"Thaci readied KLA in Switzerland"

"He was closely monitored by intelligence agencies of several European countries after he finally moved to Kosovo due to very serious allegations – he was accused of organizing murders of his rivals, the daily stressed."

What an innocent gentleman he is! Every country (or non-country) has the politicians they deserve!

Terrorists belonging to a nation with a history of being tools for foreign conquerors was trained In a country with a proud history of independence. A sad day for the Swiss

I read the article, the entire one from Le Temps. It actually shows him in very good light: great student, just rumors, tracked by secret services that found no dirt on him.

"He took my classes on mujahidin war in Afghanistan. He used their combat mechanisms for his own war,"

Wait, Serbs say the CIA and/or al-Qaeda and/or Albanian army taught him and those around him those things. Now we hear he just learned them at school? in Switzerland?

The World's first "legitimated" Liberation Army proven to be financed on the most part by drug money.

"What an innocent gentleman he is! Every country (or non-country) has the politicians they deserve!"

Read your entire post (with the citation) and see what's wrong with your answer.

Btw, this Swiss thing is nothing new, this was all known to everyone. Frankly it shows Thaci much smarter than I thought he was. Remember one thing: This Marty thing will backfire since there's no evidence and it didn't happen, Thaci can retire tomorrow but Kosova's a done deal. Not because of Thaci, but because Western Powers have invested so much in Kosova and they know how Kosova was before the war. Propaganda has a short life shelf

Peggy, when Milosevic bombed other people and countrys you(serb people) supported him. When your self got bombed then you turned your back on him and sold him out. Milosevic was sold out by his own people wich before supported him that's it. He was not sold out because he hurt other people. Serbs are not that kind wanting to save bosniaks,croats and albanians.


Reamember that Milosevic was a representative of the serbian people wich elected him as president. The serbian people and the nation should be responsible for his wrongdoings.

The light of truth is finally starting to shine on some America's closest puppets.

"The World's first "legitimated" Liberation Army proven to be financed on the most part by drug money."

Keep dreaming, only in USA $30 Million was raised in a matter of months by the diaspora, in Europe it reached hundreds of millions. Money was not an issue. Did some drug dealers contribute? I don't doubt it. No one had time to do background checks, even if they wanted to turn the money away.

BREAKING NEWS! I have something to reveal, something that will shock you all, I also have a ton of evidence. Are you ready? KLA had weapons! WEAPONS! Real weapon as ak47, and they shot Serb army with these weapons.Whaaaaaat? See, Albanians do not deserve to live, they had for God's sake WEAPONS!

For God's sake, it was a war. And you are on Thaqi now that he participated in a WAR? You sound like you're born tomorrow. People, the war took place between 1998-1999 between Albanians and Serbs in Kosovo. Thaqi was the leader of the Albanians. He was in the war! Why are you so surprised?

"He took my classes on mujahidin war in Afghanistan. He used their combat mechanisms for his own war,"

Interesting that those classes are tought in Switzerland. I thought, usually, terrorists go directly to Afghanistan or Pakistan to receive the training there?

shows him in very good light: great student, just rumors, tracked by secret services that found no dirt on him.
(Hmmmm, 8 January 2011 14:50)

We must not have read the same article, indeed a good student studying the mudjadin war in afganistan and stopping after 1 year to get involved in the UCK creation.
For the rest of the article, not only remours, his visa was refused in 2002 and a "no comment" whether he was a person non grata for a short period ! A lot of people mentioned in Mr Marty's reports for alledged involvement in criminal activities are also shown in this article with refusal of visas and entries in Switzerland!
As to the rest, it is known in Switzerland that he was raising funds for the KLA and a lot of "pressure" was put on the diaspora to fund his activities.
So bottom line he you want to comment on the article, pls make sure that you mention all and not only that he was a good studend, which at the end was a cover up for his criminal activities...

"Kosovo, War and Revenge" by Tim Juddah is a good reading for people to know how the KLA started and how Thaci started and a lot of other very interesting stuff about the funding of the KLA and the war.

Milosevic prepared MUP and SNA how to commit genocide in Belgrade.

Yes, KU, he got combat lessons entirely from books. Give me a break.

Wait, Serbs say the CIA and/or al-Qaeda and/or Albanian army taught him and those around him those things. Now we hear he just learned them at school? in Switzerland?
(KU, 8 January 2011 17:08)

You have not heard of theory part and practical part? He learned very well theory in Switzerland and practical part in Albania from Al Qaida. Americans help them too, as they were always saying that KLA is NATO infantry.

The World's first "legitimated" Liberation Army proven to be financed on the most part by drug money.
(Asterix, 8 January 2011 16:58)

Proven???... Haahaaa...
That is how Mr Marty did his report!!!

Here is how was writen:
“There were rumors that the KLA leaders were collecting money from heroin smuggling to buy military weapons which was intended for Kosovo,” the daily wrote.
RUMORS not PROVEN means GOSSIP.

(Hmmmm, 8 January 2011 14:50)

What about the part saying he should have had his asylum revoked because he broke the law by travelling to Kosovo.
I havent read the article but thats a minor peice of information I gathered from the B92 version.
So we see that even at an early stage he was prepared to brake the law, this in any normal country would make you ineligible for becoming a president.

If you read further "hmmmm" you might see allegations were made against him which could not be proven because he fled to Kosovo.

in fact,those who were dealing drug are your officers of your secret services ,who were active there!They even were condamned in Prishtina 1or 2 years before the war..you serbs have used drug as many arrestations in svizerland have proved it,all of them being officer of your sservices!Idem in deutchland!

What an innocent gentleman he is! Every country (or non-country) has the politicians they deserve!
(Top, 8 January 2011)

So what you're saying is the Serbs deserved Milosevic. I feel so bad the Hague took him away from you guys, he could still be your president today.

R.I.P. Slobo.

Nice article I like Thaci even more now while my admiration for KLA is high to the stars.

Thanks to the daily also for offering their facilities for our struggle for freedom.

"He took my classes on mujahidin war in Afghanistan. He used their combat mechanisms for his own war,"

Wait, Serbs say the CIA and/or al-Qaeda and/or Albanian army taught him and those around him those things. Now we hear he just learned them at school? in Switzerland?
(KU, 8 January 2011 17:08)

I am dying to read a response from swiss, or for that matter anybody from die hard serb camp.

"I read the article, the entire one from Le Temps. It actually shows him in very good light: great student, just rumors, tracked by secret services that found no dirt on him."
(Hmmmm, 8 January 2011 14:50)

Oh, leaving unversity after 1 year, violating the asylum laws, and even being supervised by the secret service makes a person "shine in good light" in Kosovo? Well, that explains a lot.

What are these guys expecting for these guys to cross their arms while their families and people were butchered by the regime of Slobodan Miloshevic? Is that because this is the Swiss way of doing things? Well that is not the Albanian way and I do not believe any way of any sound person in this planet. I know that in "a democratic society" like in Swiss someone can get away with murder because "according to law criminals rights prevail" towards the ordinary and decent citizens.

So what you're saying is the Serbs deserved Milosevic. I feel so bad the Hague took him away from you guys, he could still be your president today.

R.I.P. Slobo.
(Zoti, 8 January 2011 20:16)
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Serbs rallied against him and the rest is history.
You guys are all standing behind this thug defending him.
What say you now?

think it can be considered dirt. It seems more objective than most of what we've seen lately.
(Amer, 8 January 2011 23:52)

Of course I read it, moreover french is my native language, so I guess I can understand all...
But you are right it is the least, let's say, negative that this guy had lately, however for however reads it in Switzerland, where it was at the end published, they will say "ach again these kosovars", unfortunately it is the sad truth that you, guys seem to underestimate largely, the horrible image that you have abroad because of guys like the snake and his gang.
Just go to Switzerland and start asking in the street what they think about the kosovars and you will see that their image is extremely negative and that the association with drug trafficking will come out most of the time.
Whether it is justified, this is another question, but certainly there is a ground for the people to mention it.
Don't forget there was not long ago another article in the same newspaper stating that the heroin trade in Switzerland is being controlled by the kosovars and albanians and this statement came from the Geneva prosecutors. He certainly has fact to make such a serious statement!!
My point is and remain the same, kosovo has already an horrible image and what happend lately with your angel thaci is simply dragging further kosovo in the dirt and will in no way help it!
Like Feith said, it is about time that kosovo gets a credible governement...
But of course, this is at the end upto to you guys....

I am dying to read a response from swiss, or for that matter anybody from die hard serb camp.
(Agim Kelmendi, 8 January 2011 19:43)

And what a response should I give. I did learn at school in Switzerland about the 1st and 2nd world wars, like I learn during my military service about the soviet tactics and weaponery!
So, nothing surprising, it's part of our education, you know education...
What is however not very good is that this article is making the first page of le Temps, one of the most read newspaper in Switzerland, so, your angel just put some more dirt on kosovo image, and this, I believe, should be your primary concern..

like in Swiss someone can get away with murder because "according to law criminals rights prevail" towards the ordinary and decent citizens.
(EA, 8 January 2011 20:41)

Mr EA, it would be nice from you to re-phrase/clarify your comments because it is rather confusing and frankly speaking un-understandable !

Well this is nothing new. We always knew that there is big support in US Europe and Russia for Serbia.

But this time propaganda will not succeed as in 19th century. We have Jewish lobby in our side.

It wasnt only Albanian Diaspora in Switzerland that helped the resistence to regime from Belgrade.
Most of the money and the weapons were brought from US, with the help of US Government back channels.
At the end Serbian Army and Police and paramilitary were forced out of Kosovo, rightfully so!!!
This is all sour grapes, my serb friends.
Kosovo is gone forever. It would be good if Serbia recognises Kosovo , so it can have good relations with its neighbour, so serbs could go and visit their monasteries, and relatives. Serbia should allow the economic exchange with Kosovo, it can only be positive. As far as negotiations, that are pending, there are certain things that will not be discussed. Partition, I dont think so.......
Cheers

triumph despite them because precisly "we are albanian" !The more youtry,the more you will help to unite albanians,
so just do it!
(lili, 9 January 2011 14:18)

What the heck are you talking about, am not counting on anything.... if having a bad image because of a few criminals makes you feel better, then be my guest, I counldn't care less ! I suggest you then not to join any civilization, it is pointless...

"So what you're saying is the Serbs deserved Milosevic. I feel so bad the Hague took him away from you guys, he could still be your president today.

(Zoti, 8 January 2011 20:16)

Yes, I'm saying that. They elected him, and Serbs had to bear the consequences of his miserably failed politics, too, in the end, and enough Serbs still consider him a "hero", just like Albanians do with Thaci - the latter is still nowadays present in Kosovo's government, and that's the shame.

What surprises me is that Serbia did not send an UDBA type of team to terminate the snake and his terrorists wherever they may be on this planet. I love the story of how stalin sent an assassin to remove tito but the plan was foiled and the would-be assassin was caught. Tito sent stalin a brief response that if he decides to send one of his own from the UDBA, that he will not miss! Stalin heeded the warning because he knew who he was dealing with. Serbia was successor to vast special forces and resources as successor to jugoslavija and its a shame that those skills were not used at an early stage.

Serbs rallied against him and the rest is history. You guys are all standing behind this thug defending him.
What say you now?
(Peggy, 8 January 2011)

Most Albanians, myself included, called for an investigation when the allegations first came out. Then no evidence was brought forth by Marty or any other party. Now most Albanians think this was just part of a smear campaign by certain groups not interested in an independent Kosova.

Also Serbia was bombed for 78 days because of Milosevic that's why you got rid of him. Like someone mentioned it before when he was wreaking havic in Bosnia, Croatia and Ksoova he had the support of all of Serbia.

When Prishtina gets bombed because of Thaci we'll get rid of him. So far he's only brought independence.

And I'm not saying this as a Thaci supporter, I'm in the Albin Kurti camp.

to the swiss and other:
You count on the fact that having a bad image in Switzerland will calm down albanians in kosovo? How naiv you are!
I just tell you,may be it will slow down some achievement but it will never stop our people,because it is not how swiss people regard us that matter,but how we live here in kosovo.And living under repression and serbian rules ,no thanks
We are used to antialbanian campains(i remember those of the mid 1990years)and we can manage them and triumph despite them because precisly "we are albanian" !The more youtry,the more you will help to unite albanians,
so just do it!

"Military strategy expert, Professor Albert Stahel remembers Thaci as a “very cautious student”. "

"comme d’un élève «très attentif»."

(fez, 8 January 2011 23:17)

Thaci was in a war, a war he could not win without at least 500 NATO aircraft.

"What the heck are you talking about, am not counting on anything.... if having a bad image because of a few criminals makes you feel better, then be my guest, I counldn't care less ! I suggest you then not to join any civilization, it is pointless..."
(The Swiss, 9 January 2011 22:17)

You have to understand the mentality of Kosovars. After I read a comment yesterday that, for (some?) Albanians, Thaci is shining in a good light because he studied in Switzerland (for one year), violated asylum laws and was observed by the intelligence agency. Well, in mafia clans, everyone has to admire the Godfather.

After reading and posting for years on the B92 site I now realize we will never have an agreement between Albanians and Serbs regarding Kosovo. Albanians clearly see the world one way and Serbs clearly see the world another way. No matter what the criticism against Albanians, they won't believe it. So sad. No matter what the evidence against them, they find a way to turn it against the accuser. That's even more sad. They will never be successful in an honest world without corruption. Corruption can work well if you want to live a dark life. However, in the West, corruption doesn't work. Actually, my Albanian readers, it doesn't work in the US. I beg you to try to function through corruption in the US and see where that leads you. Go for it. You'll find yourself some guy's "girlfriend" in jail.

Is this a quality of a leader who Albanians want to rule them? The true colors of the "snake" is being reveal now.

I hope his western backers / sponsors will be finally shaken and have a second look on the Kosovo UDI.

Well done Thaci.

Keep up the good work.

why are some posters insisting on asking e-alb posters on the B92 website to 'play fair' or to 'stop minimising albanian crimes'? are you dumb or what? It's obvious most of these people are just here to make propaganda for PDK - they are most likely on the government payroll and getting paid (badly) for their efforts. Don't feed the trolls!

Zoti states:

"Most Albanians, myself included, called for an investigation when the allegations first came out. Then no evidence was brought forth by Marty or any other party. Now most Albanians think this was just part of a smear campaign by certain groups not interested in an independent Kosova."
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What rubbish. Who are all these Albanians who wanted an investigation when this news broke out? Most Albanians started defending him right from the beginning. Please do tell me who were these Albanians requesting an investigation?
Maybe just you and one or two others at most.

"What is however not very good is that this article is making the first page of le Temps, one of the most read newspaper in Switzerland, so, your angel just put some more dirt on kosovo image, and this, I believe, should be your primary concern..
(The Swiss, 8 January 2011 21:27) "


Did you read the article?There's information, but I don't think it can be considered dirt. It seems more objective than most of what we've seen lately.

For God's sake, it was a war. And you are on Thaqi now that he participated in a WAR? You sound like you're born tomorrow. People, the war took place between 1998-1999 between Albanians and Serbs in Kosovo. Thaqi was the leader of the Albanians. He was in the war! Why are you so surprised?
(fez, 8 January 2011 23:17)
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Nobody is surprised about killings in the war. It's to be expected and in a civil war there is always more brutality and crime but what we are all shocked about is that a human being can purposely extract organs from innocent people for profit.
That even during a war is evil.

And everyone is shocked that Serbs had an army who fought against three opponents. Not one but three. So you tell me then who was paying the biggest price and still holding their own well until NATO happened? Serbian leaders were true and brave leaders. You would not expect any less from them in the time of war.
See how you don't want Thaci blamed because all he was doing was waging a war against the Serbs but you blame every Serb for being in the same war.
Hypocritical.

What surprises me is that Serbia did not send an UDBA type of team to terminate the snake and his terrorists wherever they may be on this planet. I love the story of how stalin sent an assassin to remove tito but the plan was foiled and the would-be assassin was caught. Tito sent stalin a brief response that if he decides to send one of his own from the UDBA, that he will not miss! Stalin heeded the warning because he knew who he was dealing with. Serbia was successor to vast special forces and resources as successor to jugoslavija and its a shame that those skills were not used at an early stage.
(tesla, 8 January 2011 23:59)

Because we had stupid leader Milosevic. I have studied the Israeli tactics into eliminating unwanted and dangerous people to state of Israel and they do it very profesional apart from killing Marocan waiter in Norway.

Albanians got independence due to stupidity of Milosevic, nothing else. W

had US not droped the a bombs, the ww2 would still be going on in japan...
(iliri, 10 January 2011 17:39)

This just prove the way you think. For you anything is allowed like removing organs and selling in order to win war?

A case where "the end always justifies the means".
People we are talking about the Balkans - and in that context , nobody can point a righteous finger at anybody else. Every single nation , without exeption , when confronted with strong and deadly opposition to their goal of "freedom" or "liberation" always responded with a victory "at any cost" reply. Be it the US in Americas war of independence , England in WW2 , the Serbs in BH (later to form RS) , Croats in their war of independence or Albanians today.

Limited options will ALWAYS dilute the strength of any moral argument - ALWAYS. We all know this.
Why is any person here sounding so condescending ,your own kin "Serbs , Croats , Albanians , Bosnians whoever" have all done the exact same thing. Lets remeber , one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. Every single nation in the Balkans , bar none, is full of their own freedom fighters and terrorists. Now stop being so childish , start being honest with each other and lets move on.
No wonder the rest of the world rolls their eyes when they hear of trouble in the balkans!

"Top" below me has unleashed a hell of a point, you should read it

the horrible image that you have abroad because of guys like the snake and his gang.
Just go to Switzerland and start asking in the street what they think about the kosovars and you will see that their image is extremely negative and that the association with drug trafficking will come out most of the time.
Whether it is justified, this is another question, but certainly there is a ground for the people to mention it.
Don't forget there was not long ago another article in the same newspaper stating that the heroin trade in Switzerland is being controlled by the kosovars and albanians and this statement came from the Geneva prosecutors. He certainly has fact to make such a serious statement!!
My point is and remain the same, kosovo has already an horrible image and what happend lately with your angel thaci is simply dragging further kosovo in the dirt and will in no way help it!
Like Feith said, it is about time that kosovo gets a credible governement...
But of course, this is at the end upto to you guys....
(The Swiss, 9 January 2011 13:30)

If you go in the streets of Switzerland and ask about any minority they will tell you the same thing, weren't you doing the same with Italians only 50 yrs ago? In fact Swiss went so far to create a political anti-italian party? Go watch Die Schweizermacher one of the most watched movies in SZ to understand this bigotry.

Oh how convenient, Swiss are perfect so lets hate some poor immigrants, always bullying the weaker and the needy ones. Of course, that's a nation that has never had to fight for anything in its existence.

The prejudice that you speak of did not need Thaci to brew. Apparently spoiled Swiss need a scapegoat to justify any negativity in their society.

Why dont you speak of the vast hard working majority of young and vital albanians whose taxes are bankrolling much of the social security programs that can't be financed by the aging population of Switzerland.

Only a fool does not understand that it is not the Albanians who commit crime, but the poverty. Albanians are not the first nor the last ones to suffer form this and the image that comes with it.

And guess who K-alb should thank first and foremost for the economic position they are in, yeah you got it....your beloved Serbia.

Further, as a more developed and rich country instead of being wise in helping the regional progress you prefer to gossip and badmouth one side or the other, like old women. How immature.

That is why you will always need US to baby you around.

Denis- the racist card is becoming really tiresome. To still feel cheated after all the help you have had from the West, and then bad mouth your staunchest supporters, shows a lack of intelligence and manners.

So Thaci studied muhajadin way of fighting? I m not an expert in military but i m keen on these things myself, i would have done the same...Serbian armored vehicles and helicopters were same as russians use in afganistan, and maybe their tactics as well, consequently a badly trained and poorly armed resistance would have to practise measures that had been successful in previous battlefields....''if you know the enemy and yourself, you may not fear the result of hundred battles''''if you know yourself, but not your enemy, for avery victory gained you will also suffer a defeat''...''if you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle...'' ..taught us the chinese 3000 years ago...a kamikaze , for instance, is not an islamic thing, it is japanaze, but the concept of kamikaza has existed in all asian warrior cultures anyway, in west they are known as bersekters...chinese and japanese and asians in general are impressive in military. In my opinion, what a western country must never do, is go to a frontal war with an asiatic country...had US not droped the a bombs, the ww2 would still be going on in japan...the reason Russia is succesful is because it adopted asian mentallity in warfare...

"I have studied the Israeli tactics into eliminating unwanted and dangerous people to state of Israel and they do it very profesional apart from killing Marocan waiter in Norway.

Albanians got independence due to stupidity of Milosevic, nothing else. W
(Assassin, 10 January 2011 18:34)"

Yes the Israelis despite being a democracy and funded by the US have no hesitation in using secret methods to achieve state interests. Even now I wonder why after all these years that Thacy has not been apprehended, thrown into a trunk, and sent for trial in Serbia. Perhaps as an extremist, he is being used for political purposes. Even though Rugova was a traitor as much as Thacy is, he was a thorn in the side of Serbia because of his image as a peacenik. Thacy is viewed as a thug, even more so now, and perhaps there is some political capital to be won from that fact.

What rubbish. Who are all these Albanians who wanted an investigation when this news broke out? Most Albanians started defending him right from the beginning. Please do tell me who were these Albanians requesting an investigation? Maybe just you and one or two others at most.
(peggy, 10 January 2011)

Peggy why do you always tend to be so extreme in almost every discussion? I won't deny that my comments tend to be very extreme at times when my emotions take the best of me but there are times when I try to be rational.

There was only one Kososvar Albanian here who denied the allegations from the start, the commenter who goes by KOSOVA USA, of whom I'm sure as I recall it vividly and perhaps PRN of whom I'm not so sure. It was clearly Thaci supporters, who are not a majotiry of Kosovar Albanians to begin with.

All the Albanains from Albania and the rest fo Kosovar Albanians called for an investigation. But then you have allegations like the ones from the anonymous Serb woman who allegedly was in Tirana and foolishly claimed Sali Berisha was Albania's president at the time. It was clear to me then that there was concerted effort to discredt the Albanian cause.

I beleieve Thaci is an EU puppet and am sure that there are things in his past that the Europeans use as a leverage against him. That's why I support Kurti (jailed by Milosevic during the '98 war) who is squeky clean and has the people's best interest at heart.

"Only a fool does not understand that it is not the Albanians who commit crime, but the poverty. Albanians are not the first nor the last ones to suffer form this and the image that comes with it. "
(Denis, 10 January 2011 20:53)

It's never THE ALBANIANS who commit crime, but it's a group of Albanians and its criminal leaders. Exactly that's what Marty has summed up in his report. Looks like you are brainwashed, too, by Thaci's propaganda that the report is "anti albanian" and made by an "anti-independence network". Like The Swiss said, it's these criminals that shed a bad light on all Albanians. And be sure, these guys DON'T live in poverty, but the very opposite. Go and watch the nice houses of Thaci and his buddies in Pristina. Hasn't there been a list published recently about the money and property Kosovo politicians own?

had US not droped the a bombs, the ww2 would still be going on in japan...
(iliri, 10 January 2011 17:39)
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You are seriously one clueless person.
It is widely known that Japan was going to surrender before the bomb but the Yanks wanted to try out their creation.
Please stop reading Albanian papers only and switch to something more credible.

I read the article, the entire one from Le Temps. It actually shows him in very good light: great student, just rumors, tracked by secret services that found no dirt on him.

Terrorists belonging to a nation with a history of being tools for foreign conquerors was trained In a country with a proud history of independence. A sad day for the Swiss

"He was closely monitored by intelligence agencies of several European countries after he finally moved to Kosovo due to very serious allegations – he was accused of organizing murders of his rivals, the daily stressed."

What an innocent gentleman he is! Every country (or non-country) has the politicians they deserve!

The World's first "legitimated" Liberation Army proven to be financed on the most part by drug money.

"What an innocent gentleman he is! Every country (or non-country) has the politicians they deserve!"

Read your entire post (with the citation) and see what's wrong with your answer.

Btw, this Swiss thing is nothing new, this was all known to everyone. Frankly it shows Thaci much smarter than I thought he was. Remember one thing: This Marty thing will backfire since there's no evidence and it didn't happen, Thaci can retire tomorrow but Kosova's a done deal. Not because of Thaci, but because Western Powers have invested so much in Kosova and they know how Kosova was before the war. Propaganda has a short life shelf

Milosevic prepared MUP and SNA how to commit genocide in Belgrade.

"He took my classes on mujahidin war in Afghanistan. He used their combat mechanisms for his own war,"

Wait, Serbs say the CIA and/or al-Qaeda and/or Albanian army taught him and those around him those things. Now we hear he just learned them at school? in Switzerland?

Peggy, when Milosevic bombed other people and countrys you(serb people) supported him. When your self got bombed then you turned your back on him and sold him out. Milosevic was sold out by his own people wich before supported him that's it. He was not sold out because he hurt other people. Serbs are not that kind wanting to save bosniaks,croats and albanians.


Reamember that Milosevic was a representative of the serbian people wich elected him as president. The serbian people and the nation should be responsible for his wrongdoings.

What are these guys expecting for these guys to cross their arms while their families and people were butchered by the regime of Slobodan Miloshevic? Is that because this is the Swiss way of doing things? Well that is not the Albanian way and I do not believe any way of any sound person in this planet. I know that in "a democratic society" like in Swiss someone can get away with murder because "according to law criminals rights prevail" towards the ordinary and decent citizens.

So what you're saying is the Serbs deserved Milosevic. I feel so bad the Hague took him away from you guys, he could still be your president today.

R.I.P. Slobo.
(Zoti, 8 January 2011 20:16)
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Serbs rallied against him and the rest is history.
You guys are all standing behind this thug defending him.
What say you now?

The light of truth is finally starting to shine on some America's closest puppets.

"He took my classes on mujahidin war in Afghanistan. He used their combat mechanisms for his own war,"

Interesting that those classes are tought in Switzerland. I thought, usually, terrorists go directly to Afghanistan or Pakistan to receive the training there?

Wait, Serbs say the CIA and/or al-Qaeda and/or Albanian army taught him and those around him those things. Now we hear he just learned them at school? in Switzerland?
(KU, 8 January 2011 17:08)

You have not heard of theory part and practical part? He learned very well theory in Switzerland and practical part in Albania from Al Qaida. Americans help them too, as they were always saying that KLA is NATO infantry.

What an innocent gentleman he is! Every country (or non-country) has the politicians they deserve!
(Top, 8 January 2011)

So what you're saying is the Serbs deserved Milosevic. I feel so bad the Hague took him away from you guys, he could still be your president today.

R.I.P. Slobo.

I am dying to read a response from swiss, or for that matter anybody from die hard serb camp.
(Agim Kelmendi, 8 January 2011 19:43)

And what a response should I give. I did learn at school in Switzerland about the 1st and 2nd world wars, like I learn during my military service about the soviet tactics and weaponery!
So, nothing surprising, it's part of our education, you know education...
What is however not very good is that this article is making the first page of le Temps, one of the most read newspaper in Switzerland, so, your angel just put some more dirt on kosovo image, and this, I believe, should be your primary concern..

Nice article I like Thaci even more now while my admiration for KLA is high to the stars.

Thanks to the daily also for offering their facilities for our struggle for freedom.

"So what you're saying is the Serbs deserved Milosevic. I feel so bad the Hague took him away from you guys, he could still be your president today.

(Zoti, 8 January 2011 20:16)

Yes, I'm saying that. They elected him, and Serbs had to bear the consequences of his miserably failed politics, too, in the end, and enough Serbs still consider him a "hero", just like Albanians do with Thaci - the latter is still nowadays present in Kosovo's government, and that's the shame.

in fact,those who were dealing drug are your officers of your secret services ,who were active there!They even were condamned in Prishtina 1or 2 years before the war..you serbs have used drug as many arrestations in svizerland have proved it,all of them being officer of your sservices!Idem in deutchland!

"He took my classes on mujahidin war in Afghanistan. He used their combat mechanisms for his own war,"

Wait, Serbs say the CIA and/or al-Qaeda and/or Albanian army taught him and those around him those things. Now we hear he just learned them at school? in Switzerland?
(KU, 8 January 2011 17:08)

I am dying to read a response from swiss, or for that matter anybody from die hard serb camp.

BREAKING NEWS! I have something to reveal, something that will shock you all, I also have a ton of evidence. Are you ready? KLA had weapons! WEAPONS! Real weapon as ak47, and they shot Serb army with these weapons.Whaaaaaat? See, Albanians do not deserve to live, they had for God's sake WEAPONS!

For God's sake, it was a war. And you are on Thaqi now that he participated in a WAR? You sound like you're born tomorrow. People, the war took place between 1998-1999 between Albanians and Serbs in Kosovo. Thaqi was the leader of the Albanians. He was in the war! Why are you so surprised?

The World's first "legitimated" Liberation Army proven to be financed on the most part by drug money.
(Asterix, 8 January 2011 16:58)

Proven???... Haahaaa...
That is how Mr Marty did his report!!!

Here is how was writen:
“There were rumors that the KLA leaders were collecting money from heroin smuggling to buy military weapons which was intended for Kosovo,” the daily wrote.
RUMORS not PROVEN means GOSSIP.

like in Swiss someone can get away with murder because "according to law criminals rights prevail" towards the ordinary and decent citizens.
(EA, 8 January 2011 20:41)

Mr EA, it would be nice from you to re-phrase/clarify your comments because it is rather confusing and frankly speaking un-understandable !

Well this is nothing new. We always knew that there is big support in US Europe and Russia for Serbia.

But this time propaganda will not succeed as in 19th century. We have Jewish lobby in our side.

to the swiss and other:
You count on the fact that having a bad image in Switzerland will calm down albanians in kosovo? How naiv you are!
I just tell you,may be it will slow down some achievement but it will never stop our people,because it is not how swiss people regard us that matter,but how we live here in kosovo.And living under repression and serbian rules ,no thanks
We are used to antialbanian campains(i remember those of the mid 1990years)and we can manage them and triumph despite them because precisly "we are albanian" !The more youtry,the more you will help to unite albanians,
so just do it!

"The World's first "legitimated" Liberation Army proven to be financed on the most part by drug money."

Keep dreaming, only in USA $30 Million was raised in a matter of months by the diaspora, in Europe it reached hundreds of millions. Money was not an issue. Did some drug dealers contribute? I don't doubt it. No one had time to do background checks, even if they wanted to turn the money away.

(Hmmmm, 8 January 2011 14:50)

What about the part saying he should have had his asylum revoked because he broke the law by travelling to Kosovo.
I havent read the article but thats a minor peice of information I gathered from the B92 version.
So we see that even at an early stage he was prepared to brake the law, this in any normal country would make you ineligible for becoming a president.

If you read further "hmmmm" you might see allegations were made against him which could not be proven because he fled to Kosovo.

shows him in very good light: great student, just rumors, tracked by secret services that found no dirt on him.
(Hmmmm, 8 January 2011 14:50)

We must not have read the same article, indeed a good student studying the mudjadin war in afganistan and stopping after 1 year to get involved in the UCK creation.
For the rest of the article, not only remours, his visa was refused in 2002 and a "no comment" whether he was a person non grata for a short period ! A lot of people mentioned in Mr Marty's reports for alledged involvement in criminal activities are also shown in this article with refusal of visas and entries in Switzerland!
As to the rest, it is known in Switzerland that he was raising funds for the KLA and a lot of "pressure" was put on the diaspora to fund his activities.
So bottom line he you want to comment on the article, pls make sure that you mention all and not only that he was a good studend, which at the end was a cover up for his criminal activities...

What surprises me is that Serbia did not send an UDBA type of team to terminate the snake and his terrorists wherever they may be on this planet. I love the story of how stalin sent an assassin to remove tito but the plan was foiled and the would-be assassin was caught. Tito sent stalin a brief response that if he decides to send one of his own from the UDBA, that he will not miss! Stalin heeded the warning because he knew who he was dealing with. Serbia was successor to vast special forces and resources as successor to jugoslavija and its a shame that those skills were not used at an early stage.

Yes, KU, he got combat lessons entirely from books. Give me a break.

After reading and posting for years on the B92 site I now realize we will never have an agreement between Albanians and Serbs regarding Kosovo. Albanians clearly see the world one way and Serbs clearly see the world another way. No matter what the criticism against Albanians, they won't believe it. So sad. No matter what the evidence against them, they find a way to turn it against the accuser. That's even more sad. They will never be successful in an honest world without corruption. Corruption can work well if you want to live a dark life. However, in the West, corruption doesn't work. Actually, my Albanian readers, it doesn't work in the US. I beg you to try to function through corruption in the US and see where that leads you. Go for it. You'll find yourself some guy's "girlfriend" in jail.

Is this a quality of a leader who Albanians want to rule them? The true colors of the "snake" is being reveal now.

I hope his western backers / sponsors will be finally shaken and have a second look on the Kosovo UDI.

"I read the article, the entire one from Le Temps. It actually shows him in very good light: great student, just rumors, tracked by secret services that found no dirt on him."
(Hmmmm, 8 January 2011 14:50)

Oh, leaving unversity after 1 year, violating the asylum laws, and even being supervised by the secret service makes a person "shine in good light" in Kosovo? Well, that explains a lot.

why are some posters insisting on asking e-alb posters on the B92 website to 'play fair' or to 'stop minimising albanian crimes'? are you dumb or what? It's obvious most of these people are just here to make propaganda for PDK - they are most likely on the government payroll and getting paid (badly) for their efforts. Don't feed the trolls!

"What the heck are you talking about, am not counting on anything.... if having a bad image because of a few criminals makes you feel better, then be my guest, I counldn't care less ! I suggest you then not to join any civilization, it is pointless..."
(The Swiss, 9 January 2011 22:17)

You have to understand the mentality of Kosovars. After I read a comment yesterday that, for (some?) Albanians, Thaci is shining in a good light because he studied in Switzerland (for one year), violated asylum laws and was observed by the intelligence agency. Well, in mafia clans, everyone has to admire the Godfather.

For God's sake, it was a war. And you are on Thaqi now that he participated in a WAR? You sound like you're born tomorrow. People, the war took place between 1998-1999 between Albanians and Serbs in Kosovo. Thaqi was the leader of the Albanians. He was in the war! Why are you so surprised?
(fez, 8 January 2011 23:17)
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Nobody is surprised about killings in the war. It's to be expected and in a civil war there is always more brutality and crime but what we are all shocked about is that a human being can purposely extract organs from innocent people for profit.
That even during a war is evil.

And everyone is shocked that Serbs had an army who fought against three opponents. Not one but three. So you tell me then who was paying the biggest price and still holding their own well until NATO happened? Serbian leaders were true and brave leaders. You would not expect any less from them in the time of war.
See how you don't want Thaci blamed because all he was doing was waging a war against the Serbs but you blame every Serb for being in the same war.
Hypocritical.

the horrible image that you have abroad because of guys like the snake and his gang.
Just go to Switzerland and start asking in the street what they think about the kosovars and you will see that their image is extremely negative and that the association with drug trafficking will come out most of the time.
Whether it is justified, this is another question, but certainly there is a ground for the people to mention it.
Don't forget there was not long ago another article in the same newspaper stating that the heroin trade in Switzerland is being controlled by the kosovars and albanians and this statement came from the Geneva prosecutors. He certainly has fact to make such a serious statement!!
My point is and remain the same, kosovo has already an horrible image and what happend lately with your angel thaci is simply dragging further kosovo in the dirt and will in no way help it!
Like Feith said, it is about time that kosovo gets a credible governement...
But of course, this is at the end upto to you guys....
(The Swiss, 9 January 2011 13:30)

If you go in the streets of Switzerland and ask about any minority they will tell you the same thing, weren't you doing the same with Italians only 50 yrs ago? In fact Swiss went so far to create a political anti-italian party? Go watch Die Schweizermacher one of the most watched movies in SZ to understand this bigotry.

Oh how convenient, Swiss are perfect so lets hate some poor immigrants, always bullying the weaker and the needy ones. Of course, that's a nation that has never had to fight for anything in its existence.

The prejudice that you speak of did not need Thaci to brew. Apparently spoiled Swiss need a scapegoat to justify any negativity in their society.

Why dont you speak of the vast hard working majority of young and vital albanians whose taxes are bankrolling much of the social security programs that can't be financed by the aging population of Switzerland.

Only a fool does not understand that it is not the Albanians who commit crime, but the poverty. Albanians are not the first nor the last ones to suffer form this and the image that comes with it.

And guess who K-alb should thank first and foremost for the economic position they are in, yeah you got it....your beloved Serbia.

Further, as a more developed and rich country instead of being wise in helping the regional progress you prefer to gossip and badmouth one side or the other, like old women. How immature.

That is why you will always need US to baby you around.

"Military strategy expert, Professor Albert Stahel remembers Thaci as a “very cautious student”. "

"comme d’un élève «très attentif»."

think it can be considered dirt. It seems more objective than most of what we've seen lately.
(Amer, 8 January 2011 23:52)

Of course I read it, moreover french is my native language, so I guess I can understand all...
But you are right it is the least, let's say, negative that this guy had lately, however for however reads it in Switzerland, where it was at the end published, they will say "ach again these kosovars", unfortunately it is the sad truth that you, guys seem to underestimate largely, the horrible image that you have abroad because of guys like the snake and his gang.
Just go to Switzerland and start asking in the street what they think about the kosovars and you will see that their image is extremely negative and that the association with drug trafficking will come out most of the time.
Whether it is justified, this is another question, but certainly there is a ground for the people to mention it.
Don't forget there was not long ago another article in the same newspaper stating that the heroin trade in Switzerland is being controlled by the kosovars and albanians and this statement came from the Geneva prosecutors. He certainly has fact to make such a serious statement!!
My point is and remain the same, kosovo has already an horrible image and what happend lately with your angel thaci is simply dragging further kosovo in the dirt and will in no way help it!
Like Feith said, it is about time that kosovo gets a credible governement...
But of course, this is at the end upto to you guys....

(fez, 8 January 2011 23:17)

Thaci was in a war, a war he could not win without at least 500 NATO aircraft.

It wasnt only Albanian Diaspora in Switzerland that helped the resistence to regime from Belgrade.
Most of the money and the weapons were brought from US, with the help of US Government back channels.
At the end Serbian Army and Police and paramilitary were forced out of Kosovo, rightfully so!!!
This is all sour grapes, my serb friends.
Kosovo is gone forever. It would be good if Serbia recognises Kosovo , so it can have good relations with its neighbour, so serbs could go and visit their monasteries, and relatives. Serbia should allow the economic exchange with Kosovo, it can only be positive. As far as negotiations, that are pending, there are certain things that will not be discussed. Partition, I dont think so.......
Cheers

"Kosovo, War and Revenge" by Tim Juddah is a good reading for people to know how the KLA started and how Thaci started and a lot of other very interesting stuff about the funding of the KLA and the war.

Serbs rallied against him and the rest is history. You guys are all standing behind this thug defending him.
What say you now?
(Peggy, 8 January 2011)

Most Albanians, myself included, called for an investigation when the allegations first came out. Then no evidence was brought forth by Marty or any other party. Now most Albanians think this was just part of a smear campaign by certain groups not interested in an independent Kosova.

Also Serbia was bombed for 78 days because of Milosevic that's why you got rid of him. Like someone mentioned it before when he was wreaking havic in Bosnia, Croatia and Ksoova he had the support of all of Serbia.

When Prishtina gets bombed because of Thaci we'll get rid of him. So far he's only brought independence.

And I'm not saying this as a Thaci supporter, I'm in the Albin Kurti camp.

triumph despite them because precisly "we are albanian" !The more youtry,the more you will help to unite albanians,
so just do it!
(lili, 9 January 2011 14:18)

What the heck are you talking about, am not counting on anything.... if having a bad image because of a few criminals makes you feel better, then be my guest, I counldn't care less ! I suggest you then not to join any civilization, it is pointless...

Zoti states:

"Most Albanians, myself included, called for an investigation when the allegations first came out. Then no evidence was brought forth by Marty or any other party. Now most Albanians think this was just part of a smear campaign by certain groups not interested in an independent Kosova."
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What rubbish. Who are all these Albanians who wanted an investigation when this news broke out? Most Albanians started defending him right from the beginning. Please do tell me who were these Albanians requesting an investigation?
Maybe just you and one or two others at most.

"What is however not very good is that this article is making the first page of le Temps, one of the most read newspaper in Switzerland, so, your angel just put some more dirt on kosovo image, and this, I believe, should be your primary concern..
(The Swiss, 8 January 2011 21:27) "


Did you read the article?There's information, but I don't think it can be considered dirt. It seems more objective than most of what we've seen lately.

"Only a fool does not understand that it is not the Albanians who commit crime, but the poverty. Albanians are not the first nor the last ones to suffer form this and the image that comes with it. "
(Denis, 10 January 2011 20:53)

It's never THE ALBANIANS who commit crime, but it's a group of Albanians and its criminal leaders. Exactly that's what Marty has summed up in his report. Looks like you are brainwashed, too, by Thaci's propaganda that the report is "anti albanian" and made by an "anti-independence network". Like The Swiss said, it's these criminals that shed a bad light on all Albanians. And be sure, these guys DON'T live in poverty, but the very opposite. Go and watch the nice houses of Thaci and his buddies in Pristina. Hasn't there been a list published recently about the money and property Kosovo politicians own?

"Top" below me has unleashed a hell of a point, you should read it

So Thaci studied muhajadin way of fighting? I m not an expert in military but i m keen on these things myself, i would have done the same...Serbian armored vehicles and helicopters were same as russians use in afganistan, and maybe their tactics as well, consequently a badly trained and poorly armed resistance would have to practise measures that had been successful in previous battlefields....''if you know the enemy and yourself, you may not fear the result of hundred battles''''if you know yourself, but not your enemy, for avery victory gained you will also suffer a defeat''...''if you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle...'' ..taught us the chinese 3000 years ago...a kamikaze , for instance, is not an islamic thing, it is japanaze, but the concept of kamikaza has existed in all asian warrior cultures anyway, in west they are known as bersekters...chinese and japanese and asians in general are impressive in military. In my opinion, what a western country must never do, is go to a frontal war with an asiatic country...had US not droped the a bombs, the ww2 would still be going on in japan...the reason Russia is succesful is because it adopted asian mentallity in warfare...

What surprises me is that Serbia did not send an UDBA type of team to terminate the snake and his terrorists wherever they may be on this planet. I love the story of how stalin sent an assassin to remove tito but the plan was foiled and the would-be assassin was caught. Tito sent stalin a brief response that if he decides to send one of his own from the UDBA, that he will not miss! Stalin heeded the warning because he knew who he was dealing with. Serbia was successor to vast special forces and resources as successor to jugoslavija and its a shame that those skills were not used at an early stage.
(tesla, 8 January 2011 23:59)

Because we had stupid leader Milosevic. I have studied the Israeli tactics into eliminating unwanted and dangerous people to state of Israel and they do it very profesional apart from killing Marocan waiter in Norway.

Albanians got independence due to stupidity of Milosevic, nothing else. W

Well done Thaci.

Keep up the good work.

had US not droped the a bombs, the ww2 would still be going on in japan...
(iliri, 10 January 2011 17:39)

This just prove the way you think. For you anything is allowed like removing organs and selling in order to win war?

Denis- the racist card is becoming really tiresome. To still feel cheated after all the help you have had from the West, and then bad mouth your staunchest supporters, shows a lack of intelligence and manners.

"I have studied the Israeli tactics into eliminating unwanted and dangerous people to state of Israel and they do it very profesional apart from killing Marocan waiter in Norway.

Albanians got independence due to stupidity of Milosevic, nothing else. W
(Assassin, 10 January 2011 18:34)"

Yes the Israelis despite being a democracy and funded by the US have no hesitation in using secret methods to achieve state interests. Even now I wonder why after all these years that Thacy has not been apprehended, thrown into a trunk, and sent for trial in Serbia. Perhaps as an extremist, he is being used for political purposes. Even though Rugova was a traitor as much as Thacy is, he was a thorn in the side of Serbia because of his image as a peacenik. Thacy is viewed as a thug, even more so now, and perhaps there is some political capital to be won from that fact.

had US not droped the a bombs, the ww2 would still be going on in japan...
(iliri, 10 January 2011 17:39)
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You are seriously one clueless person.
It is widely known that Japan was going to surrender before the bomb but the Yanks wanted to try out their creation.
Please stop reading Albanian papers only and switch to something more credible.

What rubbish. Who are all these Albanians who wanted an investigation when this news broke out? Most Albanians started defending him right from the beginning. Please do tell me who were these Albanians requesting an investigation? Maybe just you and one or two others at most.
(peggy, 10 January 2011)

Peggy why do you always tend to be so extreme in almost every discussion? I won't deny that my comments tend to be very extreme at times when my emotions take the best of me but there are times when I try to be rational.

There was only one Kososvar Albanian here who denied the allegations from the start, the commenter who goes by KOSOVA USA, of whom I'm sure as I recall it vividly and perhaps PRN of whom I'm not so sure. It was clearly Thaci supporters, who are not a majotiry of Kosovar Albanians to begin with.

All the Albanains from Albania and the rest fo Kosovar Albanians called for an investigation. But then you have allegations like the ones from the anonymous Serb woman who allegedly was in Tirana and foolishly claimed Sali Berisha was Albania's president at the time. It was clear to me then that there was concerted effort to discredt the Albanian cause.

I beleieve Thaci is an EU puppet and am sure that there are things in his past that the Europeans use as a leverage against him. That's why I support Kurti (jailed by Milosevic during the '98 war) who is squeky clean and has the people's best interest at heart.

A case where "the end always justifies the means".
People we are talking about the Balkans - and in that context , nobody can point a righteous finger at anybody else. Every single nation , without exeption , when confronted with strong and deadly opposition to their goal of "freedom" or "liberation" always responded with a victory "at any cost" reply. Be it the US in Americas war of independence , England in WW2 , the Serbs in BH (later to form RS) , Croats in their war of independence or Albanians today.

Limited options will ALWAYS dilute the strength of any moral argument - ALWAYS. We all know this.
Why is any person here sounding so condescending ,your own kin "Serbs , Croats , Albanians , Bosnians whoever" have all done the exact same thing. Lets remeber , one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. Every single nation in the Balkans , bar none, is full of their own freedom fighters and terrorists. Now stop being so childish , start being honest with each other and lets move on.
No wonder the rest of the world rolls their eyes when they hear of trouble in the balkans!