"Kosova will be playing in the UEFA qualifications for the 2022 WC in Qatar."
The only thing Kosova will be playing is when they have a sport called Killing for organs , then they will be number #1 in that category in everything else related to sport they stand no chance.
You can think independence as much as you like, but no EU and no UN recognition.
(sj, 6 January 2011 12:12)
I think you are a little bit confused. EU and UN are not in the business of recognition. That’s the business of individual states.
Yes China and Russia only have to veto in the Security Council and Kosovo is not in the UN. Ask the Palestinians.
(sj, 6 January 2011 12:12)
Yes, and then what ?! Even if we apply Serbia’s Constitution, Kosovo will not be in the UN, anyway !
2011 nothing changes for Kosovo; status quo.
(sj, 6 January 2011 12:12)
Well, as far as status goes, Albanians in Kosovo appear to be happy with the status quo compared to what Serbia’s Constitution offers. If Serbs are happy too, then it’s great. Everybody is happy and we have actually solved the Kosovo-Serbia issue.
How far has Kosovo’s moved since 1999? Not a millimeter – so why are we going to worry as we will keep you in that situations for ever boys. I think you have your dreams and nightmares mixed up. More pain on the way in 2011.
(sj, 6 January 2011 23:31)
Well, first of all, it has achieved the main goal; i.e. Serbia not being in charge (as Serbia itself recognizes when it says that UNMIK is in charge)…
How far has Kosovo’s moved since 1999? Not a millimeter – so why are we going to worry as we will keep you in that situations for ever boys. I think you have your dreams and nightmares mixed up. More pain on the way in 2011.
(sj, 6 January 2011)
As for how far we've moved since 1999, how about declaring independence for starters and getting rid of your kind forever. That's pretty big in my book.
Fascism is indeed a nightmare - but with very sober awakening.
(Je¿ faszystski, 6 January 2011)
Thanks but I'm a staunch atheist and I don't pay much attention to what old men with long beards and funny clothes and ridiculous hats have to say. If I saw him roaming the streets of NYC I'd think he's some homeless guy who's gone mad.
As for who's going to pay for this team don't worry about it, there are plenty of Kosovar Albanians playing in the European top leagues. Who's paying for your team? Surely it's not you it's the likes of Manchester United (Vidic) and Chelsea (Ivanovic) to bring two examples.
As for our dreams what can you do? We are a dreamy people but unlike you Serbs most of our dreams (your nightmares) come true.
(Zoti, 6 January 2011 15:52)
How far has Kosovo’s moved since 1999? Not a millimeter – so why are we going to worry as we will keep you in that situations for ever boys. I think you have your dreams and nightmares mixed up. More pain on the way in 2011.
You had the chance to work with Rugova for 17 years 1990-2007,and you choose to ignore or humiliate him,every chanse you had fisrt Milosevic and latter Kustunica.K-Alb elected Rugova till his death,and what did serbs?Nothing!Just kill his associase Agani,humiliate Rugova's family and ignore the elephant in the middle of the room.
Now that Rugova is dead you suddenly want him back in power?
(Mirel from Albania, 6 January 2011 15:41)
Milosevic saved Rugova's life along with his family from the KLA putting him under protective custody;
Rugova did not come back to Kosovo for a long period of time fearing for his life; he didnt' even stay in Albania during his exile.
Agani was killed by the KLA;
Continue to support the KLA bandits and terrorists like Thaci and more Albanian blood is going to be spilled.
If you want the best for the people of Kosovo, then better don't accuse Marty, and don't defend Thaci and his criminal and corrupt companions. The people in Kosovo would do better with honorable leaders, ministers and presidents, and not some people whose only merits and qualification seems to be having been a former KLA figher.
(Top, 6 January 2011 13:33)
I have said before that I do not believe Thaci is the person to lead Kosovo to a better future. I also have said I do not believe in organ harvesting but mainly based on I do not believe that large a scale operation could have existed in either war torn Kosovo or Albania in 1999. Could 2-3 persons have been kidnapped in the area and their organs sent elsewhere, possible. Throw in 300 others, impossible.
And I agree the leadership needs to come from non KLA leaders, but in history who are the initial leaders of any new govt established by revolutionary means. The 1st US President was General George Washington commander of the Continental Army and labeled a war criminal by the British govt.
Initial support is given to those names which you attribute success of securing your freedom. No country sets up their initial govt with a list of no names.
I critcize Marty because he was given a task, investigate whether the organ harvesting occured, he came back with unsubstantiated allegations and said someone should investigate this.???
The future of Kosovo has 2 options, as a permanent international protectorate(which is unsustainable without a united international approach), or independent country. Can this be achieved in 3 years absolutely not, 10 years possibly, 20 years probably.
Serbia has neither the desire, nor the resources to make Kosovo a viable entity of Serbia. Most of the hardcore posters here envision a Kosovo free of Albanians or with a complacent subserviant Albanian population. Never have I heard any proSerb, yourself included, advocate some type of movement to include the Albanian population into Serbia with guaranteed minority rights and protections similar to the A Plan for Serbs in Kosovo. It is more they can live here as long as they know and respect their position in "Serbian society" If Serbia wants to maintain an ethnically pure society, they have to cut off that part that is no longer Serbian, there is no cleansing it.
Hell, I still think that had Ibrahim Rugova controlled everything, things would've been much, MUCH better for both sides...
...(Ari Gold, 6 January 2011 04:13)
You had the chance to work with Rugova for 17 years 1990-2007,and you choose to ignore or humiliate him,every chanse you had fisrt Milosevic and latter Kustunica.K-Alb elected Rugova till his death,and what did serbs?Nothing!Just kill his associase Agani,humiliate Rugova's family and ignore the elephant in the middle of the room.
Now that Rugova is dead you suddenly want him back in power?
I mark your words. Is this a new phraseology you Albanians have adopted “mark my words”?
Who is going to pay for this fantastic football team? Are you going to sell more goats on the “stock” exchange? Dream on boys just keep on dreaming – 2011 nothing changes for Kosovo; status quo.
(sj, 6 January 2011)
No "mark my words" is a common phraseology of the English language. And I am not elected to represent Albanians in any capacity on any fora, I was just expressing my opinion. There's no need to attribute my opinion to 6 milion Albanians.
As for who's going to pay for this team don't worry about it, there are plenty of Kosovar Albanians playing in the European top leagues. Who's paying for your team? Surely it's not you it's the likes of Manchester United (Vidic) and Chelsea (Ivanovic) to bring two examples.
As for our dreams what can you do? We are a dreamy people but unlike you Serbs most of our dreams (your nightmares) come true.
"My passion comes from working and living in Kosovo for 3 years, I consider it an investment of my life and I want the best for the people in Kosovo nothing more nothing less."
(pss, 5 January 2011 21:58)
If you want the best for the people of Kosovo, then better don't accuse Marty, and don't defend Thaci and his criminal and corrupt companions. The people in Kosovo would do better with honorable leaders, ministers and presidents, and not some people whose only merits and qualification seems to be having been a former KLA figher.
(icj1, 6 January 2011 04:50)
You can think independence as much as you like, but no EU and no UN recognition. Yes China and Russia only have to veto in the Security Council and Kosovo is not in the UN. Ask the Palestinians.
Kosova will be playing in the UEFA qualifications for the 2022 WC in Qatar.
Mark my words.
And if Serbia doesn't qaulify, although they probably will since they have tremendous qaulity, you Serbs can cheer for Kosova if we qualify. Kosova and Serbia in the same group would be the cherry on top ;)
(Zoti, 5 January 2011 18:48)
I mark your words. Is this a new phraseology you Albanians have adopted “mark my words”?
Who is going to pay for this fantastic football team? Are you going to sell more goats on the “stock” exchange? Dream on boys just keep on dreaming – 2011 nothing changes for Kosovo; status quo.
"Next time you publish something, use recent date(s) . GDP per capita in Serbia is above 10,000 from both the IMF and CIA sources in 2009.
If you like comparing apples to oranges, throw in Albania's and Kosovo GDP Per capital which are far lower than Serbia's.
(Jugoslavija, 5 January 2011 21:06)
It depends what you compare: The nominal or purchasing power parity(PPP) GDP per capita, that's where the different numbers are coming from. But you are right: For Kosovo and Albania the numbers are much lower.
am haaretz? -- Judeo-lobotomy?... i never realized how many experts on judaism inhabited these not-so--hallowed grounds :) just a little bit bizarre, not to mention ignorant. and nasty... mean-spirited.
(roberto, 5 January 2011 21:52)
I don't see "Judeo-lobotomy" mentioned by anyone except you. The topic was "robot lobotomy".
I know your style and I am familiar with certain behavior patterns. As much as you ignore it for the sake of cheap argument: you just can't attach even an indirect "anti-Semite" moniker on me (or on Luciano or on Ari Gold or on Avi) - without penalty being believed by the rest to be insane. You do regardless (see your words above versus what was said).
Hence I stay firmly at my words regarding both lobotomy and autism.
And you want us to believe, you know Albin Kurti, Sonja Biserko, Sonja Licht, Ewa Klonowska(?), Nataša Kandić in person? Windbag.
Than I know Vladimir Putin and Dalai Lama in person and I dine with Obama every Sunday, just FYI.
If you were foreign I would trust you a bit more, but since you are a Serb, I kindly ask you...
DO YOU HAVE A PROOF THAT SERBIA DID NOT PAY DICK MARTY???
If you have, please let me know, because you always speak stupid things without being able to justify them...
(PRN, 5 January 2011 13:59)
Your back, I see. This Dick Marty business must be hurting you guys badly.
Where is your proof that Serbs killed thousands of Albanians and don’t’ quote US or EU sources. COME ON WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?????????
I care for the welfare of Kosovar Albanians as much as I do for Kosovar Serbs, and Serbs in Kosovo, and Bosniaks, and Albanians in Albania... in fact, I believe everyone should be equal. I'm not gonna say that I know "hundreds" of Kosovar Albanians, but a few went to my high school and they were just as nice and friendly as the Serbs who went there... and even they both got along.
I realise that politics is important, and it obviously dictates the way in which people live. But people in the Balkans let nationalist politics get in the way of the progression of their own economies, their lives and the way in which they get along with other people. It's the same problem in Serbia, as well; I mean, I'm not going to suggest that every Serb on the planet has a paranoia of Croats and Albanians. So, all the people in the former Yugoslavia should simply be segregated, and prevented from interacting with one another? In the end, politics is politics, but people's interest in it has basically made everyone suspicious of one another, simply 'cause of their ethnicity. That's how you end up with pointless ethnic squabbles from some nationalists from the Balkans in diaporic countries.
Yes, my family were Serbian Jews, so of course I'm going to be inherently biased towards Serbia in issues related to Kosovo and politics in general, but, I'm not a racist. I don't place the life and rights of a Kosovar Albanian below that of a Serb, no way. My main quarrels I have with Kosovo has to do entirely with Hashim Thaci and the criminal-KLA, NOT the people of Kosovo. Hell, I still think that had Ibrahim Rugova controlled everything, things would've been much, MUCH better for both sides...
The main reason I brought up the question as to why this is so important is because, well, it's political. Does this actually make any positive difference in Kosovar's lives? Anyone can tell that Kosovar authorities have sovereignty over pretty much every single Albanian-populated area in Kosovo, and the Kosovar Albanians understand and realise that... but shouldn't you guys be embracing it and actually using it to be HAPPIER instead of worrying about whether some Arab oil giant succumbed to US pressure and recognised your country? That's all I'm asking, really... your own destiny and your own recognition of control and sovereignty is far more important than the recognition of others.
Unless Russia and China Recognize Independent Kosovo but I dont see that it will happen.
So No China, No Russia=
No UN
(Stevie, 5 January 2011 22:16)
Sure, but that does not mean that Kosovo is not independent. China and Russia's recognition is needed to join the UN; but UN non-membership does not mean that something is not independent.
and NO EU as simple as that.
(Stevie, 5 January 2011 22:16)
Sorry, I'm not aware of any provision in the EU treaties requiring an entity to be a UN member or be recognized by Russia or China to join the EU. Apologies for my ignorance, but it would be great if you could illuminate us where such provision is since it's very simple, as that !
Qatar recognizes Kosovo as independent.
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Thank you so much Qatar, my next Holiday is in Qatar.
Qatar bought Man City, Harrods.
I hope Qatar by Kosova.
Very Nice, so much for Russian influence after Qatar got the world cup, they did the right thing and recognized an independent Kosova, a real slap in Russia's face!!!
If you were foreign I would trust you a bit more, but since you are a Serb, I kindly ask you...
DO YOU HAVE A PROOF THAT SERBIA DID NOT PAY DICK MARTY???
If you have, please let me know, because you always speak stupid things without being able to justify them...
(PRN, 5 January 2011 13:59)
Woundering why you always have to writte in capital letters, are you worried that one could skip your..... comments.
As to your question about Mr Marty, as his account manager I can confirm that he has a fat account in Switzerland and his bribes are coming from the COE every month, ooops sorry, if I remember well he is working for that organization, so maybe it is only his salary... hummmm
Recognitions or not, Kosovo will never be part of Serbia again.
The Serbs seem to find some consolation in the fact that recognitions have been slow to come and that Russia and China will not recognize Kosovo unless they get something in return from the Americans.
I hope that Thaci is found guilty of organs traffic.
what does this matter?
I say let another 100 countries recognize Kosovo.
it doesnt matter at all!
Unless Russia and China Recognize Independent Kosovo but I dont see that it will happen.
So No China, No Russia=
No UN and NO EU as simple as that.
But proof rests on proving that something did happen, not that it did not. It is up to you to prove that Marty did receive payment as you claim, which to any logical person is an absurd accusation. As I said previously, he is not the only person to have raised this issue. There have been, and will be, many others.
(kate, 5 January 2011 15:42)
Excellent comment, I do not buy into Serbia paid money to Marty, I do not know his reasoning for his report, as his mandate was to investigate and see if there is proof of del Pontes allegations, he brought no proof but only made the same and some new allegations without the proof.
Now I refer you to why I said excellent post. "Proof rests on proving something did happen, not that it did not"
Anyone can say anything but that is not proof, all the world is asking is "Where is the proof" Which so far is at zilch.
As far as being "foreign" I have often wondered why you have a total Love for the Serbian prospective and total bias against the Albanian.
Everyone has a reason for their position especially if it is as outspoken and totally one direction as yours.
I too am foreign and am not Serbian, nor Albanian, by blood or marriage. My passion comes from working and living in Kosovo for 3 years, I consider it an investment of my life and I want the best for the people in Kosovo nothing more nothing less.
Seriously people, how many times have you said that "Kosova will not get anymore recognitions?" Let me check, it was at the 5th recognition, at the 10th recognition, at the 20th recognition, at the 25th recognition, at the 50th recognition, at the 60th recognition so on and so forth. I might not be the most clever man around, but I can definitly see a pattern. Sometimes I just feel the need to point out the obvious. I hope I dont have to spoon feed you the conclusion of where this pattern of recognitions is going....
*SERBIA*
Nominal GDP: $43.662 billion
GDP per capita: $5,898 (excluding Kosovo)
Among Qatar's latest business ventures in Southeast Europe is the new TV channel Al Jazeera Balkans (balkans.aljazeera.net), which begins broadcasting this week.
(Jovan R., 5 January 2011 14:31)
Next time you publish something, use recent date(s) . GDP per capita in Serbia is above 10,000 from both the IMF and CIA sources in 2009.
If you like comparing apples to oranges, throw in Albania's and Kosovo GDP Per capital which are far lower than Serbia's.
am haaretz? -- Judeo-lobotomy?... i never realized how many experts on judaism inhabited these not-so--hallowed grounds :) just a little bit bizarre, not to mention ignorant. and nasty... mean-spirited.
anyway, on these days, i always promise to keep it upbeat and optimistic. we are at #73? despite all of the darkest, gloomiest forcasts and threats, they will bury us, bla bla bla. and yet we are forging ahead, no recognitions taken away, just added.
i won't say this has not been a difficult time -- terrible accusations, needs for investigations... allegations across the board. and where exactly does the truth lie? we shall see as time goes on.
we shall persevere, we shall not be moved off-track, thank you very much.
as always, i wish to congratulate all of my kosovar colleagues, and all of our frnds and allies around the world. i couldn't care less of †heir ethnicity, religion or lack thereof.
b92
What is so offensive if you post the address of Kosova embassy in Washington?
I suggest to Ron, to google and find the address where Kosova Embassy is located in Washington, DC. Or, he also can google and find the American Embassy located in Prishtina.
Kosova will be playing in the UEFA qualifications for the 2022 WC in Qatar.
Mark my words.
And if Serbia doesn't qaulify, although they probably will since they have tremendous qaulity, you Serbs can cheer for Kosova if we qualify. Kosova and Serbia in the same group would be the cherry on top ;)
No suprise here considering how many arabs bought stolen Serbian kidneys from albanians.
They have to stick with the ones with goods.
(lids, 5 January 2011 16:05)
Arabs do not use body Slavs that you use pork
"Who cares? Seriously, why do Albanians in Kosovo care? Does this actually make any difference to your jobs, your lives and your family's lives, or do you guys actually care more about politics then your own lives? "
(Ari Gold, 5 January 2011)
At least Paccoli thinks it's more important to spend some of his money for 'lobbying' recognitions instead of investing in Kosovo and creating some jobs there.
"Who cares? Seriously, why do Albanians in Kosovo care? Does this actually make any difference to your jobs, your lives and your family's lives, or do you guys actually care more about politics then your own lives?
(Ari Gold, 5 January 2011) "
Who cares? It's the most-read story on the Serbian page - 115 comments at this point (followed by "The Communist future of Serbia"), with 97 having been posted yesterday alone. (The translator must be on vacation.) For the meaningless gesture Serbs claim every recognition to be, this seems like a lot of concern.
One recognition down and many more to come. When? Who cares? They will come eventually. The Rolling Stones song "Time is on my side" exemplifies the process! Happy New Year Kosova from Chicago!
Apart from the fact that Kosovo does not have an embassy at all as Kosovo is not a state but a province!
(Ron, 5 January 2011 14:34)
Ron, haven't you heard? Kosovo declared independence and they do have embassies, even their Ambassadors have been official recived. Theie embassies provide full consular services and they conduct in diplomatic relations between sovereign states. Also there are even embassies in Kosovo. Kosovo even has it's own passports. Ron you sure have missed out on a lot, where have been? Time to catch up mate haha.
Who cares? Seriously, why do Albanians in Kosovo care? Does this actually make any difference to your jobs, your lives and your family's lives, or do you guys actually care more about politics then your own lives?
(Ari Gold, 5 January 2011)
Since you're wondering I believe everyday lives and poltiics are intertwined. On a very simple pragmatic level Kosova passports will now be recognized so Albanian businessmen and torusist have one country less to worry about.
Now my question to you Mr. Gold is why do YOU care? From your previous comments I've read here you couldn't care less about Albanians so why this "caring" all of a sudden?
Lastly I like to remind all the Serbs here that every single country that recognizes Kosova's independece the day before was against the Independence and in Serbia's camp according to your logic so don't throw your friends under the bus so soon.
PRN: Kate: "If you were foreign I would trust you a bit more, but since you are a Serb, I kindly ask you...
DO YOU HAVE A PROOF THAT SERBIA DID NOT PAY DICK MARTY???"
Actually I don't have a drop of Serbian blood running through my veins, and as I am 'foreign' (which I assume to you does not include Serbian) you can, according to you, trust me on that basis.
But proof rests on proving that something did happen, not that it did not. It is up to you to prove that Marty did receive payment as you claim, which to any logical person is an absurd accusation. As I said previously, he is not the only person to have raised this issue. There have been, and will be, many others.
I don't believe about recognision,till I see serbian ambasador leaving Qatar.
As they continued to punish countries recognising Kosova,after 5 years they will have only 4 foreign embassies only in Russia,Cuba,Venezuela and Iran.
Congratulation Kosova in nr 73!
Hope Kuvait,Oman,Pakistan and East Timur keep their promises and follow Qatar this month!
"Why does it matter?
One reason is that Qatar is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and a major investor. For comparison purposes, note that Qatar, with a population of less than 2 million people, has almost twice the Gross Domestic Product of Serbia"
(Jovan R., 5 January 2011 14:31)
Qatar is a mainly a strategical investor. They know that their wealth depends on oil resources, which will end, eventually. And so they are investing all around the world, buying companies, shares, to have a source to stay wealthy in the after-oil times.
I don't expect them to 'invest' in corrupt, unstable Kosovo, this could at best be considered venture capital, at worst: Pouring money down the drain.
Why does it matter?
One reason is that Qatar is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and a major investor. For comparison purposes, note that Qatar, with a population of less than 2 million people, has almost twice the Gross Domestic Product of Serbia:
*QATAR*
Nominal GDP: $83.910 billion
GDP per capita: $68,871
*SERBIA*
Nominal GDP: $43.662 billion
GDP per capita: $5,898 (excluding Kosovo)
Among Qatar's latest business ventures in Southeast Europe is the new TV channel Al Jazeera Balkans (balkans.aljazeera.net), which begins broadcasting this week.
Who cares? Seriously, why do Albanians in Kosovo care? Does this actually make any difference to your jobs, your lives and your family's lives, or do you guys actually care more about politics then your own lives?
(Ari Gold, 5 January 2011 12:50)
Why do you care enough to comment, I mean seriously, does it affect you one iota?
Now that Russia has supported Qatar with it's 2022 world cup bid, Qatar is free to recognise Kosovo as Qatar no longer depends on Russia to support it's world cup bid. I can't wait for the 2022 world cup and 2018 too!
4) I expect robot lobotomy from Frisco drop-by and hail his Arab colleagues on this occasion. I also expect Ari Gold and Avi to look at him in disbelief. Take it easy guys - been there, seen that - that's the way he is, ROFL.
(Je¿ arabski, 5 January 2011 10:17)
He's an example of what Rabbinic Jews would call "'Am ha-aretz", which literally translates from Hebrew as a "person of the land". In practice, though, it basically refers to a Jew who is at the heights of ignorance to even be considered Jewish.
It is far more likely that any issued cheques were made in kind by the US to Qatar rather than by Serbia to Mr Marty (which would infer that Serbia also paid off the Council of Europe, various UN senior officials past and present, and entire nations such as Switzerland, Spain and China to join your paranoia based consipracy).
(kate, 5 January 2011 12:40)
Kate,
If you were foreign I would trust you a bit more, but since you are a Serb, I kindly ask you...
DO YOU HAVE A PROOF THAT SERBIA DID NOT PAY DICK MARTY???
If you have, please let me know, because you always speak stupid things without being able to justify them...
It is about time the Muslim world starts with recognitions and we see the end of the recognition story.
The Russian influence on these countries is laterally huge their entire defence system is based 90% on Russian technology or Chinese but they should start being more responsible and determined - after all Russia is their main supplier but they are Russian main clients as well.
@ PRN - It is far more likely that any issued cheques were made in kind by the US to Qatar rather than by Serbia to Mr Marty (which would infer that Serbia also paid off the Council of Europe, various UN senior officials past and present, and entire nations such as Switzerland, Spain and China to join your paranoia based consipracy).
I am sure that most people in Serbia would be happy if she was that rich!!
Who cares? Seriously, why do Albanians in Kosovo care? Does this actually make any difference to your jobs, your lives and your family's lives, or do you guys actually care more about politics then your own lives?
Hey, you got props from an island-state that WONT be under water in 10 years but it wont matter bc we have enough dirt on your elites to to ensure retractions once the S. Stream starts pumping
1) This is the first real country since a while. Earlier they admitted to be bribed by Russia - now congratulation to B.P., he outbid his friends. This is a very serious money - Qatar is not Tuvalu. B.P. for the president of YU, Thaçi for the prisoner.
2) Serbia will survive even that recognition. Lucky me, I did not say "thank you" to Qatar few weeks ago as the opposite was the topic. Now Albanians will bow to Qatar they cursed recently.
3) Albanians and Serbs can learn: Arab "friends" are like that. Israel already knows, what you still need to learn: the best argument is the military potential and never display any sign of weakness. The best Arab sheikh / mullah / bollah butt is the kicked one, regardless do they recognize Kosovo or not.
4) I expect robot lobotomy from Frisco drop-by and hail his Arab colleagues on this occasion. I also expect Ari Gold and Avi to look at him in disbelief. Take it easy guys - been there, seen that - that's the way he is, ROFL.
Now I know, I just blew my Saudi tourist visa with that but not to worried.
This is dedicated to Dick Marty for his unreserved commitment to Kosovo. Bravo Marty, I hope this news will satisfy you and your country that recognized Kosovo among the first.
More such acknowledgments for Mr. Marty intentionally macabre work to come in the very near future.
In the meantime Marty may be asked by Belgrade to return the cheque back.
It's good to see that the recognition process of Kosovo continues, allthough slowly. In the midst of bad news coming out of Kosovo it is commendable that countries like Qatar manages to see a broader picture.
This is dedicated to Dick Marty for his unreserved commitment to Kosovo. Bravo Marty, I hope this news will satisfy you and your country that recognized Kosovo among the first.
More such acknowledgments for Mr. Marty intentionally macabre work to come in the very near future.
In the meantime Marty may be asked by Belgrade to return the cheque back.
It is far more likely that any issued cheques were made in kind by the US to Qatar rather than by Serbia to Mr Marty (which would infer that Serbia also paid off the Council of Europe, various UN senior officials past and present, and entire nations such as Switzerland, Spain and China to join your paranoia based consipracy).
(kate, 5 January 2011 12:40)
Kate,
If you were foreign I would trust you a bit more, but since you are a Serb, I kindly ask you...
DO YOU HAVE A PROOF THAT SERBIA DID NOT PAY DICK MARTY???
If you have, please let me know, because you always speak stupid things without being able to justify them...
It's good to see that the recognition process of Kosovo continues, allthough slowly. In the midst of bad news coming out of Kosovo it is commendable that countries like Qatar manages to see a broader picture.
@ PRN - It is far more likely that any issued cheques were made in kind by the US to Qatar rather than by Serbia to Mr Marty (which would infer that Serbia also paid off the Council of Europe, various UN senior officials past and present, and entire nations such as Switzerland, Spain and China to join your paranoia based consipracy).
I am sure that most people in Serbia would be happy if she was that rich!!
Why does it matter?
One reason is that Qatar is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and a major investor. For comparison purposes, note that Qatar, with a population of less than 2 million people, has almost twice the Gross Domestic Product of Serbia:
*QATAR*
Nominal GDP: $83.910 billion
GDP per capita: $68,871
*SERBIA*
Nominal GDP: $43.662 billion
GDP per capita: $5,898 (excluding Kosovo)
Among Qatar's latest business ventures in Southeast Europe is the new TV channel Al Jazeera Balkans (balkans.aljazeera.net), which begins broadcasting this week.
Apart from the fact that Kosovo does not have an embassy at all as Kosovo is not a state but a province!
(Ron, 5 January 2011 14:34)
Ron, haven't you heard? Kosovo declared independence and they do have embassies, even their Ambassadors have been official recived. Theie embassies provide full consular services and they conduct in diplomatic relations between sovereign states. Also there are even embassies in Kosovo. Kosovo even has it's own passports. Ron you sure have missed out on a lot, where have been? Time to catch up mate haha.
Now that Russia has supported Qatar with it's 2022 world cup bid, Qatar is free to recognise Kosovo as Qatar no longer depends on Russia to support it's world cup bid. I can't wait for the 2022 world cup and 2018 too!
I don't believe about recognision,till I see serbian ambasador leaving Qatar.
As they continued to punish countries recognising Kosova,after 5 years they will have only 4 foreign embassies only in Russia,Cuba,Venezuela and Iran.
Congratulation Kosova in nr 73!
Hope Kuvait,Oman,Pakistan and East Timur keep their promises and follow Qatar this month!
"Who cares? Seriously, why do Albanians in Kosovo care? Does this actually make any difference to your jobs, your lives and your family's lives, or do you guys actually care more about politics then your own lives?
(Ari Gold, 5 January 2011) "
Who cares? It's the most-read story on the Serbian page - 115 comments at this point (followed by "The Communist future of Serbia"), with 97 having been posted yesterday alone. (The translator must be on vacation.) For the meaningless gesture Serbs claim every recognition to be, this seems like a lot of concern.
Hey, you got props from an island-state that WONT be under water in 10 years but it wont matter bc we have enough dirt on your elites to to ensure retractions once the S. Stream starts pumping
Who cares? Seriously, why do Albanians in Kosovo care? Does this actually make any difference to your jobs, your lives and your family's lives, or do you guys actually care more about politics then your own lives?
(Ari Gold, 5 January 2011 12:50)
Why do you care enough to comment, I mean seriously, does it affect you one iota?
Who cares? Seriously, why do Albanians in Kosovo care? Does this actually make any difference to your jobs, your lives and your family's lives, or do you guys actually care more about politics then your own lives?
It is about time the Muslim world starts with recognitions and we see the end of the recognition story.
The Russian influence on these countries is laterally huge their entire defence system is based 90% on Russian technology or Chinese but they should start being more responsible and determined - after all Russia is their main supplier but they are Russian main clients as well.
One recognition down and many more to come. When? Who cares? They will come eventually. The Rolling Stones song "Time is on my side" exemplifies the process! Happy New Year Kosova from Chicago!
PRN: Kate: "If you were foreign I would trust you a bit more, but since you are a Serb, I kindly ask you...
DO YOU HAVE A PROOF THAT SERBIA DID NOT PAY DICK MARTY???"
Actually I don't have a drop of Serbian blood running through my veins, and as I am 'foreign' (which I assume to you does not include Serbian) you can, according to you, trust me on that basis.
But proof rests on proving that something did happen, not that it did not. It is up to you to prove that Marty did receive payment as you claim, which to any logical person is an absurd accusation. As I said previously, he is not the only person to have raised this issue. There have been, and will be, many others.
Who cares? Seriously, why do Albanians in Kosovo care? Does this actually make any difference to your jobs, your lives and your family's lives, or do you guys actually care more about politics then your own lives?
(Ari Gold, 5 January 2011)
Since you're wondering I believe everyday lives and poltiics are intertwined. On a very simple pragmatic level Kosova passports will now be recognized so Albanian businessmen and torusist have one country less to worry about.
Now my question to you Mr. Gold is why do YOU care? From your previous comments I've read here you couldn't care less about Albanians so why this "caring" all of a sudden?
Lastly I like to remind all the Serbs here that every single country that recognizes Kosova's independece the day before was against the Independence and in Serbia's camp according to your logic so don't throw your friends under the bus so soon.
No suprise here considering how many arabs bought stolen Serbian kidneys from albanians.
They have to stick with the ones with goods.
(lids, 5 January 2011 16:05)
Arabs do not use body Slavs that you use pork
b92
What is so offensive if you post the address of Kosova embassy in Washington?
I suggest to Ron, to google and find the address where Kosova Embassy is located in Washington, DC. Or, he also can google and find the American Embassy located in Prishtina.
Kosova will be playing in the UEFA qualifications for the 2022 WC in Qatar.
Mark my words.
And if Serbia doesn't qaulify, although they probably will since they have tremendous qaulity, you Serbs can cheer for Kosova if we qualify. Kosova and Serbia in the same group would be the cherry on top ;)
4) I expect robot lobotomy from Frisco drop-by and hail his Arab colleagues on this occasion. I also expect Ari Gold and Avi to look at him in disbelief. Take it easy guys - been there, seen that - that's the way he is, ROFL.
(Je¿ arabski, 5 January 2011 10:17)
He's an example of what Rabbinic Jews would call "'Am ha-aretz", which literally translates from Hebrew as a "person of the land". In practice, though, it basically refers to a Jew who is at the heights of ignorance to even be considered Jewish.
But proof rests on proving that something did happen, not that it did not. It is up to you to prove that Marty did receive payment as you claim, which to any logical person is an absurd accusation. As I said previously, he is not the only person to have raised this issue. There have been, and will be, many others.
(kate, 5 January 2011 15:42)
Excellent comment, I do not buy into Serbia paid money to Marty, I do not know his reasoning for his report, as his mandate was to investigate and see if there is proof of del Pontes allegations, he brought no proof but only made the same and some new allegations without the proof.
Now I refer you to why I said excellent post. "Proof rests on proving something did happen, not that it did not"
Anyone can say anything but that is not proof, all the world is asking is "Where is the proof" Which so far is at zilch.
As far as being "foreign" I have often wondered why you have a total Love for the Serbian prospective and total bias against the Albanian.
Everyone has a reason for their position especially if it is as outspoken and totally one direction as yours.
I too am foreign and am not Serbian, nor Albanian, by blood or marriage. My passion comes from working and living in Kosovo for 3 years, I consider it an investment of my life and I want the best for the people in Kosovo nothing more nothing less.
1) This is the first real country since a while. Earlier they admitted to be bribed by Russia - now congratulation to B.P., he outbid his friends. This is a very serious money - Qatar is not Tuvalu. B.P. for the president of YU, Thaçi for the prisoner.
2) Serbia will survive even that recognition. Lucky me, I did not say "thank you" to Qatar few weeks ago as the opposite was the topic. Now Albanians will bow to Qatar they cursed recently.
3) Albanians and Serbs can learn: Arab "friends" are like that. Israel already knows, what you still need to learn: the best argument is the military potential and never display any sign of weakness. The best Arab sheikh / mullah / bollah butt is the kicked one, regardless do they recognize Kosovo or not.
4) I expect robot lobotomy from Frisco drop-by and hail his Arab colleagues on this occasion. I also expect Ari Gold and Avi to look at him in disbelief. Take it easy guys - been there, seen that - that's the way he is, ROFL.
Now I know, I just blew my Saudi tourist visa with that but not to worried.
Seriously people, how many times have you said that "Kosova will not get anymore recognitions?" Let me check, it was at the 5th recognition, at the 10th recognition, at the 20th recognition, at the 25th recognition, at the 50th recognition, at the 60th recognition so on and so forth. I might not be the most clever man around, but I can definitly see a pattern. Sometimes I just feel the need to point out the obvious. I hope I dont have to spoon feed you the conclusion of where this pattern of recognitions is going....
am haaretz? -- Judeo-lobotomy?... i never realized how many experts on judaism inhabited these not-so--hallowed grounds :) just a little bit bizarre, not to mention ignorant. and nasty... mean-spirited.
anyway, on these days, i always promise to keep it upbeat and optimistic. we are at #73? despite all of the darkest, gloomiest forcasts and threats, they will bury us, bla bla bla. and yet we are forging ahead, no recognitions taken away, just added.
i won't say this has not been a difficult time -- terrible accusations, needs for investigations... allegations across the board. and where exactly does the truth lie? we shall see as time goes on.
we shall persevere, we shall not be moved off-track, thank you very much.
as always, i wish to congratulate all of my kosovar colleagues, and all of our frnds and allies around the world. i couldn't care less of †heir ethnicity, religion or lack thereof.
You can think independence as much as you like, but no EU and no UN recognition.
(sj, 6 January 2011 12:12)
I think you are a little bit confused. EU and UN are not in the business of recognition. That’s the business of individual states.
Yes China and Russia only have to veto in the Security Council and Kosovo is not in the UN. Ask the Palestinians.
(sj, 6 January 2011 12:12)
Yes, and then what ?! Even if we apply Serbia’s Constitution, Kosovo will not be in the UN, anyway !
2011 nothing changes for Kosovo; status quo.
(sj, 6 January 2011 12:12)
Well, as far as status goes, Albanians in Kosovo appear to be happy with the status quo compared to what Serbia’s Constitution offers. If Serbs are happy too, then it’s great. Everybody is happy and we have actually solved the Kosovo-Serbia issue.
How far has Kosovo’s moved since 1999? Not a millimeter – so why are we going to worry as we will keep you in that situations for ever boys. I think you have your dreams and nightmares mixed up. More pain on the way in 2011.
(sj, 6 January 2011 23:31)
Well, first of all, it has achieved the main goal; i.e. Serbia not being in charge (as Serbia itself recognizes when it says that UNMIK is in charge)…
"Why does it matter?
One reason is that Qatar is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and a major investor. For comparison purposes, note that Qatar, with a population of less than 2 million people, has almost twice the Gross Domestic Product of Serbia"
(Jovan R., 5 January 2011 14:31)
Qatar is a mainly a strategical investor. They know that their wealth depends on oil resources, which will end, eventually. And so they are investing all around the world, buying companies, shares, to have a source to stay wealthy in the after-oil times.
I don't expect them to 'invest' in corrupt, unstable Kosovo, this could at best be considered venture capital, at worst: Pouring money down the drain.
Hell, I still think that had Ibrahim Rugova controlled everything, things would've been much, MUCH better for both sides...
...(Ari Gold, 6 January 2011 04:13)
You had the chance to work with Rugova for 17 years 1990-2007,and you choose to ignore or humiliate him,every chanse you had fisrt Milosevic and latter Kustunica.K-Alb elected Rugova till his death,and what did serbs?Nothing!Just kill his associase Agani,humiliate Rugova's family and ignore the elephant in the middle of the room.
Now that Rugova is dead you suddenly want him back in power?
what does this matter?
I say let another 100 countries recognize Kosovo.
it doesnt matter at all!
Unless Russia and China Recognize Independent Kosovo but I dont see that it will happen.
So No China, No Russia=
No UN and NO EU as simple as that.
If you want the best for the people of Kosovo, then better don't accuse Marty, and don't defend Thaci and his criminal and corrupt companions. The people in Kosovo would do better with honorable leaders, ministers and presidents, and not some people whose only merits and qualification seems to be having been a former KLA figher.
(Top, 6 January 2011 13:33)
I have said before that I do not believe Thaci is the person to lead Kosovo to a better future. I also have said I do not believe in organ harvesting but mainly based on I do not believe that large a scale operation could have existed in either war torn Kosovo or Albania in 1999. Could 2-3 persons have been kidnapped in the area and their organs sent elsewhere, possible. Throw in 300 others, impossible.
And I agree the leadership needs to come from non KLA leaders, but in history who are the initial leaders of any new govt established by revolutionary means. The 1st US President was General George Washington commander of the Continental Army and labeled a war criminal by the British govt.
Initial support is given to those names which you attribute success of securing your freedom. No country sets up their initial govt with a list of no names.
I critcize Marty because he was given a task, investigate whether the organ harvesting occured, he came back with unsubstantiated allegations and said someone should investigate this.???
The future of Kosovo has 2 options, as a permanent international protectorate(which is unsustainable without a united international approach), or independent country. Can this be achieved in 3 years absolutely not, 10 years possibly, 20 years probably.
Serbia has neither the desire, nor the resources to make Kosovo a viable entity of Serbia. Most of the hardcore posters here envision a Kosovo free of Albanians or with a complacent subserviant Albanian population. Never have I heard any proSerb, yourself included, advocate some type of movement to include the Albanian population into Serbia with guaranteed minority rights and protections similar to the A Plan for Serbs in Kosovo. It is more they can live here as long as they know and respect their position in "Serbian society" If Serbia wants to maintain an ethnically pure society, they have to cut off that part that is no longer Serbian, there is no cleansing it.
How far has Kosovo’s moved since 1999? Not a millimeter – so why are we going to worry as we will keep you in that situations for ever boys. I think you have your dreams and nightmares mixed up. More pain on the way in 2011.
(sj, 6 January 2011)
As for how far we've moved since 1999, how about declaring independence for starters and getting rid of your kind forever. That's pretty big in my book.
I mark your words. Is this a new phraseology you Albanians have adopted “mark my words”?
Who is going to pay for this fantastic football team? Are you going to sell more goats on the “stock” exchange? Dream on boys just keep on dreaming – 2011 nothing changes for Kosovo; status quo.
(sj, 6 January 2011)
No "mark my words" is a common phraseology of the English language. And I am not elected to represent Albanians in any capacity on any fora, I was just expressing my opinion. There's no need to attribute my opinion to 6 milion Albanians.
As for who's going to pay for this team don't worry about it, there are plenty of Kosovar Albanians playing in the European top leagues. Who's paying for your team? Surely it's not you it's the likes of Manchester United (Vidic) and Chelsea (Ivanovic) to bring two examples.
As for our dreams what can you do? We are a dreamy people but unlike you Serbs most of our dreams (your nightmares) come true.
Very Nice, so much for Russian influence after Qatar got the world cup, they did the right thing and recognized an independent Kosova, a real slap in Russia's face!!!
*SERBIA*
Nominal GDP: $43.662 billion
GDP per capita: $5,898 (excluding Kosovo)
Among Qatar's latest business ventures in Southeast Europe is the new TV channel Al Jazeera Balkans (balkans.aljazeera.net), which begins broadcasting this week.
(Jovan R., 5 January 2011 14:31)
Next time you publish something, use recent date(s) . GDP per capita in Serbia is above 10,000 from both the IMF and CIA sources in 2009.
If you like comparing apples to oranges, throw in Albania's and Kosovo GDP Per capital which are far lower than Serbia's.
"Who cares? Seriously, why do Albanians in Kosovo care? Does this actually make any difference to your jobs, your lives and your family's lives, or do you guys actually care more about politics then your own lives? "
(Ari Gold, 5 January 2011)
At least Paccoli thinks it's more important to spend some of his money for 'lobbying' recognitions instead of investing in Kosovo and creating some jobs there.
Qatar recognizes Kosovo as independent.
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Thank you so much Qatar, my next Holiday is in Qatar.
Qatar bought Man City, Harrods.
I hope Qatar by Kosova.
Unless Russia and China Recognize Independent Kosovo but I dont see that it will happen.
So No China, No Russia=
No UN
(Stevie, 5 January 2011 22:16)
Sure, but that does not mean that Kosovo is not independent. China and Russia's recognition is needed to join the UN; but UN non-membership does not mean that something is not independent.
and NO EU as simple as that.
(Stevie, 5 January 2011 22:16)
Sorry, I'm not aware of any provision in the EU treaties requiring an entity to be a UN member or be recognized by Russia or China to join the EU. Apologies for my ignorance, but it would be great if you could illuminate us where such provision is since it's very simple, as that !
Fascism is indeed a nightmare - but with very sober awakening.
(Je¿ faszystski, 6 January 2011)
Thanks but I'm a staunch atheist and I don't pay much attention to what old men with long beards and funny clothes and ridiculous hats have to say. If I saw him roaming the streets of NYC I'd think he's some homeless guy who's gone mad.
If you were foreign I would trust you a bit more, but since you are a Serb, I kindly ask you...
DO YOU HAVE A PROOF THAT SERBIA DID NOT PAY DICK MARTY???
If you have, please let me know, because you always speak stupid things without being able to justify them...
(PRN, 5 January 2011 13:59)
Your back, I see. This Dick Marty business must be hurting you guys badly.
Where is your proof that Serbs killed thousands of Albanians and don’t’ quote US or EU sources. COME ON WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?????????
If you were foreign I would trust you a bit more, but since you are a Serb, I kindly ask you...
DO YOU HAVE A PROOF THAT SERBIA DID NOT PAY DICK MARTY???
If you have, please let me know, because you always speak stupid things without being able to justify them...
(PRN, 5 January 2011 13:59)
Woundering why you always have to writte in capital letters, are you worried that one could skip your..... comments.
As to your question about Mr Marty, as his account manager I can confirm that he has a fat account in Switzerland and his bribes are coming from the COE every month, ooops sorry, if I remember well he is working for that organization, so maybe it is only his salary... hummmm
I care for the welfare of Kosovar Albanians as much as I do for Kosovar Serbs, and Serbs in Kosovo, and Bosniaks, and Albanians in Albania... in fact, I believe everyone should be equal. I'm not gonna say that I know "hundreds" of Kosovar Albanians, but a few went to my high school and they were just as nice and friendly as the Serbs who went there... and even they both got along.
I realise that politics is important, and it obviously dictates the way in which people live. But people in the Balkans let nationalist politics get in the way of the progression of their own economies, their lives and the way in which they get along with other people. It's the same problem in Serbia, as well; I mean, I'm not going to suggest that every Serb on the planet has a paranoia of Croats and Albanians. So, all the people in the former Yugoslavia should simply be segregated, and prevented from interacting with one another? In the end, politics is politics, but people's interest in it has basically made everyone suspicious of one another, simply 'cause of their ethnicity. That's how you end up with pointless ethnic squabbles from some nationalists from the Balkans in diaporic countries.
Yes, my family were Serbian Jews, so of course I'm going to be inherently biased towards Serbia in issues related to Kosovo and politics in general, but, I'm not a racist. I don't place the life and rights of a Kosovar Albanian below that of a Serb, no way. My main quarrels I have with Kosovo has to do entirely with Hashim Thaci and the criminal-KLA, NOT the people of Kosovo. Hell, I still think that had Ibrahim Rugova controlled everything, things would've been much, MUCH better for both sides...
The main reason I brought up the question as to why this is so important is because, well, it's political. Does this actually make any positive difference in Kosovar's lives? Anyone can tell that Kosovar authorities have sovereignty over pretty much every single Albanian-populated area in Kosovo, and the Kosovar Albanians understand and realise that... but shouldn't you guys be embracing it and actually using it to be HAPPIER instead of worrying about whether some Arab oil giant succumbed to US pressure and recognised your country? That's all I'm asking, really... your own destiny and your own recognition of control and sovereignty is far more important than the recognition of others.
"Next time you publish something, use recent date(s) . GDP per capita in Serbia is above 10,000 from both the IMF and CIA sources in 2009.
If you like comparing apples to oranges, throw in Albania's and Kosovo GDP Per capital which are far lower than Serbia's.
(Jugoslavija, 5 January 2011 21:06)
It depends what you compare: The nominal or purchasing power parity(PPP) GDP per capita, that's where the different numbers are coming from. But you are right: For Kosovo and Albania the numbers are much lower.
You had the chance to work with Rugova for 17 years 1990-2007,and you choose to ignore or humiliate him,every chanse you had fisrt Milosevic and latter Kustunica.K-Alb elected Rugova till his death,and what did serbs?Nothing!Just kill his associase Agani,humiliate Rugova's family and ignore the elephant in the middle of the room.
Now that Rugova is dead you suddenly want him back in power?
(Mirel from Albania, 6 January 2011 15:41)
Milosevic saved Rugova's life along with his family from the KLA putting him under protective custody;
Rugova did not come back to Kosovo for a long period of time fearing for his life; he didnt' even stay in Albania during his exile.
Agani was killed by the KLA;
Continue to support the KLA bandits and terrorists like Thaci and more Albanian blood is going to be spilled.
(icj1, 6 January 2011 04:50)
You can think independence as much as you like, but no EU and no UN recognition. Yes China and Russia only have to veto in the Security Council and Kosovo is not in the UN. Ask the Palestinians.
Kosova will be playing in the UEFA qualifications for the 2022 WC in Qatar.
Mark my words.
And if Serbia doesn't qaulify, although they probably will since they have tremendous qaulity, you Serbs can cheer for Kosova if we qualify. Kosova and Serbia in the same group would be the cherry on top ;)
(Zoti, 5 January 2011 18:48)
I mark your words. Is this a new phraseology you Albanians have adopted “mark my words”?
Who is going to pay for this fantastic football team? Are you going to sell more goats on the “stock” exchange? Dream on boys just keep on dreaming – 2011 nothing changes for Kosovo; status quo.
"My passion comes from working and living in Kosovo for 3 years, I consider it an investment of my life and I want the best for the people in Kosovo nothing more nothing less."
(pss, 5 January 2011 21:58)
If you want the best for the people of Kosovo, then better don't accuse Marty, and don't defend Thaci and his criminal and corrupt companions. The people in Kosovo would do better with honorable leaders, ministers and presidents, and not some people whose only merits and qualification seems to be having been a former KLA figher.
Recognitions or not, Kosovo will never be part of Serbia again.
The Serbs seem to find some consolation in the fact that recognitions have been slow to come and that Russia and China will not recognize Kosovo unless they get something in return from the Americans.
I hope that Thaci is found guilty of organs traffic.
am haaretz? -- Judeo-lobotomy?... i never realized how many experts on judaism inhabited these not-so--hallowed grounds :) just a little bit bizarre, not to mention ignorant. and nasty... mean-spirited.
(roberto, 5 January 2011 21:52)
I don't see "Judeo-lobotomy" mentioned by anyone except you. The topic was "robot lobotomy".
I know your style and I am familiar with certain behavior patterns. As much as you ignore it for the sake of cheap argument: you just can't attach even an indirect "anti-Semite" moniker on me (or on Luciano or on Ari Gold or on Avi) - without penalty being believed by the rest to be insane. You do regardless (see your words above versus what was said).
Hence I stay firmly at my words regarding both lobotomy and autism.
And you want us to believe, you know Albin Kurti, Sonja Biserko, Sonja Licht, Ewa Klonowska(?), Nataša Kandić in person? Windbag.
Than I know Vladimir Putin and Dalai Lama in person and I dine with Obama every Sunday, just FYI.
"Kosova will be playing in the UEFA qualifications for the 2022 WC in Qatar."
The only thing Kosova will be playing is when they have a sport called Killing for organs , then they will be number #1 in that category in everything else related to sport they stand no chance.
As for who's going to pay for this team don't worry about it, there are plenty of Kosovar Albanians playing in the European top leagues. Who's paying for your team? Surely it's not you it's the likes of Manchester United (Vidic) and Chelsea (Ivanovic) to bring two examples.
As for our dreams what can you do? We are a dreamy people but unlike you Serbs most of our dreams (your nightmares) come true.
(Zoti, 6 January 2011 15:52)
How far has Kosovo’s moved since 1999? Not a millimeter – so why are we going to worry as we will keep you in that situations for ever boys. I think you have your dreams and nightmares mixed up. More pain on the way in 2011.
1) This is the first real country since a while. Earlier they admitted to be bribed by Russia - now congratulation to B.P., he outbid his friends. This is a very serious money - Qatar is not Tuvalu. B.P. for the president of YU, Thaçi for the prisoner.
2) Serbia will survive even that recognition. Lucky me, I did not say "thank you" to Qatar few weeks ago as the opposite was the topic. Now Albanians will bow to Qatar they cursed recently.
3) Albanians and Serbs can learn: Arab "friends" are like that. Israel already knows, what you still need to learn: the best argument is the military potential and never display any sign of weakness. The best Arab sheikh / mullah / bollah butt is the kicked one, regardless do they recognize Kosovo or not.
4) I expect robot lobotomy from Frisco drop-by and hail his Arab colleagues on this occasion. I also expect Ari Gold and Avi to look at him in disbelief. Take it easy guys - been there, seen that - that's the way he is, ROFL.
Now I know, I just blew my Saudi tourist visa with that but not to worried.
This is dedicated to Dick Marty for his unreserved commitment to Kosovo. Bravo Marty, I hope this news will satisfy you and your country that recognized Kosovo among the first.
More such acknowledgments for Mr. Marty intentionally macabre work to come in the very near future.
In the meantime Marty may be asked by Belgrade to return the cheque back.
Hey, you got props from an island-state that WONT be under water in 10 years but it wont matter bc we have enough dirt on your elites to to ensure retractions once the S. Stream starts pumping
Who cares? Seriously, why do Albanians in Kosovo care? Does this actually make any difference to your jobs, your lives and your family's lives, or do you guys actually care more about politics then your own lives?
@ PRN - It is far more likely that any issued cheques were made in kind by the US to Qatar rather than by Serbia to Mr Marty (which would infer that Serbia also paid off the Council of Europe, various UN senior officials past and present, and entire nations such as Switzerland, Spain and China to join your paranoia based consipracy).
I am sure that most people in Serbia would be happy if she was that rich!!
It is far more likely that any issued cheques were made in kind by the US to Qatar rather than by Serbia to Mr Marty (which would infer that Serbia also paid off the Council of Europe, various UN senior officials past and present, and entire nations such as Switzerland, Spain and China to join your paranoia based consipracy).
(kate, 5 January 2011 12:40)
Kate,
If you were foreign I would trust you a bit more, but since you are a Serb, I kindly ask you...
DO YOU HAVE A PROOF THAT SERBIA DID NOT PAY DICK MARTY???
If you have, please let me know, because you always speak stupid things without being able to justify them...
It's good to see that the recognition process of Kosovo continues, allthough slowly. In the midst of bad news coming out of Kosovo it is commendable that countries like Qatar manages to see a broader picture.
PRN: Kate: "If you were foreign I would trust you a bit more, but since you are a Serb, I kindly ask you...
DO YOU HAVE A PROOF THAT SERBIA DID NOT PAY DICK MARTY???"
Actually I don't have a drop of Serbian blood running through my veins, and as I am 'foreign' (which I assume to you does not include Serbian) you can, according to you, trust me on that basis.
But proof rests on proving that something did happen, not that it did not. It is up to you to prove that Marty did receive payment as you claim, which to any logical person is an absurd accusation. As I said previously, he is not the only person to have raised this issue. There have been, and will be, many others.
4) I expect robot lobotomy from Frisco drop-by and hail his Arab colleagues on this occasion. I also expect Ari Gold and Avi to look at him in disbelief. Take it easy guys - been there, seen that - that's the way he is, ROFL.
(Je¿ arabski, 5 January 2011 10:17)
He's an example of what Rabbinic Jews would call "'Am ha-aretz", which literally translates from Hebrew as a "person of the land". In practice, though, it basically refers to a Jew who is at the heights of ignorance to even be considered Jewish.
Who cares? Seriously, why do Albanians in Kosovo care? Does this actually make any difference to your jobs, your lives and your family's lives, or do you guys actually care more about politics then your own lives?
(Ari Gold, 5 January 2011 12:50)
Why do you care enough to comment, I mean seriously, does it affect you one iota?
"Why does it matter?
One reason is that Qatar is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and a major investor. For comparison purposes, note that Qatar, with a population of less than 2 million people, has almost twice the Gross Domestic Product of Serbia"
(Jovan R., 5 January 2011 14:31)
Qatar is a mainly a strategical investor. They know that their wealth depends on oil resources, which will end, eventually. And so they are investing all around the world, buying companies, shares, to have a source to stay wealthy in the after-oil times.
I don't expect them to 'invest' in corrupt, unstable Kosovo, this could at best be considered venture capital, at worst: Pouring money down the drain.
It is about time the Muslim world starts with recognitions and we see the end of the recognition story.
The Russian influence on these countries is laterally huge their entire defence system is based 90% on Russian technology or Chinese but they should start being more responsible and determined - after all Russia is their main supplier but they are Russian main clients as well.
what does this matter?
I say let another 100 countries recognize Kosovo.
it doesnt matter at all!
Unless Russia and China Recognize Independent Kosovo but I dont see that it will happen.
So No China, No Russia=
No UN and NO EU as simple as that.
"Kosova will be playing in the UEFA qualifications for the 2022 WC in Qatar."
The only thing Kosova will be playing is when they have a sport called Killing for organs , then they will be number #1 in that category in everything else related to sport they stand no chance.
"Who cares? Seriously, why do Albanians in Kosovo care? Does this actually make any difference to your jobs, your lives and your family's lives, or do you guys actually care more about politics then your own lives? "
(Ari Gold, 5 January 2011)
At least Paccoli thinks it's more important to spend some of his money for 'lobbying' recognitions instead of investing in Kosovo and creating some jobs there.
I don't believe about recognision,till I see serbian ambasador leaving Qatar.
As they continued to punish countries recognising Kosova,after 5 years they will have only 4 foreign embassies only in Russia,Cuba,Venezuela and Iran.
Congratulation Kosova in nr 73!
Hope Kuvait,Oman,Pakistan and East Timur keep their promises and follow Qatar this month!
Apart from the fact that Kosovo does not have an embassy at all as Kosovo is not a state but a province!
(Ron, 5 January 2011 14:34)
Ron, haven't you heard? Kosovo declared independence and they do have embassies, even their Ambassadors have been official recived. Theie embassies provide full consular services and they conduct in diplomatic relations between sovereign states. Also there are even embassies in Kosovo. Kosovo even has it's own passports. Ron you sure have missed out on a lot, where have been? Time to catch up mate haha.
One recognition down and many more to come. When? Who cares? They will come eventually. The Rolling Stones song "Time is on my side" exemplifies the process! Happy New Year Kosova from Chicago!
Now that Russia has supported Qatar with it's 2022 world cup bid, Qatar is free to recognise Kosovo as Qatar no longer depends on Russia to support it's world cup bid. I can't wait for the 2022 world cup and 2018 too!
No suprise here considering how many arabs bought stolen Serbian kidneys from albanians.
They have to stick with the ones with goods.
(lids, 5 January 2011 16:05)
Arabs do not use body Slavs that you use pork
Who cares? Seriously, why do Albanians in Kosovo care? Does this actually make any difference to your jobs, your lives and your family's lives, or do you guys actually care more about politics then your own lives?
(Ari Gold, 5 January 2011)
Since you're wondering I believe everyday lives and poltiics are intertwined. On a very simple pragmatic level Kosova passports will now be recognized so Albanian businessmen and torusist have one country less to worry about.
Now my question to you Mr. Gold is why do YOU care? From your previous comments I've read here you couldn't care less about Albanians so why this "caring" all of a sudden?
Lastly I like to remind all the Serbs here that every single country that recognizes Kosova's independece the day before was against the Independence and in Serbia's camp according to your logic so don't throw your friends under the bus so soon.
Recognitions or not, Kosovo will never be part of Serbia again.
The Serbs seem to find some consolation in the fact that recognitions have been slow to come and that Russia and China will not recognize Kosovo unless they get something in return from the Americans.
I hope that Thaci is found guilty of organs traffic.
*SERBIA*
Nominal GDP: $43.662 billion
GDP per capita: $5,898 (excluding Kosovo)
Among Qatar's latest business ventures in Southeast Europe is the new TV channel Al Jazeera Balkans (balkans.aljazeera.net), which begins broadcasting this week.
(Jovan R., 5 January 2011 14:31)
Next time you publish something, use recent date(s) . GDP per capita in Serbia is above 10,000 from both the IMF and CIA sources in 2009.
If you like comparing apples to oranges, throw in Albania's and Kosovo GDP Per capital which are far lower than Serbia's.
If you were foreign I would trust you a bit more, but since you are a Serb, I kindly ask you...
DO YOU HAVE A PROOF THAT SERBIA DID NOT PAY DICK MARTY???
If you have, please let me know, because you always speak stupid things without being able to justify them...
(PRN, 5 January 2011 13:59)
Your back, I see. This Dick Marty business must be hurting you guys badly.
Where is your proof that Serbs killed thousands of Albanians and don’t’ quote US or EU sources. COME ON WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?????????
You had the chance to work with Rugova for 17 years 1990-2007,and you choose to ignore or humiliate him,every chanse you had fisrt Milosevic and latter Kustunica.K-Alb elected Rugova till his death,and what did serbs?Nothing!Just kill his associase Agani,humiliate Rugova's family and ignore the elephant in the middle of the room.
Now that Rugova is dead you suddenly want him back in power?
(Mirel from Albania, 6 January 2011 15:41)
Milosevic saved Rugova's life along with his family from the KLA putting him under protective custody;
Rugova did not come back to Kosovo for a long period of time fearing for his life; he didnt' even stay in Albania during his exile.
Agani was killed by the KLA;
Continue to support the KLA bandits and terrorists like Thaci and more Albanian blood is going to be spilled.
Why does it matter?
One reason is that Qatar is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and a major investor. For comparison purposes, note that Qatar, with a population of less than 2 million people, has almost twice the Gross Domestic Product of Serbia:
*QATAR*
Nominal GDP: $83.910 billion
GDP per capita: $68,871
*SERBIA*
Nominal GDP: $43.662 billion
GDP per capita: $5,898 (excluding Kosovo)
Among Qatar's latest business ventures in Southeast Europe is the new TV channel Al Jazeera Balkans (balkans.aljazeera.net), which begins broadcasting this week.
am haaretz? -- Judeo-lobotomy?... i never realized how many experts on judaism inhabited these not-so--hallowed grounds :) just a little bit bizarre, not to mention ignorant. and nasty... mean-spirited.
(roberto, 5 January 2011 21:52)
I don't see "Judeo-lobotomy" mentioned by anyone except you. The topic was "robot lobotomy".
I know your style and I am familiar with certain behavior patterns. As much as you ignore it for the sake of cheap argument: you just can't attach even an indirect "anti-Semite" moniker on me (or on Luciano or on Ari Gold or on Avi) - without penalty being believed by the rest to be insane. You do regardless (see your words above versus what was said).
Hence I stay firmly at my words regarding both lobotomy and autism.
And you want us to believe, you know Albin Kurti, Sonja Biserko, Sonja Licht, Ewa Klonowska(?), Nataša Kandić in person? Windbag.
Than I know Vladimir Putin and Dalai Lama in person and I dine with Obama every Sunday, just FYI.
Kosova will be playing in the UEFA qualifications for the 2022 WC in Qatar.
Mark my words.
And if Serbia doesn't qaulify, although they probably will since they have tremendous qaulity, you Serbs can cheer for Kosova if we qualify. Kosova and Serbia in the same group would be the cherry on top ;)
If you were foreign I would trust you a bit more, but since you are a Serb, I kindly ask you...
DO YOU HAVE A PROOF THAT SERBIA DID NOT PAY DICK MARTY???
If you have, please let me know, because you always speak stupid things without being able to justify them...
(PRN, 5 January 2011 13:59)
Woundering why you always have to writte in capital letters, are you worried that one could skip your..... comments.
As to your question about Mr Marty, as his account manager I can confirm that he has a fat account in Switzerland and his bribes are coming from the COE every month, ooops sorry, if I remember well he is working for that organization, so maybe it is only his salary... hummmm
I care for the welfare of Kosovar Albanians as much as I do for Kosovar Serbs, and Serbs in Kosovo, and Bosniaks, and Albanians in Albania... in fact, I believe everyone should be equal. I'm not gonna say that I know "hundreds" of Kosovar Albanians, but a few went to my high school and they were just as nice and friendly as the Serbs who went there... and even they both got along.
I realise that politics is important, and it obviously dictates the way in which people live. But people in the Balkans let nationalist politics get in the way of the progression of their own economies, their lives and the way in which they get along with other people. It's the same problem in Serbia, as well; I mean, I'm not going to suggest that every Serb on the planet has a paranoia of Croats and Albanians. So, all the people in the former Yugoslavia should simply be segregated, and prevented from interacting with one another? In the end, politics is politics, but people's interest in it has basically made everyone suspicious of one another, simply 'cause of their ethnicity. That's how you end up with pointless ethnic squabbles from some nationalists from the Balkans in diaporic countries.
Yes, my family were Serbian Jews, so of course I'm going to be inherently biased towards Serbia in issues related to Kosovo and politics in general, but, I'm not a racist. I don't place the life and rights of a Kosovar Albanian below that of a Serb, no way. My main quarrels I have with Kosovo has to do entirely with Hashim Thaci and the criminal-KLA, NOT the people of Kosovo. Hell, I still think that had Ibrahim Rugova controlled everything, things would've been much, MUCH better for both sides...
The main reason I brought up the question as to why this is so important is because, well, it's political. Does this actually make any positive difference in Kosovar's lives? Anyone can tell that Kosovar authorities have sovereignty over pretty much every single Albanian-populated area in Kosovo, and the Kosovar Albanians understand and realise that... but shouldn't you guys be embracing it and actually using it to be HAPPIER instead of worrying about whether some Arab oil giant succumbed to US pressure and recognised your country? That's all I'm asking, really... your own destiny and your own recognition of control and sovereignty is far more important than the recognition of others.
(icj1, 6 January 2011 04:50)
You can think independence as much as you like, but no EU and no UN recognition. Yes China and Russia only have to veto in the Security Council and Kosovo is not in the UN. Ask the Palestinians.
Kosova will be playing in the UEFA qualifications for the 2022 WC in Qatar.
Mark my words.
And if Serbia doesn't qaulify, although they probably will since they have tremendous qaulity, you Serbs can cheer for Kosova if we qualify. Kosova and Serbia in the same group would be the cherry on top ;)
(Zoti, 5 January 2011 18:48)
I mark your words. Is this a new phraseology you Albanians have adopted “mark my words”?
Who is going to pay for this fantastic football team? Are you going to sell more goats on the “stock” exchange? Dream on boys just keep on dreaming – 2011 nothing changes for Kosovo; status quo.
"My passion comes from working and living in Kosovo for 3 years, I consider it an investment of my life and I want the best for the people in Kosovo nothing more nothing less."
(pss, 5 January 2011 21:58)
If you want the best for the people of Kosovo, then better don't accuse Marty, and don't defend Thaci and his criminal and corrupt companions. The people in Kosovo would do better with honorable leaders, ministers and presidents, and not some people whose only merits and qualification seems to be having been a former KLA figher.
b92
What is so offensive if you post the address of Kosova embassy in Washington?
I suggest to Ron, to google and find the address where Kosova Embassy is located in Washington, DC. Or, he also can google and find the American Embassy located in Prishtina.
am haaretz? -- Judeo-lobotomy?... i never realized how many experts on judaism inhabited these not-so--hallowed grounds :) just a little bit bizarre, not to mention ignorant. and nasty... mean-spirited.
anyway, on these days, i always promise to keep it upbeat and optimistic. we are at #73? despite all of the darkest, gloomiest forcasts and threats, they will bury us, bla bla bla. and yet we are forging ahead, no recognitions taken away, just added.
i won't say this has not been a difficult time -- terrible accusations, needs for investigations... allegations across the board. and where exactly does the truth lie? we shall see as time goes on.
we shall persevere, we shall not be moved off-track, thank you very much.
as always, i wish to congratulate all of my kosovar colleagues, and all of our frnds and allies around the world. i couldn't care less of †heir ethnicity, religion or lack thereof.
"Who cares? Seriously, why do Albanians in Kosovo care? Does this actually make any difference to your jobs, your lives and your family's lives, or do you guys actually care more about politics then your own lives?
(Ari Gold, 5 January 2011) "
Who cares? It's the most-read story on the Serbian page - 115 comments at this point (followed by "The Communist future of Serbia"), with 97 having been posted yesterday alone. (The translator must be on vacation.) For the meaningless gesture Serbs claim every recognition to be, this seems like a lot of concern.
As for who's going to pay for this team don't worry about it, there are plenty of Kosovar Albanians playing in the European top leagues. Who's paying for your team? Surely it's not you it's the likes of Manchester United (Vidic) and Chelsea (Ivanovic) to bring two examples.
As for our dreams what can you do? We are a dreamy people but unlike you Serbs most of our dreams (your nightmares) come true.
(Zoti, 6 January 2011 15:52)
How far has Kosovo’s moved since 1999? Not a millimeter – so why are we going to worry as we will keep you in that situations for ever boys. I think you have your dreams and nightmares mixed up. More pain on the way in 2011.
"Next time you publish something, use recent date(s) . GDP per capita in Serbia is above 10,000 from both the IMF and CIA sources in 2009.
If you like comparing apples to oranges, throw in Albania's and Kosovo GDP Per capital which are far lower than Serbia's.
(Jugoslavija, 5 January 2011 21:06)
It depends what you compare: The nominal or purchasing power parity(PPP) GDP per capita, that's where the different numbers are coming from. But you are right: For Kosovo and Albania the numbers are much lower.
Seriously people, how many times have you said that "Kosova will not get anymore recognitions?" Let me check, it was at the 5th recognition, at the 10th recognition, at the 20th recognition, at the 25th recognition, at the 50th recognition, at the 60th recognition so on and so forth. I might not be the most clever man around, but I can definitly see a pattern. Sometimes I just feel the need to point out the obvious. I hope I dont have to spoon feed you the conclusion of where this pattern of recognitions is going....
Unless Russia and China Recognize Independent Kosovo but I dont see that it will happen.
So No China, No Russia=
No UN
(Stevie, 5 January 2011 22:16)
Sure, but that does not mean that Kosovo is not independent. China and Russia's recognition is needed to join the UN; but UN non-membership does not mean that something is not independent.
and NO EU as simple as that.
(Stevie, 5 January 2011 22:16)
Sorry, I'm not aware of any provision in the EU treaties requiring an entity to be a UN member or be recognized by Russia or China to join the EU. Apologies for my ignorance, but it would be great if you could illuminate us where such provision is since it's very simple, as that !
Very Nice, so much for Russian influence after Qatar got the world cup, they did the right thing and recognized an independent Kosova, a real slap in Russia's face!!!
Qatar recognizes Kosovo as independent.
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Thank you so much Qatar, my next Holiday is in Qatar.
Qatar bought Man City, Harrods.
I hope Qatar by Kosova.
But proof rests on proving that something did happen, not that it did not. It is up to you to prove that Marty did receive payment as you claim, which to any logical person is an absurd accusation. As I said previously, he is not the only person to have raised this issue. There have been, and will be, many others.
(kate, 5 January 2011 15:42)
Excellent comment, I do not buy into Serbia paid money to Marty, I do not know his reasoning for his report, as his mandate was to investigate and see if there is proof of del Pontes allegations, he brought no proof but only made the same and some new allegations without the proof.
Now I refer you to why I said excellent post. "Proof rests on proving something did happen, not that it did not"
Anyone can say anything but that is not proof, all the world is asking is "Where is the proof" Which so far is at zilch.
As far as being "foreign" I have often wondered why you have a total Love for the Serbian prospective and total bias against the Albanian.
Everyone has a reason for their position especially if it is as outspoken and totally one direction as yours.
I too am foreign and am not Serbian, nor Albanian, by blood or marriage. My passion comes from working and living in Kosovo for 3 years, I consider it an investment of my life and I want the best for the people in Kosovo nothing more nothing less.
If you want the best for the people of Kosovo, then better don't accuse Marty, and don't defend Thaci and his criminal and corrupt companions. The people in Kosovo would do better with honorable leaders, ministers and presidents, and not some people whose only merits and qualification seems to be having been a former KLA figher.
(Top, 6 January 2011 13:33)
I have said before that I do not believe Thaci is the person to lead Kosovo to a better future. I also have said I do not believe in organ harvesting but mainly based on I do not believe that large a scale operation could have existed in either war torn Kosovo or Albania in 1999. Could 2-3 persons have been kidnapped in the area and their organs sent elsewhere, possible. Throw in 300 others, impossible.
And I agree the leadership needs to come from non KLA leaders, but in history who are the initial leaders of any new govt established by revolutionary means. The 1st US President was General George Washington commander of the Continental Army and labeled a war criminal by the British govt.
Initial support is given to those names which you attribute success of securing your freedom. No country sets up their initial govt with a list of no names.
I critcize Marty because he was given a task, investigate whether the organ harvesting occured, he came back with unsubstantiated allegations and said someone should investigate this.???
The future of Kosovo has 2 options, as a permanent international protectorate(which is unsustainable without a united international approach), or independent country. Can this be achieved in 3 years absolutely not, 10 years possibly, 20 years probably.
Serbia has neither the desire, nor the resources to make Kosovo a viable entity of Serbia. Most of the hardcore posters here envision a Kosovo free of Albanians or with a complacent subserviant Albanian population. Never have I heard any proSerb, yourself included, advocate some type of movement to include the Albanian population into Serbia with guaranteed minority rights and protections similar to the A Plan for Serbs in Kosovo. It is more they can live here as long as they know and respect their position in "Serbian society" If Serbia wants to maintain an ethnically pure society, they have to cut off that part that is no longer Serbian, there is no cleansing it.
Fascism is indeed a nightmare - but with very sober awakening.
(Je¿ faszystski, 6 January 2011)
Thanks but I'm a staunch atheist and I don't pay much attention to what old men with long beards and funny clothes and ridiculous hats have to say. If I saw him roaming the streets of NYC I'd think he's some homeless guy who's gone mad.
How far has Kosovo’s moved since 1999? Not a millimeter – so why are we going to worry as we will keep you in that situations for ever boys. I think you have your dreams and nightmares mixed up. More pain on the way in 2011.
(sj, 6 January 2011)
As for how far we've moved since 1999, how about declaring independence for starters and getting rid of your kind forever. That's pretty big in my book.
You can think independence as much as you like, but no EU and no UN recognition.
(sj, 6 January 2011 12:12)
I think you are a little bit confused. EU and UN are not in the business of recognition. That’s the business of individual states.
Yes China and Russia only have to veto in the Security Council and Kosovo is not in the UN. Ask the Palestinians.
(sj, 6 January 2011 12:12)
Yes, and then what ?! Even if we apply Serbia’s Constitution, Kosovo will not be in the UN, anyway !
2011 nothing changes for Kosovo; status quo.
(sj, 6 January 2011 12:12)
Well, as far as status goes, Albanians in Kosovo appear to be happy with the status quo compared to what Serbia’s Constitution offers. If Serbs are happy too, then it’s great. Everybody is happy and we have actually solved the Kosovo-Serbia issue.
How far has Kosovo’s moved since 1999? Not a millimeter – so why are we going to worry as we will keep you in that situations for ever boys. I think you have your dreams and nightmares mixed up. More pain on the way in 2011.
(sj, 6 January 2011 23:31)
Well, first of all, it has achieved the main goal; i.e. Serbia not being in charge (as Serbia itself recognizes when it says that UNMIK is in charge)…
Hell, I still think that had Ibrahim Rugova controlled everything, things would've been much, MUCH better for both sides...
...(Ari Gold, 6 January 2011 04:13)
You had the chance to work with Rugova for 17 years 1990-2007,and you choose to ignore or humiliate him,every chanse you had fisrt Milosevic and latter Kustunica.K-Alb elected Rugova till his death,and what did serbs?Nothing!Just kill his associase Agani,humiliate Rugova's family and ignore the elephant in the middle of the room.
Now that Rugova is dead you suddenly want him back in power?
I mark your words. Is this a new phraseology you Albanians have adopted “mark my words”?
Who is going to pay for this fantastic football team? Are you going to sell more goats on the “stock” exchange? Dream on boys just keep on dreaming – 2011 nothing changes for Kosovo; status quo.
(sj, 6 January 2011)
No "mark my words" is a common phraseology of the English language. And I am not elected to represent Albanians in any capacity on any fora, I was just expressing my opinion. There's no need to attribute my opinion to 6 milion Albanians.
As for who's going to pay for this team don't worry about it, there are plenty of Kosovar Albanians playing in the European top leagues. Who's paying for your team? Surely it's not you it's the likes of Manchester United (Vidic) and Chelsea (Ivanovic) to bring two examples.
As for our dreams what can you do? We are a dreamy people but unlike you Serbs most of our dreams (your nightmares) come true.
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