I thought pride is a sin in christianity, judging serbs are hardcore christians who protect europe from infedels... why would i be proud wether Kosovo is listed as a country anyway...plus 110 is not a bad score , there are 192 countries in total, so , contrary to what serbs say, Kosovo is not the most corrupt country in the world...thank you for posting the rank anyway, 78? not bad, but i thought Serbia was an example state in the region,so 78 is not that good...if Kosovo is such a corrupt country, why waste effort, money and time to incorporate it under ''perfect 78 ranking '' serbian state?
Swisscerland scoring 10th? Still it is 10th positions, which means that it is not the least corrupt country in the world... if swiss administration is more corrupt than 9 countries, then Dick Marty is not that uncorruptable as a swiss would normally be....
ouch, the door just hit on the way out with this comment. So why are you accusing Thaci then?
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I was responding to a comment made by your lot about Serbian war criminals being in government.
I want to know who. Who is this person and what have they done?
Now stop diverting and please answer that question. Your lot made the statement and all I am doing is holding them to it and making them justify it.
''P.S:
- Somalia, one of the countries which recognized Kosovo lately, is on #178 - proud last position, must have been an easy job for Pacolli.
- Guinea Bissau is #154, sharing a position with Russia, for all the russophiles here :)
- surprisingly, Swaziland on #91 is even ahead of Kosovo.
- For all the Illyrian fans of Marty: Switzerland is in the Top 10, on #8.
(Top, 16 January 2011 11:07) ''
i did not want to imply anything, i m not blind, Albania is a corrupt country by western standarts, but so are most of eastern european countries, still, it is not the same thing, berlusconi, who is one of the richest european persons, being involved in curruption is about more money than we can imagine ...I m just saying that we Albanians, we can not afford this whole corruption anymore, enough is enough. I m not saying''see , italians are corrupt, so it is ok for us to be corrupt as well '' No. Read my post again please.
What has the reckognition have to with corruption, we can not just say to somalians that we can not appriceate their recgognitions because they are the most corrupt country on earth, what do we care anyway about corruption in somalia, there is UN and other international missions for that issue...Corrupt or not , it is one vote in the UN, and that is what we mind about...
very fuuny article.Anamerican politician talking about the need for clean honorable politicians.You mean like holbrook albright,biden,clinton,rubin.God bless Kosmet
What particular crimes are you accusing him of? Lots of people were with Milosevic. It doesn't mean they committed any crimes. Heck, even Milosevic was bumped off because they couldn't prove a thing.
(Peggy, 16 January 2011 01:11)
ouch, the door just hit on the way out with this comment. So why are you accusing Thaci then? I can garanty you that he has never been to that so called yellow house and has no clue where is located, and yet you guys are saying Thaci did it. wow,wow,wow
Face the real world, for the next 4 years you guys have to talk to thaci about good neihgborly relation, and no one else.
"actually Italy is far more corrupted than all balkan countries piled together..."
(iliri, 16 January 2011 04:19)
Maybe get a bit of information first and post facts instead of some personal impressions: Simply search for corruption index of Transparancy International.
So?? A little hint for undestanding: A smaller means less corrupt! Or do you consider Transparancy International as an 'anti independency network' member, too?. And please, don't be proud that Kosovo is listed as a country there :)
P.S:
- Somalia, one of the countries which recognized Kosovo lately, is on #178 - proud last position, must have been an easy job for Pacolli.
- Guinea Bissau is #154, sharing a position with Russia, for all the russophiles here :)
- surprisingly, Swaziland on #91 is even ahead of Kosovo.
- For all the Illyrian fans of Marty: Switzerland is in the Top 10, on #8.
"As Feith said, democracy is a learning process. Castigating a people for not getting it right the first time is about as far as deriding a baby for crawling before it can walk."
(Amer, 15 January 2011 18:49)
Democracy might be a learning process, but if you Kosovo guys really need to learn how to do an election, it's scary!
"Don't know where you got that the US is part of the "anti independence Network", his comments are geared to how to achieve a successful and non tainted govt. I don't think he is saying lets put them back in Serbia..."
(pss, 15 January 2011 22:13)
Exactly, Dell wants a Kosovo government without corrupt and criminal persons. Similar to Marty, who simply wants investigation for some alleged criminal group and its leaders in Kosovo. But for Thaci, all people who say anything against him are 'anti-albanian', 'racists' or belong to the 'anti-independence network'. So, excuse my little joke, good luck for getting rid of Thaci, pss!
"Is funny to see Serbians comments. All countries that recognise Kosova sudenly becames drog producers, partners in crime, and wors contries in this word."
(GjonFusha, 15 January 2011 19:46)
No, not all countries, only the latest ones from 2010/2011 in Africa (Djibouti, Guinea Bissau, Swaziland, Somalia). The other ones were mainly tropical islands, totally irrelevant. I can see only Qatar as a more or less normal country that recognized Kosovo lately.
Every single Balkan country needs clean officials...from Greece to Romania, from Albania to Croatia...actually Italy is far more corrupted than all balkan countries piled together...but the difference is that Italy has a strong economy, unlike balkan countries, and can eventually afford all the corruption, but post communist countries simply can not...it is like a family having a son with gambling addiction, a very rich one can support him, but a medium or poor one can not... Pop quiz: Find 7% of 10 000 000 ?
Unlike your politicans, our politicans dosen't have blood on their hand. How many albanians and how many serbs have been detained and convicted by international courts ? It's like 999 % serbs and maybee 1 % albanians. Our leaders and warriors haven't been convicted by any court for any criminal action. They are innocent until they are proven guilty. So Serbia have many criminals wich have been convicted while Kosovo had only one.
(Demi, 15 January 2011 14:59)
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999%, that many????
OK, now do tell us the name of at least one Serbian politician who has blood on his hands. Which minister is he or is he perhaps Tadic? Who have the Serbs elected to parliament who is guilty of murder?
Yes, Serbs have been sent to Hague and some have died there and some were convicted but NONE have been elected to any position in the government. The ones there are not even accused of anything so do stop smoking what ever it is you are smoking.
Now let's examine what is governing your lot. Perhaps we better not. Right now we might only refer to him as Lord V.
Ivica Dacic was Milosevic's man. Instead of him being in the Hague, he's a minister in Serbian government.
(ivan, 15 January 2011 22:36)
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What particular crimes are you accusing him of? Lots of people were with Milosevic. It doesn't mean they committed any crimes. Heck, even Milosevic was bumped off because they couldn't prove a thing.
Don't know where you got that the US is part of the "anti independence Network", his comments are geared to how to achieve a successful and non tainted govt. I don't think he is saying lets put them back in Serbia as I doubt anyone considers Serbia a corruption free country by any means.
(pss, 15 January 2011 22:13)
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Are you missing the point on purpose or this one just didn't make sense to you this time?
What Top is saying is that anyone who is critical of Thaci and thinks they should back off is automatically considered anti independence as far as Albanians are concerned.
We all know that various people are only critical of the players not anti independence but that's how your lot twists it. Now let's see if they are going to say the same thing about Dell. If not why not Dell but all the others?
Fancy coming out with this statement. After 12 years we have the representative of the United State of Windbags stating his country wants a clean government. What Thaci not clean enough for that cockroach of a country? Didn’t he do their bidding for the last 12 years?
I said it many times that the US was roasting on a spit over this organ trafficking issue and here is you proof. It wants to cleanse itself of any wrong doing and blame it on someone else. What an ally; it does not even stand up for its “friends”. From the likes of Lincoln to this scumbag lot – what a fall from grace!
You can see that the US lives in Disney’s dreamland where it thinks its reputation is intact and tinker bell will throw some pixy dust and all bad will go away.
Everybody can see it now: Even the USA is part of the 'anti-independence network'. Will Thaci dare to insult Dell, too? No, it looks more and more like the times of Thaci & similar characters are over. Not even the USA is willing any more to tolerate a corrupt and criminal government in Kosovo. These words and hints by ambassador Dell were as subtle as a sledgehammer! My bet is: 98% sure that Thaci won't be neither prime minister nor president.
(Top, 15 January 2011 19:27)
Don't know where you got that the US is part of the "anti independence Network", his comments are geared to how to achieve a successful and non tainted govt. I don't think he is saying lets put them back in Serbia as I doubt anyone considers Serbia a corruption free country by any means.
I suggest that Kosovo be turned into a second European Disneyland with Mickey Mouse as the chosen leader of all the peoples of Kosovo.No snakes allowed!
"Wow, Dell, guilty until proven innocent. You gotta love the Americans, and the rules they set for foreign administrations."
(IUPM, 15 January 2011 14:18)
Sorry, that's how it should be done, and IS done in normal, democratic countries: Politicians which are accused or under investigation put their job on halt until they either been proven innocent, and they return, or found guilty and they go to jail (or whatever punishment) and don't return.
Back to topic:
Everybody can see it now: Even the USA is part of the 'anti-independence network'. Will Thaci dare to insult Dell, too? No, it looks more and more like the times of Thaci & similar characters are over. Not even the USA is willing any more to tolerate a corrupt and criminal government in Kosovo. These words and hints by ambassador Dell were as subtle as a sledgehammer! My bet is: 98% sure that Thaci won't be neither prime minister nor president.
Is funny to see Serbians comments. All countries that recognise Kosova sudenly becames drog producers, partners in crime, and wors contries in this word. Any criticism against Kosova government becomes as crime infested place.
"Wow, Dell, guilty until proven innocent. You gotta love the Americans, and the rules they set for foreign administrations."
(IUPM, 15 January 2011 14:18)
Sorry, that's how it should be done, and IS done in normal, democratic countries: Politicians which are accused or under investigation put their job on halt until they either been proven innocent, and they return, or found guilty and they go to jail (or whatever punishment) and don't return.
Back to topic:
Everybody can see it now: Even the USA is part of the 'anti-independence network'. Will Thaci dare to insult Dell, too? No, it looks more and more like the times of Thaci & similar characters are over. Not even the USA is willing any more to tolerate a corrupt and criminal government in Kosovo. These words and hints by ambassador Dell were as subtle as a sledgehammer! My bet is: 98% sure that Thaci won't be neither prime minister nor president.
waooo, another bought by the serbo-russian propaganda machine, that really start making a lot... will also check his bank account in Switzerland and keep you informed.
Coming from Dell, these words should be taken seriously, uncle Sam is getting tired and is affraid of unpredictable consequences.
Yes, definitely, like for his work on the Italian mafia and CIA secret prisons, Mr Marty has managed to make some people feel very unconfortable and nervous...
Let see what the crowd of "head in the sand" followers will have so say to this...
"Right now, stability trumps everything: standards, status, even justice.
(Mike, 15 January 2011 16:42) "
The US, Kosovo/Thaci, Albania have all called for an investigation into Marty's claims. You think justice would be better served by simply assuming an elected leader is guilty of unproved charges and preventing him from taking office?
Of course the internationals are interested in stability - people die when unstable situations turn violent. Simply preventing a return to instability and further violence is in itself a positive. Kosovo's election may have been flawed, but it was peaceful, there are mechanisms in place for dealing with the officials who looked the other way and the people who signed in under other people's names. It's not like an election in Milosevic's time, where there was no recourse when an election was stolen. (And by the way, we're talking about "irregularities" here, not a stolen election.) As Feith said, democracy is a learning process. Castigating a people for not getting it right the first time is about as far as deriding a baby for crawling before it can walk.
Feith yesterday and Dell today. The message is pretty clear right? The gangsters in Pristina will be cornered soon and the extent of the Serbian and Russian propaganda network is impressive.
My guess is these people are more interested in power and maintaining their criminal structures than the well-being of the people in KiM.
Once upon a time Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein were friends of the US as Thaci is today. Once a spent rod though, as we know, things change.
More strong words coming directly from the heart of Pristina's "Green Zone", but I'm not thinking much of it beyond rhetoric. Dell does not have the authority to decide who governs Kosovo; and even if he's given some nod from Washington to "push" for a strategically desired outcome, he's not about to take a major risk and call for the removal of someone who was elected to office no matter how flawed the elections were. In other words, we're not interested in turning Thaci into a Mossadeq.
What matters in Kosovo, and what as always mattered over all other objectives, is stability. Thaci was my country's groomed Eliza Doolittle and we've invested a lot of money trying to turn him into something bigger and better than the late Dr. Rugova. Therefore, it's highly unlikely we'll hear any calls for Thaci's outster on pain of risking popular opposition against the US, or more likely risking a power vacuum where the alternatives to Hash are far worse. What are the options?
Surroi - too irrelevant
Kurti - too unpredictable
Haradinaj - too unsavory
Notice the doublespeak Dell is making:
“Anybody who was convicted of a crime should not serve in the government. Even if they filed an appeal and are waiting for the final decision. The fact that you were once found guilty, even if you appealed, makes you convicted until the appeal is reviewed. These people cannot be in the government." This doesn't apply to Thaci. Yet. While many of us, myself included, would love to see him lynched by his own people, he hasn't been "convicted" of anything yet. This is Dell's subtle way of suggesting Thaci (our nest egg) is still eligible to rule. The only time we'll hear clear statements of the US backing away from Thaci and willing to throw him under the bus is
a) he is found to be connected to and convicted of the crimes mentioned in the Marty report
or more likely
b) we find a suitable Doolittle replacement for him.
Right now, stability trumps everything: standards, status, even justice.
According to him, people who are officially being investigated, who were questioned or whose homes were searched should not be a part of the government.
Hey thaci-uncle Sam is trying to tell you something..
Wow, Dell, guilty until proven innocent. You gotta love the Americans, and the rules they set for foreign administrations. As for finding "clean officials" amongst Kosovo Albanians, good luck. You'll sooner find a palm tree in the South Pole.
Dell probably read the latest Dr. Vampire Frankenstein's take on KLA-run Kosovo.
"I have no intention of appearing before the EULEX court. I do not believe in Kosovo's institutions, nor in the possibility that such a crime-infested territory can ensure a fair trial, not even under the auspices of Europe and the UN," Sonmez said, when asked "why he avoids facing justice if he claims that he is innocent".
Unlike your politicans, our politicans dosen't have blood on their hand. How many albanians and how many serbs have been detained and convicted by international courts ? It's like 999 % serbs and maybee 1 % albanians. Our leaders and warriors haven't been convicted by any court for any criminal action. They are innocent until they are proven guilty. So Serbia have many criminals wich have been convicted while Kosovo had only one.
Wow, Dell, guilty until proven innocent. You gotta love the Americans, and the rules they set for foreign administrations. As for finding "clean officials" amongst Kosovo Albanians, good luck. You'll sooner find a palm tree in the South Pole.
Dell probably read the latest Dr. Vampire Frankenstein's take on KLA-run Kosovo.
"I have no intention of appearing before the EULEX court. I do not believe in Kosovo's institutions, nor in the possibility that such a crime-infested territory can ensure a fair trial, not even under the auspices of Europe and the UN," Sonmez said, when asked "why he avoids facing justice if he claims that he is innocent".
According to him, people who are officially being investigated, who were questioned or whose homes were searched should not be a part of the government.
Hey thaci-uncle Sam is trying to tell you something..
Feith yesterday and Dell today. The message is pretty clear right? The gangsters in Pristina will be cornered soon and the extent of the Serbian and Russian propaganda network is impressive.
My guess is these people are more interested in power and maintaining their criminal structures than the well-being of the people in KiM.
Once upon a time Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein were friends of the US as Thaci is today. Once a spent rod though, as we know, things change.
Unlike your politicans, our politicans dosen't have blood on their hand. How many albanians and how many serbs have been detained and convicted by international courts ? It's like 999 % serbs and maybee 1 % albanians. Our leaders and warriors haven't been convicted by any court for any criminal action. They are innocent until they are proven guilty. So Serbia have many criminals wich have been convicted while Kosovo had only one.
waooo, another bought by the serbo-russian propaganda machine, that really start making a lot... will also check his bank account in Switzerland and keep you informed.
Coming from Dell, these words should be taken seriously, uncle Sam is getting tired and is affraid of unpredictable consequences.
Yes, definitely, like for his work on the Italian mafia and CIA secret prisons, Mr Marty has managed to make some people feel very unconfortable and nervous...
Let see what the crowd of "head in the sand" followers will have so say to this...
I suggest that Kosovo be turned into a second European Disneyland with Mickey Mouse as the chosen leader of all the peoples of Kosovo.No snakes allowed!
More strong words coming directly from the heart of Pristina's "Green Zone", but I'm not thinking much of it beyond rhetoric. Dell does not have the authority to decide who governs Kosovo; and even if he's given some nod from Washington to "push" for a strategically desired outcome, he's not about to take a major risk and call for the removal of someone who was elected to office no matter how flawed the elections were. In other words, we're not interested in turning Thaci into a Mossadeq.
What matters in Kosovo, and what as always mattered over all other objectives, is stability. Thaci was my country's groomed Eliza Doolittle and we've invested a lot of money trying to turn him into something bigger and better than the late Dr. Rugova. Therefore, it's highly unlikely we'll hear any calls for Thaci's outster on pain of risking popular opposition against the US, or more likely risking a power vacuum where the alternatives to Hash are far worse. What are the options?
Surroi - too irrelevant
Kurti - too unpredictable
Haradinaj - too unsavory
Notice the doublespeak Dell is making:
“Anybody who was convicted of a crime should not serve in the government. Even if they filed an appeal and are waiting for the final decision. The fact that you were once found guilty, even if you appealed, makes you convicted until the appeal is reviewed. These people cannot be in the government." This doesn't apply to Thaci. Yet. While many of us, myself included, would love to see him lynched by his own people, he hasn't been "convicted" of anything yet. This is Dell's subtle way of suggesting Thaci (our nest egg) is still eligible to rule. The only time we'll hear clear statements of the US backing away from Thaci and willing to throw him under the bus is
a) he is found to be connected to and convicted of the crimes mentioned in the Marty report
or more likely
b) we find a suitable Doolittle replacement for him.
Right now, stability trumps everything: standards, status, even justice.
Is funny to see Serbians comments. All countries that recognise Kosova sudenly becames drog producers, partners in crime, and wors contries in this word. Any criticism against Kosova government becomes as crime infested place.
Unlike your politicans, our politicans dosen't have blood on their hand. How many albanians and how many serbs have been detained and convicted by international courts ? It's like 999 % serbs and maybee 1 % albanians. Our leaders and warriors haven't been convicted by any court for any criminal action. They are innocent until they are proven guilty. So Serbia have many criminals wich have been convicted while Kosovo had only one.
(Demi, 15 January 2011 14:59)
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999%, that many????
OK, now do tell us the name of at least one Serbian politician who has blood on his hands. Which minister is he or is he perhaps Tadic? Who have the Serbs elected to parliament who is guilty of murder?
Yes, Serbs have been sent to Hague and some have died there and some were convicted but NONE have been elected to any position in the government. The ones there are not even accused of anything so do stop smoking what ever it is you are smoking.
Now let's examine what is governing your lot. Perhaps we better not. Right now we might only refer to him as Lord V.
"As Feith said, democracy is a learning process. Castigating a people for not getting it right the first time is about as far as deriding a baby for crawling before it can walk."
(Amer, 15 January 2011 18:49)
Democracy might be a learning process, but if you Kosovo guys really need to learn how to do an election, it's scary!
"Don't know where you got that the US is part of the "anti independence Network", his comments are geared to how to achieve a successful and non tainted govt. I don't think he is saying lets put them back in Serbia..."
(pss, 15 January 2011 22:13)
Exactly, Dell wants a Kosovo government without corrupt and criminal persons. Similar to Marty, who simply wants investigation for some alleged criminal group and its leaders in Kosovo. But for Thaci, all people who say anything against him are 'anti-albanian', 'racists' or belong to the 'anti-independence network'. So, excuse my little joke, good luck for getting rid of Thaci, pss!
"Is funny to see Serbians comments. All countries that recognise Kosova sudenly becames drog producers, partners in crime, and wors contries in this word."
(GjonFusha, 15 January 2011 19:46)
No, not all countries, only the latest ones from 2010/2011 in Africa (Djibouti, Guinea Bissau, Swaziland, Somalia). The other ones were mainly tropical islands, totally irrelevant. I can see only Qatar as a more or less normal country that recognized Kosovo lately.
"Wow, Dell, guilty until proven innocent. You gotta love the Americans, and the rules they set for foreign administrations."
(IUPM, 15 January 2011 14:18)
Sorry, that's how it should be done, and IS done in normal, democratic countries: Politicians which are accused or under investigation put their job on halt until they either been proven innocent, and they return, or found guilty and they go to jail (or whatever punishment) and don't return.
Back to topic:
Everybody can see it now: Even the USA is part of the 'anti-independence network'. Will Thaci dare to insult Dell, too? No, it looks more and more like the times of Thaci & similar characters are over. Not even the USA is willing any more to tolerate a corrupt and criminal government in Kosovo. These words and hints by ambassador Dell were as subtle as a sledgehammer! My bet is: 98% sure that Thaci won't be neither prime minister nor president.
"actually Italy is far more corrupted than all balkan countries piled together..."
(iliri, 16 January 2011 04:19)
Maybe get a bit of information first and post facts instead of some personal impressions: Simply search for corruption index of Transparancy International.
So?? A little hint for undestanding: A smaller means less corrupt! Or do you consider Transparancy International as an 'anti independency network' member, too?. And please, don't be proud that Kosovo is listed as a country there :)
P.S:
- Somalia, one of the countries which recognized Kosovo lately, is on #178 - proud last position, must have been an easy job for Pacolli.
- Guinea Bissau is #154, sharing a position with Russia, for all the russophiles here :)
- surprisingly, Swaziland on #91 is even ahead of Kosovo.
- For all the Illyrian fans of Marty: Switzerland is in the Top 10, on #8.
Don't know where you got that the US is part of the "anti independence Network", his comments are geared to how to achieve a successful and non tainted govt. I don't think he is saying lets put them back in Serbia as I doubt anyone considers Serbia a corruption free country by any means.
(pss, 15 January 2011 22:13)
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Are you missing the point on purpose or this one just didn't make sense to you this time?
What Top is saying is that anyone who is critical of Thaci and thinks they should back off is automatically considered anti independence as far as Albanians are concerned.
We all know that various people are only critical of the players not anti independence but that's how your lot twists it. Now let's see if they are going to say the same thing about Dell. If not why not Dell but all the others?
"Wow, Dell, guilty until proven innocent. You gotta love the Americans, and the rules they set for foreign administrations."
(IUPM, 15 January 2011 14:18)
Sorry, that's how it should be done, and IS done in normal, democratic countries: Politicians which are accused or under investigation put their job on halt until they either been proven innocent, and they return, or found guilty and they go to jail (or whatever punishment) and don't return.
Back to topic:
Everybody can see it now: Even the USA is part of the 'anti-independence network'. Will Thaci dare to insult Dell, too? No, it looks more and more like the times of Thaci & similar characters are over. Not even the USA is willing any more to tolerate a corrupt and criminal government in Kosovo. These words and hints by ambassador Dell were as subtle as a sledgehammer! My bet is: 98% sure that Thaci won't be neither prime minister nor president.
Ivica Dacic was Milosevic's man. Instead of him being in the Hague, he's a minister in Serbian government.
(ivan, 15 January 2011 22:36)
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What particular crimes are you accusing him of? Lots of people were with Milosevic. It doesn't mean they committed any crimes. Heck, even Milosevic was bumped off because they couldn't prove a thing.
Everybody can see it now: Even the USA is part of the 'anti-independence network'. Will Thaci dare to insult Dell, too? No, it looks more and more like the times of Thaci & similar characters are over. Not even the USA is willing any more to tolerate a corrupt and criminal government in Kosovo. These words and hints by ambassador Dell were as subtle as a sledgehammer! My bet is: 98% sure that Thaci won't be neither prime minister nor president.
(Top, 15 January 2011 19:27)
Don't know where you got that the US is part of the "anti independence Network", his comments are geared to how to achieve a successful and non tainted govt. I don't think he is saying lets put them back in Serbia as I doubt anyone considers Serbia a corruption free country by any means.
What particular crimes are you accusing him of? Lots of people were with Milosevic. It doesn't mean they committed any crimes. Heck, even Milosevic was bumped off because they couldn't prove a thing.
(Peggy, 16 January 2011 01:11)
ouch, the door just hit on the way out with this comment. So why are you accusing Thaci then? I can garanty you that he has never been to that so called yellow house and has no clue where is located, and yet you guys are saying Thaci did it. wow,wow,wow
Face the real world, for the next 4 years you guys have to talk to thaci about good neihgborly relation, and no one else.
"Right now, stability trumps everything: standards, status, even justice.
(Mike, 15 January 2011 16:42) "
The US, Kosovo/Thaci, Albania have all called for an investigation into Marty's claims. You think justice would be better served by simply assuming an elected leader is guilty of unproved charges and preventing him from taking office?
Of course the internationals are interested in stability - people die when unstable situations turn violent. Simply preventing a return to instability and further violence is in itself a positive. Kosovo's election may have been flawed, but it was peaceful, there are mechanisms in place for dealing with the officials who looked the other way and the people who signed in under other people's names. It's not like an election in Milosevic's time, where there was no recourse when an election was stolen. (And by the way, we're talking about "irregularities" here, not a stolen election.) As Feith said, democracy is a learning process. Castigating a people for not getting it right the first time is about as far as deriding a baby for crawling before it can walk.
Fancy coming out with this statement. After 12 years we have the representative of the United State of Windbags stating his country wants a clean government. What Thaci not clean enough for that cockroach of a country? Didn’t he do their bidding for the last 12 years?
I said it many times that the US was roasting on a spit over this organ trafficking issue and here is you proof. It wants to cleanse itself of any wrong doing and blame it on someone else. What an ally; it does not even stand up for its “friends”. From the likes of Lincoln to this scumbag lot – what a fall from grace!
You can see that the US lives in Disney’s dreamland where it thinks its reputation is intact and tinker bell will throw some pixy dust and all bad will go away.
Every single Balkan country needs clean officials...from Greece to Romania, from Albania to Croatia...actually Italy is far more corrupted than all balkan countries piled together...but the difference is that Italy has a strong economy, unlike balkan countries, and can eventually afford all the corruption, but post communist countries simply can not...it is like a family having a son with gambling addiction, a very rich one can support him, but a medium or poor one can not... Pop quiz: Find 7% of 10 000 000 ?
very fuuny article.Anamerican politician talking about the need for clean honorable politicians.You mean like holbrook albright,biden,clinton,rubin.God bless Kosmet
ouch, the door just hit on the way out with this comment. So why are you accusing Thaci then?
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I was responding to a comment made by your lot about Serbian war criminals being in government.
I want to know who. Who is this person and what have they done?
Now stop diverting and please answer that question. Your lot made the statement and all I am doing is holding them to it and making them justify it.
''P.S:
- Somalia, one of the countries which recognized Kosovo lately, is on #178 - proud last position, must have been an easy job for Pacolli.
- Guinea Bissau is #154, sharing a position with Russia, for all the russophiles here :)
- surprisingly, Swaziland on #91 is even ahead of Kosovo.
- For all the Illyrian fans of Marty: Switzerland is in the Top 10, on #8.
(Top, 16 January 2011 11:07) ''
i did not want to imply anything, i m not blind, Albania is a corrupt country by western standarts, but so are most of eastern european countries, still, it is not the same thing, berlusconi, who is one of the richest european persons, being involved in curruption is about more money than we can imagine ...I m just saying that we Albanians, we can not afford this whole corruption anymore, enough is enough. I m not saying''see , italians are corrupt, so it is ok for us to be corrupt as well '' No. Read my post again please.
What has the reckognition have to with corruption, we can not just say to somalians that we can not appriceate their recgognitions because they are the most corrupt country on earth, what do we care anyway about corruption in somalia, there is UN and other international missions for that issue...Corrupt or not , it is one vote in the UN, and that is what we mind about...
I thought pride is a sin in christianity, judging serbs are hardcore christians who protect europe from infedels... why would i be proud wether Kosovo is listed as a country anyway...plus 110 is not a bad score , there are 192 countries in total, so , contrary to what serbs say, Kosovo is not the most corrupt country in the world...thank you for posting the rank anyway, 78? not bad, but i thought Serbia was an example state in the region,so 78 is not that good...if Kosovo is such a corrupt country, why waste effort, money and time to incorporate it under ''perfect 78 ranking '' serbian state?
Swisscerland scoring 10th? Still it is 10th positions, which means that it is not the least corrupt country in the world... if swiss administration is more corrupt than 9 countries, then Dick Marty is not that uncorruptable as a swiss would normally be....
Unlike your politicans, our politicans dosen't have blood on their hand. How many albanians and how many serbs have been detained and convicted by international courts ? It's like 999 % serbs and maybee 1 % albanians. Our leaders and warriors haven't been convicted by any court for any criminal action. They are innocent until they are proven guilty. So Serbia have many criminals wich have been convicted while Kosovo had only one.
Is funny to see Serbians comments. All countries that recognise Kosova sudenly becames drog producers, partners in crime, and wors contries in this word. Any criticism against Kosova government becomes as crime infested place.
Wow, Dell, guilty until proven innocent. You gotta love the Americans, and the rules they set for foreign administrations. As for finding "clean officials" amongst Kosovo Albanians, good luck. You'll sooner find a palm tree in the South Pole.
Every single Balkan country needs clean officials...from Greece to Romania, from Albania to Croatia...actually Italy is far more corrupted than all balkan countries piled together...but the difference is that Italy has a strong economy, unlike balkan countries, and can eventually afford all the corruption, but post communist countries simply can not...it is like a family having a son with gambling addiction, a very rich one can support him, but a medium or poor one can not... Pop quiz: Find 7% of 10 000 000 ?
I suggest that Kosovo be turned into a second European Disneyland with Mickey Mouse as the chosen leader of all the peoples of Kosovo.No snakes allowed!
According to him, people who are officially being investigated, who were questioned or whose homes were searched should not be a part of the government.
Hey thaci-uncle Sam is trying to tell you something..
"Right now, stability trumps everything: standards, status, even justice.
(Mike, 15 January 2011 16:42) "
The US, Kosovo/Thaci, Albania have all called for an investigation into Marty's claims. You think justice would be better served by simply assuming an elected leader is guilty of unproved charges and preventing him from taking office?
Of course the internationals are interested in stability - people die when unstable situations turn violent. Simply preventing a return to instability and further violence is in itself a positive. Kosovo's election may have been flawed, but it was peaceful, there are mechanisms in place for dealing with the officials who looked the other way and the people who signed in under other people's names. It's not like an election in Milosevic's time, where there was no recourse when an election was stolen. (And by the way, we're talking about "irregularities" here, not a stolen election.) As Feith said, democracy is a learning process. Castigating a people for not getting it right the first time is about as far as deriding a baby for crawling before it can walk.
Feith yesterday and Dell today. The message is pretty clear right? The gangsters in Pristina will be cornered soon and the extent of the Serbian and Russian propaganda network is impressive.
My guess is these people are more interested in power and maintaining their criminal structures than the well-being of the people in KiM.
Once upon a time Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein were friends of the US as Thaci is today. Once a spent rod though, as we know, things change.
Everybody can see it now: Even the USA is part of the 'anti-independence network'. Will Thaci dare to insult Dell, too? No, it looks more and more like the times of Thaci & similar characters are over. Not even the USA is willing any more to tolerate a corrupt and criminal government in Kosovo. These words and hints by ambassador Dell were as subtle as a sledgehammer! My bet is: 98% sure that Thaci won't be neither prime minister nor president.
(Top, 15 January 2011 19:27)
Don't know where you got that the US is part of the "anti independence Network", his comments are geared to how to achieve a successful and non tainted govt. I don't think he is saying lets put them back in Serbia as I doubt anyone considers Serbia a corruption free country by any means.
What particular crimes are you accusing him of? Lots of people were with Milosevic. It doesn't mean they committed any crimes. Heck, even Milosevic was bumped off because they couldn't prove a thing.
(Peggy, 16 January 2011 01:11)
ouch, the door just hit on the way out with this comment. So why are you accusing Thaci then? I can garanty you that he has never been to that so called yellow house and has no clue where is located, and yet you guys are saying Thaci did it. wow,wow,wow
Face the real world, for the next 4 years you guys have to talk to thaci about good neihgborly relation, and no one else.
I thought pride is a sin in christianity, judging serbs are hardcore christians who protect europe from infedels... why would i be proud wether Kosovo is listed as a country anyway...plus 110 is not a bad score , there are 192 countries in total, so , contrary to what serbs say, Kosovo is not the most corrupt country in the world...thank you for posting the rank anyway, 78? not bad, but i thought Serbia was an example state in the region,so 78 is not that good...if Kosovo is such a corrupt country, why waste effort, money and time to incorporate it under ''perfect 78 ranking '' serbian state?
Swisscerland scoring 10th? Still it is 10th positions, which means that it is not the least corrupt country in the world... if swiss administration is more corrupt than 9 countries, then Dick Marty is not that uncorruptable as a swiss would normally be....
Ivica Dacic was Milosevic's man. Instead of him being in the Hague, he's a minister in Serbian government.
(ivan, 15 January 2011 22:36)
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What particular crimes are you accusing him of? Lots of people were with Milosevic. It doesn't mean they committed any crimes. Heck, even Milosevic was bumped off because they couldn't prove a thing.
Dell probably read the latest Dr. Vampire Frankenstein's take on KLA-run Kosovo.
"I have no intention of appearing before the EULEX court. I do not believe in Kosovo's institutions, nor in the possibility that such a crime-infested territory can ensure a fair trial, not even under the auspices of Europe and the UN," Sonmez said, when asked "why he avoids facing justice if he claims that he is innocent".
More strong words coming directly from the heart of Pristina's "Green Zone", but I'm not thinking much of it beyond rhetoric. Dell does not have the authority to decide who governs Kosovo; and even if he's given some nod from Washington to "push" for a strategically desired outcome, he's not about to take a major risk and call for the removal of someone who was elected to office no matter how flawed the elections were. In other words, we're not interested in turning Thaci into a Mossadeq.
What matters in Kosovo, and what as always mattered over all other objectives, is stability. Thaci was my country's groomed Eliza Doolittle and we've invested a lot of money trying to turn him into something bigger and better than the late Dr. Rugova. Therefore, it's highly unlikely we'll hear any calls for Thaci's outster on pain of risking popular opposition against the US, or more likely risking a power vacuum where the alternatives to Hash are far worse. What are the options?
Surroi - too irrelevant
Kurti - too unpredictable
Haradinaj - too unsavory
Notice the doublespeak Dell is making:
“Anybody who was convicted of a crime should not serve in the government. Even if they filed an appeal and are waiting for the final decision. The fact that you were once found guilty, even if you appealed, makes you convicted until the appeal is reviewed. These people cannot be in the government." This doesn't apply to Thaci. Yet. While many of us, myself included, would love to see him lynched by his own people, he hasn't been "convicted" of anything yet. This is Dell's subtle way of suggesting Thaci (our nest egg) is still eligible to rule. The only time we'll hear clear statements of the US backing away from Thaci and willing to throw him under the bus is
a) he is found to be connected to and convicted of the crimes mentioned in the Marty report
or more likely
b) we find a suitable Doolittle replacement for him.
Right now, stability trumps everything: standards, status, even justice.
waooo, another bought by the serbo-russian propaganda machine, that really start making a lot... will also check his bank account in Switzerland and keep you informed.
Coming from Dell, these words should be taken seriously, uncle Sam is getting tired and is affraid of unpredictable consequences.
Yes, definitely, like for his work on the Italian mafia and CIA secret prisons, Mr Marty has managed to make some people feel very unconfortable and nervous...
Let see what the crowd of "head in the sand" followers will have so say to this...
"Wow, Dell, guilty until proven innocent. You gotta love the Americans, and the rules they set for foreign administrations."
(IUPM, 15 January 2011 14:18)
Sorry, that's how it should be done, and IS done in normal, democratic countries: Politicians which are accused or under investigation put their job on halt until they either been proven innocent, and they return, or found guilty and they go to jail (or whatever punishment) and don't return.
Back to topic:
Everybody can see it now: Even the USA is part of the 'anti-independence network'. Will Thaci dare to insult Dell, too? No, it looks more and more like the times of Thaci & similar characters are over. Not even the USA is willing any more to tolerate a corrupt and criminal government in Kosovo. These words and hints by ambassador Dell were as subtle as a sledgehammer! My bet is: 98% sure that Thaci won't be neither prime minister nor president.
"Wow, Dell, guilty until proven innocent. You gotta love the Americans, and the rules they set for foreign administrations."
(IUPM, 15 January 2011 14:18)
Sorry, that's how it should be done, and IS done in normal, democratic countries: Politicians which are accused or under investigation put their job on halt until they either been proven innocent, and they return, or found guilty and they go to jail (or whatever punishment) and don't return.
Back to topic:
Everybody can see it now: Even the USA is part of the 'anti-independence network'. Will Thaci dare to insult Dell, too? No, it looks more and more like the times of Thaci & similar characters are over. Not even the USA is willing any more to tolerate a corrupt and criminal government in Kosovo. These words and hints by ambassador Dell were as subtle as a sledgehammer! My bet is: 98% sure that Thaci won't be neither prime minister nor president.
Don't know where you got that the US is part of the "anti independence Network", his comments are geared to how to achieve a successful and non tainted govt. I don't think he is saying lets put them back in Serbia as I doubt anyone considers Serbia a corruption free country by any means.
(pss, 15 January 2011 22:13)
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Are you missing the point on purpose or this one just didn't make sense to you this time?
What Top is saying is that anyone who is critical of Thaci and thinks they should back off is automatically considered anti independence as far as Albanians are concerned.
We all know that various people are only critical of the players not anti independence but that's how your lot twists it. Now let's see if they are going to say the same thing about Dell. If not why not Dell but all the others?
Unlike your politicans, our politicans dosen't have blood on their hand. How many albanians and how many serbs have been detained and convicted by international courts ? It's like 999 % serbs and maybee 1 % albanians. Our leaders and warriors haven't been convicted by any court for any criminal action. They are innocent until they are proven guilty. So Serbia have many criminals wich have been convicted while Kosovo had only one.
(Demi, 15 January 2011 14:59)
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999%, that many????
OK, now do tell us the name of at least one Serbian politician who has blood on his hands. Which minister is he or is he perhaps Tadic? Who have the Serbs elected to parliament who is guilty of murder?
Yes, Serbs have been sent to Hague and some have died there and some were convicted but NONE have been elected to any position in the government. The ones there are not even accused of anything so do stop smoking what ever it is you are smoking.
Now let's examine what is governing your lot. Perhaps we better not. Right now we might only refer to him as Lord V.
very fuuny article.Anamerican politician talking about the need for clean honorable politicians.You mean like holbrook albright,biden,clinton,rubin.God bless Kosmet
Fancy coming out with this statement. After 12 years we have the representative of the United State of Windbags stating his country wants a clean government. What Thaci not clean enough for that cockroach of a country? Didn’t he do their bidding for the last 12 years?
I said it many times that the US was roasting on a spit over this organ trafficking issue and here is you proof. It wants to cleanse itself of any wrong doing and blame it on someone else. What an ally; it does not even stand up for its “friends”. From the likes of Lincoln to this scumbag lot – what a fall from grace!
You can see that the US lives in Disney’s dreamland where it thinks its reputation is intact and tinker bell will throw some pixy dust and all bad will go away.
"As Feith said, democracy is a learning process. Castigating a people for not getting it right the first time is about as far as deriding a baby for crawling before it can walk."
(Amer, 15 January 2011 18:49)
Democracy might be a learning process, but if you Kosovo guys really need to learn how to do an election, it's scary!
"Don't know where you got that the US is part of the "anti independence Network", his comments are geared to how to achieve a successful and non tainted govt. I don't think he is saying lets put them back in Serbia..."
(pss, 15 January 2011 22:13)
Exactly, Dell wants a Kosovo government without corrupt and criminal persons. Similar to Marty, who simply wants investigation for some alleged criminal group and its leaders in Kosovo. But for Thaci, all people who say anything against him are 'anti-albanian', 'racists' or belong to the 'anti-independence network'. So, excuse my little joke, good luck for getting rid of Thaci, pss!
"Is funny to see Serbians comments. All countries that recognise Kosova sudenly becames drog producers, partners in crime, and wors contries in this word."
(GjonFusha, 15 January 2011 19:46)
No, not all countries, only the latest ones from 2010/2011 in Africa (Djibouti, Guinea Bissau, Swaziland, Somalia). The other ones were mainly tropical islands, totally irrelevant. I can see only Qatar as a more or less normal country that recognized Kosovo lately.
"actually Italy is far more corrupted than all balkan countries piled together..."
(iliri, 16 January 2011 04:19)
Maybe get a bit of information first and post facts instead of some personal impressions: Simply search for corruption index of Transparancy International.
So?? A little hint for undestanding: A smaller means less corrupt! Or do you consider Transparancy International as an 'anti independency network' member, too?. And please, don't be proud that Kosovo is listed as a country there :)
P.S:
- Somalia, one of the countries which recognized Kosovo lately, is on #178 - proud last position, must have been an easy job for Pacolli.
- Guinea Bissau is #154, sharing a position with Russia, for all the russophiles here :)
- surprisingly, Swaziland on #91 is even ahead of Kosovo.
- For all the Illyrian fans of Marty: Switzerland is in the Top 10, on #8.
''P.S:
- Somalia, one of the countries which recognized Kosovo lately, is on #178 - proud last position, must have been an easy job for Pacolli.
- Guinea Bissau is #154, sharing a position with Russia, for all the russophiles here :)
- surprisingly, Swaziland on #91 is even ahead of Kosovo.
- For all the Illyrian fans of Marty: Switzerland is in the Top 10, on #8.
(Top, 16 January 2011 11:07) ''
i did not want to imply anything, i m not blind, Albania is a corrupt country by western standarts, but so are most of eastern european countries, still, it is not the same thing, berlusconi, who is one of the richest european persons, being involved in curruption is about more money than we can imagine ...I m just saying that we Albanians, we can not afford this whole corruption anymore, enough is enough. I m not saying''see , italians are corrupt, so it is ok for us to be corrupt as well '' No. Read my post again please.
What has the reckognition have to with corruption, we can not just say to somalians that we can not appriceate their recgognitions because they are the most corrupt country on earth, what do we care anyway about corruption in somalia, there is UN and other international missions for that issue...Corrupt or not , it is one vote in the UN, and that is what we mind about...
ouch, the door just hit on the way out with this comment. So why are you accusing Thaci then?
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I was responding to a comment made by your lot about Serbian war criminals being in government.
I want to know who. Who is this person and what have they done?
Now stop diverting and please answer that question. Your lot made the statement and all I am doing is holding them to it and making them justify it.
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