Council of Europe: Witnesses in Kosovo risk their lives

Jean-Charles Gardetto, another member of the 'anti-independece network'. And again, the CoE - this Serbo-Russian institution which is against Kosovo and all Albanians ;-)

How long will it take until Thaci will insul... eh.. answer to that?

'We want evidence' cry the Albanian posters. Bit difficult wouldn't you say if the KLA are going to keep bumping off witnesses.

Why do you think Marty is keeping his evidence quiet? Why do you think he isn't mentioning names? Have you worked it out yet, my evidence demanding friends? ready.... NO WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAMME, WITNESSES DIE.

And lets not forget that UN officials and the Quintet are implicated, so any EULEX protection programme would be flawed.

The article sums at up in the land where there is no law and order and a "good doer" will most likely pay the price!

Solving these problems should start with removing thaci and his croonies ASAP.And stopping the flow of funds from USA and EU.
Most of the neighbor countries are putting a stop to drug cartel as we could see these past few weeks.And they will strat eating their own in no time.
Not like they are not doing it already-but it`s mostly defendless kids in albania,and with medicus case nearing end most of the heroes of kla will talk just to survive.

there is no witnessess in Kosova
(Agim Kelmendi, 5 January 2011 17:59)

This is probably correct because people need at least one kidney to live.

Jean-Charles Gardetto ... First I though he's from Switzerland, too - just like Marty. But he's from Monaco. Hmm, in this case, Thaci should better from insulting him, otherwise it could be bad for Kosovo's mobile phones ;-)

"there is no witnessess in Kosova..."
(Agim Kelmendi, 5 January 2011 17:59)

In the independent dream state of Kosovo, they are called 'collaborators' and will be put on a list, like the famous 'Marty's helpers list'. So, yes, you are right, there is no such thing as witnesses.

Mmmh, how come that these things always remind me more of mafia clan structures and not of an European (wannabe) country?

I would feel completely ashamed if this happened in Serbia proper to the extent it happens in Kosovo.

In fact the national interest has to be laid to one side when it comes to protecting people who are only telling the truth.

I will not provide an alibi for those involved in (organised) crime and have something to hide. I hope that some Kosovo Albanians at least will agree with me.

In it, PACE Rapporteur Jean-Charles Gardetto said that there is no adequate witness protection in Kosovo and that those who decide to come forward risk much, even their lives

there is no witnessess in Kosova, unless he is talking about two gypsies that are living comftarbaly in Germany and they have seen nothing, but they think they have heard something. Good luck with your false witnessess.

Looking at the k-trolls comments here it looks like soon the entire COE crew will be linked to milosevic propangada, fsb agent, agent provocator, anti k-a, anti snake, anti.... why not thinking logically for just one second that maybe, yes maybe these people are simply doing their job, and maybe, yes maybe there really are some serious problems to be addressed in kosovo.....
Wouldn't want to be around when the s*** will really hit the fan...

Here's a link to a draft of the report http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/NewsManager/EMB_NewsManagerView.asp?ID=5697

Strange - in Montenegro there was an unsuccessful assassination attempt on a witness, a witness in Serbia left the protection program and was killed (para. 130), and yet the report doesn't mention them in summarizing problems in the region. Just Kosovo. Also strange how the Kosovo papers publish the parts critical of Kosovo, and the Serbian papers publish the parts critical of Kosovo. 3rd - why does he claim that witnesses against Haradinaj were killed when the Hague denied it?

One problem - under international agreements, when a foreign nation agrees to host a witness under witness protection programs, the original country is responsible for paying all costs. In Kosovo and BiH, where the problem is greatest, this is clearly out of the question. The international community has a role to play here that it's not playing. Promising reluctant witnesses that they and their family will be supported in Sweden or America would open a lot of mouths. You have to hope, to tell the truth.

Go Serbs! The truth has to go out! Time is on your side....ppl who still other ppl land and country, kill them, destroy their churches has to be put in to the wright place!... western country are starting to understand what REALLY happen in Kosova (the ones that are not collaborator to that shame), and to tell you the truth, I was one of them who believed everything that media in my country sad about Kosova ....now I know that Kosova is Mafia imaginary semi-country, created by USA/Germany in order to achieve easy transport of narcotic/human organs ...SHAME ON YOU NATO for letting this happen!

Jean-Charles Gardetto, another member of the 'anti-independece network'. And again, the CoE - this Serbo-Russian institution which is against Kosovo and all Albanians ;-)

How long will it take until Thaci will insul... eh.. answer to that?
(Top, 5 January 2011 17:20)
Sometimes it is better to go to the horses mouth before speaking as this could result in fewer unintelligent remarks.
The following is an actual quote from the CoE website:

"referring in his report to people who had been murdered in Kosovo just as they were about to give evidence, the threats to and intimidation of witnesses in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and the disclosure of the identity of protected witnesses in Croatia and Serbia. “It is urgent to protect witnesses since valuable testimonies...."

"Sometimes it is better to go to the horses mouth before speaking as this could result in fewer unintelligent remarks.
The following is an actual quote from the CoE website: "
(pss, 5 January 2011 21:06)

Thanks for pointing out! Even more, on the website, you can download the full report. An intersting read! Yes, it mentions all EX-YU countries and provinces. If you read closer, in theory, all countries have witness protection programs. Except: '127. There is no Witness Protection Law in Kosovo. " Murdered witnesses in war crimes cases are only mentioned for Kosovo, in Serbia, a witness agaisnt a mafia clan was killed.

And it mentions the general problem, which cannot be solved by any law:

129. ....Witnesses are often perceived as betraying their community when they give evidence, which inhibits possible witnesses from coming forward. Furthermore, many people do not believe that they have a moral or legal duty to testify as a witness in criminal cases."

Funny, because exactly that you can find here with 95% of the Albanians defending their criminals and denying.

Worth to mention is (for all the persons who claim that 'there are no witnesses' or 'nobody has been murdered'=

130. Moreover, where a witness does come forward, there is a real threat of retaliation. This may not
necessarily put them in direct danger, losing their job for example, but there are also examples of key
witnesses being murdered. The trial of Ramush Haradinaj, the former leader of the Kosovo Liberation Army,
illustrates this. ...

Why you people do not write about Serbia part in the raport because it does not talk only about Kosovo. almost identical problem has Serbia. typical propaganda but not expected from B92

Did you read that the people named are alive and have never been Hague witnesses. This report was written in Belgrade with Moscow's money

"...there is no adequate witness protection in Kosovo and that those who decide to come forward risk much, even their lives."

Take them to Serbia and grant them "political asylum"....

I guess nobody really read the report. In Serbia it seems like the WPU (Witness Protection Units) include members of the Red Berets, paramilitary war criminals. How fitting for Serbia!

"I will not provide an alibi for those involved in (organised) crime and have something to hide.I will not provide an alibi for those involved in (organised) crime and have something to hide. I hope that some Kosovo Albanians at least will agree with me.."
Bganon..I as Albanian from Kosovo fully agree with u,thorough investigations should be carried out,the same should be aplied in Serbia proper too.Remember there are some two thousands dead Albanian bodies there(Serbia).I will not provide an alibi for those involved in (organised) crime and have something to hide. I hope that some Serbians at least will agree with me.
Cheers.

(Top, 6 January 2011 09:06)
By chance did you read any of the section dedicated to Serbia? I believe you want to keep that hush-hush, as it defeats your purpose.
Such as Witnesses are protected by many who are suspected of war crimes (former red berets), and witnesses have changed their testimony due to intimidation by the WPU itself.

In it, PACE Rapporteur Jean-Charles Gardetto said that there is no adequate witness protection in Kosovo and that those who decide to come forward risk much, even their lives

there is no witnessess in Kosova, unless he is talking about two gypsies that are living comftarbaly in Germany and they have seen nothing, but they think they have heard something. Good luck with your false witnessess.

Why you people do not write about Serbia part in the raport because it does not talk only about Kosovo. almost identical problem has Serbia. typical propaganda but not expected from B92

"...there is no adequate witness protection in Kosovo and that those who decide to come forward risk much, even their lives."

Take them to Serbia and grant them "political asylum"....

Here's a link to a draft of the report http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/NewsManager/EMB_NewsManagerView.asp?ID=5697

Strange - in Montenegro there was an unsuccessful assassination attempt on a witness, a witness in Serbia left the protection program and was killed (para. 130), and yet the report doesn't mention them in summarizing problems in the region. Just Kosovo. Also strange how the Kosovo papers publish the parts critical of Kosovo, and the Serbian papers publish the parts critical of Kosovo. 3rd - why does he claim that witnesses against Haradinaj were killed when the Hague denied it?

One problem - under international agreements, when a foreign nation agrees to host a witness under witness protection programs, the original country is responsible for paying all costs. In Kosovo and BiH, where the problem is greatest, this is clearly out of the question. The international community has a role to play here that it's not playing. Promising reluctant witnesses that they and their family will be supported in Sweden or America would open a lot of mouths. You have to hope, to tell the truth.

Jean-Charles Gardetto, another member of the 'anti-independece network'. And again, the CoE - this Serbo-Russian institution which is against Kosovo and all Albanians ;-)

How long will it take until Thaci will insul... eh.. answer to that?
(Top, 5 January 2011 17:20)
Sometimes it is better to go to the horses mouth before speaking as this could result in fewer unintelligent remarks.
The following is an actual quote from the CoE website:

"referring in his report to people who had been murdered in Kosovo just as they were about to give evidence, the threats to and intimidation of witnesses in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and the disclosure of the identity of protected witnesses in Croatia and Serbia. “It is urgent to protect witnesses since valuable testimonies...."

Jean-Charles Gardetto, another member of the 'anti-independece network'. And again, the CoE - this Serbo-Russian institution which is against Kosovo and all Albanians ;-)

How long will it take until Thaci will insul... eh.. answer to that?

Go Serbs! The truth has to go out! Time is on your side....ppl who still other ppl land and country, kill them, destroy their churches has to be put in to the wright place!... western country are starting to understand what REALLY happen in Kosova (the ones that are not collaborator to that shame), and to tell you the truth, I was one of them who believed everything that media in my country sad about Kosova ....now I know that Kosova is Mafia imaginary semi-country, created by USA/Germany in order to achieve easy transport of narcotic/human organs ...SHAME ON YOU NATO for letting this happen!

there is no witnessess in Kosova
(Agim Kelmendi, 5 January 2011 17:59)

This is probably correct because people need at least one kidney to live.

'We want evidence' cry the Albanian posters. Bit difficult wouldn't you say if the KLA are going to keep bumping off witnesses.

Why do you think Marty is keeping his evidence quiet? Why do you think he isn't mentioning names? Have you worked it out yet, my evidence demanding friends? ready.... NO WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAMME, WITNESSES DIE.

And lets not forget that UN officials and the Quintet are implicated, so any EULEX protection programme would be flawed.

I would feel completely ashamed if this happened in Serbia proper to the extent it happens in Kosovo.

In fact the national interest has to be laid to one side when it comes to protecting people who are only telling the truth.

I will not provide an alibi for those involved in (organised) crime and have something to hide. I hope that some Kosovo Albanians at least will agree with me.

I guess nobody really read the report. In Serbia it seems like the WPU (Witness Protection Units) include members of the Red Berets, paramilitary war criminals. How fitting for Serbia!

The article sums at up in the land where there is no law and order and a "good doer" will most likely pay the price!

"Sometimes it is better to go to the horses mouth before speaking as this could result in fewer unintelligent remarks.
The following is an actual quote from the CoE website: "
(pss, 5 January 2011 21:06)

Thanks for pointing out! Even more, on the website, you can download the full report. An intersting read! Yes, it mentions all EX-YU countries and provinces. If you read closer, in theory, all countries have witness protection programs. Except: '127. There is no Witness Protection Law in Kosovo. " Murdered witnesses in war crimes cases are only mentioned for Kosovo, in Serbia, a witness agaisnt a mafia clan was killed.

And it mentions the general problem, which cannot be solved by any law:

129. ....Witnesses are often perceived as betraying their community when they give evidence, which inhibits possible witnesses from coming forward. Furthermore, many people do not believe that they have a moral or legal duty to testify as a witness in criminal cases."

Funny, because exactly that you can find here with 95% of the Albanians defending their criminals and denying.

Worth to mention is (for all the persons who claim that 'there are no witnesses' or 'nobody has been murdered'=

130. Moreover, where a witness does come forward, there is a real threat of retaliation. This may not
necessarily put them in direct danger, losing their job for example, but there are also examples of key
witnesses being murdered. The trial of Ramush Haradinaj, the former leader of the Kosovo Liberation Army,
illustrates this. ...

Solving these problems should start with removing thaci and his croonies ASAP.And stopping the flow of funds from USA and EU.
Most of the neighbor countries are putting a stop to drug cartel as we could see these past few weeks.And they will strat eating their own in no time.
Not like they are not doing it already-but it`s mostly defendless kids in albania,and with medicus case nearing end most of the heroes of kla will talk just to survive.

Jean-Charles Gardetto ... First I though he's from Switzerland, too - just like Marty. But he's from Monaco. Hmm, in this case, Thaci should better from insulting him, otherwise it could be bad for Kosovo's mobile phones ;-)

"there is no witnessess in Kosova..."
(Agim Kelmendi, 5 January 2011 17:59)

In the independent dream state of Kosovo, they are called 'collaborators' and will be put on a list, like the famous 'Marty's helpers list'. So, yes, you are right, there is no such thing as witnesses.

Mmmh, how come that these things always remind me more of mafia clan structures and not of an European (wannabe) country?

Looking at the k-trolls comments here it looks like soon the entire COE crew will be linked to milosevic propangada, fsb agent, agent provocator, anti k-a, anti snake, anti.... why not thinking logically for just one second that maybe, yes maybe these people are simply doing their job, and maybe, yes maybe there really are some serious problems to be addressed in kosovo.....
Wouldn't want to be around when the s*** will really hit the fan...

"I will not provide an alibi for those involved in (organised) crime and have something to hide.I will not provide an alibi for those involved in (organised) crime and have something to hide. I hope that some Kosovo Albanians at least will agree with me.."
Bganon..I as Albanian from Kosovo fully agree with u,thorough investigations should be carried out,the same should be aplied in Serbia proper too.Remember there are some two thousands dead Albanian bodies there(Serbia).I will not provide an alibi for those involved in (organised) crime and have something to hide. I hope that some Serbians at least will agree with me.
Cheers.

Did you read that the people named are alive and have never been Hague witnesses. This report was written in Belgrade with Moscow's money

(Top, 6 January 2011 09:06)
By chance did you read any of the section dedicated to Serbia? I believe you want to keep that hush-hush, as it defeats your purpose.
Such as Witnesses are protected by many who are suspected of war crimes (former red berets), and witnesses have changed their testimony due to intimidation by the WPU itself.