)

Without donor money, there's no corruption and money to gain, and Thaci and his buddies will move to Guinea Bissau and go back to their original 'business' (as reported by Marty), because they can make more money there - and one problem is solved.

Have fun ;-)

"Kosova has no reason to talk to Serbia at all, and there's not a damn thing EU can do about it
(LW, 17 January 2011 13:43)

I think the EU, UN, EULEX thinks different. The Kosovo politicians seems to have learned that lesson. And there's one simple thing the EU can do: It's even easier than usual: Kosovo has almost no economy, so an embargo wouldn't help. So the EU could simply stop all the donor money flowing Kosovo is heavily depending on.

Some of these coments about Serbia not educating Albanians are interesting. What happened to all the money that Tito scraped from entire Former Yugo and gave to Kosovars. I guess education then was not important but all money was received and spent. Where? Hard to educate someone who only has natural Albania on its mind and nothing else.

@ FREEDOM - You didn't even read the entire story about why Mr Marty is not showing up at the EP debate. Either that, or you are trying to turn it into some sort of black mark for him.

The report on B92, states (as you well know):

"The article adds that sources said Marty "obviously wanted to wait for his report to be adopted on January 25 in the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (which is not an EU body) where he will be supported by Russia and Serbia, and then appear before the EP in stronger position in February".

Dick Marty refused to show up at a call of the European Parlement today or tomorrow.

The main question here is: WHY?
(FREEDOM, 17 January 2011 11:46)

Easy to answer: He has no time in his schedule, after he was invited only last week. Furthermore, he wants to wait until the report is presented at the CoE first, on 25th of January. Simple and easy, no need to spin new fairy tales.

"Now that the status issue is solved for them, they don't see any problem to work with Serbs in Serbia.
(icj1, 19 January 2011 05:13)"

well, as I just wrote it, some k-albanians here are just dreaming.

or do they really think that " the status-question is solved" ?

I am amused!

@ Aussie of Sydney - While I don't support FREEDEM's stance, it's hardly fair to say "Judging by your rant, you lack a proper education.."

Your own posting is full of errors, so I wouldn't pull others up on it. FREEDOM obviously speaks at least 2 languages, how many do you speak?

Plus why would you blame Serbia for the poor education of any Albanian? You don't even know if he was schooled there.

You had your own rant earlier about handing over part of Kosovo to Albania. Unless you are Albanian yourself, that point of view shows a total lack of understanding.

PRN: "New week, and I await the new recognition.
Guess who is next! I know the name but I would spare it which also mean sparing some Serbian taxpayers money for an useless trip that would little Vuk undertake to convince the leader of the country to wait."

Phew! Lucky that you didn't spill the beans so Vuk spotted your inside information on B92 and flew off to the volcanic sinking island/ US 'nucular' test ground of Boshyboshybashunko (pop. 12).

Wish we all had your inside info!!

For your info:

Dick Marty refused to show up at a call of the European Parlement today or tomorrow.

The main question here is: WHY?

The Albanians/Illyriers know why? There is no evidence.

Serbs are only using this so-called this organ-trafficing to ease their mind/conscience for the crimes they commited.

Kosova AND all the Albanians/illyriers are the key players in the Balkans!

Tung
(FREEDOM, 17 January 2011 11:46) he is going to euro first and second you have none of this so called ilyrian blood i proved on this site a hundred times so keep dreaming your dream . and it looks like Europe are sick of your crying and your lies enjoy the show.

I totally agree about natural albania, which inludes Kosova. But, I disegree with money sent Kosova during Tito's era. It was the other way around. Money milked from mineral rich Kosova was sent to build new Belgrade.
Unless you actually lived in Kosova during those years, you would not know the truth, otherwise you will not be writting lies.
(Agim Kelmendi, 17 January 2011 17:46)

Yes indeed.. But the money given by the central government went to the government sector BTW Yugoslavia borrowed money hence when the yugos couldn't pay back the loan they went to war to cover up their economic policies. Now debt collector came to collect.

Kate as for education, I know 2 languages + 3 computing languages.. And since when is it wrong to have a opinion? Obviously your parents were educated by the bratsvo I edintsvo system and no other policy allowed.. U should concentrate on rep srpska.. Forget the former ottoman vilayet of Kosovo..

Wait so now Serbia gained concessions because of this report, meaning Northern Kosovo can stay Serbian?

AHAHAHAHA, this is typical Western media. Playing mind tricks on you. As if all of Northern Kosovo is not completely integrated with the rest of Serbia. That somehow, Serbia would be gaining something by the EU ALLOWING Serbia to keep that land.

In reality, Northern Mitrovica and the surrounding areas are impossible to integrate with Pristina. That is just ludacris to even think could happen.

The only concession Serbia needs to gain is once again to rule over all of Kosovo. Times have changed. But I would rather see that happen peacefully. However if the K.Albanians want war again then this time they will lose.

They were lucky enough to score intervention help from the strongest alliance in the world in a window of history where they were the sole heirs to the worlds throne. Things have defiantly changed now though.

As soon as Belgrade is stop being governed by Europhile puppets that are in power, the one step closer this retard child known as "Kosova" is finally put down to sleep.

Theres still a long way to go. And we only lose if WE agree to losing. This article clearly states that not even K.Albs backers are in unison anymore. All of Kosovo is ours never agree to partition.

Nema Predaje

Please do not paint Britain with the same brush as the US. Any perceived support for US is only at the governmental level and I am sure that given the chance of a referendum, which I stress we were never given the chance of, the majority of UK public would want to distance themselves from the policies adopted by the US.

If Thaci's going to sue, then why not do it already?
(John, 17 January 2011 20:59)

You're dreaming john. I have video proof of MUP buying confessions out of a regular people. I would have gave a false statement for 50,000 EUR.

What about the Muriqi brothers in Peja...alive and well.

What about the 2 Kosovar minority captured by UCK which were released and are alive and well in BG?

All these accusations are Bg sponsored lies and frankly everyone is sick and tired of Bg pushing its lies. Your time will come.

p.s. we also have the solution of nuking ourselves (Balkans) and spearing the rest of Europe headache but I do not support that one :D
(Vuk Mujovic, 17 January 2011 22:23)

Your comment is well taken, but at the end of the day you still claim Kosova as yours, which is NOT.

For my part I do enjoy reading sensible pro-Serb or pro-Albanian comments on this forum. What I find tedious is anonymous arm chair commentators like PRN spouting their mindless nonsense. Instead of tiresome provocation that would embarrass a 12 year old, try something more thought provoking. A suggestion to improve your shambles of an economy, and a way of dealing with your rampant crime, corruption and primitive clan culture would be a start. Still I suppose every gathering needs someone to entertain them. When all is said and done though do you really think the battle over recognitions is having any discernable effect on the day to day lives of ordinary people on the street. Some people may obssess over the ridiculous concept of natural/greater albania, but I think you'll find the rest of us live in the 21st Century not the middle ages.

"Kosovo has almost no economy, so an embargo wouldn't help. So the EU could simply stop all the donor money flowing Kosovo is heavily depending on"

And then what? Tell us what would happen next...

Nema Predaje
(Nikola, 17 January 2011 17:40)

I was really looking forward to "we are stronger than you as a people". got disappointed this time. Don't forget it next time please :).

or do they really think that " the status-question is solved" ?

I am amused!
(Jovan, 19 January 2011)

Yes we do really think that. The only way independence will be reversed is if Serbian tanks roll into Prishtina and even if that happens it will just be temporary occupation.

Oh and we are also amused with you and your chilidish belies that the status question is not solved.

(pss, 18 January 2011 17:19)

My mother returned after visiting relatives in Serbia, so I hope that meets with your approval?
Unimpeded travel is on the agenda. The exact timing to be discussed depends on how the initial talks go.
I am not critising people for working terrible jobs to feed their family. My parents were in those same situation many years ago so I know what it’s like.
You have missed my point but here it is again.
Albanians do not want to live with Serbs and want a separate Kosovo, but are happy to wonder around Serbia looking for work. Don’t you strike this as odd? Hmmm??? You hate Serbs but are willing to work for them????
Don’t you find something weird about this scenario?

totally agree about natural albania, which inludes Kosova. But, I disegree with money sent Kosova during Tito's era. It was the other way around. (Agim Kelmendi, 17 January 2011 17:46)

You might want to take a course in Economics on balance of trade and payments.

"So the EU could simply stop all the donor money flowing Kosovo is heavily depending on."
(Top, 17 January 2011 14:14)

Let's try again, hope this time this gets through some heads :): there is no donor money on which Kosovo is *heavily* depending on. Here:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/kv.html

According to the link, the donor money accounts for 7.5% of the GDP. Not much. This does not mean that the economy is good, but cutting the donor money would not work. No much leverage there.

If Thaci's going to sue, then why not do it already?"

Dick Marty came out and said, I have immunity as CoE rapporteur, sue me all you want. So it should be handled differently since he refuses to face justice. Both sides know that this is a lie so Dick should not be surprised at all.

So bearing all this in mind, what exactly did Serbia not offer Albanians that the others got?
(peggy, 17 January 2011 21:33)

Well, the Albanians in Kosovo thought that it was not sufficient... It was Serbia's job to convince them that they had enough. But Serbia failed with that.

For analogy, president Boris can say all he wants that Serbs are living much better than under Kostunica. Even if it were true, if the majority of Serbs is not convinced, Boris is going to be voted out of office.

Marty will present evidence where and when he wants. Do Albanians really think that the Swiss senator fabricated the organ-harvesting story? All in due time, folks, and the criminals will be where they belong.

Tongue

oh nooo.. your criminal pseudo-state is collapsing... Your friend is in so much debt, he can't help you anymore. Get ready for the 4th biggest betrayal in american history. FYI, the biggest betrayal was Cambodia, then Iran and Nicaragua. I think your betrayal will slide to 6th soon when america runs away from Iraq and Afghanistan. BTW, when some academic from the uk tells Serbia to keep quiet, you know the uk government is trying to cover up, so Vuk, keep talking.

OK , first to explain my position: I'm a Serb from Belgrade , middle class , student (political science), center orientated... that said I have no emotional baggage about Kosovo.

The main problem in Kosovo (and Serbia as a whole) is the lack of proper guidance where people are too much oriented towards the problem of "who's land is it" rather than talking about real economic and social problems and their solutions.

So we (they) would start from a clean (and legally stable) slate the first thing done should be the return and restitution of all who were exiled in the last 23 years. With the population we would need infrastructure at least in the economic centers. Good connections (via road , rail , river and air) with Montenegro , Albania , Macedonia and the rest of Serbia are mandatory if we would want the economy on it's feet. Judiciary maybe is expensive and the money scarce but this would be overcome by creating a mix Serb-Albanian-EULEX judiciary system witch would make mistakes rare and corruption really expensive. 49% of the mining companies (shares) should be given to the (former) workers and 51% to the local governments witch would then sell them to a strategic partner... with the money gained that way we should start making development loans to the public.

Going this way (it is a long and troublesome road) we would have an , at least, economically stable Kosovo and hopefully the rest of Serbia. In my experience (witch is not that long actually) fed people are happy people and happy people are not deranged fanatics who sell other peoples organs on the black market.

So I hope that in the near future we would throw this silly ideas of Grand Albania and the Kingdom of Serbia and focus on the real problems witch real people have.

p.s. we also have the solution of nuking ourselves (Balkans) and spearing the rest of Europe headache but I do not support that one :D

"According to the link, the donor money accounts for 7.5% of the GDP. Not much. This does not mean that the economy is good, but cutting the donor money would not work. No much leverage there.
(KU, 17 January 2011 22:14) "

Thanks for the link - I didn't realize the figure was that low. Now that they're finally getting started on construction of the new power plant maybe they'll have better luck getting some direct investments.

well, all those kids in here dreaming of "natural Albania" and "kosova" left aside, there can be no bargain about serbian territory.

so, there is nothing to be "won" by Serbia, not even any kind of western " concessions ", since it is serbian territory, anyway.

so do not fool yourselves by thinking that any " change of mood " could soften the serbian will to defend what is serbian. the bottomline is: there are no presents for the k-albanians.

600 years of ottoman occupation didn´t pass along without consequences - our resolve is stronger.

and everything will come to it´s end, ...it´s just a question of time.

Serbia will prevail.

"But, I disegree with money sent Kosova during Tito's era. It was the other way around. Money milked from mineral rich Kosova was sent to build new Belgrade. "
(Agim Kelmendi, 17 January 2011 17:46)

Kosovo has always been the poorest region in YU. May it be caused by political decisions, or because of the mentality of the inhabitants, I don't know. It's the same with south Italy, where Mafia is operating. If Kosovo is really so 'rich', then why are these resources not exploited? Minerals? The lignite? Why no power plant to at least provide a 24h period for electric power?

Judging by your rant, you lack a proper education.. that i blame the Serbs for..
(Aussie of Sydney, 17 January 2011 12:09)
=======================

Aussie, sorry Albanian of Sydney, you know the old saying:

You can lead the horse to water........

One can only offer free education but cannot force someone to accept it.
Schools in Kosovo were not segregated. The education the others got is the same as the education offered to Albanians. Actually, Albanians got a little more. They were offered to study in their own language. Can you say the same about any university in Sydney?

So bearing all this in mind, what exactly did Serbia not offer Albanians that the others got?

Pointless drivel. B92 is trying really hard to keep all these lies alive but it's a no go; this is what happens when accusations are based on fabricated bg lies. If you don't believe me, haven't you noticed that this website keeps on posting an article about this every other day.

I've said it from day one, no talks, we first need a thorough investigation into the bg lies.

THANKS,
(KOSO, 17 January 2011 15:41)

Fortunetly, the Organ Theft has been proven (although they havent proven that it was Thaci yet, the War crimes prosecutors know however, that there was someone above Hardinaj), dozens of witness statements (including those from Albanians), overwhelming evidence found at the scene + Thaci himself admitted that Organ Trafficking did take place (He didn't of course, admit that he was involved).

The Albanian/Kosovo-Albanian Governments simply denied that organ trafficking took place because they knew that, while the world would see right through Thaci, the Albanian population would believe it, and then only because they want to believe it, theres too much to lose.

Fortunetly, its too late, and the world has seen the KLA for what it really is, Not Freedom fighters, But Monstrous Organ Stealing Terrorists (even Hitler couldnt top that) And any credibility Kosovo had is in tatters.

If Thaci's going to sue, then why not do it already?

Without USA today there wouldn't even be an Europe. So, who cares what Europe says.
(ivan, 17 January 2011 17:10)

Wasn’t Christopher Columbus native American who discovered Europe? lol...

(Agim Kelmendi, 17 January 2011 17:46)

“Money milked from mineral rich Kosova was sent to build new Belgrade.” Where are those minerals again? Or for that matter as Kosovo has been “independent” 12 years why isn’t it like Switzerland? Is there oxygen on your planet?


THANKS,
(KOSO, 17 January 2011

Now that you are disappointed, off to an Albanian media outlet to vent your frustration. Ohh! there isn’t one; is there?

(PRN, 17 January 2011 11:52)

Anyone studying psychology this guy would be a “gold” mine of material for a Phd. Rants at the touch of a button, even highlights his main point in upper case to get the message over as if he is shouting at his audience, but says very little of importance. As Thaci has your confidence enlightens us all with your knowledge.


Game over..
(Aussie of Sydney, 17 January 2011 11:27)

All that you have said makes sense and it’s true with an exception.

“And for the Serbs... you lost the right to govern the Albanians.. These people were throwned upon, treated like mud, disprespected.”

The talks between Pristina and Belgrade have the “blessing of the EU, but not the US’ (these days there is a lot of disagreement between these two entities over Kosovo). The talks are designed to allow free movement of people. Now if the Serbs treated the Kosovo Albanians so badly why are they looking for work in Serbia?

A relative recently returned from Serbia and said it was a daily occurrence for Albanians from Kosovo to cross the administrative border to look for work in Serbia. By the way these Albanian speak the Serbian language while they are looking for work. Once again I say what are they doing there if the Serbs treated them so badly?

I totally agree about natural albania, which inludes Kosova. But, I disegree with money sent Kosova during Tito's era. It was the other way around. Money milked from mineral rich Kosova was sent to build new Belgrade.
Unless you actually lived in Kosova during those years, you would not know the truth, otherwise you will not be writting lies.
(Agim Kelmendi, 17 January 2011 17:46)

What are you talking man? You dont remember that for years you were not paying VAT on goods bought in Kosovo! Or you went to US long time ago, dont remember anymore?

"According to the link, the donor money accounts for 7.5% of the GDP."(KU, 17 January 2011 22:14)

Thanks for the link with some new data. I had some older ones, which said about 1/3 is donor money. So things must have improved in Kosovo.

L-education so to be your slave's forever-FORGET IT .We always knew serbian(yugo) politic's toward kosovo it was TAKE TAKE and only TAKE .WOW and money send to kosovars are you having a laugh?!

Sorry to break your hearts, but once again, here is another situation that Serbia believes is a "game changer". I dont think so, not yesterday, not today and not tomorrow. Basically this is all just a show for the Serbian politicans to show the serbian "people" that they tried everything to win Kosova back. How many times has there been a "breaking story" about Kosova? A million!

Relax people...youre forgetting that just this month Kosovas independence was recognized by another country. Nothing has changed on the ground. Kosovars control the borders, government, and their destiny while Serbia is still playing "this is our last hope" strategy with every little grain of "story" that may help them. Just like Serbia lost and left Kosova defeated, they too will lose again with this new round of games.

Without USA today there wouldn't even be an Europe. So, who cares what Europe says.
(ivan, 17 January 2011, 17:10)
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If only we wouldn't have sent all the loonies, outcasts and nutcases there...

The talks between Pristina and Belgrade have the “blessing of the EU, but not the US’ (these days there is a lot of disagreement between these two entities over Kosovo). The talks are designed to allow free movement of people. Now if the Serbs treated the Kosovo Albanians so badly why are they looking for work in Serbia?

A relative recently returned from Serbia and said it was a daily occurrence for Albanians from Kosovo to cross the administrative border to look for work in Serbia. By the way these Albanian speak the Serbian language while they are looking for work. Once again I say what are they doing there if the Serbs treated them so badly?
(sj, 18 January 2011 03:29)
I am impressed with your sources a "relative" this time.
You are a first once again, no one has released the information that these talks were designed for Albanians to freely cross into Serbia to look for work. Not even the Serbia govt has released that as one of their agendas, and we all thought it was going to start with imple things like missing persons.
In answer to your question, the need to feed ones family has caused many an individual to resort to desperate actions.
One could ask why would someone take a job cleaning and maintaining sewer systems, certainly that was not an optimal choice but it is a job.
So you failed to make a point.

Albanians do not want to live with Serbs and want a separate Kosovo, but are happy to wonder around Serbia looking for work. Don’t you strike this as odd? Hmmm??? You hate Serbs but are willing to work for them????
Don’t you find something weird about this scenario?
(sj, 18 January 2011 20:49)

Why not ? What's the problem with that... Albanians, as most of the other nations around the world (from the Chinese to the Americans) see the pragmatic side, and don't live with dreams about mediaval battles and dogma like that (otherwise you end up like Albania after WWII or Serbia under Milosevic in the '90s). Now that the status issue is solved for them, they don't see any problem to work with Serbs in Serbia.

My mother returned after visiting relatives in Serbia, so I hope that meets with your approval?
Unimpeded travel is on the agenda. The exact timing to be discussed depends on how the initial talks go.
I am not critising people for working terrible jobs to feed their family. My parents were in those same situation many years ago so I know what it’s like.
You have missed my point but here it is again.
Albanians do not want to live with Serbs and want a separate Kosovo, but are happy to wonder around Serbia looking for work. Don’t you strike this as odd? Hmmm??? You hate Serbs but are willing to work for them????
Don’t you find something weird about this scenario?
(sj, 18 January 2011 20:49)
Pristina has not formed their group or planned an agenda, Serbia says they have formed their unnamed group and their platform is a secret, so how can you say anything is on the "agenda"? The only safe subject anyone of importance has mentioned being talked about is missing persons.
My reference to your term of relatives as a source was only meant that is not what most would consider a reliable source to guage a situation, I meant no disrespect to you, your mother nor your relatives. I hope she had a nice visit by the way (this is meant sincerely).
Once I had to have my sewer pumped and while the guy was doing it I had my nose covered with a cloth because of the stench.
I asked him how he could tolerate doing this day after day? His response was "you get use to it, and it puts food on the table"
That statement has stuck with me for years and it points out 2 things:
1 A man will do what is necessary to provide for his family.
2 There is no dishonor in any honest profession as long as it is legal and ethical.
I have strived to teach my children that a man picking up garbage deserves the same respect as the president of a bank.

Serbia's campaign against Kosovo has done little to prevent its independence from Serbia but it has prolonged the stagnation of Kosovo. With such a high unemployment rate does it seem odd to me that some Albanians would want to work in Serbia as opposed to not work? no it does not.
Plus not all Albanians hate Serbs, nor do all Serbs hate Albanians. It just seems more so due to posters like you and others on here. Ironically most of the hatred seems to spew from those who have chosen to live outside of Serbia, which puzzles me greatly.
Maybe you could answer that question for me, Why when exposed to such true multicultural settings as Australia, UK, US etc is the hatred still so dominating?

my dear k-albanian friend Zoti...

your comment says much more about you than you´d probably like.

first of all, since when do you speak on behalf of all Albanians here? =)

well, perhaps it´s more the wish to pimp your own importance...

as for the amusement: do you believe that by repeating what I was saying about you, you would gain any authority here?

quite improbable, mate.


well, we will see who´ll be amused in the end!

I guess I do not have to tell you who will that be...

but, go on and believe what you wish to believe...
wishful thinking is not forbidden...
just like your illyrian phantasies! =)

ps: calling me childish was the best one! =)